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Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population

Matt
 

Yes exactly so we can be on the same level as possible as our seeing
partners . We will never be on the same level but we can strive to be.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons [mailto:akp@...]
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 7:58 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the
world population

Hi all,

Pablo, what we are asking for is universal access for all appliances no
matter what they are. A person who is blind should be able to turn on a
voice chip for his stove or washer so that the touch screens are accessible.
A person who is deaf should be able to have visual output for the same
things, and one should not have to pay extra for such adaptations because
they would be part of the design of the machine.

Ann P.


Original message:
In my opinion, everybody, blind, sighted, without legs or with 4
legs, should try to adapt them self to the society. I should not
require that a vacuum has braille, because to use it like the rest of
the people, I just need to push a button. If I have a dryer, the same,
if I have a microwave, is the same. What a accessible microwave can do
than cannot do a regular microwave?
Tell me the time?
I am able to use it and type the time that I need.
I don't understand why we want the whole world adapted to us, and no
us adapted to the world.
--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population

Matt
 

Yes that is the whole point is that it is only in the 1500 buck washer or dryer or ice box or 500 buck microwave. Why? It can easily be done . Just look at the Hamilton beach microwave that talked and then was taken over by someone else for a while then it disappeared. And these was under 100 bucks. I have two of them and knew they was going to stop producing them I would have bought several more to just have on hand.

 

 

 

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 7:32 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

The point is that more expensive specialized versions of such appliances talk.  Considering the cost of a basic TTS chip these days, there is no reason that speech could not be included in more standard models of such appliances for a reasonable price.  You yourself said it, no one wants to pay $300 for a talking microwave with fewer features.  Well, if it were included in standard models, you wouldn't have to which is the whole point.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:47 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

But they already talks!

 

 

From: enes sarıbaş [mailto:enes.saribas@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

hi,
those type of appliences do not need to talk imho. But complex appliences like electric stoves, thermostats, washers, driers and maybe fridge temperature controls should.

On 2/29/2016 2:57 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:

But what do you call accessible. That a vacuum is going to talk to you like voice over?

No Matt, it is not going to happen, never. I hope not. Why you want a vacuum talking to you?

For what you need a hair dryer talking to you, for what  you need a iron talking to you?

I was sighted before, and I use today the iron in the same way than before, if my iron is going to talk, I really don’t see to do what, tell me the temperature? Tell me if is raining in Alaska?

You don’t think that maybe it is going too far?

 

 

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 3:44 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Yes this goes back to our appliances and this is nothing but a medical appliance. These things should be accessible right out of the box. Mainstream. It could be just a matter of flipping a switch on the unit or pushing a button or holding down a button like with the iPhone and telling Siri to turn on VO.

But here again they are not going to do this till the government steps up and say all products must be accessible to us out of the box.

 

 

 

From: Keith S [mailto:ks.steinbach03@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

insulin pumps would be more safe if they had an optional voice synthesizer so settings were not accidentlaly altered and insulin doses werenot accidentally increased or decreased.  I can't count the number of times my endocrinologist asks me if I am using the built in bolus wizard and I reply that I cannot read the screens so I do not bother.  They then look at my wife and ask, can't you help him use his pump properly?  My wife's reply, "I work, we're not always together and he wants to be independant".

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 12:30 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Hi all,

Your point is well taken.  You can adapt many new products so that you
can use them convently.  I'd like to see products designed with
universal access in mind so one wouldn't have to adapt stuff.

Ann P.

Original message:
> No, I don't think like that.
> First, we need to stop and think. Really a blind person needs a special
> microwave for blind people?
> I am totally blind, and I have in my home 1 microwave, it is a over range
> microwave, and I use it perfectly. I just put on the digital display some
> plastic dots.  I have also ovens, toasters, and refrigerators, and any of
> those are for blind people. Because of that I can not use them?
> No, it is a lie.
> I use all of them, normally. So why I will buy a  washer machine, or a
> driver machine, or a microwave for blind people, that for sure it is going
> to have less features than a regular device, if I really don't need it?
> It is the reason why this market is almost none today. I will not pay $300
> for a microwave that yes, talks. But  with less features than a regular
> microwave,  that just putting plastic dots I will be able to use it?
> At home I have bunches of devices , none of them are for blind people.
> Now, that the price of jaws is going to go down?
> Well, probably if jaws  continue being the only solid and secure software,
> will not. But if more needs appear in the market, more companies  are going
> to see this kind of software as a way to make money. More competition,
> better quality, less cost.


>

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL:  akp@...
web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."

 


Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population

Matt
 

Yes it is coming and cannot wait for it. this is what not only we want most of the seeing population wants it and especially people under 40 years old.

