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Re: Wi-Fi without internet service.

Carolyn Arnold
 

Now, is tethering when you would get a Blue Tooth phone or
phone set?

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 3:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> wrote:
Indeed, T-Mobile doesn’t charge extra for tethering.

They do here. It's an extra 15 dollars for tethering.


Re: Wi-Fi without internet service.

Carolyn Arnold
 

If a person has a plan with unlimited, why would they use Hot Spot. I am trying to figure out what it is, and why someone would want it.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 3:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

You're off the rails again, my friend. Any modern cell phone is all that's needed for the casual Internet user to create their own Wi-Fi hotspot. Why one would want such a device as you describe is beyond my ability to comprehend.
On 8/17/2018 11:55 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

Okay, I did a little research, and it turns out that an ATT
stand-alone wifi hot spot would cost about $60 a month, which includes
$40 for a 6 gb data plan plus $20 for the hot spot device. This would
be instead of, or in addition to, the $55 they charge for stand-alone
Internet service. And you must make a minimum $240 commitment. So
this would not be a cheaper alternative to the ATT Internet service
plan that Janet is already paying for.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.


You misunderstood my message. I never said that a wifi hot spots
service was illegal. I was responding to another list member who
claimed that there was a way to get this service without paying extra
for it, which, indeed, may be illegal. If AT&T offers this service, it
would cost extra beyond what they charge for basicInternet service.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:14 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Hi Gene et al,

Sorry, I didn't check the little box. I was objecting to Gerald's
assertion that if you had a hot spot it was illegal. It isn't.
Verizon sells them and they connect to the internet through a Verizon
portal so that one can connect anywhere.

Ann P.


Re: Wi-Fi without internet service.

Carolyn Arnold
 

What is Hot Spot? How would you get it, should you want or
need it?

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 7:26 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Janet,

Why not just ditch AT&T totally and use your phone as a
Wi-Fi hotspot. If you're not a big Internet junkie, which
unfortunately I have been for nearly thirty-five years, and
you have a good data plan with your phone, then this could
be the ideal solution for you.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 4:23 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
<mailto:%27main@TechTalk.groups.io%27>
<main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
Subject: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Hi Everyone,
Does anyone know if there is a way to have Wi-Fi
service at
home without ATT internet service? I just received
another
raise from ATT in which is $55 instead of $42, and
they say
they have no promotions going on, and might not for
a while
either. I don't like paying $55 just to search
online. I
can use my phone to do this. Matter of fact, I just
use my
cellular service on my phone.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thank you all.
Janet


Re: Wi-Fi without internet service.

Carolyn Arnold
 

That is what my husband I think.

We have a company called Windstream. It is in maybe eight
states. It serves smaller and medium-sized cities, probably
rural areas. I don't know how long they will be for this
world, since residential landlines have decreased so much.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 10:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Carolyn,
I've heard of people buying their own router so they don't
have to pay a monthly fee, but like you said, ATT could
blame any internet problems on the router, and there for,
they might charge you for that too. They have their ways of
getting customers to pay regardless!
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

We had to get a router to have Wi-Fi. We are leasing it, oh
yes, and that is in that $67.49 bill. Well, anyway, the
reason we leased it is because we thought it was worth it,
since if anything went wrong, they could so easily blame
whatever the problem might be on the router box, which would
not be their equipment.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Gene,

The question is could I have Wi-Fi without internet or ATT.
The bottom line, ATT is ripping me off, as I'm sure they
have done it to others for many years! One might think with
all this new technology, Wi-Fi just might be available. I'm
also wondering about Hotspot on my phone, as I might be able
to turn Hotspot in to a Wi-Fi, but I don't know if I would
need Wi-Fi service connected with an internet service. I'm
not completely sure yet.

Janet

Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:31 PM
To: Gene; main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.



To clarify, the original question was based on a
misunderstanding of what Wi-Fi is. The question is really
about wired Internet service.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:28 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.



The question is about wired Internet Service. I don't know
anything about MVNOs and I don't know if money might be
saved when using a wireless device if one is used but that
is a different question from what was raised.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<mailto:ukekearuaro@valtdnet.com>

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:17 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.



