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Re: New list moderator

Sylvia <sylvia0647@...>
 

Carlos, you have made a very wise choice. I'm confident that Gene will do an excellent job.

 

 

 

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 9:44 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] New list moderator

 

So, after not much consideration, I have assigned Gene moderator status.  I was honestly surprised that he has never previously been assigned this position on other lists since he seems quite suitable in my opinion.  For now I am not going to burden him with the responsibility of daily maintenance and moderating of the list since I would still like to gain some experience myself, but he does now have the power and can take charge/offer assistance when necessary if I for some reason mysteriously disappear or kick the bucket.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled program.


Re: New list moderator

Walter Ramage
 

Good descision, good choice. Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 05 September 2015 14:44
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] New list moderator

So, after not much consideration, I have assigned Gene moderator status. I
was honestly surprised that he has never previously been assigned this
position on other lists since he seems quite suitable in my opinion. For
now I am not going to burden him with the responsibility of daily
maintenance and moderating of the list since I would still like to gain some
experience myself, but he does now have the power and can take charge/offer
assistance when necessary if I for some reason mysteriously disappear or
kick the bucket.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled program.


New list moderator

Carlos
 

So, after not much consideration, I have assigned Gene moderator status.  I was honestly surprised that he has never previously been assigned this position on other lists since he seems quite suitable in my opinion.  For now I am not going to burden him with the responsibility of daily maintenance and moderating of the list since I would still like to gain some experience myself, but he does now have the power and can take charge/offer assistance when necessary if I for some reason mysteriously disappear or kick the bucket.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled program.


Re: Directed messages

Christina Stolze
 

What is blind-x about?

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons [mailto:akp@samobile.net]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 9:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages

Hi all,

Gene you mean you are actually expecting this profligate generation to
stop overquoting? The *only* place on the net where overquoting is
strictly managed is on any of the ICORS lists like Blind-x.

Getting people to quit overquoting is like pulling teeth or sending
water uphill or yelling at the bottom of a well filled with fethers.
They don't get it. They won't ever get it unless the list owner starts
out by suspending offenders, yeah, I mean it. They won't learn unless
the listowner has the hutz-pah to crack down on overquoting. Won't
happen. That reminds me, I have to post my semi-annual warning on
blind-x about overquoting.

Chuckling sardonically,
Ann P.

Original message:
This is a ridiculous practice. Someone starts a new thread, gives it a
new subject line, and doesn't delete the previous material from the
message body before writing a new message. So nothing quoted in the
message has any relevance. (In my view, list owners should really crack
down on this. It is a complete waste of useage limits if someone is on
some sort of restricted plan. It makes digests larger for no valid
reason. Sometimes eight or ten or more previous messages are retained.
thus, list members may receive the equivalent of eleven or twelve
messages instead of one.
--
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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@samobile.net
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Promoting the list

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Hi all,

Well, if Dean Martineau wants $700 to submit an ad to TTTT (Top Tech Tidbits for Thursday), then I ain't submitting nothin'. No, I think this is for ads to help defray cost of the web site, etc. It's not for just submitting info. Good grief $700.00? Heavens! I think you've got misinformation there.

Ann P.

Original message:

Is it true it is 700 dollars to submit an ad to tidbits?
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@gmail.com
From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@ripco.com]
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 3:03 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Promoting the list
I've been thinking a bit about how to promote the list. I'm not sure about this, but I think the person who edits Top Tech Tidbits would be willing to run an item about the list. Perhaps other list members would have other suggestions. I would say to wait before sending announcements to various places until this is discussed further but a little promotion might bring in many more members.
Gene
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Re: System Access, JAWS and NVDA

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Hi all,

Gene excellent message. I use SAM Net on this computer and Outlook on the other one. Expect to continue the practice when my new computers comes. there are advantages to both programs.

As Gene says, if you can tell us what you want to do with your 'puter, and how you are using it now, that would help us.

Ann P.

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Re: drop box?

Bharat
 

that will be under fpreferences under dropbox submenu that you can
reach through the systray icon.

On 9/5/15, Kliph <kliphzkorner@icloud.com> wrote:
I see that now, but the feature I am missing, is being able to pick the
location where I want my drop box folder. Is that still possible?
On Sep 5, 2015, at 1:58 AM, Bharat <bharat.b@gmail.com> wrote:

Cliffe,

it only gives that for the first time. actually It wants you to login
through the web interface. rest of it isz more or less the same as b
efore.

