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Re: Orbit Questions

Josh Kennedy
 

bookshare books can be audio books if you wish them to be. if you set your download bookshare preference to audio, then you will get audio. if you set them to word docx then you get a word docx file. like if i download a spanish textbook, i would get it in word docx format, and then use send to braille set to the spanish table and translate it to braille that way. but for english language books, i just set bookshare to give me a grade2 brf file and it does it and zips it up for me. bookshare will give you books several different ways all depending on how your download preferences are set on the bookshare website inside your account. 

josh


Re: Orbit Questions

Josh Kennedy
 

oh and i also use my orbit20 to stand up in front of the congregation in church, at the microphone, and i read the church readings off of the orbit20 on some sundays. nobody minds the refreshing noise of the orbit in the quietness of the church at all. 

josh


Re: Orbit Questions

Josh Kennedy
 

I used my orbit last night connected to my computer to read some wikipedia articles in braille. and then I installed the free math player program and tried out the freedom scientific math ml examples website. and it was so cool that the orbit reader showed me the math in nemeth braille! now my question is this. is there a way for blind people to make math-ml content, in an accessible way, in other words for us to make our own math-ml content for printing or sending to a teacher? 
and it did not matter if my braille tables for NVDA were set to grade2 ueb, it still showed me nemeth math braille. 
Josh


Re: amerzon ehco

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


You can also use the website alexa.amazon.com, log in with your Amazon account credentials and set up any echo device from there. This is unlike the Google Home which requires a smart phone app.

On 11/17/2018 2:57 AM, A.Mac via Groups.Io wrote:
hi all, i took the leap and bought a amerzon ehco 2 from amerzon on there  black friday deal, i.e it was £35 cheaper.

my question is, i know that you have to down load the alexa app to your phone to set up your ehco , but in the app do you have to put in your  wi-fi, and can it all be set up with siri ok or do you need sited help.

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Re: Length of a white cane?

Jim Wohlgamuth
 

I agree! I have been told my some folks that my cane is to short or at least I am not extending it far enough since I use a telescoping cane but I think one should use a cane that they are comfortable with not use one that is determined by one's heighth or whatever.  I honestly believe that it is and should be a matter of personal preference.  Just my opinion for whatever that is worth these days<SMILE!>  Have A Great Day! de

<Wohlggie@...><KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>.

On 16-Nov-18 23:30, Penny Golden wrote:

and I like a really pretty short cane.  The chin stuff makes me very uncomfortable.  I always extend my arm pretty far, and I like my cane, oh, about up to my waist.  I know I'm a hazzard, but i'm 71. so maybe not so much as one would think.

Penny.

Pam, you got snow yesterday; are you in New York?  There the snow was a surprise; they were talking about it on our radio station here in Omaha. Well, the station is in Omaha; i'm further west.



On 11/16/2018 7:31 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
You measure your cane by what feels comfortable for you to use.  This rib cage stuff is bonkers.  It makes you have to walk really very slow in order to use it.  My cames come up to at least my chin.  Pam.
 
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:19 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Length of a white cane?
 

Hi List, I’m not a cane user, but a friend, who is no longer eligible for mobility training, needs to replace her cane. 

 

She asked me what’s the going place for measuring yourself for your cain? Example, arm pit?

 

Would this length of cain assume a tip of about 2 inches?  I ask this, since of course, tips come in many different sizes and thus, different lengths.

 

Thanks very much for any advice!

 

Sincerely, Vicky

 


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how to make a hot key with jaws

Lorena Pennington
 

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Changing the Date of a BARD Magazine

Evan Reese
 

Hey Guys, I posted this to the BARD Talk list, but got no responses. Perhaps someone here might know the answer to this.
I just picked up the latest issue of the Economist magazine. Now, on BARD it says
November 17 to November 26. So I downloaded the magazine and put it on my Book Sense.
When I played it, the narrator of the magazine said November 17 to November 23, 2018, which is what you would
expect, since it’s a weekly magazine.
But whenever I hit the 0 button to check the time used and the time remaining of the magazine on my Book Sense, it says November 17, to November 26.
Is there any way to fix that? Do any of you know where my Book Sense is getting that
wrong date? Is it reading one of the Daisy files in the folder of the magazine? Can
I fix it?
Thanks much.
Evan


Re: Length of a white cane?

Gene
 

That's good that you clarified.  Unless you are a very slow walker, I consider a cane that short to be almost useless.  Even with my cane length that is a little above my armpit, a little below my chin, if I walk rather quickly, I need a quick reaction time to avoid certain obstacles and unexpected changes such as unexpected down stairs or a pit from construction. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Length of a white cane?

