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Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Carolyn Arnold
 

Voice Over can be turned on and off three ways:

Ask Siri
Two-finger double tap to screen
And in Short Cuts, set to where you press Home Button three times, like I have mine set, and that works.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:44 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

TalkBack yes, VoiceOver no, unless you include holding down the HOME button as part of using the touchscreen interface.


On 7/18/2018 5:55 PM, Rob Hudson wrote:
Aman Singer <aman.singer@gmail.com> wrote:
There is
simply no need, these days, to use a touch interface if you don't want to.
Don't you néed the touch interface to turn on voiceover or talkback.



Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Carolyn Arnold
 

Those Hadley videos are really fine. Probably, eventually, feature phones might be a thing of the past, but as long as they are not, why not use one, if that is a person's preferencde?

I like the little newds reminder on my iPhone, and I like the Reminder, so when clothes are in dryer, I can say set reminder for 15 minutes, then go to my computer without having to keep checking about when I should check my clothes.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 2:00 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

For those who are not interested in phones with touch screens, keep in mind that cell phones with buttons and qwerty keyboards may become harder to find as the manufacturers and cell phone carriers may decrease production of phones with keyboards. Flip phones and the like seem to be getting harder to find. As time passes, there may only be one manufacturer of such phones left. However, bluetooth keyboards aren't that expensive and they can be used with phones and tablets.

I found that learning the touch screen for the iPad and the iPhone wasn't too hard because there are so many internet resources. The Hadley videos for iOS are great.

Victor

On 7/18/18, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with you, Gene. I am not intimidated either. It's just that,
in order for me to start using something, and particularly to switch
to it, I have to find a reason to do so. It has to have something
that the other option doesn't. Otherwise, as you said, it will remain
a curiosity. For example, I have now very happily switched to
K-Melion. It's faster and I find the experience far more pleasurable
than using Firefox. I played with Linux, but never truly explored it
enough to feel comfortable with it. Yet I could spend hours reading
about and trying different features in DOS or fixing an issue in XP.
It's all a matter of perspective. I never found touchscreens to be
appealing, except, perhaps, for extremely specific situations such as
tactile graphics, mobility training, etc.

On 19/07/2018, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Intimidation may not be the issue for many people. it may be the
time and effort involved. If I get a smart phone and want to learn
how to use it, I want to learn its use in the fastest, most efficient
way. If keyboards are convenient to use and do everything I want,
that's what I'll probably do.
I
may get curious and learn to use the devices with the touch screen,
but I don't care about it except as a point of curiosity and if I can
do things I want to do well with the keyboard, that would be a far
more efficient use of my time if there were no meaningful difference
in what I could do. If the touch screen is more convenient in
meaningful ways, I may well learn it.
But there has to be some real advantage, not just keeping up with the
sighted Joneses.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions


I finally made up[ my mind, that I was no longer going to be
intimidated by touch screens. I have an iPhone now and continue to
learn. The Hadley videos are a blessing to be sure.

I took my husband's advice and am not trying to learn everything at
once, but I keep learning. I learned about the Today feature today.
I'm going to like that.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aman Singer
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE:
[TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Hi Rob and all,

Rob writes:
Don't you néed the touch interface to turn on voiceover or talkback.

I'm sorry to contradict so flatly, but on iOS, you don't at all, and
on Android, you may but there are usually better ways. To turn
VoiceOver on when using iOS, you can hold down the home or side
button, depending on your phone, and say, once you hear the siri
sound, "turn voiceover on".
You can also configure the accessibility shortcut, triple-tapping the
home or side button, to turn VO on and off, but to do that
configuration accessibly, you will need to have VO running already.
The voice command works from anywhere and any iOS device with siri
enabled, which it is by default. Though it is slower, it is more
universal than the accessibility shortcut. You can also turn VO on
through iTunes, but that's quite a bit of work.
As for Android, you may need to place your two fingers anywhere on
the screen and keep them there to turn talkback on when first setting
up, but this has, in my experience, been a hit and miss thing. It
sometimes works, sometimes doesn't, and sometimes works only when the
phone isn't set up at all. The same may be said of hitting power
until a sound and placing fingers on the screen. It is rom/version
dependent, and I am to the point where, if at all possible, I will
get someone to turn TB on for me and suspend, rather than disable,
when I don't need it. You can, of course, suspend and resume TB very
easily from the keyboard.
On both systems, we who are dependent on braille have serious issues
enabling it, but that has nothing to do with the touch interface. For
the user who is just blind, at least in most cases, enabling the
screen reader is not going to be made significantly harder by a
dislike of touch screens.
Aman



-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 5:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE:
[TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Aman Singer <aman.singer@gmail.com> wrote:
There is
simply no need, these days, to use a touch interface if
you don't want to.

Don't you néed the touch interface to turn on voiceover or talkback.















