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Re: Windows 10 updates again

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Switching to Linux, BTW that's Linux, doesn't guarantee that things won't break when the software is updated. In fact, Linux is well known for breaking things when it offers an upgrade. You can't escape it.

<smiling> That's one of the reasons I went back to Windows after my Linux phase. I just wasn't able to keep up with all the upgrades and fixing things that got broken.

Plus sa change, plus c'est la meme chose. The more things change the more they remain the same.

Ann P.

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Re: Windows 10 updates again

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Tell me about it! That latest update made my Duxbury software think my computer was a new one, and I had to practically stand on my head to get the thing uninstalled and reinstalled and reactivated! Why can't these software developers develop software that doesn't break everything in sight when it is upgraded? My advice is to check *all* your programs whenever anything is upgraded to make sure that the upgrade hasn't broken anything. Don't use your software without checking it out *before* you have to use it in a time sensitive situation!

Ann P.


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Re: Windows 10 updates again

Gerald Levy
 


Which is whyMS may be forced to extend support for Windows 7 beyond the January deadline.  A third-party company named Zero Patch has already announced that it would continue releasing security updates for Windows 7 home and business users even if MS doesn't. I plan to continue using my Windows 7 desktop as long as possible because I had a nightmarish experience with my Windows 10 desktop, which I had to send out for repair.  Every time I applied a security update to Windows 10, it seemed to break something.  One update broke the search box, and because there was no way to fix it, I had to install Classic Shell to get a working search box again.  Windows 10 is a seriously flawed OS even without all the bugs.  It has no shutdown sound, which is a major inconvenience for blind users.  System Restore is turned off by default, which many users are unaware of until they try to use it only to discover that they have no restore points to roll back to.  How stupid is that?  Windows Defender often issues false warnings.  In short, Windows 10 is a big, screwed-up mess.  I have no plans to set up my repaired Windows 10 desktop any time soon as long as my Windows 7 desktop is working so well. 


Gerald


 

On 10/7/2019 8:24 PM, Gene wrote:
What law says that a company can't mismanage its product?  We'll see what happens as Microsoft is under increasing pressure from users, and particularly business users, to administer updates properly.  I think it is ridiculous and unmanageable to have two full updates of Windows a year.  That is, in essense, installing two completely new versions.  But Windows has had a lot of bad incremental updates over the last year as well.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

Hi,
 
For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider.  So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.
 
Or, is this unrealistic?
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: emile
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 

Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.

Emile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 


Re: Windows 10 updates again

Gerald Levy
 


Congress is controlled by pro-business Republicans who have traditionally taken a hands-off approach to regulating big business.  The only way Congress would ever try to impose penalties against MS would be if the pathetic excuse of a President were suddently unable to rant on Twitter because of bugs in his computer's OS and he personally demanded that they take action against MS.  MS is an absolute monopoly, which by the way, has powerful lobbyists on its payroll greasing palms all over Washington, so they can essentially get away with  anything they damn well please with absolute impunity. . 


Gerald


 

On 10/8/2019 1:52 AM, James Bentley wrote:
Microsoft is such an intrinsic component of our society, economy, and even our National Defense that we the people I.E. our Congress should figure out a way to become involved if MS doesn’t get its act together pretty soon.
 
Now I can agree, we haven’t reach such a point yet where drastic actions are needed .  But, this is getting ridiculous.  How many times has a small business had to close its doors until their computers were back up and running all because MS sent out a poorly designed update?
 
I suspect that I might be naive and over simplifying the topic but, Gene, my respected brother, when is enough enough? 
 
I wonder if anyone has any ideas concerning this topic.  Please keep it light.  None of us need to stumble in to a thread that turns in to a big hassle.
 
Regards to all,
 
James B
 
From: Gene
 
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 12:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Congress can't just make laws about anything.  What is such a law to say, that a company shall not send out bad updates or updates without sufficient review?  There are no laws saying that a company shall continue to perform up to certain standards except for laws regarding purity of foods and such, public safety laws.  You can't have laws enforcing levels of quality in products.  That is what competition is supposed to do.  And where would the army of enforcers come from?
 