Sis Janet, have you considered taking a look at an MVNO?
Or, is there something special you're getting fromAT&T?

I still use H2O WirelessNow, get 8GB data monthly, and pay
$36 with autopay.
I can access the Internet and whatever else floats my boat
on my Shiny Android toys. Oh, I also get $20 extra free
cash for international calls!
No, this doesn't give me enough talk time to certain
countries; however, when it runs out, Google Duo does the
trick for me. I don't have cable, not too much into tv and,
if that ever changes, I think I'll take a good look at
YouTube Tv which I'll be able to access on my Shiny Android
toys! So, for me, no need for a tv box! If I can do it all
on my toys that's my better preference until my tastes
change.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Wi-Fi without internet service.

Carolyn Arnold
 

Interesting.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of TerriLynne Pomeroy
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

CenturyLink was once part of A T&T, then became Mountain Bell, then maybe something else, then Qwest, and now is CenturyLink. Because of their beginnings, they have a lot of landline service. They also bundle DirecTV. And they do internet.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

What is Century Link. I think that is what my son said they have. They have only cell phones and Net Flicks.

Their emails are Rocketmail and stuff like that.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

I'm in a good-sized town, but I'm not in a great location for getting over the air signals, due to trees and hills. But I can get what I want via a streaming service, or even 2 of them, for less than what AT&T is now charging after they raised the roof on my supposed 2-year pricing deal. We have to pay ridiculous charges for internet too, since, unlike the lucky folks back East, there is no competition for monopoly Comcast internet out here. It is amazing how their prices go down when they face real competition, but that's another thread.




Mary



On 8/16/2018 5:38 PM, Dave Mitchel wrote:


I’m way out in the sticks and absolutely no antenna will do anything out here. otherwise I would get unwire in a heartbeat.

From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 4:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

We got DIRECTV about a year and a half ago on a really good deal. Unfortunately, the really good deal has turned into a mess. I can’t wait to get out. Goodbye AT&T and satellite TV. We have had dish. Not so great. I guess it’s better now than it used to be. But I am going to be a cord cutter.



On Aug 16, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Dave Mitchel <dbmitchel@centurylink.net> wrote:



TerriLynn,
I just switche from Direct tv/ATT because of the rise in costs. I got frustrated with them and their total lack of consideration and the inability of customer servvice to get me to the right place. I have dish coming tomorrow for hook up. Direct was supposed to have set me up on a lower cost last week and all they did was mess up my internet and left without ever showing me how to get the cable to talk. I hope you have better luck with them than I did. I told them the main reason I was leaving them is I was tired of calling for service anjd no one understanding english enough to get me to the correct system.
Dave

From: TerriLynne Pomeroy
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 3:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.


I use DirecTV. Their prices have gone up and up since A T & T bought them out. Through a few frustrated phone calls, I was put in touch with a “loyalty” department, and they dropped my bill nearly in half. But I am guessing that that was a loyalty to DirecTV program and not an A T & T program.



TerriLynne





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 4:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.



Gerald,

ATT is telling me the cheapest service they have is $55 a month. I can’t imagine this. I just hung up the phone from calling them once again asking for another promotion, and they keep insisting if I use their cell or TV service, they can then offer me a better deal. I only have until the fourth of Sept to decide, and if not, they will charge me another $55. Damn it sounds like they are penalizing me for not using their TV or cell service! It stinks!

ATT just offered me if I switch to use their cell service, they would give me a SE iPhone completely free, and if I didn’t want that, they would give me an iPhone 8 as well as another iPhone 8 completely free, and if I wanted an iPhone 10, they would give me another iPhone 10 completely free. I keep telling them I am happy with my current phone carrier, so then is when they tell me they have no cheaper internet service for me! I definitely would like to get away from ATT though.

Janet

to use

Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 4:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.





Some ISP’s will no longer allow residential customers to downgrade to slo Internet DSL service if faster and more expensive fiber optic service is available where they live.



Gerald







From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 5:17 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.