 

 

 

From: Dave Mitchel [mailto:dbmitchel@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:55 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Janet, that is pretty much how I look at life and being blind. I can see where in the very near future we’ll be able to have Ciri or a machine like her set things for us. we’ll be able to talk to our thermostats, vacuum system, air conditioning of course the microwave and a few other appliances and tell them what we want. I’ll get up some morning and say: start the vacuum after I have left the house...and it will happen. I’m sure the technology is already here for that sort of thing, but cost wise I can’t afford it right now, and I probably will never be able to afford it. I do have a programmable vacuum cleaner which I have no idea how to program, and none of my friends here have looked hard enough to figure it out either, so I use my old standby do it myself vacuum.

perhaps  can talk to the State and have them by me one? lol!

I would rather they focus on giving my eyesight back to me than creating machines to do my work.

just my almost bed time opinion! lol

 

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Hi everyone,

I would like to charme in on this discussion, if I may? Just out of curiosity, Can someone tell me what would a talking vac cleaner say to a blind person in order to help them clean their floors? What would a talking microwave say to a blind person in order to help them cook? What would a talking oven or stove say to a blind person in order to help them to cook? What would a talking washer or dryer say to a blind person in order to help them to wash or dry their clothes? What would an airconditioner say in order to cool the house? If your talking about accessability, can’t we as blind people make them more accessable ourselves by adding our own markings? 

Am I missing the whole point?

 

Janet

 

Janet

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:02 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Yes they do indeed make vacs that do talk to you. Wake up this is the modern day tech world! See link below on some.

 

http://media.blubrry.com/assistivetech/www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/audio/mp95roomba630.mp3

 

 

http://media.blubrry.com/assistivetech/www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/audio/mp94lgroboking.mp3

 

 

 

 

From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:58 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

But what do you call accessible. That a vacuum is going to talk to you like voice over?

No Matt, it is not going to happen, never. I hope not. Why you want a vacuum talking to you?

For what you need a hair dryer talking to you, for what  you need a iron talking to you?

I was sighted before, and I use today the iron in the same way than before, if my iron is going to talk, I really don’t see to do what, tell me the temperature? Tell me if is raining in Alaska?

You don’t think that maybe it is going too far?

 

 

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 3:44 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Yes this goes back to our appliances and this is nothing but a medical appliance. These things should be accessible right out of the box. Mainstream. It could be just a matter of flipping a switch on the unit or pushing a button or holding down a button like with the iPhone and telling Siri to turn on VO.

But here again they are not going to do this till the government steps up and say all products must be accessible to us out of the box.

 

 

 

From: Keith S [mailto:ks.steinbach03@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

insulin pumps would be more safe if they had an optional voice synthesizer so settings were not accidentlaly altered and insulin doses werenot accidentally increased or decreased.  I can't count the number of times my endocrinologist asks me if I am using the built in bolus wizard and I reply that I cannot read the screens so I do not bother.  They then look at my wife and ask, can't you help him use his pump properly?  My wife's reply, "I work, we're not always together and he wants to be independant".

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 12:30 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Hi all,

Your point is well taken.  You can adapt many new products so that you
can use them convently.  I'd like to see products designed with
universal access in mind so one wouldn't have to adapt stuff.

Ann P.

Original message:
> No, I don't think like that.
> First, we need to stop and think. Really a blind person needs a special
> microwave for blind people?
> I am totally blind, and I have in my home 1 microwave, it is a over range
> microwave, and I use it perfectly. I just put on the digital display some
> plastic dots.  I have also ovens, toasters, and refrigerators, and any of
> those are for blind people. Because of that I can not use them?
> No, it is a lie.
> I use all of them, normally. So why I will buy a  washer machine, or a
> driver machine, or a microwave for blind people, that for sure it is going
> to have less features than a regular device, if I really don't need it?
> It is the reason why this market is almost none today. I will not pay $300
> for a microwave that yes, talks. But  with less features than a regular
> microwave,  that just putting plastic dots I will be able to use it?
> At home I have bunches of devices , none of them are for blind people.
> Now, that the price of jaws is going to go down?
> Well, probably if jaws  continue being the only solid and secure software,
> will not. But if more needs appear in the market, more companies  are going
> to see this kind of software as a way to make money. More competition,
> better quality, less cost.


>

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL:  akp@...
web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population

Matt
 

Yes you are they would speak the buttons and what they did! Especially on flat screens, and much more . Also most flat screen does have directions on doing things and it would read this out. So yes use common sense and it is not hard to figure out how it would be of great help. Plus you are just thinking of laundry and cooking appliances! There is a whole lot more appliances then this . Your TV is a appliance your blood pressure device is a appliance your Georg Forman grill is an appliance and the list just goes on and and on. So yes you have missed the point!

