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Re: Windows XP

John Holcomb II
 

I know for Windows 7, they will keep updating the definitions until sometime in 2023.

Between that and Malwarebytes premium, that’s how I keep myself protected everywhere. So for those that I’ve upgraded to 10, I’ve use Malwarebytes with what would be  MSE’s replacement, defender.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 3:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows XP

 

Its an interesting question.  I’m curious if Microsoft is still making definitions available to Microsoft Security Essentials in XP.  it did for years after support stopped but I have no idea now.  and I have no idea if you can get the program that ran in XP.  But it was very accessible.  Perhaps others know more about that.

 

I use my XP machines for so little these days that I haven’t kept up with antivirus programs that are accessible and can be used.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Windows XP

 

I have read that some of you on this list still have a Windows XP.  I would like to know what do you use for virus protection.

 

Veronica

 


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

John Holcomb II
 

Yeah I know you can’t.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 3:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I can’t comment on that. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 1:56 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

No I’m  not saying that.

I’m saying I hope that Windows 10 takes advantage  of the power I have in this box.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:00 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

If you are saying that if you have all sorts of power so your machine isn’t working as hard and will last longer, I consider that very questionable.  Perhaps with an underpowered machine the machine working harder and producing more heat might shorten its life, but I doubt that having too much power would cause a machine to last longer.  And then, there is the cost.  If I spend six or seven hundred dollars for a machine and I use it seven or eight years, then I buy another one, if I want the same rough amount of power, it will cost less, perhaps much less.  I may be paying for two machines of the power I will be using in order to try to make one machine last longer.

 

Gene

Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 12:19 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Why not?

I have al of this power. What is the point if nothing will use it ?

I’d like to think because I have all of this power and can do all of these cores and  threading, that it’d run longer with things taking advantage of this.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Hi,

That is still a good machine I would think. A friend has a similar processor, the i7 6700 K if I remember right, and he said it is still mostly fast. And no unfortunately screen readers don't take advantage of multicore, and probably never will according to discussion on the NVDA group.

On 6/19/2021 4:43 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Yeah… When I bought this in 2017 AMD wasn’t in the game yet or I wouldn’t have bought this.

Do  our screen readers and Windows take advantage of multi-core processors yet I wonder?

Mine is overkill I know, but I’ll probably keep it until it becomes too slow.

Whitebox

3.75 gigahertz Intel Core i7-6950X

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. SABERTOOTH X99 Rev 1.xx

64GB DDR4 ram.

I forget which ram I put in here.

I plan to put an M.2 SSD in here next and upgrade to I guess it’ll be Windows 11? As right now I’m on a spinning Western Digital Red on Windows 7.

This will be much better when I put an M.2 in here I’m sure!

The graphics is a Nvidia GForce 210

John

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 2:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

not only that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a much higher wattage part, but barely produces any heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR software. But the number of things that take advantage will only grow as time passes. And right now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even  in single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the desktop they backported a 10 nm  process to 14 nm, making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K. If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are easily the worst processor reviews I have read ever.

On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Windows XP

Veronica Kirk
 

I would use it online depending upon what type antivirus is available, as then I would not have to use my windows-7 computer as much since it is my main computer.

 

Veronica

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 3:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows XP

 

You didn’t say you use your computer online or how.  You may not need antivirus protection, depending on how you use it.  But we would need to know more about that to have an opinion.

 

gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 3:04 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows XP

 

Thank you Gene for your reply.  I do have AVG on the XP that I have, but I am not sure if it is running properly.  I mainly use that computer for listening to CDs as WMP works very well, as does the CD player.  I did not know that Microsoft Essentials was used as far back as windows XP.  Many years ago I used this particular computer when I worked as a medical transcriptionist, and my company placed AVG on the machine.

 

Veronica

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows XP

 

Its an interesting question.  I’m curious if Microsoft is still making definitions available to Microsoft Security Essentials in XP.  it did for years after support stopped but I have no idea now.  and I have no idea if you can get the program that ran in XP.  But it was very accessible.  Perhaps others know more about that.

 

I use my XP machines for so little these days that I haven’t kept up with antivirus programs that are accessible and can be used.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Windows XP

 

I have read that some of you on this list still have a Windows XP.  I would like to know what do you use for virus protection.

 

Veronica

 


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

enes sarıbaş
 

Gene remember though the pricepoints for desktops and laptops are totally different. A 600-700 machine for a desktop is around 900 or more for a laptop to achieve a similar level of performance. And desktops are indeed more durable, even more so for quality components. You can literally swap out the motherboard and processor if it gets too slow.

