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Re: Mp3 or Wav Splitter

Eleni Vamvakari
 

Thank you. I will save this information for future use. But I still
have no idea what these markers do or if I can simply hit split when I
find the desired part of the file.

By the way, I just downloaded and installed MP3 Direct Cut and am
totally confused. It has normal menus that read correctly, but I
can't find any way to play the file that I just opened in order to
determine when to split it. Is this not in the regular menus?

On 20/06/2018, Steve Matzura <number6@noisynotes.com> wrote:
No, it does neither.  When you split or join with MP3Mate, or cut with
MP3 Direct Cut, you are dealing with the most basic component of the
compressed-format file, called the frame. Here's a short course on how
this all works and what it all means to the end-user.


A frame of MP3 or Ogg Vorbis audio is not the same as a single sample.
One MP3 or Ogg Vorbis frame may contain several samples. In fact, it
doesn't really contain samples at all. It contains information on how to
tell your audio interface how to reproduce a teeny-tiny slice of audio
that's almost the same as the waveform it came from. but if one were to
decode the instructions that produce the bit of audio, the MP3 or Ogg
frame, on an oscilloscope and compare it to the same segment of the
waveform from whence it came, there would be very subtle differences in
the two traces. This is the portion of audio data that gets thrown away
when a waveform gets saved in a compressed format. MP3DC and MP3Mate
deal with these frames. These programs know how to read MP3 or Ogg files
at the frame level, so they don't need to try to turn them back into the
waveforms from which they came, which isn't possible anyway, and then
re-encode them, which would only degrade the audio a wee bit more every
time it was edited.


Most audio editors like Sound Forge and Gold Wave, to name a couple,
take whatever audio they are given and treat it as sixteen-bit 44.1
kilohertz audio (OK, or maybe twenty-four-bit 48 kilohertz), whether it
is or not. Then, after any editing is done to that audio, and the user
wants to save it in a compressed format like MP3 or Ogg Vorbis, the
audio is processed by an algorithm, or formula, that turns the audio
into that chosen format, thereby losing something in the conversion. You
can listen to what this sounds like by performing the following
experiment. Take any old audio file, load it into your preferred audio
editor, don't do any edits on it, but instead, imeediately save it as a
compressed-format file like MP3 or OGG. then, go back and do it again,
but this time, load the file you just created--let's think of it as song
version 2--and save it in the same way--same file format--as song
version 3. Now, load song version 3 and save it as song version 4. Do
this a few times, and you'll begin to hear some serious degradation in
the audio quality from your first save to your last. That's why audio
file formats like MP3, OGG, WMA,  and probably half a dozen others I
could name, are known as lossy compression formats. They lose something
every time they are created. If the source from which they are created
is already degraded because it was created by saving it in a lossy
format, well, you get the idea. It's like making a recording of a
recording of a recording of a recording. It gets a little crappier every
time.


FLAC and APE file formats do not suffer from this problem. In fact, FLAC
and APE are compressed formats, but the audio isn't compressed, only the
data as stored on disk, much like adding files to a ZIP archive
compresses things--the files inside the archive are still there, totally
untouched, but their size has been reduced by what's called a reversible
algorithm--what comes out is exactly what went in. When a FLAC or APE
file is played, or loaded into an audio editor, the file is uncompressed
in real time, using the same algorithm that compressed it when it was
written to disk, but in reverse, turning it back into the waveform from
which it originally came. This kind of compression is known as
lossless--what you get out is exactly what you put in.


WAV format files are not compressed at all, either in storage or audio
fashion. You can compress them manually by adding them to a RAR, ZIP, or
7Z archive, but the raw audio waveform is unchanged. When the archive is
unpacked, what you get out is exactly what you put in.


On 6/20/2018 9:02 PM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Steve, I really like your description of MP3 Mate! This is exactly
what I want! I will try it. Also, when you say that MP3 Direct Cut
doesn't re-encode, what do you mean? Does it convert the files into a
different format or does it change the bitrate?

On 20/06/2018, Steve Matzura <number6@noisynotes.com> wrote:
MP3 Direct Cut is better for editing portions out of, or inserting them
into, MP3 files, especially when files need to have their ends trimmed
for neatness of production. It doesn't re-encode the MP3 frames; rather,
it allows the user to do the cuts or inserts they want, but it does
those cuts or inserts on MP3 frame boundaries.


On the other hand, MP3Mate is for splitting or joining MP3 files, also
on MP3 frame boundaries with no re-encoding. The Pro edition adds WAV
and WMA filetypes. As the user moves along the timeline, markers are
placed, and later, when the appropriate action button is pressed, the
loaded file is split according to the positions of the markers.


On 6/20/2018 7:17 PM, Gene wrote:
MP3 Direct Cut.  That's also a recording program.  Others may know of
something that is just a splitter.  I vaguely remember seeing
discussion in the past about a program called MP3 split.  But if you
want a very easy program to record and edit MP3 files with, then using
MP3 Cut would seem to make more sense.
Gene
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*Subject:* [TechTalk] Mp3 or Wav Splitter

Does anyone know of accessible, extremely simple software for
splitting mp3s or wavs?  Basically, I'm seeking something where I
could find a certain point in a file, not by entering numbers, but by
listening to it, then split it, thereby creating two or more files.
It should work with Windows XP and 7.  Ideally, it would also be free.

Thanks,
Eleni

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Re: Mp3 or Wav Splitter

Steve Matzura
 

That's interesting that NVDA doesn't read the button labels. JAWS does. I wonder why.


At the top of the MP3Mate window, there are two buttons, one says split, the other says merge. I don't remember which is the default selected mode, so just find the one you want and click it with a screenreader mouse cursor.


To merge files, there is a labeled add button. When clicked, it opens a standard Windows browse dialog, you find the file or files you want to add in the usual manner, press the add button at the end of the dialog, and a list is built. In the tab order, there are buttons to move items in the list up and down, and at the end of the list dialog there's a merge button,  all spoken with JAWS.


Honestly, I've never used the split function, so I'm the wrongest person to explain how that one works.

On 6/20/2018 9:54 PM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
I downloaded the program, and am learning the controls. The one thing
that I immediately noticed is that most of the buttons are unlabeled.
So NVDA just says "button", so I have to guess what most things do,
then start counting the buttons. Perhaps, this can be fixed with an
ad-on. Otherwise, it seems quite easy to use, as I can listen to the
recording and split the mp3s. How do I use start and end markers?
That is, are they used in simple splitting, or are they mostly for
joining files, inserting files, and so on?

On 20/06/2018, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
Steve, I really like your description of MP3 Mate! This is exactly
what I want! I will try it. Also, when you say that MP3 Direct Cut
doesn't re-encode, what do you mean? Does it convert the files into a
different format or does it change the bitrate?

On 20/06/2018, Steve Matzura <number6@noisynotes.com> wrote:
MP3 Direct Cut is better for editing portions out of, or inserting them
into, MP3 files, especially when files need to have their ends trimmed
for neatness of production. It doesn't re-encode the MP3 frames; rather,
it allows the user to do the cuts or inserts they want, but it does
those cuts or inserts on MP3 frame boundaries.


On the other hand, MP3Mate is for splitting or joining MP3 files, also
on MP3 frame boundaries with no re-encoding. The Pro edition adds WAV
and WMA filetypes. As the user moves along the timeline, markers are
placed, and later, when the appropriate action button is pressed, the
loaded file is split according to the positions of the markers.


On 6/20/2018 7:17 PM, Gene wrote:
MP3 Direct Cut.  That's also a recording program.  Others may know of
something that is just a splitter.  I vaguely remember seeing
discussion in the past about a program called MP3 split.  But if you
want a very easy program to record and edit MP3 files with, then using
MP3 Cut would seem to make more sense.
Gene
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Gene
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*Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:38 PM
*To:* main <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* [TechTalk] Mp3 or Wav Splitter

Does anyone know of accessible, extremely simple software for
splitting mp3s or wavs?  Basically, I'm seeking something where I
could find a certain point in a file, not by entering numbers, but by
listening to it, then split it, thereby creating two or more files.
It should work with Windows XP and 7.  Ideally, it would also be free.

Thanks,
Eleni

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Re: Mp3 or Wav Splitter

Steve Matzura
 

No, it does neither.  When you split or join with MP3Mate, or cut with MP3 Direct Cut, you are dealing with the most basic component of the compressed-format file, called the frame. Here's a short course on how this all works and what it all means to the end-user.


A frame of MP3 or Ogg Vorbis audio is not the same as a single sample. One MP3 or Ogg Vorbis frame may contain several samples. In fact, it doesn't really contain samples at all. It contains information on how to tell your audio interface how to reproduce a teeny-tiny slice of audio that's almost the same as the waveform it came from. but if one were to decode the instructions that produce the bit of audio, the MP3 or Ogg frame, on an oscilloscope and compare it to the same segment of the waveform from whence it came, there would be very subtle differences in the two traces. This is the portion of audio data that gets thrown away when a waveform gets saved in a compressed format. MP3DC and MP3Mate deal with these frames. These programs know how to read MP3 or Ogg files at the frame level, so they don't need to try to turn them back into the waveforms from which they came, which isn't possible anyway, and then re-encode them, which would only degrade the audio a wee bit more every time it was edited.


