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Re: laptop

John Holcomb II
 

So I could put Linux?

Maybe X Ubuntu?

Would this tdistro even  support32-bit legacy hardwhere like this?

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 10:25 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop

 

You are running a machine series that I used to own. Its only 100mbps ethernet port lol...

 

I got a lower end machine, without those serial ports, still got a DVD burner, 8gb of ram (I max it out already), I upgraded 256gb to 640gb harddrive.

Its running windows 7 though.

Works fine, I can surf net on it which its the only thing I does with it.

Even if I would get the latest OS, I will not run windows 10 on it. too much work to get the driver to get going. I done once, last year on one of the computer in the office. 

in the end, i load up linux on it and put whatever gui for the user to use it as the day to day processing unit. still alive as we speak.

 

Too much limitation to get an old machine to work.

 

If you don't want, run a NAS on it. linux base, and you can put multiple drives on them external or internal and you can put on the network for file sharing. i done for a customer previously.

if it die, thats all it can do. surfing net will be a pain. you can listen to music on it, watch youtube... simple stuff. opening document, edit a few page but if you want to to do more, then it will be too slow.


Regards,
Thomas N. Chan

 

 

On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 22:12, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:

Lmao um. Yeah back then.

Core duo, 4GB of DDR2 ram. (it had 2GB and I upgraded it to the fastest speed possible and the most amount it’d support in 2011.

WiFi g

DVD-RW

Still has a 56K modem and parallel port! Serial too if I’m remembering correctly.

Has ethernet (though I’m not sure if its 10, 100 or 1000.

It’s a Dell Inspirine E-1705

I actually replaced the still working original 80GB SATA 2 drive with an SATA-based SSD that I believe is 200 GB and tried to put Windows 10 on it.

No go.

I’d love to put a lightweight OS on it but not sure what or how.

All of the hardware works perfectly!

If you’ve got any ideas, let me know!

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 4:52 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop

 

Good machine.



Regards,
Thomas N. Chan

 

 

On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 10:52, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:

Hey there,

I have a laptop from 2006 which started off with XP and then I  put 7 on it.

The hardwhere still works! But 10 won’t run on it.

The only thing I could possibly do is  put Linux on it.

But the Linux would have to support 32-bit.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] laptop

 

Hi, my first laptop a satellite a 300 toshiba lasted for 6 years, then my mom had it for another 4 years, running windows xp or vista. I think. And second machine, lasted almost 5 years, and was windows 7 pro 64 bit with a dvd drive. Gave it to a friend, who is a sighted programmer, and then he put in a new ssd for his mom,  windows 10. Now had to get a new Samsung external ssd drive 500 gb, as my 1 tb Toshiba external  drive, was about to die. Able to copy all files from that. And so got a new assus vivo book with a ssd. First time using that and yes, takes about 30 secs to power up and hear the windows chime and the login screen with jaws. Do have 8 gb ram, do have a spare 8 gb two spare 4 gb slots. Could have used 16 gb, when doing my network course and ran out of memory for running multiple virtual machines. And like to get a new laptop every 6 to 7 years or 5 years. So had this assus a couple of years. Thanks.

Ps: I 3 7 dual quad or quad core, up to 8cores. 2.3 ghz processor, 8 gb ram, 500 gb ssd. One usb 3, two usb 2 ports. 15.inch passive colour I think, or maybe active colour. Not sure. Standard keyboard, built in web cam, mike. Surround sound and using the real tech surround sound app. Two speakers. No card reader.

A good machine.

Excellent sound. And do have windows 10 pro 64 bit, it came with windows 10 home 64 bit 1809. So upgraded it a few times.

Marvin. .


Re: laptop

Loy
 


When I got  my laptop without a DVD drive, I purchased one and keep it in my laptop case to use when I need it. This was last May and so far I haven't had a need to use it.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop

Is this true?  That’s not something I would be happy about.  Pam.
 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:43 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] laptop
 

Hi. I would get 16 gb or 32 gb if you can afford it. Try a 1 or 2 tb ssd. And maybe get a 1 or 2 tb ssd external drive. You cannot get a dvd drive built in any more. Hp, Lenovo, assus, del, acer, sells only laptops with no dvd or cd drive. But most people just download if they have a fast stable internet connection.

Also got jaws 2012, latest nvda.

Marvin.

Ps: saw on another list a 4 tb normal external drive, seegate  $107.

Marvin.


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: laptop

Thomas N. Chan
 

You are running a machine series that I used to own. Its only 100mbps ethernet port lol...

I got a lower end machine, without those serial ports, still got a DVD burner, 8gb of ram (I max it out already), I upgraded 256gb to 640gb harddrive.
Its running windows 7 though.
Works fine, I can surf net on it which its the only thing I does with it.
Even if I would get the latest OS, I will not run windows 10 on it. too much work to get the driver to get going. I done once, last year on one of the computer in the office. 
in the end, i load up linux on it and put whatever gui for the user to use it as the day to day processing unit. still alive as we speak.

Too much limitation to get an old machine to work.

