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Re: tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

I used Win 7 for quite a few years but after using 8.1 for almost a year I find that the less you try to make it like 7 the better off you will be in the long run. At first I got very frustrated with 8 but once I got accustomed to it, I really like it a lot and find I can navigate and accomplish tasks faster than with previous OS versions. It boots up so quickly I am sometimes startled by the speed. It is definitely a learning curve but to me it has been well worth the change.
I know you will find many others who will disagree with my opinions so you will have to make up your own mind according to your own level of comfort.
 
Marie
 

From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 9:32 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?
 
I am going to be using Windows 8 on my laptop, and I know that one thing I will do to make it read better and easier to find programs is to install Classic Shell.  I use Jaws 16 and NVDA, and I prefer a very straightforward way to find programs or use the Internet which involves as many list views as possible.  Besides the suggestion I was given to use Classic Shell, are there other tips you can give to make this a way to navigate it so it works for me like 7 or even XP as far as the look or style of the program?  I will also be using Outlook Express or Windows Mail, whichever program you may recommend as being more stable.  Any help is very much appreciated.
 
Joanne


Headphones not working

Walt Smith
 

Bill -

You should also look into the Sound dialog > Playback tab: at least, in
Windows 7, that's where you have to select your default playback output
device. On my Dell tower, I had to make headphones the default here before
the headphone jack would work.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Koppelmann [mailto:billmeister@samobile.net]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:19 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Joseph: device manager

Hi Joseph,
I did just what you suggested and found the device manager and found
that my drivers are up to date supposedly, but I still can't get the
headphone jack to work, I wonder just what could I do to resolve this
problem. I guess it's possible that something is wrong with the jack,
but I'd like to check other things first. I did go in to the sound area
and checked the volumes and they all are set at 100, but unlike windows
7, you can't seem to press the controll tab to get to another area, so
what am I missing here.
Many thanks,
Bill


Re: Joseph: device manager

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi Bill,
Before looking at this further, we need to know the make and model of the
sound card you are using (make note of this), otherwise you may find
yourself installing the driver for a wrong sound card.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Koppelmann [mailto:billmeister@samobile.net]
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 10:50 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Joseph: device manager

Hi Joseph,
I did hear what the driver was, but I'd never heard of a driver like that
before, so I didn't take note of it. so, where would I search for a newer
driver for my sound card? I understand that there's a site that has a bunch
of them, but just let me know which site you'd suggest.
Bill


Re: what is Web i.e. and is it still used?

joanne
 

Oh thanks, Gene.  I'd be interested in what this feature is called.  I have tried using Fire Fox and it doesn't seem as straightforward as I.E. but I want to learn it.
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] what is Web i.e. and is it still used?

Webbie is a browser developed for blind people.  It had some use years ago when some people were using primitive screen-readers like the one called Thunder that had no browse mode and no effective way of working with web pages using a regular browser and before NVDA was developed.  There is little or no reason to use it now, especially since the one somewhat useful feature I know about is now available in Firefox.  Webbie has a feature that removes links from web pages and let's you read an article without lots of links in the middle and at the beginning of the page.  But now, firefox has a very similar feature.  I'd have to look at it again before discussing it further. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:35 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] what is Web i.e. and is it still used?

A friend is installing Windows 8 and asked if I wanted something called Web I.e. which he apparently found in a past version of Windows.  I don't know what it is but he wondered if it makes Internet Explorer more responsive, or if it's an obsolete program and doesn't work with higher versions of I.E.
 
Joanne


Joseph: device manager

Bill K <billmeister@...>
 

Hi Joseph,
I did hear what the driver was, but I'd never heard of a driver like that before, so I didn't take note of it. so, where would I search for a newer driver for my sound card? I understand that there's a site that has a bunch of them, but just let me know which site you'd suggest.
Bill


Re: what is Web i.e. and is it still used?

Gerald Levy
 

 
But the other programs in the WebbIE suite of programs are still useful.  I find the WebbIE Calendar program to be especially screen reader-friendly and easy to use.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] what is Web i.e. and is it still used?
 
Webbie is a browser developed for blind people.  It had some use years ago when some people were using primitive screen-readers like the one called Thunder that had no browse mode and no effective way of working with web pages using a regular browser and before NVDA was developed.  There is little or no reason to use it now, especially since the one somewhat useful feature I know about is now available in Firefox.  Webbie has a feature that removes links from web pages and let's you read an article without lots of links in the middle and at the beginning of the page.  But now, firefox has a very similar feature.  I'd have to look at it again before discussing it further. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:35 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] what is Web i.e. and is it still used?
 
