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Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

enes sarıbaş
 

Hi Heather,

These do handle multiple programs and inputs. You can look on specs, or write to the company and ask. A dac just converts the digital signal to analog without any processing involved.

On 6/16/2020 11:35 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am still confused, are they sound cards? Or I should say can they handle more than one sound output? I just do not understand the difference between a so called usb external sound card vurses a dac. If there a sound card, why do they not say sound card! Thank you for inlighting me! ckeers Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Gene,

There is no 30 dollar sound card, nothing of quality worth mentioning. The fios dac is about 75 dollars, and is as cheap as a dac goes. The zen has a better price/performance ratio, and is 129. These aren't high end dacs iether, there are several near 200 dollars, several around 300-400, and a few above 2500.

On 6/16/2020 9:56 PM, Gene wrote:
What s the cost and what is the advantage over getting a thirty dollar sound card when someone says they are satisfied with the internal sound card they were using? I always take context into account when making recommendations of products if I know that context is available and may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Hi Heather,

As they recommended, I think you should get the FIO or Zen Dac, which
don't process audio, which output audio purely.

On 6/16/2020 3:15 PM, heather albright wrote:
The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar USB speaker is giving me and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it for all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the only issue for now! I do like Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the surround sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader but, than it started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I pulled out my 5 dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am not interested in gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I started doing research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can show how their sound card sounds with assistive technology. And regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you thinking of spending? And are you currently using an internal or external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures suggested too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound cards. I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm running my
mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that garbled speech would
happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their control
pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech application
gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some time. We are sadly
not able to confirm if our audio devices support text to speech
applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to get a
USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver. Therefore they
are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our product
range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback , and you never
know , maybe it will be considered for future develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact us
here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I want to
be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am spending money
on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to be able to use all
features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't bother
installing the software because it works fine without it as I am just
running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha mixer through
the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I might take a look at
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on this. I
think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to see if it can
read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know exactly. But at least
they got back to me! Will Keep everyone updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which is
like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can plug
and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very similar
to most anything else within this world of ours and I am very
certain that this specifically was not the answer you were
seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair of
high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say you
definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to get all
the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had many
issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound card
and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her disable
the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use the
computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process starts
all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are up to
date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather














































Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

enes sarıbaş
 

Hello Gene,

Several reviews state that the creative card still does hardware level processing and adding effects, even when no driver is installed, or even when the supposed pure processing free direct mode is used. So this may be incorrect.

On 6/17/2020 8:02 AM, Gene wrote:
A dac is a digital audio decoder, as I recall what the acronym stands for. Itt is evidently just a decoder and will function as a sound card, playing multiple devices, except that no audio processing is done.  But You should be able, yourself or with sighted help, to turn off processing in a sound card.

I don't know how prices compare, I never checked them when comparing dacs to soundcards.

But, as I understand it, if you just plug in any sound card, without installing the driver, no processing will be done either. It will use a Windows default USB driver to play the audio. People do this all the time when doing something like installing Windows if they want sound before the Windows sound card becomes operational.  I did this with two sound cards many years ago and no processing occurred.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

But if someone is satisfied with the internal sound card, and they don't
sound bad at all in general, why spend seventy-five dollars?  I don't know
this but it appears the person wants a sound card just for listening.
Context is important in advising people.  You are talking about what you
want in terms of sound when you talk about what is acceptable or desirable.
I hope others will enter the discussion so it isn't just an I say, you say
discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 10:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene,

There is no 30 dollar sound card, nothing of quality worth mentioning.
The fios dac is about 75 dollars, and is as cheap as a dac goes. The
zen  has a better price/performance ratio, and is 129. These aren't high
end dacs iether, there are several near 200 dollars, several around
300-400, and a few above 2500.

On 6/16/2020 9:56 PM, Gene wrote:
What s the cost and what is the advantage over getting a thirty dollar sound card when someone says they are satisfied with the internal sound card they were using?  I always take context into account when making recommendations of products if I know that context is available and may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Hi Heather,

As they recommended, I think you should get the FIO or Zen Dac, which
don't process audio, which output audio purely.