If you don't want, run a NAS on it. linux base, and you can put multiple drives on them external or internal and you can put on the network for file sharing. i done for a customer previously.
if it die, thats all it can do. surfing net will be a pain. you can listen to music on it, watch youtube... simple stuff. opening document, edit a few page but if you want to to do more, then it will be too slow.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 22:12, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:

Lmao um. Yeah back then.

Core duo, 4GB of DDR2 ram. (it had 2GB and I upgraded it to the fastest speed possible and the most amount it’d support in 2011.

WiFi g

DVD-RW

Still has a 56K modem and parallel port! Serial too if I’m remembering correctly.

Has ethernet (though I’m not sure if its 10, 100 or 1000.

It’s a Dell Inspirine E-1705

I actually replaced the still working original 80GB SATA 2 drive with an SATA-based SSD that I believe is 200 GB and tried to put Windows 10 on it.

No go.

I’d love to put a lightweight OS on it but not sure what or how.

All of the hardware works perfectly!

If you’ve got any ideas, let me know!

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 4:52 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop

 

Good machine.



Regards,
Thomas N. Chan

 

 

On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 10:52, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:

Hey there,

I have a laptop from 2006 which started off with XP and then I  put 7 on it.

The hardwhere still works! But 10 won’t run on it.

The only thing I could possibly do is  put Linux on it.

But the Linux would have to support 32-bit.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] laptop

 

Hi, my first laptop a satellite a 300 toshiba lasted for 6 years, then my mom had it for another 4 years, running windows xp or vista. I think. And second machine, lasted almost 5 years, and was windows 7 pro 64 bit with a dvd drive. Gave it to a friend, who is a sighted programmer, and then he put in a new ssd for his mom,  windows 10. Now had to get a new Samsung external ssd drive 500 gb, as my 1 tb Toshiba external  drive, was about to die. Able to copy all files from that. And so got a new assus vivo book with a ssd. First time using that and yes, takes about 30 secs to power up and hear the windows chime and the login screen with jaws. Do have 8 gb ram, do have a spare 8 gb two spare 4 gb slots. Could have used 16 gb, when doing my network course and ran out of memory for running multiple virtual machines. And like to get a new laptop every 6 to 7 years or 5 years. So had this assus a couple of years. Thanks.

Ps: I 3 7 dual quad or quad core, up to 8cores. 2.3 ghz processor, 8 gb ram, 500 gb ssd. One usb 3, two usb 2 ports. 15.inch passive colour I think, or maybe active colour. Not sure. Standard keyboard, built in web cam, mike. Surround sound and using the real tech surround sound app. Two speakers. No card reader.

A good machine.

Excellent sound. And do have windows 10 pro 64 bit, it came with windows 10 home 64 bit 1809. So upgraded it a few times.

Marvin. .


Re: laptop

Loy
 


That is true, however if you really need a CD/DVD drive you can purchase one for about $20 and attached by USB.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop

Is this true?  That’s not something I would be happy about.  Pam.
 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:43 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] laptop
 

Hi. I would get 16 gb or 32 gb if you can afford it. Try a 1 or 2 tb ssd. And maybe get a 1 or 2 tb ssd external drive. You cannot get a dvd drive built in any more. Hp, Lenovo, assus, del, acer, sells only laptops with no dvd or cd drive. But most people just download if they have a fast stable internet connection.

Also got jaws 2012, latest nvda.

Marvin.

Ps: saw on another list a 4 tb normal external drive, seegate  $107.

Marvin.


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

John Holcomb II
 

My most powerful box which I use constantly,
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6950X CPU @ 3.00GHz, 3001 Mhz, 10 Core(s), 20 Logical Processor(s)
Ram is 64GB
Its an Asus Thabertooth X99 MoBo.
Right now I'm on Windows 7 and with all of the stuff running I've got only 52 GB ram available to the system.
Yeah. I tend to keep things open and ready to go for when I need to get to them.
Lol, my processor hovers between 0 and 1% utilization.
I plan to keep this running for a long long time.
I'm sure I'll get at least 10 year out of it.
I'll be upgrading the hard drive once I go to Windows 10 to a MvME 2 based SSD.
Samsung drive all the way.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 5:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

And you see the people not doing the extra hundred dollars complaining about stuttering audio, slow boots, hard drive and OS crashes and general issues. Seriously buying a high quality pc, E.G, an R7/9, 16-32 gb ram, samsung SSD is one of the best quality investments youv can make, and you probably could use it 6-7 years, because my 8 core processor likely will stay current for at least that long.

On 4/19/2021 3:22 AM, chris judge wrote:
Well, I usually allow myself a new PC every five years or so whether I need it or not. I'll never have to worry about the expense of owning a vehicle. I use my PC constantly for work and pleasure and the sake of a few hundred dollars really doesn't make much difference to me, so I usually tend to go a bit high end.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

32 also makes a difference on extremely high core machines.