Wi-Fi is a way to communicate over short distances between a router and a device such as a computer. It is a means of radio communication to allow you to do things without being physically connected to the modem or router by a cable. that's all it is. You can have an Internet connection without Wi-Fi. You could have a Wi-Fi connection without Internet service but it would be useless. Your computer would be connected to the router and the router would not be connected to the Internet. It would be like being connected with a cable to your router and your router not being connected to the Internet.



You must have an Internet service provider. If you don't want much in the way of Internet Service, find out what the very slowest plan is that AT&T offers. I don't know if it is still available, but my parents had a very slow DSL service for years that they paid something like 14 dollars a month for. If you do nothing but e-mail and look at web pages, that plan may be adequate. I don't know if the plan is fast enough to allow streaming of audio but you indicate you just want to do Internet searches, which implies that you just want to look at web pages and use e-mail.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 3:31 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.



I you have unlimited data on your cell, Janet, that will
work, but if you have limited data like we do, well, I guess
we pay one way or another.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 4:23 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Hi Everyone,
Does anyone know if there is a way to have Wi-Fi service at
home without ATT internet service? I just received another
raise from ATT in which is $55 instead of $42, and they say
they have no promotions going on, and might not for a while
either. I don't like paying $55 just to search online. I
can use my phone to do this. Matter of fact, I just use my
cellular service on my phone.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thank you all.
Janet


Re: FW: Has AT&T ever done this to you?

Carolyn Arnold
 

We just get phone and Internet for $67.49; we pay $88.71 for two cable boxes, and I believe it is second tier - can get History and ESPN.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of janet gross
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FW: Has AT&T ever done this to you?

HI Carolyn,
Wow, you can get cable, phone, internet, for $67 a month? If so, that is a good deal, providing those services are what you want. I just want the internet service for the Wi-Fi, and AT wants to charge me $55 a month. Not good!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FW: Has AT&T ever done this to you?

We have a similar issue - cable, Internet, and they throw in phone bundle price; Internet and phone with Windstream, $67.29, I think most reasonable. Then we have cable with Spectrum for 8871. There is no feasible way for us to have Dish, which could be bundled with our phone and make the over bottom line less. With the phone, we get all the features and unlimited U>S. long distance. I check from time to time. Jim doesn't want to give up Windstream, because he doesn't want to change his email address.

I'd switch everything to Gmail, if I thought Outlook's message rules would apply, but I am not sure that they would.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FW: Has AT&T ever done this to you?

But this is about an unfair raise after a promotional period. You are complaining that you can only save money if you bundle. That is standard practice and, unless you are being told that your rate will go up and being urged to bundle to save money, this isn't anyone trying to force you to do anything. Bundling and providing lower prices for the combined services than for any one service alone is an industry wide practice. I don't recall you saying you are going to have a price rise. You say you want to save money and have been told that the only way to do so is bundling.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: janet gross <mailto:janet.harvard@outlook.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:11 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <mailto:'main@TechTalk.groups.io'>
Subject: [TechTalk] FW: Has AT&T ever done this to you?



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Re: Groups.io will be down tonight about two hours for maintenance

Gene
 

I made a mistake about when the list would be down.  It will be from 12 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time until about 2 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 4:19 PM
Subject: Groups.io will be down tonight about two hours for maintenance

We were informed on another list by a reliable member that Groups.io will be down tonight for about two hours for maintenance.  The lists will be down starting at two a.m Saturday morning eastern daylight time.  You can still answer messages.  They will be held in a cue and will be sent out when service resumes.
 
Gene


Re: Groups.io will be down tonight about two hours for maintenance

John Dennett
 

Thanks for the info.
John D


On Aug 17, 2018, at 4:19 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

We were informed on another list by a reliable member that Groups.io will be down tonight for about two hours for maintenance.  The lists will be down starting at two a.m Saturday morning eastern daylight time.  You can still answer messages.  They will be held in a cue and will be sent out when service resumes.
 
Gene


Groups.io will be down tonight about two hours for maintenance

Gene
 

We were informed on another list by a reliable member that Groups.io will be down tonight for about two hours for maintenance.  The lists will be down starting at two a.m Saturday morning eastern daylight time.  You can still answer messages.  They will be held in a cue and will be sent out when service resumes.
 
