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Re: Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Mike B
 

Hi Vicki,
 
If you have Microsoft Security Essentials or another antivirus program running then Windows Defender should not be active / running, but to see if it's available to show in the system tray try the following.
1. Press, Windows key + T, to go to the taskbar.
2. Press, Alt + Enter, to open the taskbar properties.
3. Tab to, Notification area customize.... button, and press the spacebar to open.
4. Tab through all your available icons and if you find the, Windows Defender icon , arrow up / down to, show icon in notifications, tab to, Okay , press the spacebar, then again tab to, Okay , and press enter to save /  close.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Says Windows Defender is protecting my computer. I just want it to show up in the system tray and can't do it.
 
Vicki
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you're running MSSE as your antivirus protection program, MSSE disables Windows Defender upon installation.  For more details click on the link below.
 

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi,
 
Is there a way to show Windows Defender in the System tray on a Windows 7 Machine?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 


Re: Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Vicki W
 

Says Windows Defender is protecting my computer. I just want it to show up in the system tray and can't do it.
 
Vicki
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi Vicki,
 
If you're running MSSE as your antivirus protection program, MSSE disables Windows Defender upon installation.  For more details click on the link below.
 

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Displaying Windows Defender in System Tray

Hi,
 
Is there a way to show Windows Defender in the System tray on a Windows 7 Machine?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 


Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

heather albright
 

Yes, I am trying a card it should arrive tomorrow with amazon prime! cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


I don't know why you had the hissing sound. It isn't usually a problem. I've used two external sound careds and have had no problem nor, in all my years on lists like this, have I hearcd that complaint when external sound cards were discussed.

If you didn't change your JAWS sound card settings, any sound card you plug in will be used by JAWS. Any sound card you plug in automatically becomes the default sound card untill you unplug it. Then when you connect it again, it once again becomes the default sound card. I've seen some odd behavior of sound cards and you may have to connect it, then reboot to get it to use JAWS.

I think you are overworrying and that the best thing to do is get an inexpensive sound card and see if you are satisfied. Think of it this way:
The internal soundcard on your computer is very inexpensive. I've heard better and I've heard worse but they are all well within the range of the typical listener's satisfaction. A thirty dollar sound card is so much more expensive than the built-in one that if you are satisfied with the soundcard that came with your computer, you should be satisfied with a built-in one.

If all you want to use it for is listening, try just connecting it and see if you are satisfied. You can always install the driver if you want to see if you will get better sound but I think you will be satisfied whether you install the driver or not. And you can always exchange it if you use a sstore with a good return and exchange policy.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I meant to sayn playing multiple sources, not playing multiple devices.
Whether you are using a soundcard, or a DAC, you can play multiple sources,
exactly as you could with your old sound card. This is standard.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I meant to say, playing multiple sources, not playing multiple devices. If
you want to play JAWS and other audio simultaneously, you can and you can do
the same with a sound card as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

A dac is a digital audio decoder, as I recall what the acronym stands for.
Itt is evidently just a decoder and will function as a sound card, playing
multiple devices, except that no audio processing is done. But You should
be able, yourself or with sighted help, to turn off processing in a sound
card.

I don't know how prices compare, I never checked them when comparing dacs to
soundcards.

But, as I understand it, if you just plug in any sound card, without
installing the driver, no processing will be done either. It will use a
Windows default USB driver to play the audio. People do this all the time
when doing something like installing Windows if they want sound before the
Windows sound card becomes operational. I did this with two sound cards
many years ago and no processing occurred.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

But if someone is satisfied with the internal sound card, and they don't
sound bad at all in general, why spend seventy-five dollars? I don't know
this but it appears the person wants a sound card just for listening.
Context is important in advising people. You are talking about what you
want in terms of sound when you talk about what is acceptable or desirable.
I hope others will enter the discussion so it isn't just an I say, you say
discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 10:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene,

There is no 30 dollar sound card, nothing of quality worth mentioning.
The fios dac is about 75 dollars, and is as cheap as a dac goes. The
zen has a better price/performance ratio, and is 129. These aren't high
end dacs iether, there are several near 200 dollars, several around
300-400, and a few above 2500.

On 6/16/2020 9:56 PM, Gene wrote:
What s the cost and what is the advantage over getting a thirty dollar sound card when someone says they are satisfied with the internal sound card they were using? I always take context into account when making recommendations of products if I know that context is available and may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Hi Heather,

As they recommended, I think you should get the FIO or Zen Dac, which
don't process audio, which output audio purely.

On 6/16/2020 3:15 PM, heather albright wrote:
The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar USB speaker is giving me and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it for all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the only issue for now! I do like Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the surround sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader but, than it started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I pulled out my 5 dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am not interested in gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I started doing research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can show how their sound card sounds with assistive technology. And regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you thinking of spending? And are you currently using an internal or external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures suggested too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound cards. I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm running my
mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that garbled speech would
happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their control
pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech application
gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some time. We are sadly
not able to confirm if our audio devices support text to speech
applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to get a
USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver. Therefore they
are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our product
range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback , and you never
know , maybe it will be considered for future develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact us
here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I want to
be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am spending money
on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to be able to use all
features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't bother
installing the software because it works fine without it as I am just
running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha mixer through
the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I might take a look at
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on this. I
think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to see if it can
read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know exactly. But at least
they got back to me! Will Keep everyone updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which is
like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can plug
and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very similar
to most anything else within this world of ours and I am very
certain that this specifically was not the answer you were
seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair of
high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say you
definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to get all
the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had many
issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound card
and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her disable
the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use the
computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process starts
all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are up to
date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather




















































Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene
 

What is the difference? Are you saying it just converts the digital audio it receives to analog audio for use with analog speakers?

Isn't that what a sound card does if it has no processing turned on? It sounds to me as though a DAC is the same thing as a sound card that does nothing but convert digital to analog and nothing else.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Smiling?
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

DAC is actually a Digital Audio Converter hence D A C, not a decoder at all.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:03
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

A dac is a digital audio decoder, as I recall what the acronym stands for.
Itt is evidently just a decoder and will function as a sound card, playing multiple devices, except that no audio processing is done. But You should be able, yourself or with sighted help, to turn off processing in a sound card.

I don't know how prices compare, I never checked them when comparing dacs to soundcards.

But, as I understand it, if you just plug in any sound card, without installing the driver, no processing will be done either. It will use a Windows default USB driver to play the audio. People do this all the time when doing something like installing Windows if they want sound before the Windows sound card becomes operational. I did this with two sound cards many years ago and no processing occurred.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

But if someone is satisfied with the internal sound card, and they don't
sound bad at all in general, why spend seventy-five dollars? I don't know
this but it appears the person wants a sound card just for listening.
Context is important in advising people. You are talking about what you
want in terms of sound when you talk about what is acceptable or desirable.
I hope others will enter the discussion so it isn't just an I say, you say
discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 10:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene,

There is no 30 dollar sound card, nothing of quality worth mentioning.
The fios dac is about 75 dollars, and is as cheap as a dac goes. The
zen has a better price/performance ratio, and is 129. These aren't high
end dacs iether, there are several near 200 dollars, several around
300-400, and a few above 2500.

