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Re: accessing an element on a website problem

Gene
 

Is there any way to run JAWS with factory defaults? There is in NVDA. You don't lose your settings but you can trouble shoot in that way.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 4:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem


Try changing schemes while in Chrome to see if anything changes.

Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Rams!
Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan via groups.io
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem


Lately, no.

On another list, yes I spoke of schemes but nothing was modified.





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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem







Okay, did you modify a scheme somewhere along the line so Jaws won't report clickable?




Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Rams!
Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.



----- Original Message -----



From: Kimsan via groups.io



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 1:58 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem







I actually found this tip on a google search from 2016 from a jaws list but in short that box was already checked.





Kimsan Song

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem







Yo Dog,







Check this setting from the steps below:



From: Carlos via BlindTech
In
"Settings Center"
under the
"Web / HTML / PDFs"
category, there is a subcategory labeled
"Miscellaneous"
Under
"Miscellaneous"
there is a setting labeled
"Indicate Element Attribute"
Unchecking this setting will stop Jaws from saying
"Clickable"
Although I would not recommend this since there are times when you will miss
out on elements of webpages that may be useful and are clickable.
Carlos



If that setting is unchecked, check it, to get clickable back.




Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Rams!
Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.



----- Original Message -----



From: Kimsan via groups.io



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:43 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem







Thanks Ron,

I cannot seem to hear the announcement of clickable though, and I’m trying to figure out how to turn it back on as I must’ve turned it off lol.





Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem





Hi Kinsam,

Navigate to the line of text that reads as follows:
This pack includes royalty free Melody loops, MIDI, and stems for every melody.

On the line just below this text is a group of items labeled clickable. There is no text associated with these 'clickable' items. Press enter on these items and the samples will play.

Repeat the process for each group of clickable items below and other samples will play.



On 11/20/2020 8:47 PM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:



Hi,

I’m using jaws 2020 and latest chrome.

If anyone has time, can someone navigate to this website and help me find the play button?

This site has soundpacks which are a collection of melodies etc. I’m trying to listen to some of the contents in one of the packs.

I cannot seem to locate the play button though.

So, if anyone would like to look and try, after going to the site, search for night, and night fall should pop up.

I would push enter, left mouse click, but cannot seem to play anything.

https://cymatics.fm/collections/store/products/gems-vol-10-rnb-melodies-collection#MainContent



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

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Re: accessing an element on a website problem

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Using Genes suggestion by loading another version of jaws and yours switching schemes, after trying multiple ones, its not reading the clickables using chrome.

I’m stumped.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

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Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 2:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Try changing schemes while in Chrome to see if anything changes.


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 2:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Lately, no.

On another list, yes I spoke of schemes but nothing was modified.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Okay, did you modify a scheme somewhere along the line so Jaws won't report clickable?


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

I actually found this tip on a google search from 2016 from a jaws list but in short that box was already checked.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Yo Dog,

 

Check this setting from the steps below:

From: Carlos via BlindTech
In
"Settings Center"
under the
"Web / HTML / PDFs"
category, there is a subcategory labeled
"Miscellaneous"
Under
"Miscellaneous"
there is a setting labeled
"Indicate Element Attribute"
Unchecking this setting will stop Jaws from saying
"Clickable"
Although I would not recommend this since there are times when you will miss
out on elements of webpages that may be useful and are clickable.
Carlos

If that setting is unchecked, check it, to get clickable back.


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:43 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Thanks Ron,

I cannot seem to hear the announcement of clickable though, and I’m trying to figure out how to turn it back on as I must’ve turned it off lol.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Hi Kinsam,

Navigate to the line of text that reads as follows:
This pack includes royalty free Melody loops, MIDI, and stems for every melody.

On the line just below this text is a group of items labeled clickable.  There is no text associated with these 'clickable' items.  Press enter on these items and the samples will play.

Repeat the process for each group of clickable items below and other samples will play.

On 11/20/2020 8:47 PM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using jaws 2020 and latest chrome.

If anyone has time, can someone navigate to this website and help me find the play button?

This site has soundpacks which are a collection of melodies etc. I’m trying to listen to some of the contents in one of the packs.

I cannot seem to locate the play button though.

So, if anyone would like to look and try, after going to the site, search for night, and night fall should pop up.

I would push enter, left mouse click, but cannot seem to play anything.

https://cymatics.fm/collections/store/products/gems-vol-10-rnb-melodies-collection#MainContent

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Apple vs Windows?

enes sarıbaş
 

Gene,

This is why  there  are two concepts, accessibility and usability. Making something accessible doesn't necesarily mean it is usable. For example, if it takes 20 keystrokes to achieve an action as opposed to  two, that is technically accessible, but not very usable. Also, didn't know about groupings. That is a good thing to know.