I was meaning that my preference for a short cane makes me dangerous to myself. Sorry.

I agree with what you say about the use of the cane. and my folding canes are rarely folded.   Best, Pen



On 11/17/2018 6:24 AM, Gene wrote:
Thinking that using a cane makes you dangerous to others is a bad way to look at it.  People have a responsibility to be aware of their surroundings.  Of course, you should be alert as well and if you hear someone coming, you should do your part to be out of their way.  But if someone isn't paying attention and doesn't see your cane, which is designed to be seen, it's very visible, that's their fault. 
 
It may be that if you really go overboard and get a ridiculously long cane, maybe taller than you are, that may make you too much of a hazard, but I don't think its at all unreasonable to use a proper cane for your needs.  And it isn't a blind person's responsibility to take on the responsibility of others.  Sighted people can see.  Like it or not, that makes things easier for them.  My heart doesn't bleed for the negligently careless sighted person who doesn't bother to know what is around them and canes are designed to be very visible.  I haven't thought about this until now, but it may be a valid argument that blind cane users should not use canes without reflective tape on them both for their own safety and that of others, to make the cane more visible.  Canes have reflective tape.  What else do careless people want--a siren attached?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
At 11:30 PM 11/16/2018, Penny Golden, wrote:

and I like a really pretty short cane.  The chin stuff makes me very uncomfortable.  I always extend my arm pretty far, and I like my cane, oh, about up to my waist.  I know I'm a hazzard, but i'm 71. so maybe not so much as one would think.

Penny.

Pam, you got snow yesterday; are you in New York?  There the snow was a surprise; they were talking about it on our radio station here in Omaha. Well, the station is in Omaha; i'm further west.



On 11/16/2018 7:31 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
You measure your cane by what feels comfortable for you to use.  This rib cage stuff is bonkers.  It makes you have to walk really very slow in order to use it.  My cames come up to at least my chin.  Pam.
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Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:19 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Length of a white cane?
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Hi List, I’m not a cane user, but a friend, who is no longer eligible for mobility training, needs to replace her cane. 

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She asked me what’s the going place for measuring yourself for your cain? Example, arm pit?

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Would this length of cain assume a tip of about 2 inches?  I ask this, since of course, tips come in many different sizes and thus, different lengths.

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Sincerely, Vicky

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Re: Braille Display Questions

Eleni Vamvakari
 

To Aman Singer:"
I'm currently in the process of seeking Pacmate driver. From what I
recall, I must search for the Focus one, as it works on both units.

No, I definitely wasn't being sarcastic with relation to his and him.
I am a grammar prescriptivist and am against political correctness and
the language it creates. So this made me smile.

Yes, I would consider the Pacmate to be an extra, but quite an
interesting one. I haven't used JFW since 4.5.

I always make sure that everything I buy on Ebay has been tested, is
working, and includes a return policy. There was one exception, but
the seller was extremely honest and specifically said that, due to the
age of the item, it might not work correctly, even though it was never
opened.

I never considered not taking into account opinions on the actual
braille of a braille display when reading a review. I thought that
would be a core component of the description and experience. But I
have only read a few such reviews in my life, since this is the first
time I considered buyin a braille display. Almost everything else
that I own is mainstream or cheap and simple enough that I could read
the description on the website and know whether i wanted it or not.
But I suppose it's like a keyboard. Everyone has his own opinion on
the matter.

I don't use bluetooth on anything, but it definitely explains the
extra expense. Plus, the one I saw was a 40-cell display, which
always cost more.

To Josh Kennedy:
I have heard negative things about the Orbit, so am a bit hesitant to
use it. As for the notetaker, it cannot save to the proper braille
code if it's not installed on the device. That is, even if I write
something using Greek braile, if I saved it and then tried to convert
it to txt or rtf and use it with my computer, it wouldn't work
correctly. Likewise, it probably couldn't read my files on my thumb
drive. But that doesn't really matter, as I will mainly be using such
a display with NVDA. I am glad that the issues with the Braille Me
have been resolved. As for the person I mentioned, he is not my
friend. This was from a review that I read.

To Victor:
Has your focus always had this issue or is it recent? I hope I don't
have the same issues with the Pacmate. I do remember that, sometimes,
the dots on my Braille Lite 2000 would stick up and I had to run my
finger across them, but that wasn't a serious issue. I can't ever
recall that happening with my BrailleNote. Personally, I wouldn't
mind 40 cells, though I would prefer them to be in two lines, not one.
It is easier to carry a smaller device.