On 6/16/2020 3:15 PM, heather albright wrote:
The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar  USB speaker is giving me and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it for all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the only issue for now! I do like  Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the surround sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader but, than it started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I pulled out my 5 dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am not interested in gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I started doing research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can show how their sound card sounds with assistive technology. And regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you thinking of spending?  And are you currently using an internal or external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures suggested too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound cards. I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm running my
mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that garbled speech would
happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their control
pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech application
gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some time. We are sadly
not able to confirm if our audio devices support text to speech
applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to get a
USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver. Therefore they
are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our product
range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback , and you never
know , maybe it will be considered for future develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact us
here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I want to
be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am spending money
on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to be able to use all
features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't bother
installing the software because it works fine without it as I am just
running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha mixer through
the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I might take a look at
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on this. I
think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to see if it can
read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know exactly. But at least
they got back to me! Will Keep everyone updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which is
like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can plug
and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very similar
to most anything else within this world of ours and I am very
certain that this specifically was not the answer you were
seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair of
high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say you
definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to get all
the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had many
issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound card
and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her disable
the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use the
computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process starts
all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are up to
date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather
















































Re: brave browser

Sam Taylor
 

Yes. I'm a big fan of Brave. It appears to perform significantly quicker than other Windows browsers.


On 18/06/2020 12:19 pm, heather albright wrote:
Hay is anyone else using the brave

browser? Just curious! I am still getting used to it myself. cheers Heather


brave browser

heather albright
 

Hay is anyone else using the brave

browser? Just curious! I am still getting used to it myself. cheers Heather


Re: Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Mike B
 

Other than the sizes of the 2 different MSSE files, I couldn't find any other difference between the 2 from their properties.  Maybe someone that knows more will be able to tell us if there are actually any differences.  Just so I have an updated installer I did the same as yourself and kept the larger file thinking the same as you as well.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Okie dokie. Thanks to you and Gene. There were two identical files to download, two different sizes, so I assume the larger one listed first was the current one. Will this work on both Windows 10 and 7?
 
I still get regular updates to Windows Defender. Are there updates to this one as well?
 
Promise no more questions after this, maybe!
 
Vicki
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Yes, it sure is.  You can get it using the link below:
 
 
 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Is MSE supported anymore? I had Nodd32 but it's irritating to navigate, so I need something else.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
Windows Defender is not an antivirus program, but only protects against Spyware.  If you're running another antivirus program other than MSSE, that's fine, but if you're wanting to run Windows Defender only you'll be looking for trouble.  So in answer to your question.  I do not know of any way to put the Windows Defender icon into the Notification area, and it has to be there in order to make it show up in the system tray with the other icons.  Here are steps to put a Windows Defender shortcut icon on your desktop, then you could assign a shortcut key to the icon.
 
1. Open the Control Panel from the Control Panel desktop icon or press, Windows key + R, to open the Run dialogue and type, control panel, and press enter.
 
2. Press the letter, W , until you land on the, Windows Defender link.
 
3. With the, Windows Defender link , highlighted open the context menu with your applications key or press, shift + F10.  Now down arrow to, Create shortcut , and press enter.  A Windows Defender shortcut icon will now be on your desktop.,

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Mike
It's not there. Anywhere else I can check or any other way to get it in there?
 
Vicki
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you have Microsoft Security Essentials or another antivirus program running then Windows Defender should not be active / running, but to see if it's available to show in the system tray try the following.
1. Press, Windows key + T, to go to the taskbar.
2. Press, Alt + Enter, to open the taskbar properties.
3. Tab to, Notification area customize.... button, and press the spacebar to open.
4. Tab through all your available icons and if you find the, Windows Defender icon , arrow up / down to, show icon in notifications, tab to, Okay , press the spacebar, then again tab to, Okay , and press enter to save /  close.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Says Windows Defender is protecting my computer. I just want it to show up in the system tray and can't do it.
 
Vicki
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you're running MSSE as your antivirus protection program, MSSE disables Windows Defender upon installation.  For more details click on the link below.
 

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi,
 
Is there a way to show Windows Defender in the System tray on a Windows 7 Machine?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 


Re: Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Mike B
 

No, only Windows 7, and yes MSSE gets updates just about every day if not sometimes a little more often.
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W <vwherry4@...>
Reply-To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: 6/17/2020 5:49:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Okie dokie. Thanks to you and Gene. There were two identical files to download, two different sizes, so I assume the larger one listed first was the current one. Will this work on both Windows 10 and 7?
 
I still get regular updates to Windows Defender. Are there updates to this one as well?
 
Promise no more questions after this, maybe!
 
Vicki
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Yes, it sure is.  You can get it using the link below:
 
 
 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Is MSE supported anymore? I had Nodd32 but it's irritating to navigate, so I need something else.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
Windows Defender is not an antivirus program, but only protects against Spyware.  If you're running another antivirus program other than MSSE, that's fine, but if you're wanting to run Windows Defender only you'll be looking for trouble.  So in answer to your question.  I do not know of any way to put the Windows Defender icon into the Notification area, and it has to be there in order to make it show up in the system tray with the other icons.  Here are steps to put a Windows Defender shortcut icon on your desktop, then you could assign a shortcut key to the icon.
 
1. Open the Control Panel from the Control Panel desktop icon or press, Windows key + R, to open the Run dialogue and type, control panel, and press enter.
 