On 11/21/2020 4:56 PM, Gene wrote:
That is factually incorrect.  it isn't a matter of opinion.  Accessibility doesn't mean convenient.  It means that things can be reached from the keyboard, that they speak, and can be activated from the keyboard.

And as far as reaching things from the keyboard conveniently in ribbons is concerned, in my tutorial, I said that people who intend to use a certain ribbon command often remember the keyboard sequence, just as they do in menus.  And if you know the commands control right arrow and control left arrow to move by grouping, you can often get to what you want if you don't know where it is with reasonable efficiency.

If, for example, I am looking for reply to all in the ribbon version of Windows live mail, if I move by grouping, I can use control right arrow to move until I get to the respond grouping. That is logically where reply commands would be.  I then tab to reply to all if that is what I want.  If I stop when I get to the grouping, I will probably be on reply.

A lot of ribbons have far more items in them than a single menu. Moving by groupings significantly helps with that problem because you don't have to tab or shift tab by every item in the menu.  You move through groupings until you get to the one that logically would be expected to have whatever command or adjustment you are looking for.

If you want to say that menus are more convenient, that's a matter I won't argue, it’s a personal preference and I don't have much opinion.  But when it comes to accessibility, ribbons are accessible.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 4:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Gene,

While ribbons are more accessible than people give them credit for,
there is absolutely no doubt that menu bars were vastly superior in
terms of accessibility. Ribbons seemed to be designed with the mouse in
mind.

On 11/19/2020 12:49 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
no, I haven't, and find them a complete pane, as I just can't figure out how to find things easily in the flaming things.

Simon


----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?


Did you see my tutorial on ribbons?  I can't say how you will find them if you haven't seen it and now do, but in the majority of cases, people have a lot of probems witgh ribbons because they haven't been properly taught them or havenn't seen good instructional material, if any.  In essense, and it isn't quite this simple, but in essence, ribbons are like menus but differently organized.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: goshawk on horseback
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

would definitely agree about the time to figure out another OS.
I was recently looking to possibly get away from windows, as I am not happy
with the way it is going with all these ribbon menus and so on, so thought
about going the mac rout. only to find, that unlike windows, one can't even
do the basics with out knowing a good few 3 key plus combinations. so would
say that there is a lot more to have to spend time figuring out with the
mac, to do anything at all with it, where as windows is certainly a bit
easier from that point.

as for the mobile side of things, I use both iPhone and android, and would
say that once one is used to using a touch screen, that is a good half the
battle. over all, I probably prefer the iPhone, but do prefer the android as
a media device, as getting stuff on and off of it is a lot easier, as it can
be done with standard windows explorer, rather than the messing about with
iTunes, to get stuff on or off of the iPhone.

Simon


----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?


I'm not sure there is an answer.  for the typical user, I doubt there is a meaningful advantage one way or the other.  I won't use Apple computers because I know Windows and it isn't worth my time and effort learning another operating system when I am already very profficient in one.

there may be some specific uses that are better dealt with in apple computers and some in Windows but I don't think, as I said, that for the typical user, it matters.

Then there is the cost of  Apple computers.  You pay a lot more.

I won't comment on mobile devices.  I haven't used smart mobile devices.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dave
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:08 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Hello,


For those who have both, or experience with both Systems, Which has the
better support when it comes to over all Accessibility?


Not trying to start World War 8, but I keep noticing lots of articles
and pod casts explaining Apple Accessibility features. this would cover
the Apple Mac, the I-Pad, and the I-Phone.


I don't own an Apple products, but am open to it.  With what seems to be
an increase in articles, over the last year or two, it just had me
wondering how good are the Apple products?


I find all the Operating Systems to be lacking when it comes to
Accessibility.  Seems like we move ahead one or two steps, then take a
step or two back.


I personally use Windows and Android.  have yet to own anything Apple.


Grumpy Dave






























Re: Apple vs Windows?

enes sarıbaş
 

But the advantage is that for a few instances, features intended for sighted help out blind people as well. For example, if voice commands improved significantly, and worked to perform any action, I could use it to  perform a function not accessible in a program.

On 11/19/2020 9:27 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 10:08 AM, Dave wrote:
I find all the Operating Systems to be lacking when it comes to Accessibility.  Seems like we move ahead one or two steps, then take a step or two back.
-
Then you will find Apple, iOS, and OSX no different.

Accessibility, as a whole, is a workaround.  It is the substitution of one sensory modality for material designed for another, and that substitution will never be "perfect" or even close to it.  All sorts of compromises have to be decided upon when trying to make something intended for one sensory modality accessible in another.

