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Re: computer speaker recommendations please

Loy
 

Yes, it is USB powered,and 3.5 plug for the audio. ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Troy Burnham" <troyburnham34@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] computer speaker recommendations please


Thanks Loy, this looks like just what I'm looking for.

Are these USB powered? Near the top of the description it says something
about 3.5 mm which would be the plug for the earphone jack I presume,
but at the bottom I see USB mentioned.

Troy



On 8/31/2020 8:22 PM, Loy wrote:
I just purchase the below speakers from Amazon. They are great, excellent
quality for the price. Like you I am not a big Music listener, but they
sound great with music. Here is the information:
Creative Pebble V2 - Minimalistic 2.0 USB-C Powered Desktop Speakers, 3.5
mm
AUX-in, Up to 8W RMS Power for Computers and Laptops, Type-A Adapter
Included and Extended Cable (Black)
Amazon'sChoicefor "creative pebble v2"$29.99
1.. 1.. 1.. 1.. 1.. 1.. 1.. a.. a.. a.. a.. a.. a.. a..


4 Colors:
Black with USB Type-C Plug$ 29 99
----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Burnham" <troyburnham34@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 7:41 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] computer speaker recommendations please


Hi all,

I seem to be getting a short in the computer speakers I'm using now and
so I need to replace them, does anybody have recommendations on a set of
reasonably priced speakers? Btw I rarely if ever listen to music on the
computer so I don't need anything with a lot of base or anything, just
something that sounds good with jaws. I would like what I get to be a
pair of speakers, but they can be USB, bluetooth, or they can just plug
in via the earphone jack.

Thanks.

Troy







Re: Changing Browsers

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Then, just use the letter e to find the edit field.

Ann P.


Original message:

jaws recent update with win10
nancy
On 9/1/2020 7:35 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,
RE simplicity in a browser.  One quick question, What screen reader
are you using, please?
Ann P.

--
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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: switching browsers

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Yes, each browser will have an icon on your desktop, and you can switch between them at your convenience. Caveat, if you just activate a link in an email or a document, you'll get whatever browser is currently the default, so copy and paste any links you want to try in other browsers.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Question About Desktop

chris judge
 

Hi. The This PC icon isn't placed on the desktop by default in windows 10
unless a recent change has made it so. To put the This PC icon on the
desktop, do the following.

Press windows I to open settings.
Type personalization in to the search box, then down arrow to Themes and
related settings. Press enter. Tab over to desktop icons and press enter.
You will year, computer 3 state button. Press spacebar to check it. Tab to
ok and press enter. This Pc icon should now show up on your desktop.
Chris Judge

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann
Parsons
Sent: September 1, 2020 8:46 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About Desktop

Hi Shelly,

'This PC' should be on your desktop. Use the letter t and you'll find it.

Good for you. I just don't understand trainers who don't get it, that a
student has to have a picture in the mind of what he or she is doing before
doing it. How the heck are you supposed to navigate the desktop if you
don't know how? Knowing what the route is makes going to the
grocery store a heck of a lot easier. Some of these sighted
instructors figure blind people don't need to know what things look like
because they can't see them anyway. "Hoy, hoy, ou embliere hraire! Hoy,
hoy the stinking thousand!" Richard Adams This refers to all the miriad
enemies of rabbits.

Ann P.


Original message:
Ann:

Thanks for explaining  things to me.  I am totally blind and had no
idea what the desktop looked like.  I would just arrow down and listen
to the items that are there.  I will definitely do as you said and hit
the right arrow key to move to the next column.  I am using Windows
10.  How do I find this PC?  I will admit, I didn't have the best
training.  I don't want to get into personal things but I had a bad
rehab counselor who basically thought I was retarded.  I don't like
using that word but that's what he classified me as.  He wanted me in
a sheltered workshop and I tried it for three days and it was
degrading so I quit and put myself through college.  He wouldn't help me
with that.

Shelly
On 8/29/2020 2:26 PM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,
Shelly, what operating system are you running?   It depends on what
OS you're running as to where the downloads folder is. Before I
explain how to find your downloads folder, which is where all
programs put files unless you tell them differently, I want to
explain your desktop to you.
Don't know where you got your training, but whomever it was did a
poor job in this area.  Your desktop is a list view, but it is
displayed in columns and rows.  Have you ever seen a bulletin board
with pictures and announcements and so on placed in columns and rows
on it?  There will be a picture, and below that will be the menu for the
kids'
lunches at school, to the right of the picture will be Martha's
drawing of Spot the Dog and so on. That's what your desktop looks
like.  So, if you want to see items 8-14, use your right arrow key to
move to the second column of icons.  You can always use first letter
navigation too, which is sometimes more efficient.
As for the downloads folder, that depends on the OS.  If it's win10,
it's in 'this PC'.  If it's Win7, look in 'computer' at:
c:\users\name\downloads\.
Ann P.