Most audio editors like Sound Forge and Gold Wave, to name a couple, take whatever audio they are given and treat it as sixteen-bit 44.1 kilohertz audio (OK, or maybe twenty-four-bit 48 kilohertz), whether it is or not. Then, after any editing is done to that audio, and the user wants to save it in a compressed format like MP3 or Ogg Vorbis, the audio is processed by an algorithm, or formula, that turns the audio into that chosen format, thereby losing something in the conversion. You can listen to what this sounds like by performing the following experiment. Take any old audio file, load it into your preferred audio editor, don't do any edits on it, but instead, imeediately save it as a compressed-format file like MP3 or OGG. then, go back and do it again, but this time, load the file you just created--let's think of it as song version 2--and save it in the same way--same file format--as song version 3. Now, load song version 3 and save it as song version 4. Do this a few times, and you'll begin to hear some serious degradation in the audio quality from your first save to your last. That's why audio file formats like MP3, OGG, WMA,  and probably half a dozen others I could name, are known as lossy compression formats. They lose something every time they are created. If the source from which they are created is already degraded because it was created by saving it in a lossy format, well, you get the idea. It's like making a recording of a recording of a recording of a recording. It gets a little crappier every time.


FLAC and APE file formats do not suffer from this problem. In fact, FLAC and APE are compressed formats, but the audio isn't compressed, only the data as stored on disk, much like adding files to a ZIP archive compresses things--the files inside the archive are still there, totally untouched, but their size has been reduced by what's called a reversible algorithm--what comes out is exactly what went in. When a FLAC or APE file is played, or loaded into an audio editor, the file is uncompressed in real time, using the same algorithm that compressed it when it was written to disk, but in reverse, turning it back into the waveform from which it originally came. This kind of compression is known as lossless--what you get out is exactly what you put in.


WAV format files are not compressed at all, either in storage or audio fashion. You can compress them manually by adding them to a RAR, ZIP, or 7Z archive, but the raw audio waveform is unchanged. When the archive is unpacked, what you get out is exactly what you put in.

On 6/20/2018 9:02 PM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Steve, I really like your description of MP3 Mate! This is exactly
what I want! I will try it. Also, when you say that MP3 Direct Cut
doesn't re-encode, what do you mean? Does it convert the files into a
different format or does it change the bitrate?

On 20/06/2018, Steve Matzura <number6@noisynotes.com> wrote:
MP3 Direct Cut is better for editing portions out of, or inserting them
into, MP3 files, especially when files need to have their ends trimmed
for neatness of production. It doesn't re-encode the MP3 frames; rather,
it allows the user to do the cuts or inserts they want, but it does
those cuts or inserts on MP3 frame boundaries.


On the other hand, MP3Mate is for splitting or joining MP3 files, also
on MP3 frame boundaries with no re-encoding. The Pro edition adds WAV
and WMA filetypes. As the user moves along the timeline, markers are
placed, and later, when the appropriate action button is pressed, the
loaded file is split according to the positions of the markers.


On 6/20/2018 7:17 PM, Gene wrote:
MP3 Direct Cut.  That's also a recording program.  Others may know of
something that is just a splitter.  I vaguely remember seeing
discussion in the past about a program called MP3 split.  But if you
want a very easy program to record and edit MP3 files with, then using
MP3 Cut would seem to make more sense.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Eleni Vamvakari <mailto:elvam2167@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:38 PM
*To:* main <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* [TechTalk] Mp3 or Wav Splitter

Does anyone know of accessible, extremely simple software for
splitting mp3s or wavs?  Basically, I'm seeking something where I
could find a certain point in a file, not by entering numbers, but by
listening to it, then split it, thereby creating two or more files.
It should work with Windows XP and 7.  Ideally, it would also be free.

Thanks,
Eleni

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Re: braille me now for sale

Charles Adkins
 

Don, wasn't trying to imply that you didn't know what you are talking about, and I don't know everything. There is no right or wrong, its just for me, the display is too noisy, there is nothing to agree or disagree about. If you love what you have and are happy with it that's great for isn't what this is all about? Its so hard to voice opinions on these lists. Nothing personal at all, really! Sorry if you took it that way. 


On Jun 20, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@...> wrote:

Charles, I understand your point. However, even reading braille regardless of whether from hard copy or refreshable device creates noise in the mic such that it could easily be heard.  Incidentally, I too have spent a fair amount of time in recording and radio studios.

Don Roberts


On 6/20/2018 3:03 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:
Donald, disagree all you wish, but I make my living in a broadcast environment and in sound booths and recording studios doing voice work and I will tell you, the refeshing of the display is way to noisy to be used in a studio. With some mics that some studios use you have to be careful where you put braille paper you're using to read coppy because of the noice of fingers going over the braille. I am speeking from experience believe me and not trying to knock a product. 


On Jun 20, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@...> wrote:

I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the noise factor of the Orbit refresh. I own one and am not at all bothered by the refresh sound which is not at all intrusive. I have heard podcasts of the Orbits refresh, and the mic gain was very high when recorded such that one could easily hear the air conditioner fan in the background which was appreciably louder than the Orbit refreshing.
I am not saying you can't hear it, rather that its alleged noise level is exaggerated in my opinion.
Just my opinion.

Don Roberts


On 6/20/2018 11:22 AM, Mich Verrier wrote:

Hi all I have herd the refreshing of the orbit and would be interested in hearing how the braille me refreshiss since I tend to agree with others that the orbit sounds very noizey for shure. From mich.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: June 20, 2018 2:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

Hi everyone:

Yes, it is definitely important to have a braille display that is quiet. Those of us who work with producing various forms of audio need a quiet braille display that won’t make annoying sounds while producing that audio. Others will want quiet braille displays so that they can read silently in various situations.

I am looking forward to observing how these low cost braille displays catch on with the blind community. I am also looking forward to observing how VFO and other companies that make products for the blind will respond to the production and popularity of low-cost braille displays. Will VFL and others lower their prices? It will be interesting to observe what they do.

Victor


On Jun 20, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@...> wrote:

If this has already been mentioned, I apologize for duplicate info.

Regarding Braille Me, Mystic Access recently did a comparison of the Orbit 20 and Braille Me. Granted, the two demos purchased by Mystic Access were beta units, and firmware upgrades were pending at the time of the presentation, however the Braille Me was definitely not ready for prime time. This may well have changed because I cannot believe that National Braille Press would knowingly sell a poorly functioning unit. Also, the Mystic Access units were purchased directly from India.

I am assuming that the Braille Me problems have been resolved, but I just wanted to post a cautionary note.

Don Roberts

On 6/20/2018 8:33 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Thanks Josh, great info. Please report back to us once you have had a chance to compare both displays side by side. A podcast or audio recording if you can do one would be awesome so we can hear both displays in action. I know the Orbit seems to be quite noisy so curious how it compares to the BrailleMe in that respect. Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

Best,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

 

Best,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:20 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

HI,

I was able to call national braille press and buy the new low cost braille me display. what is the difference between orbit reader20 and braille me? Below is a list.

The price: orbit20 costs $474 from american printing house for the blind that includes shipping. without shipping it is $449. Braille me costs $499 plus $16 shipping from national braille press. you have to call them and ask to purchase it so far.

refresh rate: orbit20 can take up to half a second or so to refresh its line of 8 dot 20 braille cells. braille me refreshes instantly just like the older piezoelectric displays.

cursor router buttons: orbit20 does not have cursor router buttons. braille me does in fact have cursor router buttons. So if you need a low cost braille device with cursor router buttons, go for braille me.

cursor: orbit20 shows its cursor with dots 7-8. braille me shows its cursor with either a full cell, dots 1-2-3-4-5-6. or by blinking the unused dots in the cell. like if you have the letter a with the cursor under it. dot 1 stays up, while dots 2-3-4-5-6 blink up and down.

files: braille me only accepts up to a 32gig sd card, only accept .txt brf and brl files. txt and brl files are editable. brf are read only. no size limit on read only brf files. 100kb size limit or about 1000 25 line line 40 cell braille page limit for braille me note taker for each file. but you can always make new editable brl files.

folders: orbit20 supports making new folders while braille me does not.

bookmarks: orbit20 lets you add your own bookmarks. braille me does not not yet but should be in a future update.

autoscroll: orbit20 does not have autoscroll, braille me does have this.

built in translator: orbit20 does not have a built in grade2 translator and back translator. braille me contains its own built in forward and back translators for multiple languages.

size: I hear braille me is a little bigger than orbit20 is... I am excited to try the braille me so i can compare it to the orbit20 and see which is my personal favorite. I bought my braille me a few hours ago and just got the UPS shipping notification an hour or so ago with the tracking number. So now we got two low cost displays out there. orbit20 and braille me.