And while I'm entirely in agreement with the "one or two steps forward, then a seeming step or two back" feeling, it's not the truth in actuality.  It's been a steady march in one direction, forward.  But the problem is that technology, and particularly that related to the web and web coding, continues to move at an insanely rapid pace, so those in the business of providing accessibility are always in the position of playing catch-up.  Even if accessibility is "as close to perfect" as it can get today, a couple of small changes breaks that near perfection, creating stumbling blocks.  But that's not the same as true reversion - a true couple of steps back.  It's that the pace of what's new that has to be caught-up to, and how quickly (or not) that can be achieved ebbs and flows.

The arc of accessibility is, and has been, going in only one direction for decades now - forward.  That there have been some pretty darned frustrating bumps in that road, and that those will continue to occur at times, is undeniable.  That doesn't mean, in any true sense, that accessibility is getting worse.  The pursuit of accessibility will always include an element of break-fix, particularly with the introduction of truly novel constructs.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gene
 

That is factually incorrect. it isn't a matter of opinion. Accessibility doesn't mean convenient. It means that things can be reached from the keyboard, that they speak, and can be activated from the keyboard.

And as far as reaching things from the keyboard conveniently in ribbons is concerned, in my tutorial, I said that people who intend to use a certain ribbon command often remember the keyboard sequence, just as they do in menus. And if you know the commands control right arrow and control left arrow to move by grouping, you can often get to what you want if you don't know where it is with reasonable efficiency.

If, for example, I am looking for reply to all in the ribbon version of Windows live mail, if I move by grouping, I can use control right arrow to move until I get to the respond grouping. That is logically where reply commands would be. I then tab to reply to all if that is what I want. If I stop when I get to the grouping, I will probably be on reply.

A lot of ribbons have far more items in them than a single menu. Moving by groupings significantly helps with that problem because you don't have to tab or shift tab by every item in the menu. You move through groupings until you get to the one that logically would be expected to have whatever command or adjustment you are looking for.

If you want to say that menus are more convenient, that's a matter I won't argue, it’s a personal preference and I don't have much opinion. But when it comes to accessibility, ribbons are accessible.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 4:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Gene,

While ribbons are more accessible than people give them credit for,
there is absolutely no doubt that menu bars were vastly superior in
terms of accessibility. Ribbons seemed to be designed with the mouse in
mind.

On 11/19/2020 12:49 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
no, I haven't, and find them a complete pane, as I just can't figure out how to find things easily in the flaming things.

Simon


----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?


Did you see my tutorial on ribbons? I can't say how you will find them if you haven't seen it and now do, but in the majority of cases, people have a lot of probems witgh ribbons because they haven't been properly taught them or havenn't seen good instructional material, if any. In essense, and it isn't quite this simple, but in essence, ribbons are like menus but differently organized.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: goshawk on horseback
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

would definitely agree about the time to figure out another OS.
I was recently looking to possibly get away from windows, as I am not happy
with the way it is going with all these ribbon menus and so on, so thought
about going the mac rout. only to find, that unlike windows, one can't even
do the basics with out knowing a good few 3 key plus combinations. so would
say that there is a lot more to have to spend time figuring out with the
mac, to do anything at all with it, where as windows is certainly a bit
easier from that point.

as for the mobile side of things, I use both iPhone and android, and would
say that once one is used to using a touch screen, that is a good half the
battle. over all, I probably prefer the iPhone, but do prefer the android as
a media device, as getting stuff on and off of it is a lot easier, as it can
be done with standard windows explorer, rather than the messing about with
iTunes, to get stuff on or off of the iPhone.

Simon


----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?


I'm not sure there is an answer. for the typical user, I doubt there is a meaningful advantage one way or the other. I won't use Apple computers because I know Windows and it isn't worth my time and effort learning another operating system when I am already very profficient in one.

there may be some specific uses that are better dealt with in apple computers and some in Windows but I don't think, as I said, that for the typical user, it matters.

Then there is the cost of Apple computers. You pay a lot more.

I won't comment on mobile devices. I haven't used smart mobile devices.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dave
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:08 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Hello,


For those who have both, or experience with both Systems, Which has the
better support when it comes to over all Accessibility?


Not trying to start World War 8, but I keep noticing lots of articles
and pod casts explaining Apple Accessibility features. this would cover
the Apple Mac, the I-Pad, and the I-Phone.


I don't own an Apple products, but am open to it. With what seems to be
an increase in articles, over the last year or two, it just had me
wondering how good are the Apple products?


I find all the Operating Systems to be lacking when it comes to
Accessibility. Seems like we move ahead one or two steps, then take a
step or two back.


