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Re: What are we missing access to in Zoom?

Gene
 

That's good to know.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 7:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What are we missing access to in Zoom?

Hi. These options are totally accessible. I suspect the problem is that
you're not seeing them as you haven't set up an account. Even with a
free account you will encounter these options.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
www.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/24/2020 7:58 PM, Gene wrote:
I should add that I don't have a Zoom account. I join meetings and having an account isn't necessary. So are the settings in the right pane not accessible to everyone under those conditions or are they not accessible to blind users?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 6:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: What are we missing access to in Zoom?

Although Zoom is generally useable, from the comments of a sighted friend
and from what I've seen in help files and looking around the interface, it
appears that there is a whole pane of Zoom we have no access to. I think we
have access to the left pane, with all the controls and fields users can tab
around to, but I've tried all sorts of navigation methods and one or two
keyboard commands and I can't see, as far as I can tell, anything in the
right pane. the right pane may include a settings opttion, a help option,
and perhaps other things.

What are we missing and is it important enough to contact the Zoom
development or accessibility, whoever is in charge of such things, team
about?

Gene



Re: What are we missing access to in Zoom?

David Goldfield
 

Hi. These options are totally accessible. I suspect the problem is that you're not seeing them as you haven't set up an account. Even with a free account you will encounter these options.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
www.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/24/2020 7:58 PM, Gene wrote:
I should add that I don't have a Zoom account.  I join meetings and having an account isn't necessary.  So are the settings in the right pane not accessible to everyone under those conditions or are they not accessible to blind users?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 6:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: What are we missing access to in Zoom?

Although Zoom is generally useable, from the comments of a sighted friend
and from what I've seen in help files and looking around the interface, it
appears that there is a whole pane of Zoom we have no access to. I think we
have access to the left pane, with all the controls and fields users can tab
around to, but I've tried all sorts of navigation methods and one or two
keyboard commands and I can't see, as far as I can tell, anything in the
right pane.  the right pane may include a settings opttion, a help option,
and perhaps other things.

What are we missing and is it important enough to contact the Zoom
development or accessibility, whoever is in charge of such things, team
about?

Gene


Re: What are we missing access to in Zoom?

Gene
 

I should add that I don't have a Zoom account. I join meetings and having an account isn't necessary. So are the settings in the right pane not accessible to everyone under those conditions or are they not accessible to blind users?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 6:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: What are we missing access to in Zoom?

Although Zoom is generally useable, from the comments of a sighted friend
and from what I've seen in help files and looking around the interface, it
appears that there is a whole pane of Zoom we have no access to. I think we
have access to the left pane, with all the controls and fields users can tab
around to, but I've tried all sorts of navigation methods and one or two
keyboard commands and I can't see, as far as I can tell, anything in the
right pane. the right pane may include a settings opttion, a help option,
and perhaps other things.

What are we missing and is it important enough to contact the Zoom
development or accessibility, whoever is in charge of such things, team
about?

Gene


Re: question, / doubt. xiaomi accessibility

Mário Navarro
 




hi Brian. good tips.
we'll see what other xiaomi users have to say ...
thanks Brian.
cheers.

Às 00:11 de 25/08/2020, Brian Vogel escreveu:
I do not use Android Accessibility Suite except for testing purposes, but I have a Xiaomi Redmi Note 6 Pro and the Android Accessibility Suite seems to operate under MIUI (Xiaomi's spin on Android) in the same way it does on any other flavor of Android.  I don't know of any phone maker that uses truly stock Android; they all customize it in one way or another.

I cannot recall whether Android Accessibility Suite was part of MIUI as shipped, or I had to download it, but I seem to remember it being the latter.  That being said, MIUI has gone through several major version updates since then, too.

I can say that I've been shocked at just how good Xiaomi has been about pushing over the air (OTA) updates to MIUI over the last couple of years.  My partner has a Redmi 5 Plus, and that has been upgraded to MIUI 11 and is slated to receive MIUI 12 (which is based on Android 10, I believe, while 11 is based on Android 9).  Their OTA updates have been more frequent than I ever had with LG phones, or even my Samsung Galaxy S7, but I understand Samsung has gotten better about frequency of OTA updates and I haven't touched an LG phone in too long to know anything about what they're doing these days.
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What are we missing access to in Zoom?

Gene
 

Although Zoom is generally useable, from the comments of a sighted friend
and from what I've seen in help files and looking around the interface, it
appears that there is a whole pane of Zoom we have no access to. I think we
have access to the left pane, with all the controls and fields users can tab
around to, but I've tried all sorts of navigation methods and one or two
keyboard commands and I can't see, as far as I can tell, anything in the
right pane. the right pane may include a settings opttion, a help option,
and perhaps other things.

What are we missing and is it important enough to contact the Zoom
development or accessibility, whoever is in charge of such things, team
about?

