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Re: what is the differenc between thunder bird and othermail programs like outlook express?

Gene
 

That's interesting.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2020 5:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] what is the differenc between thunder bird and othermail programs like outlook express?

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 05:55 PM, Gene wrote:
I've never heard of a slim version of Thunderbird.-
Gene, just for the record, the term "slim" is often used to mean portable, as it does not involve any changes to the operating system on which it is used (sometimes considered "bloat" of a sort).

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Re: what is the differenc between thunder bird and other mail programs like outlook express?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 04:31 PM, heather albright wrote:
Microsoft Outlook does work well, however, it has way more stuff than just your basic mail program and it does not have short cuts for all the actions in the program.
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Strictly speaking, this is almost certainly true, but the vast majority of all actions that can be taken in Outlook (or Thunderbird, for that matter) can be triggered via the keyboard.  The more things a program can do, the fewer 2-key-press shortcuts are available, but once you get into 2-key, plus one more, you've covered the vast majority of commonly used, and even infrequently used actions.  2-key followed by 2 additional is drilling down into very seldom used actions, for the most part.
 
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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Re: what is the differenc between thunder bird and other mail programs like outlook express?

Steve Matzura
 

Firstly, it's Thunderbird, one word, who knows what you'd get if you Googled it as two words.


Secondly, to more properly answer your question, this mail client is under constant development and updating, whereas Outlook Express is re-engineered from something that was obsolete by the time Windows 7 came out, and that's a long, long time ago.


Thirdly, yes, it is possible to create rules in Thunderbird to filter mesages to folders.


Fourthly, yes, it is possible to back up one's entire Thunderbird profile to ue on another system.


Fifthly, there are many native shortcuts. The scripts JAWS provides may add additional shortcut-key functions, but it's pretty straightforward access from the moment it's installed.


Sixthly, a few screenreader-specific customizations are--well--not exactly required, but do help in the long run, such as hiding screens and options one doesn't need to see in front of one all the time, like the calendar and to-do task list.


Hope this helps.


On 11/4/2020 4:31 PM, heather albright wrote:

Hay I have been hearing a lot about this program thunder bird. So it was said that it is similar to outlook express. SO can you make rules for your messages; and send read receipt request? So if you make rules for your groups can you back them up in a mail back up or do you have to recreate them all over again?   I would like to know some of the keyboard short cuts that might be different in this program. Or if any one has a text tutorial for this program. I have never used this program before. I have used the windows mail app, Microsoft outlook and  outlook express 6. Does it work well with jaws or NVDA? I would like to note, jaws does not work well with the Microsoft windows10 mail app and it is better to use NVDA instead of jaws. Express does not have any issues with both screen reader programs. Microsoft Outlook does work well, however, it has way more stuff than just your basic mail program and it does not have short cuts for all the actions in the program. I can safely say not one program is perfect across  the board. Thank you, cheers Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: outlook express adapted for windows 10

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 08:13 PM, Marie wrote:
I have yet to find an email client without some problem or other. It is up to the individual to try them out and pick the one which works best for you.
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Amen, Marie!!   And what one person considers to be "a problem" is something that certain others can ignore with ease.  It's all about what works for you.

I'd also extend your observation to virtually any tool, cyber or not.  What suits one person perfectly may be horrible for another.
 
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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Re: outlook express adapted for windows 10

Marie
 

I have yet to find an email client without some problem or other. It is up to the individual to try them out and pick the one which works best for you.
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 11:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10

If you had asked here, you would likely have easily learned it. There are a
small number of things you need to know to make operation easy and
efficient, but the program, once you know a few things, is similar to
Outlook Express and no more difficult.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Loy
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2020 1:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10


I am still using Outlook Express runasxp version, but it is no longer
available for new users. I will keep using it as long as I can. I have
tried Thunderbird but just could not learn how to use it. I can use Outlook,
but prefer the simplicity of OE.Original Message -----
From: Andy
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10

It seems like many people have issues with Thunderbird and JAWS under
Windows 10.