On 4/18/2021 6:12 PM, chris judge wrote:
I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both and in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it. If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is having 10 more unused GB going to matter? If you have a race car or a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70 miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as I
have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second! With my desktop
with
2 TBS HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than 256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives. It is evidently incorrect to refer to
them as digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days. It is called octane memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb
if budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write
capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to
worry too much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are
just some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On
Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual
channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even
if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and
endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel
or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On
Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting,
so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use
music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good
player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary
player, and have been using virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on
my new computer.[Jim















































Re: laptop

Pamela Dominguez
 

Is this true?  That’s not something I would be happy about.  Pam.
 

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:43 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] laptop
 

Hi. I would get 16 gb or 32 gb if you can afford it. Try a 1 or 2 tb ssd. And maybe get a 1 or 2 tb ssd external drive. You cannot get a dvd drive built in any more. Hp, Lenovo, assus, del, acer, sells only laptops with no dvd or cd drive. But most people just download if they have a fast stable internet connection.

Also got jaws 2012, latest nvda.

Marvin.

Ps: saw on another list a 4 tb normal external drive, seegate  $107.

Marvin.


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Thomas N. Chan
 

If you get a good external soundcard, you got a mid range or low end headphones or speaker, what's the different in the end?
So long our screen reader can send data across to it, a lot of blind people are not train to listen to them anyway.
Even the 3d audio, all just done by emulation. The software technology behind them. You only notice the differences if you are trainthe to do so.
You can notice lousy soundcard if you have multiple audio playing at the same time, like 10 or more. but who does that.
We already using a screen reader.
Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 22:06, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:

Here’s the thing too.

I remember reading this somewhere, and have no idea where or when.

But comparing how Windows 7 uses  RAM and how Windows 10 is different,   if I’m not mistaken.

Windows 10 will know you have more RAM and utilize it more efficiently.

I don’t remember the details or how though.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 4:48 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

 

Hi Gene,

Your analogy comparison with ram and a car is so much different.

For a start, car will not have memory leak, they will have oil leak, they will break down in regards if the engine is a high power one vs a smaller build ones.

I don't think you even understand how virtual memory works and even ram. 

For windows point of view, you open a program, when is sitting there for a while, does not mean it will be push down to virtual memory. It will eventually whether you like it or not.

Especially for SSD harddrive, windows and a lot of OS all got this kind of capability. to prevent more read and write on them. so they eventually store more on the ram. 

It will still store some on the harddrive for caching and performance purposes. in fact, to prepare for program to take up the ram.

If you open a big program or program which require more ram, even browsing like chrome, it will take up resources. 

You can't compare like last time or 20 years ago, is all depend how much the html files, you need how much ram. is already out of date. The browser will triggle extension or plugins, and the browser will load it up. if you open another tab or windows, it will load another set of same thing, it will not share due to, security and privacy. so the same browser will open a lot of resources itself. it will not be just one extension or one executable. 

In windows 10 itself, for performance purposes, its always good to have more than 8gb because we are using screen reader. Its so unfair when you expect the user to buy the minimum specifications, and windows will keep read and write because you think opening a document, browsing on the net will not matter to 8gb?

 

I don't need to give you KB article, or online stuff to prove my concept because i manage computer system and server in corporate  environment , where people only use document, browse the web app and just printing stuff out. with the 16gb ram with the same  workload, windows load faster, document load faster, browsing is more efficient.

 

If the original list member can afford it, why stop it eventually?

 

I am sure a lot of us, like Chris is very knowledgeable in that area and base on experience itself.

 

 


Re: laptop

John Holcomb II
 

Lmao um. Yeah back then.

Core duo, 4GB of DDR2 ram. (it had 2GB and I upgraded it to the fastest speed possible and the most amount it’d support in 2011.

WiFi g

DVD-RW

Still has a 56K modem and parallel port! Serial too if I’m remembering correctly.

Has ethernet (though I’m not sure if its 10, 100 or 1000.

It’s a Dell Inspirine E-1705

I actually replaced the still working original 80GB SATA 2 drive with an SATA-based SSD that I believe is 200 GB and tried to put Windows 10 on it.

No go.

I’d love to put a lightweight OS on it but not sure what or how.

All of the hardware works perfectly!

If you’ve got any ideas, let me know!

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 4:52 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop

 

Good machine.



Regards,
Thomas N. Chan

 

 

On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 10:52, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:

Hey there,

I have a laptop from 2006 which started off with XP and then I  put 7 on it.

The hardwhere still works! But 10 won’t run on it.

The only thing I could possibly do is  put Linux on it.

But the Linux would have to support 32-bit.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] laptop

 

Hi, my first laptop a satellite a 300 toshiba lasted for 6 years, then my mom had it for another 4 years, running windows xp or vista. I think. And second machine, lasted almost 5 years, and was windows 7 pro 64 bit with a dvd drive. Gave it to a friend, who is a sighted programmer, and then he put in a new ssd for his mom,  windows 10. Now had to get a new Samsung external ssd drive 500 gb, as my 1 tb Toshiba external  drive, was about to die. Able to copy all files from that. And so got a new assus vivo book with a ssd. First time using that and yes, takes about 30 secs to power up and hear the windows chime and the login screen with jaws. Do have 8 gb ram, do have a spare 8 gb two spare 4 gb slots. Could have used 16 gb, when doing my network course and ran out of memory for running multiple virtual machines. And like to get a new laptop every 6 to 7 years or 5 years. So had this assus a couple of years. Thanks.