Both orbit20 and braille me are great choices! Now you just have to ask yourself, which one do I want according to my personal needs? This is not to start a my display is better than your is, flame war on here… Its just to let you know hey braille me is out there, if you want it go call nbp and buy it. Nbp is national braille press.

 

Josh

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 




Re: Mp3 or Wav Splitter

Eleni Vamvakari
 

I downloaded the program, and am learning the controls. The one thing
that I immediately noticed is that most of the buttons are unlabeled.
So NVDA just says "button", so I have to guess what most things do,
then start counting the buttons. Perhaps, this can be fixed with an
ad-on. Otherwise, it seems quite easy to use, as I can listen to the
recording and split the mp3s. How do I use start and end markers?
That is, are they used in simple splitting, or are they mostly for
joining files, inserting files, and so on?

On 20/06/2018, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
Steve, I really like your description of MP3 Mate! This is exactly
what I want! I will try it. Also, when you say that MP3 Direct Cut
doesn't re-encode, what do you mean? Does it convert the files into a
different format or does it change the bitrate?

On 20/06/2018, Steve Matzura <number6@noisynotes.com> wrote:
MP3 Direct Cut is better for editing portions out of, or inserting them
into, MP3 files, especially when files need to have their ends trimmed
for neatness of production. It doesn't re-encode the MP3 frames; rather,
it allows the user to do the cuts or inserts they want, but it does
those cuts or inserts on MP3 frame boundaries.


On the other hand, MP3Mate is for splitting or joining MP3 files, also
on MP3 frame boundaries with no re-encoding. The Pro edition adds WAV
and WMA filetypes. As the user moves along the timeline, markers are
placed, and later, when the appropriate action button is pressed, the
loaded file is split according to the positions of the markers.


On 6/20/2018 7:17 PM, Gene wrote:
MP3 Direct Cut.  That's also a recording program.  Others may know of
something that is just a splitter.  I vaguely remember seeing
discussion in the past about a program called MP3 split.  But if you
want a very easy program to record and edit MP3 files with, then using
MP3 Cut would seem to make more sense.
Gene
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Gene
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*Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:38 PM
*To:* main <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* [TechTalk] Mp3 or Wav Splitter

Does anyone know of accessible, extremely simple software for
splitting mp3s or wavs?  Basically, I'm seeking something where I
could find a certain point in a file, not by entering numbers, but by
listening to it, then split it, thereby creating two or more files.
It should work with Windows XP and 7.  Ideally, it would also be free.

Thanks,
Eleni

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Re: Mp3 or Wav Splitter

Eleni Vamvakari
 

Steve, I really like your description of MP3 Mate! This is exactly
what I want! I will try it. Also, when you say that MP3 Direct Cut
doesn't re-encode, what do you mean? Does it convert the files into a
different format or does it change the bitrate?

On 20/06/2018, Steve Matzura <number6@noisynotes.com> wrote:
MP3 Direct Cut is better for editing portions out of, or inserting them
into, MP3 files, especially when files need to have their ends trimmed
for neatness of production. It doesn't re-encode the MP3 frames; rather,
it allows the user to do the cuts or inserts they want, but it does
those cuts or inserts on MP3 frame boundaries.


On the other hand, MP3Mate is for splitting or joining MP3 files, also
on MP3 frame boundaries with no re-encoding. The Pro edition adds WAV
and WMA filetypes. As the user moves along the timeline, markers are
placed, and later, when the appropriate action button is pressed, the
loaded file is split according to the positions of the markers.


On 6/20/2018 7:17 PM, Gene wrote:
MP3 Direct Cut.  That's also a recording program.  Others may know of
something that is just a splitter.  I vaguely remember seeing
discussion in the past about a program called MP3 split.  But if you
want a very easy program to record and edit MP3 files with, then using
MP3 Cut would seem to make more sense.
Gene
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Gene
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*Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:38 PM
*To:* main <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* [TechTalk] Mp3 or Wav Splitter

Does anyone know of accessible, extremely simple software for
splitting mp3s or wavs?  Basically, I'm seeking something where I
could find a certain point in a file, not by entering numbers, but by
listening to it, then split it, thereby creating two or more files.
It should work with Windows XP and 7.  Ideally, it would also be free.

Thanks,
Eleni

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Re: Mp3 or Wav Splitter

Steve Matzura
 

MP3 Direct Cut is better for editing portions out of, or inserting them into, MP3 files, especially when files need to have their ends trimmed for neatness of production. It doesn't re-encode the MP3 frames; rather, it allows the user to do the cuts or inserts they want, but it does those cuts or inserts on MP3 frame boundaries.


On the other hand, MP3Mate is for splitting or joining MP3 files, also  on MP3 frame boundaries with no re-encoding. The Pro edition adds WAV and WMA filetypes. As the user moves along the timeline, markers are placed, and later, when the appropriate action button is pressed, the loaded file is split according to the positions of the markers.


On 6/20/2018 7:17 PM, Gene wrote:
MP3 Direct Cut.  That's also a recording program.  Others may know of something that is just a splitter.  I vaguely remember seeing discussion in the past about a program called MP3 split.  But if you want a very easy program to record and edit MP3 files with, then using MP3 Cut would seem to make more sense.
 
Gene
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To: main
Subject: [TechTalk] Mp3 or Wav Splitter

Does anyone know of accessible, extremely simple software for
splitting mp3s or wavs?  Basically, I'm seeking something where I
could find a certain point in a file, not by entering numbers, but by
listening to it, then split it, thereby creating two or more files.
It should work with Windows XP and 7.  Ideally, it would also be free.

Thanks,
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Re: Mp3 or Wav Splitter

Steve Matzura
 

MP3Mate, a.k.a. MP3 Splitter and Joiner.

On 6/20/2018 4:38 PM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Does anyone know of accessible, extremely simple software for
splitting mp3s or wavs? Basically, I'm seeking something where I
could find a certain point in a file, not by entering numbers, but by
listening to it, then split it, thereby creating two or more files.
It should work with Windows XP and 7. Ideally, it would also be free.

Thanks,
Eleni


Re: braille me now for sale

Eleni Vamvakari
 

Gene, that must have been quite a loud watch! I have a wind-up
braille watch, and it's extremely quiet.

Ann, when you say that it has no translator, do you mean that, if I
were to use it to read my screen, even in English, it would show
everything in Grade I? Also, I'm a bit confused. What do you mean by
"symbols you have devised"? This isn't anything that I have created,
such as notes in Grade III. The documents would either be saved as
rtf or unicode txt, or I would just be reading from the computer
screen in braille instead of with speech as I do now.

On 20/06/2018, Ann Parsons <akp@sero.email> wrote:
Hi all,

Yes, I connect mine to my computer all the time. Since the Orbit has
no translator in it, it may very well read polytonic Greek. It might
show symbols you have devised for showing the various tones and accent
marks. All I can say is try it.

Ann P.



Original message:
Will either of these displays work with computers via a usb
connection? If so, will they work with Windows XP and 7? Can either
of them be used to read polytonic Greek? I have owned both a Braille
Lite 2000 and an original BrailleNote, and I didn't think that either
of them had a loud display, but I don't work in audio. I was a
student at the time.
On 20/06/2018, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com> wrote:
Charles, I understand your point. However, even reading braille
regardless of whether from hard copy or refreshable device creates noise
in the mic such that it could easily be heard. Incidentally, I too have
spent a fair amount of time in recording and radio studios.
Don Roberts

On 6/20/2018 3:03 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:
Donald, disagree all you wish, but I make my living in a broadcast
environment and in sound booths and recording studios doing voice work
and I will tell you, the refeshing of the display is way to noisy to
be used in a studio. With some mics that some studios use you have to
be careful where you put braille paper you're using to read coppy
because of the noice of fingers going over the braille. I am speeking
from experience believe me and not trying to knock a product.

On Jun 20, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Donald L. Roberts
<donald.roberts99@gmail.com <mailto:donald.roberts99@gmail.com>> wrote:
I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the noise factor
of the Orbit refresh. I own one and am not at all bothered by the
refresh sound which is not at all intrusive. I have heard podcasts of
the Orbits refresh, and the mic gain was very high when recorded such
that one could easily hear the air conditioner fan in the background
which was appreciably louder than the Orbit refreshing.
I am not saying you can't hear it, rather that its alleged noise
level is exaggerated in my opinion.
Just my opinion.
Don Roberts

On 6/20/2018 11:22 AM, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi all I have herd the refreshing of the orbit and would be
interested in hearing how the braille me refreshiss since I tend to
agree with others that the orbit sounds very noizey for shure. From
mich.
*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> *On Behalf
Of *Victor
*Sent:* June 20, 2018 2:06 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale
Hi everyone:
Yes, it is definitely important to have a braille display that is
quiet. Those of us who work with producing various forms of audio
need a quiet braille display that won’t make annoying sounds while
producing that audio. Others will want quiet braille displays so
that they can read silently in various situations.
I am looking forward to observing how these low cost braille
displays catch on with the blind community. I am also looking
forward to observing how VFO and other companies that make products
for the blind will respond to the production and popularity of
low-cost braille displays. Will VFL and others lower their prices?
It will be interesting to observe what they do.
Victor

