Hi There Folks!
A local friend of mine put this system together for me about 7 and a half years ago.  I have had the video card as well as the HD which is now a 1 TB upgraded.  The only thing that hasn't been updated is the memory. I presently have 4 GB which I believe is a bit low..? Although aside from being a bit laggy at times I have really not experienced any serious issues with it except for the sluggishness.  Question, if I was to get another 4 to 8 GB of ram, how easy would itbe for me to install it myself?? I know this is possible but was wondering how easy or feesable it would be for me to do this? BTW, this system is a somewhat modified Tiger Direct kit. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Much THANKS and Have A Good 1!     

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 03:37 PM, Hope Williamson wrote:

I get that there are a lot of people not in their 20th year

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Indeed.  And it's incumbent on them to identify themselves as such.  Anyone who knows me from the various lists I'm on has seen me carefully nurse along true beginners many times.  That's what one should do.

But what I won't do is assume everyone on these lists, or even most on these lists, are true beginners.  Given the names I've been seeing and the time over which I've been seeing them in multiple venues this simply is not the case, which was my central point.

One has to make some assumption about what one believe about a new member if they don't introduce themselves and their skill level.  Mine is they've got basic computer and screen reader skills.  If they don't, and they say so, then one can code shift as appropriate.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna

But as Gene said, everyone is at a different level or does some things
quite well but struggles with other facets of learning technology.
That is, I thought, one purpose of groups like this: to ask for and
receive assistance about screen readers, browsers, etc. And for some
of us it is very confusing trying to follow directions that aren't
given in a more specific or screen reader-oriented way. I admit to
asking a sighted person to be with me on the line when talking to some
tech support people, because I wasn't quite getting what the person
was wanting me to do. Not giving the phone to a sighted person, but
being with them so I could take part in doing what I could. But I
wouldn't judge anyone who for the most part depended on people; I mean
after all, if they cared enough to join the group, they too may
someday feel confident and more able to do things more independently.
I do hope people won't be afraid to seek help or ask for something to
be clarified because they have been told they should know certain
things already. I have received valuable assistance from this group,
and I have also found the courage and just plain challenging fun to
learn some things on my own. But again, we're all at different
learning levels and I think we should not be made to feel we should be
at a certain place in tech skills to be a part of this group.

Also, many of us have had training as well as being a part of tech
groups. If we received training that didn't really fully explain how
sighted people may look at or say something, that doesn't make us less
independent. We learn different ways and with different instructors,
just as every sighted person is different and at varying skill levels.

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From: "Hope Williamson" <webspinner@mail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 3:37 PM
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Restoring Classic ALT+TAB behavior in Windows
10, Version20H2

OK OK so this is around my 20th year using a screen reader. Yep, I know
how to translate instructions written by sighted people. In fact, I just
did. It took like 15 seconds. I can do it on the fly at this point.

    I get that there are a lot of people not in their20th year, some
are a lot newer. It's just something I learned over time. I didn't have
any formal training for about the first year. Even then, it's something
I picked up between my formal training, and my self-teaching.


On 11/10/2020 11:57 AM, Gene wrote:

I never said that you should leave the list.  You have your opinion,
as much anger as it may generate on the list.  If, however, your
opinion generates the amount of traffic I anticipate I may ask that
you not repeatedly express it for the sake of the list functioning
smoothly and not repeatedly stirring up a lot of emotions for no
benefit.

I don't ask people to leave the list because of their opinion. That is
a completely different matter than my responsibility to keep the list
from becoming too contentious.  I have no objection to you expressing
this opinion, but not repeatedly.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 1:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Restoring Classic ALT+TAB behavior in Windows
10, Version20H2

Gene,

           You are willing to assume a level of ignorance that I
cannot, will not, and has not ever been shown to me in all my years of
tutoring. I'll leave it at that.

           Also, you, any you, are obligated to ask for clarification
when required.  You are not permitted to demand that any and all
advice be given in exactly the format and manner you see fit.

            If you would prefer I leave this list, then say so, I
will. But I will not presume the level of ignorance you do, and I will
not put up with demands that all sighted instructions be translated
into screen reader language, as I do and will presume any long term
user of a computer with a screen reader already knows exactly how to
do this, as they will have already read thousands of instruction sets
written in "mouse centric" language.

I never said that you should leave the list.  You have your opinion,
as much anger as it may generate on the list.  If, however, your
opinion generates the amount of traffic I anticipate I may ask that
you not repeatedly express it for the sake of the list functioning
smoothly and not repeatedly stirring up a lot of emotions for no benefit.

I don't ask people to leave the list because of their opinion. That is
a completely different matter than my responsibility to keep the list
from becoming too contentious.  I have no objection to you expressing
this opinion, but not repeatedly.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 1:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Restoring Classic ALT+TAB behavior in Windows
10, Version20H2

Gene,

           You are willing to assume a level of ignorance that I
cannot, will not, and has not ever been shown to me in all my years of
tutoring. I'll leave it at that.

           Also, you, any you, are obligated to ask for clarification
when required.  You are not permitted to demand that any and all
advice be given in exactly the format and manner you see fit.

            If you would prefer I leave this list, then say so, I
will. But I will not presume the level of ignorance you do, and I will
not put up with demands that all sighted instructions be translated
into screen reader language, as I do and will presume any long term
user of a computer with a screen reader already knows exactly how to
do this, as they will have already read thousands of instruction sets
written in "mouse centric" language.