I personally use Windows and Android. have yet to own anything Apple.


Grumpy Dave
























Re: Apple vs Windows?

enes sarıbaş
 

Yes Gene I agree.

For example, we disagree vastly on computer specifications that are necesary for regular users and pricepoints. However, I  have always kept criticisms at ideas, rather than people, and have not made personal comments.

On 11/20/2020 3:13 PM, Gene wrote:
I know you didn't like them but I didn't know what you thought now.

I don't mind someone making a strong case or having a strong opinion, if they don't resort to personal attacks.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 2:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Hi Gene,

I totally agree and BTW, I HATE! ribbons.  I learn to use them and hold
my nose and my stomach and get by.


On 11/20/2020 11:53 AM, Gene wrote:
Why are you always threatening to leave? Accusing someone of whining like a three year old is a violation of the lists rule against abusive messages and all other such lists I've been a member of have such rules as well.

You don't motivate people  to learn or to want to listen to what you are saying by insulting them.  Encouraging people to learn is one thing. Discussing the importance  or the benefits of learning ribbons is one thing. Saying that if you learn ribbons may help you have more confidence when learning something else that may appear difficult at first, is fine. Saying someone is whining like a three year old is not.

Blind people come from all sorts of backgrounds.  Some have good training, some don't.  Some have more aptitude for learning computer-related concepts, and some people find learning computer-related things more difficult.

Some people come from backgrounds where family and friends have taught them not to have confidence.  Others come from backgrounds where they have been taught to have confidence.

If this were a rehabilitation facility, putting pressure on blind people to learn certain skills would be necessary.  Some people would lack the confidence to learn without being put under some pressure to achieve so they see that they can.  But this and other such lists aren't rehabilitation institutions. They are lists for learning and help.  Lists where blind people from all sorts of backgrounds, at all sorts of levels of knowledge gather to give and get help.  Encouragement is fine, not insults.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:
Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave.  There seems to be this notion that all assistance has to "be nice."  Well, it doesn't, and very often, it shouldn't be.  We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any thing, and also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, and instead do what's called for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for." And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every instance, or even many instances.  I'm trying to get them to actually do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the exact information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in many cases.  This is one of them.


Re: accessing an element on a website problem

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Try changing schemes while in Chrome to see if anything changes.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

Lately, no.

On another list, yes I spoke of schemes but nothing was modified.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Okay, did you modify a scheme somewhere along the line so Jaws won't report clickable?


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

I actually found this tip on a google search from 2016 from a jaws list but in short that box was already checked.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Yo Dog,

 

Check this setting from the steps below:

From: Carlos via BlindTech
In
"Settings Center"
under the
"Web / HTML / PDFs"
category, there is a subcategory labeled
"Miscellaneous"
Under
"Miscellaneous"
there is a setting labeled
"Indicate Element Attribute"
Unchecking this setting will stop Jaws from saying
"Clickable"
Although I would not recommend this since there are times when you will miss
out on elements of webpages that may be useful and are clickable.
Carlos

If that setting is unchecked, check it, to get clickable back.


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:43 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Thanks Ron,

I cannot seem to hear the announcement of clickable though, and I’m trying to figure out how to turn it back on as I must’ve turned it off lol.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Hi Kinsam,

Navigate to the line of text that reads as follows:
This pack includes royalty free Melody loops, MIDI, and stems for every melody.

On the line just below this text is a group of items labeled clickable.  There is no text associated with these 'clickable' items.  Press enter on these items and the samples will play.

Repeat the process for each group of clickable items below and other samples will play.

On 11/20/2020 8:47 PM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using jaws 2020 and latest chrome.

If anyone has time, can someone navigate to this website and help me find the play button?

This site has soundpacks which are a collection of melodies etc. I’m trying to listen to some of the contents in one of the packs.

I cannot seem to locate the play button though.

So, if anyone would like to look and try, after going to the site, search for night, and night fall should pop up.

I would push enter, left mouse click, but cannot seem to play anything.

https://cymatics.fm/collections/store/products/gems-vol-10-rnb-melodies-collection#MainContent

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Apple vs Windows?

enes sarıbaş
 

Gene,

While ribbons are more accessible than people give them credit for, there is absolutely no doubt that menu bars were vastly superior in terms of accessibility. Ribbons seemed to be designed with the mouse in mind.

On 11/19/2020 12:49 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
no, I haven't, and find them a complete pane, as I just can't figure out how to find things easily in the flaming things.

Simon


----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?


