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Re: Orbit Questions

Aman Singer
 

Hi Penny,

 

I see that orbit owners are answering your questions, and as a potential user, I appreciate their doing that on the list. If I may say so, though, it might be worth keeping in mind that there is a return policy for the Orbit. You can get one shipped to you and use it for a few days, rather than a few minutes, and then decide whether it is suitable. With these products, I’m pleased to say, that is the usual thing and, given the prices, it is the reasonable thing. The cost of shipping can be chalked up to research, after all, to see the product for fifteen minutes, assuming it were a normal product with a local dealer, you would have to take the time and transport cost to go and see it, and you wouldn’t be able to really know how it fits into your workflow.

Aman

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Penny Golden
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions

 

 

I've changed the subject line a bit.
What I like about the Orbit so far is the price. I do not own one, but I own very expensive HIMS notetaking devices. I love them, but if they go down, I'm sunk.  Last year I would love to have gotten a few cells replaced on my 32-cell u2 device.  Nope; they couldn't do it; they wanted 2100 dollars to replace the entire braille display. 
That's four orbits, in case you're keeping score.
I don't own an orbit yet.  I'm considering it.   It would be nice, first, to just be able to hold an orbit and work with it for 5 or 15 minutes.
My understanding is that it will open whatever file you have and that is what you see.  if you have a text file, it does not translate it into braille, as we are so used to with our HIMS or braille-note type devices.
There is no speech either, isn't that right?   And there's no flash memory, to store things. it's all done on an SD card, right?
Someone with an Orbit or with knowledge of it, perhaps you will chime in and help me a little.
If my inquiry is beyond the scope of what is desired on the list, I'll gladly move it into a private discussion.
all best,
Penny
pengold2@...
the old lady schoolmarm from Eastern Nebraska.

On 11/16/2018 8:27 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

yes i agree. get the orbit reader20 for $449. It has 8-dot braille, connects to NVDA and jaws, and voiceover, and brailleback, 6-key perkins keyboard, panning buttons arrows and select buttons plus dots 7 and 8 keys left and right of the space bar. and it has a very basic noteTaker. the notetaker lets you write directly into brl brf or txt files in ascii or raw braille. this means you just open your notes, and write whatever braille code you wish whether its english, greek, or japanese, math, or music braille. It's a nice simple display for reading, writing and using with your pc or mac or mobile device. according to a master's thesis i got off the internet, it most likely uses very rugged and reliable micro-vibration cell-phone motors to make the dots go up and down. the braille me uses braille cells that are magnetic, magnetic force makes its braille cells work. but orbit reader20 has the most reliable braille cells though. 

 


Re: Orbit Questions

Gene
 

I don't use the Orbit, but the extension used doesn't require firing retro rockets.  You can stay in Orbit by changing the extension on your computer using the rename utility, f2 being the shortcut key.  I don't know if the Orbit cares which of the two extensions are used but if it does, you can change the extension on the file.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions

While bookshare books are available in daisy format, I get all mine with
the brf extension.  Does the Orbit believe in brf or only in brl?  Yes,
BAUD and I were old friends.
But I was never the user that you all were.  You could probably have
built an apple II E.
Best, Penny

Thanks. Penny

On 11/16/2018 3:24 PM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
>   Hi again,
>
> I remember that you were a BAUD su bscriber. I don't remember if we ever chatted.
>
> There are no problems with folders or daughter folders for that matter. The Reader can handle a 32 Gig SD card which means that you can have a ton of stuff in there.
>
> Book Share  books are audio books, right? Take note that there is no audio on this device. Braille is its only output.
>
> Joe G.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Penny Golden  <pengold2@...>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 12:03
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions
>
>>
>> Joe, you and I go back to dos days.  How I remember with great fondness
>> hearing you and the other old Apple folks chime in on the best ways to
>> do things.
>> Thanks for the info on the Orbit.   I tend to use my units as
>> stand-alone, and don't pair them with anything useful except the
>> reading-fingers. (Smiles.)
>> I have approximately 7000 books from bookshare. Does the Orbit allow for
>> folders of books, let's say, by subject?
>> So all my history textbooks could be in a folder. when the folder is
>> opened, the books would show up in alphabetical order?
>> So just how does that SD card operate?  What sorts of limits are there
>> to it?
>> Thanks so much.
>> Best,
>> Penny (Golden)
>> pengold2@...
>>
>> On 11/16/2018 10:49 AM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
>>> Hi, Penny,
>>>
>>> You have the right slant on the Orbit reader. When set to its Stand Alone operation, the device is a simple word processor. It reads .txt, .brl a nd.brf documents.
>>>
>>> In its Remote Mode, it can be connected to devices either via a USB cable or bluetooth. Information on the connected device is shown on the Orbit's display.
>>>
>>> I only use the Orbit reader in Stand Alone.
>>>
>>> The Braille is excellent.  I thought I'd have difficulty with no speech and a 20 cell display, but I have had no problems at all.
>>>
>>> I use the device to keep wear and tear to a minimum on my U2. HIMS charges too much for most repairs.
>>>
>>> To sum up, I really enjoy my Orbit reader. Once you understand how to work with its Editor, I think You'll love it as well.
>>>
>>> Joe Giovanelli
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Penny Golden  <pengold2@...>
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:00
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've changed the subject line a bit.
>>>> What I like about the Orbit so far is the price. I do not own one, but I own very expensive HIMS notetaking devices. I love them, but if they go down, I'm sunk.  Last year I would love to have gotten a few cells replaced on my 32-cell u2 device.  Nope; they couldn't do it; they wanted 2100 dollars to replace the entire braille display.
>>>> That's four orbits, in case you're keeping score.
>>>> I don't own an orbit yet.  I'm considering it.   It would be nice, first, to just be able to hold an orbit and work with it for 5 or 15 minutes.
>>>> My understanding is that it will open whatever file you have and that is what you see.  if you have a text file, it does not translate it into braille, as we are so used to with our HIMS or braille-note type devices.
>>>> There is no speech either, isn't that right?   And there's no flash memory, to store things. it's all done on an SD card, right?
>>>> Someone with an Orbit or with knowledge of it, perhaps you will chime in and help me a little.
>>>> If my inquiry is beyond the scope of what is desired on the list, I'll gladly move it into a private discussion.
>>>> all best,
>>>> Penny
>>>> pengold2@...
>>>> the old lady schoolmarm from Eastern Nebraska.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>




