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Re: Looking for a laptop replacement

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 12:05 PM, Mary Smith wrote:
I don't think I'd find a Windows machine that fits my requirements so I'm willing to consider other devices such as the ones I've stated previously.
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Mary,

           Then I would ask that you restate your list of requirements, as this topic has gone on for so long, and they've been scattered, that I do not remember them all and I honestly have no idea why you'd think (and I'm not saying you're wrong, either) that you couldn't find a Windows machine that fits them.

 
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Re: Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Ron, when you're in the Addons dialog look for a button labeled "more options" which will then show you this second unlabeled check box.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 11/1/2020 12:12 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Brian,

I d not see a second checkbox under the add on dialogue for this add on.  I wonder what screen reader you are using.


On 11/1/2020 10:42 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I said this to Gene privately recently, but since it's come up here, I do not have this problem, many other people I know do not have this problem with the latest versions of Thunderbird and the Quick Folder Key Navigation Add-On.

When I open the Thunderbird Add-Ons manager and hit the triple-dot menu button for Quick Folder Key Navigation and go to its options, I do see something "odd" that I can't explain why it's this way, but it's worth checking.  There are two checkboxes in the Options, one clearly labeled, "Enable Mail-folder key navigation," along with a second, unlabeled checkbox that is checked.  I have no idea if something will be announced beyond "checkbox" for that second checkbox, but mine's checked and the issue described with constant need to disable/reenable is not occurring, and that's over a long period now.

The description in the add-on manager also goes into further detail than it once did, and I'll put the text here for easier review:
General Description: This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular folder in the folder pane simply by typing the first few letters of the folder name when the folder pane has focus. Note that single-letter Thunderbird short-cuts (such as "p" and "n" for moving to the previous and next unread message respectively) do not work in the folder pane when key navigation is enabled. Therefore, There is an option to turn key navigation on/off, as well as for adding this option to the context menu when the folder pane has focus.
Details: This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular folder in the folder pane simply by typing the first few letters of the folder name when the folder pane has focus. Note that single-letter Thunderbird short-cuts (such as the short-cuts for moving to the next and previous unread message) do not work in the folder pane when key navigation is enabled. Therefore, There is an option to turn key navigation on/off, as well as for adding this item to the "Go" menu.
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Re: anyone using nfl gamepass

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Teny,

Using the IOS app, I see both a home and away button for the feeds. Are you talking about the IOS or Android app or the webpage itself?

On 11/1/2020 10:47 AM, tony via groups.io wrote:
noticed last few weeks only 1 listen button is present for each game
there used to be a home button and an away button



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Re: Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian,

I d not see a second checkbox under the add on dialogue for this add on.  I wonder what screen reader you are using.


On 11/1/2020 10:42 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I said this to Gene privately recently, but since it's come up here, I do not have this problem, many other people I know do not have this problem with the latest versions of Thunderbird and the Quick Folder Key Navigation Add-On.

When I open the Thunderbird Add-Ons manager and hit the triple-dot menu button for Quick Folder Key Navigation and go to its options, I do see something "odd" that I can't explain why it's this way, but it's worth checking.  There are two checkboxes in the Options, one clearly labeled, "Enable Mail-folder key navigation," along with a second, unlabeled checkbox that is checked.  I have no idea if something will be announced beyond "checkbox" for that second checkbox, but mine's checked and the issue described with constant need to disable/reenable is not occurring, and that's over a long period now.

The description in the add-on manager also goes into further detail than it once did, and I'll put the text here for easier review:
General Description: This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular folder in the folder pane simply by typing the first few letters of the folder name when the folder pane has focus. Note that single-letter Thunderbird short-cuts (such as "p" and "n" for moving to the previous and next unread message respectively) do not work in the folder pane when key navigation is enabled. Therefore, There is an option to turn key navigation on/off, as well as for adding this option to the context menu when the folder pane has focus.
Details: This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular folder in the folder pane simply by typing the first few letters of the folder name when the folder pane has focus. Note that single-letter Thunderbird short-cuts (such as the short-cuts for moving to the next and previous unread message) do not work in the folder pane when key navigation is enabled. Therefore, There is an option to turn key navigation on/off, as well as for adding this item to the "Go" menu.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gerald,

On the site referenced under the add  on manager, it says it was updated recently.


