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Re: if you were getting a new computer.

chris judge
 

I have a 512 gig SSHD for my main drive and a 2 TB spinning drive for data.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan
Sent: April 18, 2021 8:35 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

 

If money permit, and you can't afford to get a higher storage SSD, then go for the standard range of 256gb for your boot drive, then get whatever you can afford for storage for normal spinning drive. You can get 1tb or more with very good price tag on them., 

the speed what they are providing is more than enough for what you want to accomplish.

At least you can archive and store your media on the spinning drive. They don't need the speed and performance for reading a 5 to 10mb mp3 files. even for a 1gb video, a normal 1tb black or blue series is more than enough.

You can use that for your backup to capture  drive images since your boot drive is only 256gb.

 

at least this is my approach if your budget fall within as well.


Regards,
Thomas N. Chan

 

 

On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 07:12, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:

I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both and in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it.  If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is having 10 more unused GB going to matter?  If you have a race car or a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70 miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as I have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second!  With my desktop with 2 TBS
HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than 256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can  future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives.  It is evidently incorrect to refer to them as
digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte
Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days.  It is called octane memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes
saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more  write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say  a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself  doing anything more then  broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards  for one  thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my
new computer.[Jim







































internal s s ds

Monte Single
 

I was  just looking on the amazon Canada website.

Under a search for 512 gig s s d drives,  I found brand name drives by names like Crucial and Kingston for  seventy to eighty  Canadian dollars.

That would be about    60 to 65 in u s dollars.

So if I were putting a new p c together,  I would get the 512  and someone with a bit more cash would get the 1 tb!

 

A good brand name 4 tb usb external drive now sells for about 110 u s dollars.

That’s about 3 cents a gig.

And ram prices are  equally affordable.

 

The newer releases of the high en processors,  are still the most expensive part of a pc.

 

Of course, you can spend a couple hundred bucks on a nice case;  and the same goes for  a mobo,  or you can be totally  content spending 50 bucks on each.

 

But, you can skip all the shopping and fussing and buy a brand name machine.

If you can afford it,  get a model that is not the very cheapest.

As the  teacher said to the inattentive student,  you have choices.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Monte


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Thomas N. Chan
 

Thats where harddrive does not matter in terms of downloading and installing updates.
That's the comparison of the CPU and the ram involve. and the motherboard capability.
Store data is send from the motherboard to the ram, then the CPU will decompress and do the CRC check. Of course, during that time, harddrive is still doing the job or sending the data across and also caching and so on.
If the harddrive is fast, all these will be even more efficient.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 13:53, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I haven't followed developments in SSDs or the price of RAM for quite some
time.  I had strong opinions about price in terms of people not spending
more than they need to unless they actually want to.  But in light of the
discussion, I have changed my opinions about 16 versus 8gb of RAM unless new
information comes up.  The price difference may be small enough that it
doesn't matter much unless someone is on a very tight budget.  While I still
doubt that for the typical user the speed difference means muchh, I don't
think it matters much for a lot of users what they get.

Regarding SSDs it appears from what John said that they are so common now
that that is what people are likely to get anyway and again, while I haven't
compared prices of computers, it may not matter much in terms of price
anymore, though again, someone on a tight budget may want to look into the
question and ask about it here as a part of that.

I hope the discussion was interesting and will help people in deciding what
they want.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

If that's the case, then worrying about getting an SSD may not matter much
for a lot of people.

The discussion may have helped people think about whether they want the size
SSD that comes in the machine.  There is also the option of getting whatever
size is included and using a USB exgternal drive for extra storage.  I don't
know about price comparisons between getting a higher capacity SSD drive and
an external USB one.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Those who really watch money go with the SSD and the lessor of the ram with
a Core i5.
Its going to be hard to find a PC without an SSD at this point anyway.
Especially if  new is your jam.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yes, I knew we were discussing 16GB but for some reason, I wasn't thinking
about it correctly.  That may mean that the price difference might be
between thirty and fourty-five dollars.  That isn't that much money so for a
lot of people, it might not matter.  I therefore will say that I was
objecting on the basis of thinking about the question incorrectly.

While I remain skeptical the difference matters to any extent to the average
user, the amount of money isn't much.  Those who really have to watch money
may want to not get the extra GB, however.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

It depends on who you buy it from.
Also I'm not sure which programs leak.
Geen, not 16 more GB. No.
We were saying that 8GB is good enough for most people but if you can afford
it having 16GB  or more is better.
Less cashing to the drive.
SSDS do have a limited read/write cycles.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 4:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I just looked at a few search results.  Are they reflective of current
prices?  They indicate that 16gb of RAM costs something like 93 or 98
dollars.  That's a lot of money to spend to avoid closing and reopening this
or that program a few hours earlier.

Is that the cost of adding RAM when you purchase a machine?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 2:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I think this needs more discussion.  How much does 16 more gb of memory
cost?  Why not just close programs now and then if they have memory leaks?
And what programs are known to have memory leaks that are popular and in
common use?

I don't see any general advice from computer advisors to get 16GB of RAM if
you are a typical user.  If you spend fifty dollars more, as I said, for
some people that isn't much money.  for others, it is a lot.  I don't think
such generalizations should be made without discussions of such points.
Let's say, for example, that a certain browser has a memory leak and that
using it for two or three hours can impair performance using 8GB of ram.  Is
it worth getting more RAM so you can keep it opened for 6 hours?  Why not
just close and reopen it every now and then?  Why not the same with other
programs?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 2:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



Hi Everyone,

Thomas says: 8gb is good but 16gb is even better. Memory leak, left over
chunk of program which its not cleanup by windows, that much of ram will
help the virtual files as well. If there's not much writing onto the
harddrive, your SSD or your harddrive will be even happier.



Janet says:

I agree with you one hundred percent!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:55 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





I would always say, what can the original request can afford.



8gb is good but 16gb is even better. Memory leak, left over chunk of program
which its not cleanup by windows, that much of ram will help the virtual
files as well. If there's not much writing onto the harddrive, your SSD or
your harddrive will be even happier.