Andy


----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2020 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10





I agree. Thunderbird is definitely the way to go in Windows 10. Forget
about Windows Live Mail, which is no longer supported and may or may not
continue to work in Windows 10 if you can even find a usable version
somewhere online. The same is true of Outlook Express. The problem with
both WLM and Outlook Express is that feature updates to Windows 10, which
are now released every six months, may delete them and all their associated
files, requiring them to be reinstalled each time. Also, there is no
guarantee that a future update to Windows 10 won't break WLM or OE and cause
them to stop working altogether. There is a paid email client called OE
Classic which is similar to Outlook Express that works in Windows 10, but
there have been mixed reports about its accessibility with JAWS and NVDA.




Gerald








On 11/4/2020 5:49 AM, Gene wrote:
Is there any particular reason you want to use Outlook Express? You may be
able to find a version, but Thunderbird is not much different and it will
probably run well on your machine.

-----Original Message----- From: Fanus
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2020 3:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10

Hello list
Is there such an adapted version or if not, where can I download a version
of Windows live male that wil run on a win10 laptop and accessible with
JAWS? I did google for a WLM version but it won't install.
Regards
Fanus


Re: outlook express adapted for windows 10

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

I never could get Thunderbird full version to work well on Windows 10
even with

some pointers. Maybe I am just dumb.


No, not at all. Thunderbird does a few things in a somewhat nontraditional manner, compared to other email programs. However, as a TB user for over ten years it's well worth it to me unless you find that you're satisfied with the performance of your current email program.
While I can't provide private, one on one support I can tell you that there are many TB users out there who will more than likely be able to assist you should you decide to give TB another try. There is a dedicated Thunderbird list from a blindness perspective. To subscribe, send email to
thunderbird+subscribe@groups.io



David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 11/4/2020 7:12 PM, Loy wrote:
I just downloaded and installed Thunderbird portable on a thumb drive and
created a shortcut on my desktop. And I am able to use it. But I never
could get Thunderbird full version to work well on Windows 10 even with
some pointers. Maybe I am just dumb.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Loy via groups.io" <loyrg2845=gmail.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10


I did ask here and you gave me some pointers,But I just got so frustrated
with it, I uninstalled it and went to Outlook, in case OE stops working for
me. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10


If you had asked here, you would likely have easily learned it. There are a
small number of things you need to know to make operation easy and
efficient, but the program, once you know a few things, is similar to
Outlook Express and no more difficult.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Loy
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2020 1:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10


I am still using Outlook Express runasxp version, but it is no longer
available for new users. I will keep using it as long as I can. I have
tried Thunderbird but just could not learn how to use it. I can use Outlook,
but prefer the simplicity of OE.Original Message -----
From: Andy
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10

It seems like many people have issues with Thunderbird and JAWS under
Windows 10.

Andy


----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2020 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10





I agree. Thunderbird is definitely the way to go in Windows 10. Forget
about Windows Live Mail, which is no longer supported and may or may not
continue to work in Windows 10 if you can even find a usable version
somewhere online. The same is true of Outlook Express. The problem with
both WLM and Outlook Express is that feature updates to Windows 10, which
are now released every six months, may delete them and all their associated
files, requiring them to be reinstalled each time. Also, there is no
guarantee that a future update to Windows 10 won't break WLM or OE and cause
them to stop working altogether. There is a paid email client called OE
Classic which is similar to Outlook Express that works in Windows 10, but
there have been mixed reports about its accessibility with JAWS and NVDA.




Gerald








On 11/4/2020 5:49 AM, Gene wrote:
Is there any particular reason you want to use Outlook Express? You may be
able to find a version, but Thunderbird is not much different and it will
probably run well on your machine.