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Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Carolyn Arnold
 

It seems that really, there are advantages and disadvantages
to anything. These feature phones offer a lot. You can't
check news, stock, temperature, time where your sister is on
vacation, things like that, but you can do those things with
Google on your computer. So, while I have gotten a smart
phone, I see no reason why anyone who prefers not to have
one should have to - like when I quit smoking, I do not rag
those who still do.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE:
[TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Intimidation may not be the issue for many people. it may
be the time and effort involved. If I get a smart phone and
want to learn how to use it, I want to learn its use in the
fastest, most efficient way. If keyboards are convenient to
use and do everything I want, that's what I'll probably do.
I may get curious and learn to use the devices with the
touch screen, but I don't care about it except as a point of
curiosity and if I can do things I want to do well with the
keyboard, that would be a far more efficient use of my time
if there were no meaningful difference in what I could do.
If the touch screen is more convenient in meaningful ways, I
may well learn it. But there has to be some real advantage,
not just keeping up with the sighted Joneses.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE:
[TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

I finally made up[ my mind, that I was no longer going to be
intimidated by touch screens. I have an iPhone now and
continue to learn. The Hadley videos are a blessing to be
sure.

I took my husband's advice and am not trying to learn
everything at once, but I keep learning. I learned about the
Today feature today. I'm going to like that.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aman Singer
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE:
[TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Hi Rob and all,

Rob writes:
Don't you néed the touch interface to turn on voiceover or
talkback.

I'm sorry to contradict so flatly, but on iOS, you don't at
all, and on Android, you may but there are usually better
ways. To turn VoiceOver on when using iOS, you can hold down
the home or side button, depending on your phone, and say,
once you hear the siri sound, "turn voiceover on".
You can also configure the accessibility shortcut,
triple-tapping the home or side button, to turn VO on and
off, but to do that configuration accessibly, you will need
to have VO running already. The voice command works from
anywhere and any iOS device with siri enabled, which it is
by default. Though it is slower, it is more universal than
the accessibility shortcut. You can also turn VO on through
iTunes, but that's quite a bit of work.
As for Android, you may need to place your two fingers
anywhere on the screen and keep them there to turn talkback
on when first setting up, but this has, in my experience,
been a hit and miss thing. It sometimes works, sometimes
doesn't, and sometimes works only when the phone isn't set
up at all. The same may be said of hitting power until a
sound and placing fingers on the screen. It is rom/version
dependent, and I am to the point where, if at all possible,
I will get someone to turn TB on for me and suspend, rather
than disable, when I don't need it. You can, of course,
suspend and resume TB very easily from the keyboard.
On both systems, we who are dependent on braille have
serious issues enabling it, but that has nothing to do with
the touch interface. For the user who is just blind, at
least in most cases, enabling the screen reader is not going
to be made significantly harder by a dislike of touch
screens.
Aman



-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 5:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE:
[TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Aman Singer <aman.singer@gmail.com
<mailto:aman.singer@gmail.com> > wrote:
There is
simply no need, these days, to use a touch interface if
you don't want to.

Don't you néed the touch interface to turn on voiceover or
talkback.


Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Carolyn Arnold
 

My RCA Galileo tablet and my Samsung Folder 2 broke me from wanting a physical keyboard. The thing is that I have the smallest iPhone out there, so my keyboard keys are really really close together. It seems to me sometimes though that the phone keypad characters are far apart.

I do like it though, because it is small, would not want a larger one.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:38 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

I like things with built-in keyboards. If I were to use an external one, I don't want anything which uses bluetooth. From what I heard, Apple products can be used without the touchscreen, but this is not always the case with Android. The thing that I don't like about Apple is the incredible expense and the proprietary nature of everything.
Plus, they want you to update every few years or so, sometimes sooner, which I am against doing.

On 18/07/2018, Pamela Dominguez <geodom@optonline.net> wrote:
How can you use a keyboard that's smmaller than your phone? Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Aman Singer
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 5:54 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Hi Eleni and all,

Eleni writes:

I don't have a modern smartphone, as I hate touchscreens,

I also hate touch screens. Having said that, I have both an Android
phone and an iPhone. I use both every day, and I don't remember the
last time I used the touch screen on either for any significant work.
I have touched them accidentally, and I think I have had to use
Android via touch a few times over the last month or two, but am not
sure even of this. That is, I remember that I needed to use the
Android touch screen recently but don't remember when or with what
app, the event sticks out because it was so unusual. I don't think I
have touched the screen on my iPhone, except by accident, since I
started using the phone again some months ago. There is simply no
need, these days, to use a touch interface if you don't want to.
Keyboards are small and cheap. That is, smaller than the phone and
under $25. There are plenty of excellent reasons not to use a
smartphone. The fact that I use one just means the advantages outweigh
the disadvantages for me, they might not for others. Disliking touch
interfaces, though, isn't one of those reasons against the use of
smartphones. You can use touch as much or as little as you wish.
Aman


-
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 11:22 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Qe wr I
like XP for its simplicity, clean interface, speed, excellent search
function, its version of Windows Explorer, and its lack of ribbons,
libraries, constant program not responding messages, and other issues
that annoy me. I don't have a modern smartphone, as I hate
touchscreens, or a braille display, as they are extremely expensive.
But I have connected computers using the NVDA Remote add-on many
times. I haven't done it using any other software, but I would like
to learn more about that, particularly if it's secure and if I can use
it to transfer files between the two machines. I know of Laplink for
DOS and for Windows, but I have never used it. I'm not one to follow
modern trends either. I use what works for me.