If you open so many programs example, some of the older or initial or least
program will just be, push down to the virtual swap files.



Those running in the background, will have the similar  SOP.



More ram, is no big deal, so long is within your budget.







harddrive, is good if you can afford bigger ones. For me, I got 256GB SSD
back then, but I have upgraded to 1tb 2 years later. But of course, you need
to reinstall windows but for me, I just clone over.







The rest, I will not comment. But I do have an external USB 3 soundcard by
Creative. I can have multiple input, mic in, aux in and 5.1 output.



But thats an old model already . But 3.5mm jack speaker or sound card is
still around.













Regards,
Thomas N. Chan











On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 01:16, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:



Heck, you could spend an extra thousand dollars just by getting  high end
video and processor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt programs are getting that much bigger.  Since I haven't seen this
elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal
more verification.  And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies
getting more than 8GB for the average user.  You can add this expense and
that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred
dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the
larger drives are faster, does that matter?  What are we talking about,
perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program?  and can you
document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters?
Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the
computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for
RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more  write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say  a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself  doing anything more then  broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards  for one  thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my new
computer.[Jim
















































Re: HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

 

so to do a reset, and no that wont revert you back to windows 8.
first things first, backup all the data you have on c drive.
next, make sure that you ave activation codes for any programs that
require them as the reset will remove all programs, accept the apps
that came with windows.
after you are sure that you have everything saved.
you press windows and i.
press tab once.
go to update and security which is right at the end of the list, so
pressing the end key if you have 1 will directly take you there.
then go to recovery.
and click on reset this pc.
the pc will reboot 2 3 times, you wont have jaws or any screen reader,
but after the pc has rebooted for the first time, just wait for 1 or 2
minutes and press control windows enter, this will launch narrator and
it will give you progress about what is happening.
after resetting you may have to enter microsoft account.
if you dont want to do this, dont connect to wifi or internet via cable.
tell it i dont have internet and continue with limited setup.
after creating a local account and finishing setup, then connect to
internet and again it will ask you to enter a microsoft account, tell
it i will do this later and click on complete setup.
now you will have to reinstall all programs from scratch.

On 4/19/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't remember if or what I said when he asked that. I don't have Windows

10. I don't know how you do a Windows 10 reset. As I recall, another list

member described in detail how it is done. Whether I responded and said I
don't know how it is done, I don't recall. I may not have either as an
oversight or because I saw the explanation from someone else on the list so

I didn't need to respond.

I'm right and yet, you keep insisting I'm not. Prove it? Do a Google
search on Windows 10 reset and learn about it. I don't thing the feature
that a lot of computers have that restores the computer to its factory state

is even called reset and it is not initiated from within Windows. You
initiate it before Windows boots. the procedure is initiated differently on

different brands and models of computer. Reset was one of the new features

in Windows 10 and it received publicity when Windows 10 came out because it

allows you to put a clean copy of Windows 10 on the machine. You shouldn't

have difficulty finding information about it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Gene,
I’m not in any mood to debate with you especially regarding the reset
feature, as we went through all that maybe a month ago. What I meant when I

said you didn't answer Keith was you told him to do a reset, and that would

put a fresh copy of Windows 10 on his PC, and he replied by asking you how
can he do that, and you never replied. This is correct about the reset
feature. You said I was wrong then, and now you're still saying I'm wrong,
but you never can prove I’m wrong! If you want to know more about it, find

it yourself, as I gave all the information to you maybe a month ago. You
said I was wrong then, and you are still saying I am wrong, so prove I’m
wrong! This is the last time I will talk to you about this, as I've been
through all this with you before. You know Gene, if I say black, you will
say white, if I say it's cloudy, you will say it's sunny! Enough is
enough!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of

Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

That is not correct. I don't know what I'm not supposed to have answered.
I think I said awhile ago to try a reset first. The reset in Windows 10 is
a reset of Windows 10. You are confusing that with the reset, or whatever
it
is called, that many computers offer with the original factory files for
everything stored on a different partition of the hard drive. That has
nothing to do with the reset in Windows 10 itself. That reset will put a
clean Windows 10 on the machine. The factory reset, if this computer has
one, will place the original operating system on the machine and whatever
else it came with.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?



Hi Keith,

Ok, I’ve said to myself I wouldn’t get involved with this meaning what Gene
recommended for you to do with your Laptop, and I see he hasn’t answered
you
either. Now Keith, as I’ve discussed this reset feature with you before,
you still are willing to take a chance on using the reset feature, but one
more time, I strongly advise you not to use that reset feature, just for
the
simple fact, that feature is a factory reset, and you need to remember your
Laptop came with Windows 8, so there for, remember your Laptop will just
revert back to Windows 8, so please give this some serious consideration
before doing that. Now, if you still want me to send you the instructions,
just let me know, and I will do so. As far as the safe mode, that will not
give you the option to reset your Laptop to Windows 10 or Windows 8. I
know
you don’t want to hear this, and I don’t blame you, as I wouldn’t want to
hear this either, but I’m telling you the truth. I’m trying to spare you
from more problems than what you currently have, but it’s your choice.



Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?







and how do I go about doing this?







Thanks







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Gene



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:46 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?







Why don't you use the reset option in Windows 10 which doesn't rely on safe
mode and will place a clean Windows 10 on the machine.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 2:33 PM
To: tech talk for the blind
Subject: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?


Hi, I was informed on this list that my installation of windows 10 is most
likely damaged (I have previously posted the slowness using jaws and
windows
10 and th lag and what not on the system.)

I was told that if I enter safe mode, I can choose to either reinstall the
windows 8 that came pre-installed on the laptop, or reinstall windows 10,
since my cousin did the upgrade to windows 10 when microsoft was offering
the upgrade for free from windows 8 to windows 10.


My question is how do I enter safe mode on an HP laptop. I know that some
name brand systems have different safe mode keys taht you have to push and
hold while the system is booting up.

(I hae a netbook that uses the F8 key during startup to enter safe mode.

Anyone have a clue as to what I hold down on my HP laptop to enter safe
mode?