Re: Length of a white cane?

Patrick Ford
 

Hi, although  there are no exact standards for the length of canes, one way to understand it is walking habits. Many say that the cane should reach  the nose, some like more room and opt for a longer cane, and some walk fast and want a longer cane. Some have different walking habits and choose a shorter cane.

 

Patrick

 

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:19 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Length of a white cane?

 

Hi List, I’m not a cane user, but a friend, who is no longer eligible for mobility training, needs to replace her cane. 

 

She asked me what’s the going place for measuring yourself for your cain? Example, arm pit?

 

Would this length of cain assume a tip of about 2 inches?  I ask this, since of course, tips come in many different sizes and thus, different lengths.

 

Thanks very much for any advice!

 

Sincerely, Vicky

 

 

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Re: Length of a white cane?

Pamela Dominguez
 

You measure your cane by what feels comfortable for you to use.  This rib cage stuff is bonkers.  It makes you have to walk really very slow in order to use it.  My cames come up to at least my chin.  Pam.
 

Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:19 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Length of a white cane?
 

Hi List, I’m not a cane user, but a friend, who is no longer eligible for mobility training, needs to replace her cane. 

 

She asked me what’s the going place for measuring yourself for your cain? Example, arm pit?

 

Would this length of cain assume a tip of about 2 inches?  I ask this, since of course, tips come in many different sizes and thus, different lengths.

 

Thanks very much for any advice!

 

Sincerely, Vicky

 


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Orbit Questions

Gary Greico
 

Yes it can.

On 16-Nov-18 7:21 PM, John Dowling wrote:
I believe the orbit can receive brf files.

 

From: main@techtalk.groups.io on behalf of Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 6:57 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions
 
While bookshare books are available in daisy format, I get all mine with
the brf extension.  Does the Orbit believe in brf or only in brl?  Yes,
BAUD and I were old friends.
But I was never the user that you all were.  You could probably have
built an apple II E.
Best, Penny

Thanks. Penny

On 11/16/2018 3:24 PM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> I remember that you were a BAUD su bscriber. I don't remember if we ever chatted.
>
> There are no problems with folders or daughter folders for that matter. The Reader can handle a 32 Gig SD card which means that you can have a ton of stuff in there.
>
> Book Share books are audio books, right? Take note that there is no audio on this device. Braille is its only output.
>
> Joe G.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 12:03
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions
>
>>
>> Joe, you and I go back to dos days.  How I remember with great fondness
>> hearing you and the other old Apple folks chime in on the best ways to
>> do things.
>> Thanks for the info on the Orbit.   I tend to use my units as
>> stand-alone, and don't pair them with anything useful except the
>> reading-fingers. (Smiles.)
>> I have approximately 7000 books from bookshare. Does the Orbit allow for
>> folders of books, let's say, by subject?
>> So all my history textbooks could be in a folder. when the folder is
>> opened, the books would show up in alphabetical order?
>> So just how does that SD card operate?  What sorts of limits are there
>> to it?
>> Thanks so much.
>> Best,
>> Penny (Golden)
>> pengold2@...
>>
>> On 11/16/2018 10:49 AM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
>>> Hi, Penny,
>>>
>>> You have the right slant on the Orbit reader. When set to its Stand Alone operation, the device is a simple word processor. It reads .txt, .brl a nd.brf documents.
>>>
>>> In its Remote Mode, it can be connected to devices either via a USB cable or bluetooth. Information on the connected device is shown on the Orbit's display.
>>>
>>> I only use the Orbit reader in Stand Alone.
>>>
>>> The Braille is excellent. I thought I'd have difficulty with no speech and a 20 cell display, but I have had no problems at all.
>>>
>>> I use the device to keep wear and tear to a minimum on my U2. HIMS charges too much for most repairs.
>>>
>>> To sum up, I really enjoy my Orbit reader. Once you understand how to work with its Editor, I think You'll love it as well.
>>>
>>> Joe Giovanelli
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:00
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've changed the subject line a bit.
>>>> What I like about the Orbit so far is the price. I do not own one, but I own very expensive HIMS notetaking devices. I love them, but if they go down, I'm sunk. Last year I would love to have gotten a few cells replaced on my 32-cell u2 device. Nope; they couldn't do it; they wanted 2100 dollars to replace the entire braille display.
>>>> That's four orbits, in case you're keeping score.
>>>> I don't own an orbit yet. I'm considering it. It would be nice, first, to just be able to hold an orbit and work with it for 5 or 15 minutes.
>>>> My understanding is that it will open whatever file you have and that is what you see. if you have a text file, it does not translate it into braille, as we are so used to with our HIMS or braille-note type devices.
>>>> There is no speech either, isn't that right? And there's no flash memory, to store things. it's all done on an SD card, right?
>>>> Someone with an Orbit or with knowledge of it, perhaps you will chime in and help me a little.
>>>> If my inquiry is beyond the scope of what is desired on the list, I'll gladly move it into a private discussion.
>>>> all best,
>>>> Penny
>>>> pengold2@...
>>>> the old lady schoolmarm from Eastern Nebraska.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>