On 9/5/15, Kliph <kliphzkorner@icloud.com> wrote:
Well, I haven’t had to install drop box in over 2 years. But I did a
clean
install of both my windows and Mac today, and trying to install drop box
on
my PC, it keeps giving me a webpage to view my files, not the usual
choice
to select what folder I want the drop box folder to be in. Is it
possible
to get this view back, or do I have to deal with the new? I tried the
off
line installer, but it did the same thing. Thanks.







Re: Directed messages

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Hi all,

No, Melissa, let me explain.

First, a computer cannot distinguish between Directed Messages and Directing messages. It thinks they are separate threads. Thread hijacking is when sombody posts on a given thread something totally different from the original subject, say if the original subject is Barbecued chicken, and somebody starts talking about desktop computers.

Second, if you change the subject line of a given message, that's fine, and it is the right thing to do because it creates a divergent thread. Conversations are never linear.

Third, the problem of overquoting is an intirely separate issue.

Does this help to clarify?

As for learning the terminology, that comes with time. Threads and conversations are synonymous. If you have questions, just ask them. The only "dumb question" is the one that isn't asked.

Ann P.


Original message:

Hi group,
I will be the first to say that I'm pretty ignorant about how
newsgroups work so forgive me if my questions seem rote.
1. Say if you have a conversation/thread going with the title of
"Directed messages” every reply that doesn't change the subject of
"Directed messages” will stay there, right? That is how things with
newsgroups are supposed to go.
2. Now, if someone instead of making a completely new message only
changes the subject from "Directed messages " to "Directed messages
--hey John" and that person keeps everything in the thread, only
changing the subject and adding their comment it will still be grouped
with the other messages of the parent conversation/thread "Directed
messages " only with a subject change?
3. Then if someone takes a message in the "Directed messages”
conversation/thread, hit CTRL A and Delete, then fills out their own
subject and message because of stuff they can’t see it will still be
connected to the "Directed messages " conversation/thread despite
their attempt to change the subject?
In the case of #2, is that okay or a no-no or is that what is meant
with a slight subject change?
As for #3, that is called “thread-hi-jacking” and “over-quoting?” I
know that one is a no-no....
Is there a difference between thread and conversation? I thought they
were synonymous with each other. Or is it how email clients handle
them?
Personally I wish there were a page devoted to the terminology, rules,
and etiquette of newsgroups. If there is, someone point me to it,
because I hate feeling like a noob when I’ve been using computers for
what seems like forever. As an example, I didn't even have a good idea
of what "cross poisting" was until I got a talking to about it when I
did it.
Melissa
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EMAIL: akp@samobile.net
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Re: Directed messages

Flor Lynch
 

Carlos, et al.,

It's been my experience (using Windows Live Mail, and before that, Outlook Express) that, even where the original subject connoting a conversation was deleted and replaced by a new one, then as long as the poster's message is actually appearing in reply to other messages, even if they were deleted from the string that the poster is sending out, still the poster's message is retained as part of the conversation (which is - in Windows Live Mail - called 'view by date (conversation). Thus I have found, messages with no relation to the original subject, appearing in the same conversation as the originating subject for the thread, this notwithstanding that the poster has apparently deleted everything in the message body that they could.

The best way to guarantee that they're composing a new message entirely, therefore, is for the poster to press the new message keystroke (usually ctrl+n). Then the poster can introduce their own originating subject in its proper place.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 7:20 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages

A bit more clarification. Although I stated that your number 2 example
would be considered "thread highjacking", technically responding to a
message and starting a new completely unrelated or only somewhat related
conversation without even an attempt to change the subject line is
considered "thread highjacking". Although your number 2 example might still
be considered "thread highjacking" by many and it is certainly not good
practice.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Hi Melissa,