-----Original Message----- From: Fanus
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2020 3:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10

Hello list
Is there such an adapted version or if not, where can I download a version
of Windows live male that wil run on a win10 laptop and accessible with
JAWS? I did google for a WLM version but it won't install.
Regards
Fanus




























Re: outlook express adapted for windows 10

Loy
 

I just downloaded and installed Thunderbird portable on a thumb drive and
created a shortcut on my desktop. And I am able to use it. But I never
could get Thunderbird full version to work well on Windows 10 even with
some pointers. Maybe I am just dumb.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Loy via groups.io" <loyrg2845=gmail.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10


I did ask here and you gave me some pointers,But I just got so frustrated
with it, I uninstalled it and went to Outlook, in case OE stops working for
me. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10


If you had asked here, you would likely have easily learned it. There are a
small number of things you need to know to make operation easy and
efficient, but the program, once you know a few things, is similar to
Outlook Express and no more difficult.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Loy
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2020 1:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10


I am still using Outlook Express runasxp version, but it is no longer
available for new users. I will keep using it as long as I can. I have
tried Thunderbird but just could not learn how to use it. I can use Outlook,
but prefer the simplicity of OE.Original Message -----
From: Andy
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10

It seems like many people have issues with Thunderbird and JAWS under
Windows 10.

Andy


----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2020 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10





I agree. Thunderbird is definitely the way to go in Windows 10. Forget
about Windows Live Mail, which is no longer supported and may or may not
continue to work in Windows 10 if you can even find a usable version
somewhere online. The same is true of Outlook Express. The problem with
both WLM and Outlook Express is that feature updates to Windows 10, which
are now released every six months, may delete them and all their associated
files, requiring them to be reinstalled each time. Also, there is no
guarantee that a future update to Windows 10 won't break WLM or OE and cause
them to stop working altogether. There is a paid email client called OE
Classic which is similar to Outlook Express that works in Windows 10, but
there have been mixed reports about its accessibility with JAWS and NVDA.




Gerald








On 11/4/2020 5:49 AM, Gene wrote:
Is there any particular reason you want to use Outlook Express? You may be
able to find a version, but Thunderbird is not much different and it will
probably run well on your machine.

-----Original Message----- From: Fanus
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2020 3:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10

Hello list
Is there such an adapted version or if not, where can I download a version
of Windows live male that wil run on a win10 laptop and accessible with
JAWS? I did google for a WLM version but it won't install.
Regards
Fanus


Re: quick Question about NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

It is possible to change the keystroke to bring up the NVDA menu (open the NVDA menu, preferences, then down arrow to "Input Gestures" and enter.  In that dialog search for "NVDA menu").  However, before doing that, you want to make sure that you have your NVDA key working and know what it is.  Without an NVDA key, you will run into lots of problems trying to get NVDA to give you information.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 9:37 AM Sharon Hooley <shooley42@...> wrote:
Thanks for thetips!  So, is there a way to change the preferences that the NVDA keys + n will enter the menu like has in the past?

Thanks again, 

Is it hard to communicate, even with hearing aids?  Visit

On Nov 4, 2020, at 12:55 AM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:


Note that your NVDA key will be either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on what you have setup.  As Gene suggested, if you can't get to it that way, you can go via the notification area (system tray):

1. Press WINDOWS+B to jump to the navigation area.
2. Press the RIGHT ARROW to move to the NVDA icon (If you can't find it, go to "Notification overflow chevron", enter on that and then arrow through the extra icons).
3. Press ENTER to open the NVDA menu
4. Press DOWN ARROW once to "Preferences"
5. Press ENTER to open the sub-menu
6. Press ENTER again to open "Settings".
7. Press CONTROL+TAB to get to the "Keyboard" settings.

The first option is the Keyboard Layout.  Basically Desktop layout uses the number pad for some functions, and laptop layout doesn't.  So if you want to use NVDA+DOWN ARROW to say all from the current point, then you want Desktop Layout.  If you want to use NVDA+A for Say all, then that's Laptop keyboard layout.

The next option is your NVDA modifier key(s).  You can select one or more of:
CAPS LOCK
NUMPAD INSERT
INSERT (The one near DELETE, HOME, END, PAGE UP, PAGE DOWN, etc)

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 2:47 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
If you are using the command NVDA key n and the menu doesn't open, you can
try opening it from the system tray.  Right click the NVDA icon and the menu
will open if it can.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Hooley
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2020 9:44 PM
To: Techtalk
Subject: [TechTalk] quick Question about NVDA

Hi,


I can't seem to access the NVDA menu.  Do I need to download extra software?


