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Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Matt
Yes exactly so we can be on the same level as possible as our seeing
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partners . We will never be on the same level but we can strive to be. Matt.from.florida@...
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From: Ann Parsons [mailto:akp@...] Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 7:58 AM To: TechTalk@groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population Hi all, Pablo, what we are asking for is universal access for all appliances no matter what they are. A person who is blind should be able to turn on a voice chip for his stove or washer so that the touch screens are accessible. A person who is deaf should be able to have visual output for the same things, and one should not have to pay extra for such adaptations because they would be part of the design of the machine. Ann P. Original message: In my opinion, everybody, blind, sighted, without legs or with 4-- Ann K. Parsons Portal Tutoring EMAIL: akp@... web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info Skype: Putertutor "All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost."
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Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Matt
Yes that is the whole point is that it is only in the 1500 buck washer or dryer or ice box or 500 buck microwave. Why? It can easily be done . Just look at the Hamilton beach microwave that talked and then was taken over by someone else for a while then it disappeared. And these was under 100 bucks. I have two of them and knew they was going to stop producing them I would have bought several more to just have on hand.
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 7:32 AM To: TechTalk@groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population
The point is that more expensive specialized versions of such appliances talk. Considering the cost of a basic TTS chip these days, there is no reason that speech could not be included in more standard models of such appliances for a reasonable price. You yourself said it, no one wants to pay $300 for a talking microwave with fewer features. Well, if it were included in standard models, you wouldn't have to which is the whole point.
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Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Matt
Yes it is coming and cannot wait for it. this is what not only we want most of the seeing population wants it and especially people under 40 years old.
From: Dave Mitchel [mailto:dbmitchel@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:55 PM To: TechTalk@groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Janet, that is pretty much how I look at life and being blind. I can see where in the very near future we’ll be able to have Ciri or a machine like her set things for us. we’ll be able to talk to our thermostats, vacuum system, air conditioning of course the microwave and a few other appliances and tell them what we want. I’ll get up some morning and say: start the vacuum after I have left the house...and it will happen. I’m sure the technology is already here for that sort of thing, but cost wise I can’t afford it right now, and I probably will never be able to afford it. I do have a programmable vacuum cleaner which I have no idea how to program, and none of my friends here have looked hard enough to figure it out either, so I use my old standby do it myself vacuum. perhaps can talk to the State and have them by me one? lol! I would rather they focus on giving my eyesight back to me than creating machines to do my work. just my almost bed time opinion! lol
From: Janet Gross Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Hi everyone, I would like to charme in on this discussion, if I may? Just out of curiosity, Can someone tell me what would a talking vac cleaner say to a blind person in order to help them clean their floors? What would a talking microwave say to a blind person in order to help them cook? What would a talking oven or stove say to a blind person in order to help them to cook? What would a talking washer or dryer say to a blind person in order to help them to wash or dry their clothes? What would an airconditioner say in order to cool the house? If your talking about accessability, can’t we as blind people make them more accessable ourselves by adding our own markings? Am I missing the whole point?
Janet
Janet Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!
From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Yes they do indeed make vacs that do talk to you. Wake up this is the modern day tech world! See link below on some.
http://media.blubrry.com/assistivetech/www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/audio/mp95roomba630.mp3
http://media.blubrry.com/assistivetech/www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/audio/mp94lgroboking.mp3
From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@...]
But what do you call accessible. That a vacuum is going to talk to you like voice over? No Matt, it is not going to happen, never. I hope not. Why you want a vacuum talking to you? For what you need a hair dryer talking to you, for what you need a iron talking to you? I was sighted before, and I use today the iron in the same way than before, if my iron is going to talk, I really don’t see to do what, tell me the temperature? Tell me if is raining in Alaska? You don’t think that maybe it is going too far?
From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Yes this goes back to our appliances and this is nothing but a medical appliance. These things should be accessible right out of the box. Mainstream. It could be just a matter of flipping a switch on the unit or pushing a button or holding down a button like with the iPhone and telling Siri to turn on VO. But here again they are not going to do this till the government steps up and say all products must be accessible to us out of the box.