On 11/1/2020 7:32 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:


Yes, it is "compatible".  But this does not necessarily mean that it will work 100%.  I don't think the developer of Quick Key Folder Navigation has updated it in a long time, and although you can get it to work by re-enabling it every time you open Thunderbird, there is no guarantee that it won't stop working altogether in the future, as was the case withthe previously mentioned blind-friendly Firefox add-ons.


Gerald



On 11/1/2020 7:03 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gerald,

When I search for this add on, I get the message that it is compatible with version 78.4: go figure.


On 11/1/2020 6:31 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:


I don't think there is a solution.  I'm still running Thunderbird 68.1.21, and have the same problem. As with Firefox, Mozilla now scrutinizes all third-party add-ons for Thunderbird to ensure that they adhere to strict protocols , and so there is no guarantee that Quick Key Folder Navigation will continue to work in subsequent updates to Thunderbird, because its developer may simply give up trying to keep it up to date.   This is what happened with Firefox.  Blind-friendly add-ons like Webvisum and Navigational Sounds have been blocked from the latest versions of Firefox, and their developers have abandoned them.  The same thing may happen to Quick Key Folder Navigation, if it hasn't already, which may explain why it still works, but only partially.


Gerald



On 11/1/2020 1:15 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

I had this issue before with earlier versions of Thunderbird and I can't remember how to or if there is a solution.  I have the latest Thunderbird 78.3x or something (just upgraded today.)  The quick key folder navigation works but when you close and then reopen the program it doesn't work again.  You have to go back into the add on manager and enable it again.  I uninstalled and reinstalled the add on, but still no solution.

What is the solution if any?  Thanks for any help.


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Looking for a laptop replacement

Mary Smith
 

Hi everyone, I'd like to clarify something for the list. The device I'd like to get doesn't necessarily have to be a laptop. I don't think I'd find a Windows machine that fits my requirements so I'm willing to consider other devices such as the ones I've stated previously. Example, chromebook or iPad.

On 2020-11-01 11:53 a.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 11:45 AM, Gene wrote:

There is also the option of using the built-in keyboard using desktop
layout with an external numpad
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Indeed.  But since the ongoing topic revolves around the acquisition of a new laptop, my advice would be to look only at models that have a full-sized keyboard including a number pad.  It saves a lot of headaches unless you desperately want one that's smaller than 15.6".

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Re: Looking for a laptop replacement

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 11:45 AM, Gene wrote:
There is also the option of using the built-in keyboard using desktop layout with an external numpad
-
Indeed.  But since the ongoing topic revolves around the acquisition of a new laptop, my advice would be to look only at models that have a full-sized keyboard including a number pad.  It saves a lot of headaches unless you desperately want one that's smaller than 15.6".
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Re: Looking for a laptop replacement

Gene
 

There is also the option of using the built-in keyboard using desktop layout with an external numpad. Some of them don't work with screen-readers so it would be a good idea to ask the list for recommendations.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Looking for a laptop replacement

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 02:01 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
The typing experience on a mechanical keyboard is far superior to the layouts on most laptops.-
Enes,

You'll get no argument from me there, and if the intention is to have a laptop as a substitute for a desktop, seldom used in carry-with mode, that's the easiest way to go.

But a missing key or two does not make much difference to me. There are variations galore in full-sized keyboards that you buy as external keyboards. My point is that if you have a number pad, and you wish to use the laptop with its own built-in keyboard, that makes the process for a screen reader user much easier if they're already accustomed to desktop keyboard layout.

And, I'll repeat, very few are missing anything of significance at all.

For myself, and myself alone, I see no point in buying a laptop and not at least learning how to use it with it's own built-in keyboard. Most will eventually have to do this, at one point or another, and the learning curve for the touch and reach and key locations on any new-to-you keyboard is pretty much the same. I have had scads of clients who use only desktops, only laptops with the laptop keyboard, and laptops with an external keyboard. But I do encourage those in the third category to make certain that they can use the built-in, if forced by circumstance. But there's no reason to avoid an external keyboard if you prefer it for the majority of your use.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On

Gene
 

I suppose there is a Thunderbird log. Can users understand it and send relevant information or the entire log, if necessary?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2020 10:30 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 11:25 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
I even contacted the author of the addon but he was not able to duplicate the problem.-
Which is a major issue, both for users and the software's author. You really can't fix what you can't replicate.