Ps: I 3 7 dual quad or quad core, up to 8cores. 2.3 ghz processor, 8 gb ram, 500 gb ssd. One usb 3, two usb 2 ports. 15.inch passive colour I think, or maybe active colour. Not sure. Standard keyboard, built in web cam, mike. Surround sound and using the real tech surround sound app. Two speakers. No card reader.

A good machine.

Excellent sound. And do have windows 10 pro 64 bit, it came with windows 10 home 64 bit 1809. So upgraded it a few times.

Marvin. .


Re: internal s s ds

Thomas N. Chan
 

How nice I can customise the laptop.
You can change harddrive capacity, add ram, you can just ask them to add ports or add more graphic card or something.
Thank God, there's external graphic card, external USB C hub which can do a lot of things.

I wish I can find more than desktop customisation.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 22:02, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:

And if you have money, custom built you can’t beat that.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 3:59 AM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] internal s s ds

 

I was  just looking on the amazon Canada website.

Under a search for 512 gig s s d drives,  I found brand name drives by names like Crucial and Kingston for  seventy to eighty  Canadian dollars.

That would be about    60 to 65 in u s dollars.

So if I were putting a new p c together,  I would get the 512  and someone with a bit more cash would get the 1 tb!

 

A good brand name 4 tb usb external drive now sells for about 110 u s dollars.

That’s about 3 cents a gig.

And ram prices are  equally affordable.

 

The newer releases of the high en processors,  are still the most expensive part of a pc.

 

Of course, you can spend a couple hundred bucks on a nice case;  and the same goes for  a mobo,  or you can be totally  content spending 50 bucks on each.

 

But, you can skip all the shopping and fussing and buy a brand name machine.

If you can afford it,  get a model that is not the very cheapest.

As the  teacher said to the inattentive student,  you have choices.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Monte


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

John Holcomb II
 

Here’s the thing too.

I remember reading this somewhere, and have no idea where or when.

But comparing how Windows 7 uses  RAM and how Windows 10 is different,   if I’m not mistaken.

Windows 10 will know you have more RAM and utilize it more efficiently.

I don’t remember the details or how though.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 4:48 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

 

Hi Gene,

Your analogy comparison with ram and a car is so much different.

For a start, car will not have memory leak, they will have oil leak, they will break down in regards if the engine is a high power one vs a smaller build ones.

I don't think you even understand how virtual memory works and even ram. 

For windows point of view, you open a program, when is sitting there for a while, does not mean it will be push down to virtual memory. It will eventually whether you like it or not.

Especially for SSD harddrive, windows and a lot of OS all got this kind of capability. to prevent more read and write on them. so they eventually store more on the ram. 

It will still store some on the harddrive for caching and performance purposes. in fact, to prepare for program to take up the ram.

If you open a big program or program which require more ram, even browsing like chrome, it will take up resources. 

You can't compare like last time or 20 years ago, is all depend how much the html files, you need how much ram. is already out of date. The browser will triggle extension or plugins, and the browser will load it up. if you open another tab or windows, it will load another set of same thing, it will not share due to, security and privacy. so the same browser will open a lot of resources itself. it will not be just one extension or one executable. 

In windows 10 itself, for performance purposes, its always good to have more than 8gb because we are using screen reader. Its so unfair when you expect the user to buy the minimum specifications, and windows will keep read and write because you think opening a document, browsing on the net will not matter to 8gb?

 

I don't need to give you KB article, or online stuff to prove my concept because i manage computer system and server in corporate  environment , where people only use document, browse the web app and just printing stuff out. with the 16gb ram with the same  workload, windows load faster, document load faster, browsing is more efficient.

 

If the original list member can afford it, why stop it eventually?

 

I am sure a lot of us, like Chris is very knowledgeable in that area and base on experience itself.

 

 


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

John Holcomb II
 

I completely agree with you on this point!
I don't know of one other blind user who even streams lossless audio.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 4:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

The average blind user, could probably not tell the difference between a 20 or a 200 dollar sound card.
If the user were doing some audio editing that required above average specs, that could be different.
...and that is definitely not the average user, blind or otherwise.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 11:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I would think they would. The DACs on newer pcs are terrible quality.
Speech or music could sound clearer. But laptops come with crappy dacs they don't even use soundcards.

On 4/18/2021 11:28 PM, Monte Single wrote:
YHes,

I know why different people use different graphics cards?chips.
I was using it as an example of how the price of a computer can be dramaticly increased with the addition of 1 different component.
The average blind user woujld not appreciate the addition of a high-end sound card either.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

You could, but a midrange graphics card is ok. Blind people have little to no use for graphics.