You can't have a law that says that a company shall produce a certain quality of products. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Other than complaints, even business users can’t force MS to get its act together.  And, I don’t see a major migration over to Macs.
 
No law yet.  But, doesn’t Congress have the authority to create laws?
 
Cheers,
 
James B
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
What law says that a company can't mismanage its product?  We'll see what happens as Microsoft is under increasing pressure from users, and particularly business users, to administer updates properly.  I think it is ridiculous and unmanageable to have two full updates of Windows a year.  That is, in essence, installing two completely new versions.  But Windows has had a lot of bad incremental updates over the last year as well.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Hi,
 
For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider.  So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.
 
Or, is this unrealistic?
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: emile
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 

Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.

Emile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 


Re: Windows 10 updates again

James Bentley
 

Apple, Ford, Chevy, and many others do not seem to be dropping the ball as bad as MS.  And, don’t even get me started on all of the laws governing the manufacturing of vehicles.
 
But, you are 100% correct about us not needing yet another bureaucracy.
 
Cheers,
 
James B
 
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 1:16 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
The free market has its limits; the space program couldn't have been done by private enterprise for a lot of its history.
 
You can extent your logic to any large company.  Apple, Ford, Chevy, where does the list end?  Who will inspect all these companies and what standards shall be used?  The free market should be allowed to do what it does well.  What it doesn't do well, such as a good deal of basic research and the space program for much of its early history, where there was no way to earn a profit and so NASA was established, for example, is something else. 
 
Of course, the laws governing business practices must be adequate but what you are advocating is some enormous bureaucracy, that monitors companies that are important to the economy and regulates them.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 12:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Microsoft is such an intrinsic component of our society, economy, and even our National Defense that we the people I.E. our Congress should figure out a way to become involved if MS doesn’t get its act together pretty soon.
 
Now I can agree, we haven’t reach such a point yet where drastic actions are needed .  But, this is getting ridiculous.  How many times has a small business had to close its doors until their computers were back up and running all because MS sent out a poorly designed update?
 
I suspect that I might be naive and over simplifying the topic but, Gene, my respected brother, when is enough enough? 
 
I wonder if anyone has any ideas concerning this topic.  Please keep it light.  None of us need to stumble in to a thread that turns in to a big hassle.
 
Regards to all,
 
James B
 
From: Gene
 
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 12:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Congress can't just make laws about anything.  What is such a law to say, that a company shall not send out bad updates or updates without sufficient review?  There are no laws saying that a company shall continue to perform up to certain standards except for laws regarding purity of foods and such, public safety laws.  You can't have laws enforcing levels of quality in products.  That is what competition is supposed to do.  And where would the army of enforcers come from?
 
You can't have a law that says that a company shall produce a certain quality of products. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Other than complaints, even business users can’t force MS to get its act together.  And, I don’t see a major migration over to Macs.
 
No law yet.  But, doesn’t Congress have the authority to create laws?
 
Cheers,
 
James B
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
What law says that a company can't mismanage its product?  We'll see what happens as Microsoft is under increasing pressure from users, and particularly business users, to administer updates properly.  I think it is ridiculous and unmanageable to have two full updates of Windows a year.  That is, in essence, installing two completely new versions.  But Windows has had a lot of bad incremental updates over the last year as well.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Hi,
 
For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider.  So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.
 
Or, is this unrealistic?
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: emile
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 

Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.

Emile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 


Re: Windows 10 updates again

Gene
 

The free market has its limits; the space program couldn't have been done by private enterprise for a lot of its history.
 
You can extent your logic to any large company.  Apple, Ford, Chevy, where does the list end?  Who will inspect all these companies and what standards shall be used?  The free market should be allowed to do what it does well.  What it doesn't do well, such as a good deal of basic research and the space program for much of its early history, where there was no way to earn a profit and so NASA was established, for example, is something else. 
 