A friend is installing Windows 8 and asked if I wanted something called Web I.e. which he apparently found in a past version of Windows.  I don't know what it is but he wondered if it makes Internet Explorer more responsive, or if it's an obsolete program and doesn't work with higher versions of I.E.
 
Joanne


Re: Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

Yes I saw Blaster's post right after I sent the email. I now have downloaded additional voices. Thanks, Marie
 

From: NORMAN
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
 
hi.
As i recall, this file doesn't have 11 voices, that's the version number, for example, version 11.
Each voice has to be downloaded separately.

Thanks.


On 9/4/2015 12:44 PM, Marie wrote:
I downloaded the zip file with the MS platform and the file which supposedly had 11 voices, however I can only get the Zira Pro voice in NVDA. How do I get the additional voices?
Thanks, Marie
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
 
I don't know if Openbook 9 can see and work with the voices, but I see no advantage in using them in Openbook instead of Eloquence.  However, if you begin the installation, tell Openbook 7 you don't want to use a screen-reader during installation and proceed a bit into the installation, Via Voice is already installed.  When the installation starts to talk, you can cancel it and still have Via Voice on your machine.  You may have to leave your screen-reader running because the version of whatever screen-reader Openbook 7 uses doesn't work properly in Windows 7 but Via Voice is still installed.  Whether it speaks in the early part of the installation or not, it is there.  Cancel the installation after you work through a bit of it and you will see, if you run NVDA and look at the voices, that in SAPI 4, you see Via Voice voices. 
 
However, as I said yesterday when discussing Eloquence, you may get so many crashes that it isn't worth using them.  That was my experience when using SAPI 4 eloquence and SAPI 4 viavoice in Windows 7.  I believe that is because of instability of SAPI 4 in Windows 7 but I don't know enough about the subject to know if other SAPI 4 voices run without a lot of crashes.  So, if you want to play, be aware that you may find it not worth using the SAPI 4 version of Via Voice.  I stopped experimenting when I found that I got something like six or eight or more crashes a day of either Via Voice or programs that Via Voice made crash.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
 
 
In that case, here’s a really dumb question.  Open Book 7 will not work under Windows 7, but if you install it anyway, will Open Book 9 still recognize the Via voice?
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
 
Before Openbook 8, Via Voice was used.  It could be seen by other programs.  Eloquence didn't start to be used in Openbook until version 8.
 
Gene
 
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA
 

I have Open Book 9 installed on my Win7 PC, but Eloquence is not listed as
an option in NVDA for the SAPI 4 synthesizer.  My understanding is that NVDA
only recognizes Open Book 7 running under XP and not later versions running
under Windows 7 or higher, because OB 7 apparently had an unrestricted
license.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 6:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

use your installed version of open book which contains it, or, K1000 has
Eloquence which can and I use it with NVDA.
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 10:27:32 -0400
"Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...> wrote:

>
> On my old XP PC, I was able to use Eloquence as my default voice for NVDA
> because I also happened to have Open Book 7 installed as well.  But on my
> current Windows 7 PC, the only default voices available for NVDA are
> Microsoft Anna or ESpeak, neither of which appeals to me because they are
> not especially clear or responsive.  I am well aware that Eloquence is not
> available legally as a free voice for NVDA in Win 7, so I won’t even
> bother to get into a discussion about this sensitive issue.  In any case,
> are there any other free voices available for NVDA that are clearer and
> more responsive than Anna or ESpeak?  Thanks.
>
> Gerald
>


 







Re: What's Up With Directions for Me?

Gerald Levy
 

Shows you how old I am. There used to be a Safeway supermarket right here in my upper Manhattan neighborhood more than 50 years ago. But in the early 1960's, Safeway closed all of its East Coast stores and retreated to the West Coast because it could not compete against archrival A&P, once the largest supermarket chain in the US. But A&P, which is now a fraction of its original size, recently filed a second time for Chapter 11 bankruptcy and will close or sell off all of its remaining stores by Thanksgiving. The once iconic Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company is great no more. Anyway, I'll check out the Safeway site even though they would have to send a drone 3000 miles to deliver to my kitchen window. Sorry, I forgot. Amazon is the company that's putzing around with drone delivery. LOL!!