Many thanks

keith




























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Re: HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Gene
 

for clarification, I meant to say reset every time I talked about Windows 10. I said restore at times.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 1:44 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

I did a bit of looking around and I didn't find anything specifically
discussing what we are discussing. I did find an article telling you how to
reset Windows 10 and I am giving that link below. But we are discussing
restoring Windows 10 on a computer that originally had another operating
system on it. Restoring Windows 10 does just that. But if I upgraded or
installed Windows 10 on my laptop, as far as I know, nothing would be done
to get rid of the data on the hidden partition my computer has to restore it
to factory defaults, in other words, to restore it to its factory state, as
it left the factory with Windows 7 and whatever else was placed on the
computer at the factory by the manufacturer. Here are the instructions for
doing so on my computer. As you will see, they have nothing to do with
booting into Windows or restoring a clean copy of a new or upgraded operting
system. As you will also see from the article I linked to below, you can
reset Windows 10 within Windows 10 which will place a clean copy on your
machine.

Remember, instructions for doing what is described below in this manual
excerpt vary depending on brand and model of machine so check to see what
your machine's instructions are. I am reproducing these instructions to
demonstrate what I am saying, not to provide instructions for how you do
this on your computer.

From my Toshiba manual:
To recover the original factory image using the utilities on your
computer’s internal storage drive:

1
Make sure the computer is turned off.

2
Press and hold the 0 (zero) key on your keyboard while
powering on the computer.

3
If your system offers a choice of Windows® 7 32-bit or 64-bit
operating system, select one at this time. If not, skip to step 4.

4
A warning screen appears, stating that when the recovery is

executed all data will be deleted and rewritten. Click Yes to

continue.

5
When the Toshiba Recovery Wizard opens and the Selecting a
process screen displays, select Recovery of Factory Default
Software and then click Next.

6 The Recovery of Factory Default Software screen appears.
Select Recover to out-of-box state.

7 Click Next.

A confirmation message displays reminding you that all data
will be lost during the recovery process. Be sure to save your
work to external media before proceeding (see “Backing up
your work” on page 105).

8 Click Next to begin the recovery.

When the process is complete, a message displays indicating
that the internal storage drive has been recovered.

9 Press any key on the keyboard to restart the computer.

the link below discusses how to reset Windows 10 from within your
installation of Windows 10. It is completely different from what was
described above.
https://www.theverge.com/21264104/windows-10-reset-os-reboot-troubleshoot-microsoft

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 12:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

I don't remember if or what I said when he asked that. I don't have Windows
10. I don't know how you do a Windows 10 reset. As I recall, another list
member described in detail how it is done. Whether I responded and said I
don't know how it is done, I don't recall. I may not have either as an
oversight or because I saw the explanation from someone else on the list so
I didn't need to respond.

I'm right and yet, you keep insisting I'm not. Prove it? Do a Google
search on Windows 10 reset and learn about it. I don't thing the feature
that a lot of computers have that restores the computer to its factory state
is even called reset and it is not initiated from within Windows. You
initiate it before Windows boots. the procedure is initiated differently on
different brands and models of computer. Reset was one of the new features
in Windows 10 and it received publicity when Windows 10 came out because it
allows you to put a clean copy of Windows 10 on the machine. You shouldn't
have difficulty finding information about it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Gene,
I’m not in any mood to debate with you especially regarding the reset
feature, as we went through all that maybe a month ago. What I meant when I
said you didn't answer Keith was you told him to do a reset, and that would
put a fresh copy of Windows 10 on his PC, and he replied by asking you how
can he do that, and you never replied. This is correct about the reset
feature. You said I was wrong then, and now you're still saying I'm wrong,
but you never can prove I’m wrong! If you want to know more about it, find
it yourself, as I gave all the information to you maybe a month ago. You
said I was wrong then, and you are still saying I am wrong, so prove I’m
wrong! This is the last time I will talk to you about this, as I've been
through all this with you before. You know Gene, if I say black, you will
say white, if I say it's cloudy, you will say it's sunny! Enough is enough!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

That is not correct. I don't know what I'm not supposed to have answered.
I think I said awhile ago to try a reset first. The reset in Windows 10 is
a reset of Windows 10. You are confusing that with the reset, or whatever it
is called, that many computers offer with the original factory files for
everything stored on a different partition of the hard drive. That has
nothing to do with the reset in Windows 10 itself. That reset will put a
clean Windows 10 on the machine. The factory reset, if this computer has
one, will place the original operating system on the machine and whatever
else it came with.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?



Hi Keith,

Ok, I’ve said to myself I wouldn’t get involved with this meaning what Gene
recommended for you to do with your Laptop, and I see he hasn’t answered you
either. Now Keith, as I’ve discussed this reset feature with you before,
you still are willing to take a chance on using the reset feature, but one
more time, I strongly advise you not to use that reset feature, just for the
simple fact, that feature is a factory reset, and you need to remember your
Laptop came with Windows 8, so there for, remember your Laptop will just
revert back to Windows 8, so please give this some serious consideration
before doing that. Now, if you still want me to send you the instructions,
just let me know, and I will do so. As far as the safe mode, that will not
give you the option to reset your Laptop to Windows 10 or Windows 8. I know
you don’t want to hear this, and I don’t blame you, as I wouldn’t want to
hear this either, but I’m telling you the truth. I’m trying to spare you
from more problems than what you currently have, but it’s your choice.



Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?







and how do I go about doing this?







Thanks







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Gene



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:46 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?







Why don't you use the reset option in Windows 10 which doesn't rely on safe
mode and will place a clean Windows 10 on the machine.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 2:33 PM
To: tech talk for the blind
Subject: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?


Hi, I was informed on this list that my installation of windows 10 is most
likely damaged (I have previously posted the slowness using jaws and windows
10 and th lag and what not on the system.)

I was told that if I enter safe mode, I can choose to either reinstall the
windows 8 that came pre-installed on the laptop, or reinstall windows 10,
since my cousin did the upgrade to windows 10 when microsoft was offering
the upgrade for free from windows 8 to windows 10.