2. Press the letter, W , until you land on the, Windows Defender link.
 
3. With the, Windows Defender link , highlighted open the context menu with your applications key or press, shift + F10.  Now down arrow to, Create shortcut , and press enter.  A Windows Defender shortcut icon will now be on your desktop.,

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Mike
It's not there. Anywhere else I can check or any other way to get it in there?
 
Vicki
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you have Microsoft Security Essentials or another antivirus program running then Windows Defender should not be active / running, but to see if it's available to show in the system tray try the following.
1. Press, Windows key + T, to go to the taskbar.
2. Press, Alt + Enter, to open the taskbar properties.
3. Tab to, Notification area customize.... button, and press the spacebar to open.
4. Tab through all your available icons and if you find the, Windows Defender icon , arrow up / down to, show icon in notifications, tab to, Okay , press the spacebar, then again tab to, Okay , and press enter to save /  close.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Says Windows Defender is protecting my computer. I just want it to show up in the system tray and can't do it.
 
Vicki
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you're running MSSE as your antivirus protection program, MSSE disables Windows Defender upon installation.  For more details click on the link below.
 

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi,
 
Is there a way to show Windows Defender in the System tray on a Windows 7 Machine?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 


Re: Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I use the following method for manipulating programs in Windows 10.

1.  Press windows key + R for the run dialogue.
2.  type as follows:
shell:appsfolder
press enter.
3.  You are placed in a folder like group of icons.
4.  Highlight the Windows defender icon.
5. Use the context key and choose create shortcut.  You will be prompted to create a shortcut on the desktop. Answer yes.
You can do other things using this method such as pinning to start, pinning to taks bar and so on.

Now you can make this even easier with a one time shortcut for the Apps folder on your desktop as follows.
1. Move to the desktop and make sure that nothing is selected.
2.  use the context menu and choose new.
3.  From the new sub menu item, choose shortcut.
4.  A dialogue opens and you are presented with options.
5. For the path, type in
%windir%\explorer.exe shell:Appsfolder
6.  Click finish to create the shortcut.
7.  Now you will have a shortcut to this utility on your desktop.  You should probably rename it to something like appsfolder or anything that is convenient.



On 6/17/2020 5:57 PM, Mike B wrote:
Hi Vicki,
 
Windows Defender is not an antivirus program, but only protects against Spyware.  If you're running another antivirus program other than MSSE, that's fine, but if you're wanting to run Windows Defender only you'll be looking for trouble.  So in answer to your question.  I do not know of any way to put the Windows Defender icon into the Notification area, and it has to be there in order to make it show up in the system tray with the other icons.  Here are steps to put a Windows Defender shortcut icon on your desktop, then you could assign a shortcut key to the icon.
 
1. Open the Control Panel from the Control Panel desktop icon or press, Windows key + R, to open the Run dialogue and type, control panel, and press enter.
 
2. Press the letter, W , until you land on the, Windows Defender link.
 
3. With the, Windows Defender link , highlighted open the context menu with your applications key or press, shift + F10.  Now down arrow to, Create shortcut , and press enter.  A Windows Defender shortcut icon will now be on your desktop.,

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Mike
It's not there. Anywhere else I can check or any other way to get it in there?
 
Vicki
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you have Microsoft Security Essentials or another antivirus program running then Windows Defender should not be active / running, but to see if it's available to show in the system tray try the following.
1. Press, Windows key + T, to go to the taskbar.
2. Press, Alt + Enter, to open the taskbar properties.
3. Tab to, Notification area customize.... button, and press the spacebar to open.
4. Tab through all your available icons and if you find the, Windows Defender icon , arrow up / down to, show icon in notifications, tab to, Okay , press the spacebar, then again tab to, Okay , and press enter to save /  close.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Says Windows Defender is protecting my computer. I just want it to show up in the system tray and can't do it.
 
Vicki
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you're running MSSE as your antivirus protection program, MSSE disables Windows Defender upon installation.  For more details click on the link below.
 

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi,
 
Is there a way to show Windows Defender in the System tray on a Windows 7 Machine?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Vicki W
 

Okie dokie. Thanks to you and Gene. There were two identical files to download, two different sizes, so I assume the larger one listed first was the current one. Will this work on both Windows 10 and 7?
 
I still get regular updates to Windows Defender. Are there updates to this one as well?
 
Promise no more questions after this, maybe!
 
Vicki
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Yes, it sure is.  You can get it using the link below:
 
 
 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Is MSE supported anymore? I had Nodd32 but it's irritating to navigate, so I need something else.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
Windows Defender is not an antivirus program, but only protects against Spyware.  If you're running another antivirus program other than MSSE, that's fine, but if you're wanting to run Windows Defender only you'll be looking for trouble.  So in answer to your question.  I do not know of any way to put the Windows Defender icon into the Notification area, and it has to be there in order to make it show up in the system tray with the other icons.  Here are steps to put a Windows Defender shortcut icon on your desktop, then you could assign a shortcut key to the icon.
 