On Jun 20, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Donald L. Roberts
<donald.roberts99@gmail.com> wrote:
If this has already been mentioned, I apologize for duplicate
info.
Regarding Braille Me, Mystic Access recently did a comparison of
the Orbit 20 and Braille Me. Granted, the two demos purchased by
Mystic Access were beta units, and firmware upgrades were
pending at the time of the presentation, however the Braille Me
was definitely not ready for prime time. This may well have
changed because I cannot believe that National Braille Press
would knowingly sell a poorly functioning unit. Also, the Mystic
Access units were purchased directly from India.
I am assuming that the Braille Me problems have been resolved,
but I just wanted to post a cautionary note.
Don Roberts
On 6/20/2018 8:33 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
Thanks Josh, great info. Please report back to us once you
have had a chance to compare both displays side by side. A
podcast or audio recording if you can do one would be
awesome so we can hear both displays in action. I know the
Orbit seems to be quite noisy so curious how it compares to
the BrailleMe in that respect. Thanks.
Best,
Rick Alfaro
Best,
Rick Alfaro
*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Josh Kennedy
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:20 PM
*To:* main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* [TechTalk] braille me now for sale
HI,
I was able to call national braille press and buy the new
low cost braille me display. what is the difference between
orbit reader20 and braille me? Below is a list.
The price: orbit20 costs $474 from american printing house
for the blind that includes shipping. without shipping it is
$449. Braille me costs $499 plus $16 shipping from national
braille press. you have to call them and ask to purchase it
so far.
refresh rate: orbit20 can take up to half a second or so to
refresh its line of 8 dot 20 braille cells. braille me
refreshes instantly just like the older piezoelectric
displays.
cursor router buttons: orbit20 does not have cursor router
buttons. braille me does in fact have cursor router buttons.
So if you need a low cost braille device with cursor router
buttons, go for braille me.
cursor: orbit20 shows its cursor with dots 7-8. braille me
shows its cursor with either a full cell, dots 1-2-3-4-5-6.
or by blinking the unused dots in the cell. like if you have
the letter a with the cursor under it. dot 1 stays up, while
dots 2-3-4-5-6 blink up and down.
files: braille me only accepts up to a 32gig sd card, only
accept .txt brf and brl files. txt and brl files are
editable. brf are read only. no size limit on read only brf
files. 100kb size limit or about 1000 25 line line 40 cell
braille page limit for braille me note taker for each file.
but you can always make new editable brl files.
folders: orbit20 supports making new folders while braille
me does not.
bookmarks: orbit20 lets you add your own bookmarks. braille
me does not not yet but should be in a future update.
autoscroll: orbit20 does not have autoscroll, braille me
does have this.
built in translator: orbit20 does not have a built in grade2
translator and back translator. braille me contains its own
built in forward and back translators for multiple languages.
size: I hear braille me is a little bigger than orbit20
is... I am excited to try the braille me so i can compare it
to the orbit20 and see which is my personal favorite. I
bought my braille me a few hours ago and just got the UPS
shipping notification an hour or so ago with the tracking
number. So now we got two low cost displays out there.
orbit20 and braille me.
Both orbit20 and braille me are great choices! Now you just
have to ask yourself, which one do I want according to my
personal needs? This is not to start a my display is better
than your is, flame war on here… Its just to let you know
hey braille me is out there, if you want it go call nbp and
buy it. Nbp is national braille press.
Josh
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Re: braille me now for sale

Jack and Bex <jackzip65@...>
 

AgReed!  A low cost braille display is a dream come true for millions of blind and deaf blind people,  all over the world. They are hardly gonna care how loud it is. ;) 

Warmly 
Jack and Becky :-) 

On Jun 20, 2018, at 7:09 PM, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@...> wrote:

This is really getting kind of in the weeds.

I guess it’s good to know in general the loudness of a device when operating it, but something like this is going to be item 16854684135 down the list of things that the vast majority of potential buyers are going to concern themselves with.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

Maybe if the material is too close to the microphone.  I doubt it could be heard if it were on your lap and the microphone is at face level.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 5:57 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

Charles, I understand your point. However, even reading braille regardless of whether from hard copy or refreshable device creates noise in the mic such that it could easily be heard.  Incidentally, I too have spent a fair amount of time in recording and radio studios.

Don Roberts

On 6/20/2018 3:03 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:

Donald, disagree all you wish, but I make my living in a broadcast environment and in sound booths and recording studios doing voice work and I will tell you, the refeshing of the display is way to noisy to be used in a studio. With some mics that some studios use you have to be careful where you put braille paper you're using to read coppy because of the noice of fingers going over the braille. I am speeking from experience believe me and not trying to knock a product. 


On Jun 20, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@...> wrote:

I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the noise factor of the Orbit refresh. I own one and am not at all bothered by the refresh sound which is not at all intrusive. I have heard podcasts of the Orbits refresh, and the mic gain was very high when recorded such that one could easily hear the air conditioner fan in the background which was appreciably louder than the Orbit refreshing.
I am not saying you can't hear it, rather that its alleged noise level is exaggerated in my opinion.
Just my opinion.

Don Roberts

On 6/20/2018 11:22 AM, Mich Verrier wrote:

Hi all I have herd the refreshing of the orbit and would be interested in hearing how the braille me refreshiss since I tend to agree with others that the orbit sounds very noizey for shure. From mich.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: June 20, 2018 2:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

Hi everyone:

Yes, it is definitely important to have a braille display that is quiet. Those of us who work with producing various forms of audio need a quiet braille display that won’t make annoying sounds while producing that audio. Others will want quiet braille displays so that they can read silently in various situations.

I am looking forward to observing how these low cost braille displays catch on with the blind community. I am also looking forward to observing how VFO and other companies that make products for the blind will respond to the production and popularity of low-cost braille displays. Will VFL and others lower their prices? It will be interesting to observe what they do.

Victor


On Jun 20, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@...> wrote:

If this has already been mentioned, I apologize for duplicate info.

Regarding Braille Me, Mystic Access recently did a comparison of the Orbit 20 and Braille Me. Granted, the two demos purchased by Mystic Access were beta units, and firmware upgrades were pending at the time of the presentation, however the Braille Me was definitely not ready for prime time. This may well have changed because I cannot believe that National Braille Press would knowingly sell a poorly functioning unit. Also, the Mystic Access units were purchased directly from India.

I am assuming that the Braille Me problems have been resolved, but I just wanted to post a cautionary note.

Don Roberts


On 6/20/2018 8:33 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Thanks Josh, great info. Please report back to us once you have had a chance to compare both displays side by side. A podcast or audio recording if you can do one would be awesome so we can hear both displays in action. I know the Orbit seems to be quite noisy so curious how it compares to the BrailleMe in that respect. Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

Best,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

 

Best,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:20 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

HI,

I was able to call national braille press and buy the new low cost braille me display. what is the difference between orbit reader20 and braille me? Below is a list.

The price: orbit20 costs $474 from american printing house for the blind that includes shipping. without shipping it is $449. Braille me costs $499 plus $16 shipping from national braille press. you have to call them and ask to purchase it so far.

refresh rate: orbit20 can take up to half a second or so to refresh its line of 8 dot 20 braille cells. braille me refreshes instantly just like the older piezoelectric displays.

cursor router buttons: orbit20 does not have cursor router buttons. braille me does in fact have cursor router buttons. So if you need a low cost braille device with cursor router buttons, go for braille me.

cursor: orbit20 shows its cursor with dots 7-8. braille me shows its cursor with either a full cell, dots 1-2-3-4-5-6. or by blinking the unused dots in the cell. like if you have the letter a with the cursor under it. dot 1 stays up, while dots 2-3-4-5-6 blink up and down.

files: braille me only accepts up to a 32gig sd card, only accept .txt brf and brl files. txt and brl files are editable. brf are read only. no size limit on read only brf files. 100kb size limit or about 1000 25 line line 40 cell braille page limit for braille me note taker for each file. but you can always make new editable brl files.

folders: orbit20 supports making new folders while braille me does not.

bookmarks: orbit20 lets you add your own bookmarks. braille me does not not yet but should be in a future update.

autoscroll: orbit20 does not have autoscroll, braille me does have this.

built in translator: orbit20 does not have a built in grade2 translator and back translator. braille me contains its own built in forward and back translators for multiple languages.

size: I hear braille me is a little bigger than orbit20 is... I am excited to try the braille me so i can compare it to the orbit20 and see which is my personal favorite. I bought my braille me a few hours ago and just got the UPS shipping notification an hour or so ago with the tracking number. So now we got two low cost displays out there. orbit20 and braille me.

Both orbit20 and braille me are great choices! Now you just have to ask yourself, which one do I want according to my personal needs? This is not to start a my display is better than your is, flame war on here… Its just to let you know hey braille me is out there, if you want it go call nbp and buy it. Nbp is national braille press.

 

Josh

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 


Re: braille me now for sale

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Yes, I connect mine to my computer all the time. Since the Orbit has no translator in it, it may very well read polytonic Greek. It might show symbols you have devised for showing the various tones and accent marks. All I can say is try it.