Gene


Re: question, / doubt. xiaomi accessibility

 

I do not use Android Accessibility Suite except for testing purposes, but I have a Xiaomi Redmi Note 6 Pro and the Android Accessibility Suite seems to operate under MIUI (Xiaomi's spin on Android) in the same way it does on any other flavor of Android.  I don't know of any phone maker that uses truly stock Android; they all customize it in one way or another.

I cannot recall whether Android Accessibility Suite was part of MIUI as shipped, or I had to download it, but I seem to remember it being the latter.  That being said, MIUI has gone through several major version updates since then, too.

I can say that I've been shocked at just how good Xiaomi has been about pushing over the air (OTA) updates to MIUI over the last couple of years.  My partner has a Redmi 5 Plus, and that has been upgraded to MIUI 11 and is slated to receive MIUI 12 (which is based on Android 10, I believe, while 11 is based on Android 9).  Their OTA updates have been more frequent than I ever had with LG phones, or even my Samsung Galaxy S7, but I understand Samsung has gotten better about frequency of OTA updates and I haven't touched an LG phone in too long to know anything about what they're doing these days.
--

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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Introduction and Firefox question

Ahmed Ibrahim Abu al maaly
 

Hello, mailing list members.

My name is Ahmed Ibrahim. I am from Sudan. I am totally blind person.

Technologically I'm using laptop to Sheba, running Windows 10 1909. With NVDA 22 as my primary screen reader.

Also I'm using Firefox latest version 79 and something. My question is: I want you to recommend me your favourite and useful Firefox add-ons. For example advertise blocking extension, loading and downloading notification sounds, and other more recommended Firefox add-ons, that make browsing the Internet with Firefox, more easier and enjoyable. thank in advance


question, / doubt. xiaomi accessibility

Mário Navarro
 

Hi guys.

I am thinking of purchasing the equipment xiaomi redmi  9 S, but I do not know how ac    cessible it can be for normal use.

I refer to a percentage rate of zero to 10 the level of satisfaction with the customization of the xiaomi on the android system.

I am also in doubt if the google  android accessibility suite is already installed on the phone or if we have to download it from the play store.


or even if none of this is possible in the xiaomi brand ...

if possible, what will be the biggest difficulties in lack of accessibility in the android system customized by xiaomi.


I appreciate all the credible tips by the supposed users of xiaomi.

thank you all.

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Re: number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

joseph hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Hey you're welcome, and no so far so good nothing has happened. Matter fact if anybody wants to use my room is a test room to try anything I have a pro account and I will be here all day. And I saw the previous messages.

On Aug 24, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Thanks for making a test available. You may have seen the message from another member who said that the feature works when the host is not using video. I hope you don't have inconvenience by giving the link out on the list.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: joseph hudson
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

Jean, I'm unable to test this right now because I'm the only one inside my meeting. If you would like to come in, you're more than welcome to test it out. The meeting link will be below. I started her hosting a virtual office on zoom Monday through Friday from 11 AM to 11 PM. And I didn't want to advertise this on your group because of it already being so high traffic. But I'm gonna go ahead and provide this and then when we get some results we will report back to the group. My video is off currently. So I am ready to test.

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3437608339
joseph hudson

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On Aug 24, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Is the raise hand option available?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: joseph hudson
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:30 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

Hi Jean, yes I host Kim connect without video. I have actually been known to turn off my video at some times while being connected to a meeting. Especially if I didn't know if anybody was going to come in the room and I could go around the room and do other things that she'll not be mentioned on this list.D
joseph hudson

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jhud7789@...


Office phone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency sell

254-813-2461

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https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Aug 24, 2020, at 1:27 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

If you mean that the host has to have his video on, that mayn be. But it isn't clear what you meanor what you were told. The command is available to phone users so if what you were told means anything, it must mean that the host must be connected visually. I don't know if hosts can connect without using a visual connection but I would think it would be rare, if it can be done.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

I'm told the raise the hand thing only works on something that's video.
Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

We don't know why. As I said, what sense does it make for a company to
design a system where phone users are at a disadvantage? There are,
doubtless, a lot of people who join meetings by phone for various reasons.

Also, there is a raise the hand command that you can do by phone. It is my
understanding that if a host mutes the whole room, you can unmute yourself
and talk. However, perhaps there is a way that the host can mute everyone
where he has to recognize anyone who wishes to speak, requiring that a hand
be raised.