1. Open the Control Panel from the Control Panel desktop icon or press, Windows key + R, to open the Run dialogue and type, control panel, and press enter.
 
2. Press the letter, W , until you land on the, Windows Defender link.
 
3. With the, Windows Defender link , highlighted open the context menu with your applications key or press, shift + F10.  Now down arrow to, Create shortcut , and press enter.  A Windows Defender shortcut icon will now be on your desktop.,

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Mike
It's not there. Anywhere else I can check or any other way to get it in there?
 
Vicki
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you have Microsoft Security Essentials or another antivirus program running then Windows Defender should not be active / running, but to see if it's available to show in the system tray try the following.
1. Press, Windows key + T, to go to the taskbar.
2. Press, Alt + Enter, to open the taskbar properties.
3. Tab to, Notification area customize.... button, and press the spacebar to open.
4. Tab through all your available icons and if you find the, Windows Defender icon , arrow up / down to, show icon in notifications, tab to, Okay , press the spacebar, then again tab to, Okay , and press enter to save /  close.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Says Windows Defender is protecting my computer. I just want it to show up in the system tray and can't do it.
 
Vicki
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you're running MSSE as your antivirus protection program, MSSE disables Windows Defender upon installation.  For more details click on the link below.
 

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi,
 
Is there a way to show Windows Defender in the System tray on a Windows 7 Machine?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 


Re: Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Gene
 

If you already have it, you can use it. Since support for Windows 7 has stopped, you may not be able to download it any longer, though someone may be able to tell you where to get the installation file.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray


Is MSE supported anymore? I had Nodd32 but it's irritating to navigate, so I need something else.



----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,

Windows Defender is not an antivirus program, but only protects against Spyware. If you're running another antivirus program other than MSSE, that's fine, but if you're wanting to run Windows Defender only you'll be looking for trouble. So in answer to your question. I do not know of any way to put the Windows Defender icon into the Notification area, and it has to be there in order to make it show up in the system tray with the other icons. Here are steps to put a Windows Defender shortcut icon on your desktop, then you could assign a shortcut key to the icon.

1. Open the Control Panel from the Control Panel desktop icon or press, Windows key + R, to open the Run dialogue and type, control panel, and press enter.

2. Press the letter, W , until you land on the, Windows Defender link.

3. With the, Windows Defender link , highlighted open the context menu with your applications key or press, shift + F10. Now down arrow to, Create shortcut , and press enter. A Windows Defender shortcut icon will now be on your desktop.,



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Mike
It's not there. Anywhere else I can check or any other way to get it in there?

Vicki

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,

If you have Microsoft Security Essentials or another antivirus program running then Windows Defender should not be active / running, but to see if it's available to show in the system tray try the following.
1. Press, Windows key + T, to go to the taskbar.
2. Press, Alt + Enter, to open the taskbar properties.
3. Tab to, Notification area customize.... button, and press the spacebar to open.
4. Tab through all your available icons and if you find the, Windows Defender icon , arrow up / down to, show icon in notifications, tab to, Okay , press the spacebar, then again tab to, Okay , and press enter to save / close.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Says Windows Defender is protecting my computer. I just want it to show up in the system tray and can't do it.

Vicki


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,

If you're running MSSE as your antivirus protection program, MSSE disables Windows Defender upon installation. For more details click on the link below.

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/difference-between-microsoft-security-essentials-microsoft-defender-69626.html



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi,

Is there a way to show Windows Defender in the System tray on a Windows 7 Machine?

Thanks.

Vicki


Re: Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Mike B
 

Yes, it sure is.  You can get it using the link below:
 
 
 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Is MSE supported anymore? I had Nodd32 but it's irritating to navigate, so I need something else.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
Windows Defender is not an antivirus program, but only protects against Spyware.  If you're running another antivirus program other than MSSE, that's fine, but if you're wanting to run Windows Defender only you'll be looking for trouble.  So in answer to your question.  I do not know of any way to put the Windows Defender icon into the Notification area, and it has to be there in order to make it show up in the system tray with the other icons.  Here are steps to put a Windows Defender shortcut icon on your desktop, then you could assign a shortcut key to the icon.
 
1. Open the Control Panel from the Control Panel desktop icon or press, Windows key + R, to open the Run dialogue and type, control panel, and press enter.
 