Did you see my tutorial on ribbons?  I can't say how you will find them if you haven't seen it and now do, but in the majority of cases, people have a lot of probems witgh ribbons because they haven't been properly taught them or havenn't seen good instructional material, if any.  In essense, and it isn't quite this simple, but in essence, ribbons are like menus but differently organized.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: goshawk on horseback
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

would definitely agree about the time to figure out another OS.
I was recently looking to possibly get away from windows, as I am not happy
with the way it is going with all these ribbon menus and so on, so thought
about going the mac rout. only to find, that unlike windows, one can't even
do the basics with out knowing a good few 3 key plus combinations. so would
say that there is a lot more to have to spend time figuring out with the
mac, to do anything at all with it, where as windows is certainly a bit
easier from that point.

as for the mobile side of things, I use both iPhone and android, and would
say that once one is used to using a touch screen, that is a good half the
battle. over all, I probably prefer the iPhone, but do prefer the android as
a media device, as getting stuff on and off of it is a lot easier, as it can
be done with standard windows explorer, rather than the messing about with
iTunes, to get stuff on or off of the iPhone.

Simon


----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?


I'm not sure there is an answer.  for the typical user, I doubt there is a meaningful advantage one way or the other.  I won't use Apple computers because I know Windows and it isn't worth my time and effort learning another operating system when I am already very profficient in one.

there may be some specific uses that are better dealt with in apple computers and some in Windows but I don't think, as I said, that for the typical user, it matters.

Then there is the cost of  Apple computers.  You pay a lot more.

I won't comment on mobile devices.  I haven't used smart mobile devices.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dave
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:08 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Hello,


For those who have both, or experience with both Systems, Which has the
better support when it comes to over all Accessibility?


Not trying to start World War 8, but I keep noticing lots of articles
and pod casts explaining Apple Accessibility features. this would cover
the Apple Mac, the I-Pad, and the I-Phone.


I don't own an Apple products, but am open to it.  With what seems to be
an increase in articles, over the last year or two, it just had me
wondering how good are the Apple products?


I find all the Operating Systems to be lacking when it comes to
Accessibility.  Seems like we move ahead one or two steps, then take a
step or two back.


I personally use Windows and Android.  have yet to own anything Apple.


Grumpy Dave























Re: Apple vs Windows?

enes sarıbaş
 

Brian,

I totally agree with you on this. Like if I found uac annoying and invasive, or windows firewall, or the spectre/meltdown pprocessor patches, I can completely disable any of  these on my windows pc. But for my phone, I use Apple, because I see my phone as a toy more than an actual computer, and it performs a limited number of things. Also, the accessibility advantage of IOS.

On 11/19/2020 10:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM, Gene wrote:
With Apple, you get what you get.
-
Yup.  Apple exercises an iron fist in controlling its ecosystem while Microsoft has had a "come one, come all!!" attitude toward third party developers for as long as I've been in the business.

My line about Apple is that you must become one with the borg when you go Apple.  They know what's best for you and you'll get what they deign to give you.  That's why I parted ways with them decades ago.  I want a lot more control over my computing environment than I could ever get with Apple products.

Others, will, of course, feel differently.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: accessing an element on a website problem

Gene
 

I'm not sure what is causing the problem. You may or may not find out. The easiest thing to do might be to use a different screen-reader for such problems. I don't know enough about Narrator in Windows 10 to discuss that. I can tell you that using NVDA for browsing is very similar to using JAWS and for the occasional page or site, you would have to learn very little.

Or you could install a different version of JAWS with the installer, thus having a completely unmodified version and see if that solves the problem. As you likely know, you can have a lot of completely unrelated installations of JAWS on your machine.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Kimsan via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 4:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem



Lately, no.

On another list, yes I spoke of schemes but nothing was modified.





Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem







Okay, did you modify a scheme somewhere along the line so Jaws won't report clickable?




Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Rams!
Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.



----- Original Message -----



From: Kimsan via groups.io



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 1:58 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem







I actually found this tip on a google search from 2016 from a jaws list but in short that box was already checked.





Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem







Yo Dog,







Check this setting from the steps below:



From: Carlos via BlindTech
In
"Settings Center"
under the
"Web / HTML / PDFs"
category, there is a subcategory labeled
"Miscellaneous"
Under
"Miscellaneous"
there is a setting labeled
"Indicate Element Attribute"
Unchecking this setting will stop Jaws from saying
"Clickable"
Although I would not recommend this since there are times when you will miss
out on elements of webpages that may be useful and are clickable.
Carlos



If that setting is unchecked, check it, to get clickable back.




Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Rams!
Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.



----- Original Message -----



From: Kimsan via groups.io



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:43 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem







Thanks Ron,

I cannot seem to hear the announcement of clickable though, and I’m trying to figure out how to turn it back on as I must’ve turned it off lol.





Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem





Hi Kinsam,

Navigate to the line of text that reads as follows:
This pack includes royalty free Melody loops, MIDI, and stems for every melody.

On the line just below this text is a group of items labeled clickable. There is no text associated with these 'clickable' items. Press enter on these items and the samples will play.

Repeat the process for each group of clickable items below and other samples will play.



On 11/20/2020 8:47 PM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:



Hi,

I’m using jaws 2020 and latest chrome.

If anyone has time, can someone navigate to this website and help me find the play button?

This site has soundpacks which are a collection of melodies etc. I’m trying to listen to some of the contents in one of the packs.

I cannot seem to locate the play button though.

So, if anyone would like to look and try, after going to the site, search for night, and night fall should pop up.

I would push enter, left mouse click, but cannot seem to play anything.

https://cymatics.fm/collections/store/products/gems-vol-10-rnb-melodies-collection#MainContent



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng







-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.They ask: "How Happy are You?"I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: accessing an element on a website problem

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Lately, no.

On another list, yes I spoke of schemes but nothing was modified.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Okay, did you modify a scheme somewhere along the line so Jaws won't report clickable?


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

I actually found this tip on a google search from 2016 from a jaws list but in short that box was already checked.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Yo Dog,

 

Check this setting from the steps below:

From: Carlos via BlindTech
In
"Settings Center"
under the
"Web / HTML / PDFs"
category, there is a subcategory labeled
"Miscellaneous"
Under
"Miscellaneous"
there is a setting labeled
"Indicate Element Attribute"
Unchecking this setting will stop Jaws from saying
"Clickable"
Although I would not recommend this since there are times when you will miss
out on elements of webpages that may be useful and are clickable.
Carlos

If that setting is unchecked, check it, to get clickable back.


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:43 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Thanks Ron,

I cannot seem to hear the announcement of clickable though, and I’m trying to figure out how to turn it back on as I must’ve turned it off lol.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Hi Kinsam,

Navigate to the line of text that reads as follows:
This pack includes royalty free Melody loops, MIDI, and stems for every melody.

On the line just below this text is a group of items labeled clickable.  There is no text associated with these 'clickable' items.  Press enter on these items and the samples will play.

Repeat the process for each group of clickable items below and other samples will play.

On 11/20/2020 8:47 PM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using jaws 2020 and latest chrome.

If anyone has time, can someone navigate to this website and help me find the play button?

This site has soundpacks which are a collection of melodies etc. I’m trying to listen to some of the contents in one of the packs.

I cannot seem to locate the play button though.

So, if anyone would like to look and try, after going to the site, search for night, and night fall should pop up.

I would push enter, left mouse click, but cannot seem to play anything.

https://cymatics.fm/collections/store/products/gems-vol-10-rnb-melodies-collection#MainContent

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: accessing an element on a website problem

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Okay, did you modify a scheme somewhere along the line so Jaws won't report clickable?

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

I actually found this tip on a google search from 2016 from a jaws list but in short that box was already checked.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Yo Dog,

 

Check this setting from the steps below:

From: Carlos via BlindTech
In
"Settings Center"
under the
"Web / HTML / PDFs"
category, there is a subcategory labeled
"Miscellaneous"
Under
"Miscellaneous"
there is a setting labeled
"Indicate Element Attribute"
Unchecking this setting will stop Jaws from saying
"Clickable"
Although I would not recommend this since there are times when you will miss
out on elements of webpages that may be useful and are clickable.
Carlos

If that setting is unchecked, check it, to get clickable back.


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:43 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Thanks Ron,

I cannot seem to hear the announcement of clickable though, and I’m trying to figure out how to turn it back on as I must’ve turned it off lol.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Hi Kinsam,

Navigate to the line of text that reads as follows:
This pack includes royalty free Melody loops, MIDI, and stems for every melody.

On the line just below this text is a group of items labeled clickable.  There is no text associated with these 'clickable' items.  Press enter on these items and the samples will play.

Repeat the process for each group of clickable items below and other samples will play.

On 11/20/2020 8:47 PM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using jaws 2020 and latest chrome.

If anyone has time, can someone navigate to this website and help me find the play button?

This site has soundpacks which are a collection of melodies etc. I’m trying to listen to some of the contents in one of the packs.

I cannot seem to locate the play button though.

So, if anyone would like to look and try, after going to the site, search for night, and night fall should pop up.