Original message:
         Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop
open and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can
only see seven.  How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do
I delete a program from the desktop?  One more thing, how do I get
to the download folder?  I usually have all of my programs go right
to desktop but someone told me some of them may be in the downloads
folder. Thanks in advance.
Shelly




--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Question About Desktop

Ann Parsons
 

Hi Shelly,

'This PC' should be on your desktop. Use the letter t and you'll find it.

Good for you. I just don't understand trainers who don't get it, that a student has to have a picture in the mind of what he or she is doing before doing it. How the heck are you supposed to navigate the desktop if you don't know how? Knowing what the route is makes going to the grocery store a heck of a lot easier. Some of these sighted instructors figure blind people don't need to know what things look like because they can't see them anyway. "Hoy, hoy, ou embliere hraire! Hoy, hoy the stinking thousand!" Richard Adams This refers to all the miriad enemies of rabbits.

Ann P.


Original message:

Ann:

Thanks for explaining  things to me.  I am totally blind and had no idea
what the desktop looked like.  I would just arrow down and listen to the
items that are there.  I will definitely do as you said and hit the
right arrow key to move to the next column.  I am using Windows 10.  How
do I find this PC?  I will admit, I didn't have the best training.  I
don't want to get into personal things but I had a bad rehab counselor
who basically thought I was retarded.  I don't like using that word but
that's what he classified me as.  He wanted me in a sheltered workshop
and I tried it for three days and it was degrading so I quit and put
myself through college.  He wouldn't help me with that.
Shelly
On 8/29/2020 2:26 PM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,
Shelly, what operating system are you running?   It depends on what OS
you're running as to where the downloads folder is. Before I explain
how to find your downloads folder, which is where all programs put
files unless you tell them differently, I want to explain your desktop
to you.
Don't know where you got your training, but whomever it was did a poor
job in this area.  Your desktop is a list view, but it is displayed in
columns and rows.  Have you ever seen a bulletin board with pictures
and announcements and so on placed in columns and rows on it?  There
will be a picture, and below that will be the menu for the kids'
lunches at school, to the right of the picture will be Martha's
drawing of Spot the Dog and so on. That's what your desktop looks
like.  So, if you want to see items 8-14, use your right arrow key to
move to the second column of icons.  You can always use first letter
navigation too, which is sometimes more efficient.
As for the downloads folder, that depends on the OS.  If it's win10,
it's in 'this PC'.  If it's Win7, look in 'computer' at:
c:\users\name\downloads\.
Ann P.

Original message:
         Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop open
and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can only see
seven.  How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I delete a
program from the desktop?  One more thing, how do I get to the download
folder?  I usually have all of my programs go right to desktop but
someone told me some of them may be in the downloads folder. Thanks in
advance.
Shelly




--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Changing Browsers

Nancy Hill
 

jaws recent update with win10

nancy

On 9/1/2020 7:35 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,

RE simplicity in a browser.  One quick question, What screen reader are you using, please?

Ann P.


Re: Changing Browsers

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

RE simplicity in a browser. One quick question, What screen reader are you using, please?

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: switching browsers

chris judge
 

Hi Nancy.

Assuming you are using windows 10?

You can install as many browsers as you like but only one can be the default. To set your default browser, do the following.
Press windows I to open settings.
Type default in to the search field and arrow down to default apps.
Next, tab over to default browser and press enter. You can then tab through all the browsers you have installed on your computer and press enter on the one you want as the default. Next, press alt f4 to close settings.

There is no need to uninstall internet explorer. Having said that, if you choose to, here's how.
Press windows I to open settings.
Type programs in to the search field, then down arrow to add/remove programs.
Press enter. You should land on a link called, optional features. Press enter. You will have to tab a number of times but you will eventually get to a list of optional features. On my pc the first option is IE, but yours might be different. Regardless, find IE, then press enter. Arrow over to uninstall and press enter. This will remove it. If you ever change your mind and need it back, heaven forbid, 😍 you can add it again under the add a feature button.

Hope this helps.
Chris Judge

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: September 1, 2020 8:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] switching browsers



If I want to try more than one new browser, is there a way to easily switch among until I make my decision?When I do add a new browser, where do I go to turn it into the default


Is there any reason to keep IE; if not, how do I get rid of it?


Many Thanks,

Nancybrowser?