 

 

 

From: Janet Gross [mailto:harvard-97@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:36 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Hi everyone,

I would like to charme in on this discussion, if I may? Just out of curiosity, Can someone tell me what would a talking vac cleaner say to a blind person in order to help them clean their floors? What would a talking microwave say to a blind person in order to help them cook? What would a talking oven or stove say to a blind person in order to help them to cook? What would a talking washer or dryer say to a blind person in order to help them to wash or dry their clothes? What would an airconditioner say in order to cool the house? If your talking about accessability, can’t we as blind people make them more accessable ourselves by adding our own markings?  

Am I missing the whole point?

 

Janet

 

Janet

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:02 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Yes they do indeed make vacs that do talk to you. Wake up this is the modern day tech world! See link below on some.

 

http://media.blubrry.com/assistivetech/www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/audio/mp95roomba630.mp3

 

 

http://media.blubrry.com/assistivetech/www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/audio/mp94lgroboking.mp3

 

 

 

 

From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:58 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

But what do you call accessible. That a vacuum is going to talk to you like voice over?

No Matt, it is not going to happen, never. I hope not. Why you want a vacuum talking to you?

For what you need a hair dryer talking to you, for what  you need a iron talking to you?

I was sighted before, and I use today the iron in the same way than before, if my iron is going to talk, I really don’t see to do what, tell me the temperature? Tell me if is raining in Alaska?

You don’t think that maybe it is going too far?

 

 

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 3:44 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Yes this goes back to our appliances and this is nothing but a medical appliance. These things should be accessible right out of the box. Mainstream. It could be just a matter of flipping a switch on the unit or pushing a button or holding down a button like with the iPhone and telling Siri to turn on VO.

But here again they are not going to do this till the government steps up and say all products must be accessible to us out of the box.

 

 

 

From: Keith S [mailto:ks.steinbach03@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

insulin pumps would be more safe if they had an optional voice synthesizer so settings were not accidentlaly altered and insulin doses werenot accidentally increased or decreased.  I can't count the number of times my endocrinologist asks me if I am using the built in bolus wizard and I reply that I cannot read the screens so I do not bother.  They then look at my wife and ask, can't you help him use his pump properly?  My wife's reply, "I work, we're not always together and he wants to be independant".

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 12:30 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Hi all,

Your point is well taken.  You can adapt many new products so that you
can use them convently.  I'd like to see products designed with
universal access in mind so one wouldn't have to adapt stuff.

Ann P.

Original message:
> No, I don't think like that.
> First, we need to stop and think. Really a blind person needs a special
> microwave for blind people?
> I am totally blind, and I have in my home 1 microwave, it is a over range
> microwave, and I use it perfectly. I just put on the digital display some
> plastic dots.  I have also ovens, toasters, and refrigerators, and any of
> those are for blind people. Because of that I can not use them?
> No, it is a lie.
> I use all of them, normally. So why I will buy a  washer machine, or a
> driver machine, or a microwave for blind people, that for sure it is going
> to have less features than a regular device, if I really don't need it?
> It is the reason why this market is almost none today. I will not pay $300
> for a microwave that yes, talks. But  with less features than a regular
> microwave,  that just putting plastic dots I will be able to use it?
> At home I have bunches of devices , none of them are for blind people.
> Now, that the price of jaws is going to go down?
> Well, probably if jaws  continue being the only solid and secure software,
> will not. But if more needs appear in the market, more companies  are going
> to see this kind of software as a way to make money. More competition,
> better quality, less cost.


>

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL:  akp@...
web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population

Matt
 

Yes but here again it don’t look good and it is not the best solution. I know as blind people we most don’t care as long as it is usable. But our seeing partners does and they care how things look and if you had ever been a seeing person for any amount of time you would to. Don’t hank when a visual person come in your house even though they don’t say anything about it they are thinking it. all this stuff stuck all over things and all the future and such all push against the wall and so on so we don’t bump into them and so on the list goes. But the visual person really takes note of this and then weather they say it out loud or they don’t say it out loud they are thinking poor dam blind person and then they immediately start treating us different.

If we could just get the small step done and make our Appliances accessible right out of the box this would be the start of leveling the playing field.

 

 

 

From: Janet Gross [mailto:harvard-97@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:59 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Can’t someone put their own markings on a flat screen such as their options, or on a menu if someone was to tell them the options on the appliances?      