On 6/20/2021 1:00 PM, Gene wrote:
If you are saying that if you have all sorts of power so your machine isn’t working as hard and will last longer, I consider that very questionable.  Perhaps with an underpowered machine the machine working harder and producing more heat might shorten its life, but I doubt that having too much power would cause a machine to last longer.  And then, there is the cost.  If I spend six or seven hundred dollars for a machine and I use it seven or eight years, then I buy another one, if I want the same rough amount of power, it will cost less, perhaps much less.  I may be paying for two machines of the power I will be using in order to try to make one machine last longer.
 
Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop
 

Why not?

I have al of this power. What is the point if nothing will use it ?

I’d like to think because I have all of this power and can do all of these cores and  threading, that it’d run longer with things taking advantage of this.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Hi,

That is still a good machine I would think. A friend has a similar processor, the i7 6700 K if I remember right, and he said it is still mostly fast. And no unfortunately screen readers don't take advantage of multicore, and probably never will according to discussion on the NVDA group.

On 6/19/2021 4:43 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Yeah… When I bought this in 2017 AMD wasn’t in the game yet or I wouldn’t have bought this.

Do  our screen readers and Windows take advantage of multi-core processors yet I wonder?

Mine is overkill I know, but I’ll probably keep it until it becomes too slow.

Whitebox

3.75 gigahertz Intel Core i7-6950X

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. SABERTOOTH X99 Rev 1.xx

64GB DDR4 ram.

I forget which ram I put in here.

I plan to put an M.2 SSD in here next and upgrade to I guess it’ll be Windows 11? As right now I’m on a spinning Western Digital Red on Windows 7.

This will be much better when I put an M.2 in here I’m sure!

The graphics is a Nvidia GForce 210

John

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 2:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

not only that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a much higher wattage part, but barely produces any heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR software. But the number of things that take advantage will only grow as time passes. And right now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even  in single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the desktop they backported a 10 nm  process to 14 nm, making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K. If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are easily the worst processor reviews I have read ever.

On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

enes sarıbaş
 

Well other apps will though. Browsers certainly do, windows presumably does, and several other things. So it isn't for nothing.

On 6/20/2021 12:19 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Why not?

I have al of this power. What is the point if nothing will use it ?

I’d like to think because I have all of this power and can do all of these cores and  threading, that it’d run longer with things taking advantage of this.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Hi,

That is still a good machine I would think. A friend has a similar processor, the i7 6700 K if I remember right, and he said it is still mostly fast. And no unfortunately screen readers don't take advantage of multicore, and probably never will according to discussion on the NVDA group.

On 6/19/2021 4:43 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Yeah… When I bought this in 2017 AMD wasn’t in the game yet or I wouldn’t have bought this.

Do  our screen readers and Windows take advantage of multi-core processors yet I wonder?

Mine is overkill I know, but I’ll probably keep it until it becomes too slow.

Whitebox

3.75 gigahertz Intel Core i7-6950X

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. SABERTOOTH X99 Rev 1.xx

64GB DDR4 ram.

I forget which ram I put in here.

I plan to put an M.2 SSD in here next and upgrade to I guess it’ll be Windows 11? As right now I’m on a spinning Western Digital Red on Windows 7.

This will be much better when I put an M.2 in here I’m sure!

The graphics is a Nvidia GForce 210

John

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 2:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

not only that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a much higher wattage part, but barely produces any heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR software. But the number of things that take advantage will only grow as time passes. And right now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even  in single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the desktop they backported a 10 nm  process to 14 nm, making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K. If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are easily the worst processor reviews I have read ever.

On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

 He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Processor comparison

enes sarıbaş
 

Hi,

The 10th gen was released last year, and is a  modern processor. If you can aford it, I  would  get the fifth gen 5500 from AMD instead.  It would be around same price, and have much better performance.

On 6/20/2021 1:13 PM, Marie Nelson wrote:
Can someone tell me the speed difference in the 10th gen I5 and the

AMD Quad-Core Ryzen 5 3500?

 

Thanks, Marie

 

U

I'm a multitasker. I can listen, ignore and forget all at the same time!


question on doing a windows 10 reset

Keith S
 

I followed the following to do a reset to try to fix any speed issues on my windows 10 computer, but I had to make a decision after selecting the reset option. I had to choose whether or to keep my settings or to remove my settings and format the hard drive. I chose to keep my files and about 20 minutes after choosing this option, and hearing the computer restart, I heard my computer announce that drop box, which I have installed on the win 10 machine, announce that I had updates to files in that folder. So, I am not sure exactly what I chose to do. In a windows 10 reset to a clean install of windows 10, should the reset process format the hard drive, or is it like in windows xp when you had the option of scanning for corrupted or missing files and make the appropriate changes?