On 15/07/2018, Aman Singer <aman.singer@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I am sorry to have to agree with you about GPD. I looked forward to
seeing what they produced, but the reviews are not encouraging, the
pricing is high, the amount of power is low, and the company's
continued existence is in doubt. Though I like the idea and
form-factor, I won't be buying one, either.
Thanks for the information on XP. Frankly, I don't get the benefit to
XP over 7, though I certainly see the benefit of 7 over 8/10. By
newer motherboards, I meant those without legacy options and which
insist on UEFI and do not allow the older display technology. The
kangaroo is one such, as is the Zotac Zbox PI series. There is no
reason that motherboards with CSM support can't run XP, I am just
seeing that many of the Atom boards (my oldest Atom is a Z3735), just
don't have the option. I have not tried the more esoteric options
like using a UEFI boot loader to load a bios-based system, again, I
just don't see the huge benefit of XP over 7.
Finally, since you're interested in this sort of thing, have you
tried remote control of a higher-powered PC with a lower-powered PC
or phone? That is, establishing keyboard control and braille over the
TCP-IP network and audio over the phone or the same network? If so,
what did you think? This is what I'm doing now, and it puts one in
the best of both worlds, a tiny device to carry around, indefinite
battery life, and control of a machine with decent specs. It's also a
good deal cheaper, using mainstream hardware rather than odd things
like the OQO/Viliv/Umid. Of course remote control has its own
problems, particularly over the mobile phone network, but they are
not huge and I prefer it to trying to get UMPCs to handle what I want of them.
It is, BTW, a pleasure to see someone else doing this sort of thing,
the usual answer I get if and when I ask about installing older
operating systems or getting far more portable hardware is to shut
up, use whatever came with the machine being sold at the local store,
and ignore the bug/privacy/accessibility/portability/battery/other issues.
Technology exists for me, I don't exist for it, if I can get
something which works better for me, I will. It's nice to see someone who agrees.
Aman





-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 3:37 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

All netbooks that I know of use Atom processors. Everything until
the
N2600 works with XP, though it may even be possible to run it on that.
I have an Acer Aspire One D270 with an N2600, and while it is
recommended to use it with 7, someone did find XP drivers for it.
mFrom what I recall, the issue has to do with the graphics card and
perhaps the audio. My Lifebook has an Atom Z530 at 2.0ghz, but I
haven't tried XP on it. I know that the N570 can support it, but I
have never worked with the Z series before now.

As for modern machines, I have two relatively new desktops. The
faster one has a AMD Athlon64 X4 635 Quad core CPU running at
2.90GHZ, and the slower one has a dual core AMD CPU running at
2.7ghz. I don't have either one available at the moment, so I had to
check my e-mails for the specifications. The first has a dual boot of
XP and 7 on a single removable drive and the second has each system
on a separate removable drive. My Travelmate, which is probably
older than the second desktop, has an Intel Core i5-470UM
------------------------------------------------------ running at
1.33ghz.
Like my first desktop, it has a dual-boot installed. All three work
well, and can also handle virtual machines.

It always saddened me that better UMPCs were never made. There are
two new ones available now, the Pocket and the Win, both made by GPD,
but I heard some terrible things about them, including bad customer
service and one unit almost catching fire! Needless to say, I am not
considering buying them. I briefly considered the Viliv N5, some
MBooks, and a few others, but most of these are either underpowered
or unavailable, even on Ebay!

On 14/07/2018, Aman Singer <aman.singer@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

You are, unfortunately, quite right about the Kangaroo refusing to
take 7 or XP. I speak from experience, I do not like any of
Microsoft's newer data collection platforms (sorry, operating
systems), and have attempted to install 7 on the Kangaroo. I have
failed due to an issue with the display system as it presents itself
in UEFI. If you can manage to get XP on an Atom machine, I would be
interested in how and, of course, which processor was being used. My
understanding is that XP cannot be installed on the newer
motherboards due to the requirement for UEFI, USB 3.x, and SATA/AHCI
issues.
I would be pleased to be wrong.
As for the battery, keep in mind the two definitions of new. If the
advertiser means new as in unused, this may not be worth much
because lithium-based batteries degrade over time. If he means new
as in newly made as you mention below, something made by a place
like Batteries Plus, that would obviously be a better setup. Keep in
mind that the casing of the battery may be special, the unit's
batteries were, as I recall, never sold as a publicly available
pack, you had to get it from OQO themselves.
Aman




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Re: downloading with google chrome

Gene
 

That's because save link as or whatever it's called in Chrome, is the same as save target as in Internet Explorer.  It can only save the file if the link leads directly to it.  If scripting is used by the web site to cause the file to be downloaded, it either will download nothing and givbe you an unsupported message, or it will download the actual link itself, as it would have done yesterday. 
 
You need to know how to download by activating the download link as you would by activating a link in the standard way or there will be many times you can't download what you want.
 
I don't use Chrome much and I almost never have downloaded with it.  If you don't get an answer, I can try doing so and see what happens.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] downloading with google chrome

I tried that last night, and it was an mp3 file I was trying to get but
when the dialogue opened the only format it gave me to download in was
.htm, I guess meaning html.


