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Re: New developments on Blindtech

Gene
 

You may think such things are amusing but they can damage a list and can significantly harm a list if it looses valuable contributors as well as general members who might ask good questions and learn from what others post. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: rajmund
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

Hi Christina,
First, I have never really been involved, but I do read things. I have never moderated, either. In fact,  just for Gene, I actually use about:blank as my home page. Unless you tell the list that that is even possible, I would never know. So I do gain knowledge. But, when, people are  treated unfair, or are bossed around for no reason, the treatment goes both ways. I liked the fact that the admins have stayed behind. But the freetech guy, the list being moved 4 times (that I know of) and giving no reason for things when you ask, I don't like. Like, Carlos being banned? What for? Then, get the list back a day later, rather than explaining themselves, just where are we? That's why I put things the way I do. Drama, that, that always entertained me. Those who were around the FreTech guy's time, will know that I was on the floor, laughing and screaming. And then I joined in, the guy never replied to me. Was pretty funny. And the traffic I produced? OK, OK, I really should take thi!
 s off list. So if you would like me to go into more detail, please ask, and I'll tell you more off list.

----- Original Message -----
From: Christina Stolze <christinastolze@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 5:21 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

>
>
> Rajmond,
> You guys are so bad and I mean that in a good sense it seems like you are
> trying to torture the blindtech list I am laughing and smiling at all of
> this keep it coming.
> Christina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:14 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech
>
> Hi,
> LOL, I already suggested that he should join BlindTech, now that Carlos
> isn't there, especially, and just for entertainment, watch what the new
> admins and Mike would do. LOL, I'm mean, I know.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...>
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 4:59 pm
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech
>
> >
> >
> > Lets hope that Joseph the Free Tech Guy doesn't decide to join this list
> or
> > else the sparks will really start flying.  LOL!
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rajmund
> > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:52 AM
> > To: TechTalk@groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech
> >
> > Hello,
> > Kind of the same here, actually. Carlos always helped when I asked, and I
> > can only return it, whenever I can.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Christina Stolze <christinastolze@...>
> > To: TechTalk@groups.io
> > Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 4:33 pm
> > Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Carlos,
> > > I agree with you even though I have only been a member for a short time
> > > and I haven't experienced some of the things you mentioned in this email
>
> > > but I didn't like it when they were rude to you because between you and
> a
> > > few other regular members that offer your help regularly and are very
> > > educated and helpful it seemed like you and a few others should have
> done
> > > this a long time ago. I will follow you wherever you go and I mean that
> in
> > > a good way I am not a stalker I just like what you do and how you do it.
> > > Christina
> > >
> > > From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:09 AM
> > > To: TechTalk@groups.io
> > > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech
> > >
> > > With all due respect, Michael seems to go through one of these phases
> > > about every few months.  And this is not the first time he has given the
>
> > > list away and then taken control back within a day.  The fact is that
> his
> > > new co-list owner was rude to me in private messages and when I
> commented
> > > on this fact, he immediately went on the defensive and was quite rude
> > > himself.  And when I defended myself and responded to her rudeness, she
> > > immediately banned me from the list so no thanks.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Gene
> > > To: TechTalk@groups.io
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:40 AM
> > > Subject: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech
> > >
> > > You, Carlos, or others who may have left Blindtech may want to
> reconsider.
> > > Michael Capell has gotten the list back and has sent out an announcement
>
> > > indicating that there will be very few rules and that rules will be
> > > greatly relaxed.  The very brief owners are no longer either owners or
> > > moderators.
> > >
> > > Gene
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Carlos
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 AM
> > > To: TechTalk@groups.io
> > > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10
> > >
> > > Hello Kimsan,
> > > On behalf of myself and slice bread, I thank you.  Welcome to the list
> and
> > > I'm glad to hear you worked out your problem.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Kimsan Song
> > > To: TechTalk@groups.io
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:02 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10
> > >
> > > Lol, I hate when I do that...?
> > > I always post a question and then right when I send it, I figure out my
> > > own problem. However, with it being 4 in the morning now, I have no idea
>
> > > how I got there... I was just tabbing and down arrowing and poof there
> it
> > > was lol.
> > >
> > > But, I couldn't figure this out ever since getting windows 10 which is a
>
> > > few weeks now.
> > > So, since my brain isn't functioning right now, lets just forget this
> > > email ever came through...
> > >
> > > Kimsan Song
> > > kimsansong@...
> > >
> > > From: Kimsan Song [mailto:kimsansong@...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 3:59 AM
> > > To: TechTalk@groups.io
> > > Subject: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10
> > >
> > > Hello:
> > > I signed up here, because I think carlos is the coolest thing since
> slice
> > > bread.
> > >
> > > Anyways, apparently, I'm still having trouble accessing my c drive an
> any
> > > other external drives when plugging them into my laptop running windows
> > > 10.
> > > My daughter says, when I tell her, for example, I'm trying to locate my
> > > passport, which is the name of my 1tb external hd, she clicks on the
> mouse
> > > and then jaws says this pc, so how can I get to this pc via the
> > > keyboardThis pc is in the file explorer which use to show my c drive,
> dvd
> > > drive etc, but it's not showing any of that.
> > >
> > >
> > > Kimsan Song
> > > kimsansong@...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Sent from a Braille Sense
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Sent from a Braille Sense
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Sent from a Braille Sense



Re: where can you get windows7pro

Brent Harding
 

I wonder which solution would work best with boot camping a Mac Book. I thought of buying one of the used ones going around the lists that very well could've sold, as it is a good price. I don't know for sure if I could get the hard drive upgraded beyond 80 gb, and get either Lion or Mountain Lion back on it, since my current one started having its keyboard trouble with Snow Leopard on it, but it could be a good boot camp machine that shouldn't give crackling audio or JFW activation issues on most reboots like a Dell I tried.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] where can you get windows7pro


True, my images do include driver packs which cover many, but certainly not all audio devices.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brent Harding" <brent@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] where can you get windows7pro


Levtec's Winstaller is another option where you can do a different take on an unattended install, or get through the first part of the setup process with NVDA in the image. It isn't a free program, so I'd probably be inclined to try with the PE images unless one needed some audio driver or other thing Levtec has that the PE ones don't.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] where can you get windows7pro


Sorry, I missed part of your question. It can be installed without sight, but the two common methods may not necessarily be intuitive for all users. It can be done with either an unattended script or by using something like my Win7PE images.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] where can you get windows7pro


Well I don't have a key for it. Also can it be installed with out site? I
need a key and the software so I guess I would need the disk or no?