On 9/1/2020 3:06 AM, Gene wrote:
there may be ways to get rid of some of it but not all of it. When
you open a browser, type control l and type an address and press
enter, or use a bookmark or use control k, type a search string and
press enter. or follow a link that opens another page, in short, any
time you do something that opens a page or when your home page opens,
you will be in the web page with one exception. If you have set a
blank page as your home page, you will be, I believe, on the address
bar. Most people don't use a blank page. If you do , let us know.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 12:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Gene, I think you have interpreted what I meant. Do all the things

you mentioned have to sho up? I really only want to look for answers
or see what's out there. If I find something I want to keep, I simply
link to it and then put it in the Misc folder on my Desktop.

My simple system works well for me. Am I hearing thatany new browser
I set up will have all that extra stuff by default? Is there no way
to get rid of all that extra stuff?

Thanks,
Nancy

8/31/2020 7:46 PM, Gene wrote:
Are you talking about tool bars or other structures you can move to
as you tab around the program window that are outside of the page?
If so, and I'm still not sure what you are referring to, that sort of
thing is standard today.

I'm not sure how or if you are moving out of the page after it loads.
Use f6 if you are to return to the page. Once you are in the page,
you won't leave it unless you tab or shift tab beyond the bottom or
top of it. When you load a page, you should always be in the page.

I don't know if these comments will help because it isn't clear to me
just what you are seeing but they may.

Without more information, I doubt that trying different browsers will
help, as I said, having various tool bars and structures on screen in
addition to the web page is standard these days.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 6:36 PM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Guys, Thanks for the tips on the browser.


By invisible, I mean that when I looked up something with IE, there
was no extraneous 'things' such as places to put favorites or
anything like that. I hope I can find another browser like that. I
think I will see about starting out with brave or the new edge.


After all, I did get used to win 10 even though I was very happy with
win7.


Thank you for being there for me.


Nancy











Re: switching browsers

Gene
 

There isn't any reason to get rid of it and you don't know if, at some point, you may find a site that works significantly better in it than in the popular browsers. Most won't, but I've seen comments that the main Facebook site still works better in Internet Explorer than popular browsers.

Programs take up very little disk space and, unless I'm sure I'll never want to use the program, I leave them. Some programs, I just leave even if I don't think I'll use them. As I said, they take little room and I just don't want to be without them just in case.

You can make any browser you want to try the default, and if you let us know what browser you want to make the default when you are about to install it, people will tell you how to do it.

Also, are you using Windows 10? the procedure may be different in Windows 10.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 6:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] switching browsers



If I want to try more than one new browser, is there a way to easily
switch among until I make my decision?When I do add a new browser, where
do I go to turn it into the default


Is there any reason to keep IE; if not, how do I get rid of it?


Many Thanks,

Nancybrowser?

On 9/1/2020 3:06 AM, Gene wrote:
there may be ways to get rid of some of it but not all of it. When you open a browser, type control l and type an address and press enter, or use a bookmark or use control k, type a search string and press enter. or follow a link that opens another page, in short, any time you do something that opens a page or when your home page opens, you will be in the web page with one exception. If you have set a blank page as your home page, you will be, I believe, on the address bar. Most people don't use a blank page. If you do , let us know.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 12:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Gene, I think you have interpreted what I meant. Do all the things

you mentioned have to sho up? I really only want to look for answers
or see what's out there. If I find something I want to keep, I simply
link to it and then put it in the Misc folder on my Desktop.

My simple system works well for me. Am I hearing thatany new browser I
set up will have all that extra stuff by default? Is there no way to
get rid of all that extra stuff?

Thanks,
Nancy

8/31/2020 7:46 PM, Gene wrote:
Are you talking about tool bars or other structures you can move to as you tab around the program window that are outside of the page? If so, and I'm still not sure what you are referring to, that sort of thing is standard today.

I'm not sure how or if you are moving out of the page after it loads. Use f6 if you are to return to the page. Once you are in the page, you won't leave it unless you tab or shift tab beyond the bottom or top of it. When you load a page, you should always be in the page.

I don't know if these comments will help because it isn't clear to me just what you are seeing but they may.

Without more information, I doubt that trying different browsers will help, as I said, having various tool bars and structures on screen in addition to the web page is standard these days.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 6:36 PM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Guys, Thanks for the tips on the browser.


By invisible, I mean that when I looked up something with IE, there was
no extraneous 'things' such as places to put favorites or anything like
that. I hope I can find another browser like that. I think I will see
about starting out with brave or the new edge.


After all, I did get used to win 10 even though I was very happy with win7.