Of course, the laws governing business practices must be adequate but what you are advocating is some enormous bureaucracy, that monitors companies that are important to the economy and regulates them.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

Microsoft is such an intrinsic component of our society, economy, and even our National Defense that we the people I.E. our Congress should figure out a way to become involved if MS doesn’t get its act together pretty soon.
 
Now I can agree, we haven’t reach such a point yet where drastic actions are needed .  But, this is getting ridiculous.  How many times has a small business had to close its doors until their computers were back up and running all because MS sent out a poorly designed update?
 
I suspect that I might be naive and over simplifying the topic but, Gene, my respected brother, when is enough enough? 
 
I wonder if anyone has any ideas concerning this topic.  Please keep it light.  None of us need to stumble in to a thread that turns in to a big hassle.
 
Regards to all,
 
James B
 
From: Gene
 
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 12:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Congress can't just make laws about anything.  What is such a law to say, that a company shall not send out bad updates or updates without sufficient review?  There are no laws saying that a company shall continue to perform up to certain standards except for laws regarding purity of foods and such, public safety laws.  You can't have laws enforcing levels of quality in products.  That is what competition is supposed to do.  And where would the army of enforcers come from?
 
You can't have a law that says that a company shall produce a certain quality of products. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Other than complaints, even business users can’t force MS to get its act together.  And, I don’t see a major migration over to Macs.
 
No law yet.  But, doesn’t Congress have the authority to create laws?
 
Cheers,
 
James B
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
What law says that a company can't mismanage its product?  We'll see what happens as Microsoft is under increasing pressure from users, and particularly business users, to administer updates properly.  I think it is ridiculous and unmanageable to have two full updates of Windows a year.  That is, in essence, installing two completely new versions.  But Windows has had a lot of bad incremental updates over the last year as well.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Hi,
 
For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider.  So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.
 
Or, is this unrealistic?
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: emile
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 

Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.

Emile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 


Re: Windows 10 updates again

James Bentley
 

Microsoft is such an intrinsic component of our society, economy, and even our National Defense that we the people I.E. our Congress should figure out a way to become involved if MS doesn’t get its act together pretty soon.
 
Now I can agree, we haven’t reach such a point yet where drastic actions are needed .  But, this is getting ridiculous.  How many times has a small business had to close its doors until their computers were back up and running all because MS sent out a poorly designed update?
 
I suspect that I might be naive and over simplifying the topic but, Gene, my respected brother, when is enough enough? 
 
I wonder if anyone has any ideas concerning this topic.  Please keep it light.  None of us need to stumble in to a thread that turns in to a big hassle.
 
Regards to all,
 
James B
 
From: Gene
 
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 12:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Congress can't just make laws about anything.  What is such a law to say, that a company shall not send out bad updates or updates without sufficient review?  There are no laws saying that a company shall continue to perform up to certain standards except for laws regarding purity of foods and such, public safety laws.  You can't have laws enforcing levels of quality in products.  That is what competition is supposed to do.  And where would the army of enforcers come from?
 
You can't have a law that says that a company shall produce a certain quality of products. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Other than complaints, even business users can’t force MS to get its act together.  And, I don’t see a major migration over to Macs.
 
No law yet.  But, doesn’t Congress have the authority to create laws?
 
Cheers,
 
James B
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
What law says that a company can't mismanage its product?  We'll see what happens as Microsoft is under increasing pressure from users, and particularly business users, to administer updates properly.  I think it is ridiculous and unmanageable to have two full updates of Windows a year.  That is, in essence, installing two completely new versions.  But Windows has had a lot of bad incremental updates over the last year as well.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Hi,
 
For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider.  So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.
 
Or, is this unrealistic?
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: emile
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 

Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.

Emile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 


Re: Windows 10 updates again

Gene
 

Congresss can't just make laws about anything.  What is such a law to say, that a company shall not send out bad updates or updates without sufficient review?  There are no laws saying that a company shall continue to perform up to certain standards except for laws regarding purity of foods and such, public safety laws.  You can't habve laws enforcing levels of quality in products.  That is what competition is supposed to do.  And where would the army of enforcers come from?
 