Re: Orbit Questions

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Just to clear up disinformation, Bookshare books do come in Audio, but it is computer generated speech. Also, they do come in .brf files so you can read them on an orbit if you want.

Ann P.

Original message:

Hi again,
I remember that you were a BAUD su bscriber. I don't remember if we ever chatted.
There are no problems with folders or daughter folders for that matter. The Reader can handle a 32 Gig SD card which means that you can have a ton of stuff in there.
Book Share books are audio books, right? Take note that there is no audio on this device. Braille is its only output.
Joe G.
----- Original Message -----
From: Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 12:03
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions


Joe, you and I go back to dos days.  How I remember with great fondness
hearing you and the other old Apple folks chime in on the best ways to
do things.
Thanks for the info on the Orbit.   I tend to use my units as
stand-alone, and don't pair them with anything useful except the
reading-fingers. (Smiles.)
I have approximately 7000 books from bookshare. Does the Orbit allow for
folders of books, let's say, by subject?
So all my history textbooks could be in a folder. when the folder is
opened, the books would show up in alphabetical order?
So just how does that SD card operate?  What sorts of limits are there
to it?
Thanks so much.
Best,
Penny (Golden)
pengold2@...
On 11/16/2018 10:49 AM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
Hi, Penny,
You have the right slant on the Orbit reader. When set to its Stand Alone operation, the device is a simple word processor. It reads .txt, .brl a nd.brf documents.
In its Remote Mode, it can be connected to devices either via a USB cable or bluetooth. Information on the connected device is shown on the Orbit's display.
I only use the Orbit reader in Stand Alone.
The Braille is excellent. I thought I'd have difficulty with no speech and a 20 cell display, but I have had no problems at all.
I use the device to keep wear and tear to a minimum on my U2. HIMS charges too much for most repairs.
To sum up, I really enjoy my Orbit reader. Once you understand how to work with its Editor, I think You'll love it as well.
Joe Giovanelli


----- Original Message -----
From: Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:00
Subject: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions



I've changed the subject line a bit.
What I like about the Orbit so far is the price. I do not own one, but I own very expensive HIMS notetaking devices. I love them, but if they go down, I'm sunk. Last year I would love to have gotten a few cells replaced on my 32-cell u2 device. Nope; they couldn't do it; they wanted 2100 dollars to replace the entire braille display.
That's four orbits, in case you're keeping score.
I don't own an orbit yet. I'm considering it. It would be nice, first, to just be able to hold an orbit and work with it for 5 or 15 minutes.
My understanding is that it will open whatever file you have and that is what you see. if you have a text file, it does not translate it into braille, as we are so used to with our HIMS or braille-note type devices.
There is no speech either, isn't that right? And there's no flash memory, to store things. it's all done on an SD card, right?
Someone with an Orbit or with knowledge of it, perhaps you will chime in and help me a little.
If my inquiry is beyond the scope of what is desired on the list, I'll gladly move it into a private discussion.
all best,
Penny
pengold2@...
the old lady schoolmarm from Eastern Nebraska.





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Length of a white cane?

Vicky Vaughan
 

Hi List, I’m not a cane user, but a friend, who is no longer eligible for mobility training, needs to replace her cane. 

 

She asked me what’s the going place for measuring yourself for your cain? Example, arm pit?

 

Would this length of cain assume a tip of about 2 inches?  I ask this, since of course, tips come in many different sizes and thus, different lengths.

 

Thanks very much for any advice!