On 4/18/2021 12:14 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Heck, you could spend an extra thousand dollars just by getting high end video and processor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt programs are getting that much bigger. Since I haven't seen this elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal more verification. And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies getting more than 8GB for the average user. You can add this expense and that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the larger drives are faster, does that matter? What are we talking about, perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program? and can you document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters?
Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb
if budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write
capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to
worry too much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are
just some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On
Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual
channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even
if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and
endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel
or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On
Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting,
so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use
music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good
player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary
player, and have been using virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on
my new computer.[Jim






















Re: internal s s ds

John Holcomb II
 

And if you have money, custom built you can’t beat that.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 3:59 AM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] internal s s ds

 

I was  just looking on the amazon Canada website.

Under a search for 512 gig s s d drives,  I found brand name drives by names like Crucial and Kingston for  seventy to eighty  Canadian dollars.

That would be about    60 to 65 in u s dollars.

So if I were putting a new p c together,  I would get the 512  and someone with a bit more cash would get the 1 tb!

 

A good brand name 4 tb usb external drive now sells for about 110 u s dollars.

That’s about 3 cents a gig.

And ram prices are  equally affordable.

 

The newer releases of the high en processors,  are still the most expensive part of a pc.

 

Of course, you can spend a couple hundred bucks on a nice case;  and the same goes for  a mobo,  or you can be totally  content spending 50 bucks on each.

 

But, you can skip all the shopping and fussing and buy a brand name machine.

If you can afford it,  get a model that is not the very cheapest.

As the  teacher said to the inattentive student,  you have choices.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Monte


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

John Holcomb II
 

I don't know of blind people who would know the difference.
Hell most of them I know use BT headphones and those are god only know which version. But not even v version 5, and most are A2BT
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 1:27 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I would think they would. The DACs on newer pcs are terrible quality.
Speech or music could sound clearer. But laptops come with crappy dacs they don't even use soundcards.

On 4/18/2021 11:28 PM, Monte Single wrote:
YHes,

I know why different people use different graphics cards?chips.
I was using it as an example of how the price of a computer can be dramaticly increased with the addition of 1 different component.
The average blind user woujld not appreciate the addition of a high-end sound card either.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

You could, but a midrange graphics card is ok. Blind people have little to no use for graphics.

On 4/18/2021 12:14 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Heck, you could spend an extra thousand dollars just by getting high end video and processor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt programs are getting that much bigger. Since I haven't seen this elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal more verification. And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies getting more than 8GB for the average user. You can add this expense and that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the larger drives are faster, does that matter? What are we talking about, perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program? and can you document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters?
Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb
if budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write
capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to
worry too much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are
just some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On
Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual
channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even
if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and
endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel
or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On
Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting,
so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use
music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good
player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary
player, and have been using virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on
my new computer.[Jim






















Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Thomas N. Chan
 

CPU comes first as it will need to calculate CRC check, not harddrive. Of course, there's must be that  algorithm to read from the drives. but the calculation is the CPU doing the job. Decompressing of files might be the harddrive to you, but without all these binary, the files might not be compete or check if corruption has occur.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 17:55, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

But the SSD copies and replaces update files faster, as well as the decompression of the msu file.

On 4/19/2021 1:48 AM, Thomas N. Chan wrote:
Thats where harddrive does not matter in terms of downloading and installing updates.
That's the comparison of the CPU and the ram involve. and the motherboard capability.
Store data is send from the motherboard to the ram, then the CPU will decompress and do the CRC check. Of course, during that time, harddrive is still doing the job or sending the data across and also caching and so on.
If the harddrive is fast, all these will be even more efficient.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 13:53, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I haven't followed developments in SSDs or the price of RAM for quite some
time.  I had strong opinions about price in terms of people not spending
more than they need to unless they actually want to.  But in light of the
discussion, I have changed my opinions about 16 versus 8gb of RAM unless new
information comes up.  The price difference may be small enough that it
doesn't matter much unless someone is on a very tight budget.  While I still
doubt that for the typical user the speed difference means muchh, I don't
think it matters much for a lot of users what they get.

Regarding SSDs it appears from what John said that they are so common now
that that is what people are likely to get anyway and again, while I haven't
compared prices of computers, it may not matter much in terms of price
anymore, though again, someone on a tight budget may want to look into the
question and ask about it here as a part of that.

I hope the discussion was interesting and will help people in deciding what
they want.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

If that's the case, then worrying about getting an SSD may not matter much
for a lot of people.

The discussion may have helped people think about whether they want the size
SSD that comes in the machine.  There is also the option of getting whatever
size is included and using a USB exgternal drive for extra storage.  I don't
know about price comparisons between getting a higher capacity SSD drive and
an external USB one.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Those who really watch money go with the SSD and the lessor of the ram with
a Core i5.
Its going to be hard to find a PC without an SSD at this point anyway.
Especially if  new is your jam.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yes, I knew we were discussing 16GB but for some reason, I wasn't thinking
about it correctly.  That may mean that the price difference might be
between thirty and fourty-five dollars.  That isn't that much money so for a
lot of people, it might not matter.  I therefore will say that I was
objecting on the basis of thinking about the question incorrectly.