The above being said, this is one of the reasons I always tell individuals to log bug reports, whether or not there is a short-term fix from same. If you're a developer and get one report, you can write it off as an aberration. If you keep getting report after report of the same issue, you can't.

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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Re: Looking for a laptop replacement

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 02:01 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
The typing experience on a mechanical keyboard is far superior to the layouts on most laptops.
-
Enes,

           You'll get no argument from me there, and if the intention is to have a laptop as a substitute for a desktop, seldom used in carry-with mode, that's the easiest way to go.

           But a missing key or two does not make much difference to me.  There are variations galore in full-sized keyboards that you buy as external keyboards.  My point is that if you have a number pad, and you wish to use the laptop with its own built-in keyboard, that makes the process for a screen reader user much easier if they're already accustomed to desktop keyboard layout.

            And, I'll repeat, very few are missing anything of significance at all.  

            For myself, and myself alone, I see no point in buying a laptop and not at least learning how to use it with it's own built-in keyboard.  Most will eventually have to do this, at one point or another, and the learning curve for the touch and reach and key locations on any new-to-you keyboard is pretty much the same.  I have had scads of clients who use only desktops, only laptops with the laptop keyboard, and laptops with an external keyboard.  But I do encourage those in the third category to make certain that they can use the built-in, if forced by circumstance.  But there's no reason to avoid an external keyboard if you prefer it for the majority of your use.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 11:25 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
I even contacted the author of the addon but he was not able to duplicate the problem.
-
Which is a major issue, both for users and the software's author.  You really can't fix what you can't replicate.

The above being said, this is one of the reasons I always tell individuals to log bug reports, whether or not there is a short-term fix from same.  If you're a developer and get one report, you can write it off as an aberration. If you keep getting report after report of the same issue, you can't.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

I have also experienced inconsistent behavior with the Quick Folder Key Navigation addon. Once I switched to version 3 of this addon I could not get the addon to function once I closed and restarted Thunderbird. I even removed and reinstalled the addon but this did not fix the problem. I even contacted the author of the addon but he was not able to duplicate the problem. Once a new Thunderbird update was downloaded the addon seemed to function inconsistently but then shortly after the update was installed it began to function consistently and worked every time I started Thunderbird. However, a subsequent update broke this consistency and now the addon once again stops functioning as soon as Thunderbird has closed and then restarted. I then have to disable and enable the addon in order for it to function but it only does so during the current session.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 11/1/2020 10:56 AM, Gene wrote:
The check box is checked by default, whatever it does.  It has always been enabled for my installation.  I don't know what may cause differences but this appears to be a widespread enough problem that many people have it. I've seen it discussed on a number of lists.

Gene
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2020 9:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On

I said this to Gene privately recently, but since it's come up here, I do not have this problem, many other people I know do not have this problem with the latest versions of Thunderbird and the Quick Folder Key Navigation Add-On.

When I open the Thunderbird Add-Ons manager and hit the triple-dot menu button for Quick Folder Key Navigation and go to its options, I do see something "odd" that I can't explain why it's this way, but it's worth checking.  There are two checkboxes in the Options, one clearly labeled, "Enable Mail-folder key navigation," along with a second, unlabeled checkbox that is checked.  I have no idea if something will be announced beyond "checkbox" for that second checkbox, but mine's checked and the issue described with constant need to disable/reenable is not occurring, and that's over a long period now.

The description in the add-on manager also goes into further detail than it once did, and I'll put the text here for easier review:
General Description: This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular folder in the folder pane simply by typing the first few letters of the folder name when the folder pane has focus. Note that single-letter Thunderbird short-cuts (such as "p" and "n" for moving to the previous and next unread message respectively) do not work in the folder pane when key navigation is enabled. Therefore, There is an option to turn key navigation on/off, as well as for adding this option to the context menu when the folder pane has focus.
Details: This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular folder in the folder pane simply by typing the first few letters of the folder name when the folder pane has focus. Note that single-letter Thunderbird short-cuts (such as the short-cuts for moving to the next and previous unread message) do not work in the folder pane when key navigation is enabled. Therefore, There is an option to turn key navigation on/off, as well as for adding this item to the "Go" menu.