 

Sincerely, Vicky

 


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Amazon Fire

John Dowling
 

I think mystic access did an audio tutorial on the fire devices.
http://www.mysticaccess.com

 


From: main@techtalk.groups.io on behalf of Nancy Hill <girlyscream@...>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 6:28 PM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] Amazon Fire
 
Hi All, Santa let me know that I will be getting one of those new 8"
Fire tablets.


I'd like to prime myself to be able to start using it.  Does anyone know
where I can get instructions about how to use the Fire?


Also, is there a group for Blind users of the Fire?


Thanks for your help!


Nancy





Re: Orbit Questions

John Dowling
 

I believe the orbit can receive brf files.

 


From: main@techtalk.groups.io on behalf of Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 6:57 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions
 
While bookshare books are available in daisy format, I get all mine with
the brf extension.  Does the Orbit believe in brf or only in brl?  Yes,
BAUD and I were old friends.
But I was never the user that you all were.  You could probably have
built an apple II E.
Best, Penny

Thanks. Penny

On 11/16/2018 3:24 PM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> I remember that you were a BAUD su bscriber. I don't remember if we ever chatted.
>
> There are no problems with folders or daughter folders for that matter. The Reader can handle a 32 Gig SD card which means that you can have a ton of stuff in there.
>
> Book Share books are audio books, right? Take note that there is no audio on this device. Braille is its only output.
>
> Joe G.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 12:03
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions
>
>>
>> Joe, you and I go back to dos days.  How I remember with great fondness
>> hearing you and the other old Apple folks chime in on the best ways to
>> do things.
>> Thanks for the info on the Orbit.   I tend to use my units as
>> stand-alone, and don't pair them with anything useful except the
>> reading-fingers. (Smiles.)
>> I have approximately 7000 books from bookshare. Does the Orbit allow for
>> folders of books, let's say, by subject?
>> So all my history textbooks could be in a folder. when the folder is
>> opened, the books would show up in alphabetical order?
>> So just how does that SD card operate?  What sorts of limits are there
>> to it?
>> Thanks so much.
>> Best,
>> Penny (Golden)
>> pengold2@...
>>
>> On 11/16/2018 10:49 AM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
>>> Hi, Penny,
>>>
>>> You have the right slant on the Orbit reader. When set to its Stand Alone operation, the device is a simple word processor. It reads .txt, .brl a nd.brf documents.
>>>
>>> In its Remote Mode, it can be connected to devices either via a USB cable or bluetooth. Information on the connected device is shown on the Orbit's display.
>>>
>>> I only use the Orbit reader in Stand Alone.
>>>
>>> The Braille is excellent. I thought I'd have difficulty with no speech and a 20 cell display, but I have had no problems at all.
>>>
>>> I use the device to keep wear and tear to a minimum on my U2. HIMS charges too much for most repairs.
>>>
>>> To sum up, I really enjoy my Orbit reader. Once you understand how to work with its Editor, I think You'll love it as well.
>>>
>>> Joe Giovanelli
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:00
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've changed the subject line a bit.
>>>> What I like about the Orbit so far is the price. I do not own one, but I own very expensive HIMS notetaking devices. I love them, but if they go down, I'm sunk. Last year I would love to have gotten a few cells replaced on my 32-cell u2 device. Nope; they couldn't do it; they wanted 2100 dollars to replace the entire braille display.
>>>> That's four orbits, in case you're keeping score.
>>>> I don't own an orbit yet. I'm considering it. It would be nice, first, to just be able to hold an orbit and work with it for 5 or 15 minutes.
>>>> My understanding is that it will open whatever file you have and that is what you see. if you have a text file, it does not translate it into braille, as we are so used to with our HIMS or braille-note type devices.
>>>> There is no speech either, isn't that right? And there's no flash memory, to store things. it's all done on an SD card, right?
>>>> Someone with an Orbit or with knowledge of it, perhaps you will chime in and help me a little.
>>>> If my inquiry is beyond the scope of what is desired on the list, I'll gladly move it into a private discussion.
>>>> all best,
>>>> Penny
>>>> pengold2@...
>>>> the old lady schoolmarm from Eastern Nebraska.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>





Re: Orbit Questions

Pamela Dominguez
 

Yes; I go back to the dos days, too. The best braille device I like is the braille lite. It's so simple, and it has nothing to do with windows, which only complicates things. I have had times, using the braille sense, where I have forgotten to save what I was working on, acting like I was using a braille lite; only to have to try to do it all over again. Yes, I know you save in dos, too; but the braille lite did it for you. Pam.Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Penny Golden
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 12:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions


Joe, you and I go back to dos days. How I remember with great fondness
hearing you and the other old Apple folks chime in on the best ways to
do things.
Thanks for the info on the Orbit. I tend to use my units as
stand-alone, and don't pair them with anything useful except the
reading-fingers. (Smiles.)
I have approximately 7000 books from bookshare. Does the Orbit allow for
folders of books, let's say, by subject?
So all my history textbooks could be in a folder. when the folder is
opened, the books would show up in alphabetical order?
So just how does that SD card operate? What sorts of limits are there
to it?
Thanks so much.
Best,
Penny (Golden)
pengold2@...