To Chris G:
Thank you for the link. I am interested in hearing the podcast as well.

On 16/11/2018, Chris G <chris@...> wrote:
Hi Don,
Here is a link to the podcast in question.

https://www.mysticaccess.com/j04p


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*From:* Donald L. Roberts
*Sent:* Fri, Nov 16, 2018 12:59 PM EST
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* [TechTalk] Braille Display Questions


Josh, please could you send me a link to that Braille Me presentation.
Thanks.
Don Roberts

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Josh Kennedy <mailto:joshknnd1982@...>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Friday, November 16, 2018 6:32 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Braille Display Questions

yes i can confirm all braille me issues have been fixed. i
listened to a pennsylvania council of the blind podcast which
demonstrates and confirms the braille me is now a good device to
own, along with the orbit20.



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Re: Orbit Questions

Joe Giovanelli
 

You can rename a file on the Orbit Reader.

Joe G.

----- Original Message -----
From: Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 23:39
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions





It seems to me that one of the extensions, brf or brl, does a little more formatting than the other. Just out of curiosity, can you rename a file on the ORBIT?
Aman suggested I get an Orbit to look at; well, I'm not in a particular rush; so I figured that if I waited long enough, I'd run into a fellow blind reader or dealer in such things and see for myself. I think it is a great low-cost solution for those of us who need our braille displays, but who might have to send an expensive one away for awhile.
Pen
pengold2@...


On 11/16/2018 8:29 PM, Gene wrote:

I said before that you can just change the extensions. But on thinking about it, that was an assumption. Are there any differences between brf and brl other than the extension? I have always assumed not but then, why are there two extensions?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Giovanelli
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions


Yes, Orbit Reader knows BRF.

Joe G.

----- Original Message -----
From: Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 18:57
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions



While bookshare books are available in daisy format, I get all mine with
the brf extension. Does the Orbit believe in brf or only in brl? Yes,
BAUD and I were old friends.
But I was never the user that you all were. You could probably have
built an apple II E.
Best, Penny

Thanks. Penny

On 11/16/2018 3:24 PM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
Hi again,

I remember that you were a BAUD su bscriber. I don't remember if we ever chatted.

There are no problems with folders or daughter folders for that matter. The Reader can handle a 32 Gig SD card which means that you can have a ton of stuff in there.

Book Share books are audio books, right? Take note that there is no audio on this device. Braille is its only output.

Joe G.

----- Original Message -----
From: Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 12:03
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions


Joe, you and I go back to dos days. How I remember with great fondness
hearing you and the other old Apple folks chime in on the best ways to
do things.
Thanks for the info on the Orbit. I tend to use my units as
stand-alone, and don't pair them with anything useful except the
reading-fingers. (Smiles.)
I have approximately 7000 books from bookshare. Does the Orbit allow for
folders of books, let's say, by subject?
So all my history textbooks could be in a folder. when the folder is
opened, the books would show up in alphabetical order?
So just how does that SD card operate? What sorts of limits are there
to it?
Thanks so much.
Best,
Penny (Golden)
pengold2@...

On 11/16/2018 10:49 AM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
Hi, Penny,

You have the right slant on the Orbit reader. When set to its Stand Alone operation, the device is a simple word processor. It reads .txt, .brl a nd.brf documents.

In its Remote Mode, it can be connected to devices either via a USB cable or bluetooth. Information on the connected device is shown on the Orbit's display.

I only use the Orbit reader in Stand Alone.

The Braille is excellent. I thought I'd have difficulty with no speech and a 20 cell display, but I have had no problems at all.

I use the device to keep wear and tear to a minimum on my U2. HIMS charges too much for most repairs.

To sum up, I really enjoy my Orbit reader. Once you understand how to work with its Editor, I think You'll love it as well.

Joe Giovanelli



----- Original Message -----
From: Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:00
Subject: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions



I've changed the subject line a bit.
What I like about the Orbit so far is the price. I do not own one, but I own very expensive HIMS notetaking devices. I love them, but if they go down, I'm sunk. Last year I would love to have gotten a few cells replaced on my 32-cell u2 device. Nope; they couldn't do it; they wanted 2100 dollars to replace the entire braille display.
That's four orbits, in case you're keeping score.
I don't own an orbit yet. I'm considering it. It would be nice, first, to just be able to hold an orbit and work with it for 5 or 15 minutes.
My understanding is that it will open whatever file you have and that is what you see. if you have a text file, it does not translate it into braille, as we are so used to with our HIMS or braille-note type devices.
There is no speech either, isn't that right? And there's no flash memory, to store things. it's all done on an SD card, right?
Someone with an Orbit or with knowledge of it, perhaps you will chime in and help me a little.
If my inquiry is beyond the scope of what is desired on the list, I'll gladly move it into a private discussion.
all best,
Penny
pengold2@...
the old lady schoolmarm from Eastern Nebraska.