Troy




On 7/19/2018 7:29 AM, Richard wrote:
> Hi Troy,
> When you are focused on a download link, open the context menu, and
> press enter on
> save link as.
> This will open a save as dialogue.
>
> HTH,
> Rick
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy Burnham"
> <troyburnham34@...>
> To: "Tech Talk" <TechTalk@groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 10:36 PM
> Subject: [TechTalk] downloading with google chrome
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> How do I download files with google chrome? With IE I hit alt-n and a
>> dialogue opened up with download, cancel etc but that doesn't work
>> with chrome.
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Troy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Though I play with and use computers, touchscreen smartphones and tablets
daily, I am not a gamer! 97% of my use-case scenario focuses primarily on
how best to deploy each of these tools for business use. For example, which
of these tools make it easy for me to SET UP a POS System?

In my searches thus far, the touchscreen toys are the best! Dollar for
dollar, they are much cheaper and I don't have to deal with screen reader
SMA's. It's much easier for me to approach developers and get them to work
a bit more on making their apps accessible out of the box, no need for
scripts that will cost me somewhere between $200-$250 per hour. Even if I
choose to pay for the scripting of an app, I still DO NOT gain FULL ACCESS
to all of its many parts, just the bare minimum I need for work purposes. I
consider this to be a rip-off on the Windows platform.

I have chosen Android because it closely resembles Windows in my books and
its flexibility means I can throw just about anything at it and get whatever
results I need. Yes, I'd like someday to begin playing with Linux just to
see if I can grasp its concepts and may be torture it some behind the
scenes.

For reasons of accessibility for all, I think devices with buttons should
stick around. However, I'm YELLING FIRE on top of the wrong mountain peak,
good luck with my success on that one! If accessibility could be
incorporated directly at the development and testing stages, that would be
great; for now, it remains an afterthought and I don't believe any
government can genuinely force the hands of manufacturers in this regard.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Aman Singer
 

Hi Carolyn and all,

I'm sorry if I came off as saying that touch screens aren't usable
by blind people. They certainly are, and I'm pleased to hear you're finding
learning yours enjoyable. What I was saying was simply that, if you don't
want to use that particular interface, you don't have to. There is no duty,
moral or practical, to use something you don't like. Again, technology
exists for us, we don't exist for it, if the tool isn't suitable, we get a
better tool. There may be circumstances where the tool is the only thing
available and we can then choose whether to use it or not, but touch
interfaces on smartphones don't fit into that rare situation of being the
only thing available. If you like touch screens, that's great, if you don't,
you can choose not to bother with them.
Aman

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

I finally made up[ my mind, that I was no longer going to be intimidated by
touch screens. I have an iPhone now and continue to learn. The Hadley videos
are a blessing to be sure.

I took my husband's advice and am not trying to learn everything at once,
but I keep learning. I learned about the Today feature today. I'm going to
like that.

Best regards,

Carolyn


Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Hmm, Sis Ileni, I use bluetooth and regular keyboards with my touchscreen,
Shiny Android toys each passing day with no issues.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Steve Matzura
 

TalkBack yes, VoiceOver no, unless you include holding down the HOME button as part of using the touchscreen interface.

On 7/18/2018 5:55 PM, Rob Hudson wrote:
Aman Singer <aman.singer@gmail.com> wrote:
There is
simply no need, these days, to use a touch interface if you don't want to.
Don't you néed the touch interface to turn on voiceover or talkback.


Re: downloading with google chrome

Troy Burnham
 

I tried that last night, and it was an mp3 file I was trying to get but when the dialogue opened the only format it gave me to download in was .htm, I guess meaning html.


Troy

On 7/19/2018 7:29 AM, Richard wrote:
Hi Troy,
When you are focused on a download link, open the context menu, and press enter on
save link as.
This will open a save as dialogue.

HTH,
Rick
----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy Burnham" <troyburnham34@gmail.com>
To: "Tech Talk" <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 10:36 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] downloading with google chrome


Hi all,


How do I download files with google chrome? With IE I hit alt-n and a dialogue opened up with download, cancel etc but that doesn't work with chrome.


Thanks.


Troy







another Office 365 question

Vicki W
 

In considering the purchase of Office 365, if I buy multiple licenses, can I share them with people outside my home and who has access to what files?
 
I am wondering about sharing with my granddaughter who lives in another state and will we have access to each other's files or are they stored in separate private places in the cloud?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 


Re: downloading with google chrome

Richard <thegothot@...>
 

Hi Troy,
When you are focused on a download link, open the context menu, and press enter on
save link as.
This will open a save as dialogue.

HTH,
Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Burnham" <troyburnham34@gmail.com>
To: "Tech Talk" <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 10:36 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] downloading with google chrome


Hi all,


How do I download files with google chrome? With IE I hit alt-n and a dialogue opened up with download, cancel etc but that doesn't work with chrome.


Thanks.


Troy





JAWS newest update works better in more apps!

David Moore
 

                                                                Hi all,

I want you all to know, that the July update of JAWS is working better and is much more snappy with the following apps: Mail app. I am using the mail app completely for the first time with JAWS. I need to use NVDA to do certain tasks with NVDA, and NVDA has been much more snappy in the Mail app. However, thanks to the July update of JAWS 2018, the Mail app works much better with JAWS, and I can do much more in the mail app using JAWS that I had to use NVDA with before.