Thank you for being there for me.


Nancy











Re: switching browsers

Nancy Hill
 

If I want to try more than one new browser, is there a way to easily switch among until I make my decision?When I do add a new browser, where do I go to turn it into the default


Is there any reason to keep IE; if not, how do I get rid of it?


Many Thanks,

Nancybrowser?

On 9/1/2020 3:06 AM, Gene wrote:
there may be ways to get rid of some of it but not all of it.  When you open a browser, type control l and type an address and press enter, or use a bookmark or use control k, type a search string and press enter. or follow a link that opens another page, in short, any time you do something that opens a page or when your home page opens, you will be in the web page with one exception.  If you have set a blank page as your home page, you will be, I believe, on the address bar.  Most people don't use a blank page.  If you do , let us know.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 12:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Gene, I think you have interpreted what I meant.  Do all the things

you mentioned have to sho up?  I really only want to look for answers
or see what's out there.  If I find something I want to keep, I simply
link to it and then put it in the Misc folder on my Desktop.

My simple system works well for me.  Am I hearing thatany new browser I
set up will have all that extra stuff by default?  Is there no way to
get rid of all that extra stuff?

Thanks,
Nancy

8/31/2020 7:46 PM, Gene wrote:
Are you talking about tool bars or other structures you can move to as you tab around the program window that are outside of the page?  If so, and I'm still not sure what you are referring to, that sort of thing is standard today.

I'm not sure how or if you are moving out of the page after it loads.  Use f6 if you are to return to the page.  Once you are in the page, you won't leave it unless you tab or shift tab beyond the bottom or top of it.  When you load a page, you should always be in the page.

I don't know if these comments will help because it isn't clear to me just what you are seeing but they may.

Without more information, I doubt that trying different browsers will help, as I said, having various tool bars and structures on screen in addition to the web page is standard these days.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 6:36 PM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Guys, Thanks for the tips on the browser.


By invisible, I mean that when I looked up something with IE, there was
no extraneous  'things' such as places to put favorites or anything like
that.  I hope I can find another browser like that.  I think I will see
about starting out with brave or the new edge.


After all, I did get used to win 10 even though I was very happy with win7.


Thank you for being there for me.


Nancy










Re: Changing Browsers

Gene
 

yes. I don't use tabs in that way.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 4:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers

Well Gene that's a matter of personal preference. I have several tabs that open when I launch chrome, including google, my banking site, audible, amazon and a number of others. This way I can launch the browser, then quickly move to the page I want by using control tab, or, since I've finally been able to remember the order of the tabs, I can press control 1 to move to my bank, control 4 to move to audible, etc. There are many ways to do things.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 1, 2020 6:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers

I consider it a bad use of the home page feature to have it be a search engine site in most cases. I, for example, would much rather have a news site as the home page, since I look at it a number of times a day to see what new content has been added.

Unless I want to conduct a search almost every time I open a browser, why have a search engine as the home page? I can simply issue the command control k, type a search and press enter no matter what page I'm on.

I, myself, would far rather have a news site as a home page, since I look at it a number of times a day to see if new content has been added. others might want another kind of home page but why use a search engine when conducting searches is so easy without being on the actual page?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 3:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers



Hi Nancy.



I use google chrome and ms edge. In both cases I have google set to be the
page I land on when the browser opens. I land on the search field for google
and I have forms mode automatically come on, so I just have to type what I’m
looking for, then press enter. When the page of search results loads I use
the R key to move to the main region of the page. I then use the H key to
move through the search results as most of them are denoted by a heading. If
you require assistance setting up chrome or edge I’m sure one of us can give
you a hand.



Cheers.



Chris Judge









From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy
Hill
Sent: September 1, 2020 12:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers





I am not good at explaining...When I go to google to look something up, IE
puts me right where I need to enter my inquiry. I do not see any mention of
IE...just the place where I neeed to ask my inquiry. When I have tried to
use edge, there seems to be more 'things' involved than just landingt on the
place I need to ask my question. That total simplicity is what I am looking
for in a new browser.



I am using an updated win10 and one of the latest jaws.



Thanks to all!

Nancy



On 8/31/2020 11:23 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:



On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 03:50 AM, chris judge wrote:



What do you mean by invisible?



-
I share this question. Without a definition of what this means, in
practice, it's really impossible to help much.