My question is how do I enter safe mode on an HP laptop. I know that some
name brand systems have different safe mode keys taht you have to push and
hold while the system is booting up.

(I hae a netbook that uses the F8 key during startup to enter safe mode.

Anyone have a clue as to what I hold down on my HP laptop to enter safe
mode?

Many thanks

keith


Re: HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Gene
 

I did a bit of looking around and I didn't find anything specifically discussing what we are discussing. I did find an article telling you how to reset Windows 10 and I am giving that link below. But we are discussing restoring Windows 10 on a computer that originally had another operating system on it. Restoring Windows 10 does just that. But if I upgraded or installed Windows 10 on my laptop, as far as I know, nothing would be done to get rid of the data on the hidden partition my computer has to restore it to factory defaults, in other words, to restore it to its factory state, as it left the factory with Windows 7 and whatever else was placed on the computer at the factory by the manufacturer. Here are the instructions for doing so on my computer. As you will see, they have nothing to do with booting into Windows or restoring a clean copy of a new or upgraded operting system. As you will also see from the article I linked to below, you can reset Windows 10 within Windows 10 which will place a clean copy on your machine.

Remember, instructions for doing what is described below in this manual excerpt vary depending on brand and model of machine so check to see what your machine's instructions are. I am reproducing these instructions to demonstrate what I am saying, not to provide instructions for how you do this on your computer.

From my Toshiba manual:
To recover the original factory image using the utilities on your
computer’s internal storage drive:

1
Make sure the computer is turned off.

2
Press and hold the 0 (zero) key on your keyboard while
powering on the computer.

3
If your system offers a choice of Windows® 7 32-bit or 64-bit
operating system, select one at this time. If not, skip to step 4.

4
A warning screen appears, stating that when the recovery is

executed all data will be deleted and rewritten. Click Yes to

continue.

5
When the Toshiba Recovery Wizard opens and the Selecting a
process screen displays, select Recovery of Factory Default
Software and then click Next.

6 The Recovery of Factory Default Software screen appears.
Select Recover to out-of-box state.

7 Click Next.

A confirmation message displays reminding you that all data
will be lost during the recovery process. Be sure to save your
work to external media before proceeding (see “Backing up
your work” on page 105).

8 Click Next to begin the recovery.

When the process is complete, a message displays indicating
that the internal storage drive has been recovered.

9 Press any key on the keyboard to restart the computer.

the link below discusses how to reset Windows 10 from within your installation of Windows 10. It is completely different from what was described above.
https://www.theverge.com/21264104/windows-10-reset-os-reboot-troubleshoot-microsoft

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 12:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

I don't remember if or what I said when he asked that. I don't have Windows
10. I don't know how you do a Windows 10 reset. As I recall, another list
member described in detail how it is done. Whether I responded and said I
don't know how it is done, I don't recall. I may not have either as an
oversight or because I saw the explanation from someone else on the list so
I didn't need to respond.

I'm right and yet, you keep insisting I'm not. Prove it? Do a Google
search on Windows 10 reset and learn about it. I don't thing the feature
that a lot of computers have that restores the computer to its factory state
is even called reset and it is not initiated from within Windows. You
initiate it before Windows boots. the procedure is initiated differently on
different brands and models of computer. Reset was one of the new features
in Windows 10 and it received publicity when Windows 10 came out because it
allows you to put a clean copy of Windows 10 on the machine. You shouldn't
have difficulty finding information about it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Gene,
I’m not in any mood to debate with you especially regarding the reset
feature, as we went through all that maybe a month ago. What I meant when I
said you didn't answer Keith was you told him to do a reset, and that would
put a fresh copy of Windows 10 on his PC, and he replied by asking you how
can he do that, and you never replied. This is correct about the reset
feature. You said I was wrong then, and now you're still saying I'm wrong,
but you never can prove I’m wrong! If you want to know more about it, find
it yourself, as I gave all the information to you maybe a month ago. You
said I was wrong then, and you are still saying I am wrong, so prove I’m
wrong! This is the last time I will talk to you about this, as I've been
through all this with you before. You know Gene, if I say black, you will
say white, if I say it's cloudy, you will say it's sunny! Enough is enough!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

That is not correct. I don't know what I'm not supposed to have answered.
I think I said awhile ago to try a reset first. The reset in Windows 10 is
a reset of Windows 10. You are confusing that with the reset, or whatever it
is called, that many computers offer with the original factory files for
everything stored on a different partition of the hard drive. That has
nothing to do with the reset in Windows 10 itself. That reset will put a
clean Windows 10 on the machine. The factory reset, if this computer has
one, will place the original operating system on the machine and whatever
else it came with.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?



Hi Keith,

Ok, I’ve said to myself I wouldn’t get involved with this meaning what Gene
recommended for you to do with your Laptop, and I see he hasn’t answered you
either. Now Keith, as I’ve discussed this reset feature with you before,
you still are willing to take a chance on using the reset feature, but one
more time, I strongly advise you not to use that reset feature, just for the
simple fact, that feature is a factory reset, and you need to remember your
Laptop came with Windows 8, so there for, remember your Laptop will just
revert back to Windows 8, so please give this some serious consideration
before doing that. Now, if you still want me to send you the instructions,
just let me know, and I will do so. As far as the safe mode, that will not
give you the option to reset your Laptop to Windows 10 or Windows 8. I know
you don’t want to hear this, and I don’t blame you, as I wouldn’t want to
hear this either, but I’m telling you the truth. I’m trying to spare you
from more problems than what you currently have, but it’s your choice.



Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?







and how do I go about doing this?







Thanks







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Gene



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:46 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?







Why don't you use the reset option in Windows 10 which doesn't rely on safe
mode and will place a clean Windows 10 on the machine.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 2:33 PM
To: tech talk for the blind
Subject: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?


Hi, I was informed on this list that my installation of windows 10 is most
likely damaged (I have previously posted the slowness using jaws and windows
10 and th lag and what not on the system.)

I was told that if I enter safe mode, I can choose to either reinstall the
windows 8 that came pre-installed on the laptop, or reinstall windows 10,
since my cousin did the upgrade to windows 10 when microsoft was offering
the upgrade for free from windows 8 to windows 10.