Ann P.



Original message:

Will either of these displays work with computers via a usb
connection? If so, will they work with Windows XP and 7? Can either
of them be used to read polytonic Greek? I have owned both a Braille
Lite 2000 and an original BrailleNote, and I didn't think that either
of them had a loud display, but I don't work in audio. I was a
student at the time.
On 20/06/2018, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com> wrote:
Charles, I understand your point. However, even reading braille
regardless of whether from hard copy or refreshable device creates noise
in the mic such that it could easily be heard. Incidentally, I too have
spent a fair amount of time in recording and radio studios.
Don Roberts

On 6/20/2018 3:03 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:
Donald, disagree all you wish, but I make my living in a broadcast
environment and in sound booths and recording studios doing voice work
and I will tell you, the refeshing of the display is way to noisy to
be used in a studio. With some mics that some studios use you have to
be careful where you put braille paper you're using to read coppy
because of the noice of fingers going over the braille. I am speeking
from experience believe me and not trying to knock a product.

On Jun 20, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Donald L. Roberts
<donald.roberts99@gmail.com <mailto:donald.roberts99@gmail.com>> wrote:
I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the noise factor
of the Orbit refresh. I own one and am not at all bothered by the
refresh sound which is not at all intrusive. I have heard podcasts of
the Orbits refresh, and the mic gain was very high when recorded such
that one could easily hear the air conditioner fan in the background
which was appreciably louder than the Orbit refreshing.
I am not saying you can't hear it, rather that its alleged noise
level is exaggerated in my opinion.
Just my opinion.
Don Roberts

On 6/20/2018 11:22 AM, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi all I have herd the refreshing of the orbit and would be
interested in hearing how the braille me refreshiss since I tend to
agree with others that the orbit sounds very noizey for shure. From
mich.
*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> *On Behalf
Of *Victor
*Sent:* June 20, 2018 2:06 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale
Hi everyone:
Yes, it is definitely important to have a braille display that is
quiet. Those of us who work with producing various forms of audio
need a quiet braille display that won’t make annoying sounds while
producing that audio. Others will want quiet braille displays so
that they can read silently in various situations.
I am looking forward to observing how these low cost braille
displays catch on with the blind community. I am also looking
forward to observing how VFO and other companies that make products
for the blind will respond to the production and popularity of
low-cost braille displays. Will VFL and others lower their prices?
It will be interesting to observe what they do.
Victor

On Jun 20, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Donald L. Roberts
<donald.roberts99@gmail.com> wrote:
If this has already been mentioned, I apologize for duplicate info.
Regarding Braille Me, Mystic Access recently did a comparison of
the Orbit 20 and Braille Me. Granted, the two demos purchased by
Mystic Access were beta units, and firmware upgrades were
pending at the time of the presentation, however the Braille Me
was definitely not ready for prime time. This may well have
changed because I cannot believe that National Braille Press
would knowingly sell a poorly functioning unit. Also, the Mystic
Access units were purchased directly from India.
I am assuming that the Braille Me problems have been resolved,
but I just wanted to post a cautionary note.
Don Roberts
On 6/20/2018 8:33 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
Thanks Josh, great info. Please report back to us once you
have had a chance to compare both displays side by side. A
podcast or audio recording if you can do one would be
awesome so we can hear both displays in action. I know the
Orbit seems to be quite noisy so curious how it compares to
the BrailleMe in that respect. Thanks.
Best,
Rick Alfaro
Best,
Rick Alfaro
*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Josh Kennedy
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:20 PM
*To:* main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* [TechTalk] braille me now for sale
HI,
I was able to call national braille press and buy the new
low cost braille me display. what is the difference between
orbit reader20 and braille me? Below is a list.
The price: orbit20 costs $474 from american printing house
for the blind that includes shipping. without shipping it is
$449. Braille me costs $499 plus $16 shipping from national
braille press. you have to call them and ask to purchase it
so far.
refresh rate: orbit20 can take up to half a second or so to
refresh its line of 8 dot 20 braille cells. braille me
refreshes instantly just like the older piezoelectric displays.
cursor router buttons: orbit20 does not have cursor router
buttons. braille me does in fact have cursor router buttons.
So if you need a low cost braille device with cursor router
buttons, go for braille me.
cursor: orbit20 shows its cursor with dots 7-8. braille me
shows its cursor with either a full cell, dots 1-2-3-4-5-6.
or by blinking the unused dots in the cell. like if you have
the letter a with the cursor under it. dot 1 stays up, while
dots 2-3-4-5-6 blink up and down.
files: braille me only accepts up to a 32gig sd card, only
accept .txt brf and brl files. txt and brl files are
editable. brf are read only. no size limit on read only brf
files. 100kb size limit or about 1000 25 line line 40 cell
braille page limit for braille me note taker for each file.
but you can always make new editable brl files.
folders: orbit20 supports making new folders while braille
me does not.
bookmarks: orbit20 lets you add your own bookmarks. braille
me does not not yet but should be in a future update.
autoscroll: orbit20 does not have autoscroll, braille me
does have this.
built in translator: orbit20 does not have a built in grade2
translator and back translator. braille me contains its own
built in forward and back translators for multiple languages.
size: I hear braille me is a little bigger than orbit20
is... I am excited to try the braille me so i can compare it
to the orbit20 and see which is my personal favorite. I
bought my braille me a few hours ago and just got the UPS
shipping notification an hour or so ago with the tracking
number. So now we got two low cost displays out there.
orbit20 and braille me.
Both orbit20 and braille me are great choices! Now you just
have to ask yourself, which one do I want according to my
personal needs? This is not to start a my display is better
than your is, flame war on here… Its just to let you know
hey braille me is out there, if you want it go call nbp and
buy it. Nbp is national braille press.
Josh
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Re: braille me now for sale

Cristóbal
 

This is really getting kind of in the weeds.

I guess it’s good to know in general the loudness of a device when operating it, but something like this is going to be item 16854684135 down the list of things that the vast majority of potential buyers are going to concern themselves with.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

Maybe if the material is too close to the microphone.  I doubt it could be heard if it were on your lap and the microphone is at face level.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 5:57 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

Charles, I understand your point. However, even reading braille regardless of whether from hard copy or refreshable device creates noise in the mic such that it could easily be heard.  Incidentally, I too have spent a fair amount of time in recording and radio studios.

Don Roberts

On 6/20/2018 3:03 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:

Donald, disagree all you wish, but I make my living in a broadcast environment and in sound booths and recording studios doing voice work and I will tell you, the refeshing of the display is way to noisy to be used in a studio. With some mics that some studios use you have to be careful where you put braille paper you're using to read coppy because of the noice of fingers going over the braille. I am speeking from experience believe me and not trying to knock a product. 


On Jun 20, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@...> wrote:

I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the noise factor of the Orbit refresh. I own one and am not at all bothered by the refresh sound which is not at all intrusive. I have heard podcasts of the Orbits refresh, and the mic gain was very high when recorded such that one could easily hear the air conditioner fan in the background which was appreciably louder than the Orbit refreshing.
I am not saying you can't hear it, rather that its alleged noise level is exaggerated in my opinion.
Just my opinion.

Don Roberts

On 6/20/2018 11:22 AM, Mich Verrier wrote:

Hi all I have herd the refreshing of the orbit and would be interested in hearing how the braille me refreshiss since I tend to agree with others that the orbit sounds very noizey for shure. From mich.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: June 20, 2018 2:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

Hi everyone:

Yes, it is definitely important to have a braille display that is quiet. Those of us who work with producing various forms of audio need a quiet braille display that won’t make annoying sounds while producing that audio. Others will want quiet braille displays so that they can read silently in various situations.

I am looking forward to observing how these low cost braille displays catch on with the blind community. I am also looking forward to observing how VFO and other companies that make products for the blind will respond to the production and popularity of low-cost braille displays. Will VFL and others lower their prices? It will be interesting to observe what they do.

Victor


On Jun 20, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@...> wrote:

If this has already been mentioned, I apologize for duplicate info.

Regarding Braille Me, Mystic Access recently did a comparison of the Orbit 20 and Braille Me. Granted, the two demos purchased by Mystic Access were beta units, and firmware upgrades were pending at the time of the presentation, however the Braille Me was definitely not ready for prime time. This may well have changed because I cannot believe that National Braille Press would knowingly sell a poorly functioning unit. Also, the Mystic Access units were purchased directly from India.

I am assuming that the Braille Me problems have been resolved, but I just wanted to post a cautionary note.

Don Roberts


On 6/20/2018 8:33 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Thanks Josh, great info. Please report back to us once you have had a chance to compare both displays side by side. A podcast or audio recording if you can do one would be awesome so we can hear both displays in action. I know the Orbit seems to be quite noisy so curious how it compares to the BrailleMe in that respect. Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

Best,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

 

Best,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:20 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

HI,

I was able to call national braille press and buy the new low cost braille me display. what is the difference between orbit reader20 and braille me? Below is a list.