On 11/16/2018 10:49 AM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
Hi, Penny,

You have the right slant on the Orbit reader. When set to its Stand Alone operation, the device is a simple word processor. It reads .txt, .brl a nd.brf documents.

In its Remote Mode, it can be connected to devices either via a USB cable or bluetooth. Information on the connected device is shown on the Orbit's display.

I only use the Orbit reader in Stand Alone.

The Braille is excellent. I thought I'd have difficulty with no speech and a 20 cell display, but I have had no problems at all.

I use the device to keep wear and tear to a minimum on my U2. HIMS charges too much for most repairs.

To sum up, I really enjoy my Orbit reader. Once you understand how to work with its Editor, I think You'll love it as well.

Joe Giovanelli



----- Original Message -----
From: Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:00
Subject: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions




I've changed the subject line a bit.
What I like about the Orbit so far is the price. I do not own one, but I own very expensive HIMS notetaking devices. I love them, but if they go down, I'm sunk. Last year I would love to have gotten a few cells replaced on my 32-cell u2 device. Nope; they couldn't do it; they wanted 2100 dollars to replace the entire braille display.
That's four orbits, in case you're keeping score.
I don't own an orbit yet. I'm considering it. It would be nice, first, to just be able to hold an orbit and work with it for 5 or 15 minutes.
My understanding is that it will open whatever file you have and that is what you see. if you have a text file, it does not translate it into braille, as we are so used to with our HIMS or braille-note type devices.
There is no speech either, isn't that right? And there's no flash memory, to store things. it's all done on an SD card, right?
Someone with an Orbit or with knowledge of it, perhaps you will chime in and help me a little.
If my inquiry is beyond the scope of what is desired on the list, I'll gladly move it into a private discussion.
all best,
Penny
pengold2@...
the old lady schoolmarm from Eastern Nebraska.


Re: Anyone use the Brainport Vision Pro?

Don Risavy, Jr. <djrisavyjr@...>
 

Again from my experience using it and being one of the first to test the unit back in 2004 or might have been 2005 it was very hard to use and get used to using it too especially having to always have the probe in your mouth on your tongue to see what want to see regardless how much or little could recognize with it plus the fact that it's not wireless at all as you'll tied to a chord that hangs down from a pair of glasses that the camera sits on to the main control unit that wear on your belt etc. and constanly having to be adjusting the knobs or controls on the power pack that runs off batteries.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Spitz
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 10:26 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Anyone use the Brainport Vision Pro?

I am told that the unit costs around $10K and the VA requires between
2 to 3 weeks of in-house training. As for ability, I understand that it can identify objuects such as doors, windows, a plate or eating utensils but it's limited on moving objects and of course, has no color identification. It sounds cumbersome to me for the limited benefit but I am supposed to meet with a person who uses it regularly before I actually attend the training. I doubt I will be able to test it as that would entail me putting his sensor into my mouth and neither of us would likely want that to happen. I tend to agree with Gene so far that it just doesn't accomplish enough to be worth the expense and time spent learning and using the device. It's easy for me to get excited about being offered new tech but there have been few real advancements in the 14 years that I have been blind that are really worth the expense and time.

On 11/15/18, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:
Probably eventually, it will be improved. I am sure it is really expensive.


I read a mystery about a guy who was experimenting with getting one.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Don Risavy, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 7:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Anyone use the Brainport Vision Pro?

I use the device when was first being developed prior to being
approved for use in the US. Although was able to see some things with
it wouldn't ever want one myself as yes you have to keep the probe in
your mouth on your tongue to see things as the tongue device produces
electrical stimulation to the tongue that in turn sends the info to your brain telling you what see.
You wear a special pair The glasses that the camera sits on that is
wired to the controller that allows you to adjust the electrical
thresh hold. The other problem and or issue had with the device was
that you're constaly adjusting the intensity on the control panel that
wear on your side as it's not wireless which means a lot of stopping
and going once figure out what might be seeing.
So that's all can offer to the discussion is that used it when first
was being manufactured for production to make sure was safe and also
to find out how much it helped you see.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Peter Spitz
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:36 PM
To: main <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Anyone use the Brainport Vision Pro?

I have an opportunity to attend training and then get issued a
Brainport Vision Pro through the VA. I am totally blind. I am
wondering if any other totals have used this product? My biggest
issue with the device is that it requires a sensor on my tongue and will have a cord hanging out of my mouth.
Not sure if I'm willing to put up with that and I'm wondering how one
eats and talks without removing it all the time.

Thanks in advance,

Peter












Re: Orbit Questions

Penny Golden
 

While bookshare books are available in daisy format, I get all mine with the brf extension.  Does the Orbit believe in brf or only in brl?  Yes, BAUD and I were old friends.
But I was never the user that you all were.  You could probably have built an apple II E.
Best, Penny

Thanks. Penny

On 11/16/2018 3:24 PM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
Hi again,

I remember that you were a BAUD su bscriber. I don't remember if we ever chatted.