Janet

 

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:49 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

I believe some are taking this suggestion of making products more accessible to extreme.  Obviously it probably isn't necessary to have a talking vacuum cleaner or iron, but having appliances with screens and menus speak settings and selections would certainly be useful.  As was already pointed out, even washing machines these days are not all the simple appliances that they once were.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Hi everyone,

I would like to charme in on this discussion, if I may? Just out of curiosity, Can someone tell me what would a talking vac cleaner say to a blind person in order to help them clean their floors? What would a talking microwave say to a blind person in order to help them cook? What would a talking oven or stove say to a blind person in order to help them to cook? What would a talking washer or dryer say to a blind person in order to help them to wash or dry their clothes? What would an airconditioner say in order to cool the house? If your talking about accessability, can’t we as blind people make them more accessable ourselves by adding our own markings?  

Am I missing the whole point?

 

Janet

 

Janet

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:02 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Yes they do indeed make vacs that do talk to you. Wake up this is the modern day tech world! See link below on some.

 

http://media.blubrry.com/assistivetech/www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/audio/mp95roomba630.mp3

 

 

http://media.blubrry.com/assistivetech/www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/audio/mp94lgroboking.mp3

 

 

 

 

From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:58 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

But what do you call accessible. That a vacuum is going to talk to you like voice over?

No Matt, it is not going to happen, never. I hope not. Why you want a vacuum talking to you?

For what you need a hair dryer talking to you, for what  you need a iron talking to you?

I was sighted before, and I use today the iron in the same way than before, if my iron is going to talk, I really don’t see to do what, tell me the temperature? Tell me if is raining in Alaska?

You don’t think that maybe it is going too far?

 

 

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 3:44 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Yes this goes back to our appliances and this is nothing but a medical appliance. These things should be accessible right out of the box. Mainstream. It could be just a matter of flipping a switch on the unit or pushing a button or holding down a button like with the iPhone and telling Siri to turn on VO.

But here again they are not going to do this till the government steps up and say all products must be accessible to us out of the box.

 

 

 

From: Keith S [mailto:ks.steinbach03@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

insulin pumps would be more safe if they had an optional voice synthesizer so settings were not accidentlaly altered and insulin doses werenot accidentally increased or decreased.  I can't count the number of times my endocrinologist asks me if I am using the built in bolus wizard and I reply that I cannot read the screens so I do not bother.  They then look at my wife and ask, can't you help him use his pump properly?  My wife's reply, "I work, we're not always together and he wants to be independant".

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 12:30 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Hi all,

Your point is well taken.  You can adapt many new products so that you
can use them convently.  I'd like to see products designed with
universal access in mind so one wouldn't have to adapt stuff.

Ann P.

Original message:
> No, I don't think like that.
> First, we need to stop and think. Really a blind person needs a special
> microwave for blind people?
> I am totally blind, and I have in my home 1 microwave, it is a over range
> microwave, and I use it perfectly. I just put on the digital display some
> plastic dots.  I have also ovens, toasters, and refrigerators, and any of
> those are for blind people. Because of that I can not use them?
> No, it is a lie.
> I use all of them, normally. So why I will buy a  washer machine, or a
> driver machine, or a microwave for blind people, that for sure it is going
> to have less features than a regular device, if I really don't need it?
> It is the reason why this market is almost none today. I will not pay $300
> for a microwave that yes, talks. But  with less features than a regular
> microwave,  that just putting plastic dots I will be able to use it?
> At home I have bunches of devices , none of them are for blind people.
> Now, that the price of jaws is going to go down?
> Well, probably if jaws  continue being the only solid and secure software,
> will not. But if more needs appear in the market, more companies  are going
> to see this kind of software as a way to make money. More competition,
> better quality, less cost.


>

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL:  akp@...
web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Hi all,

A talking vacuum cleaner, if it had a camer, might say, "You need to go over this spot again." A talking microwave tells you how many minutes and seconds you've set on the timer. A talking oven would tell you the exact temperature your oven is set to.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population

Matt
 

Yes some does not all and the lower end ones don’t .

 

 

 

From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@...]
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:47 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

But they already talks!

 

 

From: enes sarıbaş [mailto:enes.saribas@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

hi,
those type of appliences do not need to talk imho. But complex appliences like electric stoves, thermostats, washers, driers and maybe fridge temperature controls should.

On 2/29/2016 2:57 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:

But what do you call accessible. That a vacuum is going to talk to you like voice over?

No Matt, it is not going to happen, never. I hope not. Why you want a vacuum talking to you?

For what you need a hair dryer talking to you, for what  you need a iron talking to you?

I was sighted before, and I use today the iron in the same way than before, if my iron is going to talk, I really don’t see to do what, tell me the temperature? Tell me if is raining in Alaska?

You don’t think that maybe it is going too far?