While I remain skeptical the difference matters to any extent to the average
user, the amount of money isn't much.  Those who really have to watch money
may want to not get the extra GB, however.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

It depends on who you buy it from.
Also I'm not sure which programs leak.
Geen, not 16 more GB. No.
We were saying that 8GB is good enough for most people but if you can afford
it having 16GB  or more is better.
Less cashing to the drive.
SSDS do have a limited read/write cycles.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 4:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I just looked at a few search results.  Are they reflective of current
prices?  They indicate that 16gb of RAM costs something like 93 or 98
dollars.  That's a lot of money to spend to avoid closing and reopening this
or that program a few hours earlier.

Is that the cost of adding RAM when you purchase a machine?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 2:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I think this needs more discussion.  How much does 16 more gb of memory
cost?  Why not just close programs now and then if they have memory leaks?
And what programs are known to have memory leaks that are popular and in
common use?

I don't see any general advice from computer advisors to get 16GB of RAM if
you are a typical user.  If you spend fifty dollars more, as I said, for
some people that isn't much money.  for others, it is a lot.  I don't think
such generalizations should be made without discussions of such points.
Let's say, for example, that a certain browser has a memory leak and that
using it for two or three hours can impair performance using 8GB of ram.  Is
it worth getting more RAM so you can keep it opened for 6 hours?  Why not
just close and reopen it every now and then?  Why not the same with other
programs?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 2:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



Hi Everyone,

Thomas says: 8gb is good but 16gb is even better. Memory leak, left over
chunk of program which its not cleanup by windows, that much of ram will
help the virtual files as well. If there's not much writing onto the
harddrive, your SSD or your harddrive will be even happier.



Janet says:

I agree with you one hundred percent!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:55 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





I would always say, what can the original request can afford.



8gb is good but 16gb is even better. Memory leak, left over chunk of program
which its not cleanup by windows, that much of ram will help the virtual
files as well. If there's not much writing onto the harddrive, your SSD or
your harddrive will be even happier.



If you open so many programs example, some of the older or initial or least
program will just be, push down to the virtual swap files.



Those running in the background, will have the similar  SOP.



More ram, is no big deal, so long is within your budget.







harddrive, is good if you can afford bigger ones. For me, I got 256GB SSD
back then, but I have upgraded to 1tb 2 years later. But of course, you need
to reinstall windows but for me, I just clone over.







The rest, I will not comment. But I do have an external USB 3 soundcard by
Creative. I can have multiple input, mic in, aux in and 5.1 output.



But thats an old model already . But 3.5mm jack speaker or sound card is
still around.













Regards,
Thomas N. Chan











On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 01:16, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:



Heck, you could spend an extra thousand dollars just by getting  high end
video and processor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt programs are getting that much bigger.  Since I haven't seen this
elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal
more verification.  And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies
getting more than 8GB for the average user.  You can add this expense and
that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred
dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the
larger drives are faster, does that matter?  What are we talking about,
perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program?  and can you
document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters?
Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the
computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for
RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more  write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say  a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself  doing anything more then  broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards  for one  thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my new
computer.[Jim
















































Re: if you were getting a new computer.

enes sarıbaş
 

But the SSD copies and replaces update files faster, as well as the decompression of the msu file.

On 4/19/2021 1:48 AM, Thomas N. Chan wrote:
Thats where harddrive does not matter in terms of downloading and installing updates.
That's the comparison of the CPU and the ram involve. and the motherboard capability.
Store data is send from the motherboard to the ram, then the CPU will decompress and do the CRC check. Of course, during that time, harddrive is still doing the job or sending the data across and also caching and so on.
If the harddrive is fast, all these will be even more efficient.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 13:53, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I haven't followed developments in SSDs or the price of RAM for quite some
time.  I had strong opinions about price in terms of people not spending
more than they need to unless they actually want to.  But in light of the
discussion, I have changed my opinions about 16 versus 8gb of RAM unless new
information comes up.  The price difference may be small enough that it
doesn't matter much unless someone is on a very tight budget.  While I still
doubt that for the typical user the speed difference means muchh, I don't
think it matters much for a lot of users what they get.

Regarding SSDs it appears from what John said that they are so common now
that that is what people are likely to get anyway and again, while I haven't
compared prices of computers, it may not matter much in terms of price
anymore, though again, someone on a tight budget may want to look into the
question and ask about it here as a part of that.

I hope the discussion was interesting and will help people in deciding what
they want.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

If that's the case, then worrying about getting an SSD may not matter much
for a lot of people.

The discussion may have helped people think about whether they want the size
SSD that comes in the machine.  There is also the option of getting whatever
size is included and using a USB exgternal drive for extra storage.  I don't
know about price comparisons between getting a higher capacity SSD drive and
an external USB one.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Those who really watch money go with the SSD and the lessor of the ram with
a Core i5.
Its going to be hard to find a PC without an SSD at this point anyway.
Especially if  new is your jam.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yes, I knew we were discussing 16GB but for some reason, I wasn't thinking
about it correctly.  That may mean that the price difference might be
between thirty and fourty-five dollars.  That isn't that much money so for a
lot of people, it might not matter.  I therefore will say that I was
objecting on the basis of thinking about the question incorrectly.