And, like so much in Windows, and in this case in browsers, ALT+D throws
focus straight to the web address edit box and selects what's already there,
so if you wish to overtype on a tab/page already open to go somewhere else
you can. It works in every modern browser I'm aware of and I just tested it
in Firefox, Edge, Chrome, and Brave and it has this behavior in all of them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely
fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Changing Browsers

chris judge
 

Well Gene that's a matter of personal preference. I have several tabs that open when I launch chrome, including google, my banking site, audible, amazon and a number of others. This way I can launch the browser, then quickly move to the page I want by using control tab, or, since I've finally been able to remember the order of the tabs, I can press control 1 to move to my bank, control 4 to move to audible, etc. There are many ways to do things.

Chris Judge

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 1, 2020 6:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers

I consider it a bad use of the home page feature to have it be a search engine site in most cases. I, for example, would much rather have a news site as the home page, since I look at it a number of times a day to see what new content has been added.

Unless I want to conduct a search almost every time I open a browser, why have a search engine as the home page? I can simply issue the command control k, type a search and press enter no matter what page I'm on.

I, myself, would far rather have a news site as a home page, since I look at it a number of times a day to see if new content has been added. others might want another kind of home page but why use a search engine when conducting searches is so easy without being on the actual page?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 3:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers



Hi Nancy.



I use google chrome and ms edge. In both cases I have google set to be the
page I land on when the browser opens. I land on the search field for google
and I have forms mode automatically come on, so I just have to type what I’m
looking for, then press enter. When the page of search results loads I use
the R key to move to the main region of the page. I then use the H key to
move through the search results as most of them are denoted by a heading. If
you require assistance setting up chrome or edge I’m sure one of us can give
you a hand.



Cheers.



Chris Judge









From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy
Hill
Sent: September 1, 2020 12:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers





I am not good at explaining...When I go to google to look something up, IE
puts me right where I need to enter my inquiry. I do not see any mention of
IE...just the place where I neeed to ask my inquiry. When I have tried to
use edge, there seems to be more 'things' involved than just landingt on the
place I need to ask my question. That total simplicity is what I am looking
for in a new browser.



I am using an updated win10 and one of the latest jaws.



Thanks to all!

Nancy



On 8/31/2020 11:23 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:



On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 03:50 AM, chris judge wrote:



What do you mean by invisible?



-
I share this question. Without a definition of what this means, in
practice, it's really impossible to help much.

And, like so much in Windows, and in this case in browsers, ALT+D throws
focus straight to the web address edit box and selects what's already there,
so if you wish to overtype on a tab/page already open to go somewhere else
you can. It works in every modern browser I'm aware of and I just tested it
in Firefox, Edge, Chrome, and Brave and it has this behavior in all of them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely
fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Changing Browsers

Gene
 

I consider it a bad use of the home page feature to have it be a search engine site in most cases. I, for example, would much rather have a news site as the home page, since I look at it a number of times a day to see what new content has been added.

Unless I want to conduct a search almost every time I open a browser, why have a search engine as the home page? I can simply issue the command control k, type a search and press enter no matter what page I'm on.

I, myself, would far rather have a news site as a home page, since I look at it a number of times a day to see if new content has been added. others might want another kind of home page but why use a search engine when conducting searches is so easy without being on the actual page?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 3:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers



Hi Nancy.



I use google chrome and ms edge. In both cases I have google set to be the page I land on when the browser opens. I land on the search field for google and I have forms mode automatically come on, so I just have to type what I’m looking for, then press enter. When the page of search results loads I use the R key to move to the main region of the page. I then use the H key to move through the search results as most of them are denoted by a heading. If you require assistance setting up chrome or edge I’m sure one of us can give you a hand.



Cheers.



Chris Judge









From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: September 1, 2020 12:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers





I am not good at explaining...When I go to google to look something up, IE puts me right where I need to enter my inquiry. I do not see any mention of IE...just the place where I neeed to ask my inquiry. When I have tried to use edge, there seems to be more 'things' involved than just landingt on the place I need to ask my question. That total simplicity is what I am looking for in a new browser.



I am using an updated win10 and one of the latest jaws.



Thanks to all!

Nancy



On 8/31/2020 11:23 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:



On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 03:50 AM, chris judge wrote:



What do you mean by invisible?



-
I share this question. Without a definition of what this means, in practice, it's really impossible to help much.

And, like so much in Windows, and in this case in browsers, ALT+D throws focus straight to the web address edit box and selects what's already there, so if you wish to overtype on a tab/page already open to go somewhere else you can. It works in every modern browser I'm aware of and I just tested it in Firefox, Edge, Chrome, and Brave and it has this behavior in all of them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Changing Browsers

chris judge
 

Hi Nancy.