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:15 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] where can you get windows7pro

Hello Dennis,
Do you mean anywhere that you can purchase Windows 7 Pro or do you mean
download?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:09 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] where can you get windows7pro


Hi, is there anywhere you can get windows7pro?















Re: New developments on Blindtech

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

With all due respect, I must agree with Carlos. Without beating up on Michael Capell too harshly, I have been a member of Blind Tech for over a decade and when he took over several years ago, he has seemed to go through periods of tolerance, compassion and good leadership. Then for a while, he will back off and claims issues with health. While this is not his fault (the health issues) it does seem to lead to significant instability as to rules and direction from time to time. I sincerely hope Michael gets over his health issues and I sincerely hope the Blind
Tech list (which I am still a member of) continues, but I do hope that Carlos continues this list as well.

As I mentioned on the Blind Tech list, all I do is to create filters and group by conversation and I'm good to go. I already am subscribed to 17 lists--6 of which are high traffic: what's another 1 <g>.

On 8/30/2015 11:09 AM, Carlos wrote:
With all due respect, Michael seems to go through one of these phases about every few months. And this is not the first time he has given the list away and then taken control back within a day. The fact is that his new co-list owner was rude to me in private messages and when I commented on this fact, he immediately went on the defensive and was quite rude himself. And when I defended myself and responded to her rudeness, she immediately banned me from the list so no thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:40 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech


You, Carlos, or others who may have left Blindtech may want to reconsider. Michael Capell has gotten the list back and has sent out an announcement indicating that there will be very few rules and that rules will be greatly relaxed. The very brief owners are no longer either owners or moderators.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10


Hello Kimsan,
On behalf of myself and slice bread, I thank you. Welcome to the list and I'm glad to hear you worked out your problem.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan Song
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10


Lol, I hate when I do that.?

I always post a question and then right when I send it, I figure out my own problem. However, with it being 4 in the morning now, I have no idea how I got there. I was just tabbing and down arrowing and poof there it was lol.


But, I couldn't figure this out ever since getting windows 10 which is a few weeks now.

So, since my brain isn't functioning right now, lets just forget this email ever came through.


Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...


From: Kimsan Song [mailto:kimsansong@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 3:59 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10


Hello:

I signed up here, because I think carlos is the coolest thing since slice bread.


Anyways, apparently, I'm still having trouble accessing my c drive an any other external drives when plugging them into my laptop running windows 10.

My daughter says, when I tell her, for example, I'm trying to locate my passport, which is the name of my 1tb external hd, she clicks on the mouse and then jaws says this pc, so how can I get to this pc via the keyboard?This pc is in the file explorer which use to show my c drive, dvd drive etc, but it's not showing any of that.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...




Re: New developments on Blindtech

Ron Canazzi
 

I guess it shows my age, but when I read Dennis' joke, the song by Little Peggy Marsh from 1963, I will follow him started running through my head <laugh>!

On 8/30/2015 11:52 AM, Dennis L wrote:
Glad to do so you set yourself up perfectly I just had to glad to see you
have a sense of humor.

-----Original Message-----
From: Christina Stolze [mailto:christinastolze@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:48 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

Dennis,
I am glad you couldn't resist you made me laugh for that I thank you. Have a
great day.
Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis L [mailto:dennisl1982@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:37 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

You never know he might like the stalker types lol sorry I couldn't resist.

-----Original Message-----
From: Christina Stolze [mailto:christinastolze@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:34 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

Carlos,

I agree with you even though I have only been a member for a short time and
I haven't experienced some of the things you mentioned in this email but I
didn't like it when they were rude to you because between you and a few
other regular members that offer your help regularly and are very educated
and helpful it seemed like you and a few others should have done this a long
time ago. I will follow you wherever you go and I mean that in a good way I
am not a stalker I just like what you do and how you do it.

Christina


From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:09 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech


With all due respect, Michael seems to go through one of these phases about
every few months. And this is not the first time he has given the list away
and then taken control back within a day. The fact is that his new co-list
owner was rude to me in private messages and when I commented on this fact,
he immediately went on the defensive and was quite rude himself. And when I
defended myself and responded to her rudeness, she immediately banned me
from the list so no thanks.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:40 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



You, Carlos, or others who may have left Blindtech may want to
reconsider. Michael Capell has gotten the list back and has sent out an
announcement indicating that there will be very few rules and that rules
will be greatly relaxed. The very brief owners are no longer either owners
or moderators.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>

Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 AM

To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10



Hello Kimsan,

On behalf of myself and slice bread, I thank you. Welcome to the
list and I'm glad to hear you worked out your problem.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan Song <mailto:kimsansong@...>

To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:02 AM

Subject: RE: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10



Lol, I hate when I do that.?

I always post a question and then right when I send it, I
figure out my own problem. However, with it being 4 in the morning now, I
have no idea how I got there. I was just tabbing and down arrowing and poof
there it was lol.



But, I couldn't figure this out ever since getting windows
10 which is a few weeks now.

So, since my brain isn't functioning right now, lets just
forget this email ever came through.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...



From: Kimsan Song [mailto:kimsansong@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 3:59 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10



Hello:

I signed up here, because I think carlos is the coolest
thing since slice bread.



Anyways, apparently, I'm still having trouble accessing my c
drive an any other external drives when plugging them into my laptop running
windows 10.

My daughter says, when I tell her, for example, I'm trying
to locate my passport, which is the name of my 1tb external hd, she clicks
on the mouse and then jaws says this pc, so how can I get to this pc via the
keyboard?This pc is in the file explorer which use to show my c drive, dvd
drive etc, but it's not showing any of that.





Kimsan Song

kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>


















Re: New developments on Blindtech

Gerald Levy
 

The bottom line is that when he was owner of the Blind Tech list, it lost almost half of its members because of his intolerant attitude and his penchant for constantly changing listservs.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:29 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

I think Carlos should also keep this list. After watching the way Michael
handles threads, he will start a thread and as long as people are agreeable
with him on that thread, the thread can continue, but when people start
disagreeing with him, he demands that the thread stop. I know he is the
owner, but he also does things on his lists that he does not allow others to
do, and in my opinion, that is wrong. An owner should abide by the same
rules as everyone else.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:47 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

I think Carlos should keep this list.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:41 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

You, Carlos, or others who may have left Blindtech may want to reconsider.
Michael Capell has gotten the list back and has sent out an announcement
indicating that there will be very few rules and that rules will be greatly
relaxed. The very brief owners are no longer either owners or moderators.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Hello Kimsan,
On behalf of myself and slice bread, I thank you. Welcome to the list and
I'm glad to hear you worked out your problem.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan Song <mailto:kimsansong@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10


Lol, I hate when I do that.?