2. Press the letter, W , until you land on the, Windows Defender link.
 
3. With the, Windows Defender link , highlighted open the context menu with your applications key or press, shift + F10.  Now down arrow to, Create shortcut , and press enter.  A Windows Defender shortcut icon will now be on your desktop.,

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Mike
It's not there. Anywhere else I can check or any other way to get it in there?
 
Vicki
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you have Microsoft Security Essentials or another antivirus program running then Windows Defender should not be active / running, but to see if it's available to show in the system tray try the following.
1. Press, Windows key + T, to go to the taskbar.
2. Press, Alt + Enter, to open the taskbar properties.
3. Tab to, Notification area customize.... button, and press the spacebar to open.
4. Tab through all your available icons and if you find the, Windows Defender icon , arrow up / down to, show icon in notifications, tab to, Okay , press the spacebar, then again tab to, Okay , and press enter to save /  close.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Says Windows Defender is protecting my computer. I just want it to show up in the system tray and can't do it.
 
Vicki
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you're running MSSE as your antivirus protection program, MSSE disables Windows Defender upon installation.  For more details click on the link below.
 

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi,
 
Is there a way to show Windows Defender in the System tray on a Windows 7 Machine?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 


Re: Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Vicki W
 

Is MSE supported anymore? I had Nodd32 but it's irritating to navigate, so I need something else.
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
Windows Defender is not an antivirus program, but only protects against Spyware.  If you're running another antivirus program other than MSSE, that's fine, but if you're wanting to run Windows Defender only you'll be looking for trouble.  So in answer to your question.  I do not know of any way to put the Windows Defender icon into the Notification area, and it has to be there in order to make it show up in the system tray with the other icons.  Here are steps to put a Windows Defender shortcut icon on your desktop, then you could assign a shortcut key to the icon.
 
1. Open the Control Panel from the Control Panel desktop icon or press, Windows key + R, to open the Run dialogue and type, control panel, and press enter.
 
2. Press the letter, W , until you land on the, Windows Defender link.
 
3. With the, Windows Defender link , highlighted open the context menu with your applications key or press, shift + F10.  Now down arrow to, Create shortcut , and press enter.  A Windows Defender shortcut icon will now be on your desktop.,

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Mike
It's not there. Anywhere else I can check or any other way to get it in there?
 
Vicki
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you have Microsoft Security Essentials or another antivirus program running then Windows Defender should not be active / running, but to see if it's available to show in the system tray try the following.
1. Press, Windows key + T, to go to the taskbar.
2. Press, Alt + Enter, to open the taskbar properties.
3. Tab to, Notification area customize.... button, and press the spacebar to open.
4. Tab through all your available icons and if you find the, Windows Defender icon , arrow up / down to, show icon in notifications, tab to, Okay , press the spacebar, then again tab to, Okay , and press enter to save /  close.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Says Windows Defender is protecting my computer. I just want it to show up in the system tray and can't do it.
 
Vicki
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you're running MSSE as your antivirus protection program, MSSE disables Windows Defender upon installation.  For more details click on the link below.
 

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi,
 
Is there a way to show Windows Defender in the System tray on a Windows 7 Machine?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 


Re: Wordpress Themes with Screen-reading Software

Rayn Darren
 

Apologies for not responding to the original post, it seems I missed it.

If you filter your themes by the accessible tag you'll come up with a decent amount, I think there are about 30 or so. I personally use Modern most of the time, but anything with the word "Responsive" in the description usually is accessible as well.

HTH,
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 8:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wordpress Themes with Screen-reading Software

When I was word pressing, accessible zen I think it was called work well for me.

Best regards,

Kimsan Song

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich DeSteno
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 2:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Wordpress Themes with Screen-reading Software

What Wordpress themes are best with screen-reading software, such as Jaws and NVDA?


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Re: Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Mike B
 

Hi Vicki,
 
Windows Defender is not an antivirus program, but only protects against Spyware.  If you're running another antivirus program other than MSSE, that's fine, but if you're wanting to run Windows Defender only you'll be looking for trouble.  So in answer to your question.  I do not know of any way to put the Windows Defender icon into the Notification area, and it has to be there in order to make it show up in the system tray with the other icons.  Here are steps to put a Windows Defender shortcut icon on your desktop, then you could assign a shortcut key to the icon.
 
1. Open the Control Panel from the Control Panel desktop icon or press, Windows key + R, to open the Run dialogue and type, control panel, and press enter.
 
2. Press the letter, W , until you land on the, Windows Defender link.
 
3. With the, Windows Defender link , highlighted open the context menu with your applications key or press, shift + F10.  Now down arrow to, Create shortcut , and press enter.  A Windows Defender shortcut icon will now be on your desktop.,

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Mike
It's not there. Anywhere else I can check or any other way to get it in there?
 