There are no problems with folders or daughter folders for that matter. The Reader can handle a 32 Gig SD card which means that you can have a ton of stuff in there.

Book Share books are audio books, right? Take note that there is no audio on this device. Braille is its only output.

Joe G.

----- Original Message -----
From: Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 12:03
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions


Joe, you and I go back to dos days.  How I remember with great fondness
hearing you and the other old Apple folks chime in on the best ways to
do things.
Thanks for the info on the Orbit.   I tend to use my units as
stand-alone, and don't pair them with anything useful except the
reading-fingers. (Smiles.)
I have approximately 7000 books from bookshare. Does the Orbit allow for
folders of books, let's say, by subject?
So all my history textbooks could be in a folder. when the folder is
opened, the books would show up in alphabetical order?
So just how does that SD card operate?  What sorts of limits are there
to it?
Thanks so much.
Best,
Penny (Golden)
pengold2@...

On 11/16/2018 10:49 AM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
Hi, Penny,

You have the right slant on the Orbit reader. When set to its Stand Alone operation, the device is a simple word processor. It reads .txt, .brl a nd.brf documents.

In its Remote Mode, it can be connected to devices either via a USB cable or bluetooth. Information on the connected device is shown on the Orbit's display.

I only use the Orbit reader in Stand Alone.

The Braille is excellent. I thought I'd have difficulty with no speech and a 20 cell display, but I have had no problems at all.

I use the device to keep wear and tear to a minimum on my U2. HIMS charges too much for most repairs.

To sum up, I really enjoy my Orbit reader. Once you understand how to work with its Editor, I think You'll love it as well.

Joe Giovanelli



----- Original Message -----
From: Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:00
Subject: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions



I've changed the subject line a bit.
What I like about the Orbit so far is the price. I do not own one, but I own very expensive HIMS notetaking devices. I love them, but if they go down, I'm sunk. Last year I would love to have gotten a few cells replaced on my 32-cell u2 device. Nope; they couldn't do it; they wanted 2100 dollars to replace the entire braille display.
That's four orbits, in case you're keeping score.
I don't own an orbit yet. I'm considering it. It would be nice, first, to just be able to hold an orbit and work with it for 5 or 15 minutes.
My understanding is that it will open whatever file you have and that is what you see. if you have a text file, it does not translate it into braille, as we are so used to with our HIMS or braille-note type devices.
There is no speech either, isn't that right? And there's no flash memory, to store things. it's all done on an SD card, right?
Someone with an Orbit or with knowledge of it, perhaps you will chime in and help me a little.
If my inquiry is beyond the scope of what is desired on the list, I'll gladly move it into a private discussion.
all best,
Penny
pengold2@...
the old lady schoolmarm from Eastern Nebraska.


Amazon Fire

Nancy Hill
 

Hi All, Santa let me know that I will be getting one of those new 8" Fire tablets.


I'd like to prime myself to be able to start using it.  Does anyone know where I can get instructions about how to use the Fire?


Also, is there a group for Blind users of the Fire?


Thanks for your help!


Nancy


Re: Orbit Questions

Joe Giovanelli
 

Hi again,

I remember that you were a BAUD su bscriber. I don't remember if we ever chatted.

There are no problems with folders or daughter folders for that matter. The Reader can handle a 32 Gig SD card which means that you can have a ton of stuff in there.

Book Share books are audio books, right? Take note that there is no audio on this device. Braille is its only output.

Joe G.

----- Original Message -----
From: Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 12:03
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions



Joe, you and I go back to dos days. How I remember with great fondness
hearing you and the other old Apple folks chime in on the best ways to
do things.
Thanks for the info on the Orbit. I tend to use my units as
stand-alone, and don't pair them with anything useful except the
reading-fingers. (Smiles.)
I have approximately 7000 books from bookshare. Does the Orbit allow for
folders of books, let's say, by subject?
So all my history textbooks could be in a folder. when the folder is
opened, the books would show up in alphabetical order?
So just how does that SD card operate? What sorts of limits are there
to it?
Thanks so much.
Best,
Penny (Golden)
pengold2@...

On 11/16/2018 10:49 AM, Joe Giovanelli wrote:
Hi, Penny,

You have the right slant on the Orbit reader. When set to its Stand Alone operation, the device is a simple word processor. It reads .txt, .brl a nd.brf documents.

In its Remote Mode, it can be connected to devices either via a USB cable or bluetooth. Information on the connected device is shown on the Orbit's display.

I only use the Orbit reader in Stand Alone.

The Braille is excellent. I thought I'd have difficulty with no speech and a 20 cell display, but I have had no problems at all.

I use the device to keep wear and tear to a minimum on my U2. HIMS charges too much for most repairs.

To sum up, I really enjoy my Orbit reader. Once you understand how to work with its Editor, I think You'll love it as well.