Next app:

Facebook app.

I sent a post for the first time with the Win10 Facebook app using JAWS.

Fox Sports and Fox news apps:

JAWS now works great in these two apps, and they are totally accessible.

NVDA does not work in these two apps.

Edge:

JAWS now works better in Edge, and is much more snappy in Edge than it ever has been.

That is all I have tried so far with the July update of JAWS 2018.

I am always testing different apps with NVDA and JAWS, and I will always let you know about changes in accessibility, for better, or for worse in many apps.

Take care, all!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Victor
 

For those who are not interested in phones with touch screens, keep in
mind that cell phones with buttons and qwerty keyboards may become
harder to find as the manufacturers and cell phone carriers may
decrease production of phones with keyboards. Flip phones and the
like seem to be getting harder to find. As time passes, there may
only be one manufacturer of such phones left. However, bluetooth
keyboards aren't that expensive and they can be used with phones and
tablets.

I found that learning the touch screen for the iPad and the iPhone
wasn't too hard because there are so many internet resources. The
Hadley videos for iOS are great.

Victor

On 7/18/18, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with you, Gene. I am not intimidated either. It's just that,
in order for me to start using something, and particularly to switch
to it, I have to find a reason to do so. It has to have something
that the other option doesn't. Otherwise, as you said, it will remain
a curiosity. For example, I have now very happily switched to
K-Melion. It's faster and I find the experience far more pleasurable
than using Firefox. I played with Linux, but never truly explored it
enough to feel comfortable with it. Yet I could spend hours reading
about and trying different features in DOS or fixing an issue in XP.
It's all a matter of perspective. I never found touchscreens to be
appealing, except, perhaps, for extremely specific situations such as
tactile graphics, mobility training, etc.

On 19/07/2018, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Intimidation may not be the issue for many people. it may be the time
and
effort involved. If I get a smart phone and want to learn how to use it,
I
want to learn its use in the fastest, most efficient way. If keyboards
are
convenient to use and do everything I want, that's what I'll probably do.
I
may get curious and learn to use the devices with the touch screen, but I
don't care about it except as a point of curiosity and if I can do things
I
want to do well with the keyboard, that would be a far more efficient use
of
my time if there were no meaningful difference in what I could do. If
the
touch screen is more convenient in meaningful ways, I may well learn it.
But there has to be some real advantage, not just keeping up with the
sighted Joneses.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions


I finally made up[ my mind, that I was no longer going to be
intimidated by touch screens. I have an iPhone now and
continue to learn. The Hadley videos are a blessing to be
sure.

I took my husband's advice and am not trying to learn
everything at once, but I keep learning. I learned about the
Today feature today. I'm going to like that.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aman Singer
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE:
[TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Hi Rob and all,

Rob writes:
Don't you néed the touch interface to turn on voiceover or
talkback.

I'm sorry to contradict so flatly, but on iOS, you
don't at all, and on Android, you may but there are usually
better ways. To turn VoiceOver on when using iOS, you can
hold down the home or side button, depending on your phone,
and say, once you hear the siri sound, "turn voiceover on".
You can also configure the accessibility shortcut,
triple-tapping the home or side button, to turn VO on and
off, but to do that configuration accessibly, you will need
to have VO running already. The voice command works from
anywhere and any iOS device with siri enabled, which it is
by default. Though it is slower, it is more universal than
the accessibility shortcut. You can also turn VO on through
iTunes, but that's quite a bit of work.
As for Android, you may need to place your two
fingers anywhere on the screen and keep them there to turn
talkback on when first setting up, but this has, in my
experience, been a hit and miss thing. It sometimes works,
sometimes doesn't, and sometimes works only when the phone
isn't set up at all. The same may be said of hitting power
until a sound and placing fingers on the screen. It is
rom/version dependent, and I am to the point where, if at
all possible, I will get someone to turn TB on for me and
suspend, rather than disable, when I don't need it. You can,
of course, suspend and resume TB very easily from the
keyboard.
On both systems, we who are dependent on braille
have serious issues enabling it, but that has nothing to do
with the touch interface. For the user who is just blind, at
least in most cases, enabling the screen reader is not going
to be made significantly harder by a dislike of touch
screens.
Aman



-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 5:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE:
[TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Aman Singer <aman.singer@gmail.com> wrote:
There is
simply no need, these days, to use a touch interface if
you don't want to.

Don't you néed the touch interface to turn on voiceover or
talkback.















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Re: Bookmarks and K-Melion

Eleni Vamvakari
 

K-Melion has been around since 2000, and has, of course, been updated
since then. Here is the Wikipedia page, which explains its history.
Originally, it was developed by Mozilla.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-Meleon

This is the official site. However, that version hasn't been updated
since 2014 or so. I now see what you mean about it being offline.
Maybe, they're working on it!

http://kmeleonbrowser.org/

This is what I use. Updates can always be found here. Right now, I'm
using the one from 14 July.

http://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/search/label/browser

On 19/07/2018, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@gmx.com> wrote:
Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
After trying it for a few days, I have now completely switched to
K-Melion Goana, except for Ebay, on which I must use Chrome, at least,
for searching.
Okay, whatever is kmelion anyway? The page I found is offline.