This is actually a mail list, not a newsgroup. Most Email clients have
facilities for managing newsgroups, but they are separate from standard
Email and are not handled in the same manner. I haven't subscribed to any
actual newsgroups in quite some time so I am probably not the best person to
explain the differences, but a mail list consists of standard Email. There
is no special grouping of related messages involved aside from that which is
performed by your client and it is done based on the subject line if you
have this feature enabled. This feature is usually referred to as "grouping
messages by conversation".
1. I'm not quite sure what you mean by stay there, but basically any
messages which have the same subject will be grouped by conversation. Again
assuming that you have this feature enabled.
2. No, since your client is grouping messages based on their subject,
modifying the subject at all means that this particular message will no
longer be grouped with messages from the original/parent conversation.
3. No, again since this is not actually a newsgroup, only the subject line
is being used by your client to sort related messages or quote unquote group
them by conversation.
In the case of number 2, this would not be considered acceptable and is
definitely a no-no since "hey John" really has nothing to do with "Directed
messages " and you should simply create a new message with the subject of
"hey John". LOL or even better,it should probably be moved to the chat
subgroup if it is likely to be an extended conversation since it is not tech
related.
As for number 3, that would not be considered "thread highjacking". Since
you deleted the subject and body of the original message, it is for all
practical purposes now a completely new message. Your client would from
that point group the new message with subsequent replies/messages which have
the same subject.
Technically, number 2 is what is considered "thread highjacking".
Usually the terms thread and conversation are in fact synonymous.
If anyone believes that any statements I have made in this reply are
incorrect or should be clarified, please feel free to say so.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Melissa Hammitt" <mjmarney@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Hi group,

I will be the first to say that I'm pretty ignorant about how
newsgroups work so forgive me if my questions seem rote.
1. Say if you have a conversation/thread going with the title of
"Directed messages” every reply that doesn't change the subject of
"Directed messages” will stay there, right? That is how things with
newsgroups are supposed to go.
2. Now, if someone instead of making a completely new message only
changes the subject from "Directed messages " to "Directed messages
--hey John" and that person keeps everything in the thread, only
changing the subject and adding their comment it will still be grouped
with the other messages of the parent conversation/thread "Directed
messages " only with a subject change?
3. Then if someone takes a message in the "Directed messages”
conversation/thread, hit CTRL A and Delete, then fills out their own
subject and message because of stuff they can’t see it will still be
connected to the "Directed messages " conversation/thread despite
their attempt to change the subject?
In the case of #2, is that okay or a no-no or is that what is meant
with a slight subject change?
As for #3, that is called “thread-hi-jacking” and “over-quoting?” I
know that one is a no-no....
Is there a difference between thread and conversation? I thought they
were synonymous with each other. Or is it how email clients handle
them?

Personally I wish there were a page devoted to the terminology, rules,
and etiquette of newsgroups. If there is, someone point me to it,
because I hate feeling like a noob when I’ve been using computers for
what seems like forever. As an example, I didn't even have a good idea
of what "cross poisting" was until I got a talking to about it when I
did it.

Melissa


On 9/4/15, Ann Parsons <akp@samobile.net> wrote:
Hi all,

Gene you mean you are actually expecting this profligate generation to
stop overquoting? The *only* place on the net where overquoting is
strictly managed is on any of the ICORS lists like Blind-x.

Getting people to quit overquoting is like pulling teeth or sending
water uphill or yelling at the bottom of a well filled with fethers.
They don't get it. They won't ever get it unless the list owner starts
out by suspending offenders, yeah, I mean it. They won't learn unless
the listowner has the hutz-pah to crack down on overquoting. Won't
happen. That reminds me, I have to post my semi-annual warning on
blind-x about overquoting.

Chuckling sardonically,
Ann P.

Original message:
This is a ridiculous practice. Someone starts a new thread, gives it a
new subject line, and doesn't delete the previous material from the
message body before writing a new message. So nothing quoted in the
message has any relevance. (In my view, list owners should really crack
down on this. It is a complete waste of useage limits if someone is on
some sort of restricted plan. It makes digests larger for no valid
reason. Sometimes eight or ten or more previous messages are retained.
thus, list members may receive the equivalent of eleven or twelve
messages instead of one.
--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@samobile.net
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."




Re: Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Chris G <jedikent@...>
 

Good points. Thought of them after I sent the message.
Thanks,
Chris

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On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 01:29:52 -0700
"Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
Not all computers come with these voices, and in older Windows versions,
SAPI and other Microsoft voices are notorious for causing performance
degradations.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris G [mailto:jedikent@mysticaccess.email]
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 1:01 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

I wonder why NVAccess doesn't switch to Microsoft speech platform as the
default voice.