My question is how do I enter safe mode on an HP laptop. I know that some
name brand systems have different safe mode keys taht you have to push and
hold while the system is booting up.

(I hae a netbook that uses the F8 key during startup to enter safe mode.

Anyone have a clue as to what I hold down on my HP laptop to enter safe
mode?

Many thanks

keith


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Gene
 

I haven't followed developments in SSDs or the price of RAM for quite some time. I had strong opinions about price in terms of people not spending more than they need to unless they actually want to. But in light of the discussion, I have changed my opinions about 16 versus 8gb of RAM unless new information comes up. The price difference may be small enough that it doesn't matter much unless someone is on a very tight budget. While I still doubt that for the typical user the speed difference means muchh, I don't think it matters much for a lot of users what they get.

Regarding SSDs it appears from what John said that they are so common now that that is what people are likely to get anyway and again, while I haven't compared prices of computers, it may not matter much in terms of price anymore, though again, someone on a tight budget may want to look into the question and ask about it here as a part of that.

I hope the discussion was interesting and will help people in deciding what they want.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

If that's the case, then worrying about getting an SSD may not matter much
for a lot of people.

The discussion may have helped people think about whether they want the size
SSD that comes in the machine. There is also the option of getting whatever
size is included and using a USB exgternal drive for extra storage. I don't
know about price comparisons between getting a higher capacity SSD drive and
an external USB one.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Those who really watch money go with the SSD and the lessor of the ram with
a Core i5.
Its going to be hard to find a PC without an SSD at this point anyway.
Especially if new is your jam.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yes, I knew we were discussing 16GB but for some reason, I wasn't thinking
about it correctly. That may mean that the price difference might be
between thirty and fourty-five dollars. That isn't that much money so for a
lot of people, it might not matter. I therefore will say that I was
objecting on the basis of thinking about the question incorrectly.

While I remain skeptical the difference matters to any extent to the average
user, the amount of money isn't much. Those who really have to watch money
may want to not get the extra GB, however.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

It depends on who you buy it from.
Also I'm not sure which programs leak.
Geen, not 16 more GB. No.
We were saying that 8GB is good enough for most people but if you can afford
it having 16GB or more is better.
Less cashing to the drive.
SSDS do have a limited read/write cycles.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 4:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I just looked at a few search results. Are they reflective of current
prices? They indicate that 16gb of RAM costs something like 93 or 98
dollars. That's a lot of money to spend to avoid closing and reopening this
or that program a few hours earlier.

Is that the cost of adding RAM when you purchase a machine?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 2:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I think this needs more discussion. How much does 16 more gb of memory
cost? Why not just close programs now and then if they have memory leaks?
And what programs are known to have memory leaks that are popular and in
common use?

I don't see any general advice from computer advisors to get 16GB of RAM if
you are a typical user. If you spend fifty dollars more, as I said, for
some people that isn't much money. for others, it is a lot. I don't think
such generalizations should be made without discussions of such points.
Let's say, for example, that a certain browser has a memory leak and that
using it for two or three hours can impair performance using 8GB of ram. Is
it worth getting more RAM so you can keep it opened for 6 hours? Why not
just close and reopen it every now and then? Why not the same with other
programs?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 2:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



Hi Everyone,

Thomas says: 8gb is good but 16gb is even better. Memory leak, left over
chunk of program which its not cleanup by windows, that much of ram will
help the virtual files as well. If there's not much writing onto the
harddrive, your SSD or your harddrive will be even happier.



Janet says:

I agree with you one hundred percent!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:55 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





I would always say, what can the original request can afford.



8gb is good but 16gb is even better. Memory leak, left over chunk of program
which its not cleanup by windows, that much of ram will help the virtual
files as well. If there's not much writing onto the harddrive, your SSD or
your harddrive will be even happier.



If you open so many programs example, some of the older or initial or least
program will just be, push down to the virtual swap files.



Those running in the background, will have the similar SOP.



More ram, is no big deal, so long is within your budget.







harddrive, is good if you can afford bigger ones. For me, I got 256GB SSD
back then, but I have upgraded to 1tb 2 years later. But of course, you need
to reinstall windows but for me, I just clone over.







The rest, I will not comment. But I do have an external USB 3 soundcard by
Creative. I can have multiple input, mic in, aux in and 5.1 output.



But thats an old model already . But 3.5mm jack speaker or sound card is
still around.













Regards,
Thomas N. Chan











On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 01:16, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:



Heck, you could spend an extra thousand dollars just by getting high end
video and processor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt programs are getting that much bigger. Since I haven't seen this
elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal
more verification. And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies
getting more than 8GB for the average user. You can add this expense and
that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred
dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the
larger drives are faster, does that matter? What are we talking about,
perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program? and can you
document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters?
Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the
computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for
RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my new
computer.[Jim


Re: HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Gene
 

I don't remember if or what I said when he asked that. I don't have Windows 10. I don't know how you do a Windows 10 reset. As I recall, another list member described in detail how it is done. Whether I responded and said I don't know how it is done, I don't recall. I may not have either as an oversight or because I saw the explanation from someone else on the list so I didn't need to respond.

I'm right and yet, you keep insisting I'm not. Prove it? Do a Google search on Windows 10 reset and learn about it. I don't thing the feature that a lot of computers have that restores the computer to its factory state is even called reset and it is not initiated from within Windows. You initiate it before Windows boots. the procedure is initiated differently on different brands and models of computer. Reset was one of the new features in Windows 10 and it received publicity when Windows 10 came out because it allows you to put a clean copy of Windows 10 on the machine. You shouldn't have difficulty finding information about it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Gene,
I’m not in any mood to debate with you especially regarding the reset feature, as we went through all that maybe a month ago. What I meant when I said you didn't answer Keith was you told him to do a reset, and that would put a fresh copy of Windows 10 on his PC, and he replied by asking you how can he do that, and you never replied. This is correct about the reset feature. You said I was wrong then, and now you're still saying I'm wrong, but you never can prove I’m wrong! If you want to know more about it, find it yourself, as I gave all the information to you maybe a month ago. You said I was wrong then, and you are still saying I am wrong, so prove I’m wrong! This is the last time I will talk to you about this, as I've been through all this with you before. You know Gene, if I say black, you will say white, if I say it's cloudy, you will say it's sunny! Enough is enough!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

That is not correct. I don't know what I'm not supposed to have answered.
I think I said awhile ago to try a reset first. The reset in Windows 10 is
a reset of Windows 10. You are confusing that with the reset, or whatever it
is called, that many computers offer with the original factory files for
everything stored on a different partition of the hard drive. That has
nothing to do with the reset in Windows 10 itself. That reset will put a
clean Windows 10 on the machine. The factory reset, if this computer has
one, will place the original operating system on the machine and whatever
else it came with.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?



Hi Keith,

Ok, I’ve said to myself I wouldn’t get involved with this meaning what Gene
recommended for you to do with your Laptop, and I see he hasn’t answered you
either. Now Keith, as I’ve discussed this reset feature with you before,
you still are willing to take a chance on using the reset feature, but one
more time, I strongly advise you not to use that reset feature, just for the
simple fact, that feature is a factory reset, and you need to remember your
Laptop came with Windows 8, so there for, remember your Laptop will just
revert back to Windows 8, so please give this some serious consideration
before doing that. Now, if you still want me to send you the instructions,
just let me know, and I will do so. As far as the safe mode, that will not
give you the option to reset your Laptop to Windows 10 or Windows 8. I know
you don’t want to hear this, and I don’t blame you, as I wouldn’t want to
hear this either, but I’m telling you the truth. I’m trying to spare you
from more problems than what you currently have, but it’s your choice.



Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?







and how do I go about doing this?







Thanks







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Gene



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:46 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?







Why don't you use the reset option in Windows 10 which doesn't rely on safe
mode and will place a clean Windows 10 on the machine.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 2:33 PM
To: tech talk for the blind
Subject: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?


Hi, I was informed on this list that my installation of windows 10 is most
likely damaged (I have previously posted the slowness using jaws and windows
10 and th lag and what not on the system.)

I was told that if I enter safe mode, I can choose to either reinstall the
windows 8 that came pre-installed on the laptop, or reinstall windows 10,
since my cousin did the upgrade to windows 10 when microsoft was offering
the upgrade for free from windows 8 to windows 10.


My question is how do I enter safe mode on an HP laptop. I know that some
name brand systems have different safe mode keys taht you have to push and
hold while the system is booting up.

(I hae a netbook that uses the F8 key during startup to enter safe mode.

Anyone have a clue as to what I hold down on my HP laptop to enter safe
mode?

Many thanks

keith


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

enes sarıbaş
 

I would think they would. The DACs on newer pcs are terrible quality. Speech or music could sound clearer.  But laptops come with crappy dacs they don't even use soundcards.

On 4/18/2021 11:28 PM, Monte Single wrote:
YHes,

I know why different people use different graphics cards?chips.
I was using it as an example of how the price of a computer can be dramaticly increased with the addition of 1 different component.
The average blind user woujld not appreciate the addition of a high-end sound card either.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

You could, but a midrange graphics card is ok. Blind people have little to no use for graphics.

On 4/18/2021 12:14 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Heck, you could spend an extra thousand dollars just by getting high end video and processor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt programs are getting that much bigger. Since I haven't seen this elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal more verification. And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies getting more than 8GB for the average user. You can add this expense and that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the larger drives are faster, does that matter? What are we talking about, perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program? and can you document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters?
Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write
capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to
worry too much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just
some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual
channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even
if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and
endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel
or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting,
so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use
music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player,
and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and
have been using virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on
my new computer.[Jim




















Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Monte Single
 

YHes,

I know why different people use different graphics cards?chips.
I was using it as an example of how the price of a computer can be dramaticly increased with the addition of 1 different component.
The average blind user woujld not appreciate the addition of a high-end sound card either.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

You could, but a midrange graphics card is ok. Blind people have little to no use for graphics.

On 4/18/2021 12:14 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Heck, you could spend an extra thousand dollars just by getting high end video and processor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt programs are getting that much bigger. Since I haven't seen this elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal more verification. And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies getting more than 8GB for the average user. You can add this expense and that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the larger drives are faster, does that matter? What are we talking about, perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program? and can you document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters?
Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write
capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to
worry too much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just
some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual
channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even
if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and
endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel
or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting,
so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use
music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player,
and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and
have been using virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on
my new computer.[Jim















Re: dropbox pro number of downloads of a file?

John Holcomb II
 

I was under the impression that you couldn’t find this info out.

If this is wrong, somebody correct me.

Thanks,

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of adam morris
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:10 PM
To: tech talk <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] dropbox pro number of downloads of a file?

 

Hi all,
does anyone know how I can find out with the paid version of dropbox how many people have downloaded a specific file?
I've heard this can be done with the paid versions.
Thanks in advance.


-- 
 
Adam Morris
Mobile: 0414 431105
Email, iMessage & FaceTime 
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Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Janet
 

Hi Enes,

That’s good to know.  Thank you, as I didn’t even think of that. 

 

Janet

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

 

Actually one more consideration. If you are a student, you get office 365 free. Even if you aren't technically, you can if your academic e-mail forwards to your personal.

On 4/18/2021 9:38 PM, Janet wrote:

Hi Jim,

Well, I see you got a lot of great advice, and I’m happy to see this.  Some of these guys here wreally know what they are talking about.  Because you’re not paying for this, and you get to pick out what you want on the new Laptop, I would definitely get a 512 SSD, as well as for Memory 16 bgs.  I would also get Office 2019, if you don’t have to pay for a monthly subscription, if someone will pay that for you, I would go with the Office 365, assuming you will be using Office.  As far as a recorder, I don’t use them on my Laptop or desktop, so I can’t advise you on that.  You already said you will be using JAWS 2021.  You said you like using win amp, and you already have that, so there you go!  Smile! If someone else is setting up the Laptop for you, Just remember to get the product key if you’re going to be using MS Office, in case you might need it.   

 

Janet

 

 

Janet

   

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

 

Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my  new computer.[Jim


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

enes sarıbaş
 

Actually one more consideration. If you are a student, you get office 365 free. Even if you aren't technically, you can if your academic e-mail forwards to your personal.

On 4/18/2021 9:38 PM, Janet wrote:

Hi Jim,

Well, I see you got a lot of great advice, and I’m happy to see this.  Some of these guys here wreally know what they are talking about.  Because you’re not paying for this, and you get to pick out what you want on the new Laptop, I would definitely get a 512 SSD, as well as for Memory 16 bgs.  I would also get Office 2019, if you don’t have to pay for a monthly subscription, if someone will pay that for you, I would go with the Office 365, assuming you will be using Office.  As far as a recorder, I don’t use them on my Laptop or desktop, so I can’t advise you on that.  You already said you will be using JAWS 2021.  You said you like using win amp, and you already have that, so there you go!  Smile! If someone else is setting up the Laptop for you, Just remember to get the product key if you’re going to be using MS Office, in case you might need it.   

 

Janet

 

 

Janet

   

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

 

Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my  new computer.[Jim


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

enes sarıbaş
 

Then again, if someone can aford it, an r7/I7 is better. Screen readers are hard on the processor, and processor core lag is noticeable more as a result.

On 4/18/2021 9:37 PM, David Moore wrote:

I aggree with the post below except for one thing! An I 5 processer is great along with the SSD and everything the other poster said!


On Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 1:57 AM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.

On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:

I will let you know as I find out.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

 

Do you forsee yourself  doing anything more then  broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards  for one  thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

 

Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my  new computer.[Jim


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

enes sarıbaş
 

The monthly ones do take a long time even when on an SSD. The time on an HDD is much much longer. I had a new versus old work laptop, during the maintenence window, a windows update took 30-40 minutes to install versus about 5-7  minutes on an SSD.  This is a very big  difference, and the time usually about that long with an HDD.

On 4/18/2021 9:09 PM, Gene wrote:
Are you talking about the six month major upgrades or the monthly ones or both?  I doubt the monthly ones take long enough to matter to any meaningful extent.

As for long boot up times, I can put my computer to sleep and resume operations when I wake it within seconds and I can leave programs opened I am using as well.

I would lose time if I reboot my computer every vfew days to avoid performance problems but I can reboot while I'm doing other things.

I don't know what the difference in price is now between a SSD and a mechanical drive.  I haven't checked for quite some time.

GeneThe updates question is interesting.
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 8:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Gene, look at it this way though.

An SSD has a very significant performance improvement that can only be
experienced for proper context. And the difference will make a
difference in your daily life. A pc booting in 2-3 minutes versus 5
seconds is a massive change. SSDs also don't slow if your pc performs
background tasks like applying updates or installing programs. This also
saves time.  I would pay $1000 for an SSD if prices increased. I would
never use a mechanical spinning drive as primary if someone paid me to
use one.

On 4/18/2021 8:44 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say SSDs don't make a considerable difference.  I said the difference doesn't matter to me and I am not convinced it would be important for many users, depending on how they use a computer.

I don't know the price of an SSD now compared with that of a mechanical drive but if there is still a price difference that matters, depending on what the difference is, I still might not get one in a new computer.

If I did things regularly where the difference really mattered, I would be far more likely to get one even if the cost amounted to something.

If people want speed because they want speed and can afford it, then they may do whatever they want and I wouldn't say anything. But I think that people who recommend things because they are faster should not only discuss that aspect, but what the cost is and where it really matters.

I haven't used one but say it speeds up web page loading by two or three seconds.  I don't know if it does.  If I spend between fifty seconds and two minutes looking at a page and it loads in two seconds instead of five, does three seconds a page matter enough to spend the extra money on an SSD, if there is still a significant difference and depending on my financial situation?

Working on a document in a word processor is almost all time spent working on the document.  the same with streaming.  Time is almost all spent listening to whatever it is.

I don't know enough about mechanical drives to know if this consideration matters, but if I traveled a good deal and used my laptop while traveling, it might make sense to buy an SSD because of badd jolts while traveling, such as a  bad pothole or, though rare, the very bad air pocket.  I don't know how well mechanical drives are protected from such shocks these days. SSDs wouldn't be bothered at all so that may  be another reason to use one.

In short, I object to discussions about speed when people ask what they should get being made without considering these sorts of questions.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both and in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it.  If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is having 10 more unused GB going to matter?  If you have a race car or a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70 miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as I have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second!  With my desktop with 2 TBS
HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than 256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can  future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives.  It is evidently incorrect to refer to them as
digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte
Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days.  It is called octane memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes
saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more  write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say  a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself  doing anything more then  broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards  for one  thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my
new computer.[Jim

















































Re: if you were getting a new computer.

enes sarıbaş
 

The ram performance would be evident in app load times etc. The SSD difference is basicly a 90% difference which is substantial. When copying, installing or removing programs this would be evident. But remember the most important thing is a 1tb SSD lasts longer, so it starts slowing down much later on.

On 4/18/2021 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
I'll assume that is true.  But for what kinds of uses do those speed diffferences make any difference that matters?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 8:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Gene,

It actually does make a huge difference in drives. For example, the 1tb
samsung 970 plus while costing more, has a sustained write speed of 1700
mbps even when cache is exhausted, as opposed to the 900 of the 512 gb
drive, and the 256 goes even lower.

Programs are substantially   using more ram. Browsers and windows itself
is. The price of a ram at a 16 gb level will be just under 100 dollars,
maybe 70 or so, but it changes b based on speed. The price difference
between 8 and 16 gb is negligible. Me, I went all out with a 2x 16 gb
kit for 32 gb to future proof my machine, and because 32 gb has more
memory contacts on higher core pcs and increases performance more.

On 4/18/2021 11:38 AM, Gene wrote:
I doubt programs are getting that much bigger.  Since I haven't seen this elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal more verification.  And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies getting more than 8GB for the average user.  You can add this expense and that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the larger drives are faster, does that matter?  What are we talking about, perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program?  and can you document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters? Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too much about that either.

I’d say  a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself  doing anything more then  broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards  for one  thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my new computer.[Jim
















Re: HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Janet
 

Gene,
I’m not in any mood to debate with you especially regarding the reset feature, as we went through all that maybe a month ago. What I meant when I said you didn't answer Keith was you told him to do a reset, and that would put a fresh copy of Windows 10 on his PC, and he replied by asking you how can he do that, and you never replied. This is correct about the reset feature. You said I was wrong then, and now you're still saying I'm wrong, but you never can prove I’m wrong! If you want to know more about it, find it yourself, as I gave all the information to you maybe a month ago. You said I was wrong then, and you are still saying I am wrong, so prove I’m wrong! This is the last time I will talk to you about this, as I've been through all this with you before. You know Gene, if I say black, you will say white, if I say it's cloudy, you will say it's sunny! Enough is enough!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

That is not correct. I don't know what I'm not supposed to have answered.
I think I said awhile ago to try a reset first. The reset in Windows 10 is
a reset of Windows 10. You are confusing that with the reset, or whatever it
is called, that many computers offer with the original factory files for
everything stored on a different partition of the hard drive. That has
nothing to do with the reset in Windows 10 itself. That reset will put a
clean Windows 10 on the machine. The factory reset, if this computer has
one, will place the original operating system on the machine and whatever
else it came with.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?



Hi Keith,

Ok, I’ve said to myself I wouldn’t get involved with this meaning what Gene
recommended for you to do with your Laptop, and I see he hasn’t answered you
either. Now Keith, as I’ve discussed this reset feature with you before,
you still are willing to take a chance on using the reset feature, but one
more time, I strongly advise you not to use that reset feature, just for the
simple fact, that feature is a factory reset, and you need to remember your
Laptop came with Windows 8, so there for, remember your Laptop will just
revert back to Windows 8, so please give this some serious consideration
before doing that. Now, if you still want me to send you the instructions,
just let me know, and I will do so. As far as the safe mode, that will not
give you the option to reset your Laptop to Windows 10 or Windows 8. I know
you don’t want to hear this, and I don’t blame you, as I wouldn’t want to
hear this either, but I’m telling you the truth. I’m trying to spare you
from more problems than what you currently have, but it’s your choice.



Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?







and how do I go about doing this?







Thanks







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Gene



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:46 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?







Why don't you use the reset option in Windows 10 which doesn't rely on safe
mode and will place a clean Windows 10 on the machine.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 2:33 PM
To: tech talk for the blind
Subject: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?


Hi, I was informed on this list that my installation of windows 10 is most
likely damaged (I have previously posted the slowness using jaws and windows
10 and th lag and what not on the system.)

I was told that if I enter safe mode, I can choose to either reinstall the
windows 8 that came pre-installed on the laptop, or reinstall windows 10,
since my cousin did the upgrade to windows 10 when microsoft was offering
the upgrade for free from windows 8 to windows 10.


My question is how do I enter safe mode on an HP laptop. I know that some
name brand systems have different safe mode keys taht you have to push and
hold while the system is booting up.

(I hae a netbook that uses the F8 key during startup to enter safe mode.

Anyone have a clue as to what I hold down on my HP laptop to enter safe
mode?

Many thanks

keith


dropbox pro number of downloads of a file?

adam morris
 

Hi all,
does anyone know how I can find out with the paid version of dropbox how many people have downloaded a specific file?
I've heard this can be done with the paid versions.
Thanks in advance.

-- 

Adam Morris
Mobile: 0414 431105
Email, iMessage & FaceTime 
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Re: laptop

John Holcomb II
 

Hey there,

I have a laptop from 2006 which started off with XP and then I  put 7 on it.

The hardwhere still works! But 10 won’t run on it.

The only thing I could possibly do is  put Linux on it.

But the Linux would have to support 32-bit.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] laptop

 

Hi, my first laptop a satellite a 300 toshiba lasted for 6 years, then my mom had it for another 4 years, running windows xp or vista. I think. And second machine, lasted almost 5 years, and was windows 7 pro 64 bit with a dvd drive. Gave it to a friend, who is a sighted programmer, and then he put in a new ssd for his mom,  windows 10. Now had to get a new Samsung external ssd drive 500 gb, as my 1 tb Toshiba external  drive, was about to die. Able to copy all files from that. And so got a new assus vivo book with a ssd. First time using that and yes, takes about 30 secs to power up and hear the windows chime and the login screen with jaws. Do have 8 gb ram, do have a spare 8 gb two spare 4 gb slots. Could have used 16 gb, when doing my network course and ran out of memory for running multiple virtual machines. And like to get a new laptop every 6 to 7 years or 5 years. So had this assus a couple of years. Thanks.

Ps: I 3 7 dual quad or quad core, up to 8cores. 2.3 ghz processor, 8 gb ram, 500 gb ssd. One usb 3, two usb 2 ports. 15.inch passive colour I think, or maybe active colour. Not sure. Standard keyboard, built in web cam, mike. Surround sound and using the real tech surround sound app. Two speakers. No card reader.

A good machine.

Excellent sound. And do have windows 10 pro 64 bit, it came with windows 10 home 64 bit 1809. So upgraded it a few times.

Marvin. .


Re: laptop

John Holcomb II
 

You can get PCS with  DVD drives you just have to look for them.

1TB and 2TB SSD drives are still pretty expensive.

 

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] laptop

 

Hi. I would get 16 gb or 32 gb if you can afford it. Try a 1 or 2 tb ssd. And maybe get a 1 or 2 tb ssd external drive. You cannot get a dvd drive built in any more. Hp, Lenovo, assus, del, acer, sells only laptops with no dvd or cd drive. But most people just download if they have a fast stable internet connection.

Also got jaws 2012, latest nvda.

Marvin.

Ps: saw on another list a 4 tb normal external drive, seegate  $107.

Marvin.

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