I would push enter, left mouse click, but cannot seem to play anything.

https://cymatics.fm/collections/store/products/gems-vol-10-rnb-melodies-collection#MainContent

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: accessing an element on a website problem

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

I actually found this tip on a google search from 2016 from a jaws list but in short that box was already checked.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Yo Dog,

 

Check this setting from the steps below:

From: Carlos via BlindTech
In
"Settings Center"
under the
"Web / HTML / PDFs"
category, there is a subcategory labeled
"Miscellaneous"
Under
"Miscellaneous"
there is a setting labeled
"Indicate Element Attribute"
Unchecking this setting will stop Jaws from saying
"Clickable"
Although I would not recommend this since there are times when you will miss
out on elements of webpages that may be useful and are clickable.
Carlos

If that setting is unchecked, check it, to get clickable back.


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:43 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Thanks Ron,

I cannot seem to hear the announcement of clickable though, and I’m trying to figure out how to turn it back on as I must’ve turned it off lol.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Hi Kinsam,

Navigate to the line of text that reads as follows:
This pack includes royalty free Melody loops, MIDI, and stems for every melody.

On the line just below this text is a group of items labeled clickable.  There is no text associated with these 'clickable' items.  Press enter on these items and the samples will play.

Repeat the process for each group of clickable items below and other samples will play.

On 11/20/2020 8:47 PM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using jaws 2020 and latest chrome.

If anyone has time, can someone navigate to this website and help me find the play button?

This site has soundpacks which are a collection of melodies etc. I’m trying to listen to some of the contents in one of the packs.

I cannot seem to locate the play button though.

So, if anyone would like to look and try, after going to the site, search for night, and night fall should pop up.

I would push enter, left mouse click, but cannot seem to play anything.

https://cymatics.fm/collections/store/products/gems-vol-10-rnb-melodies-collection#MainContent

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


pot player

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

hi guys
 
does any of you use pot player?
for windows?
if so how accessible it is


Re: accessing an element on a website problem

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Yo Dog,
 
Check this setting from the steps below:
From: Carlos via BlindTech
In
"Settings Center"
under the
"Web / HTML / PDFs"
category, there is a subcategory labeled
"Miscellaneous"
Under
"Miscellaneous"
there is a setting labeled
"Indicate Element Attribute"
Unchecking this setting will stop Jaws from saying
"Clickable"
Although I would not recommend this since there are times when you will miss
out on elements of webpages that may be useful and are clickable.
Carlos
If that setting is unchecked, check it, to get clickable back.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

Thanks Ron,

I cannot seem to hear the announcement of clickable though, and I’m trying to figure out how to turn it back on as I must’ve turned it off lol.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Hi Kinsam,

Navigate to the line of text that reads as follows:
This pack includes royalty free Melody loops, MIDI, and stems for every melody.

On the line just below this text is a group of items labeled clickable.  There is no text associated with these 'clickable' items.  Press enter on these items and the samples will play.

Repeat the process for each group of clickable items below and other samples will play.

On 11/20/2020 8:47 PM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using jaws 2020 and latest chrome.

If anyone has time, can someone navigate to this website and help me find the play button?

This site has soundpacks which are a collection of melodies etc. I’m trying to listen to some of the contents in one of the packs.

I cannot seem to locate the play button though.

So, if anyone would like to look and try, after going to the site, search for night, and night fall should pop up.

I would push enter, left mouse click, but cannot seem to play anything.

https://cymatics.fm/collections/store/products/gems-vol-10-rnb-melodies-collection#MainContent

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: accessing an element on a website problem

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Good morning Gene,

No-go here for me. It did not work nor echo anything about a clickable.

Hopefully, I can figure something out before the black Friday promotion ends.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 5:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

For now, try the following:

I would think that if you turn the announcement of clickable off, there would still be a line with no speech if you run across an unlabeled item that says clickable. 

 

Starting from the top of the page, search for the word loops.  You will be one line above the first clickable item.  Down arrow once and press enter.

Down arrow again and you will probably hear nothing.

Down arrowing again should place you on the name of the item you clicked to hear.

Down arrow again and you are on another clickable item.  Press enter.  Continue the same procedure to hear all the items.  There are around four or five.

 

It is very likely someone will send you instructions to turn on announcement of clickable items this morning or maybe as late as this afternoon.  If not, I'll send a discussion I found on the subject which may be more cumbersome to find the information in than just a set of instructions, but its there.

 

Gene

On 11/21/2020 12:43 AM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:

Thanks Ron,

I cannot seem to hear the announcement of clickable though, and I’m trying to figure out how to turn it back on as I must’ve turned it off lol.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Hi Kinsam,

Navigate to the line of text that reads as follows:
This pack includes royalty free Melody loops, MIDI, and stems for every melody.