Is there an accessible way to project text only with Powerpoint or similar software?

Sharon Hooley
 

Hi,

I plan to begin a support group for people who are deaf or hard of hearing, related to the cochlear implant. As you can imagine, there will probably be those who can’t hear what others are saying. While those who can hear can help the others, I wish we could have a way for all to see a screen from sitting around restaurant tables. Any ideas?

Thanks,
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Re: Updated Firefox, and I don't like it

Steve Matzura
 

Amen brother!


On 11/16/2018 9:37 PM, Gene wrote:
You must mean the option in the download dialog when you tell firefox whether to save or open a file.  I have no idea why they removed it.  the things we are discussing seem to be a pattern of slowly removing features for no good or questionable reasons.  Remember something like two or three years ago when firefox designers removed the option to turn JAVA script support off and on from options?  At least there was the noscript add-on to partially save Firefox from its designers. Now, the things you are discussing are even more illogical.  At least regarding JAVA script, some people put forth the somewhat plausible hypothesis   that it may have been removed because people were confusing JAVA script with JAVA and were turning off JAVA script support and having all sorts of trouble.  But I can't think of any remotely plausible reasons for the changes that have been made now.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updated Firefox, and I don't like it

Hi, Gene:


Glad you're finding the same things I found. Makes me feel less stupid when others find them, too. I'm always thinking when things like this happen that I've obviously missed something I should not have.


It used to be that there was a checkbox labeled something like "Do this for all future downloads." That's gone.


Regarding the recommendation for always download, that's already set.


Why must they break these things? So annoying!


On 11/16/2018 12:04 PM, Gene wrote:
I've been looking at the new Firefox.  The download problem may be caused by a change in the options.  There are two radio buttons.  One says always download to.  If you use that one, you can specify one location to save files.  You can try that setting and see if files are automatically downloaded as you want. 
 
As for the problem of not being able to add file types to the actions list, that does appear to not be there.  I never used such a feature in earlier versions but I know there were a lot more filetypes in the default list. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updated Firefox, and I don't like it

I updated to that version recently.  I'm using the portable version and I have Chrome on my computer.  I don't know if using the portable version makes any difference.  Nothing was imported automatically.  The behavior you describe makes no sense and I'll be awaiting other comments. 
 
Why did you remove Chrome soon after installing it?  I don't have much preference between chroem and firefox but Chrome loads pages faster.  You may have removed it because you don't know one or two secrets that make it as or about as convenient to use as Firefox.  Discussing these may give you more options as to which browser you use.  Even if you don't use Chrome as your main browser, and I don't have an opinion about which is better overall, it is a very good idea to have multiple browsers available.  There are sites that Chrome works with much better in terms of accessibility and sites that Firefox does. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 10:15 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Updated Firefox, and I don't like it

There are things about browsers that, once established, shouldn't change
without notice. I encountered at least two when updating Firefox from
60.3.0 to 63.0.3, which I presume is the current version.


The first thing it did which I didn't want it to do was to import
everything--bookmarks, cookies, passwords, everything--from Chrome.
Thankfully I didn't have much to import because I only used Chrome for a
few days. Now I have to go back and remove it entirely, which I thought
I did when I uninstalled it.


But the second thing the new Firefox does which I absolutely do not
understand is, when downloading something, it displays the open/save
dialog, which isn't so bad in and of itself, but somebody decided to
take away the checkbox that says do this and don't ask me again. I had
to download forty files this way. Now I have to go into the options and
hope there's a way to change this behavior.


What other surprises await me? I shudder to think.





Re: amerzon ehco

Chris G
 

No steps require sighted help, even for the Echo devices with screens.
One needs to know ones network name, password and Amazon credentials.


From: Ashley Breger via Groups.Io
Sent: Sat, Nov 17, 2018 6:21 AM EST
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] amerzon ehco

You have to put your Wi-Fi password into the Alexa app and there are a few other steps that may require sighted help. I would be happy to walk you through the steps if you want to give me a call at 219-595-21to 3.


Ashley Breger

On Nov 17, 2018, at 2:57 AM, A.Mac via Groups.Io <a.mcaneney@...> wrote:

hi all, i took the leap and bought a amerzon ehco 2 from amerzon on there  black friday deal, i.e it was £35 cheaper.

my question is, i know that you have to down load the alexa app to your phone to set up your ehco , but in the app do you have to put in your  wi-fi, and can it all be set up with siri ok or do you need sited help.