From: Keith S [mailto:ks.steinbach03@...]
insulin pumps would be more safe if they had an optional voice synthesizer so settings were not accidentlaly altered and insulin doses werenot accidentally increased or decreased. I can't count the number of times my endocrinologist asks me if I am using the built in bolus wizard and I reply that I cannot read the screens so I do not bother. They then look at my wife and ask, can't you help him use his pump properly? My wife's reply, "I work, we're not always together and he wants to be independant".
Keith
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Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Matt
Yes you are they would speak the buttons and what they did! Especially on flat screens, and much more . Also most flat screen does have directions on doing things and it would read this out. So yes use common sense and it is not hard to figure out how it would be of great help. Plus you are just thinking of laundry and cooking appliances! There is a whole lot more appliances then this . Your TV is a appliance your blood pressure device is a appliance your Georg Forman grill is an appliance and the list just goes on and and on. So yes you have missed the point!
From: Janet Gross [mailto:harvard-97@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:36 PM To: TechTalk@groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Hi everyone, I would like to charme in on this discussion, if I may? Just out of curiosity, Can someone tell me what would a talking vac cleaner say to a blind person in order to help them clean their floors? What would a talking microwave say to a blind person in order to help them cook? What would a talking oven or stove say to a blind person in order to help them to cook? What would a talking washer or dryer say to a blind person in order to help them to wash or dry their clothes? What would an airconditioner say in order to cool the house? If your talking about accessability, can’t we as blind people make them more accessable ourselves by adding our own markings? Am I missing the whole point?
Janet
Janet Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!
From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Yes they do indeed make vacs that do talk to you. Wake up this is the modern day tech world! See link below on some.
http://media.blubrry.com/assistivetech/www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/audio/mp95roomba630.mp3
http://media.blubrry.com/assistivetech/www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/audio/mp94lgroboking.mp3
From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@...]
But what do you call accessible. That a vacuum is going to talk to you like voice over? No Matt, it is not going to happen, never. I hope not. Why you want a vacuum talking to you? For what you need a hair dryer talking to you, for what you need a iron talking to you? I was sighted before, and I use today the iron in the same way than before, if my iron is going to talk, I really don’t see to do what, tell me the temperature? Tell me if is raining in Alaska? You don’t think that maybe it is going too far?
From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Yes this goes back to our appliances and this is nothing but a medical appliance. These things should be accessible right out of the box. Mainstream. It could be just a matter of flipping a switch on the unit or pushing a button or holding down a button like with the iPhone and telling Siri to turn on VO. But here again they are not going to do this till the government steps up and say all products must be accessible to us out of the box.
From: Keith S [mailto:ks.steinbach03@...]
insulin pumps would be more safe if they had an optional voice synthesizer so settings were not accidentlaly altered and insulin doses werenot accidentally increased or decreased. I can't count the number of times my endocrinologist asks me if I am using the built in bolus wizard and I reply that I cannot read the screens so I do not bother. They then look at my wife and ask, can't you help him use his pump properly? My wife's reply, "I work, we're not always together and he wants to be independant".
Keith
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Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Matt
Yes but here again it don’t look good and it is not the best solution. I know as blind people we most don’t care as long as it is usable. But our seeing partners does and they care how things look and if you had ever been a seeing person for any amount of time you would to. Don’t hank when a visual person come in your house even though they don’t say anything about it they are thinking it. all this stuff stuck all over things and all the future and such all push against the wall and so on so we don’t bump into them and so on the list goes. But the visual person really takes note of this and then weather they say it out loud or they don’t say it out loud they are thinking poor dam blind person and then they immediately start treating us different. If we could just get the small step done and make our Appliances accessible right out of the box this would be the start of leveling the playing field.
From: Janet Gross [mailto:harvard-97@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:59 PM To: TechTalk@groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Can’t someone put their own markings on a flat screen such as their options, or on a menu if someone was to tell them the options on the appliances? Janet
Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
I believe some are taking this suggestion of making products more accessible to extreme. Obviously it probably isn't necessary to have a talking vacuum cleaner or iron, but having appliances with screens and menus speak settings and selections would certainly be useful. As was already pointed out, even washing machines these days are not all the simple appliances that they once were.