While I remain skeptical the difference matters to any extent to the average
user, the amount of money isn't much.  Those who really have to watch money
may want to not get the extra GB, however.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

It depends on who you buy it from.
Also I'm not sure which programs leak.
Geen, not 16 more GB. No.
We were saying that 8GB is good enough for most people but if you can afford
it having 16GB  or more is better.
Less cashing to the drive.
SSDS do have a limited read/write cycles.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 4:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I just looked at a few search results.  Are they reflective of current
prices?  They indicate that 16gb of RAM costs something like 93 or 98
dollars.  That's a lot of money to spend to avoid closing and reopening this
or that program a few hours earlier.

Is that the cost of adding RAM when you purchase a machine?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 2:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I think this needs more discussion.  How much does 16 more gb of memory
cost?  Why not just close programs now and then if they have memory leaks?
And what programs are known to have memory leaks that are popular and in
common use?

I don't see any general advice from computer advisors to get 16GB of RAM if
you are a typical user.  If you spend fifty dollars more, as I said, for
some people that isn't much money.  for others, it is a lot.  I don't think
such generalizations should be made without discussions of such points.
Let's say, for example, that a certain browser has a memory leak and that
using it for two or three hours can impair performance using 8GB of ram.  Is
it worth getting more RAM so you can keep it opened for 6 hours?  Why not
just close and reopen it every now and then?  Why not the same with other
programs?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 2:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



Hi Everyone,

Thomas says: 8gb is good but 16gb is even better. Memory leak, left over
chunk of program which its not cleanup by windows, that much of ram will
help the virtual files as well. If there's not much writing onto the
harddrive, your SSD or your harddrive will be even happier.



Janet says:

I agree with you one hundred percent!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:55 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





I would always say, what can the original request can afford.



8gb is good but 16gb is even better. Memory leak, left over chunk of program
which its not cleanup by windows, that much of ram will help the virtual
files as well. If there's not much writing onto the harddrive, your SSD or
your harddrive will be even happier.



If you open so many programs example, some of the older or initial or least
program will just be, push down to the virtual swap files.



Those running in the background, will have the similar  SOP.



More ram, is no big deal, so long is within your budget.







harddrive, is good if you can afford bigger ones. For me, I got 256GB SSD
back then, but I have upgraded to 1tb 2 years later. But of course, you need
to reinstall windows but for me, I just clone over.







The rest, I will not comment. But I do have an external USB 3 soundcard by
Creative. I can have multiple input, mic in, aux in and 5.1 output.



But thats an old model already . But 3.5mm jack speaker or sound card is
still around.













Regards,
Thomas N. Chan











On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 01:16, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:



Heck, you could spend an extra thousand dollars just by getting  high end
video and processor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt programs are getting that much bigger.  Since I haven't seen this
elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal
more verification.  And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies
getting more than 8GB for the average user.  You can add this expense and
that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred
dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the
larger drives are faster, does that matter?  What are we talking about,
perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program?  and can you
document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters?
Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the
computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for
RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more  write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say  a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself  doing anything more then  broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards  for one  thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my new
computer.[Jim
















































Re: if you were getting a new computer.

enes sarıbaş
 

And you see the people not doing the extra hundred dollars complaining about stuttering audio, slow boots, hard drive and OS crashes and general issues.  Seriously buying a high quality pc, E.G, an R7/9, 16-32 gb ram, samsung SSD is one of the best quality investments youv can make, and  you probably could use it 6-7 years,  because my 8 core processor likely will stay current for at least that long.

On 4/19/2021 3:22 AM, chris judge wrote:
Well, I usually allow myself a new PC every five years or so whether I need it or not. I'll never have to worry about the expense of owning a vehicle. I use my PC constantly for work and pleasure and the sake of a few hundred dollars really doesn't make much difference to me, so I usually tend to go a bit high end.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

32 also makes a difference on extremely high core machines.

On 4/18/2021 6:12 PM, chris judge wrote:
I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both and in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it. If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is having 10 more unused GB going to matter? If you have a race car or a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70 miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as I
have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second! With my desktop with
2 TBS HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than 256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives. It is evidently incorrect to refer to
them as digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days. It is called octane memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write
capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to
worry too much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just
some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual
channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even
if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and
endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel
or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting,
so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use
music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player,
and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and
have been using virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on
my new computer.[Jim














































Re: laptop

Thomas N. Chan
 

Good machine.


Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 10:52, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:

Hey there,

I have a laptop from 2006 which started off with XP and then I  put 7 on it.

The hardwhere still works! But 10 won’t run on it.

The only thing I could possibly do is  put Linux on it.