On 6/16/2020 9:56 PM, Gene wrote:
What s the cost and what is the advantage over getting a thirty dollar
sound card when someone says they are satisfied with the internal sound
card they were using? I always take context into account when making
recommendations of products if I know that context is available and may
matter.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Hi Heather,

As they recommended, I think you should get the FIO or Zen Dac, which
don't process audio, which output audio purely.

On 6/16/2020 3:15 PM, heather albright wrote:
The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar USB speaker is giving me
and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it for
all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to
upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother
board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the only
issue for now! I do like Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the surround
sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader but, than it
started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I pulled out my 5
dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am not interested in
gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I started doing
research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can show how their sound
card sounds with assistive technology. And regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you
thinking of spending? And are you currently using an internal or
external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures suggested
too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound
cards. I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or
not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "chris judge"
<chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm running
my
mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that garbled speech
would
happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their
control
pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following
reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech application
gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some time. We are sadly
not able to confirm if our audio devices support text to speech
applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to
get a
USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver. Therefore
they
are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our product
range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback , and you
never
know , maybe it will be considered for future develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact us
here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I want
to
be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am spending
money
on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to be able to use all
features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't
bother
installing the software because it works fine without it as I am just
running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha mixer
through
the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I might take a look
at
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on
this. I
think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to see if it
can
read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know exactly. But at least
they got back to me! Will Keep everyone updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which is
like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can plug
and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very similar
to most anything else within this world of ours and I am very
certain that this specifically was not the answer you were
seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair of
high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say you
definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to get all
the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had many
issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound card
and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her disable
the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use the
computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process starts
all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are up
to
date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather













































Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene
 

I don't know why you had the hissing sound. It isn't usually a problem. I've used two external sound careds and have had no problem nor, in all my years on lists like this, have I hearcd that complaint when external sound cards were discussed.

If you didn't change your JAWS sound card settings, any sound card you plug in will be used by JAWS. Any sound card you plug in automatically becomes the default sound card untill you unplug it. Then when you connect it again, it once again becomes the default sound card. I've seen some odd behavior of sound cards and you may have to connect it, then reboot to get it to use JAWS.

I think you are overworrying and that the best thing to do is get an inexpensive sound card and see if you are satisfied. Think of it this way:
The internal soundcard on your computer is very inexpensive. I've heard better and I've heard worse but they are all well within the range of the typical listener's satisfaction. A thirty dollar sound card is so much more expensive than the built-in one that if you are satisfied with the soundcard that came with your computer, you should be satisfied with a built-in one.

If all you want to use it for is listening, try just connecting it and see if you are satisfied. You can always install the driver if you want to see if you will get better sound but I think you will be satisfied whether you install the driver or not. And you can always exchange it if you use a sstore with a good return and exchange policy.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I meant to sayn playing multiple sources, not playing multiple devices.
Whether you are using a soundcard, or a DAC, you can play multiple sources,
exactly as you could with your old sound card. This is standard.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I meant to say, playing multiple sources, not playing multiple devices. If
you want to play JAWS and other audio simultaneously, you can and you can do
the same with a sound card as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

A dac is a digital audio decoder, as I recall what the acronym stands for.
Itt is evidently just a decoder and will function as a sound card, playing
multiple devices, except that no audio processing is done. But You should
be able, yourself or with sighted help, to turn off processing in a sound
card.

I don't know how prices compare, I never checked them when comparing dacs to
soundcards.

But, as I understand it, if you just plug in any sound card, without
installing the driver, no processing will be done either. It will use a
Windows default USB driver to play the audio. People do this all the time
when doing something like installing Windows if they want sound before the
Windows sound card becomes operational. I did this with two sound cards
many years ago and no processing occurred.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

But if someone is satisfied with the internal sound card, and they don't
sound bad at all in general, why spend seventy-five dollars? I don't know
this but it appears the person wants a sound card just for listening.
Context is important in advising people. You are talking about what you
want in terms of sound when you talk about what is acceptable or desirable.
I hope others will enter the discussion so it isn't just an I say, you say
discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 10:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene,

There is no 30 dollar sound card, nothing of quality worth mentioning.
The fios dac is about 75 dollars, and is as cheap as a dac goes. The
zen has a better price/performance ratio, and is 129. These aren't high
end dacs iether, there are several near 200 dollars, several around
300-400, and a few above 2500.

On 6/16/2020 9:56 PM, Gene wrote:
What s the cost and what is the advantage over getting a thirty dollar sound card when someone says they are satisfied with the internal sound card they were using? I always take context into account when making recommendations of products if I know that context is available and may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Hi Heather,

As they recommended, I think you should get the FIO or Zen Dac, which
don't process audio, which output audio purely.

On 6/16/2020 3:15 PM, heather albright wrote:
The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar USB speaker is giving me and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it for all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the only issue for now! I do like Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the surround sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader but, than it started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I pulled out my 5 dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am not interested in gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I started doing research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can show how their sound card sounds with assistive technology. And regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you thinking of spending? And are you currently using an internal or external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures suggested too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound cards. I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm running my
mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that garbled speech would
happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their control
pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech application
gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some time. We are sadly
not able to confirm if our audio devices support text to speech
applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to get a
USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver. Therefore they
are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our product
range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback , and you never
know , maybe it will be considered for future develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact us
here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I want to
be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am spending money
on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to be able to use all
features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't bother
installing the software because it works fine without it as I am just
running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha mixer through
the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I might take a look at
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on this. I
think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to see if it can
read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know exactly. But at least
they got back to me! Will Keep everyone updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which is
like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can plug
and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very similar
to most anything else within this world of ours and I am very
certain that this specifically was not the answer you were
seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair of
high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say you
definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to get all
the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had many
issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound card
and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her disable
the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use the
computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process starts
all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are up to
date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather













































Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

heather albright
 

Yes, thank you! Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "Smiling?" <blind7@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Your internal sound card truly should not have such a hiss, but seeing as it does, I would just use the card that I recommended which was only $7.99 and you may want to buy two of them this way, you will have a dedicated sound card to play your media through where you would then have your Bose speakers setup to play and the second card to use for JAWS, but then again, you may not mind having JAWS playing through the same card. It's just like anything, entirely up to you.