Homepage https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fhartag%2Fkeynav&;amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6b7a809b5cee4631cc6708d87e7ea99e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637398429760250352%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=2J51XwHebPov9WnUJ36mqSIXjGgJ8lBJVQVliSaurIc%3D&amp;reserved=0


Re: Properties show two disk sizes

Gene
 

The question raises a more basic question. How are you reading the columns? They all have explanatory text that is read. If you don't hear the text read, the question is why?

Gene

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Re: Looking for a laptop replacement

Marie
 

Need to change the subject on this.
I almost missed this discussion.
Thanks, Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 9:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Looking for a laptop replacement

I have had computers at home for about 25 years.
The majority of them have had amdprocessors.l
I have used screen magnification and screen readers withthese computers.
I cannot recall one time where a particular processor caused a problem with my assistive software, operating system or applications.
Other persons' experience may be different.
I think it is very much a question of personal preference.
Do you prefer coke or pepsi?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: October 31, 2020 9:48 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Looking for a laptop replacement

Can anyone speak to the differences between AMD and Intel? Is Intel still better, or is that just my own bias?--Joe

On 10/31/20, Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com> wrote:
This is the reason why I don't like laptops smaller than 15.6 most of
the time.

On 10/31/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 02:58 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:


The majority of laptops 15 inch now have done away with number pads
-
Enes, I'm sorry, but this is very simply wrong. I was literally
walking through a WalMart computer section at the time you must have
sent this as I was doing other shopping and I occasionally check
what's on the shelf.
Every single 15.6-inch laptop there had a full keyboard.

If you search Amazon for a 15.6 laptop, almost all have full keyboards.
There are a smattering that don't, but they're a small minority.

It's been that way for a very long time now. As soon as you get
smaller than a 15.6, you can count on not having a full-sized
built-in keyboard, and if you go with 15.6 or larger you can almost
certainly count on having a full-sized built-in keyboard. And I
doubt that this will change much, at all, going forward.

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rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and
on.*

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Re: Properties show two disk sizes

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Mike & Fanus,

That's exactly what they are, and the first figure is (provided column order has not been rearranged from default) total size and the second free space.

When I'm using NVDA it announces what the number is (e.g., Total size) before the value is announced.
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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Re: Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 10:56 AM, Gene wrote:
this appears to be a widespread enough problem that many people have it.
-
I won't deny that.  But the fact that many don't suggests strongly, as is true in so many instances, that it is something idiosyncratic to the machines in question rather than a global (as in everyone has it) bug.  But the degree to which folks do have it also suggests that whatever the root cause is, it's not exactly rare, either.

Worth mentioning on the developer's GitHub page if you are so affected.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On

Gene
 

The check box is checked by default, whatever it does. It has always been enabled for my installation. I don't know what may cause differences but this appears to be a widespread enough problem that many people have it. I've seen it discussed on a number of lists.

Gene
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2020 9:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On

I said this to Gene privately recently, but since it's come up here, I do not have this problem, many other people I know do not have this problem with the latest versions of Thunderbird and the Quick Folder Key Navigation Add-On.

When I open the Thunderbird Add-Ons manager and hit the triple-dot menu button for Quick Folder Key Navigation and go to its options, I do see something "odd" that I can't explain why it's this way, but it's worth checking. There are two checkboxes in the Options, one clearly labeled, "Enable Mail-folder key navigation," along with a second, unlabeled checkbox that is checked. I have no idea if something will be announced beyond "checkbox" for that second checkbox, but mine's checked and the issue described with constant need to disable/reenable is not occurring, and that's over a long period now.

The description in the add-on manager also goes into further detail than it once did, and I'll put the text here for easier review:
General Description: This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular folder in the folder pane simply by typing the first few letters of the folder name when the folder pane has focus. Note that single-letter Thunderbird short-cuts (such as "p" and "n" for moving to the previous and next unread message respectively) do not work in the folder pane when key navigation is enabled. Therefore, There is an option to turn key navigation on/off, as well as for adding this option to the context menu when the folder pane has focus.
Details: This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular folder in the folder pane simply by typing the first few letters of the folder name when the folder pane has focus. Note that single-letter Thunderbird short-cuts (such as the short-cuts for moving to the next and previous unread message) do not work in the folder pane when key navigation is enabled. Therefore, There is an option to turn key navigation on/off, as well as for adding this item to the "Go" menu.