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Re: Orbit Questions

Angelo Sonnesso
 

You can rename a file in orbit with spacebar (1236)

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Penny Golden
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions

 

 

It seems to me that one of the extensions, brf or brl, does a little more formatting than the other.  Just out of curiosity, can you rename a file on the ORBIT?
Aman suggested I get an Orbit to look at; well, I'm not in a particular rush; so I figured that if I waited long enough, I'd run into a fellow blind reader or dealer in such things and see for myself. I think it is a great low-cost solution for those of us who need our braille displays, but who might have to send an expensive one away for awhile.
Pen
pengold2@...
 

On 11/16/2018 8:29 PM, Gene wrote:

I said before that you can just change the extensions.  But on thinking about it, that was an assumption.  Are there any differences between brf and brl other than the extension?  I have always assumed not but then, why are there two extensions?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions

 

Yes, Orbit Reader knows BRF.

Joe G.

----- Original Message -----
From: Penny Golden  <pengold2@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 18:57
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions

>
>
> While bookshare books are available in daisy format, I get all mine with
> the brf extension.  Does the Orbit believe in brf or only in brl?  Yes,
> BAUD and I were old friends.
> But I was never the user that you all were.  You could probably have
> built an apple II E.
> Best, Penny
>
> Thanks. Penny
>
> On 11/16/2018 3:24 PM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
> >   Hi again,
> >
> > I remember that you were a BAUD su bscriber. I don't remember if we ever chatted.
> >
> > There are no problems with folders or daughter folders for that matter. The Reader can handle a 32 Gig SD card which means that you can have a ton of stuff in there.
> >
> > Book Share  books are audio books, right? Take note that there is no audio on this device. Braille is its only output.
> >
> > Joe G.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Penny Golden  <pengold2@...>
> > To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> > Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 12:03
> > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions
> >
> >>
> >> Joe, you and I go back to dos days.  How I remember with great fondness
> >> hearing you and the other old Apple folks chime in on the best ways to
> >> do things.
> >> Thanks for the info on the Orbit.   I tend to use my units as
> >> stand-alone, and don't pair them with anything useful except the
> >> reading-fingers. (Smiles.)
> >> I have approximately 7000 books from bookshare. Does the Orbit allow for
> >> folders of books, let's say, by subject?
> >> So all my history textbooks could be in a folder. when the folder is
> >> opened, the books would show up in alphabetical order?
> >> So just how does that SD card operate?  What sorts of limits are there
> >> to it?
> >> Thanks so much.
> >> Best,
> >> Penny (Golden)
> >> pengold2@...
> >>
> >> On 11/16/2018 10:49 AM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
> >>> Hi, Penny,
> >>>
> >>> You have the right slant on the Orbit reader. When set to its Stand Alone operation, the device is a simple word processor. It reads .txt, .brl a nd.brf documents.
> >>>
> >>> In its Remote Mode, it can be connected to devices either via a USB cable or bluetooth. Information on the connected device is shown on the Orbit's display.
> >>>
> >>> I only use the Orbit reader in Stand Alone.
> >>>
> >>> The Braille is excellent.  I thought I'd have difficulty with no speech and a 20 cell display, but I have had no problems at all.
> >>>
> >>> I use the device to keep wear and tear to a minimum on my U2. HIMS charges too much for most repairs.
> >>>
> >>> To sum up, I really enjoy my Orbit reader. Once you understand how to work with its Editor, I think You'll love it as well.
> >>>
> >>> Joe Giovanelli
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Penny Golden  <pengold2@...>
> >>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> >>> Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:00
> >>> Subject: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I've changed the subject line a bit.
> >>>> What I like about the Orbit so far is the price. I do not own one, but I own very expensive HIMS notetaking devices. I love them, but if they go down, I'm sunk.  Last year I would love to have gotten a few cells replaced on my 32-cell u2 device.  Nope; they couldn't do it; they wanted 2100 dollars to replace the entire braille display.
> >>>> That's four orbits, in case you're keeping score.
> >>>> I don't own an orbit yet.  I'm considering it.   It would be nice, first, to just be able to hold an orbit and work with it for 5 or 15 minutes.
> >>>> My understanding is that it will open whatever file you have and that is what you see.  if you have a text file, it does not translate it into braille, as we are so used to with our HIMS or braille-note type devices.
> >>>> There is no speech either, isn't that right?   And there's no flash memory, to store things. it's all done on an SD card, right?
> >>>> Someone with an Orbit or with knowledge of it, perhaps you will chime in and help me a little.
> >>>> If my inquiry is beyond the scope of what is desired on the list, I'll gladly move it into a private discussion.
> >>>> all best,
> >>>> Penny
> >>>> pengold2@...
> >>>> the old lady schoolmarm from Eastern Nebraska.
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