The price: orbit20 costs $474 from american printing house for the blind that includes shipping. without shipping it is $449. Braille me costs $499 plus $16 shipping from national braille press. you have to call them and ask to purchase it so far.

refresh rate: orbit20 can take up to half a second or so to refresh its line of 8 dot 20 braille cells. braille me refreshes instantly just like the older piezoelectric displays.

cursor router buttons: orbit20 does not have cursor router buttons. braille me does in fact have cursor router buttons. So if you need a low cost braille device with cursor router buttons, go for braille me.

cursor: orbit20 shows its cursor with dots 7-8. braille me shows its cursor with either a full cell, dots 1-2-3-4-5-6. or by blinking the unused dots in the cell. like if you have the letter a with the cursor under it. dot 1 stays up, while dots 2-3-4-5-6 blink up and down.

files: braille me only accepts up to a 32gig sd card, only accept .txt brf and brl files. txt and brl files are editable. brf are read only. no size limit on read only brf files. 100kb size limit or about 1000 25 line line 40 cell braille page limit for braille me note taker for each file. but you can always make new editable brl files.

folders: orbit20 supports making new folders while braille me does not.

bookmarks: orbit20 lets you add your own bookmarks. braille me does not not yet but should be in a future update.

autoscroll: orbit20 does not have autoscroll, braille me does have this.

built in translator: orbit20 does not have a built in grade2 translator and back translator. braille me contains its own built in forward and back translators for multiple languages.

size: I hear braille me is a little bigger than orbit20 is... I am excited to try the braille me so i can compare it to the orbit20 and see which is my personal favorite. I bought my braille me a few hours ago and just got the UPS shipping notification an hour or so ago with the tracking number. So now we got two low cost displays out there. orbit20 and braille me.

Both orbit20 and braille me are great choices! Now you just have to ask yourself, which one do I want according to my personal needs? This is not to start a my display is better than your is, flame war on here… Its just to let you know hey braille me is out there, if you want it go call nbp and buy it. Nbp is national braille press.

 

Josh

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 


Audio conversion software

Don Risavy, Jr. <djrisavyjr@...>
 

Does anyone have a good accessible audio program for converting music from the iTunes format or think it’s m4p or mp4 format as want to be able to convert what have saved into a format can play on my regular cd player.

Thanks.

Don

 

 

 

 


Re: braille me now for sale

Don Risavy, Jr. <djrisavyjr@...>
 

Where do you find out more about the Braille Me display as have read on and or checked out the Orbit and would like to read up on this one as am going to be looking at buying a low cost braille note taker and want to be able to check out more then one to see what one wil be the best for the money.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

I don't doubt it.  Years ago, in the prehistoric days when people still used ticking watches, at a station in my area, I could hear the ticking of one announcer's watch during pauses in speech.  Perhaps he had a noisier watch than most or perhaps he placed his wrist too close to the microphone but it was an oddity I recall to this day.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 5:03 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

Donald, disagree all you wish, but I make my living in a broadcast environment and in sound booths and recording studios doing voice work and I will tell you, the refeshing of the display is way to noisy to be used in a studio. With some mics that some studios use you have to be careful where you put braille paper you're using to read coppy because of the noice of fingers going over the braille. I am speeking from experience believe me and not trying to knock a product. 


On Jun 20, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@...> wrote:

I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the noise factor of the Orbit refresh. I own one and am not at all bothered by the refresh sound which is not at all intrusive. I have heard podcasts of the Orbits refresh, and the mic gain was very high when recorded such that one could easily hear the air conditioner fan in the background which was appreciably louder than the Orbit refreshing.
I am not saying you can't hear it, rather that its alleged noise level is exaggerated in my opinion.
Just my opinion.

Don Roberts

On 6/20/2018 11:22 AM, Mich Verrier wrote:

Hi all I have herd the refreshing of the orbit and would be interested in hearing how the braille me refreshiss since I tend to agree with others that the orbit sounds very noizey for shure. From mich.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: June 20, 2018 2:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

Hi everyone:

Yes, it is definitely important to have a braille display that is quiet. Those of us who work with producing various forms of audio need a quiet braille display that won’t make annoying sounds while producing that audio. Others will want quiet braille displays so that they can read silently in various situations.

I am looking forward to observing how these low cost braille displays catch on with the blind community. I am also looking forward to observing how VFO and other companies that make products for the blind will respond to the production and popularity of low-cost braille displays. Will VFL and others lower their prices? It will be interesting to observe what they do.

Victor


On Jun 20, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@...> wrote:

If this has already been mentioned, I apologize for duplicate info.

Regarding Braille Me, Mystic Access recently did a comparison of the Orbit 20 and Braille Me. Granted, the two demos purchased by Mystic Access were beta units, and firmware upgrades were pending at the time of the presentation, however the Braille Me was definitely not ready for prime time. This may well have changed because I cannot believe that National Braille Press would knowingly sell a poorly functioning unit. Also, the Mystic Access units were purchased directly from India.

I am assuming that the Braille Me problems have been resolved, but I just wanted to post a cautionary note.

Don Roberts


On 6/20/2018 8:33 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Thanks Josh, great info. Please report back to us once you have had a chance to compare both displays side by side. A podcast or audio recording if you can do one would be awesome so we can hear both displays in action. I know the Orbit seems to be quite noisy so curious how it compares to the BrailleMe in that respect. Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

Best,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

 

Best,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:20 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

HI,

I was able to call national braille press and buy the new low cost braille me display. what is the difference between orbit reader20 and braille me? Below is a list.

The price: orbit20 costs $474 from american printing house for the blind that includes shipping. without shipping it is $449. Braille me costs $499 plus $16 shipping from national braille press. you have to call them and ask to purchase it so far.

refresh rate: orbit20 can take up to half a second or so to refresh its line of 8 dot 20 braille cells. braille me refreshes instantly just like the older piezoelectric displays.

cursor router buttons: orbit20 does not have cursor router buttons. braille me does in fact have cursor router buttons. So if you need a low cost braille device with cursor router buttons, go for braille me.

cursor: orbit20 shows its cursor with dots 7-8. braille me shows its cursor with either a full cell, dots 1-2-3-4-5-6. or by blinking the unused dots in the cell. like if you have the letter a with the cursor under it. dot 1 stays up, while dots 2-3-4-5-6 blink up and down.

files: braille me only accepts up to a 32gig sd card, only accept .txt brf and brl files. txt and brl files are editable. brf are read only. no size limit on read only brf files. 100kb size limit or about 1000 25 line line 40 cell braille page limit for braille me note taker for each file. but you can always make new editable brl files.

folders: orbit20 supports making new folders while braille me does not.

bookmarks: orbit20 lets you add your own bookmarks. braille me does not not yet but should be in a future update.

autoscroll: orbit20 does not have autoscroll, braille me does have this.

built in translator: orbit20 does not have a built in grade2 translator and back translator. braille me contains its own built in forward and back translators for multiple languages.

size: I hear braille me is a little bigger than orbit20 is... I am excited to try the braille me so i can compare it to the orbit20 and see which is my personal favorite. I bought my braille me a few hours ago and just got the UPS shipping notification an hour or so ago with the tracking number. So now we got two low cost displays out there. orbit20 and braille me.

Both orbit20 and braille me are great choices! Now you just have to ask yourself, which one do I want according to my personal needs? This is not to start a my display is better than your is, flame war on here… Its just to let you know hey braille me is out there, if you want it go call nbp and buy it. Nbp is national braille press.

 

Josh

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


Re: Mp3 or Wav Splitter

Gene
 

If you want to learn more advanced features, you can do so.  You have stated a very simple use, manual splitting.  I doubt you have to download anything to do that.  But if you do, you only have to download the Lame encoder and place one file, lameEnc.dll (spelling) in the folder where the program is. 
 
but I don't think you have to do that if you are just going to use it to split a file.
 
for recording, you press the letter r and space. 
 
You don't need the add on for what you have said you want to do.  I don't know if an add on would allow you to get more speech such as have a key to read the current time you are at in the file but you can move to the time display using NVDA review keys.  So it depends if you want to try the add on or not.  It isn't necessary for recording or editing. 
 
You can record using the programs you are using, then edit using NVDA Direct Cut.  How you record is your preference.  But editing and splitting is very easy. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Mp3 or Wav Splitter

How easy is it to use? I use NVDA.  I heard something about needing to
download components in order to be able to work with mp3s, and I know
that there is a whole tutorial as well as an NVDA ad-on to make it
more accessible.  That sounds quite complicated.  As for recording, is
it straight forward like Virtual Recorder or Recordpad?