These USB sound cards are just 16bit cards, so don't be expecting anything to be all of that, but at the same time, it's not going to be as bad of a sound as you may be imagining either. These cards should honestly be very similar to your onboard sound card without the hiss.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:51
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I wanted to have good media output with my bows speakers. I wanted jaws utility to work properly which I think it was the fault of my internal sound card. I use my pc for my media, I do not have a stereo to play media so it falls to my pc! It has this weird hissing sound with this usb speaker when jaws starts speaking; I wanted to insure that my knew sound card would not have this sound, it drives me crazy! Cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Smiling?" <blind7@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


If you do not mind, what specifically are you interested in doing with this particular sound card? Because I would again agree with Gene, that a basic
2.1 USB Sabrent sound card or something similar, you would be most likely entirely happy and content with. Such a sound card is less than ten bucks such as below.

$7.99 Sabrent Aluminum USB External Stereo Sound Adapter for Windows and Mac. Plug and Play No Drivers Needed. [Silver]:
https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Aluminum-External-Adapter-AU-EMAC/dp/B00OJ5AV8I/ref=sr_1_3

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 17:19
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I looked at this brand and all the videos I find are from 10 years ago. I checked amazon, there were no 4 star reviews. Maybe I did not check in the right place! I am trying to find more about the m-audio. I cant tell if it is a sound card for the pc or something to tune media for the studio. But when I search it off google, it showed as a sound card.Thanks Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Zolo" <brianzolo@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Hey there, Heather, Brian Zolo here in Gahanna, Ohio, feel free to call me BZ, grin1 Another manufacturer to check out would be turtle beach. Do a google on turtle beach usb sound cards and see what you find. They have an assorted price range and definitely would be worth checking out. BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 4:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Well for now I have no sound from my internal sound card. I wish I could find a list of sound cards to try besides creative and I tried to e-mail the other they told me about. ON got back to me and told me it was not a traditional sound card that I am thinking about. Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


If you are satisfied with the sound from your internal sound card, I
would suggest getting something like perhaps a forty to seventy U.S.
dollar UUSB external sound card and using that. I'm giving that as a
price range not because sound as good as what you were hearing can't
be gotten for less.
Others who have evaluated sound cards may be able to comment on that.
For all I know, a twenty or thirty dollar sound card might serve as
well.But I think a good sound card in the price range I gave would be
very likely to satisfy you..

If you don't intend to record using the sound card or use other
features, you can just connect it and use it. If you want to record
and use other features, you would have to install the software, or at
least the driver.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative

The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar USB speaker is giving
me and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it
for all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to
upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother
board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the
only issue for now! I do like Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the
surround sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader
but, than it started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I
pulled out my 5 dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am
not interested in gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I
started doing research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can
show how their sound card sounds with assistive technology. And
regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you
thinking of spending? And are you currently using an internal or
external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures
suggested too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound cards.
I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or
not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm
running my mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that
garbled speech would happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their
control pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following
reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech
application gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some
time. We are sadly not able to confirm if our audio devices support
text to speech applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to
get a USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver.
Therefore they are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our
product range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback ,
and you never know , maybe it will be considered for future
develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact
us here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I
want to be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am
spending money on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to
be able to use all features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't
bother installing the software because it works fine without it as I
am just running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha
mixer through the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I
might take a look at it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on
this. I think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to
see if it can read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know
exactly. But at least they got back to me! Will Keep everyone
updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which
is like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can
plug and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very
similar to most anything else within this world of ours and I
am very certain that this specifically was not the answer you
were seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair
of high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say
you definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to
get all the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had
many issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound
card and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her
disable the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use
the computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process
starts all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are
up to date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather













































Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

Smiling?
 

Your internal sound card truly should not have such a hiss, but seeing as it does, I would just use the card that I recommended which was only $7.99 and you may want to buy two of them this way, you will have a dedicated sound card to play your media through where you would then have your Bose speakers setup to play and the second card to use for JAWS, but then again, you may not mind having JAWS playing through the same card. It's just like anything, entirely up to you.

These USB sound cards are just 16bit cards, so don't be expecting anything to be all of that, but at the same time, it's not going to be as bad of a sound as you may be imagining either. These cards should honestly be very similar to your onboard sound card without the hiss.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:51
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I wanted to have good media output with my bows speakers. I wanted jaws utility to work properly which I think it was the fault of my internal sound card. I use my pc for my media, I do not have a stereo to play media so it falls to my pc! It has this weird hissing sound with this usb speaker when jaws starts speaking; I wanted to insure that my knew sound card would not have this sound, it drives me crazy! Cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Smiling?" <blind7@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


If you do not mind, what specifically are you interested in doing with this particular sound card? Because I would again agree with Gene, that a basic
2.1 USB Sabrent sound card or something similar, you would be most likely entirely happy and content with. Such a sound card is less than ten bucks such as below.

$7.99 Sabrent Aluminum USB External Stereo Sound Adapter for Windows and Mac. Plug and Play No Drivers Needed. [Silver]:
https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Aluminum-External-Adapter-AU-EMAC/dp/B00OJ5AV8I/ref=sr_1_3

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 17:19
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I looked at this brand and all the videos I find are from 10 years ago. I checked amazon, there were no 4 star reviews. Maybe I did not check in the right place! I am trying to find more about the m-audio. I cant tell if it is a sound card for the pc or something to tune media for the studio. But when I search it off google, it showed as a sound card.Thanks Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Zolo" <brianzolo@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Hey there, Heather, Brian Zolo here in Gahanna, Ohio, feel free to call me BZ, grin1 Another manufacturer to check out would be turtle beach. Do a google on turtle beach usb sound cards and see what you find. They have an assorted price range and definitely would be worth checking out. BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 4:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Well for now I have no sound from my internal sound card. I wish I could find a list of sound cards to try besides creative and I tried to e-mail the other they told me about. ON got back to me and told me it was not a traditional sound card that I am thinking about. Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


If you are satisfied with the sound from your internal sound card, I
would suggest getting something like perhaps a forty to seventy U.S.
dollar UUSB external sound card and using that. I'm giving that as a
price range not because sound as good as what you were hearing can't
be gotten for less.
Others who have evaluated sound cards may be able to comment on that.
For all I know, a twenty or thirty dollar sound card might serve as
well.But I think a good sound card in the price range I gave would be
very likely to satisfy you..