 

I use google chrome and ms edge. In both cases I have google set to be the page I land on when the browser opens. I land on the search field for google and I have forms mode automatically come on, so I just have to type what I’m looking for, then press enter. When the page of search results loads I use the R key to move to the main region of the page. I then use the H key to move through the search results as most of them are denoted by a heading. If you require assistance setting up chrome or edge I’m sure one of us can give you a hand.

 

Cheers.  

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: September 1, 2020 12:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers

 

I am not good at explaining...When I go to google to look something up, IE puts me right where I need to enter my inquiry.  I do not see any mention of IE...just the place where I neeed to ask my inquiry.  When I have tried to use edge, there seems to be more 'things' involved than just landingt on the place I need to ask my question.  That total simplicity is what I am looking for in a new browser.

 

I am using an updated win10 and one of the latest jaws.

 

Thanks to all!

Nancy

On 8/31/2020 11:23 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 03:50 AM, chris judge wrote:

What do you mean by invisible?

-
I share this question.  Without a definition of what this means, in practice, it's really impossible to help much.

And, like so much in Windows, and in this case in browsers, ALT+D throws focus straight to the web address edit box and selects what's already there, so if you wish to overtype on a tab/page already open to go somewhere else you can.  It works in every modern browser I'm aware of and I just tested it in Firefox, Edge, Chrome, and Brave and it has this behavior in all of them.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Question About Desktop

Gene
 

I don't think people, even with good training are taught as well as they should be to infer form from how they move with the arrow keys. Good training will give some description of an interface, such as the Desktop is a list view with columns. But I don't recall anyone showing me how to move through the list view as I described. In other words, you can't do so from the keyboard efficiently if your intention is to look through every item unless you do what I described. there is no move to top of current column command, therefore, you go bac, to the beginning so you have a uniform starting point and right arrow to the next column you want to move down.

To use other movement following form examples, when you are using down arrow to move down a menu, you are actually moving down through items. When you press alt, then use the left and right arrow to move from one menu title to another, you are actually moving left or right from title to title, such as file, edit, etc. Of course, people take for granted that when you are moving in a document, the right arrow moves you right and the left left, etc. in the doccument. But this, in my experience, isn't consistently explained and taught else where.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 3:51 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About Desktop

Gene:


Thanks for chiming in. As I said before, I didn't know the desktop was
in columns. When I listen to the items I have in there, I usually do
first letter navigation or arrow through them. I never thought to use
the home key and right arrow to navigate around. I was never taught
that in training when I was young. Thanks again.

Shelly

On 8/29/2020 3:41 PM, Gene wrote:
It’s a good idea to provide a systeematic way of doing things in such cases. To illustrate in this case, as was said, the desktop is a list view in columns. Let's say you want to move through every item on the desktop to see what is there. When on the desktop, press home to move you to the top of the list at the left, the very beginning of the list. Down arrow through all the items you can. Then press home again to move to the top of the list, right arrow once, then down arrow through all the things in the second column. Again, use home, then right arrow two times, which will place you on the third column.

When you get to the last column and are down arrowing, you will either jump back to things you heard in the previous column at some point, or if the final column is full, you will stop at the bottom and still be in that column. But the desktop, if the final column isn't full, automatically moves you into the column to the left of where you are if you down arrow past the last item in that column and you aren't at the bottom of the column, in other words, if part of that column is not yet filled.

the concept of movement following form isn't taught well, if at all, in training. In other wordss, even though you can't see if a tool bar has items from left to right or up and down, if you can't move through the items by up or down arrowing but you can move through them with the left and right arrows, those aren't just meaningless arbitrary movement options. You move as the form of what you are moving through is laid out. Knowing this helps you understand how things are laid out and may help you brealize that if you can't move one way, try another.

It may also help you understand what you are doing when you look at something using screen review, keeping in mind that movement follows form.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 3:26 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About Desktop

Hi all,

Shelly, what operating system are you running? It depends on what OS
you're running as to where the downloads folder is. Before I explain
how to find your downloads folder, which is where all programs put
files unless you tell them differently, I want to explain your desktop to you.

Don't know where you got your training, but whomever it was did a poor
job in this area. Your desktop is a list view, but it is displayed in
columns and rows. Have you ever seen a bulletin board with pictures
and announcements and so on placed in columns and rows on it? There
will be a picture, and below that will be the menu for the kids'
lunches at school, to the right of the picture will be Martha's drawing
of Spot the Dog and so on. That's what your desktop looks like. So,
if you want to see items 8-14, use your right arrow key to move to the
second column of icons. You can always use first letter navigation
too, which is sometimes more efficient.