I always post a question and then right when I send it, I figure out
my own problem. However, with it being 4 in the morning now, I have no idea
how I got there. I was just tabbing and down arrowing and poof there it was
lol.



But, I couldn't figure this out ever since getting windows 10 which
is a few weeks now.

So, since my brain isn't functioning right now, lets just forget
this email ever came through.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...



From: Kimsan Song [mailto:kimsansong@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 3:59 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10



Hello:

I signed up here, because I think carlos is the coolest thing since
slice bread.



Anyways, apparently, I'm still having trouble accessing my c drive
an any other external drives when plugging them into my laptop running
windows 10.

My daughter says, when I tell her, for example, I'm trying to locate
my passport, which is the name of my 1tb external hd, she clicks on the
mouse and then jaws says this pc, so how can I get to this pc via the
keyboard?This pc is in the file explorer which use to show my c drive, dvd
drive etc, but it's not showing any of that.





Kimsan Song

kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>


Re: New developments on Blindtech

Ron Canazzi
 

I haven't seen much of him lately--even on Blind Tech.

On 8/30/2015 11:59 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

Lets hope that Joseph the Free Tech Guy doesn't decide to join this list or else the sparks will really start flying. LOL!

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: rajmund
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:52 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

Hello,
Kind of the same here, actually. Carlos always helped when I asked, and I can only return it, whenever I can.

----- Original Message -----
From: Christina Stolze <christinastolze@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 4:33 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



Carlos,
I agree with you even though I have only been a member for a short time and I haven't experienced some of the things you mentioned in this email but I didn't like it when they were rude to you because between you and a few other regular members that offer your help regularly and are very educated and helpful it seemed like you and a few others should have done this a long time ago. I will follow you wherever you go and I mean that in a good way I am not a stalker I just like what you do and how you do it.
Christina

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:09 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

With all due respect, Michael seems to go through one of these phases about every few months. And this is not the first time he has given the list away and then taken control back within a day. The fact is that his new co-list owner was rude to me in private messages and when I commented on this fact, he immediately went on the defensive and was quite rude himself. And when I defended myself and responded to her rudeness, she immediately banned me from the list so no thanks.
----- Original Message ----- From: Gene
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:40 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

You, Carlos, or others who may have left Blindtech may want to reconsider. Michael Capell has gotten the list back and has sent out an announcement indicating that there will be very few rules and that rules will be greatly relaxed. The very brief owners are no longer either owners or moderators.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Hello Kimsan,
On behalf of myself and slice bread, I thank you. Welcome to the list and I'm glad to hear you worked out your problem.
----- Original Message ----- From: Kimsan Song
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Lol, I hate when I do that...?
I always post a question and then right when I send it, I figure out my own problem. However, with it being 4 in the morning now, I have no idea how I got there... I was just tabbing and down arrowing and poof there it was lol.

But, I couldn't figure this out ever since getting windows 10 which is a few weeks now.
So, since my brain isn't functioning right now, lets just forget this email ever came through...

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

From: Kimsan Song [mailto:kimsansong@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 3:59 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Hello:
I signed up here, because I think carlos is the coolest thing since slice bread.

Anyways, apparently, I'm still having trouble accessing my c drive an any other external drives when plugging them into my laptop running windows 10.
My daughter says, when I tell her, for example, I'm trying to locate my passport, which is the name of my 1tb external hd, she clicks on the mouse and then jaws says this pc, so how can I get to this pc via the keyboard"This pc is in the file explorer which use to show my c drive, dvd drive etc, but it's not showing any of that.


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...




Sent from a Braille Sense







Re: New developments on Blindtech

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
Thanks!!! One of the things I strongly recommend is equal treatment! Meaning, whatever applies to me, applies to the owner!

----- Original Message -----
From: MamaPeach <mamapeach67@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 5:30 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



I think Carlos should also keep this list. After watching the way Michael
handles threads, he will start a thread and as long as people are agreeable
with him on that thread, the thread can continue, but when people start
disagreeing with him, he demands that the thread stop. I know he is the
owner, but he also does things on his lists that he does not allow others to
do, and in my opinion, that is wrong. An owner should abide by the same
rules as everyone else.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:47 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

I think Carlos should keep this list.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:41 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

You, Carlos, or others who may have left Blindtech may want to reconsider.
Michael Capell has gotten the list back and has sent out an announcement
indicating that there will be very few rules and that rules will be greatly
relaxed. The very brief owners are no longer either owners or moderators.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Hello Kimsan,
On behalf of myself and slice bread, I thank you. Welcome to the list and
I'm glad to hear you worked out your problem.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan Song <mailto:kimsansong@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10


Lol, I hate when I do that.?

I always post a question and then right when I send it, I figure out
my own problem. However, with it being 4 in the morning now, I have no idea
how I got there. I was just tabbing and down arrowing and poof there it was
lol.



But, I couldn't figure this out ever since getting windows 10 which
is a few weeks now.

So, since my brain isn't functioning right now, lets just forget
this email ever came through.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...



From: Kimsan Song [mailto:kimsansong@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 3:59 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10



Hello:

I signed up here, because I think carlos is the coolest thing since
slice bread.



Anyways, apparently, I'm still having trouble accessing my c drive
an any other external drives when plugging them into my laptop running
windows 10.

My daughter says, when I tell her, for example, I'm trying to locate
my passport, which is the name of my 1tb external hd, she clicks on the
mouse and then jaws says this pc, so how can I get to this pc via the
keyboard"This pc is in the file explorer which use to show my c drive, dvd
drive etc, but it's not showing any of that.





Kimsan Song

kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>












Sent from a Braille Sense


Re: New developments on Blindtech

Sugar Lopez
 

That’s not really nice..sad..

Sugar

 

‘I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the

night.

~Sugar

 

From: Michael Amaro [mailto:mikeameli@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:39 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

 

maybe some one should point this out to Michael

 

Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:11 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

 

I saw the message where Michael is taking the list back.  Yes he said the rules would be relaxed.  That's okay until his diabetes gets out of control.  When that happens, he seems to become another person.  

So, I still decided to leave the blindtech list.  