Gene


Re: new scam, beware

Sandra Streeter
 

Sure! I get a lot of that--even got several calls from NFB thinking I was her--they should have known better, ha, ha! I am an NFBer, and I guess she is, as well, but maybe the contact just hadn't met up with her anywhere and got confused...



Sandra

"Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced."
(James Baldwin)

-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn White
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 12:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] new scam, beware

Oh, it sure does. She goes by Sandy and Sandra. Thanks for clearing
this up (grin).


On 8/17/2018 11:07 AM, Sandra Streeter wrote:
For Lynn:
By way of clarification, since it looks like someone was possibly offended that I mentioned practicing my albeit-rusty French: First, I never said I was fluent; I took 5 years in high school (enough to get through the French version of "The Littler Prince" and some articles about French culture; and, because I've had extremely-limited practice in the ensuing 37 years, I am a better understander than speaker). I still love the language and try to speak or read whenever I can, though. There is a Sandy Streeter who was married to a blind Larry Streeter, who I've never met in my travels, and most people know her, and not me. I am a Streeter by birth, she by marriage. We live states apart, me in CT, her elsewhere. I'm guessing you know her or someone else of this name. Also, I decidedly don't go for Sandy--I am definitely a Sandra, decided as a young adult... Hope this helps sort things out.




Sandra

"Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced."
(James Baldwin)
-----Original Message----- From: Sandra Streeter
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] new scam, beware

Which do you know? There are several of us.





Sandra

"Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed
until it is faced."
(James Baldwin)
-----Original Message----- From: Lynn White
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] new scam, beware

Hold u. If this is the Sandra Streeter I know, she does not speak French.


On 8/16/2018 4:03 PM, Sandra Streeter wrote:
Bless you--an opportunity to practice my extremely-rusty (if much-loved) French! "The more things change, the more they stay the same," for non-French speakers.



Sandra

"Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced."
(James Baldwin)
-----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 3:01 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] new scam, beware

Hi all,

<smiling> Yes, I recognized the tune but not the words. "Plus sa
change, plus c'est le meme chose."

Ann P.

Original message:
That's an oldie--just same song, different verse. I automatically delete
them if, in the subject line, they sound suspicious.




Sandra
"Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed
until it is faced."
(James Baldwin)
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] new scam, beware
Yes, it looks like it's coming through the blind buy and sell address.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann
Parsons
Sent: August 16, 2018 9:59 AM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] new scam, beware
Morning all,
I just got a new scam! Life is so fun! This one starts out with a sad sob
storry about somebody who is broke, and her sister has to have a gall
bladder operation, and the money has to be paid to the doctor immediately.
Of course this is complete and utter rot. The hospital would bill the
patient and he or she would have thirty days to pay or make arrangements for
payment. Believe me, as one who is now confronted by paperwork from my own
local hospital, I know how this works.
So, if you get this scam, delete it. It's just one of the ever-changing,
ever-growing scams on the net. It was signed by somebody I don't even know.
Ann P.
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FTP Server

Charles Small <caylin813@...>
 

I'm interested in beginning an FTP server.
Getting it set up wasn't too difficult.
However, the problem I'm having is trying to ascertain how to set
up aliases and how to set up a home directory.
If anyone could simplify this for me, or make it a bit more easy, I
truly would appreciate it.
Thanks in advance.

Chuck


Re: Wi-Fi without internet service.

Gene
 

For those curious or interested, this page discusses T Mobile tethering plans.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

but, Janet, using Magic Jack for phone calls, looking at web pages, looking at e-mail and is there any other way the Internet is used by you, do you have enough data allowance?  Is it unlimited or capped at a certain point?  You may have all the data you need but that is a consideration.  Also, does it matter if you can't answer or make calls from the phonecalls while the phone is tethered?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Indeed, T-Mobile doesn’t charge extra for tethering.  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of janet gross
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 12:38 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

 

Hi Chris,

That is exactly what I thought about the Hotspot setting it up on my phone.  Hotspot is included with my data plan. 

Janet

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris G
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

 

You can even use your cell phone or iPad with a data plan as a hot spot for another device such as a laptop or Chromebook.