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On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 18:38:31 -0400
"Laz" <laz@talkingmp3players.com> wrote:

That's a very good idea! The default voice is really horrible and I
personally know at least a handfull of people who didn't give NVDA a
chance due to that fact. Since I have phone conversations with folks
because of my business, I always recommend they try NVDA if the
subject of screen readers comes up and I've learned to add the
statement that they can change to a different language and variant or
even use a SAPI5 voice. I've helped a lot of people get set up with
the Microsoft Speech Platform 11 voices and they're very happy using
NVDA now. Laz

On 9/3/15, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
One of the things that turns off a lot of people to NVDA is E-Speak.
In my opinion, something should come up in the instalation sequence
asking people if they want to choose another voice and giving them
the selection of voices that are unrestricted on the computer. A
lot of people who don't know much about screen-readers simply assume
that it sounds the way it sounds and don't use it once they hear the
installation voice.

gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Marie
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 5:20 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA


Sorry, I saw on another email that it was Australian. either way In
my opinion it is bad. But I also realize that what one person thinks
is bad, another person likes it so I should keep this particular opinion
to myself.

My apologies.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:31 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Hi,

Actually, I believe e Speak is supposed to be British?

----- Original Message -----
From: Marie <magpie.mn@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Thursday, 3 September 2015 5:02 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA



I don't think there is anything wrong with your hearing when it
comes to ESpeak. It makes me want to grit my teeth trying to
understand it and to tolerate the very sound of it. I love
Australian accents but this is terrible. I will probably spend more
time trying to use and learn NVDA now that the voice is so much
more pleasant.
Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:07 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Good, I like NVDa; I just can't stand that ESpeak. It's too robotic
and the accent is too sharp. I don't have a problem with real
people with Australian accents; I understand them just fine.
Somehow, those voices are just too something. I've tried running
them real slow and still can't get used to them. Maybe it's my
hearing, or, perhaps I just need to try longer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:00 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Glad I could help. Be sure to run the Microsoft runtime file first
and then the zira-pro. I did this while NVDA was running and then
went into the Preferences setting then synthesizers and found the
voice. It is responsive and understandable.
Marie


original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:50 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Never mind, I lied, it did download. I just didn't get the noise I
usually get when something finishes. Thanks for sending me the link
again, Marie.


-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 9:39 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Monica,
If you download the zip file that was posted earlier, the correct
files are included. I just downloaded it and installed the runtime
file and the zira-pro voice on my desktop and I must say it is a
vast improvement over ESpeak. In case you missed the zip file, here
is the link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5Txao1DiiuvSXdoT3k0U0hHaHc/view"u
sp=sharing
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:34 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Is the 86 version on the page, or do have to find that somewhere else?
I'm
asking because you said the info was missing.


-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:09 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Gerald,

I hope the below helps. I noticed this info was missing on the page
from the link that was provided earlier.

Microsoft Speech Platform - Runtime (Version 11), x86. Note that
you must install the x86 version even if your system is 64 bit.

Laz

On 9/2/15, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

I installed these two apps, but when I accessed the NVDA
Synthesizer dialog

on the Preferences menu and selected Microsoft Speech Platform in
the combo

box and then clicked Okay, I got an error message that the
synthesizer could

not be loaded. Did I screw something up?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Blaster
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:42 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

You can get the updated speech runtime update and extra voices
from this
link:

http://pamgriffith.net/blog/alternative-voices-for-nvda/


I like the zira pro voice myself, Blaster







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Re: drop box?

Kliph
 

I see that now, but the feature I am missing, is being able to pick the location where I want my drop box folder. Is that still possible?

On Sep 5, 2015, at 1:58 AM, Bharat <bharat.b@gmail.com> wrote:

Cliffe,

it only gives that for the first time. actually It wants you to login
through the web interface. rest of it isz more or less the same as b
efore.

On 9/5/15, Kliph <kliphzkorner@icloud.com> wrote:
Well, I haven’t had to install drop box in over 2 years. But I did a clean
install of both my windows and Mac today, and trying to install drop box on
my PC, it keeps giving me a webpage to view my files, not the usual choice
to select what folder I want the drop box folder to be in. Is it possible
to get this view back, or do I have to deal with the new? I tried the off
line installer, but it did the same thing. Thanks.