Perhaps we will get more information.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

There is an unmute because it works when you mute yourself. There have been
people who have tried to unmute them selves, and finally, they either called
back or got unmuted and said they were trying to get heard, and we didn't
hear them for minutes and minutes. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

I don't know anything about how much the person knows or how reliable he is
in what he says about technical matters. Also, if someone tells me
something that is likely to be illogical, I'm skeptical. In this case, what
you were told appears to be illogical. Why would there be an unmute command
if you can't unmute yourself? It might be objected that the command only
works by phone if you mute yourself but that would be a completely illogical
design. Of course, somethimes a program is illogically designed but that
isn't the usual case.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

The command is star 6. But when I was in the class on Friday, the guy said
he didn't want to mute everybody, because if he did that, we couldn't unmute
ourselves. So, he kept saying that somebody was making noise and that
person should mute themselves. Star 6 is a toggle. I had never before
heard that if the head person mutes everybody, only that person can unmute
people, so that was a surprise to me. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

There is a specifric command for ;phone users to unmute themselves. And I
think they can do so, just as they can with a computer. I don't know that
because I haven't specifically searched for answers to the question but that
is by far the likely state of things. Why would the designers place phone
users at a disadvantage?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

That's if you are using a computer. The calls I have made are on the phone,
and what we use, which is google meet, it seems that if the person in charge
mutes everybody, that person is the only one who can unmute somebody. At
least, that's what he told us. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

I'm not sure what would happen if too many people tried to talk at once.
The best thing to do might be to mute everyone, you can do that as the host,
then have people unmute themselves to talk and mute themselves after they
do. I haven't used this feature, but pressing and holding the space bar is
supposed to unmute someone when they are muted and then releasing it would
mute them again. So people shouldn't have to keep unmuting and muting
themselves, just press the space bar to talk.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sharon Hooley
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

Hi,

How many participants, do you think, would be too much to keep everyone
unmuted during the entire meeting? In my case, I have six siblings and 18
nieces and nephews with their families. I wish everyone could come in at
once for conversation as if in person.. Any feedback would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,



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Re: number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

Gene
 

Thanks for making a test available. You may have seen the message from another member who said that the feature works when the host is not using video. I hope you don't have inconvenience by giving the link out on the list.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: joseph hudson
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

Jean, I'm unable to test this right now because I'm the only one inside my meeting. If you would like to come in, you're more than welcome to test it out. The meeting link will be below. I started her hosting a virtual office on zoom Monday through Friday from 11 AM to 11 PM. And I didn't want to advertise this on your group because of it already being so high traffic. But I'm gonna go ahead and provide this and then when we get some results we will report back to the group. My video is off currently. So I am ready to test.

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3437608339
joseph hudson

Email FaceTime and iMessage
jhud7789@...


Office phone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency sell

254-813-2461

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404

https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Aug 24, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Is the raise hand option available?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: joseph hudson
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:30 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

Hi Jean, yes I host Kim connect without video. I have actually been known to turn off my video at some times while being connected to a meeting. Especially if I didn't know if anybody was going to come in the room and I could go around the room and do other things that she'll not be mentioned on this list.D
joseph hudson

Email FaceTime and iMessage
jhud7789@...


Office phone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency sell

254-813-2461

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404

https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Aug 24, 2020, at 1:27 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

If you mean that the host has to have his video on, that mayn be. But it isn't clear what you meanor what you were told. The command is available to phone users so if what you were told means anything, it must mean that the host must be connected visually. I don't know if hosts can connect without using a visual connection but I would think it would be rare, if it can be done.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

I'm told the raise the hand thing only works on something that's video.
Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

We don't know why. As I said, what sense does it make for a company to
design a system where phone users are at a disadvantage? There are,
doubtless, a lot of people who join meetings by phone for various reasons.

Also, there is a raise the hand command that you can do by phone. It is my
understanding that if a host mutes the whole room, you can unmute yourself
and talk. However, perhaps there is a way that the host can mute everyone
where he has to recognize anyone who wishes to speak, requiring that a hand
be raised.

Perhaps we will get more information.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

There is an unmute because it works when you mute yourself. There have been
people who have tried to unmute them selves, and finally, they either called
back or got unmuted and said they were trying to get heard, and we didn't
hear them for minutes and minutes. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

I don't know anything about how much the person knows or how reliable he is
in what he says about technical matters. Also, if someone tells me
something that is likely to be illogical, I'm skeptical. In this case, what
you were told appears to be illogical. Why would there be an unmute command
if you can't unmute yourself? It might be objected that the command only
works by phone if you mute yourself but that would be a completely illogical
design. Of course, somethimes a program is illogically designed but that
isn't the usual case.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

The command is star 6. But when I was in the class on Friday, the guy said
he didn't want to mute everybody, because if he did that, we couldn't unmute
ourselves. So, he kept saying that somebody was making noise and that
person should mute themselves. Star 6 is a toggle. I had never before
heard that if the head person mutes everybody, only that person can unmute
people, so that was a surprise to me. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

There is a specifric command for ;phone users to unmute themselves. And I
think they can do so, just as they can with a computer. I don't know that
because I haven't specifically searched for answers to the question but that
is by far the likely state of things. Why would the designers place phone
users at a disadvantage?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

