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Re: Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Holly
 

Margaret:

Will do. Won't have time til later today to call, but I will certainly let you know what I find out.


Re: Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Margaret Thomas
 

Holly,

Could you post what you find out about the controls? I'm finding this thread of great interest since, apparently, I can't use the HP LaserJet printer and Xerox scanner that I have on Windows 7 on the Windows 10 Pro and have to switch computers to print and scan. I'm considering an all-in-one and would prefer buttons.

Thanks,

Margaret

On 6/26/2020 12:02 PM, Holly wrote:
Chris:
I am having trouble finding a new printer like the one you have.  It may not be available anymore.  There is an upgrade to a Xerox B215DNI Monochrome Multifunction Printer, but not sure of the controls.
I may call Amazon accessibility and see what they think.
Appreciate your help.


Re: Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Holly
 

Chris:
 
I am having trouble finding a new printer like the one you have.  It may not be available anymore.  There is an upgrade to a Xerox B215DNI Monochrome Multifunction Printer, but not sure of the controls.
 
I may call Amazon accessibility and see what they think.
 
Appreciate your help.
 
 


Security Essentials question

Vicki W
 

HI,
 
Does anyone know why my Security Essentials updates are showing up in optional updates rather than important updates like Defender does? I have to check for definition updates rather than have them show up on their own.
 
Do I need to change a setting?
 
Vicki
 


Re: Sounds for Chrome?

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

And they all lived happily after.

The End

<smiling>
Ann P.


Original message:

But I responded to continued posts from her.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 2:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Sounds for Chrome?
What a novel. She got her issue solved hours ago.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 25, 2020 4:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Sounds for Chrome?
I didn't say file location is the problem. I'm saying that if you set the
program to ask, then you will know that the program is waiting for
information before starting a download. That frequest for information,
though not a confirmation that a download is beginning, is an indication. I
told you how to get an indication that a download is beginning, it starts
after you work with the dialog. It isn't proper accessibility but it’s a
reasonable way around the problem until or unless it is corrected.
Wdoes a sighted person see? I don't know but its been standard for years
now that browsers, unless you use the ask me where to download a file don't
ask you anything but automatically download the file to the default
location. As I recall, Firefox does the same thing and you get no
notification unless the ask me dialog is set to appear.
the file either must have been small or you must have a very fast
connection. Chrome automatically speaks download information something like
every twenty or thirty seconds during the entire download. If you are
downloading something that takes two minutes to download, are in a different
window than the browser, and are doing anything, even read to end, the
forced speech will interrupt what you are doing. You will hear download
information and read to end will stop. Anything else you are doing, if
speech is being generated, that speech will be interrupted.
If you are saying that some indication should be given when a downloade
begins, I don't disagree. But if a blind user knows that using control j in
standardized browsers has been the way to open the downloads window and see
information about downloads for a long time, then at least the blind person
can check. But having forced speech interrupt whatever you are doing, in
any window isn't accessibility. Its having information take over your
computer and most users won't have any idea that an add-on can be used to
turn off that information.
I consider that worse than not being notified when a download is occurring.
Too much speech and even worse, too muchh repetitive forced speech is often
worse than not being notified of something, especially if there is a way to
check.
But more important than this specific question is the widespread practice of
changing an interface or changing how something works in terms of
accessibility and obviously not having any blind people do the same kinds of
alfa and beta testing of the feature that the program undergoes for everyone
else. It happens time after time. A popular program is fine, then the
developers decide to make major changes in the interface and the result is
no accessibility or near worthless accessibility. Blind people complain and
the problems are fixed or made manageable in a future release, perhaps
months or more later. And the companies often don't learn a thing,
repeating the same pattern in the next major upgrade.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:26 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Sounds for Chrome?
Good morning all,
I beg to differ, Gene. I don't mind *where* the thing downloads its files.
I know where that is, and I can easily get to it when I want to do that.
What I strongly object to is clicking on a download link and having the
browser sit there, silently, no progress bar, no alert tone, nothing! I
downloaded a file seven times last night, seven times, God bless it, all
because I didn't know Chrome was downloading the blessed file. It's like
people who come along and do something for you or move something or clean
something and never say a word. It aggravates me to distraction! I want to
*know* if Chrome is downloading something! I want to know when it's done
doing so!
I can find 'downloads' in This PC perfectly well. I can also move the
downloaded file if I want to do so. File location wasn't the problem at
all.
Ann P.
--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor
"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."