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jaws question

Shelly Kane
 

Hi Everyone:


When I logged into my computer tonight, I got this error message from Jaws saying something about the braille verification.  I have no idea what that means but now I am unable to delete my emails as I read them.  I have to close the email and then delete and I could usually read it and then delete it.  When I use spell check, if there is a misspelled word, it would usually spell it out for me and it's not now.  I would appreciate any help you can give. Thanks in advance.

Shelly


Re: Bookmarks and K-Melion

Rob Hudson
 

Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
After trying it for a few days, I have now completely switched to
K-Melion Goana, except for Ebay, on which I must use Chrome, at least,
for searching.
Okay, whatever is kmelion anyway? The page I found is offline.


Re: Bookmarks and K-Melion

Eleni Vamvakari
 

After trying it for a few days, I have now completely switched to
K-Melion Goana, except for Ebay, on which I must use Chrome, at least,
for searching. Anyway, something strange has happened! In XP, I was
able to import my bookmarks from Firefox. I can easily access them
and they work properly. I took the exact same copy of K-Melion that I
had in XP and copied it to my 7 partition, and the bookmarks are gone!
I have no idea why! But given the extreme speed, the lack of the
"program not responding" error, and starting properly with my homepage
instead of something about a toolbar and a blank page, it's a small
price to pay! I just hope that this developer continues to update it
and that the accessibility remains intact.

On 16/07/2018, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@gmail.com> wrote:
It's actually not based on Firefox, which it predates by at least a
year. The last official version and those before it used Gecko and
then Mozilla's XULRunner 24 runtime environment, which I think is used
by the Goana one as well. The interface is also slightly different
from Firefox, and it offers a few extras. Plus, it's incredibly fast,
though to be fair, so is Firefox 57 and later. But they don't work on
XP, while K-Melion does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-Meleon

http://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/search/label/browser

On 16/07/2018, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I wonder why it is so different. Isn't it correct that it is based on
Firefox?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:19 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Bookmarks and K-Melion


Everything that I read about importing bookmarks in K-Melion mentions
using bookmarks.html. But I tried it your way. I was able to create
the json file, but the hotkey didn't work in K-Melion and the import
system is very different. So I exported my bookmarks as an html file,
started K-Melion, and when it asked for my bookmarks file, I pointed
it to the newly-created one and it worked. But I am going to try the
json file with StorURL.

On 16/07/2018, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
You don't use an HTML file when moving bookmarks from one Firefox to
another. I don't mean you don't or can't, I mean it's not the best way
to
do it.

Open Firefox.
Issue the command control shift b.
A window opens that is part of the library. It doesn't matter what it
is
for this purpose. It's important because you can get to the correct
menu
here.
Press alt.
Right arrow to import and backup.
Down arrow to Backup and press enter.
A save as dialog opens. Name the file whatever you want but you must
preserve the extension.
It is a standard save as dialog. Save the file where you want.

Close the window afterword with alt f4.

Then close the program unless you want it opened for some reason.
Open the program you want to import the book marks to. Since this
program
is based on Firefox code, follow the same procedure for the most part.
Use control b, open the menus, find import and down arrow to the restore
submenu.
Press enter and look through the submenu. Open what is appropriate and
do
what is appropriate to restore the book marks to that program. If you
have
problems or questions, let us know.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 10:40 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Bookmarks and K-Melion


I think I'll need to use the regular version to do that, since nothing
seems to be able to use the bookmarks.html file in Firefox Portable
except Firefox itself. XMarks has been discontinued, but I found
something else called StorURL, which has both a portable and an online
version. Judging by my preliminary testing, the portable one seems
accessible, and both versions can be used with all browsers.

On 15/07/2018, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Isn't this a variation of Firefox designed by someone? Have you tried
the
import and backup method in Firefox and checked to see if it is
available
in
K-Melion Goanna

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 4:57 PM
To: main
Subject: [TechTalk] Bookmarks and K-Melion


Does anyone know how I can import my bookmarks from Firefox ESR 52.9.0
Portable into K-Melion Goanna? I tried going to the data/profile
folder, copying the bookmarks.html file, and inserting it into the
K-Melion folder, but that didn't help. Will K-Melion work with
XMarks? If not, is there accessible book-marking software that will
work with it, Firefox, and possibly Chrome?

Thanks,
Eleni

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Re: Changing Windows Explorer

Eleni Vamvakari
 

I resolved my issue by performing a system recovery back to the state
the computer was in when I first received it. I have since made a few
modifications and created a new backup, after deleting my previous
"new" one. The issues seem to have disappeared. But I was reviewing
and erasing files on my computer today, and I found some from a few
years ago describing very similar problems, so this is not new with
me. I just wish I knew why it starts happening after a while. I will
try to monitor it, and should it start again, I will take note of
whether I installed anything new, or whether Windows updated itself.
I think that last might be part of the issue, for some strange reason.

On 17/07/2018, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I think I know why you are having the tree view problem. Rarely, I run
across a program where a browse dialog only displays files and folders in a
tree view. I don't know why, but, since it only happens with specific
programs, it is the program itself that is causing the behavior and not
Windows 7.