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Onwardbob
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:05 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What's Up With Directions for Me?

If you don't mind a back door work around try the Safeway grocery delivery at https://shop.safeway.com/ecom/account/sign-in/
If Safeway doesn't actually deliver in your area you could still open an account using a zip code from an area where they do such as 92832. Included in the Product Info area for each product they carry is the product directions. I highly recommend the Safeway online shopping service. I find it easy to work with. The selection is as good as in their stores even if the prices aren't always the lowest possible. The delivery charge is reasonable and can frequently be avoided altogether.

BOB SOUTAR…ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob [mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 9:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What's Up With Directions for Me?

Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

Since Directions for Me is apparently not functioning at the present time, is there any other web site for obtaining cooking instructions for specific products, or any other work around aside from asking a sighted person to read them directly from the package?

Try the UPC. If you have a bar code scanner, log into the digit-eyes database. They will sometimes link you to product pages.


Re: tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

You could use Start is back, it costs $2.99 for one computer. It brings back the start menu and you can navigate by first letter. Check it out at

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

Hi,

]Actually, Windows 8.x Start screen (that’s what it’s called there) is very accessible. The only problem is that you can’t use first letter navigation (as in Windows 7 and earlier) to move to the program you want, although you can display all installed programs. Windows 10 is a different story, however.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: joanne [mailto:grandma1323@...]
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 10:19 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

 

Dave or others:  I had heard Windows 8.1 has no start menu that's accessible.  So when you put your programs on the desktop you'd recommend every program I use, since supposedly I won't be able to get to an actual start menu?  And did you find your programs by yourself or do I need to get sighted help finding my favorite programs?  I also heard there's some kind of annoying bar that pops up; can any tool bars that might get in the way be removed?

 

?

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Mitchel

Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:59 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

 

I use W8.1 and the first thing I did was send shortcuts for my programs to the desktop.

I use windows Live mail and find it very easy to use and navigate. I use window eyes (which I will not recommend) and NVDA. I do not have classic shell installed that I know of. I know I did not install it and I am the only one here to have done it.

I use the 64 bit W8.1 and there are a couple of my old programs (such as booksplit) which I continue to use.

Dave

 

From: joanne

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 9:32 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

 

I am going to be using Windows 8 on my laptop, and I know that one thing I will do to make it read better and easier to find programs is to install Classic Shell.  I use Jaws 16 and NVDA, and I prefer a very straightforward way to find programs or use the Internet which involves as many list views as possible.  Besides the suggestion I was given to use Classic Shell, are there other tips you can give to make this a way to navigate it so it works for me like 7 or even XP as far as the look or style of the program?  I will also be using Outlook Express or Windows Mail, whichever program you may recommend as being more stable.  Any help is very much appreciated.

 

Joanne


Re: Joseph: device manager

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi,
Have you figured out the make and model of your sound card? Although Windows
may think it has latest drivers, often there are newer drivers you need to
download.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Koppelmann [mailto:billmeister@samobile.net]
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 10:19 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Joseph: device manager

Hi Joseph,
I did just what you suggested and found the device manager and found that my
drivers are up to date supposedly, but I still can't get the headphone jack
to work, I wonder just what could I do to resolve this problem. I guess it's
possible that something is wrong with the jack, but I'd like to check other
things first. I did go in to the sound area and checked the volumes and they
all are set at 100, but unlike windows 7, you can't seem to press the
controll tab to get to another area, so what am I missing here.
Many thanks,
Bill


Re: tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi,

]Actually, Windows 8.x Start screen (that’s what it’s called there) is very accessible. The only problem is that you can’t use first letter navigation (as in Windows 7 and earlier) to move to the program you want, although you can display all installed programs. Windows 10 is a different story, however.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: joanne [mailto:grandma1323@...]
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 10:19 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

 

Dave or others:  I had heard Windows 8.1 has no start menu that's accessible.  So when you put your programs on the desktop you'd recommend every program I use, since supposedly I won't be able to get to an actual start menu?  And did you find your programs by yourself or do I need to get sighted help finding my favorite programs?  I also heard there's some kind of annoying bar that pops up; can any tool bars that might get in the way be removed?

 

?