 

 

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 3:44 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Yes this goes back to our appliances and this is nothing but a medical appliance. These things should be accessible right out of the box. Mainstream. It could be just a matter of flipping a switch on the unit or pushing a button or holding down a button like with the iPhone and telling Siri to turn on VO.

But here again they are not going to do this till the government steps up and say all products must be accessible to us out of the box.

 

 

 

From: Keith S [mailto:ks.steinbach03@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

insulin pumps would be more safe if they had an optional voice synthesizer so settings were not accidentlaly altered and insulin doses werenot accidentally increased or decreased.  I can't count the number of times my endocrinologist asks me if I am using the built in bolus wizard and I reply that I cannot read the screens so I do not bother.  They then look at my wife and ask, can't you help him use his pump properly?  My wife's reply, "I work, we're not always together and he wants to be independant".

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 12:30 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Hi all,

Your point is well taken.  You can adapt many new products so that you
can use them convently.  I'd like to see products designed with
universal access in mind so one wouldn't have to adapt stuff.

Ann P.

Original message:
> No, I don't think like that.
> First, we need to stop and think. Really a blind person needs a special
> microwave for blind people?
> I am totally blind, and I have in my home 1 microwave, it is a over range
> microwave, and I use it perfectly. I just put on the digital display some
> plastic dots.  I have also ovens, toasters, and refrigerators, and any of
> those are for blind people. Because of that I can not use them?
> No, it is a lie.
> I use all of them, normally. So why I will buy a  washer machine, or a
> driver machine, or a microwave for blind people, that for sure it is going
> to have less features than a regular device, if I really don't need it?
> It is the reason why this market is almost none today. I will not pay $300
> for a microwave that yes, talks. But  with less features than a regular
> microwave,  that just putting plastic dots I will be able to use it?
> At home I have bunches of devices , none of them are for blind people.
> Now, that the price of jaws is going to go down?
> Well, probably if jaws  continue being the only solid and secure software,
> will not. But if more needs appear in the market, more companies  are going
> to see this kind of software as a way to make money. More competition,
> better quality, less cost.


>

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Not all those who wander are lost."

 


Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population

Matt
 

Yes and why should we not be as close as we can get to our counter seeing
people.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob [mailto:captinlogic@...]
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 1:07 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the
world population

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:


And any musicians would understand the frustration of electronic instruments
with complex menu structures. Or medical devices that require sighted
assistance to use.
And not all of us have sets of eyeballs we can call on whenever we need
them. It's all well and good to say, well just get some sighted assistance.
Some of us live alone with no support structure, so it isn't that easy.


Re: Could Virtual Guide Dogs Replace the Real Thing? | Care2 Causes #article

Matt
 

Well, don't know they are talking about a real chimp I think they was
talking about a robot chimp.
But don't know why you could not do a real chimp. They have little small
service monkeys.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons [mailto:akp@...]
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 7:45 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Could Virtual Guide Dogs Replace the Real Thing? |
Care2 Causes

Hi all, LOL! a guide chimp? You gonna learn sign to communicate with
him? How you gonna read his ASL? <smiling>

Ann P.

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Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population

Gene
 

You are defining good design with respect to blind users.  the engineers you are complaining about are doing their jobs in the context of sighted users.  I don't think it matters who is designing such products.  If sighted people didn't like flat surfaces, there would be more such products. 
 
I wouldn't assume that speech wouldn't be necessary just because an appliance has raised buttons.  What if those buttons operate menus or a timer.  From a sighted person's standpoint, I wouldn't be surprised if touch screens or flat pannels where you apply a little pressure on the item you want are aesthetically ore pleasing than buttons and they may be more pleasant to work with tactically.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 
And you wouldn’t need speech output in the first place if the microwave control panel had raised, tactile buttons instead of a flat membrane.  A consumer-friendly appliance doesn’t necessarily cost more to design and produce than one that is poorly designed.  The problem is that appliances nowadays are mostly designed and manufactured in China whose industrial engineers have little or no regard for good industrial design.  Sadly, there are no Raymond Loewy’s left.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population
 
The point is that more expensive specialized versions of such appliances talk.  Considering the cost of a basic TTS chip these days, there is no reason that speech could not be included in more standard models of such appliances for a reasonable price.  You yourself said it, no one wants to pay $300 for a talking microwave with fewer features.  Well, if it were included in standard models, you wouldn't have to which is the whole point.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population
 

But they already talks!

 

 

From: enes sarıbaş [mailto:enes.saribas@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

hi,
those type of appliences do not need to talk imho. But complex appliences like electric stoves, thermostats, washers, driers and maybe fridge temperature controls should.