Thanks,













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Training and Support Manager



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Training and Support Manager


Re: what is the differenc between thunder bird and othermail programs like outlook express?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Gerald,

           Also correct.  A third meaning sometimes meant by "slim" in reference to a program is a version that's "stripped down" to its core functions, dumping most of the seldom used "bells and whistles" that are in full versions.

           If ever there were a fuzzy adjective in the world of computing, "slim" is it!
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: microsoft office 365 is it accessible with NVDA?

Quentin Christensen
 

Thank you Mário, you are most welcome!

Also, for anyone wanting to improve their skills with Microsoft Office and NVDA, we have training material for Word, Excel, Outlook and PowerPoint at https://www.nvaccess.org/shop

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 8:07 PM Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@...> wrote:



hi Quentin.
great tips.
thank you good friend.
thank you for everything you do for us, and for the world NVDA community.
you are a wonderful human being.
god bless you Quentin.
long life for you.

cheers.

Às 07:59 de 04/11/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi Mário,

Yes NVDA works great with Office 365.  There are some things which work better, for instance, spell check in Word didn't used to have the option to read the context of the misspelt word or definition of suggested replacements - except by using object navigation.  Now that all works as you navigate around the spellcheck pane.  Because Office 365 is regularly updated, there is always the danger of things breaking, but for the most part, I would say Microsoft fix more things than they break in terms of accessibility overall.  Plus, if you DO report an issue (accessibility or otherwise) in say Office 2016 or even Office 2019 - Microsoft aren't going to fix it in that version, they'll fix it (if it's still an issue) in Office 365.

So the main consideration then is that Office 365 is a subscription product you pay for either monthly or yearly, vs Office 2019 which can buy outright with one (higher initial outlay) purchase.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 9:37 PM Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@...> wrote:

Hello all.
can someone please confirm if the version of office 365 home, or the
personal version is accessible with NVDA?
if so, what is the percentage rate from 1 to 10?
the main office apps that I will use are: word, and excel.
How does NVDA work with these two apps?
can I invest without accessibility concerns in office 365 home, or
personal with NVDA?
I always got used to using the office pack 2016, or 2019.
but now I need other types of services with office 365.
and my concern is whether I will have the same accessibility with office
365.
I know that the structure and layout are different, but what interests
me is whether NVDA works normally as well as in the office pack, or
there are differences in accessibility.
please can someone give me some tips on this subject?
thank you all.
cheers.







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Training and Support Manager

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Training and Support Manager


Re: what is the differenc between thunder bird and othermail programs like outlook express?

Gerald Levy
 


  "Slim"can also  refer to a program that can be installed without also surreptitiously installing unwanted crapware.  For example, CCleaner has a slim version that installed only CCleaner itself without other unwanted Piriform programs like Avastt, which many blind computer users often wind up installing inadvertently much to their chagrin, because it is very difficult to uninstall. Thunderbird has no slim version, but downloading it from the Ninite site ensures that no unwanted garbage will also be installed. 


Gerald



On 11/4/2020 6:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 05:55 PM, Gene wrote:
I've never heard of a slim version of Thunderbird.
-
Gene, just for the record, the term "slim" is often used to mean portable, as it does not involve any changes to the operating system on which it is used (sometimes considered "bloat" of a sort).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: outlook express adapted for windows 10

david
 

outlook keystrokes,

request delivered  receipt=alt+p/u

request read receipt, alt+p/q

ctrl+n=new message,

from either of the ssubjectline, or, body of mesage,

request delivered  receipt=alt+p/u

request read receipt alt+p/q

create message rule,

applications key, s/u

so, applications key,

s=message rules sub-menu,

u=create rule

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 3:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10

 

I wanted to say outlook express works great as long as you back up your e-mail manually because when ever windows updates, you lose the outlook express folder. So I am not saying do not use the program,  just be prepared to manually back up your e-mails manually! So saying, I want to suggest one use 2 programs on their machine just incase one program stops working for what ever reason, you still have access to your e-mails till you get the other program to work again. Just remember outlook express is quite old and would expect to have issues. I wish outlook had a slim  version for checking e-mails. I do not need a lot of stuff in Microsoft outlook. Wish it had more keyboard shortcuts instead of always have to use the minues to make selections. Example, message receits and program rules. Cheers Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10

 

That may  be, but I'd like to have others who use the program comment, since you may have seen some messages from people who do while the majority of people don't but have been less, perhaps far less, likely to complain since things are working well.  Whatever the case, I think its a much better idea to use Thunderbird portable now so that when you switch to Windows 10, you can simply copy the program to the new machine and have everything there, with the possible exception of message rules, I don't know if they will transfer.  If you find the program doesn't work well, you can always use something else then and you may save yourself work if it does.  What could be easier than just copying the folder to a new machine?  You won't even have to set up your account again and if you are using pop3, all your messages will transfer as well.  If you aren't using pop3, all your messages will appear on the new machine if you use IMAP that are still on the server.  I don't know with IMAP accounts if mail is generally kept on the server or removed over time.  But if you save mail on your local machine, using the local folders provided in the program. all that mail will transfer to the new machine when you copy the program. 

 

Gene

On 11/4/2020 1:40 PM, Andy wrote:



It seems like many people have issues with Thunderbird and JAWS under Windows 10.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2020 3:09 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10

 

 

I agree.  Thunderbird is definitely the way to go in Windows 10.  Forget about Windows Live Mail, which is no longer supported and may or may not continue to work in Windows 10 if you can even find a usable version somewhere online.  The same is true of Outlook Express.  The problem with both WLM and Outlook Express is that feature updates to Windows 10, which are now released every six months, may delete them and all their associated files, requiring them to be reinstalled each time.  Also, there is no guarantee that a future update to Windows 10 won't break WLM or OE and cause them to stop working altogether.  There is a paid email client called OE Classic which is similar to Outlook Express that works in Windows 10, but there have been mixed reports about its accessibility with JAWS and NVDA.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/4/2020 5:49 AM, Gene wrote:

Is there any particular reason you want to use Outlook Express?  You may be able to find a version, but Thunderbird is not much different and it will probably run well on your machine.

-----Original Message----- From: Fanus
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2020 3:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] outlook express adapted for windows 10

Hello list
Is there such an adapted version or if not, where can I download a version
of Windows live male that wil run on a win10 laptop and accessible with
JAWS? I did google for a WLM version but it won't install.
Regards
Fanus









 


Re: quick Question about NVDA

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 05:37 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
So, is there a way to change the preferences that the NVDA keys + n will enter the menu like has in the past?
-
That's a function of your keyboard layout, unless you've remapped a command in NVDA itself (if that can even be done for this pivotal command).  INS+N should open it if you're using desktop keyboard layout or CAPS LOCK+N if laptop.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: what is the differenc between thunder bird and othermail programs like outlook express?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 05:55 PM, Gene wrote:
I've never heard of a slim version of Thunderbird.
-
Gene, just for the record, the term "slim" is often used to mean portable, as it does not involve any changes to the operating system on which it is used (sometimes considered "bloat" of a sort).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: outlook express adapted for windows 10

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 03:29 PM, heather albright wrote:
just be prepared to manually back up your e-mails manually!
-
Or simply use IMAP access rather than POP, which keeps your email archive on your provider's servers and you need not worry about backups (because, believe me, the data centers of email service providers do).
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: outlook express adapted for windows 10

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 04:24 PM, iram shabbir wrote:
please teach me how to use thunder bird. because i m still outlook express user
-
There are scads of tutorials out there on using Thunderbird with a screen reader.  A web search on Thunderbird paired with the screen reader you intend to use will turn them up.  In the case of NVDA, see Accessible email client Mozilla Thunderbird

The information there about setting up an account is more complicated than it need be these days, and discusses manual account setup.  Thunderbird, like most modern email clients, is able to automatically set up virtually all the settings for an email server if you supply it with your email address and password, and in the case of email service providers that use modern OAUTH authorization, will take you through that process (to the extent it can, once you're thrown to the provider's website to complete it you must follow the steps there).
 
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Re: what is the differenc between thunder bird and othermail programs like outlook express?

Gene
 

I've never heard of a slim version of Thunderbird.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] what is the differenc between thunder bird and othermail programs like outlook express?



Thank you, I had sent the message again as I noticed the mistakes in my first message but, was not quick enough to stop it; woe! Just for clarification, is the slim version on ninite? I like to use slim programs if I can.

Thanks cheers Heather



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From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 4:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] what is the differenc between thunder bird and othermail programs like outlook express?





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Re: quick Question about NVDA

Sharon Hooley
 

Thanks for thetips!  So, is there a way to change the preferences that the NVDA keys + n will enter the menu like has in the past?

Thanks again, 

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On Nov 4, 2020, at 12:55 AM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:


Note that your NVDA key will be either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on what you have setup.  As Gene suggested, if you can't get to it that way, you can go via the notification area (system tray):

1. Press WINDOWS+B to jump to the navigation area.
2. Press the RIGHT ARROW to move to the NVDA icon (If you can't find it, go to "Notification overflow chevron", enter on that and then arrow through the extra icons).
3. Press ENTER to open the NVDA menu
4. Press DOWN ARROW once to "Preferences"
5. Press ENTER to open the sub-menu
6. Press ENTER again to open "Settings".
7. Press CONTROL+TAB to get to the "Keyboard" settings.

The first option is the Keyboard Layout.  Basically Desktop layout uses the number pad for some functions, and laptop layout doesn't.  So if you want to use NVDA+DOWN ARROW to say all from the current point, then you want Desktop Layout.  If you want to use NVDA+A for Say all, then that's Laptop keyboard layout.

The next option is your NVDA modifier key(s).  You can select one or more of:
CAPS LOCK
NUMPAD INSERT
INSERT (The one near DELETE, HOME, END, PAGE UP, PAGE DOWN, etc)

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 2:47 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
If you are using the command NVDA key n and the menu doesn't open, you can
try opening it from the system tray.  Right click the NVDA icon and the menu
will open if it can.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Hooley
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2020 9:44 PM
To: Techtalk
Subject: [TechTalk] quick Question about NVDA

Hi,


I can't seem to access the NVDA menu.  Do I need to download extra software?


Thanks,













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Re: what is the differenc between thunder bird and othermail programs like outlook express?

heather albright
 

Thank you, I had sent the message again as I noticed the mistakes in my first message but, was not quick enough to stop it; woe! Just for clarification, is the slim version on ninite? I like to use slim programs if I can.

Thanks cheers Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 4:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] what is the differenc between thunder bird and othermail programs like outlook express?

 

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Re: jaws and spotify desktop app

Kimsan
 

Initially yes when doing so I was using the virtual cursor; however, when I turned it off and tried the key stroke nothing.
I don't have a problem doing jaws key 3 before the CTRL up arrow but thanks for the keystroke.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 11:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] jaws and spotify desktop app

Are you in the Virtual PC Cursor when using Spotify? You don't need to check but try turning it off with JAWS key z before using the command. Then turn it on again with the same command, JAWS key z when finished. I seem to recall that when I used to use Spotify more, I was in the virtual pc cursor.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2020 1:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] jaws and spotify desktop app



Thanks gene,

That worked; however, I had to do the jaws bypass command in order for it to
work.





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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 12:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] jaws and spotify desktop app





I haven't used Spotify much for quite some time. My recollection is that
control up arrow raises the volume and control down arrow lowers it. I
don't know if that still is the case but it was a few years ago, when I used
Spotify quite a bit.

Gene



On 11/4/2020 2:10 AM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:



Hi,

Does anyone use spotify on here with jaws?

If so, how do you find the volume slider.

I’ve routed jaws to pc, used the touch curser and no go.





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