 


Re: amerzon ehco

Marie
 

I have set up three Alexa devices without any assistance from anyone. Just install the app before starting the process and follow the prompts you are given.
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: A.Mac via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] amerzon ehco

hi all, i took the leap and bought a amerzon ehco 2 from amerzon on
there black friday deal, i.e it was £35 cheaper.

my question is, i know that you have to down load the alexa app to your
phone to set up your ehco , but in the app do you have to put in your
wi-fi, and can it all be set up with siri ok or do you need sited help.


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Thanks for your time in advance.
Later
A.Mac
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Re: Length of a white cane?

Monte Single
 

Yes, I use the sweep motion also. My cane has a ball tip that rolls as you
sweep; uses much less energy than tapping.
Works for me
I like the telescoping carbon canes when I travel away from home.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ann Parsons
Sent: November-17-18 6:59 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Length of a white cane?

Hi all,

I have found, as one who prefers to sweep my cane from side to side, making
little or no noise, that if I hear people ahead of me in a hallway or
something like that, switching to the classic tapping works like a charm!
If people are standing in the middle of a hallway gabbing, they will tend to
look around if they hear a tapping sound.
It takes about five seconds, but the sound goes to their brains and the
sight of me and my white cane combine there to give the message, "Hey,
there's a blind lady coming, we better get out of the way."

As I say, works like a charm.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Length of a white cane?

Penny Golden
 

I was meaning that my preference for a short cane makes me dangerous to myself. Sorry.

I agree with what you say about the use of the cane. and my folding canes are rarely folded.   Best, Pen



On 11/17/2018 6:24 AM, Gene wrote:
Thinking that using a cane makes you dangerous to others is a bad way to look at it.  People have a responsibility to be aware of their surroundings.  Of course, you should be alert as well and if you hear someone coming, you should do your part to be out of their way.  But if someone isn't paying attention and doesn't see your cane, which is designed to be seen, it's very visible, that's their fault. 
 
It may be that if you really go overboard and get a ridiculously long cane, maybe taller than you are, that may make you too much of a hazard, but I don't think its at all unreasonable to use a proper cane for your needs.  And it isn't a blind person's responsibility to take on the responsibility of others.  Sighted people can see.  Like it or not, that makes things easier for them.  My heart doesn't bleed for the negligently careless sighted person who doesn't bother to know what is around them and canes are designed to be very visible.  I haven't thought about this until now, but it may be a valid argument that blind cane users should not use canes without reflective tape on them both for their own safety and that of others, to make the cane more visible.  Canes have reflective tape.  What else do careless people want--a siren attached?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
At 11:30 PM 11/16/2018, Penny Golden, wrote:

and I like a really pretty short cane.  The chin stuff makes me very uncomfortable.  I always extend my arm pretty far, and I like my cane, oh, about up to my waist.  I know I'm a hazzard, but i'm 71. so maybe not so much as one would think.

Penny.

Pam, you got snow yesterday; are you in New York?  There the snow was a surprise; they were talking about it on our radio station here in Omaha. Well, the station is in Omaha; i'm further west.



On 11/16/2018 7:31 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
You measure your cane by what feels comfortable for you to use.  This rib cage stuff is bonkers.  It makes you have to walk really very slow in order to use it.  My cames come up to at least my chin.  Pam.
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From: Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:19 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Length of a white cane?
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She asked me what’s the going place for measuring yourself for your cain? Example, arm pit?

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Re: Orbit Questions

john s
 

From the user guide:

Supported File Types
 
 
 
 
Extension
 
Type
 
Explanation
 
 
 
 BRF
 
 Translated, formatted braille
 
 displays exact representation
 
 
 
 BRL
 
 Translated, unformatted braille
 
 displays all text
 
 
 
 TXT
 
 Text
 
 displays eight-dot Computer Braille
 
 
 
In addition to the supported file types, Orbit Reader shows the contents of any file. Be aware, however, that some files do not contain readable content. This feature is useful, however, to examine files that do contain readable text even if it is not a supported file type.
 
There are several excellent braille translation systems available in the U.S. If you obtain textbooks from APH or get transcribed titles from NLS or NBP, the braille should be correct and formatted. You may also get braille translation software that produces automatically translated braille using programs like Liblouis or have Bookshare automatically generate braille files of the titles available.
 