 

Check your cell phone plan to see if there are restrictions.

 

I had to use it once from my iPad and it was pretty nice.

 


From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2018 11:29 AM EDT
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.


You misunderstood my message.  I never said that a wifi hot spots service was illegal.  I was responding to another list member who claimed that there was a way to get this service without paying extra for it, which, indeed, may be illegal. If AT&T offers this service, it would cost extra beyond what they charge for basicInternet service.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:14 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Hi Gene et al,

Sorry, I didn't check the little box.  I was objecting to Gerald's
assertion that if you had a hot spot it was illegal.  It isn't.
Verizon sells them and they connect to the internet through a Verizon
portal so that one can connect anywhere.

Ann P.


Re: Wi-Fi without internet service.

Gene
 

I don't know how old the article is.  it may be old enough that when it was written, restrictions were being imposed in general.  Evidently, many companies don't impose them or don't with certain plans now. 
 
Since you cted the article, I didn't know if your citation meant that information in the article is currently applicable.  Evidently, some of it isn't. 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Yes I did read the whole article, and I have not yet heard of any such restrictions either in advertising or from users of the three major cellular phone providers in my area--Verizon, AT&T, and  SPRINT.


On 8/17/2018 3:42 PM, Gene wrote:
Did you read the entire article?  You are vastly oversimplifying the matter. 
 
Some quotes from the article:
Quote:
Also, keep in mind that the speed you get on a tethered device may not be as fast as you might expect even on the cell phone itself because the information has to take that extra step over the air or through the wire (USB connections will generally be faster than Bluetooth). With 3G service on your handset, upload and download speeds will typically be less than 1 Mbps. If you're in an area not covered by mobile broadband, you'll likely get speeds only a few times faster than dial-up.
end quote.
So what does that mean for the speed if you are using 4G?  Evidently, this article was written before that.  Slow speeds should be fine for Janet, but for others they likely wouldn't be very satisfactory except in circumstances where they don't have other options.
Quote:
Depending on your particular phone and connection method, you also may not be able to use your voice service on the cell phone (such as getting calls) while it is tethered.
End quote.
Quote:
The biggest obstacle, though, is just being able to tether your cell phone to your laptop at all. Each wireless carrier has a different set of rules and service plans for allowing tethering, and each cell phone device may have its own limitations. How to tether your cell phone will largely depend on your cell phone service provider and your cell phone model. The major wireless carriers in the US are now charging extra monthly fees just to tether your phone or use a phone as a Wi-Fi hotspot for more than one device to go online.
End Quote.
 
This isn't the simple nothing to consider just do it method you imply.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

What on earth? How the heck is anyone going to figure out that the
connection from your phone is not the phone itself? And why would they
even care? Tethering is nothing but good.
https://www.lifewire.com/what-is-tethering-2377921


On 8/17/2018 8:05 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>
> And if you get caught doing this, you can bet that the FCC police will
> prosecute vigorously, and you could even face serious jail time.  FCC
> head Ajit Pai has no tolerance for consumers who try to screw or
> circumvent the telecom giants. Don't think about trying it.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Rob Hudson
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 7:27 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.
>
> Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:
>> Why not just ditch AT&T totally and use your phone as a Wi-Fi hotspot.
>> If you're not a big Internet junkie, which unfortunately I have been for
>> nearly thirty-five years, and you have a good data plan with your phone,
>> then this could be the ideal solution for you.
>
> Hotspot data and mobile data are different charges, however. You get
> charged separately for using your phone for tethering. There is a way
> to fool the company into thinking you are using mobile data rather
> than hotspot, but it's probably illegal and thus shouldn't be
> discussed here.
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Wi-Fi without internet service.

Steve Matzura
 

Yes I did read the whole article, and I have not yet heard of any such restrictions either in advertising or from users of the three major cellular phone providers in my area--Verizon, AT&T, and  SPRINT.


On 8/17/2018 3:42 PM, Gene wrote:
Did you read the entire article?  You are vastly oversimplifying the matter. 
 