Re: Promoting the list

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

No, it was just that you covered 2 points, and I replied to the second one. I can see why it is confusing, though.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Saturday, 5 September 2015 8:56 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Promoting the list



Ah I see. Since you were responding to my message, I assumed you
misunderstood.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Promoting the list


Hi Carlos,
I was referring to the high traffic, though.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Saturday, 5 September 2015 8:05 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Promoting the list



Hi Rajmund,
I was referring to the current number of list members, not the number of
messages in my inbox.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Promoting the list


LOL! That's me! In the last 4 days, I couldn't read everything before
school. I was above 180. Today, its only 166, although, its the
weekend.
But, there are ways around the traffic.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Promoting the list



179 members in a bit less than a week is not too bad. At least in my
opinion. If the number of members does not increase significantly
over
the next 2 or 3 weeks, then some promotion might not be unreasonable,
but
just keep in mind that some members already seem to be having a
problem
with the amount of traffic.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Frost
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Promoting the list


Hi,
With all due respect I question the necessity of doing such. It's
been
my experience that lists like other living organisms grow best when
tended well and left to their own devices and timing.
It seems to me that through word of mouth people who are meant to find
their way here will in due course.
Robin


From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 6:02 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Promoting the list

I've been thinking a bit about how to promote the list. I'm not sure
about this, but I think the person who edits Top Tech Tidbits would be
willing to run an item about the list. Perhaps other list members
would
have other suggestions. I would say to wait before sending
announcements
to various places until this is discussed further but a little
promotion
might bring in many more members.

Gene
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Re: Promoting the list

Carlos
 

Ah I see. Since you were responding to my message, I assumed you misunderstood.

----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Promoting the list


Hi Carlos,
I was referring to the high traffic, though.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Saturday, 5 September 2015 8:05 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Promoting the list



Hi Rajmund,
I was referring to the current number of list members, not the number of
messages in my inbox.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Promoting the list


LOL! That's me! In the last 4 days, I couldn't read everything before
school. I was above 180. Today, its only 166, although, its the weekend.
But, there are ways around the traffic.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Promoting the list



179 members in a bit less than a week is not too bad. At least in my
opinion. If the number of members does not increase significantly over
the next 2 or 3 weeks, then some promotion might not be unreasonable, but
just keep in mind that some members already seem to be having a problem
with the amount of traffic.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Frost
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Promoting the list


Hi,
With all due respect I question the necessity of doing such. It's been
my experience that lists like other living organisms grow best when
tended well and left to their own devices and timing.
It seems to me that through word of mouth people who are meant to find
their way here will in due course.
Robin


From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 6:02 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Promoting the list

I've been thinking a bit about how to promote the list. I'm not sure
about this, but I think the person who edits Top Tech Tidbits would be
willing to run an item about the list. Perhaps other list members would
have other suggestions. I would say to wait before sending announcements
to various places until this is discussed further but a little promotion
might bring in many more members.

Gene
Sent from a Braille Sense




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Re: Tbird threads

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
That's OK, but there are some others with note takers, around. So if they ever want to cause some extra work, they can get the note taker out and.... ;)

----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen <quentin.christensen@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Saturday, 5 September 2015 8:53 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tbird threads



That's ok, I wasn't picking on you, just saying why it happens to Alan :)

On 5/09/2015 5:24 PM, rajmund wrote:
Hi,
LOL, want to escape any threads, anyone? Use a note taker!!! :D
Still can't believe its happening, though.!

----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen <quentin.christensen@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Saturday, 5 September 2015 1:32 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tbird threads


No it's not you, it's some users who use e-mail clients (like on the
BrailleNote) which don't pass the message ID properly.

Every email you send has a unique message ID, when you reply to someone
on a list like this, your email client SHOULD send the new message ID,
as well as a line to indicate the message ID you are replying to. When
that happens, programs like Thunderbird know how to order the messages.

If you look in GMail's web interface for instance, it does group all the
messages, but very crudely and purely based on the subject and in order
of the time sent - so if we keep having this discussion here, but two
others are discussing Windows 10 at the same time in another part of the
thread (your message came as a reply on that thread), then the messages
will appear jumbled together in GMail, but be sorted properly in
Thunderbird.

Regards

Quentin.

On 5/09/2015 7:25 AM, Alan Siman wrote:
Using tbird 34.4 with threads on some messagescombine and some do not
apparently with the exact same subject.

Is there some setting I am missing to get all related messages into
one thread?
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Re: Tbird threads

Quentin Christensen
 

That's ok, I wasn't picking on you, just saying why it happens to Alan :)

On 5/09/2015 5:24 PM, rajmund wrote:
Hi,
LOL, want to escape any threads, anyone? Use a note taker!!! :D
Still can't believe its happening, though.!