If you don't intend to record using the sound card or use other
features, you can just connect it and use it. If you want to record
and use other features, you would have to install the software, or at
least the driver.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative

The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar USB speaker is giving
me and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it
for all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to
upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother
board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the
only issue for now! I do like Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the
surround sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader
but, than it started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I
pulled out my 5 dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am
not interested in gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I
started doing research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can
show how their sound card sounds with assistive technology. And
regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you
thinking of spending? And are you currently using an internal or
external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures
suggested too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound cards.
I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or
not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm
running my mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that
garbled speech would happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their
control pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following
reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech
application gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some
time. We are sadly not able to confirm if our audio devices support
text to speech applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to
get a USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver.
Therefore they are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our
product range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback ,
and you never know , maybe it will be considered for future
develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact
us here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I
want to be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am
spending money on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to
be able to use all features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't
bother installing the software because it works fine without it as I
am just running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha
mixer through the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I
might take a look at it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on
this. I think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to
see if it can read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know
exactly. But at least they got back to me! Will Keep everyone
updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which
is like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can
plug and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very
similar to most anything else within this world of ours and I
am very certain that this specifically was not the answer you
were seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair
of high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say
you definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to
get all the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had
many issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound
card and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her
disable the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use
the computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process
starts all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are
up to date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather













































Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

heather albright
 

I wanted to have good media output with my bows speakers. I wanted jaws utility to work properly which I think it was the fault of my internal sound card. I use my pc for my media, I do not have a stereo to play media so it falls to my pc! It has this weird hissing sound with this usb speaker when jaws starts speaking; I wanted to insure that my knew sound card would not have this sound, it drives me crazy! Cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "Smiling?" <blind7@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


If you do not mind, what specifically are you interested in doing with this particular sound card? Because I would again agree with Gene, that a basic 2.1 USB Sabrent sound card or something similar, you would be most likely entirely happy and content with. Such a sound card is less than ten bucks such as below.

$7.99 Sabrent Aluminum USB External Stereo Sound Adapter for Windows and Mac. Plug and Play No Drivers Needed. [Silver]:
https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Aluminum-External-Adapter-AU-EMAC/dp/B00OJ5AV8I/ref=sr_1_3

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 17:19
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I looked at this brand and all the videos I find are from 10 years ago. I checked amazon, there were no 4 star reviews. Maybe I did not check in the right place! I am trying to find more about the m-audio. I cant tell if it is a sound card for the pc or something to tune media for the studio. But when I search it off google, it showed as a sound card.Thanks Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Zolo" <brianzolo@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Hey there, Heather, Brian Zolo here in Gahanna, Ohio, feel free to call me BZ, grin1 Another manufacturer to check out would be turtle beach. Do a google on turtle beach usb sound cards and see what you find. They have an assorted price range and definitely would be worth checking out. BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 4:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Well for now I have no sound from my internal sound card. I wish I could find a list of sound cards to try besides creative and I tried to e-mail the other they told me about. ON got back to me and told me it was not a traditional sound card that I am thinking about. Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


If you are satisfied with the sound from your internal sound card, I
would suggest getting something like perhaps a forty to seventy U.S.
dollar UUSB external sound card and using that. I'm giving that as a
price range not because sound as good as what you were hearing can't
be gotten for less.
Others who have evaluated sound cards may be able to comment on that.
For all I know, a twenty or thirty dollar sound card might serve as
well.But I think a good sound card in the price range I gave would be
very likely to satisfy you..

If you don't intend to record using the sound card or use other
features, you can just connect it and use it. If you want to record
and use other features, you would have to install the software, or at
least the driver.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative

The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar USB speaker is giving
me and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it
for all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to
upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother
board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the
only issue for now! I do like Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the
surround sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader
but, than it started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I
pulled out my 5 dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am
not interested in gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I
started doing research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can
show how their sound card sounds with assistive technology. And
regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you
thinking of spending? And are you currently using an internal or
external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures
suggested too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound cards.
I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or
not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm
running my mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that
garbled speech would happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their
control pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following
reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech
application gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some
time. We are sadly not able to confirm if our audio devices support
text to speech applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to
get a USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver.
Therefore they are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our
product range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback ,
and you never know , maybe it will be considered for future
develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact
us here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I
want to be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am
spending money on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to
be able to use all features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't
bother installing the software because it works fine without it as I
am just running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha
mixer through the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I
might take a look at it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on
this. I think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to
see if it can read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know
exactly. But at least they got back to me! Will Keep everyone
updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which
is like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can
plug and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very
similar to most anything else within this world of ours and I
am very certain that this specifically was not the answer you
were seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair
of high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say
you definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to
get all the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had
many issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound
card and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her
disable the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use
the computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process
starts all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are
up to date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather













































Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

heather albright
 

Thank you all for all the help, I learned a lot woe! Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


I meant to say, playing multiple sources, not playing multiple devices. If you want to play JAWS and other audio simultaneously, you can and you can do the same with a sound card as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

A dac is a digital audio decoder, as I recall what the acronym stands for.
Itt is evidently just a decoder and will function as a sound card, playing
multiple devices, except that no audio processing is done. But You should
be able, yourself or with sighted help, to turn off processing in a sound
card.

I don't know how prices compare, I never checked them when comparing dacs to
soundcards.

But, as I understand it, if you just plug in any sound card, without
installing the driver, no processing will be done either. It will use a
Windows default USB driver to play the audio. People do this all the time
when doing something like installing Windows if they want sound before the
Windows sound card becomes operational. I did this with two sound cards
many years ago and no processing occurred.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

But if someone is satisfied with the internal sound card, and they don't
sound bad at all in general, why spend seventy-five dollars? I don't know
this but it appears the person wants a sound card just for listening.
Context is important in advising people. You are talking about what you
want in terms of sound when you talk about what is acceptable or desirable.
I hope others will enter the discussion so it isn't just an I say, you say
discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 10:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene,

There is no 30 dollar sound card, nothing of quality worth mentioning.
The fios dac is about 75 dollars, and is as cheap as a dac goes. The
zen has a better price/performance ratio, and is 129. These aren't high
end dacs iether, there are several near 200 dollars, several around
300-400, and a few above 2500.

On 6/16/2020 9:56 PM, Gene wrote:
What s the cost and what is the advantage over getting a thirty dollar sound card when someone says they are satisfied with the internal sound card they were using? I always take context into account when making recommendations of products if I know that context is available and may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Hi Heather,

As they recommended, I think you should get the FIO or Zen Dac, which
don't process audio, which output audio purely.

On 6/16/2020 3:15 PM, heather albright wrote:
The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar USB speaker is giving me and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it for all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the only issue for now! I do like Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the surround sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader but, than it started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I pulled out my 5 dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am not interested in gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I started doing research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can show how their sound card sounds with assistive technology. And regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you thinking of spending? And are you currently using an internal or external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures suggested too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound cards. I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm running my
mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that garbled speech would
happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their control
pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech application
gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some time. We are sadly
not able to confirm if our audio devices support text to speech
applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to get a
USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver. Therefore they
are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our product
range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback , and you never
know , maybe it will be considered for future develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact us
here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I want to
be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am spending money
on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to be able to use all
features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't bother
installing the software because it works fine without it as I am just
running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha mixer through
the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I might take a look at
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on this. I
think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to see if it can
read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know exactly. But at least
they got back to me! Will Keep everyone updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which is
like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can plug
and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very similar
to most anything else within this world of ours and I am very
certain that this specifically was not the answer you were
seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair of
high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say you
definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to get all
the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had many
issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound card
and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her disable
the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use the
computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process starts
all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are up to
date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather



















































Re: Sonos Icon on PC Desktop

Steve Matzura
 

Yes.