You can't have a law that says that a company shall produce a certain quality of products. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

Other than complaints, even business users can’t force MS to get its act together.  And, I don’t see a major migration over to Macs.
 
No law yet.  But, doesn’t Congress have the authority to create laws?
 
Cheers,
 
James B
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
What law says that a company can't mismanage its product?  We'll see what happens as Microsoft is under increasing pressure from users, and particularly business users, to administer updates properly.  I think it is ridiculous and unmanageable to have two full updates of Windows a year.  That is, in essense, installing two completely new versions.  But Windows has had a lot of bad incremental updates over the last year as well.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Hi,
 
For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider.  So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.
 
Or, is this unrealistic?
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: emile
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 

Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.

Emile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 


Re: Windows 10 updates again

Victor
 

Hi:

I’m not using Windows 10, and I’m sure it’s better, and more accessible than previous versions,, but I’ve always disliked Windows and the way Microsoft releases bad updates.

I don’t want our government to give Microsoft money for any reason.  That would be a waste of our tax dollars.  The best thing people can do is bug Microsoft and/or switch to Linux, iOS, Mac, Chrome or Android.

JMO,

Victor

On Oct 7, 2019, at 5:24 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

What law says that a company can't mismanage its product?  We'll see what happens as Microsoft is under increasing pressure from users, and particularly business users, to administer updates properly.  I think it is ridiculous and unmanageable to have two full updates of Windows a year.  That is, in essense, installing two completely new versions.  But Windows has had a lot of bad incremental updates over the last year as well.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

Hi,
 
For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider.  So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.
 
Or, is this unrealistic?
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: emile
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.
Emile.
 
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io<main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 



Re: Windows 10 updates again

James Bentley
 

Other than complaints, even business users can’t force MS to get its act together.  And, I don’t see a major migration over to Macs.
 
No law yet.  But, doesn’t Congress have the authority to create laws?
 
Cheers,
 
James B
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
What law says that a company can't mismanage its product?  We'll see what happens as Microsoft is under increasing pressure from users, and particularly business users, to administer updates properly.  I think it is ridiculous and unmanageable to have two full updates of Windows a year.  That is, in essense, installing two completely new versions.  But Windows has had a lot of bad incremental updates over the last year as well.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Hi,
 
For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider.  So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.
 
Or, is this unrealistic?
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: emile
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 

Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.

Emile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 


Re: Windows 10 updates again

Gene
 

What law says that a company can't mismanage its product?  We'll see what happens as Microsoft is under increasing pressure from users, and particularly business users, to administer updates properly.  I think it is ridiculous and unmanageable to have two full updates of Windows a year.  That is, in essense, installing two completely new versions.  But Windows has had a lot of bad incremental updates over the last year as well.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

Hi,
 
For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider.  So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.
 
Or, is this unrealistic?
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: emile
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 

Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.

Emile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 


Re: Windows 10 updates again

James Bentley
 

Hi,
 
For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider.  So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.
 
Or, is this unrealistic?
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 
 

From: emile
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 

Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.

Emile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 


Re: Windows 10 updates again

emile
 

Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.

Emile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 


Re: anyone users of ADT?

enes sarıbaş
 

sorry I thought you meant AT&T

On 10/7/2019 6:27 PM, enes sarıbaş via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I do use them. I recommend that if you have any alternative at all in your area, do not use them and use another provider. I pay over 50 dollars for a snails speed 18 mbps ADSL connection, who in 2019 uses ADSL! Also, my connection is also capped at 1tb. The service rep bluntly told me they have no plans to upgrade to VDSL or fiberr, as they didn't have enough customers.

On 10/7/2019 1:17 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

Does anyone use ADT company/services?

Thanks.
Dave.



Re: anyone users of ADT?

enes sarıbaş
 

Hi,

I do use them. I recommend that if you have any alternative at all in your area, do not use them and use another provider. I pay over 50 dollars for a snails speed 18 mbps ADSL connection, who in 2019 uses ADSL! Also, my connection is also capped at 1tb. The service rep bluntly told me they have no plans to upgrade to VDSL or fiberr, as they didn't have enough customers.