Joe Giovanelli



----- Original Message -----
From: Penny Golden <pengold2@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:00
Subject: [TechTalk] Orbit Questions




I've changed the subject line a bit.
What I like about the Orbit so far is the price. I do not own one, but I own very expensive HIMS notetaking devices. I love them, but if they go down, I'm sunk. Last year I would love to have gotten a few cells replaced on my 32-cell u2 device. Nope; they couldn't do it; they wanted 2100 dollars to replace the entire braille display.
That's four orbits, in case you're keeping score.
I don't own an orbit yet. I'm considering it. It would be nice, first, to just be able to hold an orbit and work with it for 5 or 15 minutes.
My understanding is that it will open whatever file you have and that is what you see. if you have a text file, it does not translate it into braille, as we are so used to with our HIMS or braille-note type devices.
There is no speech either, isn't that right? And there's no flash memory, to store things. it's all done on an SD card, right?
Someone with an Orbit or with knowledge of it, perhaps you will chime in and help me a little.
If my inquiry is beyond the scope of what is desired on the list, I'll gladly move it into a private discussion.
all best,
Penny
pengold2@...
the old lady schoolmarm from Eastern Nebraska.



Re: Braille Display Questions

Chris G
 

Hi Don,
Here is a link to the podcast in question.




From: Donald L. Roberts
Sent: Fri, Nov 16, 2018 12:59 PM EST
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Braille Display Questions


Josh, please could you send me a link to that Braille Me presentation.
 
Thanks.
 
Don Roberts
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Braille Display Questions

yes i can confirm all braille me issues have been fixed. i listened to a pennsylvania council of the blind podcast which demonstrates and confirms the braille me is now a good device to own, along with the orbit20. 


JAWS2018.1811.2 Update Download Links + What's New In This Release

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

Hi All,
 
Below are the download links for this new build, .1811.2, plus what's new in this release.
 
32 Bit:
 
 
64 Bit:
 
 
What's new in this release:
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2018.1811.2 (November 2018)
 
The following is a list of improvements made in JAWS 2018 between the August 2018 update and the November 2018 update.
 
list of 7 items
• Resolved an issue with JAWS double speaking links in PDF documents.
• The changes made in JAWS 2019 to address Audio Ducking issues with the latest Windows 10 updates are now also available in JAWS 2018.
• Resolved an issue where lines were sometimes repeated when using braille panning in some applications.
• When reading using Say All (INSERT+DOWN ARROW) in the Amazon Kindle app, addressed an issue where JAWS would unexpectedly stop reading after a few pages.
• Resolved an issue where Firefox would become unresponsive when navigating certain web pages with JAWS.
• In Chrome, resolved an issue where JAWS was not reading as expected in Google Sheets if Braille Mode was turned off.
• Added support for Google Slides film strip tree views.
list end
Take care.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
I type out everything I want to remember. That way instead of spending a lot of time trying to remember what it was, I spend the time looking for where I saved it!


Re: Updated Firefox, and I don't like it

Gene
 

I'm puzzled by your comments about not having an add to button for file types.  When I look in the applications part of options in a preQuantum version which is still reasonably recent, the dialog is the same, with only eight items and no add button, at least none I see.  When I look at a very old version, 21.x, I see something like fifty file types in the applications list, but again, no add to button.  I have no idea why, at some point the list was reduced to eight, but it happened before Quantum.  Are you saying you saw an add to button in version 62 in the applications dialog?
 
Perhaps you are talking about the helper applications dialog but I don't know enough about that to discuss it.  Also, from what I've seen by a Google search, others have asked how to add a file type and answers were given but I didn't understand them.  I don't know if I would if I looked at them more than just reading them.  Here is one link that may or may not be helpful. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updated Firefox, and I don't like it

I've been looking at the new Firefox.  The download problem may be caused by a change in the options.  There are two radio buttons.  One says always download to.  If you use that one, you can specify one location to save files.  You can try that setting and see if files are automatically downloaded as you want. 
 
As for the problem of not being able to add file types to the actions list, that does appear to not be there.  I never used such a feature in earlier versions but I know there were a lot more filetypes in the default list. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updated Firefox, and I don't like it

I updated to that version recently.  I'm using the portable version and I have Chrome on my computer.  I don't know if using the portable version makes any difference.  Nothing was imported automatically.  The behavior you describe makes no sense and I'll be awaiting other comments. 
 
Why did you remove Chrome soon after installing it?  I don't have much preference between chroem and firefox but Chrome loads pages faster.  You may have removed it because you don't know one or two secrets that make it as or about as convenient to use as Firefox.  Discussing these may give you more options as to which browser you use.  Even if you don't use Chrome as your main browser, and I don't have an opinion about which is better overall, it is a very good idea to have multiple browsers available.  There are sites that Chrome works with much better in terms of accessibility and sites that Firefox does. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 10:15 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Updated Firefox, and I don't like it

There are things about browsers that, once established, shouldn't change
without notice. I encountered at least two when updating Firefox from
60.3.0 to 63.0.3, which I presume is the current version.


The first thing it did which I didn't want it to do was to import
everything--bookmarks, cookies, passwords, everything--from Chrome.
Thankfully I didn't have much to import because I only used Chrome for a
few days. Now I have to go back and remove it entirely, which I thought
I did when I uninstalled it.