On 6/17/2020 11:15 AM, Fanus wrote:
Hello list
Ever since I installed my first Sonos speaker 3 years ago there was the
Sonos Icon on my pc desktop. Last week when I activated Sonos on the pc
there was a software update and now there is a second sonos icon which is
Sonos S1 Controller. Is this what should have happened after the update?
Regards
Fanus


Re: Converting video from AVI to MKV

Steven Johnson
 

Thanks Simon.  Prism is working well for me.  The Mrs. Says that the video is good.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of goshawk on horseback
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Converting video from AVI to MKV
Importance: High

 

I would recommend the prism video format converter from nch software.

 

Simon

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:33 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Converting video from AVI to MKV

 

Good day everyone.  I want to convert a bunch of TV shows from AVI to MKV H365 format to play on my wife’s Vizio television’s built-in media player.  Could someone recommend a good, speech-friendly file converter?  VLC doesn’t offer the MKV format in its list of conversion file types.  Thanks in advance.


Sonos Icon on PC Desktop

Fanus
 

Hello list
Ever since I installed my first Sonos speaker 3 years ago there was the
Sonos Icon on my pc desktop. Last week when I activated Sonos on the pc
there was a software update and now there is a second sonos icon which is
Sonos S1 Controller. Is this what should have happened after the update?
Regards
Fanus


Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

Smiling?
 

DAC is actually a Digital Audio Converter hence D A C, not a decoder at all.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:03
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

A dac is a digital audio decoder, as I recall what the acronym stands for.
Itt is evidently just a decoder and will function as a sound card, playing multiple devices, except that no audio processing is done. But You should be able, yourself or with sighted help, to turn off processing in a sound card.

I don't know how prices compare, I never checked them when comparing dacs to soundcards.

But, as I understand it, if you just plug in any sound card, without installing the driver, no processing will be done either. It will use a Windows default USB driver to play the audio. People do this all the time when doing something like installing Windows if they want sound before the Windows sound card becomes operational. I did this with two sound cards many years ago and no processing occurred.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

But if someone is satisfied with the internal sound card, and they don't
sound bad at all in general, why spend seventy-five dollars? I don't know
this but it appears the person wants a sound card just for listening.
Context is important in advising people. You are talking about what you
want in terms of sound when you talk about what is acceptable or desirable.
I hope others will enter the discussion so it isn't just an I say, you say
discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 10:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene,

There is no 30 dollar sound card, nothing of quality worth mentioning.
The fios dac is about 75 dollars, and is as cheap as a dac goes. The
zen has a better price/performance ratio, and is 129. These aren't high
end dacs iether, there are several near 200 dollars, several around
300-400, and a few above 2500.

On 6/16/2020 9:56 PM, Gene wrote:
What s the cost and what is the advantage over getting a thirty dollar
sound card when someone says they are satisfied with the internal sound
card they were using? I always take context into account when making
recommendations of products if I know that context is available and may
matter.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Hi Heather,

As they recommended, I think you should get the FIO or Zen Dac, which
don't process audio, which output audio purely.

On 6/16/2020 3:15 PM, heather albright wrote:
The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar USB speaker is giving me
and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it for
all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to
upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother
board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the only
issue for now! I do like Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the surround
sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader but, than it
started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I pulled out my 5
dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am not interested in
gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I started doing
research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can show how their sound
card sounds with assistive technology. And regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you
thinking of spending? And are you currently using an internal or
external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures suggested
too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound
cards. I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or
not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "chris judge"
<chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm running
my
mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that garbled speech
would
happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their
control
pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following
reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech application
gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some time. We are sadly
not able to confirm if our audio devices support text to speech
applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to
get a
USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver. Therefore
they
are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our product
range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback , and you
never
know , maybe it will be considered for future develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact us
here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I want
to
be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am spending
money
on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to be able to use all
features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't
bother
installing the software because it works fine without it as I am just
running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha mixer
through
the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I might take a look
at
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on
this. I
think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to see if it
can
read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know exactly. But at least
they got back to me! Will Keep everyone updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which is
like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can plug
and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very similar
to most anything else within this world of ours and I am very
certain that this specifically was not the answer you were
seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair of
high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say you
definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to get all
the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had many
issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound card
and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her disable
the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use the
computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process starts
all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are up
to
date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather













































Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene
 

I meant to sayn playing multiple sources, not playing multiple devices. Whether you are using a soundcard, or a DAC, you can play multiple sources, exactly as you could with your old sound card. This is standard.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I meant to say, playing multiple sources, not playing multiple devices. If
you want to play JAWS and other audio simultaneously, you can and you can do
the same with a sound card as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

A dac is a digital audio decoder, as I recall what the acronym stands for.
Itt is evidently just a decoder and will function as a sound card, playing
multiple devices, except that no audio processing is done. But You should
be able, yourself or with sighted help, to turn off processing in a sound
card.

I don't know how prices compare, I never checked them when comparing dacs to
soundcards.

But, as I understand it, if you just plug in any sound card, without
installing the driver, no processing will be done either. It will use a
Windows default USB driver to play the audio. People do this all the time
when doing something like installing Windows if they want sound before the
Windows sound card becomes operational. I did this with two sound cards
many years ago and no processing occurred.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

But if someone is satisfied with the internal sound card, and they don't
sound bad at all in general, why spend seventy-five dollars? I don't know
this but it appears the person wants a sound card just for listening.
Context is important in advising people. You are talking about what you
want in terms of sound when you talk about what is acceptable or desirable.
I hope others will enter the discussion so it isn't just an I say, you say
discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 10:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene,

There is no 30 dollar sound card, nothing of quality worth mentioning.
The fios dac is about 75 dollars, and is as cheap as a dac goes. The
zen has a better price/performance ratio, and is 129. These aren't high
end dacs iether, there are several near 200 dollars, several around
300-400, and a few above 2500.

On 6/16/2020 9:56 PM, Gene wrote:
What s the cost and what is the advantage over getting a thirty dollar sound card when someone says they are satisfied with the internal sound card they were using? I always take context into account when making recommendations of products if I know that context is available and may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Hi Heather,

As they recommended, I think you should get the FIO or Zen Dac, which
don't process audio, which output audio purely.