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 30, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You, Carlos, or others who may have left Blindtech may want to reconsider.  Michael Capell has gotten the list back and has sent out an announcement indicating that there will be very few rules and that rules will be greatly relaxed.  The very brief owners are no longer either owners or moderators.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

 

Hello Kimsan,

On behalf of myself and slice bread, I thank you.  Welcome to the list and I'm glad to hear you worked out your problem.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:02 AM

Subject: RE: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

 

Lol, I hate when I do that…?

I always post a question and then right when I send it, I figure out my own problem. However, with it being 4 in the morning now, I have no idea how I got there… I was just tabbing and down arrowing and poof there it was lol.

 

But, I couldn’t figure this out ever since getting windows 10 which is a few weeks now.

So, since my brain isn’t functioning right now, lets just forget this email ever came through…

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: Kimsan Song [mailto:kimsansong@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 3:59 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

 

Hello:

I signed up here, because I think carlos is the coolest thing since slice bread.

 

Anyways, apparently, I’m still having trouble accessing my c drive an any other external drives when plugging them into my laptop running windows 10.

My daughter says, when I tell her, for example, I’m trying to locate my passport, which is the name of my 1tb external hd, she clicks on the mouse and then jaws says this pc, so how can I get to this pc via the keyboard?This pc is in the file explorer which use to show my c drive, dvd drive etc, but it’s not showing any of that.

 

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 


Re: New developments on Blindtech

Gerald Levy
 

On the contrary. I think he would rush to join this list if he knew that Carlos was the owner just to stir up the pot a little.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:34 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

Although, its not like he would join, if he knows you're the admin. Thought of setting it, so that you have to approve members, rather than they subscribe whenever? That way, people like him, can just immediately be rejected.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



LOL probably, but despite my inclination to do so I wouldn't bother arguing
with him since I want to avoid some of the poor management I've seen
displayed on certain lists.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech


LOL, his reactions would be interesting, never the less. when you ban him,
that is.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



LOL I like to think that I'm not too much of a tyrant, but he would be
banned immediately.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



Lets hope that Joseph the Free Tech Guy doesn't decide to join this
list
or else the sparks will really start flying. LOL!

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:52 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

Hello,
Kind of the same here, actually. Carlos always helped when I asked, and
I
can only return it, whenever I can.

----- Original Message -----
From: Christina Stolze <christinastolze@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 4:33 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



Carlos,
I agree with you even though I have only been a member for a short
time
and I haven't experienced some of the things you mentioned in this
email
but I didn't like it when they were rude to you because between you
and a
few other regular members that offer your help regularly and are very
educated and helpful it seemed like you and a few others should have
done
this a long time ago. I will follow you wherever you go and I mean
that
in a good way I am not a stalker I just like what you do and how you
do
it.
Christina

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:09 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

With all due respect, Michael seems to go through one of these phases
about every few months. And this is not the first time he has given
the
list away and then taken control back within a day. The fact is that
his
new co-list owner was rude to me in private messages and when I
commented
on this fact, he immediately went on the defensive and was quite rude
himself. And when I defended myself and responded to her rudeness,
she
immediately banned me from the list so no thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:40 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

You, Carlos, or others who may have left Blindtech may want to
reconsider. Michael Capell has gotten the list back and has sent out
an
announcement indicating that there will be very few rules and that
rules
will be greatly relaxed. The very brief owners are no longer either
owners or moderators.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Hello Kimsan,
On behalf of myself and slice bread, I thank you. Welcome to the list
and I'm glad to hear you worked out your problem.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan Song
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Lol, I hate when I do that...?
I always post a question and then right when I send it, I figure out
my
own problem. However, with it being 4 in the morning now, I have no
idea
how I got there... I was just tabbing and down arrowing and poof there
it
was lol.

But, I couldn't figure this out ever since getting windows 10 which is
a
few weeks now.
So, since my brain isn't functioning right now, lets just forget this
email ever came through...

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

From: Kimsan Song [mailto:kimsansong@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 3:59 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Hello:
I signed up here, because I think carlos is the coolest thing since
slice
bread.

Anyways, apparently, I'm still having trouble accessing my c drive an
any
other external drives when plugging them into my laptop running
windows
10.
My daughter says, when I tell her, for example, I'm trying to locate
my
passport, which is the name of my 1tb external hd, she clicks on the
mouse and then jaws says this pc, so how can I get to this pc via the
keyboard“This pc is in the file explorer which use to show my c drive,
dvd drive etc, but it's not showing any of that.


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...




Sent from a Braille Sense







Sent from a Braille Sense




Sent from a Braille Sense


Re: New developments on Blindtech

Carlos
 

I agree with Gene and while I might personally find such things occasionally amusing, allowing that kind of behavior is really not a productive way to run a list.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

You may think such things are amusing but they can damage a list and can significantly harm a list if it looses valuable contributors as well as general members who might ask good questions and learn from what others post. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: rajmund
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

Hi Christina,
First, I have never really been involved, but I do read things. I have never moderated, either. In fact,  just for Gene, I actually use about:blank as my home page. Unless you tell the list that that is even possible, I would never know. So I do gain knowledge. But, when, people are  treated unfair, or are bossed around for no reason, the treatment goes both ways. I liked the fact that the admins have stayed behind. But the freetech guy, the list being moved 4 times (that I know of) and giving no reason for things when you ask, I don't like. Like, Carlos being banned? What for? Then, get the list back a day later, rather than explaining themselves, just where are we? That's why I put things the way I do. Drama, that, that always entertained me. Those who were around the FreTech guy's time, will know that I was on the floor, laughing and screaming. And then I joined in, the guy never replied to me. Was pretty funny. And the traffic I produced? OK, OK, I really should take thi!
 s off list. So if you would like me to go into more detail, please ask, and I'll tell you more off list.