On 20/06/2018, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> MP3 Direct Cut.  That's also a recording program.  Others may know of
> something that is just a splitter.  I vaguely remember seeing discussion in
> the past about a program called MP3 split.  But if you want a very easy
> program to record and edit MP3 files with, then using MP3 Cut would seem to
> make more sense.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Eleni Vamvakari
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:38 PM
> To: main
> Subject: [TechTalk] Mp3 or Wav Splitter
>
>
> Does anyone know of accessible, extremely simple software for
> splitting mp3s or wavs?  Basically, I'm seeking something where I
> could find a certain point in a file, not by entering numbers, but by
> listening to it, then split it, thereby creating two or more files.
> It should work with Windows XP and 7.  Ideally, it would also be free.
>
> Thanks,
> Eleni
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Re: braille me now for sale

Gene
 

Maybe if the material is too close to the microphone.  I doubt it could be heard if it were on your lap and the microphone is at face level.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

Charles, I understand your point. However, even reading braille regardless of whether from hard copy or refreshable device creates noise in the mic such that it could easily be heard.  Incidentally, I too have spent a fair amount of time in recording and radio studios.

Don Roberts


On 6/20/2018 3:03 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:
Donald, disagree all you wish, but I make my living in a broadcast environment and in sound booths and recording studios doing voice work and I will tell you, the refeshing of the display is way to noisy to be used in a studio. With some mics that some studios use you have to be careful where you put braille paper you're using to read coppy because of the noice of fingers going over the braille. I am speeking from experience believe me and not trying to knock a product. 


On Jun 20, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@...> wrote:

I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the noise factor of the Orbit refresh. I own one and am not at all bothered by the refresh sound which is not at all intrusive. I have heard podcasts of the Orbits refresh, and the mic gain was very high when recorded such that one could easily hear the air conditioner fan in the background which was appreciably louder than the Orbit refreshing.
I am not saying you can't hear it, rather that its alleged noise level is exaggerated in my opinion.
Just my opinion.

Don Roberts


On 6/20/2018 11:22 AM, Mich Verrier wrote:

Hi all I have herd the refreshing of the orbit and would be interested in hearing how the braille me refreshiss since I tend to agree with others that the orbit sounds very noizey for shure. From mich.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: June 20, 2018 2:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

Hi everyone:

Yes, it is definitely important to have a braille display that is quiet. Those of us who work with producing various forms of audio need a quiet braille display that won’t make annoying sounds while producing that audio. Others will want quiet braille displays so that they can read silently in various situations.

I am looking forward to observing how these low cost braille displays catch on with the blind community. I am also looking forward to observing how VFO and other companies that make products for the blind will respond to the production and popularity of low-cost braille displays. Will VFL and others lower their prices? It will be interesting to observe what they do.

Victor


On Jun 20, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@...> wrote:

If this has already been mentioned, I apologize for duplicate info.

Regarding Braille Me, Mystic Access recently did a comparison of the Orbit 20 and Braille Me. Granted, the two demos purchased by Mystic Access were beta units, and firmware upgrades were pending at the time of the presentation, however the Braille Me was definitely not ready for prime time. This may well have changed because I cannot believe that National Braille Press would knowingly sell a poorly functioning unit. Also, the Mystic Access units were purchased directly from India.

I am assuming that the Braille Me problems have been resolved, but I just wanted to post a cautionary note.

Don Roberts

On 6/20/2018 8:33 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Thanks Josh, great info. Please report back to us once you have had a chance to compare both displays side by side. A podcast or audio recording if you can do one would be awesome so we can hear both displays in action. I know the Orbit seems to be quite noisy so curious how it compares to the BrailleMe in that respect. Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

Best,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

 

Best,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:20 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

HI,

I was able to call national braille press and buy the new low cost braille me display. what is the difference between orbit reader20 and braille me? Below is a list.

The price: orbit20 costs $474 from american printing house for the blind that includes shipping. without shipping it is $449. Braille me costs $499 plus $16 shipping from national braille press. you have to call them and ask to purchase it so far.

refresh rate: orbit20 can take up to half a second or so to refresh its line of 8 dot 20 braille cells. braille me refreshes instantly just like the older piezoelectric displays.

cursor router buttons: orbit20 does not have cursor router buttons. braille me does in fact have cursor router buttons. So if you need a low cost braille device with cursor router buttons, go for braille me.

cursor: orbit20 shows its cursor with dots 7-8. braille me shows its cursor with either a full cell, dots 1-2-3-4-5-6. or by blinking the unused dots in the cell. like if you have the letter a with the cursor under it. dot 1 stays up, while dots 2-3-4-5-6 blink up and down.

files: braille me only accepts up to a 32gig sd card, only accept .txt brf and brl files. txt and brl files are editable. brf are read only. no size limit on read only brf files. 100kb size limit or about 1000 25 line line 40 cell braille page limit for braille me note taker for each file. but you can always make new editable brl files.

folders: orbit20 supports making new folders while braille me does not.

bookmarks: orbit20 lets you add your own bookmarks. braille me does not not yet but should be in a future update.

autoscroll: orbit20 does not have autoscroll, braille me does have this.

built in translator: orbit20 does not have a built in grade2 translator and back translator. braille me contains its own built in forward and back translators for multiple languages.

size: I hear braille me is a little bigger than orbit20 is... I am excited to try the braille me so i can compare it to the orbit20 and see which is my personal favorite. I bought my braille me a few hours ago and just got the UPS shipping notification an hour or so ago with the tracking number. So now we got two low cost displays out there. orbit20 and braille me.

Both orbit20 and braille me are great choices! Now you just have to ask yourself, which one do I want according to my personal needs? This is not to start a my display is better than your is, flame war on here… Its just to let you know hey braille me is out there, if you want it go call nbp and buy it. Nbp is national braille press.

 

Josh

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 




Re: Paypal Problems

Jack and Bex <jackzip65@...>
 

Yes!! Nothing but.. ÊI have however had good luck with square cash.  So you  might check that out just for the heck of it.  ;) 
Warmly Ê



Jack and BECKY
:-)  


On Jun 20, 2018, at 3:49 PM, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@...> wrote:

Has anyone had problems using Paypal lately?  If so, what operating
system, screen reader, and browser were you using?  Apparently,
they're changing their system in some way that is making certain
buttons not work with the keyboard.  I use Windows 7, NVDA, and
Firefox for all financial transactions.  Usually, it's 52, but I have
also tried 58, which seems to have its own set of accessibility issues
at times.  I haven't tried 60 yet.  If Paypal is now inaccessible,
what other alternatives are there?  Can I use Google Wallet?

Thanks,
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Re: Amazon music and roaming

Jack and Bex <jackzip65@...>
 

Hi walter! ÊThere is an app designed for this very purpose on the app store it’s called amazon music, and will let you play it on your phone..  HTH..
;)



Jack and BECKY
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On Jun 20, 2018, at 4:05 PM, Walter Ramage via Groups.Io <wpr@...> wrote:

Hi folks.  This is an inquiry on behalf of my sister who is also blind.  Firstly I must inform you that I don’t have an Amazon Echo nor do I have a Amazon music subscription, nor do I have any inclination to obtain one; at least the subscription part that is and thus I have no idea about the accessibility or features involved so please forgive my ignorance. 

 

My sister has the echo and she has the Amazon music subscription, the cheap one, the one where you get 2 million songs.  She listens to the music via her echo but she would like to be able to play the music via her phone when not at home and doesn’t have access to her echo.  She has the Amazon App on her phone but when she is away from home she can’t play any music via her subscription.  Just as I am writing this it came to mind that maybe she has to authorise her phone to play the music.  If this is the case, how does she go about registering her phone for this purpose?  Is there anything else she should be aware of?  I’m assuming she can play her Amazon music while roaming or is that feature only available to more expensive subscriptions?  Any help would be appreciated and I’ll pass them on to her.  With thanks.  Walter.




Re: braille me now for sale

Eleni Vamvakari
 

Will either of these displays work with computers via a usb
connection? If so, will they work with Windows XP and 7? Can either
of them be used to read polytonic Greek? I have owned both a Braille
Lite 2000 and an original BrailleNote, and I didn't think that either
of them had a loud display, but I don't work in audio. I was a
student at the time.

On 20/06/2018, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@gmail.com> wrote:
Charles, I understand your point. However, even reading braille
regardless of whether from hard copy or refreshable device creates noise
in the mic such that it could easily be heard. Incidentally, I too have
spent a fair amount of time in recording and radio studios.

Don Roberts


On 6/20/2018 3:03 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:
Donald, disagree all you wish, but I make my living in a broadcast
environment and in sound booths and recording studios doing voice work
and I will tell you, the refeshing of the display is way to noisy to
be used in a studio. With some mics that some studios use you have to
be careful where you put braille paper you're using to read coppy
because of the noice of fingers going over the braille. I am speeking
from experience believe me and not trying to knock a product.


On Jun 20, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Donald L. Roberts
<donald.roberts99@gmail.com <mailto:donald.roberts99@gmail.com>> wrote:

I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the noise factor
of the Orbit refresh. I own one and am not at all bothered by the
refresh sound which is not at all intrusive. I have heard podcasts of
the Orbits refresh, and the mic gain was very high when recorded such
that one could easily hear the air conditioner fan in the background
which was appreciably louder than the Orbit refreshing.
I am not saying you can't hear it, rather that its alleged noise
level is exaggerated in my opinion.
Just my opinion.