--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Sounds for Chrome?

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Oh, I see what you mean now. Well, the problem is moot since I downloaded the add-on. All's well now.

I also know that I should check downloads before assuming that the file didn't download properly. I think part of the problem may have been that the file was so small, the announcement, had there been one before the add-on, wasn't triggered. It was a file to allow me to listen to ACB Radio. I downloaded that little beasty seven times! Always something! <smiling> Hey, at least now I can listen to ACB Radio!

Ann P.


Original message:

I didn't say file location is the problem. I'm saying that if you set the
program to ask, then you will know that the program is waiting for
information before starting a download. That frequest for information,
though not a confirmation that a download is beginning, is an indication. I
told you how to get an indication that a download is beginning, it starts
after you work with the dialog. It isn't proper accessibility but it’s a
reasonable way around the problem until or unless it is corrected.
Wdoes a sighted person see? I don't know but its been standard for years
now that browsers, unless you use the ask me where to download a file don't
ask you anything but automatically download the file to the default
location. As I recall, Firefox does the same thing and you get no
notification unless the ask me dialog is set to appear.
the file either must have been small or you must have a very fast
connection. Chrome automatically speaks download information something like
every twenty or thirty seconds during the entire download. If you are
downloading something that takes two minutes to download, are in a different
window than the browser, and are doing anything, even read to end, the
forced speech will interrupt what you are doing. You will hear download
information and read to end will stop. Anything else you are doing, if
speech is being generated, that speech will be interrupted.
If you are saying that some indication should be given when a downloade
begins, I don't disagree. But if a blind user knows that using control j in
standardized browsers has been the way to open the downloads window and see
information about downloads for a long time, then at least the blind person
can check. But having forced speech interrupt whatever you are doing, in
any window isn't accessibility. Its having information take over your
computer and most users won't have any idea that an add-on can be used to
turn off that information.
I consider that worse than not being notified when a download is occurring.
Too much speech and even worse, too muchh repetitive forced speech is often
worse than not being notified of something, especially if there is a way to
check.
But more important than this specific question is the widespread practice of
changing an interface or changing how something works in terms of
accessibility and obviously not having any blind people do the same kinds of
alfa and beta testing of the feature that the program undergoes for everyone
else. It happens time after time. A popular program is fine, then the
developers decide to make major changes in the interface and the result is
no accessibility or near worthless accessibility. Blind people complain and
the problems are fixed or made manageable in a future release, perhaps
months or more later. And the companies often don't learn a thing,
repeating the same pattern in the next major upgrade.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:26 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Sounds for Chrome?
Good morning all,
I beg to differ, Gene. I don't mind *where* the thing downloads its
files. I know where that is, and I can easily get to it when I want to
do that. What I strongly object to is clicking on a download link and
having the browser sit there, silently, no progress bar, no alert tone,
nothing! I downloaded a file seven times last night, seven times, God
bless it, all because I didn't know Chrome was downloading the blessed
file. It's like people who come along and do something for you or move
something or clean something and never say a word. It aggravates me to
distraction! I want to *know* if Chrome is downloading something! I
want to know when it's done doing so!
I can find 'downloads' in This PC perfectly well. I can also move the
downloaded file if I want to do so. File location wasn't the problem at
all.
Ann P.
--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor
"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."



--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Monte Single
 

Same here.

 

If you have an inkjet printer,  print something at least once a week;  even if it is only a grocery list.

It’s still cheaper than new cartridges.

 

For basic printing needs,  nothing beats a black/white laser.