Homepage https://github.com/hartag/keynav
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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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anyone using nfl gamepass

tony
 

noticed last few weeks only 1 listen button is present for each game
there used to be a home button and an away button


Re: Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I said this to Gene privately recently, but since it's come up here, I do not have this problem, many other people I know do not have this problem with the latest versions of Thunderbird and the Quick Folder Key Navigation Add-On.

When I open the Thunderbird Add-Ons manager and hit the triple-dot menu button for Quick Folder Key Navigation and go to its options, I do see something "odd" that I can't explain why it's this way, but it's worth checking.  There are two checkboxes in the Options, one clearly labeled, "Enable Mail-folder key navigation," along with a second, unlabeled checkbox that is checked.  I have no idea if something will be announced beyond "checkbox" for that second checkbox, but mine's checked and the issue described with constant need to disable/reenable is not occurring, and that's over a long period now.

The description in the add-on manager also goes into further detail than it once did, and I'll put the text here for easier review:
General Description: This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular folder in the folder pane simply by typing the first few letters of the folder name when the folder pane has focus. Note that single-letter Thunderbird short-cuts (such as "p" and "n" for moving to the previous and next unread message respectively) do not work in the folder pane when key navigation is enabled. Therefore, There is an option to turn key navigation on/off, as well as for adding this option to the context menu when the folder pane has focus.
Details: This extension makes it possible to quickly navigate to a particular folder in the folder pane simply by typing the first few letters of the folder name when the folder pane has focus. Note that single-letter Thunderbird short-cuts (such as the short-cuts for moving to the next and previous unread message) do not work in the folder pane when key navigation is enabled. Therefore, There is an option to turn key navigation on/off, as well as for adding this item to the "Go" menu.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On

Gene
 

Some sort of work was done to make it compatible. We don't know what will happen in the future but you have no grounds to have a pessimistic attitude. It may well be that the add-on is kept up-to-date. And if it stops working, as I've said before, why do you need to use the latest version of Thunderbird in the first place? Will someone please give me one example, from personal experience, of anyone being infected by opening an e-mail while using an older or old program like Windows Live Mail, Outlook Express, or an old version of Thunderbird? I'm not talking about opening attachments. I'm talking about opening a message. I don't recall hearing about one in so many years that I don't know when or if I heard about it happening.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2020 6:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Issue With Thunderbird latest upgrade and Quick Folder Key Navigation Add On






Yes, it is "compatible". But this does not necessarily mean that it will work 100%. I don't think the developer of Quick Key Folder Navigation has updated it in a long time, and although you can get it to work by re-enabling it every time you open Thunderbird, there is no guarantee that it won't stop working altogether in the future, as was the case withthe previously mentioned blind-friendly Firefox add-ons.




Gerald








On 11/1/2020 7:03 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Gerald,

When I search for this add on, I get the message that it is compatible with version 78.4: go figure.



On 11/1/2020 6:31 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:





I don't think there is a solution. I'm still running Thunderbird 68.1.21, and have the same problem. As with Firefox, Mozilla now scrutinizes all third-party add-ons for Thunderbird to ensure that they adhere to strict protocols , and so there is no guarantee that Quick Key Folder Navigation will continue to work in subsequent updates to Thunderbird, because its developer may simply give up trying to keep it up to date. This is what happened with Firefox. Blind-friendly add-ons like Webvisum and Navigational Sounds have been blocked from the latest versions of Firefox, and their developers have abandoned them. The same thing may happen to Quick Key Folder Navigation, if it hasn't already, which may explain why it still works, but only partially.




Gerald








On 11/1/2020 1:15 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

I had this issue before with earlier versions of Thunderbird and I can't remember how to or if there is a solution. I have the latest Thunderbird 78.3x or something (just upgraded today.) The quick key folder navigation works but when you close and then reopen the program it doesn't work again. You have to go back into the add on manager and enable it again. I uninstalled and reinstalled the add on, but still no solution.

What is the solution if any? Thanks for any help.


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