Vicki
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you have Microsoft Security Essentials or another antivirus program running then Windows Defender should not be active / running, but to see if it's available to show in the system tray try the following.
1. Press, Windows key + T, to go to the taskbar.
2. Press, Alt + Enter, to open the taskbar properties.
3. Tab to, Notification area customize.... button, and press the spacebar to open.
4. Tab through all your available icons and if you find the, Windows Defender icon , arrow up / down to, show icon in notifications, tab to, Okay , press the spacebar, then again tab to, Okay , and press enter to save /  close.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Says Windows Defender is protecting my computer. I just want it to show up in the system tray and can't do it.
 
Vicki
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you're running MSSE as your antivirus protection program, MSSE disables Windows Defender upon installation.  For more details click on the link below.
 

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi,
 
Is there a way to show Windows Defender in the System tray on a Windows 7 Machine?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 


Re: Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Vicki W
 

Hi Mike
It's not there. Anywhere else I can check or any other way to get it in there?
 
Vicki

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you have Microsoft Security Essentials or another antivirus program running then Windows Defender should not be active / running, but to see if it's available to show in the system tray try the following.
1. Press, Windows key + T, to go to the taskbar.
2. Press, Alt + Enter, to open the taskbar properties.
3. Tab to, Notification area customize.... button, and press the spacebar to open.
4. Tab through all your available icons and if you find the, Windows Defender icon , arrow up / down to, show icon in notifications, tab to, Okay , press the spacebar, then again tab to, Okay , and press enter to save /  close.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Says Windows Defender is protecting my computer. I just want it to show up in the system tray and can't do it.
 
Vicki
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you're running MSSE as your antivirus protection program, MSSE disables Windows Defender upon installation.  For more details click on the link below.
 

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi,
 
Is there a way to show Windows Defender in the System tray on a Windows 7 Machine?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 


Re: Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Gene
 

If you can still get it, you should use Microsoft Security Essentials with Windows 7.

Windows Essentials and the version of Windows Defender in Windows 10 are similar programs and they are both well regarded.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray


Hi Vicki,

If you have Microsoft Security Essentials or another antivirus program running then Windows Defender should not be active / running, but to see if it's available to show in the system tray try the following.
1. Press, Windows key + T, to go to the taskbar.
2. Press, Alt + Enter, to open the taskbar properties.
3. Tab to, Notification area customize.... button, and press the spacebar to open.
4. Tab through all your available icons and if you find the, Windows Defender icon , arrow up / down to, show icon in notifications, tab to, Okay , press the spacebar, then again tab to, Okay , and press enter to save / close.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Says Windows Defender is protecting my computer. I just want it to show up in the system tray and can't do it.

Vicki


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,

If you're running MSSE as your antivirus protection program, MSSE disables Windows Defender upon installation. For more details click on the link below.

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/difference-between-microsoft-security-essentials-microsoft-defender-69626.html



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi,

Is there a way to show Windows Defender in the System tray on a Windows 7 Machine?

Thanks.

Vicki


Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene
 

I'll be looking forward to see what you think of it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Yes, I am trying a card it should arrive tomorrow with amazon prime! cheers
Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


I don't know why you had the hissing sound. It isn't usually a problem. I've used two external sound careds and have had no problem nor, in all my years on lists like this, have I hearcd that complaint when external sound cards were discussed.

If you didn't change your JAWS sound card settings, any sound card you plug in will be used by JAWS. Any sound card you plug in automatically becomes the default sound card untill you unplug it. Then when you connect it again, it once again becomes the default sound card. I've seen some odd behavior of sound cards and you may have to connect it, then reboot to get it to use JAWS.

I think you are overworrying and that the best thing to do is get an inexpensive sound card and see if you are satisfied. Think of it this way:
The internal soundcard on your computer is very inexpensive. I've heard better and I've heard worse but they are all well within the range of the typical listener's satisfaction. A thirty dollar sound card is so much more expensive than the built-in one that if you are satisfied with the soundcard that came with your computer, you should be satisfied with a built-in one.

If all you want to use it for is listening, try just connecting it and see if you are satisfied. You can always install the driver if you want to see if you will get better sound but I think you will be satisfied whether you install the driver or not. And you can always exchange it if you use a sstore with a good return and exchange policy.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I meant to sayn playing multiple sources, not playing multiple devices.
Whether you are using a soundcard, or a DAC, you can play multiple sources,
exactly as you could with your old sound card. This is standard.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I meant to say, playing multiple sources, not playing multiple devices. If
you want to play JAWS and other audio simultaneously, you can and you can do
the same with a sound card as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

A dac is a digital audio decoder, as I recall what the acronym stands for.
Itt is evidently just a decoder and will function as a sound card, playing
multiple devices, except that no audio processing is done. But You should
be able, yourself or with sighted help, to turn off processing in a sound
card.