On 2/29/2016 2:57 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:

But what do you call accessible. That a vacuum is going to talk to you like voice over?

No Matt, it is not going to happen, never. I hope not. Why you want a vacuum talking to you?

For what you need a hair dryer talking to you, for what  you need a iron talking to you?

I was sighted before, and I use today the iron in the same way than before, if my iron is going to talk, I really don’t see to do what, tell me the temperature? Tell me if is raining in Alaska?

You don’t think that maybe it is going too far?

 

 

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 3:44 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Yes this goes back to our appliances and this is nothing but a medical appliance. These things should be accessible right out of the box. Mainstream. It could be just a matter of flipping a switch on the unit or pushing a button or holding down a button like with the iPhone and telling Siri to turn on VO.

But here again they are not going to do this till the government steps up and say all products must be accessible to us out of the box.

 

 

 

From: Keith S [mailto:ks.steinbach03@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

insulin pumps would be more safe if they had an optional voice synthesizer so settings were not accidentlaly altered and insulin doses werenot accidentally increased or decreased.  I can't count the number of times my endocrinologist asks me if I am using the built in bolus wizard and I reply that I cannot read the screens so I do not bother.  They then look at my wife and ask, can't you help him use his pump properly?  My wife's reply, "I work, we're not always together and he wants to be independant".

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Ann Parsons

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 12:30 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Hi all,

Your point is well taken.  You can adapt many new products so that you
can use them convently.  I'd like to see products designed with
universal access in mind so one wouldn't have to adapt stuff.

Ann P.

Original message:
> No, I don't think like that.
> First, we need to stop and think. Really a blind person needs a special
> microwave for blind people?
> I am totally blind, and I have in my home 1 microwave, it is a over range
> microwave, and I use it perfectly. I just put on the digital display some
> plastic dots.  I have also ovens, toasters, and refrigerators, and any of
> those are for blind people. Because of that I can not use them?
> No, it is a lie.
> I use all of them, normally. So why I will buy a  washer machine, or a
> driver machine, or a microwave for blind people, that for sure it is going
> to have less features than a regular device, if I really don't need it?
> It is the reason why this market is almost none today. I will not pay $300
> for a microwave that yes, talks. But  with less features than a regular
> microwave,  that just putting plastic dots I will be able to use it?
> At home I have bunches of devices , none of them are for blind people.
> Now, that the price of jaws is going to go down?
> Well, probably if jaws  continue being the only solid and secure software,
> will not. But if more needs appear in the market, more companies  are going
> to see this kind of software as a way to make money. More competition,
> better quality, less cost.


>

--
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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL:  akp@...
web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."

 


Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Hi all,

Pablo, what we are asking for is universal access for all appliances no matter what they are. A person who is blind should be able to turn on a voice chip for his stove or washer so that the touch screens are accessible. A person who is deaf should be able to have visual output for the same things, and one should not have to pay extra for such adaptations because they would be part of the design of the machine.

Ann P.


Original message:

In my opinion, everybody, blind, sighted, without legs or with 4 legs,
should try to adapt them self to the society. I should not require that a
vacuum has braille, because to use it like the rest of the people, I just
need to push a button. If I have a dryer, the same, if I have a microwave,
is the same. What a accessible microwave can do than cannot do a regular
microwave?
Tell me the time?
I am able to use it and type the time that I need.
I don't understand why we want the whole world adapted to us, and no us
adapted to the world.
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Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population

Gerald Levy
 

 
And you wouldn’t need speech output in the first place if the microwave control panel had raised, tactile buttons instead of a flat membrane.  A consumer-friendly appliance doesn’t necessarily cost more to design and produce than one that is poorly designed.  The problem is that appliances nowadays are mostly designed and manufactured in China whose industrial engineers have little or no regard for good industrial design.  Sadly, there are no Raymond Loewy’s left.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population
 
The point is that more expensive specialized versions of such appliances talk.  Considering the cost of a basic TTS chip these days, there is no reason that speech could not be included in more standard models of such appliances for a reasonable price.  You yourself said it, no one wants to pay $300 for a talking microwave with fewer features.  Well, if it were included in standard models, you wouldn't have to which is the whole point.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population
 

But they already talks!

 

 

From: enes sarıbaş [mailto:enes.saribas@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

hi,
those type of appliences do not need to talk imho. But complex appliences like electric stoves, thermostats, washers, driers and maybe fridge temperature controls should.

On 2/29/2016 2:57 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:

But what do you call accessible. That a vacuum is going to talk to you like voice over?

No Matt, it is not going to happen, never. I hope not. Why you want a vacuum talking to you?

For what you need a hair dryer talking to you, for what  you need a iron talking to you?