That's if you are using a computer. The calls I have made are on the phone,
and what we use, which is google meet, it seems that if the person in charge
mutes everybody, that person is the only one who can unmute somebody. At
least, that's what he told us. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

I'm not sure what would happen if too many people tried to talk at once.
The best thing to do might be to mute everyone, you can do that as the host,
then have people unmute themselves to talk and mute themselves after they
do. I haven't used this feature, but pressing and holding the space bar is
supposed to unmute someone when they are muted and then releasing it would
mute them again. So people shouldn't have to keep unmuting and muting
themselves, just press the space bar to talk.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sharon Hooley
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

Hi,

How many participants, do you think, would be too much to keep everyone
unmuted during the entire meeting? In my case, I have six siblings and 18
nieces and nephews with their families. I wish everyone could come in at
once for conversation as if in person.. Any feedback would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,



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Re: number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

joseph hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

OK, I just checked this out I did have somebody come in the room who is not a host or was not at the time, and I turned off my video and hers was also off. And she was able to raise her hand and I was able to get the alert notification that our hand was raised. And I could've told her to speak or whatever. Hope this answers your guises question.

On Aug 24, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Sugar Lopez <sugarsyl71@...> wrote:

I have been attending zoom meetings for a while now and most recently they have started to do this:
The host may mute everyone in the meeting room but the host no longer can unmute the individuals.
So people have to unmute themselves.
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 8:17 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

The thing I don't like about automatic muting and then allowing unmuting one at a time is that it makes me feel isolated. I agree that if someone is making noise, I would ask him or her to mute or I do that, and if it was for business, I'd want to mute automatically at the beginning, but in a casual setting, I like the environment to be as realistic as long as we can each be heard, with a bunch of people laughing at a joke and a little bit of cutting in, like being in a room in person.



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On Aug 24, 2020, at 8:57 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Its much simpler for the host to mute everyone and explain that people can unmute themselves if they want to talk. I don't know what the families are like in this large group, but maybe with babies crying, dogs barking, phones ringing, and maybe doing other things like having snacks, and rustling bags continually, to name things that are likely In large family groups, makes the host muting everyone the easiest thing to do. I believe that that should be the default in the first place. It was the default for Talking Communities. I think the Zoom default is one more example of technology designers putting convenience before common sense and what would be the best benefit to users.

All the host has to do is explain at the start of the meeting that she has muted everyone and that they can unmute themselves or temporarily unmute themselves by pressing and holding the space bar to talk.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Blaster
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 8:49 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

Ann totally nailed it, I'll just add this, Most people just don't know
their being rude or disruptive with all of the everyday noise in their
environment. It's just easier to explain that all of the background
noise from all of the participants can make it hard to hear what's
going on, so everyone should self mute and unmute at all times. If you
lay down the ground rules from the start, nobody should feel like
their being picked on.

Blaster


On 8/24/20, Sharon Hooley <shooley42@...> wrote:
Oh Anne,


You had a fun way of explaining this, so much that i had to read it
more than once! I like that style of learning things.


Thanks,


On 8/24/2020 5:57 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,

It depends on the group and its purpose. If you are getting
together as a family for chatting and exchanging news, then you want
to keep everyone unmuted unless somebody's being disruptive. Just
ask people to be mindful that others may want to speak too. If Aunt
Zelda keeps hogging the mike, remind her gently that little Janet wants to speak.
If Uncle Brad starts swearing like usual mute him! If shy Cindy
wants to tell about her new kitten, let her do that and tell
everybody else to shut-up! If cousin Warren is banging around in
the kitchen, mute him, or ask him to mute himself if he's going to
load the dishwasher cuz people can't hear. Family gatherings need a
moderator with a strong hand on the helm. Hey, if it really gets
bad, mute everybody and make them raise their hands.

Ann P.











Question Regarding Accessibility of Creating Surveys on Surveymonkey

David Goldfield
 

Hello. I have been asked how accessible the Surveymonkey.com Web site is with screen readers as far as creating surveys. I can create very simple surveys but I have so far been unable to figure out how to create multiple choice questions with controls such as radio buttons. I'm trying to figure out if there are settings that I just have not gotten to yet or if the site just isn't accessible.


--
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Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
www.DavidGoldfield.org


Re: number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

Sugar Lopez
 

I have been attending zoom meetings for a while now and most recently they have started to do this:
The host may mute everyone in the meeting room but the host no longer can unmute the individuals.
So people have to unmute themselves.
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 8:17 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

The thing I don't like about automatic muting and then allowing unmuting one at a time is that it makes me feel isolated. I agree that if someone is making noise, I would ask him or her to mute or I do that, and if it was for business, I'd want to mute automatically at the beginning, but in a casual setting, I like the environment to be as realistic as long as we can each be heard, with a bunch of people laughing at a joke and a little bit of cutting in, like being in a room in person.