But the Linux would have to support 32-bit.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] laptop

 

Hi, my first laptop a satellite a 300 toshiba lasted for 6 years, then my mom had it for another 4 years, running windows xp or vista. I think. And second machine, lasted almost 5 years, and was windows 7 pro 64 bit with a dvd drive. Gave it to a friend, who is a sighted programmer, and then he put in a new ssd for his mom,  windows 10. Now had to get a new Samsung external ssd drive 500 gb, as my 1 tb Toshiba external  drive, was about to die. Able to copy all files from that. And so got a new assus vivo book with a ssd. First time using that and yes, takes about 30 secs to power up and hear the windows chime and the login screen with jaws. Do have 8 gb ram, do have a spare 8 gb two spare 4 gb slots. Could have used 16 gb, when doing my network course and ran out of memory for running multiple virtual machines. And like to get a new laptop every 6 to 7 years or 5 years. So had this assus a couple of years. Thanks.

Ps: I 3 7 dual quad or quad core, up to 8cores. 2.3 ghz processor, 8 gb ram, 500 gb ssd. One usb 3, two usb 2 ports. 15.inch passive colour I think, or maybe active colour. Not sure. Standard keyboard, built in web cam, mike. Surround sound and using the real tech surround sound app. Two speakers. No card reader.

A good machine.

Excellent sound. And do have windows 10 pro 64 bit, it came with windows 10 home 64 bit 1809. So upgraded it a few times.

Marvin. .


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Thomas N. Chan
 

Hi Gene,
Your analogy comparison with ram and a car is so much different.
For a start, car will not have memory leak, they will have oil leak, they will break down in regards if the engine is a high power one vs a smaller build ones.
I don't think you even understand how virtual memory works and even ram. 
For windows point of view, you open a program, when is sitting there for a while, does not mean it will be push down to virtual memory. It will eventually whether you like it or not.
Especially for SSD harddrive, windows and a lot of OS all got this kind of capability. to prevent more read and write on them. so they eventually store more on the ram. 
It will still store some on the harddrive for caching and performance purposes. in fact, to prepare for program to take up the ram.
If you open a big program or program which require more ram, even browsing like chrome, it will take up resources. 
You can't compare like last time or 20 years ago, is all depend how much the html files, you need how much ram. is already out of date. The browser will triggle extension or plugins, and the browser will load it up. if you open another tab or windows, it will load another set of same thing, it will not share due to, security and privacy. so the same browser will open a lot of resources itself. it will not be just one extension or one executable. 
In windows 10 itself, for performance purposes, its always good to have more than 8gb because we are using screen reader. Its so unfair when you expect the user to buy the minimum specifications, and windows will keep read and write because you think opening a document, browsing on the net will not matter to 8gb?

I don't need to give you KB article, or online stuff to prove my concept because i manage computer system and server in corporate  environment , where people only use document, browse the web app and just printing stuff out. with the 16gb ram with the same  workload, windows load faster, document load faster, browsing is more efficient.

If the original list member can afford it, why stop it eventually?

I am sure a lot of us, like Chris is very knowledgeable in that area and base on experience itself.



Re: if you were getting a new computer.

chris judge
 

Well, I usually allow myself a new PC every five years or so whether I need it or not. I'll never have to worry about the expense of owning a vehicle. I use my PC constantly for work and pleasure and the sake of a few hundred dollars really doesn't make much difference to me, so I usually tend to go a bit high end.

Chris Judge

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

32 also makes a difference on extremely high core machines.

On 4/18/2021 6:12 PM, chris judge wrote:
I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both and in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it. If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is having 10 more unused GB going to matter? If you have a race car or a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70 miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as I
have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second! With my desktop with
2 TBS HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than 256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives. It is evidently incorrect to refer to
them as digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days. It is called octane memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write
capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to
worry too much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just
some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual
channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even
if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and
endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel
or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting,
so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use
music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player,
and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and
have been using virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on
my new computer.[Jim







































Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Monte Single
 

The average blind user, could probably not tell the difference between a 20 or a 200 dollar sound card.
If the user were doing some audio editing that required above average specs, that could be different.
...and that is definitely not the average user, blind or otherwise.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 11:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I would think they would. The DACs on newer pcs are terrible quality.
Speech or music could sound clearer. But laptops come with crappy dacs they don't even use soundcards.

On 4/18/2021 11:28 PM, Monte Single wrote:
YHes,

I know why different people use different graphics cards?chips.
I was using it as an example of how the price of a computer can be dramaticly increased with the addition of 1 different component.
The average blind user woujld not appreciate the addition of a high-end sound card either.

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enes saribas
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You could, but a midrange graphics card is ok. Blind people have little to no use for graphics.

On 4/18/2021 12:14 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Heck, you could spend an extra thousand dollars just by getting high end video and processor.

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I doubt programs are getting that much bigger. Since I haven't seen this elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal more verification. And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies getting more than 8GB for the average user. You can add this expense and that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the larger drives are faster, does that matter? What are we talking about, perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program? and can you document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters?
Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
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As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb
if budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write
capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to
worry too much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are
just some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







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At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual
channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even
if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and
endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel
or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





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Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







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Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting,
so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use
music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good
player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary
player, and have been using virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on
my new computer.[Jim





















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