But the second thing the new Firefox does which I absolutely do not
understand is, when downloading something, it displays the open/save
dialog, which isn't so bad in and of itself, but somebody decided to
take away the checkbox that says do this and don't ask me again. I had
to download forty files this way. Now I have to go into the options and
hope there's a way to change this behavior.


What other surprises await me? I shudder to think.




Re: Braille Display Questions

Victor
 

Hi everyone:

I own the focus 40 blew first generation braille display. I like it a lot! The only thing I don’t like about it is the keyboard because it does not have a very nice feel to it. Plus, some of the braille dots do not show up as nicely as others. I probably need to clean the display. Maybe that will help.

I have played with a newer generation focus 40 braille display and I like that keyboard better. I suspect that the dots are probably better too. I think the latest model of the focus braille display is made with stainless steel. I think they claim that it has much better dots. Unfortunately, it is very expensive.

I don’t know if it was the braille me or the orbit reader, but I have read that one of those displays allows the user to set the display twonn braille automatically add a chosen speed so you can read as fast as you like. That is a nice feature that will help improve speed reading. Someday I might want to own a braille me or the orbit reader. It sounds like the orbit reader might be a little better than the braille me. But I’m sure much of that is probably personal preference.

I wish they offered 40 sell braille displays from the braille me and the orbit reader as that 40 cell option is a standard line of braille text on a standard sheet of braille paper. But if these new devices offer automatic panting options, that might not matter as much. Besides, I like the idea of placing the smaller displays and a small bag or something like that. I like the idea of storing these displays in the side pocket of one of my duffel bag’s or my backpack or my fanny pack. I can store the Apple Bluetooth keyboard in my fanny pack and that’s nice and convenient.

I am interested to know how noisy these other braille displays are. My focus braille display makes hardly any noise. I find it interesting that some claimed that these other braille displays are a bit noisy. The noisiest part of my braille display is typing on the keyboard or pressing the other buttons.

Anyhow, I will have to read the information about the braille me and the orbit reader again just to satisfy my curiosity and inform myself. Again, I would like to on one of these displays in the future. I think there will be more advancements in these types of braille displays soon.

Victor


On Nov 16, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@...> wrote:

Josh, please could you send me a link to that Braille Me presentation.
 
Thanks.
 
Don Roberts
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Braille Display Questions

yes i can confirm all braille me issues have been fixed. i listened to a pennsylvania council of the blind podcast which demonstrates and confirms the braille me is now a good device to own, along with the orbit20. 


Re: Braille Display Questions

Donald L. Roberts
 


Josh, please could you send me a link to that Braille Me presentation.
 
Thanks.
 
Don Roberts
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Braille Display Questions

yes i can confirm all braille me issues have been fixed. i listened to a pennsylvania council of the blind podcast which demonstrates and confirms the braille me is now a good device to own, along with the orbit20. 


Re: Updated Firefox, and I don't like it

Gene
 

what screen-reader are you using?  Since your experience differs from most, if you gave us addresses of a few problematic pages, others could test them.  We could then determine if the problems appear to be general or specific to your system.  That might not help now, but it might mean that when you get or use a different system, you might want to try Chrome on it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Updated Firefox, and I don't like it

True, but I admit to being a bit of a Firefox biggot. I removed Chrome because I found more pages that did not read or react correctly than did, which I am finding out is the reverse of most people's experiences. I suppose it's just the places I go that don't play nice with Chrome and seem to play better with FF.


On 11/16/2018 11:33 AM, Gene wrote:
I updated to that version recently.  I'm using the portable version and I have Chrome on my computer.  I don't know if using the portable version makes any difference.  Nothing was imported automatically.  The behavior you describe makes no sense and I'll be awaiting other comments. 
 
Why did you remove Chrome soon after installing it?  I don't have much preference between chroem and firefox but Chrome loads pages faster.  You may have removed it because you don't know one or two secrets that make it as or about as convenient to use as Firefox.  Discussing these may give you more options as to which browser you use.  Even if you don't use Chrome as your main browser, and I don't have an opinion about which is better overall, it is a very good idea to have multiple browsers available.  There are sites that Chrome works with much better in terms of accessibility and sites that Firefox does. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 10:15 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Updated Firefox, and I don't like it

There are things about browsers that, once established, shouldn't change
without notice. I encountered at least two when updating Firefox from
60.3.0 to 63.0.3, which I presume is the current version.


The first thing it did which I didn't want it to do was to import
everything--bookmarks, cookies, passwords, everything--from Chrome.
Thankfully I didn't have much to import because I only used Chrome for a
few days. Now I have to go back and remove it entirely, which I thought
I did when I uninstalled it.


But the second thing the new Firefox does which I absolutely do not
understand is, when downloading something, it displays the open/save
dialog, which isn't so bad in and of itself, but somebody decided to
take away the checkbox that says do this and don't ask me again. I had
to download forty files this way. Now I have to go into the options and
hope there's a way to change this behavior.


What other surprises await me? I shudder to think.