On 6/16/2020 3:15 PM, heather albright wrote:
The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar USB speaker is giving me and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it for all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the only issue for now! I do like Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the surround sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader but, than it started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I pulled out my 5 dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am not interested in gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I started doing research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can show how their sound card sounds with assistive technology. And regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you thinking of spending? And are you currently using an internal or external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures suggested too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound cards. I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm running my
mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that garbled speech would
happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their control
pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech application
gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some time. We are sadly
not able to confirm if our audio devices support text to speech
applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to get a
USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver. Therefore they
are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our product
range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback , and you never
know , maybe it will be considered for future develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact us
here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I want to
be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am spending money
on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to be able to use all
features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't bother
installing the software because it works fine without it as I am just
running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha mixer through
the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I might take a look at
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on this. I
think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to see if it can
read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know exactly. But at least
they got back to me! Will Keep everyone updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which is
like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can plug
and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very similar
to most anything else within this world of ours and I am very
certain that this specifically was not the answer you were
seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair of
high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say you
definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to get all
the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had many
issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound card
and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her disable
the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use the
computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process starts
all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are up to
date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather













































Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene
 

I meant to say, playing multiple sources, not playing multiple devices. If you want to play JAWS and other audio simultaneously, you can and you can do the same with a sound card as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

A dac is a digital audio decoder, as I recall what the acronym stands for.
Itt is evidently just a decoder and will function as a sound card, playing
multiple devices, except that no audio processing is done. But You should
be able, yourself or with sighted help, to turn off processing in a sound
card.

I don't know how prices compare, I never checked them when comparing dacs to
soundcards.

But, as I understand it, if you just plug in any sound card, without
installing the driver, no processing will be done either. It will use a
Windows default USB driver to play the audio. People do this all the time
when doing something like installing Windows if they want sound before the
Windows sound card becomes operational. I did this with two sound cards
many years ago and no processing occurred.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

But if someone is satisfied with the internal sound card, and they don't
sound bad at all in general, why spend seventy-five dollars? I don't know
this but it appears the person wants a sound card just for listening.
Context is important in advising people. You are talking about what you
want in terms of sound when you talk about what is acceptable or desirable.
I hope others will enter the discussion so it isn't just an I say, you say
discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 10:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene,

There is no 30 dollar sound card, nothing of quality worth mentioning.
The fios dac is about 75 dollars, and is as cheap as a dac goes. The
zen has a better price/performance ratio, and is 129. These aren't high
end dacs iether, there are several near 200 dollars, several around
300-400, and a few above 2500.

On 6/16/2020 9:56 PM, Gene wrote:
What s the cost and what is the advantage over getting a thirty dollar sound card when someone says they are satisfied with the internal sound card they were using? I always take context into account when making recommendations of products if I know that context is available and may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Hi Heather,

As they recommended, I think you should get the FIO or Zen Dac, which
don't process audio, which output audio purely.

On 6/16/2020 3:15 PM, heather albright wrote:
The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar USB speaker is giving me and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it for all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the only issue for now! I do like Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the surround sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader but, than it started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I pulled out my 5 dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am not interested in gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I started doing research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can show how their sound card sounds with assistive technology. And regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you thinking of spending? And are you currently using an internal or external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures suggested too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound cards. I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm running my
mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that garbled speech would
happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their control
pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech application
gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some time. We are sadly
not able to confirm if our audio devices support text to speech
applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to get a
USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver. Therefore they
are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our product
range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback , and you never
know , maybe it will be considered for future develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact us
here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I want to
be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am spending money
on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to be able to use all
features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't bother
installing the software because it works fine without it as I am just
running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha mixer through
the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I might take a look at
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on this. I
think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to see if it can
read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know exactly. But at least
they got back to me! Will Keep everyone updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which is
like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can plug
and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very similar
to most anything else within this world of ours and I am very
certain that this specifically was not the answer you were
seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair of
high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say you
definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to get all
the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had many
issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound card
and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her disable
the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use the
computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process starts
all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are up to
date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather













































Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene
 

A dac is a digital audio decoder, as I recall what the acronym stands for. Itt is evidently just a decoder and will function as a sound card, playing multiple devices, except that no audio processing is done. But You should be able, yourself or with sighted help, to turn off processing in a sound card.

I don't know how prices compare, I never checked them when comparing dacs to soundcards.

But, as I understand it, if you just plug in any sound card, without installing the driver, no processing will be done either. It will use a Windows default USB driver to play the audio. People do this all the time when doing something like installing Windows if they want sound before the Windows sound card becomes operational. I did this with two sound cards many years ago and no processing occurred.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

But if someone is satisfied with the internal sound card, and they don't
sound bad at all in general, why spend seventy-five dollars? I don't know
this but it appears the person wants a sound card just for listening.
Context is important in advising people. You are talking about what you
want in terms of sound when you talk about what is acceptable or desirable.
I hope others will enter the discussion so it isn't just an I say, you say
discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 10:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene,

There is no 30 dollar sound card, nothing of quality worth mentioning.
The fios dac is about 75 dollars, and is as cheap as a dac goes. The
zen has a better price/performance ratio, and is 129. These aren't high
end dacs iether, there are several near 200 dollars, several around
300-400, and a few above 2500.

On 6/16/2020 9:56 PM, Gene wrote:
What s the cost and what is the advantage over getting a thirty dollar sound card when someone says they are satisfied with the internal sound card they were using? I always take context into account when making recommendations of products if I know that context is available and may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Hi Heather,

As they recommended, I think you should get the FIO or Zen Dac, which
don't process audio, which output audio purely.

On 6/16/2020 3:15 PM, heather albright wrote:
The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar USB speaker is giving me and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it for all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the only issue for now! I do like Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the surround sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader but, than it started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I pulled out my 5 dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am not interested in gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I started doing research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can show how their sound card sounds with assistive technology. And regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you thinking of spending? And are you currently using an internal or external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures suggested too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound cards. I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm running my
mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that garbled speech would
happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their control
pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech application
gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some time. We are sadly
not able to confirm if our audio devices support text to speech
applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to get a
USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver. Therefore they
are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our product
range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback , and you never
know , maybe it will be considered for future develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact us
here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I want to
be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am spending money
on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to be able to use all
features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't bother
installing the software because it works fine without it as I am just
running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha mixer through
the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I might take a look at
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on this. I
think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to see if it can
read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know exactly. But at least
they got back to me! Will Keep everyone updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which is
like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can plug
and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very similar
to most anything else within this world of ours and I am very
certain that this specifically was not the answer you were
seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair of
high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say you
definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to get all
the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had many
issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound card
and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her disable
the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use the
computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process starts
all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are up to
date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather













































Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene
 

But if someone is satisfied with the internal sound card, and they don't sound bad at all in general, why spend seventy-five dollars? I don't know this but it appears the person wants a sound card just for listening. Context is important in advising people. You are talking about what you want in terms of sound when you talk about what is acceptable or desirable. I hope others will enter the discussion so it isn't just an I say, you say discussion.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 10:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Gene,

There is no 30 dollar sound card, nothing of quality worth mentioning.
The fios dac is about 75 dollars, and is as cheap as a dac goes. The
zen has a better price/performance ratio, and is 129. These aren't high
end dacs iether, there are several near 200 dollars, several around
300-400, and a few above 2500.