I was sighted before, and I use today the iron in the same way than before, if my iron is going to talk, I really don’t see to do what, tell me the temperature? Tell me if is raining in Alaska?

You don’t think that maybe it is going too far?

 

 

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 3:44 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Yes this goes back to our appliances and this is nothing but a medical appliance. These things should be accessible right out of the box. Mainstream. It could be just a matter of flipping a switch on the unit or pushing a button or holding down a button like with the iPhone and telling Siri to turn on VO.

But here again they are not going to do this till the government steps up and say all products must be accessible to us out of the box.

 

 

 

From: Keith S [mailto:ks.steinbach03@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

insulin pumps would be more safe if they had an optional voice synthesizer so settings were not accidentlaly altered and insulin doses werenot accidentally increased or decreased.  I can't count the number of times my endocrinologist asks me if I am using the built in bolus wizard and I reply that I cannot read the screens so I do not bother.  They then look at my wife and ask, can't you help him use his pump properly?  My wife's reply, "I work, we're not always together and he wants to be independant".

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Ann Parsons

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 12:30 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Hi all,

Your point is well taken.  You can adapt many new products so that you
can use them convently.  I'd like to see products designed with
universal access in mind so one wouldn't have to adapt stuff.

Ann P.

Original message:
> No, I don't think like that.
> First, we need to stop and think. Really a blind person needs a special
> microwave for blind people?
> I am totally blind, and I have in my home 1 microwave, it is a over range
> microwave, and I use it perfectly. I just put on the digital display some
> plastic dots.  I have also ovens, toasters, and refrigerators, and any of
> those are for blind people. Because of that I can not use them?
> No, it is a lie.
> I use all of them, normally. So why I will buy a  washer machine, or a
> driver machine, or a microwave for blind people, that for sure it is going
> to have less features than a regular device, if I really don't need it?
> It is the reason why this market is almost none today. I will not pay $300
> for a microwave that yes, talks. But  with less features than a regular
> microwave,  that just putting plastic dots I will be able to use it?
> At home I have bunches of devices , none of them are for blind people.
> Now, that the price of jaws is going to go down?
> Well, probably if jaws  continue being the only solid and secure software,
> will not. But if more needs appear in the market, more companies  are going
> to see this kind of software as a way to make money. More competition,
> better quality, less cost.


>

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL:  akp@...
web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."

 


Re: Could Virtual Guide Dogs Replace the Real Thing? | Care2 Causes #article

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Hi all, LOL! a guide chimp? You gonna learn sign to communicate with him? How you gonna read his ASL? <smiling>

Ann P.

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Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Could Virtual Guide Dogs Replace the Real Thing? | Care2 Causes #article

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Hi all,

Oh, no, no machine is going to tell me when to exercise, or what I can or can't eat! <Brrrr> that's too close to Big Brother for me.

As for the device in the article, it is a good thing, but it cannot replace good o&M techniques.

Ann P.

Original message:

Well you could have one for healthcare and they would make you get up and exercise and make sure you did not over eat!
Matt.from.florida@... <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...>
From: Dave Mitchel [mailto:dbmitchel@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 1:47 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Could Virtual Guide Dogs Replace the Real Thing? | Care2 Causes
Matt, I would be so bored, and weigh 500 pounds if I had all these robots. lol! especially the one that cooks. I love to eat, but I’m such a lousy cook I keep the weight off. lol
From: Matt <mailto:matt.from.florida@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:18 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Could Virtual Guide Dogs Replace the Real Thing? | Care2 Causes
Ok, not really fund of this thing you have to wear! I am all for a robot dog that can do the work of a guide dog or any service dog depending on what your needs is. I looking forward to a real robot guide dog or just a real robot to help lead me around and do other things for me as well other than lead me around.
I am looking forward to having a robot to do house chores like cleaning and laundry and such. I looking forward to having one that would do other chores like yard maintence and garbing and house repairs. Looking forward to having one that will do the cooking.
The one that would lead me around I would want that one to lead me to where I need to go, Read me things, help me with shopping and so on. Then another one specialize in all kind of repairs and another one in yard and garding task and another one in cleaning and general house duties as well as cooking. I can’t wait till they get here and is affordable enough to have them BTW: also want one that specialize in security and protection as well.
Matt.from.florida@... <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...>
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@... <mailto:carlos1106@...>]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 11:30 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Could Virtual Guide Dogs Replace the Real Thing? | Care2 Causes
The link to the article is below.
http://www.care2.com/causes/could-virtual-guide-dogs-replace-the-real-thing.html <http://www.care2.com/causes/could-virtual-guide-dogs-replace-the-real-thing.html>
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Portal Tutoring
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Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population

Carlos
 

The point is that more expensive specialized versions of such appliances talk.  Considering the cost of a basic TTS chip these days, there is no reason that speech could not be included in more standard models of such appliances for a reasonable price.  You yourself said it, no one wants to pay $300 for a talking microwave with fewer features.  Well, if it were included in standard models, you wouldn't have to which is the whole point.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

But they already talks!