 

At 07:25 AM 11/17/2018, Gary Greico, wrote:

I'm hearing that brf i

s formatted braille.


On 16-Nov-18 9:29 PM, Gene wrote:
I said before that you can just change the extensions.  But on thinking about it, that was an assumption.  Are there any differences between brf and brl other than the extension?  I have always assumed not but then, why are there two extensions?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Giovanelli
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions

Yes, Orbit Reader knows BRF.

Joe G.

----- Original Message -----
From: Penny Golden  <pengold2@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 18:57
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions

>
>
> While bookshare books are available in daisy format, I get all mine with
> the brf extension.  Does the Orbit believe in brf or only in brl?  Yes,
> BAUD and I were old friends.
> But I was never the user that you all were.  You could probably have
> built an apple II E.
> Best, Penny
>
> Thanks. Penny
>
> On 11/16/2018 3:24 PM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
> >   Hi again,
> >
> > I remember that you were a BAUD su bscriber. I don't remember if we ever chatted.
> >
> > There are no problems with folders or daughter folders for that matter. The Reader can handle a 32 Gig SD card which means that you can have a ton of stuff in there.
> >
> > Book Share  books are audio books, right? Take note that there is no audio on this device. Braille is its only output.
> >
> > Joe G.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Penny Golden  <pengold2@...>
> > To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> > Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 12:03
> > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions
> >
> >>
> >> Joe, you and I go back to dos days.  How I remember with great fondness
> >> hearing you and the other old Apple folks chime in on the best ways to
> >> do things.
> >> Thanks for the info on the Orbit.   I tend to use my units as
> >> stand-alone, and don't pair them with anything useful except the
> >> reading-fingers. (Smiles.)
> >> I have approximately 7000 books from bookshare. Does the Orbit allow for
> >> folders of books, let's say, by subject?
> >> So all my history textbooks could be in a folder. when the folder is
> >> opened, the books would show up in alphabetical order?
> >> So just how does that SD card operate?  What sorts of limits are there
> >> to it?
> >> Thanks so much.
> >> Best,
> >> Penny (Golden)
> >> pengold2@...
> >>
> >> On 11/16/2018 10:49 AM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
> >>> Hi, Penny,
> >>>
> >>> You have the right slant on the Orbit reader. When set to its Stand Alone operation, the device is a simple word processor. It reads .txt, .brl a nd.brf documents.
> >>>
> >>> In its Remote Mode, it can be connected to devices either via a USB cable or bluetooth. Information on the connected device is shown on the Orbit's display.
> >>>
> >>> I only use the Orbit reader in Stand Alone.
> >>>
> >>> The Braille is excellent.  I thought I'd have difficulty with no speech and a 20 cell display, but I have had no problems at all.
> >>>
> >>> I use the device to keep wear and tear to a minimum on my U2. HIMS charges too much for most repairs.
> >>>
> >>> To sum up, I really enjoy my Orbit reader. Once you understand how to work with its Editor, I think You'll love it as well.
> >>>
> >>> Joe Giovanelli
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Penny Golden  <pengold2@...>
> >>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> >>> Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:00
> >>> Subject: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I've changed the subject line a bit.
> >>>> What I like about the Orbit so far is the price. I do not own one, but I own very expensive HIMS notetaking devices. I love them, but if they go down, I'm sunk.  Last year I would love to have gotten a few cells replaced on my 32-cell u2 device.  Nope; they couldn't do it; they wanted 2100 dollars to replace the entire braille display.
> >>>> That's four orbits, in case you're keeping score.
> >>>> I don't own an orbit yet.  I'm considering it.   It would be nice, first, to just be able to hold an orbit and work with it for 5 or 15 minutes.
> >>>> My understanding is that it will open whatever file you have and that is what you see.  if you have a text file, it does not translate it into braille, as we are so used to with our HIMS or braille-note type devices.
> >>>> There is no speech either, isn't that right?   And there's no flash memory, to store things. it's all done on an SD card, right?
> >>>> Someone with an Orbit or with knowledge of it, perhaps you will chime in and help me a little.
> >>>> If my inquiry is beyond the scope of what is desired on the list, I'll gladly move it into a private discussion.
> >>>> all best,
> >>>> Penny
> >>>> pengold2@...
> >>>> the old lady schoolmarm from Eastern Nebraska.
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

                 John


Re: Length of a white cane?