As for the downloads folder, that depends on the OS. If it's win10,
it's in 'this PC'. If it's Win7, look in 'computer' at:
c:\users\name\downloads\.

Ann P.


Original message:
Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop open
and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can only see
seven. How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I delete a
program from the desktop? One more thing, how do I get to the download
folder? I usually have all of my programs go right to desktop but
someone told me some of them may be in the downloads folder. Thanks in
advance.
Shelly


Re: switching browsers

Gene
 

there may be ways to get rid of some of it but not all of it. When you open a browser, type control l and type an address and press enter, or use a bookmark or use control k, type a search string and press enter. or follow a link that opens another page, in short, any time you do something that opens a page or when your home page opens, you will be in the web page with one exception. If you have set a blank page as your home page, you will be, I believe, on the address bar. Most people don't use a blank page. If you do , let us know.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 12:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Gene, I think you have interpreted what I meant. Do all the things

you mentioned have to sho up? I really only want to look for answers
or see what's out there. If I find something I want to keep, I simply
link to it and then put it in the Misc folder on my Desktop.

My simple system works well for me. Am I hearing thatany new browser I
set up will have all that extra stuff by default? Is there no way to
get rid of all that extra stuff?

Thanks,
Nancy

8/31/2020 7:46 PM, Gene wrote:
Are you talking about tool bars or other structures you can move to as you tab around the program window that are outside of the page? If so, and I'm still not sure what you are referring to, that sort of thing is standard today.

I'm not sure how or if you are moving out of the page after it loads. Use f6 if you are to return to the page. Once you are in the page, you won't leave it unless you tab or shift tab beyond the bottom or top of it. When you load a page, you should always be in the page.

I don't know if these comments will help because it isn't clear to me just what you are seeing but they may.

Without more information, I doubt that trying different browsers will help, as I said, having various tool bars and structures on screen in addition to the web page is standard these days.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 6:36 PM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Guys, Thanks for the tips on the browser.


By invisible, I mean that when I looked up something with IE, there was
no extraneous 'things' such as places to put favorites or anything like
that. I hope I can find another browser like that. I think I will see
about starting out with brave or the new edge.


After all, I did get used to win 10 even though I was very happy with win7.


Thank you for being there for me.


Nancy







Re: Changing Browsers

Gene
 

When you open Google as by typing the web site or making it your home page, you should be placed in the edit field as well. But there is no reason to actually go to Google or make it your home page if you are going to use Google to search. What could be more simple than typing control k, typing a search, and pressing enter.

If you aren't being placed in the edit field, when you open the site itself is something I'm not sure of why. That is controled by the site itself, which uses JAVA scripts to move the browser into the field when the site opens.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 10:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers



I am not good at explaining...When I go to google to look something up, IE puts me right where I need to enter my inquiry. I do not see any mention of IE...just the place where I neeed to ask my inquiry. When I have tried to use edge, there seems to be more 'things' involved than just landingt on the place I need to ask my question. That total simplicity is what I am looking for in a new browser.




I am using an updated win10 and one of the latest jaws.





Thanks to all!

Nancy


On 8/31/2020 11:23 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 03:50 AM, chris judge wrote:
What do you mean by invisible?-
I share this question. Without a definition of what this means, in practice, it's really impossible to help much.

And, like so much in Windows, and in this case in browsers, ALT+D throws focus straight to the web address edit box and selects what's already there, so if you wish to overtype on a tab/page already open to go somewhere else you can. It works in every modern browser I'm aware of and I just tested it in Firefox, Edge, Chrome, and Brave and it has this behavior in all of them.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Question About Desktop

Shelly Kane
 

Gene:


Thanks for chiming in.  As I said before, I didn't know the desktop was in columns.  When I listen to the items I have in there, I usually do first letter navigation or arrow through them.  I never thought to use the home key and right arrow to navigate around.  I was never taught that in training when I was young.  Thanks again.

Shelly

On 8/29/2020 3:41 PM, Gene wrote:
It’s a good idea to provide a systeematic way of doing things in such cases. To illustrate in this case, as was said, the desktop is a list view in columns.  Let's say you want to move through every item on the desktop to see what is there.  When on the desktop, press home to move you to the top of the list at the left, the very beginning of the list.  Down arrow through all the items you can.  Then press home again to move to the top of the list, right arrow once, then down arrow through all the things in the second column. Again, use home, then right arrow two times, which will place you on the third column.