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Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Ann Parsons <akp@...>
Hi all,
A talking vacuum cleaner, if it had a camer, might say, "You need to go over this spot again." A talking microwave tells you how many minutes and seconds you've set on the timer. A talking oven would tell you the exact temperature your oven is set to. Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons Portal Tutoring EMAIL: akp@... web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info Skype: Putertutor "All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost."
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Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Matt
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From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@...]
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:47 AM To: TechTalk@groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population
But they already talks!
From: enes sarıbaş [mailto:enes.saribas@...]
hi, On 2/29/2016 2:57 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:
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Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Matt
Yes and why should we not be as close as we can get to our counter seeing
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people. Matt.from.florida@...
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From: Rob [mailto:captinlogic@...] Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 1:07 AM To: TechTalk@groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote: And any musicians would understand the frustration of electronic instruments with complex menu structures. Or medical devices that require sighted assistance to use. And not all of us have sets of eyeballs we can call on whenever we need them. It's all well and good to say, well just get some sighted assistance. Some of us live alone with no support structure, so it isn't that easy.
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Re: Could Virtual Guide Dogs Replace the Real Thing? | Care2 Causes
#article
Matt
Well, don't know they are talking about a real chimp I think they was
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talking about a robot chimp. But don't know why you could not do a real chimp. They have little small service monkeys. Matt.from.florida@...
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From: Ann Parsons [mailto:akp@...] Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 7:45 AM To: TechTalk@groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Could Virtual Guide Dogs Replace the Real Thing? | Care2 Causes Hi all, LOL! a guide chimp? You gonna learn sign to communicate with him? How you gonna read his ASL? <smiling> Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons Portal Tutoring EMAIL: akp@... web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info Skype: Putertutor "All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost."
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Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Gene
You are defining good design with respect to blind
users. the engineers you are complaining about are doing their jobs in the
context of sighted users. I don't think it matters who is designing such
products. If sighted people didn't like flat surfaces, there would be more
such products.
I wouldn't assume that speech wouldn't be necessary
just because an appliance has raised buttons. What if those buttons
operate menus or a timer. From a sighted person's standpoint, I wouldn't
be surprised if touch screens or flat pannels where you apply a little pressure
on the item you want are aesthetically ore pleasing than buttons and they may be
more pleasant to work with tactically.
Gene
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From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to
the world population And you wouldn’t need speech output in the first place if the microwave
control panel had raised, tactile buttons instead of a flat membrane. A
consumer-friendly appliance doesn’t necessarily cost more to design and produce
than one that is poorly designed. The problem is that appliances nowadays
are mostly designed and manufactured in China whose industrial engineers have
little or no regard for good industrial design. Sadly, there are no
Raymond Loewy’s left.
Gerald
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to
the world population The point is that more expensive specialized
versions of such appliances talk. Considering the cost of a basic TTS chip
these days, there is no reason that speech could not be included in more
standard models of such appliances for a reasonable price. You yourself
said it, no one wants to pay $300 for a talking microwave with fewer
features. Well, if it were included in standard models, you wouldn't have
to which is the whole point.
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Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Ann Parsons <akp@...>
Hi all,
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Pablo, what we are asking for is universal access for all appliances no matter what they are. A person who is blind should be able to turn on a voice chip for his stove or washer so that the touch screens are accessible. A person who is deaf should be able to have visual output for the same things, and one should not have to pay extra for such adaptations because they would be part of the design of the machine. Ann P. Original message:
In my opinion, everybody, blind, sighted, without legs or with 4 legs, --
Ann K. Parsons Portal Tutoring EMAIL: akp@... web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info Skype: Putertutor "All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost."
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Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Gerald Levy
And you wouldn’t need speech output in the first place if the microwave
control panel had raised, tactile buttons instead of a flat membrane. A
consumer-friendly appliance doesn’t necessarily cost more to design and produce
than one that is poorly designed. The problem is that appliances nowadays
are mostly designed and manufactured in China whose industrial engineers have
little or no regard for good industrial design. Sadly, there are no
Raymond Loewy’s left.