On 6/16/2020 9:56 PM, Gene wrote:
What s the cost and what is the advantage over getting a thirty dollar sound card when someone says they are satisfied with the internal sound card they were using? I always take context into account when making recommendations of products if I know that context is available and may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Hi Heather,

As they recommended, I think you should get the FIO or Zen Dac, which
don't process audio, which output audio purely.

On 6/16/2020 3:15 PM, heather albright wrote:
The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar USB speaker is giving me and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it for all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the only issue for now! I do like Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the surround sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader but, than it started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I pulled out my 5 dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am not interested in gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I started doing research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can show how their sound card sounds with assistive technology. And regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you thinking of spending? And are you currently using an internal or external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures suggested too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound cards. I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm running my
mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that garbled speech would
happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their control
pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech application
gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some time. We are sadly
not able to confirm if our audio devices support text to speech
applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to get a
USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver. Therefore they
are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our product
range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback , and you never
know , maybe it will be considered for future develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact us
here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I want to
be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am spending money
on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to be able to use all
features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't bother
installing the software because it works fine without it as I am just
running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha mixer through
the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I might take a look at
it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather
albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on this. I
think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to see if it can
read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know exactly. But at least
they got back to me! Will Keep everyone updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which is
like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can plug
and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very similar
to most anything else within this world of ours and I am very
certain that this specifically was not the answer you were
seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair of
high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say you
definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to get all
the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had many
issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound card
and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her disable
the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use the
computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process starts
all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are up to
date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather













































Re: Edge/Jaws settings questions

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Yes, exactly my point. By merely giving information that is helpful in outlining the reasons for the problem, you leave the student exactly where he started. By this I mean that he may be able to understand why he is having difficulty, but you offer no solutions, no way to make the situation better. Essentially, you've said, "well, you can't use Edge with your version of Jaws so either get an update or go pound sand."

Sure, the easiest solution is to upgrade Jaws. That may or may not be possible. I should think that the ultimate goal would be to access the given web sites which were problematic.

Therefore, the student needs a practical solution for the problem which is multifaceted.

1. Update Jaws which today is possible for free.

2. Use a different browser to access the web, e.g. Chrome or FF or even IE.

3. Use a different screen reader like NVDA.

This gives the student the opportunity to choose his path, a guide toward his ultimate goal. That's all I'm saying.

Ann P.


Original message:

No, but his questions were specifically about edge. Jaws versions below 2020
don't work well with the new edge.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann
Parsons
Sent: June 16, 2020 5:07 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Edge/Jaws settings questions
Hi all,
Yes, Edge has been updated recently, but brushing somebody off with "His
issue is that he's using a version of jaws older than 2020.",, I'm afraid is
a cop out! That's about as bad as telling someone to RTFM.
If Edge has only recently become useful in Jaws or anything else, and if he
doesn't have the latest and greatest screen reader, preventing him from
accessing The New Edge, then other alternatives need to be found. How about
trying a different browser? How about trying a different screen reader?
Sorry, but Edge is not the be all and end all of browsers. Neither is any
other browser. They are tools, and sometimes they don't work, period!
That's why a smart person uses more than one screen reader and more than one
browser!
I dislike Edge because I don't happen to know its commands well at all, and
even though I have Jaws 2020 and all, I'm not able to make it work
successfully for my needs. So, I use Chrome! I even use IE on occasion.
There are some few web sites that work best in IE. Yes, I know it's legacy,
but if it works, who am I to fix it?
So let's stop being insular around here, eh? Let's open ourselves to the
possibility that something other than Jaws may just be more effective in a
given situation. It works the other way around too. I always proof books
for Bookshare using Jaws. It works the best for this particular task. I
would not use it for outlook because it can't
decide what the Hell line it's reading in the folder summary. So, I
use NVDA or SA. Ya got to be flexible, folks!
Ann P.


Original message:
His issue is that he's using a version of jaws older than 2020.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: June 16, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Edge/Jaws settings questions
There are lots of edit fields on web sites that aren't properly
accessible.
I write the message in Notepad, then copy and paste it into the web
site's edit field.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Madison Martin
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 5:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Edge/Jaws settings questions
Hi all,
When I type a message or any info into one of those contact forms that
lots of websites use and I go back up to read the message or whatever
info I want to read Jaws doesn't read it. This also happens when I
send someone a message on Facebook. Also when I erase a letter in such
a situation Jaws doesn't tell me what I erased it just says blank.
Now, are these things that can be changed?
If
so, where do I go and how do I change these settings? I'd really like
to be able to read the message and info that I put in the forms before
sending and also the Facebook messages before sending and also know what
I'm erasing.
I'm running the latest Edge, Jaws 18 and Windows 10. Thanks for any
help that anyone can provide me!!!!!!
Madison












--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor
"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."




--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Looking for an easy to use accessible .html to .txt batch converter

Smiling?
 

Maybe try having the TXT files go into a different directory? Name it just 1 or whatever, otherwise unfortunately no ideas come to mind.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 9:25
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Looking for an easy to use accessible .html to .txt batch converter

 

I'm having an issue  with that program.  I select the files to convert, (using the file path, making sure the checkbox for all sub folders is checked, and placing the *.html and *.txt in the paths and then click convert.

 

when the program is done, all the text files are blank.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Smiling?

Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:48 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Looking for an easy to use accessible .html to .txt batch converter

 

HTMLAsText: Convert HTML to text (Freeware):

http://www.nirsoftnet/utils/htmlastext.html

 

Direct Link titled Download HTMLAsText (HTML to Text Convertor)   which is located at the bottom of the page:

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/htmlastext.zip

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 8:41
To: tech talk for the blind <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Looking for an easy to use accessible .html to .txt batch converter

 

Subject line says it all.

 

Looking for an easy to use accessible .html to .txt batch file converter

 

Jaws and windows 10

 


Re: having sound issues, communication from creative

Smiling?
 

If you do not mind, what specifically are you interested in doing with this particular sound card? Because I would again agree with Gene, that a basic 2.1 USB Sabrent sound card or something similar, you would be most likely entirely happy and content with. Such a sound card is less than ten bucks such as below.