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On Aug 24, 2020, at 8:57 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Its much simpler for the host to mute everyone and explain that people can unmute themselves if they want to talk. I don't know what the families are like in this large group, but maybe with babies crying, dogs barking, phones ringing, and maybe doing other things like having snacks, and rustling bags continually, to name things that are likely In large family groups, makes the host muting everyone the easiest thing to do. I believe that that should be the default in the first place. It was the default for Talking Communities. I think the Zoom default is one more example of technology designers putting convenience before common sense and what would be the best benefit to users.

All the host has to do is explain at the start of the meeting that she has muted everyone and that they can unmute themselves or temporarily unmute themselves by pressing and holding the space bar to talk.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Blaster
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 8:49 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

Ann totally nailed it, I'll just add this, Most people just don't know
their being rude or disruptive with all of the everyday noise in their
environment. It's just easier to explain that all of the background
noise from all of the participants can make it hard to hear what's
going on, so everyone should self mute and unmute at all times. If you
lay down the ground rules from the start, nobody should feel like
their being picked on.

Blaster


On 8/24/20, Sharon Hooley <shooley42@...> wrote:
Oh Anne,


You had a fun way of explaining this, so much that i had to read it
more than once! I like that style of learning things.


Thanks,


On 8/24/2020 5:57 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,

It depends on the group and its purpose. If you are getting
together as a family for chatting and exchanging news, then you want
to keep everyone unmuted unless somebody's being disruptive. Just
ask people to be mindful that others may want to speak too. If Aunt
Zelda keeps hogging the mike, remind her gently that little Janet wants to speak.
If Uncle Brad starts swearing like usual mute him! If shy Cindy
wants to tell about her new kitten, let her do that and tell
everybody else to shut-up! If cousin Warren is banging around in
the kitchen, mute him, or ask him to mute himself if he's going to
load the dishwasher cuz people can't hear. Family gatherings need a
moderator with a strong hand on the helm. Hey, if it really gets
bad, mute everybody and make them raise their hands.

Ann P.






Linux groups for the blind

 

Hi guys,
I was wondering if anyone knew if there were any Lennix email groups for the blind? I am taking a Linux course through my college this semester and was wondering what parts of Lenix might be assessable to me.
Thanks,


Ashley Breger


Re: number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

joseph hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Jean, I'm unable to test this right now because I'm the only one inside my meeting. If you would like to come in, you're more than welcome to test it out. The meeting link will be below. I started her hosting a virtual office on zoom Monday through Friday from 11 AM to 11 PM. And I didn't want to advertise this on your group because of it already being so high traffic. But I'm gonna go ahead and provide this and then when we get some results we will report back to the group. My video is off currently. So I am ready to test.

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3437608339
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On Aug 24, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Is the raise hand option available?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: joseph hudson
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:30 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

Hi Jean, yes I host Kim connect without video. I have actually been known to turn off my video at some times while being connected to a meeting. Especially if I didn't know if anybody was going to come in the room and I could go around the room and do other things that she'll not be mentioned on this list.D
joseph hudson

Email FaceTime and iMessage
jhud7789@...


Office phone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency sell

254-813-2461

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https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Aug 24, 2020, at 1:27 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

If you mean that the host has to have his video on, that mayn be. But it isn't clear what you meanor what you were told. The command is available to phone users so if what you were told means anything, it must mean that the host must be connected visually. I don't know if hosts can connect without using a visual connection but I would think it would be rare, if it can be done.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

I'm told the raise the hand thing only works on something that's video.
Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

We don't know why. As I said, what sense does it make for a company to
design a system where phone users are at a disadvantage? There are,
doubtless, a lot of people who join meetings by phone for various reasons.

Also, there is a raise the hand command that you can do by phone. It is my
understanding that if a host mutes the whole room, you can unmute yourself
and talk. However, perhaps there is a way that the host can mute everyone
where he has to recognize anyone who wishes to speak, requiring that a hand
be raised.

Perhaps we will get more information.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

There is an unmute because it works when you mute yourself. There have been
people who have tried to unmute them selves, and finally, they either called
back or got unmuted and said they were trying to get heard, and we didn't
hear them for minutes and minutes. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

I don't know anything about how much the person knows or how reliable he is
in what he says about technical matters. Also, if someone tells me
something that is likely to be illogical, I'm skeptical. In this case, what
you were told appears to be illogical. Why would there be an unmute command
if you can't unmute yourself? It might be objected that the command only
works by phone if you mute yourself but that would be a completely illogical
design. Of course, somethimes a program is illogically designed but that
isn't the usual case.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

The command is star 6. But when I was in the class on Friday, the guy said
he didn't want to mute everybody, because if he did that, we couldn't unmute
ourselves. So, he kept saying that somebody was making noise and that
person should mute themselves. Star 6 is a toggle. I had never before
heard that if the head person mutes everybody, only that person can unmute
people, so that was a surprise to me. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