----- Original Message -----
From: Christina Stolze <christinastolze@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 5:21 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

>
>
> Rajmond,
> You guys are so bad and I mean that in a good sense it seems like you are
> trying to torture the blindtech list I am laughing and smiling at all of
> this keep it coming.
> Christina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:14 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech
>
> Hi,
> LOL, I already suggested that he should join BlindTech, now that Carlos
> isn't there, especially, and just for entertainment, watch what the new
> admins and Mike would do. LOL, I'm mean, I know.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...>
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 4:59 pm
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech
>
> >
> >
> > Lets hope that Joseph the Free Tech Guy doesn't decide to join this list
> or
> > else the sparks will really start flying.  LOL!
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rajmund
> > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:52 AM
> > To: TechTalk@groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech
> >
> > Hello,
> > Kind of the same here, actually. Carlos always helped when I asked, and I
> > can only return it, whenever I can.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Christina Stolze <christinastolze@...>
> > To: TechTalk@groups.io
> > Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 4:33 pm
> > Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Carlos,
> > > I agree with you even though I have only been a member for a short time
> > > and I haven't experienced some of the things you mentioned in this email
>
> > > but I didn't like it when they were rude to you because between you and
> a
> > > few other regular members that offer your help regularly and are very
> > > educated and helpful it seemed like you and a few others should have
> done
> > > this a long time ago. I will follow you wherever you go and I mean that
> in
> > > a good way I am not a stalker I just like what you do and how you do it.
> > > Christina
> > >
> > > From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:09 AM
> > > To: TechTalk@groups.io
> > > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech
> > >
> > > With all due respect, Michael seems to go through one of these phases
> > > about every few months.  And this is not the first time he has given the
>
> > > list away and then taken control back within a day.  The fact is that
> his
> > > new co-list owner was rude to me in private messages and when I
> commented
> > > on this fact, he immediately went on the defensive and was quite rude
> > > himself.  And when I defended myself and responded to her rudeness, she
> > > immediately banned me from the list so no thanks.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Gene
> > > To: TechTalk@groups.io
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:40 AM
> > > Subject: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech
> > >
> > > You, Carlos, or others who may have left Blindtech may want to
> reconsider.
> > > Michael Capell has gotten the list back and has sent out an announcement
>
> > > indicating that there will be very few rules and that rules will be
> > > greatly relaxed.  The very brief owners are no longer either owners or
> > > moderators.
> > >
> > > Gene
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Carlos
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 AM
> > > To: TechTalk@groups.io
> > > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10
> > >
> > > Hello Kimsan,
> > > On behalf of myself and slice bread, I thank you.  Welcome to the list
> and
> > > I'm glad to hear you worked out your problem.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Kimsan Song
> > > To: TechTalk@groups.io
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:02 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10
> > >
> > > Lol, I hate when I do that...?
> > > I always post a question and then right when I send it, I figure out my
> > > own problem. However, with it being 4 in the morning now, I have no idea
>
> > > how I got there... I was just tabbing and down arrowing and poof there
> it
> > > was lol.
> > >
> > > But, I couldn't figure this out ever since getting windows 10 which is a
>
> > > few weeks now.
> > > So, since my brain isn't functioning right now, lets just forget this
> > > email ever came through...
> > >
> > > Kimsan Song
> > > kimsansong@...
> > >
> > > From: Kimsan Song [mailto:kimsansong@...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 3:59 AM
> > > To: TechTalk@groups.io
> > > Subject: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10
> > >
> > > Hello:
> > > I signed up here, because I think carlos is the coolest thing since
> slice
> > > bread.
> > >
> > > Anyways, apparently, I'm still having trouble accessing my c drive an
> any
> > > other external drives when plugging them into my laptop running windows
> > > 10.
> > > My daughter says, when I tell her, for example, I'm trying to locate my
> > > passport, which is the name of my 1tb external hd, she clicks on the
> mouse
> > > and then jaws says this pc, so how can I get to this pc via the
> > > keyboardThis pc is in the file explorer which use to show my c drive,
> dvd
> > > drive etc, but it's not showing any of that.
> > >
> > >
> > > Kimsan Song
> > > kimsansong@...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Sent from a Braille Sense
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Sent from a Braille Sense
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Sent from a Braille Sense



Re: New developments on Blindtech

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi Gene,
Most of it really depends on the admins, though. If the admins would have dealt with it properly, while we wouldn't have had the amusement, the list wouldn't have lost anyone.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <gsasner@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 5:50 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



You may think such things are amusing but they can damage a list and can significantly harm a list if it looses valuable contributors as well as general members who might ask good questions and learn from what others post.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: rajmund
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:44 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech


Hi Christina,
First, I have never really been involved, but I do read things. I have never moderated, either. In fact, just for Gene, I actually use about:blank as my home page. Unless you tell the list that that is even possible, I would never know. So I do gain knowledge. But, when, people are treated unfair, or are bossed around for no reason, the treatment goes both ways. I liked the fact that the admins have stayed behind. But the freetech guy, the list being moved 4 times (that I know of) and giving no reason for things when you ask, I don't like. Like, Carlos being banned? What for? Then, get the list back a day later, rather than explaining themselves, just where are we? That's why I put things the way I do. Drama, that, that always entertained me. Those who were around the FreTech guy's time, will know that I was on the floor, laughing and screaming. And then I joined in, the guy never replied to me. Was pretty funny. And the traffic I produced? OK, OK, I really should take thi!
s off list. So if you would like me to go into more detail, please ask, and I'll tell you more off list.

----- Original Message -----
From: Christina Stolze <christinastolze@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 5:21 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



Rajmond,
You guys are so bad and I mean that in a good sense it seems like you are
trying to torture the blindtech list I am laughing and smiling at all of
this keep it coming.
Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:14 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

Hi,
LOL, I already suggested that he should join BlindTech, now that Carlos
isn't there, especially, and just for entertainment, watch what the new
admins and Mike would do. LOL, I'm mean, I know.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 4:59 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



Lets hope that Joseph the Free Tech Guy doesn't decide to join this list
or
else the sparks will really start flying. LOL!

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:52 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

Hello,
Kind of the same here, actually. Carlos always helped when I asked, and I
can only return it, whenever I can.

----- Original Message -----
From: Christina Stolze <christinastolze@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 4:33 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



Carlos,
I agree with you even though I have only been a member for a short time
and I haven't experienced some of the things you mentioned in this email
but I didn't like it when they were rude to you because between you and
a
few other regular members that offer your help regularly and are very
educated and helpful it seemed like you and a few others should have
done
this a long time ago. I will follow you wherever you go and I mean that
in
a good way I am not a stalker I just like what you do and how you do it.
Christina

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:09 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

With all due respect, Michael seems to go through one of these phases
about every few months. And this is not the first time he has given the
list away and then taken control back within a day. The fact is that
his
new co-list owner was rude to me in private messages and when I
commented
on this fact, he immediately went on the defensive and was quite rude
himself. And when I defended myself and responded to her rudeness, she
immediately banned me from the list so no thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:40 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

You, Carlos, or others who may have left Blindtech may want to
reconsider.
Michael Capell has gotten the list back and has sent out an announcement
indicating that there will be very few rules and that rules will be
greatly relaxed. The very brief owners are no longer either owners or
moderators.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Hello Kimsan,
On behalf of myself and slice bread, I thank you. Welcome to the list
and
I'm glad to hear you worked out your problem.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan Song
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Lol, I hate when I do that...?
I always post a question and then right when I send it, I figure out my
own problem. However, with it being 4 in the morning now, I have no idea
how I got there.... I was just tabbing and down arrowing and poof there
it
was lol.