$7.99 Sabrent Aluminum USB External Stereo Sound Adapter for Windows and Mac. Plug and Play No Drivers Needed. [Silver]:
https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Aluminum-External-Adapter-AU-EMAC/dp/B00OJ5AV8I/ref=sr_1_3

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 17:19
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

I looked at this brand and all the videos I find are from 10 years ago. I checked amazon, there were no 4 star reviews. Maybe I did not check in the right place! I am trying to find more about the m-audio. I cant tell if it is a sound card for the pc or something to tune media for the studio. But when I search it off google, it showed as a sound card.Thanks Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Zolo" <brianzolo@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


Hey there, Heather, Brian Zolo here in Gahanna, Ohio, feel free to call me BZ, grin1 Another manufacturer to check out would be turtle beach. Do a google on turtle beach usb sound cards and see what you find. They have an assorted price range and definitely would be worth checking out. BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 4:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative

Well for now I have no sound from my internal sound card. I wish I could find a list of sound cards to try besides creative and I tried to e-mail the other they told me about. ON got back to me and told me it was not a traditional sound card that I am thinking about. Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from creative


If you are satisfied with the sound from your internal sound card, I
would suggest getting something like perhaps a forty to seventy U.S.
dollar UUSB external sound card and using that. I'm giving that as a
price range not because sound as good as what you were hearing can't
be gotten for less.
Others who have evaluated sound cards may be able to comment on that.
For all I know, a twenty or thirty dollar sound card might serve as
well.But I think a good sound card in the price range I gave would be
very likely to satisfy you..

If you don't intend to record using the sound card or use other
features, you can just connect it and use it. If you want to record
and use other features, you would have to install the software, or at
least the driver.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative

The sound went out from the sound card off the mother board.
So I am looking to external USB connected sound cards.
I did not like the sound that my little5 dollar USB speaker is giving
me and prefer to be able to use my 3.5 bows speakers again.
I wanted to have a sound card that jaws could use and I could use it
for all other audio from my MP3 library. I also watch youtube videos too.
I wanted a good quality sound card and I could take it if I have to
upgrade to another pc. If things are starting to go bad off the mother
board. For now it is just the sound and as far as I know that is the
only issue for now! I do like Dolby AC-3 for my media. Like the
surround sound too. IT is just audio first it was the screen reader
but, than it started affecting other sounds too. So that is why I
pulled out my 5 dollar USB speaker so I would still have sound. I am
not interested in gaming and i find that is all they talk about when I
started doing research. I wish we had some blind youtubers who can
show how their sound card sounds with assistive technology. And
regular audio. Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative


Does the problem just happen with speech? How much money are you
thinking of spending? And are you currently using an internal or
external soundcard?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative

I am in the process of e-mailing the sound card manufactures
suggested too.
I left a review and thanked them for their honesty about the sound cards.
I
guess the did not test weather or not the controls were accessible or
not!
Cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative


Interesting. I got mine a week ago. So far it sounds great. I'm
running my mixer through it and all is well. It seems funny that
garbled speech would happen over time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues, communication from
creative

This is what I got back from creative. They did not discuss their
control pannel at all. "Creative Support (Creative Labs Pte Ltd.)

Jun 16, 2020, 5:00:38 PM GMT+8

Dear Heather,

I have talked to the technical product team and we got the following
reply :

"Recalling that we had some cases whereby the text to speech
application gives garbled sound on the Sound Blaster Z after some
time. We are sadly not able to confirm if our audio devices support
text to speech applications.

As audio processing may affect pure voice audio, it is recommended to
get a USB DAC that does not provide any audio processing.

Most of our USB DAC have some audio processing on the driver.
Therefore they are not recommended for your desired usage.

You may want to check out USB DAC from other manufacturers like FiiO,
AudioQuest, Audioengine that do not provide audio effects.

We are truly sorry , that we dont have anything suitable in our
product range , but I have posted your suggestion in our feedback ,
and you never know , maybe it will be considered for future
develeopments.-

If you are having any other inquiries now or later on, please contact
us here again.

Have a great day.

Regards,
Marcel"

So there you go, they even give suggestions to other sound cards. I
want to be able to control how my sound card puts out audio. If I am
spending money on a product, I believe I have the right to expect to
be able to use all features of that product.
cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


Please do. I just purchased a creative sound blaster Audigy. I didn't
bother installing the software because it works fine without it as I
am just running my speakers through the audio line out, and my Yamaha
mixer through the line in, but if the control panel is accessible I
might take a look at it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: June 16, 2020 2:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Well, creative got back to me today and I have two people working on
this. I think they are going to use narrator and jaws in 40 mode to
see if it can read the controls and how it sounds. I do not know
exactly. But at least they got back to me! Will Keep everyone
updated.
cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I don't know honestly. I personally am looking at the Zen dac, which
is like 20 cheaper than the creative, but I think audiophile or music
orientated audio dacs are the best, as they don't have the sound
effects and such gamer cards have.

On 6/15/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:
Woe, I just so this e-mail, which brands are recommended? thanks,
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


I would avoid the creative ones. There are reports online that the
driver software has bugs under 10, and that the direct mode, whith
enhancements disabled, isn't as neutral as it should be. Moreover,
the enhancements would mess with NVDA or JAWS, and be annoying.

On 6/12/2020 7:27 PM, heather albright wrote:
I am trying to find one that supports Dolby digital sound for my
audio files. I heard the Creative Sound Blaster was a good brand.
Has anyone used this type of sound card? Also do you have to use
proprietary software or will windows10 detect the sound card. I
keep reading about them off amazon and first they say you can
plug and goe and than they said you have to to use Creative Sound
Blaster controls to do ajustments to the sound card. That is fine
but will the drivers be accessible to jaws or NVDA? Thanks
Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş"
<enes.saribas@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues


But isn't there a midrange, to high grade price range? I read
around
100-200 dollars average for a good one.

On 6/12/2020 8:45 AM, Smiling? wrote:
Honestly, as much as you the user would like to pay. Very
similar to most anything else within this world of ours and I
am very certain that this specifically was not the answer you
were seeking, but it's definitely the truth.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 3:32
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

Hi,

How much does a very good USB soundcard cost? I bought a pair
of high res audiophile grade headphones, and the reviews say
you definately need an external DAC/soundcard to drive them to
get all the quality.

On 6/4/2020 3:15 PM, chris judge wrote:
It seems to be an issue common with dell. I have an XPS 8930,
and although I love the machine for the most part, I've had
many issues with the sound. I finally ordered a good USB sound
card and M going to forgo the onboard sound card.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 4, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

The further glories of Windows 10.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: wendy Sheld-Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 2:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having sound issues

This has happened to my partner after every major Windows update.
She has a Dell Lattitude and is using JAWS. Dell had her
disable the Real Tech audio drivers so the computer would use
the computer speakers.
This does fix the issue but like I said, every major update
re-installs the Real Tech drivers again and this process
starts all over again. Hope this helps.

Wendy Walker


On 6/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
Hello, after the windows update, my sound is crappy, it gets
really loud and than goes really low. It saids my drivers are
up to date .
So how do I fix this issue, it is quite annoying I am using
jaws or NVDA they both have the same issue, loud and low.
Thanks Heather