On the line just below this text is a group of items labeled clickable.  There is no text associated with these 'clickable' items.  Press enter on these items and the samples will play.

Repeat the process for each group of clickable items below and other samples will play.

On 11/20/2020 8:47 PM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using jaws 2020 and latest chrome.

If anyone has time, can someone navigate to this website and help me find the play button?

This site has soundpacks which are a collection of melodies etc. I’m trying to listen to some of the contents in one of the packs.

I cannot seem to locate the play button though.

So, if anyone would like to look and try, after going to the site, search for night, and night fall should pop up.

I would push enter, left mouse click, but cannot seem to play anything.

https://cymatics.fm/collections/store/products/gems-vol-10-rnb-melodies-collection#MainContent

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Where does one get portable?, was Re: does anyone know about OE classic?

Gene
 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Sanfilippo
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 8:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Where does one get portable?, was Re: does anyone know about OE classic?

Hi Folks, hopte this change I made is ok.

I've downloaded a portable version of Thunderbird, but held back installing in case it may be something of a trojan. Is there a dependable link to a proper version? I had no luck on Thunderbird.net.

Help appreciated.

John S


Where does one get portable?, was Re: does anyone know about OE classic?

John Sanfilippo
 

Hi Folks, hopte this change I made is ok. 

I've downloaded a portable version of Thunderbird, but held back installing in case it may be something of a trojan. Is there a dependable link to a proper version? I had no luck on Thunderbird.net.

Help appreciated.

John S


Re: accessing an element on a website problem

Gene
 

For now, try the following:

I would think that if you turn the announcement of clickable off, there would still be a line with no speech if you run across an unlabeled item that says clickable. 


Starting from the top of the page, search for the word loops.  You will be one line above the first clickable item.  Down arrow once and press enter.

Down arrow again and you will probably hear nothing.

Down arrowing again should place you on the name of the item you clicked to hear.

Down arrow again and you are on another clickable item.  Press enter.  Continue the same procedure to hear all the items.  There are around four or five.


It is very likely someone will send you instructions to turn on announcement of clickable items this morning or maybe as late as this afternoon.  If not, I'll send a discussion I found on the subject which may be more cumbersome to find the information in than just a set of instructions, but its there.


Gene

On 11/21/2020 12:43 AM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:

Thanks Ron,

I cannot seem to hear the announcement of clickable though, and I’m trying to figure out how to turn it back on as I must’ve turned it off lol.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

 

Hi Kinsam,

Navigate to the line of text that reads as follows:
This pack includes royalty free Melody loops, MIDI, and stems for every melody.

On the line just below this text is a group of items labeled clickable.  There is no text associated with these 'clickable' items.  Press enter on these items and the samples will play.

Repeat the process for each group of clickable items below and other samples will play.

On 11/20/2020 8:47 PM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

I’m using jaws 2020 and latest chrome.

If anyone has time, can someone navigate to this website and help me find the play button?

This site has soundpacks which are a collection of melodies etc. I’m trying to listen to some of the contents in one of the packs.

I cannot seem to locate the play button though.

So, if anyone would like to look and try, after going to the site, search for night, and night fall should pop up.

I would push enter, left mouse click, but cannot seem to play anything.

https://cymatics.fm/collections/store/products/gems-vol-10-rnb-melodies-collection#MainContent

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Rebooting into Safe Mode in Windows 10

Steve Matzura
 

Sorry, I can't do that for two reasons. One, I've lost access to the administrator account, which is why I need to go into Safe Mode in the first place, and two, fast startup is already off. Oh well. Back to the drawingboard.

On 11/21/2020 7:35 AM, Blaster wrote:
Steve, Go into the power options and turn off the fast boot checkbox,
that should slow things down enough for the f8 key option on post.

HTH,
Blaster


On 11/20/20, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:
I am trying to do this. Of course, the old standby F8 method doesn't
work because the machine and SSD are just too fast, so I have to use the
recovery method, which puts you into a menu that goes away very quickly
if you don't respond fast enough, and of course, there's no
Narrator--yet. So, when this menu appears, I have to press something
that will get me into the Troubleshooting area, then I have to pick an
Advanced boot option, and finally, press F4, F5, or F6 to get into
either Safe Mode, Safe Mode with Networking, or Safe Mode with Command
Prompt. Presumably at this point I can start Narrator. What I need are
the key sequences to do this totally unassisted. If I'm too slow, the
system will just boot into Windows normally and I'll start over. I'm
game to do this until I get it right, because I have to. I created a
user account and did not give it administrator privilege, and I have no
idea of how to switch back to my former aqdministrator login to fix the
problem. Supposedly I can do this in Safe Mode somehow.


THanks in advance.

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