There are lots of them for sale for less than 100 bucks, with wireless connection.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: June-26-20 2:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

 

That’s why I bought the lazer printer. We don’t print things very often, usually just grocery lists and such, and I found my ink heads were clogging all the time. This one, as I mentioned, has all physical buttons. Copying is just a matter of dropping something on the scanner and pressing one button.

 

Chris Judge

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: June 25, 2020 10:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

 

Hi Holly,

 

Since I'm not familiar with Epson printers, is it possible that since your printer doesn't get used very often that the ink jet nozzles are getting clogged and the machine is using more ink than normal because it has to clean the nozzles when it does get used?  I'm only mentioning this because we had this problem with an HP ink jet printer at our other house, and we got so damn tired of buying ink we gave the all in one away and bought a lazer all in one!  LOL 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: Holly

Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 5:21 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

 

Norman:

 

I will take a look on EBay.  I just want to make sure I get genuine Epson cartridges.

 

I am happy with the printer, except for the cost of the cartridges, which don’t last as long as I think they should.  I don’t do much printing, but seem to be buying a lot of ink.


Sable app

lyes arbouche
 

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 25 juin 2020 à 4:59 PM, Holly <feyk7@...> a écrit :

Tired of buying expensive ink cartridges. Looking for a laser printer that
is accessible. Just black and white is all I need, but must copy, scan and
print. Wireless would be nice, but not necessary.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Holly


Good morning everybody, I want to just to ask about the application Sable, I have not yet I have a chance to download this application from the site, I have already being confronted to a message that all from the site I don’t know why point Please if you have any other site in order to download this application, I’d be very glad do you have a link to download it point best regards


Re: Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

chris judge
 

I had to purchase a new lazar toner cartridge for mine about a hear ago.
Xerox were charging almost $200. I got one on amazon for $21. I'm sure it's
a knock off, but it's served us well now for over a year.

Chris Judge

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Holly
Sent: June 25, 2020 11:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Mary:

I have been buying all my cartridges from Amazon. Am Leary about ordering
on EBay, as am thinking the cartridges may be old.


Re: Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

chris judge
 

That’s why I bought the lazer printer. We don’t print things very often, usually just grocery lists and such, and I found my ink heads were clogging all the time. This one, as I mentioned, has all physical buttons. Copying is just a matter of dropping something on the scanner and pressing one button.

 

Chris Judge

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: June 25, 2020 10:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

 

Hi Holly,

 

Since I'm not familiar with Epson printers, is it possible that since your printer doesn't get used very often that the ink jet nozzles are getting clogged and the machine is using more ink than normal because it has to clean the nozzles when it does get used?  I'm only mentioning this because we had this problem with an HP ink jet printer at our other house, and we got so damn tired of buying ink we gave the all in one away and bought a lazer all in one!  LOL 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: Holly

Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 5:21 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

 

Norman:

 

I will take a look on EBay.  I just want to make sure I get genuine Epson cartridges.

 

I am happy with the printer, except for the cost of the cartridges, which don’t last as long as I think they should.  I don’t do much printing, but seem to be buying a lot of ink.


Re: Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Holly
 

Mike:
 
I may try that.  Thanks for the suggestion. 
 
I really like the printer, but the ink is a sticking point.


Re: Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Mike B
 


Howdy Holly,
 
Ya know, maybe you could try just printing a little something every 3 or 4 days, or at least once a week just to give it a little ink useage and see if this helps make the cartridges last longer.  Just printing something small and not several pages only to keep the ink moving

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
From: Holly
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Mike:
 
I do think this may be the issue.  I can hear the printer cycling sometimes when I turn it on, and am assuming that it is going through a cleaning cycle.


Re: Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Holly
 

Mike:
 
I do think this may be the issue.  I can hear the printer cycling sometimes when I turn it on, and am assuming that it is going through a cleaning cycle.


Re: Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Holly
 

Mary:

I have been buying all my cartridges from Amazon. Am Leary about ordering on EBay, as am thinking the cartridges may be old.