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

I have found, as one who prefers to sweep my cane from side to side, making little or no noise, that if I hear people ahead of me in a hallway or something like that, switching to the classic tapping works like a charm! If people are standing in the middle of a hallway gabbing, they will tend to look around if they hear a tapping sound. It takes about five seconds, but the sound goes to their brains and the sight of me and my white cane combine there to give the message, "Hey, there's a blind lady coming, we better get out of the way."

As I say, works like a charm.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Orbit Questions

Gary Greico
 

I'm hearing that brf i

s formatted braille.


On 16-Nov-18 9:29 PM, Gene wrote:
I said before that you can just change the extensions.  But on thinking about it, that was an assumption.  Are there any differences between brf and brl other than the extension?  I have always assumed not but then, why are there two extensions?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions

Yes, Orbit Reader knows BRF.

Joe G.

----- Original Message -----
From: Penny Golden  <pengold2@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 18:57
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions

>
>
> While bookshare books are available in daisy format, I get all mine with
> the brf extension.  Does the Orbit believe in brf or only in brl?  Yes,
> BAUD and I were old friends.
> But I was never the user that you all were.  You could probably have
> built an apple II E.
> Best, Penny
>
> Thanks. Penny
>
> On 11/16/2018 3:24 PM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
> >   Hi again,
> >
> > I remember that you were a BAUD su bscriber. I don't remember if we ever chatted.
> >
> > There are no problems with folders or daughter folders for that matter. The Reader can handle a 32 Gig SD card which means that you can have a ton of stuff in there.
> >
> > Book Share  books are audio books, right? Take note that there is no audio on this device. Braille is its only output.
> >
> > Joe G.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Penny Golden  <pengold2@...>
> > To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> > Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 12:03
> > Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions
> >
> >>
> >> Joe, you and I go back to dos days.  How I remember with great fondness
> >> hearing you and the other old Apple folks chime in on the best ways to
> >> do things.
> >> Thanks for the info on the Orbit.   I tend to use my units as
> >> stand-alone, and don't pair them with anything useful except the
> >> reading-fingers. (Smiles.)
> >> I have approximately 7000 books from bookshare. Does the Orbit allow for
> >> folders of books, let's say, by subject?
> >> So all my history textbooks could be in a folder. when the folder is
> >> opened, the books would show up in alphabetical order?
> >> So just how does that SD card operate?  What sorts of limits are there
> >> to it?
> >> Thanks so much.
> >> Best,
> >> Penny (Golden)
> >> pengold2@...
> >>
> >> On 11/16/2018 10:49 AM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
> >>> Hi, Penny,
> >>>
> >>> You have the right slant on the Orbit reader. When set to its Stand Alone operation, the device is a simple word processor. It reads .txt, .brl a nd.brf documents.
> >>>
> >>> In its Remote Mode, it can be connected to devices either via a USB cable or bluetooth. Information on the connected device is shown on the Orbit's display.
> >>>
> >>> I only use the Orbit reader in Stand Alone.
> >>>
> >>> The Braille is excellent.  I thought I'd have difficulty with no speech and a 20 cell display, but I have had no problems at all.
> >>>
> >>> I use the device to keep wear and tear to a minimum on my U2. HIMS charges too much for most repairs.
> >>>
> >>> To sum up, I really enjoy my Orbit reader. Once you understand how to work with its Editor, I think You'll love it as well.
> >>>
> >>> Joe Giovanelli
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Penny Golden  <pengold2@...>
> >>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> >>> Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:00
> >>> Subject: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I've changed the subject line a bit.
> >>>> What I like about the Orbit so far is the price. I do not own one, but I own very expensive HIMS notetaking devices. I love them, but if they go down, I'm sunk.  Last year I would love to have gotten a few cells replaced on my 32-cell u2 device.  Nope; they couldn't do it; they wanted 2100 dollars to replace the entire braille display.
> >>>> That's four orbits, in case you're keeping score.
> >>>> I don't own an orbit yet.  I'm considering it.   It would be nice, first, to just be able to hold an orbit and work with it for 5 or 15 minutes.
> >>>> My understanding is that it will open whatever file you have and that is what you see.  if you have a text file, it does not translate it into braille, as we are so used to with our HIMS or braille-note type devices.
> >>>> There is no speech either, isn't that right?   And there's no flash memory, to store things. it's all done on an SD card, right?
> >>>> Someone with an Orbit or with knowledge of it, perhaps you will chime in and help me a little.
> >>>> If my inquiry is beyond the scope of what is desired on the list, I'll gladly move it into a private discussion.
> >>>> all best,
> >>>> Penny
> >>>> pengold2@...
> >>>> the old lady schoolmarm from Eastern Nebraska.
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>