 

 

From: enes sarıbaş [mailto:enes.saribas@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

hi,
those type of appliences do not need to talk imho. But complex appliences like electric stoves, thermostats, washers, driers and maybe fridge temperature controls should.

On 2/29/2016 2:57 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:

But what do you call accessible. That a vacuum is going to talk to you like voice over?

No Matt, it is not going to happen, never. I hope not. Why you want a vacuum talking to you?

For what you need a hair dryer talking to you, for what  you need a iron talking to you?

I was sighted before, and I use today the iron in the same way than before, if my iron is going to talk, I really don’t see to do what, tell me the temperature? Tell me if is raining in Alaska?

You don’t think that maybe it is going too far?

 

 

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 3:44 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Yes this goes back to our appliances and this is nothing but a medical appliance. These things should be accessible right out of the box. Mainstream. It could be just a matter of flipping a switch on the unit or pushing a button or holding down a button like with the iPhone and telling Siri to turn on VO.

But here again they are not going to do this till the government steps up and say all products must be accessible to us out of the box.

 

 

 

From: Keith S [mailto:ks.steinbach03@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

insulin pumps would be more safe if they had an optional voice synthesizer so settings were not accidentlaly altered and insulin doses werenot accidentally increased or decreased.  I can't count the number of times my endocrinologist asks me if I am using the built in bolus wizard and I reply that I cannot read the screens so I do not bother.  They then look at my wife and ask, can't you help him use his pump properly?  My wife's reply, "I work, we're not always together and he wants to be independant".

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Ann Parsons

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 12:30 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] World population and blindness percentage to the world population

 

Hi all,

Your point is well taken.  You can adapt many new products so that you
can use them convently.  I'd like to see products designed with
universal access in mind so one wouldn't have to adapt stuff.

Ann P.

Original message:
> No, I don't think like that.
> First, we need to stop and think. Really a blind person needs a special
> microwave for blind people?
> I am totally blind, and I have in my home 1 microwave, it is a over range
> microwave, and I use it perfectly. I just put on the digital display some
> plastic dots.  I have also ovens, toasters, and refrigerators, and any of
> those are for blind people. Because of that I can not use them?
> No, it is a lie.
> I use all of them, normally. So why I will buy a  washer machine, or a
> driver machine, or a microwave for blind people, that for sure it is going
> to have less features than a regular device, if I really don't need it?
> It is the reason why this market is almost none today. I will not pay $300
> for a microwave that yes, talks. But  with less features than a regular
> microwave,  that just putting plastic dots I will be able to use it?
> At home I have bunches of devices , none of them are for blind people.
> Now, that the price of jaws is going to go down?
> Well, probably if jaws  continue being the only solid and secure software,
> will not. But if more needs appear in the market, more companies  are going
> to see this kind of software as a way to make money. More competition,
> better quality, less cost.


>

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL:  akp@...
web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."

 


Re: Junk folder again.

Gene
 

See this article.  It appears you have no junk folder by default.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 6:15 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Junk folder again.

     hi guys, Still cannot find the Junk folder in Thunderbird mail
client. It doesn't seem to be in local folders.
Is there a setting somewhere i have to change for the junk folder to show?

--
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Blantyre Hamilton




Re: World population and blindness percentage to the world population

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Morning all,

Jim, just go to the FS web site and download Jaws. It will be a demo until or unless you register it.

Ann P.

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Not all those who wander are lost."


Junk folder again.

Billy Inglis
 

hi guys, Still cannot find the Junk folder in Thunderbird mail client. It doesn't seem to be in local folders.
Is there a setting somewhere i have to change for the junk folder to show?

--
Billy Inglis

Blantyre Hamilton


Re: map app?

Billy Inglis
 

hi, didn't like it at all.

On 29/02/2016 10:13, Armando wrote:
Try the built-in maps app.
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To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 09:38:47 +0000
Subject: [TechTalk] map app?

hi guys, I an looking for a reliable iphone Map app?

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Re: map app?

Billy Inglis
 

hi, i tried the built in app, and didn't like it.

On 29/02/2016 10:13, Armando wrote:
Try the built-in maps app.
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From: "Billy Inglis" <william.inglis72@...
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 09:38:47 +0000
Subject: [TechTalk] map app?

hi guys, I an looking for a reliable iphone Map app?

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