Gerald
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to
the world population The point is that more expensive specialized
versions of such appliances talk. Considering the cost of a basic TTS chip
these days, there is no reason that speech could not be included in more
standard models of such appliances for a reasonable price. You yourself
said it, no one wants to pay $300 for a talking microwave with fewer
features. Well, if it were included in standard models, you wouldn't have
to which is the whole point.
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Re: Could Virtual Guide Dogs Replace the Real Thing? | Care2 Causes
#article
Ann Parsons <akp@...>
Hi all, LOL! a guide chimp? You gonna learn sign to communicate with him? How you gonna read his ASL? <smiling>
Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons Portal Tutoring EMAIL: akp@... web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info Skype: Putertutor "All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost."
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Re: Could Virtual Guide Dogs Replace the Real Thing? | Care2 Causes
#article
Ann Parsons <akp@...>
Hi all,
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Oh, no, no machine is going to tell me when to exercise, or what I can or can't eat! <Brrrr> that's too close to Big Brother for me. As for the device in the article, it is a good thing, but it cannot replace good o&M techniques. Ann P. Original message:
Well you could have one for healthcare and they would make you get up and exercise and make sure you did not over eat! Matt.from.florida@... <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> From: Dave Mitchel [mailto:dbmitchel@...] Matt, I would be so bored, and weigh 500 pounds if I had all these robots. lol! especially the one that cooks. I love to eat, but I’m such a lousy cook I keep the weight off. lol From: Matt <mailto:matt.from.florida@...> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:18 AM To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Could Virtual Guide Dogs Replace the Real Thing? | Care2 Causes Ok, not really fund of this thing you have to wear! I am all for a robot dog that can do the work of a guide dog or any service dog depending on what your needs is. I looking forward to a real robot guide dog or just a real robot to help lead me around and do other things for me as well other than lead me around. I am looking forward to having a robot to do house chores like cleaning and laundry and such. I looking forward to having one that would do other chores like yard maintence and garbing and house repairs. Looking forward to having one that will do the cooking. The one that would lead me around I would want that one to lead me to where I need to go, Read me things, help me with shopping and so on. Then another one specialize in all kind of repairs and another one in yard and garding task and another one in cleaning and general house duties as well as cooking. I can’t wait till they get here and is affordable enough to have them BTW: also want one that specialize in security and protection as well. Matt.from.florida@... <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@... <mailto:carlos1106@...>] The link to the article is below. http://www.care2.com/causes/could-virtual-guide-dogs-replace-the-real-thing.html <http://www.care2.com/causes/could-virtual-guide-dogs-replace-the-real-thing.html> --
Ann K. Parsons Portal Tutoring EMAIL: akp@... web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info Skype: Putertutor "All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost."
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Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Carlos
The point is that more expensive specialized
versions of such appliances talk. Considering the cost of a basic TTS
chip these days, there is no reason that speech could not be included in more
standard models of such appliances for a reasonable price. You yourself
said it, no one wants to pay $300 for a talking microwave with fewer
features. Well, if it were included in standard models, you wouldn't have
to which is the whole point.
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Re: Junk folder again.
Gene
See this article. It appears you have no junk
folder by default.
Gene
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client. It doesn't seem to be in local folders. Is there a setting somewhere i have to change for the junk folder to show? -- Billy Inglis Blantyre Hamilton
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Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population
Ann Parsons <akp@...>
Morning all,
Jim, just go to the FS web site and download Jaws. It will be a demo until or unless you register it. Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons Portal Tutoring EMAIL: akp@... web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info Skype: Putertutor "All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost."
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Junk folder again.
Billy Inglis
hi guys, Still cannot find the Junk folder in Thunderbird mail client. It doesn't seem to be in local folders.
Is there a setting somewhere i have to change for the junk folder to show? -- Billy Inglis Blantyre Hamilton
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Re: map app?
Billy Inglis
hi, didn't like it at all.
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On 29/02/2016 10:13, Armando wrote:
Try the built-in maps app. --
Billy Inglis Blantyre Hamilton
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Re: map app?
Billy Inglis
hi, i tried the built in app, and didn't like it.
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On 29/02/2016 10:13, Armando wrote:
Try the built-in maps app. --
Billy Inglis Blantyre Hamilton
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