Re: Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Mike B
 


Hi Holly,
 
Since I'm not familiar with Epson printers, is it possible that since your printer doesn't get used very often that the ink jet nozzles are getting clogged and the machine is using more ink than normal because it has to clean the nozzles when it does get used?  I'm only mentioning this because we had this problem with an HP ink jet printer at our other house, and we got so damn tired of buying ink we gave the all in one away and bought a lazer all in one!  LOL 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
From: Holly
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Norman:
 
I will take a look on EBay.  I just want to make sure I get genuine Epson cartridges.
 
I am happy with the printer, except for the cost of the cartridges, which don’t last as long as I think they should.  I don’t do much printing, but seem to be buying a lot of ink.


Re: Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Mary Smith
 

Holly, I'm not sure if you use amazon but you might want to compare the cost of cartridges on there as well as Ebay.

On 2020-06-25 8:21 p.m., Holly wrote:
Norman:

I will take a look on EBay. I just want to make sure I get genuine Epson cartridges.

I am happy with the printer, except for the cost of the cartridges, which don’t last as long as I think they should. I don’t do much printing, but seem to be buying a lot of ink.



Re: Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Holly
 

Norman:
 
I will take a look on EBay.  I just want to make sure I get genuine Epson cartridges.
 
I am happy with the printer, except for the cost of the cartridges, which don’t last as long as I think they should.  I don’t do much printing, but seem to be buying a lot of ink.


Re: Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Norman
 

Holly.

Thanks for clarifying that.

Just a workaround on how you could copy without the panel.

If you have a scan app like windows scan you could scan what you want to copy and print it out. It takes a bit longer but has the advantage that you would then have digital records of whatever you copy as well.

As for a good laser printer, I'm not really sure what to say. I've always hated printer shopping as there are so many options. My best advice is spend a little more money for a better printer because you'll probably have larger cartridges.

Also, If you don't want to buy ink from epson at retail prices you can shop ebay for genuine epson cartridges. These usually are considerably cheaper than retail but you have to know exactly what you want. I'm not advocating you go out and buy aftermarket cartridges on ebay, just genuine ones. This is what i do for my hp printer and i can usually get them for at least 20% less than retail. I've already seen them at half price.


HTH.


On 6/25/2020 7:59 PM, Holly wrote:
Norman:
 
I now have an Epson Workforce 3620.  I can do everything from the computer, except copy, which I need the touchpad to do.
 
I am trying to get away from an ink jet printer, as the ink is very expensive and I don’t do any color printing.


Re: Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Holly
 

Norman:
 
I now have an Epson Workforce 3620.  I can do everything from the computer, except copy, which I need the touchpad to do.
 
I am trying to get away from an ink jet printer, as the ink is very expensive and I don’t do any color printing.


Re: Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

Norman
 

Hello.

What is defined as an accessible printer/scanner?

I have an hp officejet pro 9015 which has a touch screen. However, there is no need for me to actually use that touch screen. I can plug it into my network using an ethernet cable and do everything i need to from the browser based control panel.

This includes setting up wifi and other things like that.

The only thing you need the physical control panel for is to use the copy/scan functions from the printer itself. If you have a computer you don't need it.



HTH.




On 6/25/2020 6:37 PM, chris judge wrote:

I think I bought it in either 2015 or 2016, I can’t remember for sure.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: June 25, 2020 5:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

 

Hi Chris,

Is the Xerox work center  fairly new or something you have had for a few years

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: June-25-20 1:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

 

I have a xerox work center 3210. It has buttons and no touch screen. It works great. It’s a lazar printer/scanner/copier/fax.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: June 25, 2020 4:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

 

Yes, that's why the suggestion of checking them out in person if possible.  My wife is sighted and can't stand the touch screens either.  Whenever the need has arisen for a new all in one we will go to 3 or 4 stores that sell this kind of equipment to see what is available.  It's damn sad but, the button types are slowly vanishing if not almost entirely gone now.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: Holly

Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 10:08 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wanting an accessible laser printer scanner copier

 

Mike:

 

Thanks.  Just want to try to get one that does not have a touch pad, or if it does, it can also be controlled by the computer program.

 

I will check out your suggestions.