----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen <quentin.christensen@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Saturday, 5 September 2015 1:32 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tbird threads


No it's not you, it's some users who use e-mail clients (like on the
BrailleNote) which don't pass the message ID properly.

Every email you send has a unique message ID, when you reply to someone
on a list like this, your email client SHOULD send the new message ID,
as well as a line to indicate the message ID you are replying to. When
that happens, programs like Thunderbird know how to order the messages.

If you look in GMail's web interface for instance, it does group all the
messages, but very crudely and purely based on the subject and in order
of the time sent - so if we keep having this discussion here, but two
others are discussing Windows 10 at the same time in another part of the
thread (your message came as a reply on that thread), then the messages
will appear jumbled together in GMail, but be sorted properly in
Thunderbird.

Regards

Quentin.

On 5/09/2015 7:25 AM, Alan Siman wrote:
Using tbird 34.4 with threads on some messagescombine and some do not
apparently with the exact same subject.

Is there some setting I am missing to get all related messages into
one thread?
--
22 Point

Web: http://www.22point.com.au Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/22Point Twitter: https://twitter.com/22PointApps

Our first book "Making Windows 10 Easy to See" is now available! - http://www.22point.com.au/publications.html

Check out our first app, RapiTap! - Tap targets fast & avoid decoys: Adrenaline pumping, Challenging, Accessible!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details"id=au.com.twentytwopoint.rapitap (Free trial available)



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--
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Our first book "Making Windows 10 Easy to See" is now available! - http://www.22point.com.au/publications.html

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Re: Promoting the list

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi Carlos,
I was referring to the high traffic, though.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Saturday, 5 September 2015 8:05 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Promoting the list



Hi Rajmund,
I was referring to the current number of list members, not the number of
messages in my inbox.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Promoting the list


LOL! That's me! In the last 4 days, I couldn't read everything before
school. I was above 180. Today, its only 166, although, its the weekend.
But, there are ways around the traffic.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Promoting the list



179 members in a bit less than a week is not too bad. At least in my
opinion. If the number of members does not increase significantly over
the next 2 or 3 weeks, then some promotion might not be unreasonable, but
just keep in mind that some members already seem to be having a problem
with the amount of traffic.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Frost
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Promoting the list


Hi,
With all due respect I question the necessity of doing such. It's been
my experience that lists like other living organisms grow best when
tended well and left to their own devices and timing.
It seems to me that through word of mouth people who are meant to find
their way here will in due course.
Robin


From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 6:02 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Promoting the list

I've been thinking a bit about how to promote the list. I'm not sure
about this, but I think the person who edits Top Tech Tidbits would be
willing to run an item about the list. Perhaps other list members would
have other suggestions. I would say to wait before sending announcements
to various places until this is discussed further but a little promotion
might bring in many more members.

Gene
Sent from a Braille Sense




Sent from a Braille Sense


Re: pop3 email settings

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

I didn't see jeans message.
Funny about the charter thing, and they told me they do not support pop so
couldn't help me.
Who helped you create your charter email? I hear the charter site is very
inaccessible.

If you could post jeans email that would be great.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Koppelmann [mailto:billmeister@samobile.net]
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 8:17 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] pop3 email settings

Hi Gene,
I've marked that page for later looking and thanks that someone knows more
than the people at charter support seem to know. go figure.
Bill


Re: carlos TWPE

Carlos
 

Hello Bharat,
Yes, you can use Win7PE to install Windows 10. Although if you simply want to upgrade, it is not required. The 32 or 64 bit images are separate, but you can of course install a 32 bit edition of Windows using the 64 bit image. Secure Boot should be disabled if you want to boot from the images. The images are not UEFI compatible at the moment so if your system is configured in UEFI instead of legacy BIOS mode, you will not be able to use them. I have been considering and researching methods for making the images capable of booting on systems configured in either UEFI or legacy BIOS mode, but there are some issues which may be difficult to overcome so I am not sure when or if such an update will be available. Yes, you can use Win7PE to restore images as well, taking into account all the above information and limitations of course.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bharat" <bharat.b@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 3:20 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] carlos TWPE


Hi Carlos,

I heard a tutorial on installing Windows with your TWPE. Here I would
like to ask a couple of thikngs regarding this. Can the same USB image
be used to install Windows 10 as well? are both the 64 bit & 32 bit
versions part of the same USB or would one need different TWPEs for
that? Also,what about things like secure boot & other UEFI boot &
other things while installing windows.

the gentleman who did the Tute also spoke of being able ot restore the
previously created windows images. What about them?