There is a specifric command for ;phone users to unmute themselves. And I
think they can do so, just as they can with a computer. I don't know that
because I haven't specifically searched for answers to the question but that
is by far the likely state of things. Why would the designers place phone
users at a disadvantage?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

That's if you are using a computer. The calls I have made are on the phone,
and what we use, which is google meet, it seems that if the person in charge
mutes everybody, that person is the only one who can unmute somebody. At
least, that's what he told us. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

I'm not sure what would happen if too many people tried to talk at once.
The best thing to do might be to mute everyone, you can do that as the host,
then have people unmute themselves to talk and mute themselves after they
do. I haven't used this feature, but pressing and holding the space bar is
supposed to unmute someone when they are muted and then releasing it would
mute them again. So people shouldn't have to keep unmuting and muting
themselves, just press the space bar to talk.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sharon Hooley
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

Hi,

How many participants, do you think, would be too much to keep everyone
unmuted during the entire meeting? In my case, I have six siblings and 18
nieces and nephews with their families. I wish everyone could come in at
once for conversation as if in person.. Any feedback would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,



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Re: number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

chris judge
 

I host meetings using zoom all the time, and I rarely have my video on. I
would recommend anyone interested in doing any serious hosting get the
professional zoom scripts from Brian Hartgen as they really do enhance the
accessibility of zoom. While focused on the participants list you can scroll
through the names. Jaws will indicate who has their hand raised.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: August 24, 2020 3:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

If you mean that the host has to have his video on, that mayn be. But it
isn't clear what you meanor what you were told. The command is available to
phone users so if what you were told means anything, it must mean that the
host must be connected visually. I don't know if hosts can connect without
using a visual connection but I would think it would be rare, if it can be
done.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted

during a meeting?

I'm told the raise the hand thing only works on something that's video.
Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

We don't know why. As I said, what sense does it make for a company to
design a system where phone users are at a disadvantage? There are,
doubtless, a lot of people who join meetings by phone for various reasons.

Also, there is a raise the hand command that you can do by phone. It is my
understanding that if a host mutes the whole room, you can unmute yourself
and talk. However, perhaps there is a way that the host can mute everyone
where he has to recognize anyone who wishes to speak, requiring that a hand
be raised.

Perhaps we will get more information.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

There is an unmute because it works when you mute yourself. There have been
people who have tried to unmute them selves, and finally, they either called
back or got unmuted and said they were trying to get heard, and we didn't
hear them for minutes and minutes. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

I don't know anything about how much the person knows or how reliable he is
in what he says about technical matters. Also, if someone tells me
something that is likely to be illogical, I'm skeptical. In this case, what
you were told appears to be illogical. Why would there be an unmute command
if you can't unmute yourself? It might be objected that the command only
works by phone if you mute yourself but that would be a completely illogical
design. Of course, somethimes a program is illogically designed but that
isn't the usual case.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

The command is star 6. But when I was in the class on Friday, the guy said
he didn't want to mute everybody, because if he did that, we couldn't unmute
ourselves. So, he kept saying that somebody was making noise and that
person should mute themselves. Star 6 is a toggle. I had never before
heard that if the head person mutes everybody, only that person can unmute
people, so that was a surprise to me. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

There is a specifric command for ;phone users to unmute themselves. And I
think they can do so, just as they can with a computer. I don't know that
because I haven't specifically searched for answers to the question but that
is by far the likely state of things. Why would the designers place phone
users at a disadvantage?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

That's if you are using a computer. The calls I have made are on the phone,
and what we use, which is google meet, it seems that if the person in charge
mutes everybody, that person is the only one who can unmute somebody. At
least, that's what he told us. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

I'm not sure what would happen if too many people tried to talk at once.
The best thing to do might be to mute everyone, you can do that as the host,
then have people unmute themselves to talk and mute themselves after they
do. I haven't used this feature, but pressing and holding the space bar is
supposed to unmute someone when they are muted and then releasing it would
mute them again. So people shouldn't have to keep unmuting and muting
themselves, just press the space bar to talk.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Hooley
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

Hi,

How many participants, do you think, would be too much to keep everyone
unmuted during the entire meeting? In my case, I have six siblings and 18
nieces and nephews with their families. I wish everyone could come in at
once for conversation as if in person.. Any feedback would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,



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Re: number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

Gene
 

Is the raise hand option available?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: joseph hudson
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:30 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

Hi Jean, yes I host Kim connect without video. I have actually been known to turn off my video at some times while being connected to a meeting. Especially if I didn't know if anybody was going to come in the room and I could go around the room and do other things that she'll not be mentioned on this list.D
joseph hudson

Email FaceTime and iMessage
jhud7789@...