I don't know how prices compare, I never checked them when comparing dacs to
soundcards.

But, as I understand it, if you just plug in any sound card, without
installing the driver, no processing will be done either. It will use a
Windows default USB driver to play the audio. People do this all the time
when doing something like installing Windows if they want sound before the
Windows sound card becomes operational. I did this with two sound cards
many years ago and no processing occurred.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

But if someone is satisfied with the internal sound card, and they don't
sound bad at all in general, why spend seventy-five dollars? I don't know
this but it appears the person wants a sound card just for listening.
Context is important in advising people. You are talking about what you
want in terms of sound when you talk about what is acceptable or desirable.
I hope others will enter the discussion so it isn't just an I say, you say
discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 10:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene,

There is no 30 dollar sound card, nothing of quality worth mentioning.
The fios dac is about 75 dollars, and is as cheap as a dac goes. The
zen has a better price/performance ratio, and is 129. These aren't high
end dacs iether, there are several near 200 dollars, several around
300-400, and a few above 2500.

On 6/16/2020 9:56 PM, Gene wrote:
What s the cost and what is the advantage over getting a thirty dollar sound card when someone says they are satisfied with the internal sound card they were using? I always take context into account when making recommendations of products if I know that context is available and may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Hi Heather,

As they recommended, I think you should get the FIO or Zen Dac, which
don't process audio, which output audio purely.

On 6/16/2020 3:15 PM, heather albright wrote:
The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar USB speaker is giving me and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it for all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the only issue for now! I do like Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the surround sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader but, than it started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I pulled out my 5 dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am not interested in gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I started doing research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can show how their sound card sounds with assistive technology. And regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you thinking of spending? And are you currently using an internal or external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures suggested too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound cards. I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm running my
mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that garbled speech would
happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their control
pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech application
gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some time. We are sadly
not able to confirm if our audio devices support text to speech
applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to get a
USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver. Therefore they
are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our product
range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback , and you never
know , maybe it will be considered for future develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact us
here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I want to
be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am spending money
on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to be able to use all
features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't bother
installing the software because it works fine without it as I am just
running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha mixer through
the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I might take a look at
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on this. I
think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to see if it can
read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know exactly. But at least
they got back to me! Will Keep everyone updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which is
like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can plug
and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very similar
to most anything else within this world of ours and I am very
certain that this specifically was not the answer you were
seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair of
high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say you
definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to get all
the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had many
issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound card
and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her disable
the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use the
computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process starts
all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are up to
date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather





















































Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene
 

I should also say that the seven dollar recommendation may be fine. I've never heard a really inexpensive sound card. I just chose thirty dollars as a figure because that seemed like a safe one if you don't know how the really inexpensive ones sound. But I'm not recommending that price.

It might be a good idea to get one, whether you get something else or not. While its very unlikely your other sound card will fail, you may want one for emergencies, even if you just intend to use one.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I don't know why you had the hissing sound. It isn't usually a problem.
I've used two external sound careds and have had no problem nor, in all my
years on lists like this, have I hearcd that complaint when external sound
cards were discussed.

If you didn't change your JAWS sound card settings, any sound card you plug
in will be used by JAWS. Any sound card you plug in automatically becomes
the default sound card untill you unplug it. Then when you connect it
again, it once again becomes the default sound card. I've seen some odd
behavior of sound cards and you may have to connect it, then reboot to get
it to use JAWS.

I think you are overworrying and that the best thing to do is get an
inexpensive sound card and see if you are satisfied. Think of it this way:
The internal soundcard on your computer is very inexpensive. I've heard
better and I've heard worse but they are all well within the range of the
typical listener's satisfaction. A thirty dollar sound card is so much more
expensive than the built-in one that if you are satisfied with the soundcard
that came with your computer, you should be satisfied with a built-in one.

If all you want to use it for is listening, try just connecting it and see
if you are satisfied. You can always install the driver if you want to see
if you will get better sound but I think you will be satisfied whether you
install the driver or not. And you can always exchange it if you use a
sstore with a good return and exchange policy.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I meant to sayn playing multiple sources, not playing multiple devices.
Whether you are using a soundcard, or a DAC, you can play multiple sources,
exactly as you could with your old sound card. This is standard.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I meant to say, playing multiple sources, not playing multiple devices. If
you want to play JAWS and other audio simultaneously, you can and you can do
the same with a sound card as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

A dac is a digital audio decoder, as I recall what the acronym stands for.
Itt is evidently just a decoder and will function as a sound card, playing
multiple devices, except that no audio processing is done. But You should
be able, yourself or with sighted help, to turn off processing in a sound
card.

I don't know how prices compare, I never checked them when comparing dacs to
soundcards.