But, I couldn't figure this out ever since getting windows 10 which is a
few weeks now.
So, since my brain isn't functioning right now, lets just forget this
email ever came through...

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

From: Kimsan Song [mailto:kimsansong@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 3:59 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Hello:
I signed up here, because I think carlos is the coolest thing since
slice
bread.

Anyways, apparently, I'm still having trouble accessing my c drive an
any
other external drives when plugging them into my laptop running windows
10.
My daughter says, when I tell her, for example, I'm trying to locate my
passport, which is the name of my 1tb external hd, she clicks on the
mouse
and then jaws says this pc, so how can I get to this pc via the
keyboardThis pc is in the file explorer which use to show my c drive,
dvd
drive etc, but it's not showing any of that.


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...




Sent from a Braille Sense





Sent from a Braille Sense







Sent from a Braille Sense



Sent from a Braille Sense


Re: New developments on Blindtech

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

I landed on freelists. 2 months later, emissives. There, people had troubles replying, even though I did address to just use reply all, didn't help. BTW, that bug is fixed. Anyway, after that, we came back to freelists (had to resubscribe, of course) and now, we're on groups.io. When will the next move be?

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 5:58 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



The bottom line is that when he was owner of the Blind Tech list, it lost
almost half of its members because of his intolerant attitude and his
penchant for constantly changing listservs.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:29 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

I think Carlos should also keep this list. After watching the way Michael
handles threads, he will start a thread and as long as people are agreeable
with him on that thread, the thread can continue, but when people start
disagreeing with him, he demands that the thread stop. I know he is the
owner, but he also does things on his lists that he does not allow others to
do, and in my opinion, that is wrong. An owner should abide by the same
rules as everyone else.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:47 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

I think Carlos should keep this list.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:41 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

You, Carlos, or others who may have left Blindtech may want to reconsider.
Michael Capell has gotten the list back and has sent out an announcement
indicating that there will be very few rules and that rules will be greatly
relaxed. The very brief owners are no longer either owners or moderators.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Hello Kimsan,
On behalf of myself and slice bread, I thank you. Welcome to the list and
I'm glad to hear you worked out your problem.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan Song <mailto:kimsansong@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10


Lol, I hate when I do that.?

I always post a question and then right when I send it, I figure out
my own problem. However, with it being 4 in the morning now, I have no idea
how I got there. I was just tabbing and down arrowing and poof there it was
lol.



But, I couldn't figure this out ever since getting windows 10 which
is a few weeks now.

So, since my brain isn't functioning right now, lets just forget
this email ever came through.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...



From: Kimsan Song [mailto:kimsansong@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 3:59 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10



Hello:

I signed up here, because I think carlos is the coolest thing since
slice bread.



Anyways, apparently, I'm still having trouble accessing my c drive
an any other external drives when plugging them into my laptop running
windows 10.

My daughter says, when I tell her, for example, I'm trying to locate
my passport, which is the name of my 1tb external hd, she clicks on the
mouse and then jaws says this pc, so how can I get to this pc via the
keyboard"This pc is in the file explorer which use to show my c drive, dvd
drive etc, but it's not showing any of that.





Kimsan Song

kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>















Sent from a Braille Sense


Re: New developments on Blindtech

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

LOL, you're probably right. Let's hope he will not find it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 6:00 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



On the contrary. I think he would rush to join this list if he knew that
Carlos was the owner just to stir up the pot a little.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:34 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

Although, its not like he would join, if he knows you're the admin. Thought
of setting it, so that you have to approve members, rather than they
subscribe whenever? That way, people like him, can just immediately be
rejected.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



LOL probably, but despite my inclination to do so I wouldn't bother
arguing
with him since I want to avoid some of the poor management I've seen
displayed on certain lists.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech


LOL, his reactions would be interesting, never the less. when you ban
him,
that is.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



LOL I like to think that I'm not too much of a tyrant, but he would be
banned immediately.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



Lets hope that Joseph the Free Tech Guy doesn't decide to join this
list
or else the sparks will really start flying. LOL!

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:52 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

Hello,
Kind of the same here, actually. Carlos always helped when I asked,
and
I
can only return it, whenever I can.

----- Original Message -----
From: Christina Stolze <christinastolze@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 4:33 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



Carlos,
I agree with you even though I have only been a member for a short
time
and I haven't experienced some of the things you mentioned in this
email
but I didn't like it when they were rude to you because between you
and a
few other regular members that offer your help regularly and are
very
educated and helpful it seemed like you and a few others should have
done
this a long time ago. I will follow you wherever you go and I mean
that
in a good way I am not a stalker I just like what you do and how you
do
it.
Christina

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:09 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

With all due respect, Michael seems to go through one of these
phases
about every few months. And this is not the first time he has given
the
list away and then taken control back within a day. The fact is
that
his
new co-list owner was rude to me in private messages and when I
commented
on this fact, he immediately went on the defensive and was quite
rude
himself. And when I defended myself and responded to her rudeness,
she
immediately banned me from the list so no thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:40 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

You, Carlos, or others who may have left Blindtech may want to
reconsider. Michael Capell has gotten the list back and has sent out
an
announcement indicating that there will be very few rules and that
rules
will be greatly relaxed. The very brief owners are no longer either
owners or moderators.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Hello Kimsan,
On behalf of myself and slice bread, I thank you. Welcome to the
list
and I'm glad to hear you worked out your problem.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan Song
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Lol, I hate when I do that...?
I always post a question and then right when I send it, I figure out
my
own problem. However, with it being 4 in the morning now, I have no
idea
how I got there... I was just tabbing and down arrowing and poof
there
it
was lol.

But, I couldn't figure this out ever since getting windows 10 which
is
a
few weeks now.
So, since my brain isn't functioning right now, lets just forget
this
email ever came through...

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

From: Kimsan Song [mailto:kimsansong@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 3:59 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Hello:
I signed up here, because I think carlos is the coolest thing since
slice
bread.

Anyways, apparently, I'm still having trouble accessing my c drive
an
any
other external drives when plugging them into my laptop running
windows
10.
My daughter says, when I tell her, for example, I'm trying to locate
my
passport, which is the name of my 1tb external hd, she clicks on the
mouse and then jaws says this pc, so how can I get to this pc via
the
keyboardThis pc is in the file explorer which use to show my c
drive,
dvd drive etc, but it's not showing any of that.