On 10/7/2019 1:17 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

Does anyone use ADT company/services?

Thanks.
Dave.


Windows 10 updates again

Gene
 


Re: anyone users of ADT?

David Mehler
 

Hello,

Thanks, anyone know how accessible these app(s) are via android?

Thanks.
Dave.

On 10/7/19, Sean Paul <newsandtraffic@gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t currently use ADT as I was using a local service that I no longer
contract with. I am currently looking for a much less expensive option. I
say all that to say all this. I had a person who sold security systems years
ago tell me something that I’m a firm believer in. The most important part
of a security system is the sign in the yard & the stickers on the windows.
So if they’re being offered. Take them. If not, buy them.

Sean Paul informs y'all from my iPhone

On Oct 7, 2019, at 14:41, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:


Hi Dave,

Hope this will clear up some of your questions:

The signs are an option, they'll supply them, but it's up to you to put
them up. They also supply stickers for your windows.


The contract terms must be different now than when I started with ADT over
25 years ago. Back then I was only doing 1 year contracts, but now if we
upgrade or change equipment the terms are 24 months. We are also having
them protect 2 homes so that might play into why we might get a break or 2
here and there.


The flat screen keypad is a load of crap if that's all they can offer!
They used to offer push button key pads and the systems we have at either
house talk, which the voice functionality can be turned on or off if
someone gets annoyed with it squawking. At one of the homes we can
operate the alarm from our iPhones ADT Pulse app or from a home phone, but
at the other home we can only use the iPhone ADT Pulse app.


At both homes we also have multiple cameras that upload the video to the
ADT Pulse server / website where it stores the video and we can access /
see all activity from our iPhones or computers. I can't see the video but
my wife can and we can operate the alarm systems and the thermostat at the
one house from the ADT Pulse iPhone app or portal / website. I haven't
figured out how to work the thermostat from my iPhone or computer as of
yet, but hopefully that'll become accessible over time.


Another thing I'll add is that we had a Ring Doorbell installed at the
home that we don't live at and this alerts my wife's iPhone whenever
someone comes into the yard or enters the gate to come to the front door.
Which also stores video at the Ring Doorbell server / website, but this is
a separate protection device from our ADT contract although ADT installed
it.


Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
Every man should marry. After all, happiness is not the only thing in
life.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Mehler
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] anyone users of ADT?

Hello Mike,

Thanks, can you elaborate? When I talked to them there offering plan
was within budget, but the few things I didn't like was the "crime
prevention"/"I call it advertizing signage which in my opinion makes
your property a target" I might be able to live with it but don't like
it. Price wise yah I could budget it. Another thing I didn't like
during my call was the contract term, 36 months, I was really hoping
for something shorter in length as I eventually want to get my own
equipment and store the videos locally which is what I told them. But
maybe I could take that too, a little harder, but the thing that broke
the bank for me was a touchscreen keypad at side of property for
entry, no alternative, inaccessible, and obviously didn't talk and
can't interface with a phone or other technology.

I guess my questions are do you have these issues and if so how do you
get by with them?

Thanks.
Dave.


On 10/7/19, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dave,

Yes we do.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
Every man should marry. After all, happiness is not the only thing in
life.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Mehler
To: techtalk
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2019 11:17 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] anyone users of ADT?


Hello,

Does anyone use ADT company/services?

Thanks.
Dave.









Re: anyone users of ADT?

Sean Paul
 

I don’t currently use ADT as I was using a local service that I no longer contract with. I am currently looking for a much less expensive option. I say all that to say all this. I had a person who sold security systems years ago tell me something that I’m a firm believer in. The most important part of a security system is the sign in the yard & the stickers on the windows. So if they’re being offered. Take them. If not, buy them.