Don Roberts


On 6/20/2018 11:22 AM, Mich Verrier wrote:

Hi all I have herd the refreshing of the orbit and would be
interested in hearing how the braille me refreshiss since I tend to
agree with others that the orbit sounds very noizey for shure. From
mich.

*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> *On Behalf
Of *Victor
*Sent:* June 20, 2018 2:06 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

Hi everyone:

Yes, it is definitely important to have a braille display that is
quiet. Those of us who work with producing various forms of audio
need a quiet braille display that won’t make annoying sounds while
producing that audio. Others will want quiet braille displays so
that they can read silently in various situations.

I am looking forward to observing how these low cost braille
displays catch on with the blind community. I am also looking
forward to observing how VFO and other companies that make products
for the blind will respond to the production and popularity of
low-cost braille displays. Will VFL and others lower their prices?
It will be interesting to observe what they do.

Victor


On Jun 20, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Donald L. Roberts
<donald.roberts99@gmail.com> wrote:

If this has already been mentioned, I apologize for duplicate info.

Regarding Braille Me, Mystic Access recently did a comparison of
the Orbit 20 and Braille Me. Granted, the two demos purchased by
Mystic Access were beta units, and firmware upgrades were
pending at the time of the presentation, however the Braille Me
was definitely not ready for prime time. This may well have
changed because I cannot believe that National Braille Press
would knowingly sell a poorly functioning unit. Also, the Mystic
Access units were purchased directly from India.

I am assuming that the Braille Me problems have been resolved,
but I just wanted to post a cautionary note.

Don Roberts

On 6/20/2018 8:33 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Thanks Josh, great info. Please report back to us once you
have had a chance to compare both displays side by side. A
podcast or audio recording if you can do one would be
awesome so we can hear both displays in action. I know the
Orbit seems to be quite noisy so curious how it compares to
the BrailleMe in that respect. Thanks.

Best,

Rick Alfaro

Best,

Rick Alfaro

*From:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Josh Kennedy
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:20 PM
*To:* main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

HI,

I was able to call national braille press and buy the new
low cost braille me display. what is the difference between
orbit reader20 and braille me? Below is a list.

The price: orbit20 costs $474 from american printing house
for the blind that includes shipping. without shipping it is
$449. Braille me costs $499 plus $16 shipping from national
braille press. you have to call them and ask to purchase it
so far.

refresh rate: orbit20 can take up to half a second or so to
refresh its line of 8 dot 20 braille cells. braille me
refreshes instantly just like the older piezoelectric displays.

cursor router buttons: orbit20 does not have cursor router
buttons. braille me does in fact have cursor router buttons.
So if you need a low cost braille device with cursor router
buttons, go for braille me.

cursor: orbit20 shows its cursor with dots 7-8. braille me
shows its cursor with either a full cell, dots 1-2-3-4-5-6.
or by blinking the unused dots in the cell. like if you have
the letter a with the cursor under it. dot 1 stays up, while
dots 2-3-4-5-6 blink up and down.

files: braille me only accepts up to a 32gig sd card, only
accept .txt brf and brl files. txt and brl files are
editable. brf are read only. no size limit on read only brf
files. 100kb size limit or about 1000 25 line line 40 cell
braille page limit for braille me note taker for each file.
but you can always make new editable brl files.

folders: orbit20 supports making new folders while braille
me does not.

bookmarks: orbit20 lets you add your own bookmarks. braille
me does not not yet but should be in a future update.

autoscroll: orbit20 does not have autoscroll, braille me
does have this.

built in translator: orbit20 does not have a built in grade2
translator and back translator. braille me contains its own
built in forward and back translators for multiple languages.

size: I hear braille me is a little bigger than orbit20
is... I am excited to try the braille me so i can compare it
to the orbit20 and see which is my personal favorite. I
bought my braille me a few hours ago and just got the UPS
shipping notification an hour or so ago with the tracking
number. So now we got two low cost displays out there.
orbit20 and braille me.

Both orbit20 and braille me are great choices! Now you just
have to ask yourself, which one do I want according to my
personal needs? This is not to start a my display is better
than your is, flame war on here… Its just to let you know
hey braille me is out there, if you want it go call nbp and
buy it. Nbp is national braille press.

Josh

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Re: braille me now for sale

Gene
 

I don't doubt it.  Years ago, in the prehistoric days when people still used ticking watches, at a station in my area, I could hear the ticking of one announcer's watch during pauses in speech.  Perhaps he had a noisier watch than most or perhaps he placed his wrist too close to the microphone but it was an oddity I recall to this day.
 
Gene

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Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

Donald, disagree all you wish, but I make my living in a broadcast environment and in sound booths and recording studios doing voice work and I will tell you, the refeshing of the display is way to noisy to be used in a studio. With some mics that some studios use you have to be careful where you put braille paper you're using to read coppy because of the noice of fingers going over the braille. I am speeking from experience believe me and not trying to knock a product. 


On Jun 20, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@...> wrote:

I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the noise factor of the Orbit refresh. I own one and am not at all bothered by the refresh sound which is not at all intrusive. I have heard podcasts of the Orbits refresh, and the mic gain was very high when recorded such that one could easily hear the air conditioner fan in the background which was appreciably louder than the Orbit refreshing.
I am not saying you can't hear it, rather that its alleged noise level is exaggerated in my opinion.
Just my opinion.

Don Roberts


On 6/20/2018 11:22 AM, Mich Verrier wrote:

Hi all I have herd the refreshing of the orbit and would be interested in hearing how the braille me refreshiss since I tend to agree with others that the orbit sounds very noizey for shure. From mich.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: June 20, 2018 2:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

Hi everyone:

Yes, it is definitely important to have a braille display that is quiet. Those of us who work with producing various forms of audio need a quiet braille display that won’t make annoying sounds while producing that audio. Others will want quiet braille displays so that they can read silently in various situations.

I am looking forward to observing how these low cost braille displays catch on with the blind community. I am also looking forward to observing how VFO and other companies that make products for the blind will respond to the production and popularity of low-cost braille displays. Will VFL and others lower their prices? It will be interesting to observe what they do.

Victor


On Jun 20, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Donald L. Roberts <donald.roberts99@...> wrote:

If this has already been mentioned, I apologize for duplicate info.

Regarding Braille Me, Mystic Access recently did a comparison of the Orbit 20 and Braille Me. Granted, the two demos purchased by Mystic Access were beta units, and firmware upgrades were pending at the time of the presentation, however the Braille Me was definitely not ready for prime time. This may well have changed because I cannot believe that National Braille Press would knowingly sell a poorly functioning unit. Also, the Mystic Access units were purchased directly from India.

I am assuming that the Braille Me problems have been resolved, but I just wanted to post a cautionary note.

Don Roberts

On 6/20/2018 8:33 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Thanks Josh, great info. Please report back to us once you have had a chance to compare both displays side by side. A podcast or audio recording if you can do one would be awesome so we can hear both displays in action. I know the Orbit seems to be quite noisy so curious how it compares to the BrailleMe in that respect. Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

Best,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

 

Best,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:20 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] braille me now for sale

 

HI,

I was able to call national braille press and buy the new low cost braille me display. what is the difference between orbit reader20 and braille me? Below is a list.

The price: orbit20 costs $474 from american printing house for the blind that includes shipping. without shipping it is $449. Braille me costs $499 plus $16 shipping from national braille press. you have to call them and ask to purchase it so far.

refresh rate: orbit20 can take up to half a second or so to refresh its line of 8 dot 20 braille cells. braille me refreshes instantly just like the older piezoelectric displays.

cursor router buttons: orbit20 does not have cursor router buttons. braille me does in fact have cursor router buttons. So if you need a low cost braille device with cursor router buttons, go for braille me.

cursor: orbit20 shows its cursor with dots 7-8. braille me shows its cursor with either a full cell, dots 1-2-3-4-5-6. or by blinking the unused dots in the cell. like if you have the letter a with the cursor under it. dot 1 stays up, while dots 2-3-4-5-6 blink up and down.

files: braille me only accepts up to a 32gig sd card, only accept .txt brf and brl files. txt and brl files are editable. brf are read only. no size limit on read only brf files. 100kb size limit or about 1000 25 line line 40 cell braille page limit for braille me note taker for each file. but you can always make new editable brl files.

folders: orbit20 supports making new folders while braille me does not.

bookmarks: orbit20 lets you add your own bookmarks. braille me does not not yet but should be in a future update.

autoscroll: orbit20 does not have autoscroll, braille me does have this.

built in translator: orbit20 does not have a built in grade2 translator and back translator. braille me contains its own built in forward and back translators for multiple languages.

size: I hear braille me is a little bigger than orbit20 is... I am excited to try the braille me so i can compare it to the orbit20 and see which is my personal favorite. I bought my braille me a few hours ago and just got the UPS shipping notification an hour or so ago with the tracking number. So now we got two low cost displays out there. orbit20 and braille me.

Both orbit20 and braille me are great choices! Now you just have to ask yourself, which one do I want according to my personal needs? This is not to start a my display is better than your is, flame war on here… Its just to let you know hey braille me is out there, if you want it go call nbp and buy it. Nbp is national braille press.

 

Josh

 

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