Some quotes from the article:
Quote:
Also, keep in mind that the speed you get on a tethered device may not be as fast as you might expect even on the cell phone itself because the information has to take that extra step over the air or through the wire (USB connections will generally be faster than Bluetooth). With 3G service on your handset, upload and download speeds will typically be less than 1 Mbps. If you're in an area not covered by mobile broadband, you'll likely get speeds only a few times faster than dial-up.
end quote.
So what does that mean for the speed if you are using 4G?  Evidently, this article was written before that.  Slow speeds should be fine for Janet, but for others they likely wouldn't be very satisfactory except in circumstances where they don't have other options.
Quote:
Depending on your particular phone and connection method, you also may not be able to use your voice service on the cell phone (such as getting calls) while it is tethered.
End quote.
Quote:
The biggest obstacle, though, is just being able to tether your cell phone to your laptop at all. Each wireless carrier has a different set of rules and service plans for allowing tethering, and each cell phone device may have its own limitations. How to tether your cell phone will largely depend on your cell phone service provider and your cell phone model. The major wireless carriers in the US are now charging extra monthly fees just to tether your phone or use a phone as a Wi-Fi hotspot for more than one device to go online.
End Quote.
 
This isn't the simple nothing to consider just do it method you imply.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

What on earth? How the heck is anyone going to figure out that the
connection from your phone is not the phone itself? And why would they
even care? Tethering is nothing but good.
https://www.lifewire.com/what-is-tethering-2377921


On 8/17/2018 8:05 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>
> And if you get caught doing this, you can bet that the FCC police will
> prosecute vigorously, and you could even face serious jail time.  FCC
> head Ajit Pai has no tolerance for consumers who try to screw or
> circumvent the telecom giants. Don't think about trying it.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Rob Hudson
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 7:27 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.
>
> Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:
>> Why not just ditch AT&T totally and use your phone as a Wi-Fi hotspot.
>> If you're not a big Internet junkie, which unfortunately I have been for
>> nearly thirty-five years, and you have a good data plan with your phone,
>> then this could be the ideal solution for you.
>
> Hotspot data and mobile data are different charges, however. You get
> charged separately for using your phone for tethering. There is a way
> to fool the company into thinking you are using mobile data rather
> than hotspot, but it's probably illegal and thus shouldn't be
> discussed here.
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Wi-Fi without internet service.

Gerald Levy
 

Great. Then what's the problem? If you already have hot spots included in your cell phone plan, then why do you even need ATT Internet service? You can just use your computer for word processing and power point presentations and the like. And you can call ATT and tell them what they can do with their $55 Internet plan.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: janet gross
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 3:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Hi Gerald,
May I suggest you do a little more research on Hotspot. Smile! I think you might be forgetting some phone carriers include this option with the data plan, as my phone carrier does. I will not have to pay any extra money, as I already have it on my phone, and I already pay for it.
So what I will now do is set it up on my phone. Thank you though for your interest. Smile!
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 10:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.


Okay, I did a little research, and it turns out that an ATT stand-alone wifi
hot spot would cost about $60 a month, which includes $40 for a 6 gb data
plan plus $20 for the hot spot device. This would be instead of, or in
addition to, the $55 they charge for stand-alone Internet service. And you
must make a minimum $240 commitment. So this would not be a cheaper
alternative to the ATT Internet service plan that Janet is already paying
for.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.


You misunderstood my message. I never said that a wifi hot spots service
was illegal. I was responding to another list member who claimed that there
was a way to get this service without paying extra for it, which, indeed,
may be illegal. If AT&T offers this service, it would cost extra beyond what
they charge for basicInternet service.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:14 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Hi Gene et al,

Sorry, I didn't check the little box. I was objecting to Gerald's
assertion that if you had a hot spot it was illegal. It isn't.
Verizon sells them and they connect to the internet through a Verizon
portal so that one can connect anywhere.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Wi-Fi without internet service.