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...




Sent from a Braille Sense







Sent from a Braille Sense




Sent from a Braille Sense






Sent from a Braille Sense


Re: New developments on Blindtech

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Back then, they should have got a third admin. The only reason, as I said, why we got what we got, is the lack of moderation.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 6:03 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



I agree with Gene and while I might personally find such things occasionally amusing, allowing that kind of behavior is really not a productive way to run a list.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech


You may think such things are amusing but they can damage a list and can significantly harm a list if it looses valuable contributors as well as general members who might ask good questions and learn from what others post.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: rajmund
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:44 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech


Hi Christina,
First, I have never really been involved, but I do read things. I have never moderated, either. In fact, just for Gene, I actually use about:blank as my home page. Unless you tell the list that that is even possible, I would never know. So I do gain knowledge. But, when, people are treated unfair, or are bossed around for no reason, the treatment goes both ways. I liked the fact that the admins have stayed behind. But the freetech guy, the list being moved 4 times (that I know of) and giving no reason for things when you ask, I don't like. Like, Carlos being banned? What for? Then, get the list back a day later, rather than explaining themselves, just where are we? That's why I put things the way I do. Drama, that, that always entertained me. Those who were around the FreTech guy's time, will know that I was on the floor, laughing and screaming. And then I joined in, the guy never replied to me. Was pretty funny. And the traffic I produced? OK, OK, I really should take thi!
s off list. So if you would like me to go into more detail, please ask, and I'll tell you more off list.

----- Original Message -----
From: Christina Stolze <christinastolze@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 5:21 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



Rajmond,
You guys are so bad and I mean that in a good sense it seems like you are
trying to torture the blindtech list I am laughing and smiling at all of
this keep it coming.
Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:14 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

Hi,
LOL, I already suggested that he should join BlindTech, now that Carlos
isn't there, especially, and just for entertainment, watch what the new
admins and Mike would do. LOL, I'm mean, I know.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 4:59 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



Lets hope that Joseph the Free Tech Guy doesn't decide to join this list
or
else the sparks will really start flying. LOL!

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:52 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

Hello,
Kind of the same here, actually. Carlos always helped when I asked, and I
can only return it, whenever I can.

----- Original Message -----
From: Christina Stolze <christinastolze@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 4:33 pm
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



Carlos,
I agree with you even though I have only been a member for a short time
and I haven't experienced some of the things you mentioned in this email
but I didn't like it when they were rude to you because between you and
a
few other regular members that offer your help regularly and are very
educated and helpful it seemed like you and a few others should have
done
this a long time ago. I will follow you wherever you go and I mean that
in
a good way I am not a stalker I just like what you do and how you do it.
Christina

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:09 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

With all due respect, Michael seems to go through one of these phases
about every few months. And this is not the first time he has given the
list away and then taken control back within a day. The fact is that
his
new co-list owner was rude to me in private messages and when I
commented
on this fact, he immediately went on the defensive and was quite rude
himself. And when I defended myself and responded to her rudeness, she
immediately banned me from the list so no thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:40 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

You, Carlos, or others who may have left Blindtech may want to
reconsider.
Michael Capell has gotten the list back and has sent out an announcement
indicating that there will be very few rules and that rules will be
greatly relaxed. The very brief owners are no longer either owners or
moderators.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Hello Kimsan,
On behalf of myself and slice bread, I thank you. Welcome to the list
and
I'm glad to hear you worked out your problem.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan Song
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Lol, I hate when I do that...?
I always post a question and then right when I send it, I figure out my
own problem. However, with it being 4 in the morning now, I have no idea
how I got there... I was just tabbing and down arrowing and poof there
it
was lol.

But, I couldn't figure this out ever since getting windows 10 which is a
few weeks now.
So, since my brain isn't functioning right now, lets just forget this
email ever came through...

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

From: Kimsan Song [mailto:kimsansong@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 3:59 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Hello:
I signed up here, because I think carlos is the coolest thing since
slice
bread.

Anyways, apparently, I'm still having trouble accessing my c drive an
any
other external drives when plugging them into my laptop running windows
10.
My daughter says, when I tell her, for example, I'm trying to locate my
passport, which is the name of my 1tb external hd, she clicks on the
mouse
and then jaws says this pc, so how can I get to this pc via the
keyboardThis pc is in the file explorer which use to show my c drive,
dvd
drive etc, but it's not showing any of that.


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...




Sent from a Braille Sense





Sent from a Braille Sense







Sent from a Braille Sense



Sent from a Braille Sense


Updating CCleaner Without Also Installing Google Chrome.

Gerald Levy
 

 
Getting back to a more pertinent topic.  This morning, I updated to the latest version of CCleaner, version 5.9,  on my Windows 7 PC.  Using the JAWS cursor, I carefully inspected each page of the Installation wizard to make sure that there were no check boxes for also selecting Google Chrome for installation at the same time,and could not find any.  But after CCleaner was installed successfully, I discovered to my chagrin that Google Chrome had been installed, anyway, and set as my default browser.  Just out of curiosity, I took a quick look at Chrome and found it to be totally inaccessible with JAWS 15.  So I immediately proceeded to completely remove it using Revo Installer and then reset IE 11 as my default browser.  I already had Unchecky on my computer but it obviously did not prevent Chrome from being installed.  Has anyone found a foolproof way to update CCleaner without also automatically and surreptitiously installing Chrome along withit?
 
Gerald
 
 


Re: New developments on Blindtech

Carlos
 

Well I'm not inclined to move and I'm going to try for consistency.

----- Original Message -----
From: "rajmund" <brajmund2000@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech


I landed on freelists. 2 months later, emissives. There, people had troubles replying, even though I did address to just use reply all, didn't help. BTW, that bug is fixed. Anyway, after that, we came back to freelists (had to resubscribe, of course) and now, we're on groups.io. When will the next move be?

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 30 August 2015 5:58 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech



The bottom line is that when he was owner of the Blind Tech list, it lost
almost half of its members because of his intolerant attitude and his
penchant for constantly changing listservs.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:29 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

I think Carlos should also keep this list. After watching the way Michael
handles threads, he will start a thread and as long as people are agreeable
with him on that thread, the thread can continue, but when people start
disagreeing with him, he demands that the thread stop. I know he is the
owner, but he also does things on his lists that he does not allow others to
do, and in my opinion, that is wrong. An owner should abide by the same
rules as everyone else.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:47 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

I think Carlos should keep this list.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:41 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] New developments on Blindtech

You, Carlos, or others who may have left Blindtech may want to reconsider.
Michael Capell has gotten the list back and has sent out an announcement
indicating that there will be very few rules and that rules will be greatly
relaxed. The very brief owners are no longer either owners or moderators.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10

Hello Kimsan,
On behalf of myself and slice bread, I thank you. Welcome to the list and
I'm glad to hear you worked out your problem.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan Song <mailto:kimsansong@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10


Lol, I hate when I do that.?