But, as I understand it, if you just plug in any sound card, without
installing the driver, no processing will be done either. It will use a
Windows default USB driver to play the audio. People do this all the time
when doing something like installing Windows if they want sound before the
Windows sound card becomes operational. I did this with two sound cards
many years ago and no processing occurred.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

But if someone is satisfied with the internal sound card, and they don't
sound bad at all in general, why spend seventy-five dollars? I don't know
this but it appears the person wants a sound card just for listening.
Context is important in advising people. You are talking about what you
want in terms of sound when you talk about what is acceptable or desirable.
I hope others will enter the discussion so it isn't just an I say, you say
discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 10:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene,

There is no 30 dollar sound card, nothing of quality worth mentioning.
The fios dac is about 75 dollars, and is as cheap as a dac goes. The
zen has a better price/performance ratio, and is 129. These aren't high
end dacs iether, there are several near 200 dollars, several around
300-400, and a few above 2500.

On 6/16/2020 9:56 PM, Gene wrote:
What s the cost and what is the advantage over getting a thirty dollar sound card when someone says they are satisfied with the internal sound card they were using? I always take context into account when making recommendations of products if I know that context is available and may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Hi Heather,

As they recommended, I think you should get the FIO or Zen Dac, which
don't process audio, which output audio purely.

On 6/16/2020 3:15 PM, heather albright wrote:
The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar USB speaker is giving me and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it for all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the only issue for now! I do like Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the surround sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader but, than it started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I pulled out my 5 dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am not interested in gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I started doing research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can show how their sound card sounds with assistive technology. And regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you thinking of spending? And are you currently using an internal or external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures suggested too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound cards. I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm running my
mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that garbled speech would
happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their control
pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech application
gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some time. We are sadly
not able to confirm if our audio devices support text to speech
applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to get a
USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver. Therefore they
are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our product
range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback , and you never
know , maybe it will be considered for future develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact us
here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I want to
be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am spending money
on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to be able to use all
features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't bother
installing the software because it works fine without it as I am just
running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha mixer through
the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I might take a look at
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on this. I
think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to see if it can
read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know exactly. But at least
they got back to me! Will Keep everyone updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which is
like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can plug
and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very similar
to most anything else within this world of ours and I am very
certain that this specifically was not the answer you were
seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair of
high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say you
definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to get all
the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had many
issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound card
and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her disable
the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use the
computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process starts
all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are up to
date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather













































Re: Edge question

Madison Martin
 

Thanks Ron, that worked!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: June 17, 2020 12:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Edge question

Hi Madison,

There's probably a more conventional way of doing this, but here's one way.
1. Open the Run dialogue (windows key + R) and type the following shell:appsfolder and press enter.
2. This opens a more standard interface similar to the old Windows XP programs and features.
3. arrow down or use first letter navigation to highlight Microsoft Edge.
4. Use the right cik (context menu key or shift + F10) and choose 'create shortcut'.
5. You will be informed that you cannot create a shortcut here. You will be asked if you want to create a desktop shortcut.
6. Answer yes and the shortcut should appear on your desktop as before.




On 6/16/2020 6:20 PM, Madison Martin wrote:
Hi all,
For some reason Microsofft Edge os no longer on my desktop, and I've
done nothing to either my desktop or Edge. Can anyone tell me why/how
it would suddenly no longer be on my desktop? More importantly, can
someone please tell me how to get it back on my desktop? Thank you so much!!
Madison



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I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Mike B
 

Hi Vicki,
 
If you have Microsoft Security Essentials or another antivirus program running then Windows Defender should not be active / running, but to see if it's available to show in the system tray try the following.
1. Press, Windows key + T, to go to the taskbar.
2. Press, Alt + Enter, to open the taskbar properties.
3. Tab to, Notification area customize.... button, and press the spacebar to open.
4. Tab through all your available icons and if you find the, Windows Defender icon , arrow up / down to, show icon in notifications, tab to, Okay , press the spacebar, then again tab to, Okay , and press enter to save /  close.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Says Windows Defender is protecting my computer. I just want it to show up in the system tray and can't do it.
 
Vicki
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you're running MSSE as your antivirus protection program, MSSE disables Windows Defender upon installation.  For more details click on the link below.
 

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi,
 
Is there a way to show Windows Defender in the System tray on a Windows 7 Machine?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 


Re: Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Vicki W
 

Says Windows Defender is protecting my computer. I just want it to show up in the system tray and can't do it.
 
Vicki
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you're running MSSE as your antivirus protection program, MSSE disables Windows Defender upon installation.  For more details click on the link below.
 

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi,
 
Is there a way to show Windows Defender in the System tray on a Windows 7 Machine?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki