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Re: NVDA, A Space Hog

Dave
 

Hi,


Just for laughs, I checked my own installation of NVDA on a Win 10
System, up to date with all Windows and NVDA updates.  Total space on
this Machine was 125 MB, and not GB.


Not sure why yours is claiming 80 Gigabits of valuable HD space.


Grumpy Dave

On 11/1/2020 8:02 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:
I was looking at my C drive. It was showing over 200 GB of space used.
I thought that strange and assumed Windows must have bloated at some
point. But as Brian pointed out, the OS does not take up much space,
so I started poking around and damned if I didn’t discover NVDA alone
was hogging up 80 gigs all on its own. There’s a recycling bin that
alone was taking up 40 gigs. The library folder was also heavy in
data. Can someone explain why this might be happening? I don’t want to
take an ax to things without understanding why it might be doing this.
Thanks for any info.

Joe




Re: NVDA, A Space Hog

Monte Single
 

Yes, my nvda folder is also 120 megabytes.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Taylor
Sent: November 1, 2020 10:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, A Space Hog

 

Hi Joe,

You may like to go through your NVDA subfolders to insure something hasn't been inadvertently placed there. Mine is 120MB in size, that includes addons.

 

On 2/11/2020 2:02 pm, Joe Orozco wrote:

I was looking at my C drive. It was showing over 200 GB of space used.
I thought that strange and assumed Windows must have bloated at some
point. But as Brian pointed out, the OS does not take up much space,
so I started poking around and damned if I didn’t discover NVDA alone
was hogging up 80 gigs all on its own. There’s a recycling bin that
alone was taking up 40 gigs. The library folder was also heavy in
data. Can someone explain why this might be happening? I don’t want to
take an ax to things without understanding why it might be doing this.
Thanks for any info.
 
Joe
 
 
 
 
 


Re: NVDA, A Space Hog

Mike B
 


My 1st post was of my Windows 7 64 bit system, the below is for my Windows 10 installation:
 
NVDA
Type: File folder
Location: C:\Program Files (x86)
Size: 131 MB (137,902,803 bytes)
Size on disk: 76.0 MB (79,753,216 bytes)
Contains: 1,312 Files, 263 Folders
Created: Monday, October 8, 2018, 1:41:40 PM

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2020 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, A Space Hog

Hi Joe and Sam,
 
This is my total info.
 
NVDA
Type: File folder
Location: C:\Program Files (x86)
Size: 126 MB (132,564,098 bytes)
Size on disk: 75.2 MB (78,905,607 bytes)
Contains: 1,614 Files, 277 Folders
Created: Saturday, November 28, 2015, 12:39:42 PM
 
Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Taylor
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2020 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, A Space Hog

Hi Joe,

You may like to go through your NVDA subfolders to insure something hasn't been inadvertently placed there. Mine is 120MB in size, that includes addons.


On 2/11/2020 2:02 pm, Joe Orozco wrote:
I was looking at my C drive. It was showing over 200 GB of space used.
I thought that strange and assumed Windows must have bloated at some
point. But as Brian pointed out, the OS does not take up much space,
so I started poking around and damned if I didn’t discover NVDA alone
was hogging up 80 gigs all on its own. There’s a recycling bin that
alone was taking up 40 gigs. The library folder was also heavy in
data. Can someone explain why this might be happening? I don’t want to
take an ax to things without understanding why it might be doing this.
Thanks for any info.

Joe






Re: NVDA, A Space Hog

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 11:07 PM, Sam Taylor wrote:
Mine is 120MB in size, that includes addons.
-
Same here.

It is very, very easy to accidentally save downloads in unexpected locations if you use the "ask me where to save" each time and aren't paying attention every time you download.  We've all done it at one point or another.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: NVDA, A Space Hog

Mike B
 


Hi Joe and Sam,
 
This is my total info.
 
NVDA
Type: File folder
Location: C:\Program Files (x86)
Size: 126 MB (132,564,098 bytes)
Size on disk: 75.2 MB (78,905,607 bytes)
Contains: 1,614 Files, 277 Folders
Created: Saturday, November 28, 2015, 12:39:42 PM
 
Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Taylor
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2020 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, A Space Hog

Hi Joe,

You may like to go through your NVDA subfolders to insure something hasn't been inadvertently placed there. Mine is 120MB in size, that includes addons.


On 2/11/2020 2:02 pm, Joe Orozco wrote:
I was looking at my C drive. It was showing over 200 GB of space used.
I thought that strange and assumed Windows must have bloated at some
point. But as Brian pointed out, the OS does not take up much space,
so I started poking around and damned if I didn’t discover NVDA alone
was hogging up 80 gigs all on its own. There’s a recycling bin that
alone was taking up 40 gigs. The library folder was also heavy in
data. Can someone explain why this might be happening? I don’t want to
take an ax to things without understanding why it might be doing this.
Thanks for any info.

Joe






Re: NVDA, A Space Hog

Sam Taylor <sjt1982@...>
 

Hi Joe,

You may like to go through your NVDA subfolders to insure something hasn't been inadvertently placed there. Mine is 120MB in size, that includes addons.


On 2/11/2020 2:02 pm, Joe Orozco wrote:
I was looking at my C drive. It was showing over 200 GB of space used.
I thought that strange and assumed Windows must have bloated at some
point. But as Brian pointed out, the OS does not take up much space,
so I started poking around and damned if I didn’t discover NVDA alone
was hogging up 80 gigs all on its own. There’s a recycling bin that
alone was taking up 40 gigs. The library folder was also heavy in
data. Can someone explain why this might be happening? I don’t want to
take an ax to things without understanding why it might be doing this.
Thanks for any info.

Joe






NVDA, A Space Hog

Joe Orozco
 

I was looking at my C drive. It was showing over 200 GB of space used.
I thought that strange and assumed Windows must have bloated at some
point. But as Brian pointed out, the OS does not take up much space,
so I started poking around and damned if I didn’t discover NVDA alone
was hogging up 80 gigs all on its own. There’s a recycling bin that
alone was taking up 40 gigs. The library folder was also heavy in
data. Can someone explain why this might be happening? I don’t want to
take an ax to things without understanding why it might be doing this.
Thanks for any info.

Joe


Re: Upgrading Memory and Storage

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Joe,

          There's no real answer to "what's more RAM than I need" without actually knowing exactly what's being done.  But unless you're doing something very memory intensive and processor intensive my recommendation is a minimum of 8GB of memory and a maximum of 16GB for "the great middle of the bell curve" of Windows 10 users..  All modern operating systems are set up to optimize the use of the available memory, but if there's "way too much" you just have an unused asset.

The Crucial System Scan gives you the information you need to buy memory from anyone, not just them.  If you pay attention to the PCx-99999 part of the description that's generally enough provided you know if you're looking for desktop or laptop memory, because the form of the sticks is distinctive to each.

I can't imagine why you believe that the operating system is taking up much of a 256GB drive.  The variation in space taken by Windows 10 is small, and Windows 10 Pro uses just under 30GB.

I'll let someone else speak to the ease, or lack thereof, of trying to do a RAM or SSD upgrade sans sight.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Twitter

Madison Martin
 

Hi all,

I just tried again and I was able to click on the next button. Now there's a new issue, I don't have a cell phone, and I really didn't want to use one of my parents' numbers. I tried using my email address, but it said that this email had already been taken, which doesn't make sense as if it had then I wouldn't have this address to begin with. Any idea what the issue could be? Could it have

something to do with the fact that I use this email with my Facebook account?  

 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: November 1, 2020 3:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Twitter

 

Hi all,

I just tried to create my account, but when I clicked on the next button nothing happened. Everything is right, am I doing something wrong? Thanks

Madison

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fawaz Abdul rahman
Sent: October 31, 2020 4:19 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Twitter

 

I believe most people use twitter clients such as tw Blue, that is on windows, on iOS the official app or twitterrific quite good option.

I think only tw blue is being developed now a days although it needs to be updated as well but still it is functioning fine.

Good luck.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:38 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Twitter

 

Hi all,

I'm thinking about getting Twitter, is there anyone on hear who uses it with

Jaws? If so, how easy and accessible is it to use? How well does it work with

Edge? Any shortcuts or tips/tricks that any of you have? And finally, is there a

basic site similar to the ones Facebook has? I know it's not like Facebook, but

still. Look forward to any help/suggestions that anyone can provide, as I don't

really know anything about Twitter!!! Thanks Madison

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Any recommendations of instructional technology websites?

Gene
 

Do you mean learning how to used various programs with tutorials or instructions for how to perform specic tasks or both?

There is a site called Accessibility Central. I haven't looked at it much but it has a lot of tutorials. While they tell you how to use programs with NVDA, if you know your screen-reader a lot of the information perhaps most should be usable by you. If you kknow your screen-reader, you will know how to do the equivalents that use screen-reader commands. Most of what people use most of the time are Windows and program commands.
Here is a link to the home page:
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/
Here is a link to the main tutorial page:
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials.html
Quite a way down the page you will see a link that says NVDA tutorials for other programs. The address is:
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

On that page, moving by heading appears to be the best way to see what is available. I haven't looked at the other pages enough to know if that is consistent. But that page may be the one where you will find most of what you want unless you want to learn about NVDA in some detail.

You won't see this if you move by headings on this page but there is something you or others may be interested in, a tutorial on Thunderbirdl.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Hooley
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2020 3:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Any recommendations of instructional technology websites?

Hi,

Are there any specific websites you prefer to go to learn technology-related how-to's and tips and tricks, including topics on computer and mobile devices? I googled something and came up with results I'm not sure are the most reliable sources of instructions.

Thanks for any input you may have,


Is it hard to communicate, even with hearing aids? Visit
www.CochlearAmericas.com


talking scales

heather albright
 

Hi, Thanks for the link. Well, the leads to my batteries broke off in my hand when I went to change the batteries. But, the scale last way past it’s time I think. I bought in 2003 from the NFB independence market while I was working in DC! Cheers Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Any recommendations of instructional technology websites?

Sharon Hooley
 

Hi,

Are there any specific websites you prefer to go to learn technology-related how-to's and tips and tricks, including topics on computer and mobile devices? I googled something and came up with results I'm not sure are the most reliable sources of instructions.

Thanks for any input you may have,


Is it hard to communicate, even with hearing aids? Visit
www.CochlearAmericas.com


Re: Twitter

Madison Martin
 

Hi all,

I just tried to create my account, but when I clicked on the next button nothing happened. Everything is right, am I doing something wrong? Thanks

Madison

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fawaz Abdul rahman
Sent: October 31, 2020 4:19 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Twitter

 

I believe most people use twitter clients such as tw Blue, that is on windows, on iOS the official app or twitterrific quite good option.

I think only tw blue is being developed now a days although it needs to be updated as well but still it is functioning fine.

Good luck.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:38 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Twitter

 

Hi all,

I'm thinking about getting Twitter, is there anyone on hear who uses it with

Jaws? If so, how easy and accessible is it to use? How well does it work with

Edge? Any shortcuts or tips/tricks that any of you have? And finally, is there a

basic site similar to the ones Facebook has? I know it's not like Facebook, but

still. Look forward to any help/suggestions that anyone can provide, as I don't

really know anything about Twitter!!! Thanks Madison

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Properties show two disk sizes

Howard Traxler
 

How does one turn off the reading of those column headers in NVDA? It get a little verbose to hear it each time I read across a line in "this pc" or "file explorer".

Thanks.
Howard

On 11/1/2020 10:24 AM, Gene wrote:
The question raises a more basic question.  How are you reading the columns? They all have explanatory text that is read.  If you don't hear the text read, the question is why?

Gene
-----Original Message-----




Upgrading Memory and Storage

Joe Orozco
 

Hello everyone,

My apologies to Mary for latching onto her laptop thread and perhaps
expanding it beyond what she had been hoping.

First, what is your experience upgrading RAM on your laptops? Like
Mary, I am also looking at buying a new laptop, but then it occurred
to me I could just upgrade the RAM as one possible means of getting
what I want out of a couple machines I already own. The smaller HP
Pavilion only features 4 gigs and could very likely benefit from a
boost. I'll have to check to see if the memory can in fact be upgraded
on that particular 11 inch model. I have 8 gigs on my larger Lenovo
T470, with one slot empty, so I'm thinking I could also double that
memory for a more fluid experience. I've been noticing points of
sluggish where there used to be faster processing.

My questions:

1. How much RAM is too much RAM before the experience boost is negligible?

2. I ran a scan on Crucial. I think I could buy memory kits cheaper
than what I found on their site, but I'm worried about compatibility.
What do I need to look out for if I purchase outside of Crucial's
recommended products?

3. Finally, have you successfully installed the kits yourself? I'm
worried about lifting out the sticks incorrectly and harming the gold
connectors. I'm not sure I want to spend extra money on something like
Geek Squad, but I will if it comes to it. I may post around my
apartment building too in case someone is familiar with the process
and charge me cheaper.

And then, looking at SSD upgrades, what is the best way to transfer my
current operating system with files and settings onto a larger drive?
The Lenovo has 256 gigs, of which a little over 200 gigs have been
consumed. My documents only take up about 30 gigs, so I'm frankly
appalled at the amount of space the hard drive has been taken up with
the operating system and installed programs.

I know SSD drives still remain relatively expensive, but even after
purchasing additional RAM and possibly SSD, I think it would be less
expensive than going in for a whole new machine.



Thanks for any help.

Joe


Re: A couple of questions about apple devices

Josh Kennedy
 

The latest iPad is the iPad eighth generation. Second I would go with a 128 gig iPad because once you start downloading apps and things and the voiceover recognition feature and TV shows and movies and documents, you will probably want the extra space 1 128 gigs and it's $330 for 32 gig iPad, and $430 for a 128 gig iPad


Re: Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On

Gene
 

The check box isn't properly accessible.
Press space on the more options button.
You will be in a menu. Down arrow to options and press enter.
Now, turn browse mode off, NVDA key space bar, and tab around. You will find two check boxes.