Please help.



Re: Directed messages

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi Flor,
Actually, I thought, too, that if you change the subject, it would be a new thread. But the original message is still there. That's my issue, personally.

----- Original Message -----
From: Flor Lynch <florlync@iol.ie>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Saturday, 5 September 2015 2:42 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages



Rajmund and all:

This is not disputing any of the foregoing in this thread.

There are many people who don't know what a 'conversation' or 'thread' means
in email terms. I've come across a few people who simply thought that, by
changing the subject line in an existing message thread as they contribute
their own message, they were writing a new - even original - message. And
neither did they know (until I told them) that their message would come out
in an existing thread for other subscribers who appreaciate and know the
value of organizing emails by conversation view. Alsom, there appear to be
some differences between how conversations/threads are defined by different
receiving email clients.

So it's best, if you're writing on a completely unrelated subject, of course
to begin a *completely* separte new message: or, as was said already by
Carlos and others, if your message is different (but still related at least
somewhat to the original) - to indicate or mark this in the subject field in
a noticeable way.

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 9:42 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages

Hi,
If let's say, I speak about IPhone, and you then ask about the differences
between apple and android, yes, that is related. But I often see someone
asking something about gmail, and there's something totally unrelated below.
Literally, all that needs to be done, is a select all, and delete.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 9:32 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages



I agree that you should start with a new message/subject if the topic is
completely unrelated to the original one, but I believe that modifying the
subject with a reference to the original topic is acceptable if it is at
least related.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Hi,
Can I add 2 things, please?
Keep the original message, and if possible, please, when you start a new
subject, and if a new thread, please, start a new message. I never liked
when the subject says microwaves, but turns out that the microwaves
message became a new thread from used laptops, let's say.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Directed messages



I agree with this and I would also like to emphasize keeping subject
lines consistent in general. I.E. If you would like to begin a
different
discussion, simply start with a new message. Or if what you have to
say
is at least related to the thread to which you are responding, but may
significantly side track the conversation, at least change the subject
to
reflect this. I will have to work to follow this rule myself since I
have not always been careful enough in this respect.
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L. Roberts
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:58 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Directed messages


Believe me, it is not my desire to cause a problem. But I am starting
to
see a problem on this list that frustrated me on the other list,
specifically Blindtech. I am talking about the practice of directing
messages to a specific individual in the subject line. I respectfully
suggest that if anyone wants to direct his message to an individual
that
he do so via private email. I say that because it screws up the
sorting
of threads badly when the actual subject is preceeded by the name of an
individual.

Don Roberts

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Re: Tbird threads

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
LOL, want to escape any threads, anyone? Use a note taker!!! :D
Still can't believe its happening, though.!

----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen <quentin.christensen@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Saturday, 5 September 2015 1:32 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Tbird threads



No it's not you, it's some users who use e-mail clients (like on the
BrailleNote) which don't pass the message ID properly.

Every email you send has a unique message ID, when you reply to someone
on a list like this, your email client SHOULD send the new message ID,
as well as a line to indicate the message ID you are replying to. When
that happens, programs like Thunderbird know how to order the messages.

If you look in GMail's web interface for instance, it does group all the
messages, but very crudely and purely based on the subject and in order
of the time sent - so if we keep having this discussion here, but two
others are discussing Windows 10 at the same time in another part of the
thread (your message came as a reply on that thread), then the messages
will appear jumbled together in GMail, but be sorted properly in
Thunderbird.

Regards

Quentin.

On 5/09/2015 7:25 AM, Alan Siman wrote:
Using tbird 34.4 with threads on some messagescombine and some do not
apparently with the exact same subject.

Is there some setting I am missing to get all related messages into
one thread?
--
22 Point

Web: http://www.22point.com.au Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/22Point Twitter: https://twitter.com/22PointApps

Our first book "Making Windows 10 Easy to See" is now available! - http://www.22point.com.au/publications.html

Check out our first app, RapiTap! - Tap targets fast & avoid decoys: Adrenaline pumping, Challenging, Accessible!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details"id=au.com.twentytwopoint.rapitap (Free trial available)



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