Sean Paul informs y'all from my iPhone 

On Oct 7, 2019, at 14:41, Mike B <mb69mach1@...> wrote:


Hi Dave,
 
Hope this will clear up some of your questions:
 
The signs are an option, they'll supply them, but it's up to you to put them up.  They also supply stickers for your windows.
 

The contract terms must be different now than when I started with ADT over 25 years ago.  Back then I was only doing 1 year contracts, but now if we upgrade or change equipment the terms are 24 months.  We are also having them protect 2 homes so that might play into why we might get a break or 2 here and there.
 

The flat screen keypad is a load of crap if that's all they can offer!  They used to offer push button key pads and the systems we have at either house talk, which the voice functionality can be turned on or off if someone gets annoyed with it squawking.  At one of the homes we can operate the alarm from our iPhones ADT Pulse app or from a home phone, but at the other home we can only use the iPhone ADT Pulse app.
 

At both homes we also have multiple cameras that upload the video to the ADT Pulse server / website where it stores the video and we can access / see all activity from our iPhones or computers.  I can't see the video but my wife can and we can operate the alarm systems and the thermostat at the one house from the ADT Pulse iPhone app or portal / website.  I haven't figured out how to work the thermostat from my iPhone or computer as of yet, but hopefully that'll become accessible over time.
 
 
Another thing I'll add is that we had a Ring Doorbell installed at the home that we don't live at and this alerts my wife's iPhone whenever someone comes into the yard or enters the gate to come to the front door.  Which also stores video at the Ring Doorbell server / website, but this is a separate protection device from our ADT contract although ADT installed it.
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
Every man should marry.  After all, happiness is not the only thing in life.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] anyone users of ADT?

Hello Mike,

Thanks, can you elaborate? When I talked to them there offering plan
was within budget, but the few things I didn't like was the "crime
prevention"/"I call it advertizing signage which in my opinion makes
your property a target" I might be able to live with it but don't like
it. Price wise yah I could budget it. Another thing I didn't like
during my call was the contract term, 36 months, I was really hoping
for something shorter in length as I eventually want to get my own
equipment and store the videos locally which is what I told them. But
maybe I could take that too, a little harder, but the thing that broke
the bank for me was a touchscreen keypad at side of property for
entry, no alternative, inaccessible, and obviously didn't talk and
can't interface with a phone or other technology.

I guess my questions are do you have these issues and if so how do you
get by with them?

Thanks.
Dave.


On 10/7/19, Mike B <mb69mach1@...> wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> Yes we do.
>
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
> Every man should marry.  After all, happiness is not the only thing in
> life.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Mehler
> To: techtalk
> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2019 11:17 PM
> Subject: [TechTalk] anyone users of ADT?
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone use ADT company/services?
>
> Thanks.
> Dave.
>
>
>
>
>
>



accessible web video downloader for chrome

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

There are some videos on the website

www.animekisa.tv

 

 

that I want to download. Is there a accessible video download helper addon I can use for google chrome? I wonder if it will download any faster than the mp4upload server that is add-supported that I am currently downloading videos from? I am just downloading for personal use then stripping the video with pazera audio converter and converting to mp3 files for myself. I tried pontes media downloader but it did not work. I tried funimation but could not switch the language to the English dubbed version. So far animekisa is the most accessible.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Saving a Life Through sacrifice (My Recording

Monte Single
 

This  tip about changing the zero to a  one is great; saves lots of time.

Thanks Mike.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: October-07-19 12:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Saving a Life Through sacrifice (My Recording

 

Hi Sharon,

 

Just a little tip when sharing Dropbox download links.  If you replace the, 0, at the end of the download link with a, 1, this will make it a direct download instead of someone having to download the file from the Dropbox website.  Here's your link with the, 1, at the end.  Try downloading with both download links to see the difference.

 


 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
Every man should marry.  After all, happiness is not the only thing in life.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 11:18 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Saving a Life Through sacrifice (My Recording

 

Hi,


Here's the Dropbox link for the recording you requested


Blessings,


https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2kpverl1b6ofrag/AABW9DYbQs5pVXJzAeN5AQNba?dl=0



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