Gene
 

but, Janet, using Magic Jack for phone calls, looking at web pages, looking at e-mail and is there any other way the Internet is used by you, do you have enough data allowance?  Is it unlimited or capped at a certain point?  You may have all the data you need but that is a consideration.  Also, does it matter if you can't answer or make calls from the phonecalls while the phone is tethered?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Indeed, T-Mobile doesn’t charge extra for tethering.  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of janet gross
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 12:38 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

 

Hi Chris,

That is exactly what I thought about the Hotspot setting it up on my phone.  Hotspot is included with my data plan. 

Janet

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris G
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

 

You can even use your cell phone or iPad with a data plan as a hot spot for another device such as a laptop or Chromebook.

 

Check your cell phone plan to see if there are restrictions.

 

I had to use it once from my iPad and it was pretty nice.

 


From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2018 11:29 AM EDT
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.


You misunderstood my message.  I never said that a wifi hot spots service was illegal.  I was responding to another list member who claimed that there was a way to get this service without paying extra for it, which, indeed, may be illegal. If AT&T offers this service, it would cost extra beyond what they charge for basicInternet service.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:14 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Hi Gene et al,

Sorry, I didn't check the little box.  I was objecting to Gerald's
assertion that if you had a hot spot it was illegal.  It isn't.
Verizon sells them and they connect to the internet through a Verizon
portal so that one can connect anywhere.

Ann P.


Re: Wi-Fi without internet service.

Cristóbal
 

Ok... T-Mobile doesn't charge me for tethering...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob
Hudson
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 12:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> wrote:
Indeed, T-Mobile doesn’t charge extra for tethering.

They do here. It's an extra 15 dollars for tethering.


Re: Wi-Fi without internet service.

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
 

Cristbal <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> wrote:
Indeed, T-Mobile doesnt charge extra for tethering.

They do here. It's an extra 15 dollars for tethering.


Re: Wi-Fi without internet service.

Cristóbal
 

Indeed, T-Mobile doesn’t charge extra for tethering.  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of janet gross
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 12:38 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

 

Hi Chris,

That is exactly what I thought about the Hotspot setting it up on my phone.  Hotspot is included with my data plan. 

Janet

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris G
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

 

You can even use your cell phone or iPad with a data plan as a hot spot for another device such as a laptop or Chromebook.

 

Check your cell phone plan to see if there are restrictions.

 

I had to use it once from my iPad and it was pretty nice.

 


From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2018 11:29 AM EDT
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.


You misunderstood my message.  I never said that a wifi hot spots service was illegal.  I was responding to another list member who claimed that there was a way to get this service without paying extra for it, which, indeed, may be illegal. If AT&T offers this service, it would cost extra beyond what they charge for basicInternet service.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:14 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Hi Gene et al,

Sorry, I didn't check the little box.  I was objecting to Gerald's
assertion that if you had a hot spot it was illegal.  It isn't.
Verizon sells them and they connect to the internet through a Verizon
portal so that one can connect anywhere.

Ann P.


Re: Wi-Fi without internet service.

Cristóbal
 

I know people like journalists or folks who tend to be in spotty or deadzones sometimes get these, but for the "average" user. Nah...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 12:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

You're off the rails again, my friend. Any modern cell phone is all that's needed for the casual Internet user to create their own Wi-Fi hotspot. Why one would want such a device as you describe is beyond my ability to comprehend.
On 8/17/2018 11:55 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

Okay, I did a little research, and it turns out that an ATT
stand-alone wifi hot spot would cost about $60 a month, which includes
$40 for a 6 gb data plan plus $20 for the hot spot device. This would
be instead of, or in addition to, the $55 they charge for stand-alone
Internet service. And you must make a minimum $240 commitment. So
this would not be a cheaper alternative to the ATT Internet service
plan that Janet is already paying for.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.


You misunderstood my message. I never said that a wifi hot spots
service was illegal. I was responding to another list member who
claimed that there was a way to get this service without paying extra
for it, which, indeed, may be illegal. If AT&T offers this service, it
would cost extra beyond what they charge for basicInternet service.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:14 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wi-Fi without internet service.

Hi Gene et al,

Sorry, I didn't check the little box. I was objecting to Gerald's
assertion that if you had a hot spot it was illegal. It isn't.
Verizon sells them and they connect to the internet through a Verizon
portal so that one can connect anywhere.

Ann P.

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