When you get to the last column and are down arrowing, you will either jump back to things you heard in the previous column at some point, or if the final column is full, you will stop at the bottom and still be in that column.  But the desktop, if the final column isn't full, automatically moves you into the column to the left of where you are if you down arrow past the last item in that column and you aren't at the bottom of the column, in other words, if part of that column is not yet filled.

the concept of movement following form isn't taught well, if at all, in training.  In other wordss, even though you can't see if a tool bar has items from left to right or up and down, if you can't move through the items by up or down arrowing but you can move through them with the left and right arrows, those aren't just meaningless arbitrary movement options.  You move as the form of what you are moving through is laid out.  Knowing this helps you understand how things are laid out and may help you brealize that if you can't move one way, try another.

It may also help you understand what you are doing when you look at something using screen review, keeping in mind that movement follows form.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 3:26 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About Desktop

Hi all,

Shelly, what operating system are you running?   It depends on what OS
you're running as to where the downloads folder is.  Before I explain
how to find your downloads folder, which is where all programs put
files unless you tell them differently, I want to explain your desktop to you.

Don't know where you got your training, but whomever it was did a poor
job in this area.  Your desktop is a list view, but it is displayed in
columns and rows.  Have you ever seen a bulletin board with pictures
and announcements and so on placed in columns and rows on it? There
will be a picture, and below that will be the menu for the kids'
lunches at school, to the right of the picture will be Martha's drawing
of Spot the Dog and so on.   That's what your desktop looks like. So,
if you want to see items 8-14, use your right arrow key to move to the
second column of icons.  You can always use first letter navigation
too, which is sometimes more efficient.

As for the downloads folder, that depends on the OS.  If it's win10,
it's in 'this PC'.  If it's Win7, look in 'computer' at:
c:\users\name\downloads\.

Ann P.


Original message:
         Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop open
and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can only see
seven.  How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I delete a
program from the desktop?  One more thing, how do I get to the download
folder?  I usually have all of my programs go right to desktop but
someone told me some of them may be in the downloads folder. Thanks in
advance.
Shelly


Re: Question About Desktop

Shelly Kane
 

Ann:


Thanks for explaining  things to me.  I am totally blind and had no idea what the desktop looked like.  I would just arrow down and listen to the items that are there.  I will definitely do as you said and hit the right arrow key to move to the next column.  I am using Windows 10.  How do I find this PC?  I will admit, I didn't have the best training.  I don't want to get into personal things but I had a bad rehab counselor who basically thought I was retarded.  I don't like using that word but that's what he classified me as.  He wanted me in a sheltered workshop and I tried it for three days and it was degrading so I quit and put myself through college.  He wouldn't help me with that.

Shelly

On 8/29/2020 2:26 PM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,

Shelly, what operating system are you running?   It depends on what OS you're running as to where the downloads folder is. Before I explain how to find your downloads folder, which is where all programs put files unless you tell them differently, I want to explain your desktop to you.

Don't know where you got your training, but whomever it was did a poor job in this area.  Your desktop is a list view, but it is displayed in columns and rows.  Have you ever seen a bulletin board with pictures and announcements and so on placed in columns and rows on it?  There will be a picture, and below that will be the menu for the kids' lunches at school, to the right of the picture will be Martha's drawing of Spot the Dog and so on. That's what your desktop looks like.  So, if you want to see items 8-14, use your right arrow key to move to the second column of icons.  You can always use first letter navigation too, which is sometimes more efficient.

As for the downloads folder, that depends on the OS.  If it's win10, it's in 'this PC'.  If it's Win7, look in 'computer' at: c:\users\name\downloads\.

Ann P.


Original message:
         Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop open
and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can only see
seven.  How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I delete a
program from the desktop?  One more thing, how do I get to the download
folder?  I usually have all of my programs go right to desktop but
someone told me some of them may be in the downloads folder. Thanks in
advance.
Shelly


Re: Changing Browsers

Nancy Hill
 

Thank you Everyone...I am starting to get a little hope.  Hopefully I will give something new a whirl by the weekend.


Thanks,

Nancy

On 9/1/2020 12:00 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Not to mention that all modern browsers use what they tried to get the world to call the omnibox, which is what most of us still call the address box because that's mostly what we're used to entering in it.  But I don't know of a single browser these days where the address box/omnibox is not a combination web search box and address box.  If you type something like "largest cranberry harvest" and hit enter, the search engine you've chosen as your default will run that search and present the results to you then and there.

What each uses as the default search engine is different, but they all allow you to set up a search engine of your choosing in the settings.  You can be certain that Chrome has Google as its default search engine and that Edge has Bing.

And ALT+D will throw focus to the address box/omnibox in all of them, and if something already happens to be there, it will be selected, so you can just start typing to replace it if you're done with whatever you had been looking at, be it a web page or prior search results.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com