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:59 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

 

I use W8.1 and the first thing I did was send shortcuts for my programs to the desktop.

I use windows Live mail and find it very easy to use and navigate. I use window eyes (which I will not recommend) and NVDA. I do not have classic shell installed that I know of. I know I did not install it and I am the only one here to have done it.

I use the 64 bit W8.1 and there are a couple of my old programs (such as booksplit) which I continue to use.

Dave

 

From: joanne

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 9:32 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

 

I am going to be using Windows 8 on my laptop, and I know that one thing I will do to make it read better and easier to find programs is to install Classic Shell.  I use Jaws 16 and NVDA, and I prefer a very straightforward way to find programs or use the Internet which involves as many list views as possible.  Besides the suggestion I was given to use Classic Shell, are there other tips you can give to make this a way to navigate it so it works for me like 7 or even XP as far as the look or style of the program?  I will also be using Outlook Express or Windows Mail, whichever program you may recommend as being more stable.  Any help is very much appreciated.

 

Joanne


Re: what is Web i.e. and is it still used?

Gene
 

I should add that, while I am unaware of any advantages that Webbie has over a modern browser and screen-reader, that doesn't mean there aren't any.  If you want to play with Webbie to see if it solves any annoyances or problems you may run into, you may find that there are times when it may, though I doubt it.   
 
I didn't play much with Webbie 4, my impression is that Webbie 3 is better.  I'm just leaving the door opened to the possibility that Webbie may be useful now and then but I doubt it, especially if you have Firefox and another browser on your machine to get a broader array of browser features.  Also, Webbie uses it's own commands that have no coorelation with screen-reader browse mode commands. 
 
Gene

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] what is Web i.e. and is it still used?

Webbie is a browser developed for blind people.  It had some use years ago when some people were using primitive screen-readers like the one called Thunder that had no browse mode and no effective way of working with web pages using a regular browser and before NVDA was developed.  There is little or no reason to use it now, especially since the one somewhat useful feature I know about is now available in Firefox.  Webbie has a feature that removes links from web pages and let's you read an article without lots of links in the middle and at the beginning of the page.  But now, firefox has a very similar feature.  I'd have to look at it again before discussing it further. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:35 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] what is Web i.e. and is it still used?

A friend is installing Windows 8 and asked if I wanted something called Web I.e. which he apparently found in a past version of Windows.  I don't know what it is but he wondered if it makes Internet Explorer more responsive, or if it's an obsolete program and doesn't work with higher versions of I.E.
 
Joanne


Carlos: thunderbird

Bill K <billmeister@...>
 

Hi Carlos,
I do have thunderbird on this computer, but I don't know how to set it up to use charter as they don't use the pop3 system as many other cable companies do. Is there a way you can give me a step by step direction for when you're in the tools area or whatever they call it so you can set it up?
thanks,
Bill


Re: tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

Gene
 

I don't know what you mean by wanting as many list views as possible.  You will be a much better Internet user and be able to do more and better by learning how to navigate efficiently with the page, and not rely on artificial structures some screen-readers provide as options.  There are good tutorials for learning how to use the Internet well and not be hampered on artificial structures.  I did a tutorial which is somewhat out of date by now but the first chapter, discussing the basics of web page navigation is still relevant, though some examples are no longer online.  But even though they are not there, listening to how I work with them may well give you a good idea.  If you want to listen to the first chapter, let me know and I'll upload the first chapter with some sample pages I use. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 9:32 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?
 
I am going to be using Windows 8 on my laptop, and I know that one thing I will do to make it read better and easier to find programs is to install Classic Shell.  I use Jaws 16 and NVDA, and I prefer a very straightforward way to find programs or use the Internet which involves as many list views as possible.  Besides the suggestion I was given to use Classic Shell, are there other tips you can give to make this a way to navigate it so it works for me like 7 or even XP as far as the look or style of the program?  I will also be using Outlook Express or Windows Mail, whichever program you may recommend as being more stable.  Any help is very much appreciated.
 
Joanne


Joseph: device manager

Bill K <billmeister@...>
 

Hi Joseph,
I did just what you suggested and found the device manager and found that my drivers are up to date supposedly, but I still can't get the headphone jack to work, I wonder just what could I do to resolve this problem. I guess it's possible that something is wrong with the jack, but I'd like to check other things first. I did go in to the sound area and checked the volumes and they all are set at 100, but unlike windows 7, you can't seem to press the controll tab to get to another area, so what am I missing here.
Many thanks,
Bill


Re: tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

joanne
 

Dave or others:  I had heard Windows 8.1 has no start menu that's accessible.  So when you put your programs on the desktop you'd recommend every program I use, since supposedly I won't be able to get to an actual start menu?  And did you find your programs by yourself or do I need to get sighted help finding my favorite programs?  I also heard there's some kind of annoying bar that pops up; can any tool bars that might get in the way be removed?
 
?

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

I use W8.1 and the first thing I did was send shortcuts for my programs to the desktop.
I use windows Live mail and find it very easy to use and navigate. I use window eyes (which I will not recommend) and NVDA. I do not have classic shell installed that I know of. I know I did not install it and I am the only one here to have done it.
I use the 64 bit W8.1 and there are a couple of my old programs (such as booksplit) which I continue to use.
Dave
 
From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 9:32 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?
 
I am going to be using Windows 8 on my laptop, and I know that one thing I will do to make it read better and easier to find programs is to install Classic Shell.  I use Jaws 16 and NVDA, and I prefer a very straightforward way to find programs or use the Internet which involves as many list views as possible.  Besides the suggestion I was given to use Classic Shell, are there other tips you can give to make this a way to navigate it so it works for me like 7 or even XP as far as the look or style of the program?  I will also be using Outlook Express or Windows Mail, whichever program you may recommend as being more stable.  Any help is very much appreciated.
 
Joanne


Re: what is Web i.e. and is it still used?

Gene
 

Webbie is a browser developed for blind people.  It had some use years ago when some people were using primitive screen-readers like the one called Thunder that had no browse mode and no effective way of working with web pages using a regular browser and before NVDA was developed.  There is little or no reason to use it now, especially since the one somewhat useful feature I know about is now available in Firefox.  Webbie has a feature that removes links from web pages and let's you read an article without lots of links in the middle and at the beginning of the page.  But now, firefox has a very similar feature.  I'd have to look at it again before discussing it further. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:35 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] what is Web i.e. and is it still used?

A friend is installing Windows 8 and asked if I wanted something called Web I.e. which he apparently found in a past version of Windows.  I don't know what it is but he wondered if it makes Internet Explorer more responsive, or if it's an obsolete program and doesn't work with higher versions of I.E.
 
Joanne


Re: Joseph: C cleaner

Bill K <billmeister@...>
 

Hi Joseph,
I guess I hadn't messed with the tools area, but I have this darn program that somehow got on my computer called my backup, and I have no way to get it off that I can find. I tried to use a program that I have to take programs out of windows that even goes through the registry and takes out all the info about that program, but revo uninstaller can't find that program, so I'm not sure just what to do about that.
Bill


Re: tips for making Windows 8 accessible?

Dave Mitchel <dbmitchel@...>
 

I use W8.1 and the first thing I did was send shortcuts for my programs to the desktop.
I use windows Live mail and find it very easy to use and navigate. I use window eyes (which I will not recommend) and NVDA. I do not have classic shell installed that I know of. I know I did not install it and I am the only one here to have done it.
I use the 64 bit W8.1 and there are a couple of my old programs (such as booksplit) which I continue to use.
Dave
 

From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 9:32 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] tips for making Windows 8 accessible?
 
I am going to be using Windows 8 on my laptop, and I know that one thing I will do to make it read better and easier to find programs is to install Classic Shell.  I use Jaws 16 and NVDA, and I prefer a very straightforward way to find programs or use the Internet which involves as many list views as possible.  Besides the suggestion I was given to use Classic Shell, are there other tips you can give to make this a way to navigate it so it works for me like 7 or even XP as far as the look or style of the program?  I will also be using Outlook Express or Windows Mail, whichever program you may recommend as being more stable.  Any help is very much appreciated.
 
Joanne


Re: what is Web i.e. and is it still used?

Carlos
 

Windows Mail is probably more stable.  You might also want to consider trying Windows Live mail.

----- Original Message -----
From: joanne
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] what is Web i.e. and is it still used?

A friend is installing Windows 8 and asked if I wanted something called Web I.e. which he apparently found in a past version of Windows.  I don't know what it is but he wondered if it makes Internet Explorer more responsive, or if it's an obsolete program and doesn't work with higher versions of I.E.
 
Joanne

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