As far as not displaying the file you want in a browse dialog, I don't know
why. Since I never have that problem unless, for some reason, the file type
isn't compabible with the program in some way and since I don't ever recall
hearing of this problem before, except perhaps in specific programs, it
isn't a general Windows 7 problem. There may be a problem with your Windows
7, but I think you said you have this problem on more than one machine so I
would think the problem has another cause.

In the case of the browser, you said it is a very old program, so old that
it is even before Firefox was released. Perhaps there is some
incompatibility with what the program is looking for. Perhaps there is
something in the dialog that must be selected or set differently because the
program may be expecting another file.

Again, I don't know the reasons for all the problems you report. I've used
Windows 7 since 2011 and I've been on lists like this one since the late
nineties. I seldom hear any of those complaints. You may not want to do
this, but I suggest you have a conference with a very skilled and
knowledgeable instructor. I can recommend a possible person, one of the
best in the business from my own experience and from materials I've read
which she has created.

You need to categorically find out what problems are specific to your
computer or computers for some reason, which problems can be done away with
by changing settings or how you do something and which, if any, are problems
with Windows 7 itself.

As I said, a problem like the program not responding message is a Windows 7
problem and it can be dealt with by ignoring it most of the time and waiting
for the program to do whatever it is supposed to do.

Like it or not, if you continue to use Windows, you will have to use Windows
7 increasingly over time as Windows XP becomes increasingly less usable.
Doesn't it make sense to find out how to deal with these problems in ways
other than blaming Windows 7 or specific components such as Windows
Explorer? Yes, there are other file managers and you may find one you like
better. That doesn't mean that the problem you reported and attribute to
the file manager has anything to do with the file manager. It acccomplishes
nothing to assume that problems are the fault of Windows 7 and may
significantly impede finding solutions. If you ask the wrong questions and
make the wrong assumptions, you won't find the right answers. That is true
in every aspect of inquiry, including computer problems and questions.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Windows Explorer


I don't know why that is. I use open with dialogs in Windows 7 and have no
such problems.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:45 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Windows Explorer


When I normally go into a folder, it displays correctly. But when
software requests a file, such as the Open With prompt, it starts
displaying things in a tree view. When you first start K-Melion a
Netscape bookmarks prompt opens. It asks you if you wish to import
bookmarks or to create a new file. If you choose import, you have to
browse to the folder where your html file is located. At least I did.
This might not have been the case if I used an installed version of
Firefox. Anyway, when I found the folder, it wouldn't show me the
file that I needed, even though I knew it was there. This is the same
problem that I have whenever any program asks me to browse for a file.
For example, if I want VmWare Player to use an iso file for the cd
rom, I have to browse to it, and the same thing happens. When I want
to open a specific file in any program and have to browse for it, this
happens. Sometimes, it will display the file and work correctly, but
more often, it won't. Oddly enough, when I use my System Recovery
disk and have to tell it where to find my .adi file to recover the
system, or if I am creating a backup and need to tell it where to save
the new file, it works fine. By the way, this is not just on my
laptop. I have them on other machines as well.

On 16/07/2018, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't know how you are opening Windows Explorer and I don't know what
settings you or the person who built your computer are using. I can open
Windows explorer and tab to the list. There may be a setting to
determine
whether a list is displayed or just a treeview. I don't know of such a
setting.

I'm not sure I understand the other problem.

I don't know what you mean by you tried to point the program to your
firefox
book mark file. Without using an add on, I've never heard of any way of
using book marks than to import them into the program.

As for other problems with file association, I'm not sure why you are
having
them.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:14 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Windows Explorer


I don't only have this issue when associating programs, but in those
cases, I know that the ones I wish to use will work, because I can
occasionally make Windows find the specified files and set them
correctly. Of course, once that's done, I don't need to do it again.
At anr ate, I have this same issue when looking for files as well.
For instance, I tried to point K-Melion to my Firefox bookmarks.html
file but it wouldn't find it, even though I actually went into the
folder and found it that way. Both are portable apps that are
compatible with 7, but even if I used an installed version of Firefox,
the same thing would have happened. I have used at least one
replacement for Windows Explorer, called Explorer+, but even when I
tried the regular installed version, it never became my default
program in cases like this. I wish there was a way to replace this
one with the one from XP. I don't know why its doing this either. It
makes no sense. Tabbing doesn't help. It just goes to the other
fields like file name, save, etc. and of course, the fields don't
always speak, and there are ones which just cause clutter. Microsoft
just complicated things that worked correctly and were simple. It's
the same with the search function, which is wonderful in XP but a joke
in 7. I don't mean searching for programs, but for files.

On 16/07/2018, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
You say you usually use portable programs. Since portable programs
don't
write to the registry, you can't associate them. Are you using portable
programs in these cases? At times, an old program or an older version
of
a
program is somehow not fully compatible with Windows 7 and you can't
associate certain file types or perhaps not any. This is evidently a
registry incompatibility since the ability to associate file types with
a
specific program is created in the registry. Of course, I'm talking
about
using installed programs in this part of my comments.

In this or that way, XP is superior. When moving through a list of
files,
Windows 7 is annoyingly slower when moving in a list, to speak the item
you
have moved to.