Office phone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency sell

254-813-2461

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404

https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Aug 24, 2020, at 1:27 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

If you mean that the host has to have his video on, that mayn be. But it isn't clear what you meanor what you were told. The command is available to phone users so if what you were told means anything, it must mean that the host must be connected visually. I don't know if hosts can connect without using a visual connection but I would think it would be rare, if it can be done.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

I'm told the raise the hand thing only works on something that's video.
Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

We don't know why. As I said, what sense does it make for a company to
design a system where phone users are at a disadvantage? There are,
doubtless, a lot of people who join meetings by phone for various reasons.

Also, there is a raise the hand command that you can do by phone. It is my
understanding that if a host mutes the whole room, you can unmute yourself
and talk. However, perhaps there is a way that the host can mute everyone
where he has to recognize anyone who wishes to speak, requiring that a hand
be raised.

Perhaps we will get more information.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

There is an unmute because it works when you mute yourself. There have been
people who have tried to unmute them selves, and finally, they either called
back or got unmuted and said they were trying to get heard, and we didn't
hear them for minutes and minutes. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

I don't know anything about how much the person knows or how reliable he is
in what he says about technical matters. Also, if someone tells me
something that is likely to be illogical, I'm skeptical. In this case, what
you were told appears to be illogical. Why would there be an unmute command
if you can't unmute yourself? It might be objected that the command only
works by phone if you mute yourself but that would be a completely illogical
design. Of course, somethimes a program is illogically designed but that
isn't the usual case.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

The command is star 6. But when I was in the class on Friday, the guy said
he didn't want to mute everybody, because if he did that, we couldn't unmute
ourselves. So, he kept saying that somebody was making noise and that
person should mute themselves. Star 6 is a toggle. I had never before
heard that if the head person mutes everybody, only that person can unmute
people, so that was a surprise to me. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

There is a specifric command for ;phone users to unmute themselves. And I
think they can do so, just as they can with a computer. I don't know that
because I haven't specifically searched for answers to the question but that
is by far the likely state of things. Why would the designers place phone
users at a disadvantage?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

That's if you are using a computer. The calls I have made are on the phone,
and what we use, which is google meet, it seems that if the person in charge
mutes everybody, that person is the only one who can unmute somebody. At
least, that's what he told us. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

I'm not sure what would happen if too many people tried to talk at once.
The best thing to do might be to mute everyone, you can do that as the host,
then have people unmute themselves to talk and mute themselves after they
do. I haven't used this feature, but pressing and holding the space bar is
supposed to unmute someone when they are muted and then releasing it would
mute them again. So people shouldn't have to keep unmuting and muting
themselves, just press the space bar to talk.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sharon Hooley
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

Hi,

How many participants, do you think, would be too much to keep everyone
unmuted during the entire meeting? In my case, I have six siblings and 18
nieces and nephews with their families. I wish everyone could come in at
once for conversation as if in person.. Any feedback would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,



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Re: number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

joseph hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Hi Jean, yes I host Kim connect without video. I have actually been known to turn off my video at some times while being connected to a meeting. Especially if I didn't know if anybody was going to come in the room and I could go around the room and do other things that she'll not be mentioned on this list.D
joseph hudson

Email FaceTime and iMessage
jhud7789@...


Office phone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency sell

254-813-2461

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404

https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Aug 24, 2020, at 1:27 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

If you mean that the host has to have his video on, that mayn be. But it isn't clear what you meanor what you were told. The command is available to phone users so if what you were told means anything, it must mean that the host must be connected visually. I don't know if hosts can connect without using a visual connection but I would think it would be rare, if it can be done.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

I'm told the raise the hand thing only works on something that's video.
Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

We don't know why. As I said, what sense does it make for a company to
design a system where phone users are at a disadvantage? There are,
doubtless, a lot of people who join meetings by phone for various reasons.

Also, there is a raise the hand command that you can do by phone. It is my
understanding that if a host mutes the whole room, you can unmute yourself
and talk. However, perhaps there is a way that the host can mute everyone
where he has to recognize anyone who wishes to speak, requiring that a hand
be raised.

Perhaps we will get more information.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

There is an unmute because it works when you mute yourself. There have been
people who have tried to unmute them selves, and finally, they either called
back or got unmuted and said they were trying to get heard, and we didn't
hear them for minutes and minutes. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

I don't know anything about how much the person knows or how reliable he is
in what he says about technical matters. Also, if someone tells me
something that is likely to be illogical, I'm skeptical. In this case, what
you were told appears to be illogical. Why would there be an unmute command
if you can't unmute yourself? It might be objected that the command only
works by phone if you mute yourself but that would be a completely illogical
design. Of course, somethimes a program is illogically designed but that
isn't the usual case.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

The command is star 6. But when I was in the class on Friday, the guy said
he didn't want to mute everybody, because if he did that, we couldn't unmute
ourselves. So, he kept saying that somebody was making noise and that
person should mute themselves. Star 6 is a toggle. I had never before
heard that if the head person mutes everybody, only that person can unmute
people, so that was a surprise to me. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