I always post a question and then right when I send it, I figure out
my own problem. However, with it being 4 in the morning now, I have no idea
how I got there. I was just tabbing and down arrowing and poof there it was
lol.



But, I couldn't figure this out ever since getting windows 10 which
is a few weeks now.

So, since my brain isn't functioning right now, lets just forget
this email ever came through.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...



From: Kimsan Song [mailto:kimsansong@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 3:59 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] this pc = windows 10



Hello:

I signed up here, because I think carlos is the coolest thing since
slice bread.



Anyways, apparently, I'm still having trouble accessing my c drive
an any other external drives when plugging them into my laptop running
windows 10.

My daughter says, when I tell her, for example, I'm trying to locate
my passport, which is the name of my 1tb external hd, she clicks on the
mouse and then jaws says this pc, so how can I get to this pc via the
keyboard"This pc is in the file explorer which use to show my c drive, dvd
drive etc, but it's not showing any of that.





Kimsan Song

kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>















Sent from a Braille Sense


Re: Updating CCleaner Without Also Installing Google Chrome.

Carlos
 

The only way to really be sure is by using the slim installer which is usually one or two versions behind the standard installer.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 1:21 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Updating CCleaner Without Also Installing Google Chrome.

 
Getting back to a more pertinent topic.  This morning, I updated to the latest version of CCleaner, version 5.9,  on my Windows 7 PC.  Using the JAWS cursor, I carefully inspected each page of the Installation wizard to make sure that there were no check boxes for also selecting Google Chrome for installation at the same time,and could not find any.  But after CCleaner was installed successfully, I discovered to my chagrin that Google Chrome had been installed, anyway, and set as my default browser.  Just out of curiosity, I took a quick look at Chrome and found it to be totally inaccessible with JAWS 15.  So I immediately proceeded to completely remove it using Revo Installer and then reset IE 11 as my default browser.  I already had Unchecky on my computer but it obviously did not prevent Chrome from being installed.  Has anyone found a foolproof way to update CCleaner without also automatically and surreptitiously installing Chrome along withit?
 
Gerald
 
 


Re: Updating CCleaner Without Also Installing Google Chrome.

Gene
 

I really doubt that Chrome is inaccessible with JAWS 15.  Chrome uses an interface that is somewhat different than Internet Explorer or Firefox.  For example, there is only one menu.  But as I recall, I played with Chrome using JAWS 14 and found it reasonably accessible.  Chrome has quirks and annoyances but it is mostly accessible, though not as accessible as Internet Explorer or Firefox.  But I have it on my computers because at times, when I don't get good access to a site using firefox or I may try Internet Explorer as well, but there are times when I get better access with Chrome than with either other browser.. 
 
Gene
----- Orgiginal Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:21 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Updating CCleaner Without Also Installing Google Chrome.

 
Getting back to a more pertinent topic.  This morning, I updated to the latest version of CCleaner, version 5.9,  on my Windows 7 PC.  Using the JAWS cursor, I carefully inspected each page of the Installation wizard to make sure that there were no check boxes for also selecting Google Chrome for installation at the same time,and could not find any.  But after CCleaner was installed successfully, I discovered to my chagrin that Google Chrome had been installed, anyway, and set as my default browser.  Just out of curiosity, I took a quick look at Chrome and found it to be totally inaccessible with JAWS 15.  So I immediately proceeded to completely remove it using Revo Installer and then reset IE 11 as my default browser.  I already had Unchecky on my computer but it obviously did not prevent Chrome from being installed.  Has anyone found a foolproof way to update CCleaner without also automatically and surreptitiously installing Chrome along withit?
 
Gerald
 
 


Brief intro, and an encouragement message for the owner of this list

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
 

Hi all,

I’m Joseph Lee (not Joseph the Free Tech), a student and a regular contributor to NonVisual Desktop Access screen reader project. First, thanks for creating another resource for talking about technology, and I’m glad to come onboard in its early days.

Second, I’m sorry to hear about what happened back at the Blind Tech list (I’ve been reading the list archives for this and the BT list, and there are things that happened recently that I don’t understand myself). More importantly, if the list owner is the Carlos I know (from various mailing lists), please take courage (if what I’ve heard is true, then I can sympathize with both sides of the story and recommend things the admins over at the other side of the pond should have done; write to me offlist please).

With the intros aside: I hope to learn more about new technologies being developed and help out if I can (I’m still learing).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Updating CCleaner Without Also Installing Google Chrome.

Gene
 

I just checked and Chrome is reasonably accessible using JAWS 14 so it will either be equally accessible or more so with JAWS 15. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

 

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updating CCleaner Without Also Installing Google Chrome.

I really doubt that Chrome is inaccessible with JAWS 15.  Chrome uses an interface that is somewhat different than Internet Explorer or Firefox.  For example, there is only one menu.  But as I recall, I played with Chrome using JAWS 14 and found it reasonably accessible.  Chrome has quirks and annoyances but it is mostly accessible, though not as accessible as Internet Explorer or Firefox.  But I have it on my computers because at times, when I don't get good access to a site using firefox or I may try Internet Explorer as well, but there are times when I get better access with Chrome than with either other browser.. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:21 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Updating CCleaner Without Also Installing Google Chrome.

 
Getting back to a more pertinent topic.  This morning, I updated to the latest version of CCleaner, version 5.9,  on my Windows 7 PC.  Using the JAWS cursor, I carefully inspected each page of the Installation wizard to make sure that there were no check boxes for also selecting Google Chrome for installation at the same time,and could not find any.  But after CCleaner was installed successfully, I discovered to my chagrin that Google Chrome had been installed, anyway, and set as my default browser.  Just out of curiosity, I took a quick look at Chrome and found it to be totally inaccessible with JAWS 15.  So I immediately proceeded to completely remove it using Revo Installer and then reset IE 11 as my default browser.  I already had Unchecky on my computer but it obviously did not prevent Chrome from being installed.  Has anyone found a foolproof way to update CCleaner without also automatically and surreptitiously installing Chrome along withit?
 
Gerald