Windows 7, at times, gives a program not responding message when the
program
is responding. But the program may take time to do whatever it needs to
do
to respond to a command. Wait when this happens for perhaps thirty
seconds
and see what happens. There are times when a program crashes and its
obvious. There are many times when the not responding message is not
accurate.

But in general, Windows 7 works as well and in some ways better than XP.
I
don't know why you just see a tree view. What happens when you tab
once?
Why do libraries open? I'm not sure what you are doing. You can cause
whatever you want to open not as a library. Instead of villifying
Windows
7, I would suggest getting good instructional material for Windows 7.
If
Windows 7 were that bad, it wouldn't be as popular as it is with blind
users.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 10:43 AM
To: main
Subject: [TechTalk] Changing Windows Explorer


Is there any way to permenantly alter Windows Explorer in Windows 7 so
that the new software or file will be used every time Explorer is
needed? Every single time I have to tell a program to use or to find
a certain file, such as in Open With, or importing a file from another
folder, it can never find it, unless I happen to be lucky. Let's say
I want to open mp3s with MPCHC. I know that the mpchc.exe file is in
a particular folder. I can get to it regularly. But when I have to
find it to change the Open With preference, it's never displayed. The
same thing happened today when I needed to find a bookmarks.html file.
I could reach it normally and open it, but not through the software!
Furthermore, Windows always starts me in Libraries, and when I browse
to the necessary folder, everything is in a tree view, where things
need to be expanded, instead of a normal view. Sometimes, using
Narrator instead of NVDA helps, but I am really getting sick of this!
It has gotten to the point where I try to avoid these situations as
much as possible or just use XP for those thing.

Thanks,
Eleni

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Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Eleni Vamvakari
 

I agree with you, Gene. I am not intimidated either. It's just that,
in order for me to start using something, and particularly to switch
to it, I have to find a reason to do so. It has to have something
that the other option doesn't. Otherwise, as you said, it will remain
a curiosity. For example, I have now very happily switched to
K-Melion. It's faster and I find the experience far more pleasurable
than using Firefox. I played with Linux, but never truly explored it
enough to feel comfortable with it. Yet I could spend hours reading
about and trying different features in DOS or fixing an issue in XP.
It's all a matter of perspective. I never found touchscreens to be
appealing, except, perhaps, for extremely specific situations such as
tactile graphics, mobility training, etc.

On 19/07/2018, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Intimidation may not be the issue for many people. it may be the time and
effort involved. If I get a smart phone and want to learn how to use it, I
want to learn its use in the fastest, most efficient way. If keyboards are
convenient to use and do everything I want, that's what I'll probably do. I
may get curious and learn to use the devices with the touch screen, but I
don't care about it except as a point of curiosity and if I can do things I
want to do well with the keyboard, that would be a far more efficient use of
my time if there were no meaningful difference in what I could do. If the
touch screen is more convenient in meaningful ways, I may well learn it.
But there has to be some real advantage, not just keeping up with the
sighted Joneses.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE: [TechTalk]
Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions


I finally made up[ my mind, that I was no longer going to be
intimidated by touch screens. I have an iPhone now and
continue to learn. The Hadley videos are a blessing to be
sure.

I took my husband's advice and am not trying to learn
everything at once, but I keep learning. I learned about the
Today feature today. I'm going to like that.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aman Singer
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE:
[TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Hi Rob and all,

Rob writes:
Don't you néed the touch interface to turn on voiceover or
talkback.

I'm sorry to contradict so flatly, but on iOS, you
don't at all, and on Android, you may but there are usually
better ways. To turn VoiceOver on when using iOS, you can
hold down the home or side button, depending on your phone,
and say, once you hear the siri sound, "turn voiceover on".
You can also configure the accessibility shortcut,
triple-tapping the home or side button, to turn VO on and
off, but to do that configuration accessibly, you will need
to have VO running already. The voice command works from
anywhere and any iOS device with siri enabled, which it is
by default. Though it is slower, it is more universal than
the accessibility shortcut. You can also turn VO on through
iTunes, but that's quite a bit of work.
As for Android, you may need to place your two
fingers anywhere on the screen and keep them there to turn
talkback on when first setting up, but this has, in my
experience, been a hit and miss thing. It sometimes works,
sometimes doesn't, and sometimes works only when the phone
isn't set up at all. The same may be said of hitting power
until a sound and placing fingers on the screen. It is
rom/version dependent, and I am to the point where, if at
all possible, I will get someone to turn TB on for me and
suspend, rather than disable, when I don't need it. You can,
of course, suspend and resume TB very easily from the
keyboard.
On both systems, we who are dependent on braille
have serious issues enabling it, but that has nothing to do
with the touch interface. For the user who is just blind, at
least in most cases, enabling the screen reader is not going
to be made significantly harder by a dislike of touch
screens.
Aman



-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 5:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Touch screens on modern smartphones was RE:
[TechTalk] Smalltalk Ultra 2 Questions

Aman Singer <aman.singer@gmail.com> wrote:
There is
simply no need, these days, to use a touch interface if
you don't want to.

Don't you néed the touch interface to turn on voiceover or
talkback.














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