There is a specifric command for ;phone users to unmute themselves. And I
think they can do so, just as they can with a computer. I don't know that
because I haven't specifically searched for answers to the question but that
is by far the likely state of things. Why would the designers place phone
users at a disadvantage?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

That's if you are using a computer. The calls I have made are on the phone,
and what we use, which is google meet, it seems that if the person in charge
mutes everybody, that person is the only one who can unmute somebody. At
least, that's what he told us. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

I'm not sure what would happen if too many people tried to talk at once.
The best thing to do might be to mute everyone, you can do that as the host,
then have people unmute themselves to talk and mute themselves after they
do. I haven't used this feature, but pressing and holding the space bar is
supposed to unmute someone when they are muted and then releasing it would
mute them again. So people shouldn't have to keep unmuting and muting
themselves, just press the space bar to talk.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sharon Hooley
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

Hi,

How many participants, do you think, would be too much to keep everyone
unmuted during the entire meeting? In my case, I have six siblings and 18
nieces and nephews with their families. I wish everyone could come in at
once for conversation as if in person.. Any feedback would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,



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Re: number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

 

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 09:54 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
How many participants, do you think, would be too much to keep everyone unmuted during the entire meeting?
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As others have already noted, the actual answer to this would depend entirely on the behavior of the attendees.  In theory you could keep everyone unmuted and be fine; in practice this virtually never works, simply because there is so much opportunity for interruption due to ambient noise that can occur at random at any single or multiple participants' end.

That's why it's become pretty much standard practice for meeting organizers to set things up such that any attendee joins muted by default, and can unmute/mute themselves as necessary.  It's not like there's much of a trick to toggling the mute in any one of the online meeting platforms.  And, of course, if there are several participants involved in a true "back and forth" those participants would remain unmuted until that exchange is complete.
 
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Re: number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

Gene
 

If you mean that the host has to have his video on, that mayn be. But it isn't clear what you meanor what you were told. The command is available to phone users so if what you were told means anything, it must mean that the host must be connected visually. I don't know if hosts can connect without using a visual connection but I would think it would be rare, if it can be done.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

I'm told the raise the hand thing only works on something that's video.
Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

We don't know why. As I said, what sense does it make for a company to
design a system where phone users are at a disadvantage? There are,
doubtless, a lot of people who join meetings by phone for various reasons.

Also, there is a raise the hand command that you can do by phone. It is my
understanding that if a host mutes the whole room, you can unmute yourself
and talk. However, perhaps there is a way that the host can mute everyone
where he has to recognize anyone who wishes to speak, requiring that a hand
be raised.

Perhaps we will get more information.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

There is an unmute because it works when you mute yourself. There have been
people who have tried to unmute them selves, and finally, they either called
back or got unmuted and said they were trying to get heard, and we didn't
hear them for minutes and minutes. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

I don't know anything about how much the person knows or how reliable he is
in what he says about technical matters. Also, if someone tells me
something that is likely to be illogical, I'm skeptical. In this case, what
you were told appears to be illogical. Why would there be an unmute command
if you can't unmute yourself? It might be objected that the command only
works by phone if you mute yourself but that would be a completely illogical
design. Of course, somethimes a program is illogically designed but that
isn't the usual case.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

The command is star 6. But when I was in the class on Friday, the guy said
he didn't want to mute everybody, because if he did that, we couldn't unmute
ourselves. So, he kept saying that somebody was making noise and that
person should mute themselves. Star 6 is a toggle. I had never before
heard that if the head person mutes everybody, only that person can unmute
people, so that was a surprise to me. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 11:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

There is a specifric command for ;phone users to unmute themselves. And I
think they can do so, just as they can with a computer. I don't know that
because I haven't specifically searched for answers to the question but that
is by far the likely state of things. Why would the designers place phone
users at a disadvantage?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 9:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

That's if you are using a computer. The calls I have made are on the phone,
and what we use, which is google meet, it seems that if the person in charge
mutes everybody, that person is the only one who can unmute somebody. At
least, that's what he told us. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

I'm not sure what would happen if too many people tried to talk at once.
The best thing to do might be to mute everyone, you can do that as the host,
then have people unmute themselves to talk and mute themselves after they
do. I haven't used this feature, but pressing and holding the space bar is
supposed to unmute someone when they are muted and then releasing it would
mute them again. So people shouldn't have to keep unmuting and muting
themselves, just press the space bar to talk.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Hooley
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted
during a meeting?

Hi,

How many participants, do you think, would be too much to keep everyone
unmuted during the entire meeting? In my case, I have six siblings and 18
nieces and nephews with their families. I wish everyone could come in at
once for conversation as if in person.. Any feedback would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,



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