The unlabeled check box is checked by default. Of course, you may uncheck it, butt I have no idea what that will do. But since it is checked by default and some people report the problem while others don't, I doubt it is related.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2020 11:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On

Hi Brian,

I d not see a second checkbox under the add on dialogue for this add on. I wonder what screen reader you are using.



On 11/1/2020 10:42 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I said this to Gene privately recently, but since it's come up here, I do not have this problem, many other people I know do not have this problem with the latest versions of Thunderbird and the Quick Folder Key Navigation Add-On.

When I open the Thunderbird Add-Ons manager and hit the triple-dot menu button for Quick Folder Key Navigation and go to its options, I do see something "odd" that I can't explain why it's this way, but it's worth checking. There are two checkboxes in the Options, one clearly labeled, "Enable Mail-folder key navigation," along with a second, unlabeled checkbox that is checked. I have no idea if something will be announced beyond "checkbox" for that second checkbox, but mine's checked and the issue described with constant need to disable/reenable is not occurring, and that's over a long period now.

The description in the add-on manager also goes into further detail than it once did, and I'll put the text here for easier review:
General Description: This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular folder in the folder pane simply by typing the first few letters of the folder name when the folder pane has focus. Note that single-letter Thunderbird short-cuts (such as "p" and "n" for moving to the previous and next unread message respectively) do not work in the folder pane when key navigation is enabled. Therefore, There is an option to turn key navigation on/off, as well as for adding this option to the context menu when the folder pane has focus.
Details: This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular folder in the folder pane simply by typing the first few letters of the folder name when the folder pane has focus. Note that single-letter Thunderbird short-cuts (such as the short-cuts for moving to the next and previous unread message) do not work in the folder pane when key navigation is enabled. Therefore, There is an option to turn key navigation on/off, as well as for adding this item to the "Go" menu.

Homepage https://github.com/hartag/keynav
--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Looking for a laptop replacement

Mary Smith
 

I feel this discussion has probably gone on long enough so I'm a little hesitant to post anything else right now.

On 2020-11-01 12:22 p.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 12:05 PM, Mary Smith wrote:

I don't think I'd find a Windows machine that fits my requirements so I'm
willing to consider other devices such as the ones I've stated previously.
-
Mary,

Then I would ask that you restate your list of requirements, as this topic has gone on for so long, and they've been scattered, that I do not remember them all and I honestly have no idea why you'd think (and I'm not saying you're wrong, either) that you couldn't find a Windows machine that fits them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

*Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.*

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com





Re: Looking for a laptop replacement

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 12:05 PM, Mary Smith wrote:
I don't think I'd find a Windows machine that fits my requirements so I'm willing to consider other devices such as the ones I've stated previously.
-
Mary,

           Then I would ask that you restate your list of requirements, as this topic has gone on for so long, and they've been scattered, that I do not remember them all and I honestly have no idea why you'd think (and I'm not saying you're wrong, either) that you couldn't find a Windows machine that fits them.

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Ron, when you're in the Addons dialog look for a button labeled "more options" which will then show you this second unlabeled check box.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 11/1/2020 12:12 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Brian,

I d not see a second checkbox under the add on dialogue for this add on.  I wonder what screen reader you are using.


On 11/1/2020 10:42 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I said this to Gene privately recently, but since it's come up here, I do not have this problem, many other people I know do not have this problem with the latest versions of Thunderbird and the Quick Folder Key Navigation Add-On.

When I open the Thunderbird Add-Ons manager and hit the triple-dot menu button for Quick Folder Key Navigation and go to its options, I do see something "odd" that I can't explain why it's this way, but it's worth checking.  There are two checkboxes in the Options, one clearly labeled, "Enable Mail-folder key navigation," along with a second, unlabeled checkbox that is checked.  I have no idea if something will be announced beyond "checkbox" for that second checkbox, but mine's checked and the issue described with constant need to disable/reenable is not occurring, and that's over a long period now.

The description in the add-on manager also goes into further detail than it once did, and I'll put the text here for easier review:
General Description: This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular folder in the folder pane simply by typing the first few letters of the folder name when the folder pane has focus. Note that single-letter Thunderbird short-cuts (such as "p" and "n" for moving to the previous and next unread message respectively) do not work in the folder pane when key navigation is enabled. Therefore, There is an option to turn key navigation on/off, as well as for adding this option to the context menu when the folder pane has focus.
Details: This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular folder in the folder pane simply by typing the first few letters of the folder name when the folder pane has focus. Note that single-letter Thunderbird short-cuts (such as the short-cuts for moving to the next and previous unread message) do not work in the folder pane when key navigation is enabled. Therefore, There is an option to turn key navigation on/off, as well as for adding this item to the "Go" menu.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

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