Thanks

Keith

so to do a reset, and no that wont revert you back to windows 8.

first things first, backup all the data you have on c drive.

next, make sure that you ave activation codes for any programs that

require them as the reset will remove all programs, accept the apps

that came with windows.

after you are sure that you have everything saved.

you press windows and i.

press tab once.

go to update and security which is right at the end of the list, so

pressing the end key if you have 1 will directly take you there.

then go to recovery.

and click on reset this pc.

the pc will reboot 2 3 times, you wont have jaws or any screen reader,

but after the pc has rebooted for the first time, just wait for 1 or 2

minutes and press control windows enter, this will launch narrator and

it will give you progress about what is happening.

after resetting you may have to enter microsoft account.

if you dont want to do this, dont connect to wifi or internet via cable.

tell it i dont have internet and continue with limited setup.

after creating a local account and finishing setup, then connect to

internet and again it will ask you to enter a microsoft account, tell

it i will do this later and click on complete setup.

now you will have to reinstall all programs from scratch.


Re: Windows XP

Byron Stephens
 

The only thing I do net-wise on this xp machine is run my ftp server, grab music with the soulseek program or transfering my vinyl or tapes to the harddrive via total recorder and a mixer connected to the desktop.

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows XP

I don't use a Checker because I am never on the Internet with it.


I use it to run some old Software I refuse to pay $600 for the Upgrade. 



I have a Win 10 System to do all my Internet related activities.



On 6/20/2021 12:02 PM, Veronica Kirk wrote:

I have read that some of you on this list still have a Windows XP.  I would like to know what do you use for virus protection.

Veronica


Re: Windows XP

Byron Stephens
 


I still use xp to broadcast using winamp 5.24 running the streaming encoders and an x-fi card with the what you hear option along with quickmix. I use panda antivirus, and I'm also curious what can still be used.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows XP

Thank you Gene for your reply.  I do have AVG on the XP that I have, but I am not sure if it is running properly.  I mainly use that computer for listening to CDs as WMP works very well, as does the CD player.  I did not know that Microsoft Essentials was used as far back as windows XP.  Many years ago I used this particular computer when I worked as a medical transcriptionist, and my company placed AVG on the machine.

 

Veronica

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows XP

 

Its an interesting question.  I’m curious if Microsoft is still making definitions available to Microsoft Security Essentials in XP.  it did for years after support stopped but I have no idea now.  and I have no idea if you can get the program that ran in XP.  But it was very accessible.  Perhaps others know more about that.

 

I use my XP machines for so little these days that I haven’t kept up with antivirus programs that are accessible and can be used.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Windows XP

 

I have read that some of you on this list still have a Windows XP.  I would like to know what do you use for virus protection.

 

Veronica

 


Re: Windows XP

Dave
 

I don't use a Checker because I am never on the Internet with it.


I use it to run some old Software I refuse to pay $600 for the Upgrade. 



I have a Win 10 System to do all my Internet related activities.



On 6/20/2021 12:02 PM, Veronica Kirk wrote:

I have read that some of you on this list still have a Windows XP.  I would like to know what do you use for virus protection.

 

Veronica

 


Re: downloading purchased software from amazon.com?

Troy Burnham
 

I went to microsoftstore.com, but it asks me to sign in with my account info and I don't have a microsoft account.


Troy

On 6/20/2021 2:33 PM, Troy Burnham via groups.io wrote:
Sorry to sound so dumb but how do I get to the ms store on my computer and then how do I find my purchase? I did notice that one of the e-mails I received from amazon has a code in it so I have that.


Troy



On 6/20/2021 10:05 AM, Monte Single wrote:
Try looking for it in the m s store.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bharat
Sent: June 20, 2021 8:54 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] downloading purchased software from amazon.com?

Hi Troy,

I have never bought any softwares from Amazon nor do i have any experience i this regard. However, from what i have read in their terms & conditions is that they only provide you the key to activate the software & the actual installer still needs to be downloaded from MS.

I tried looking for a place to download the installer, however, couldn't find one.

See, if the directions to download the installer are given on the order page. If nothing else works, you may contact MS via BeMyEyes.

Sorry, I couldn't be of any help rather than throwing random ideas at you but I hope, it works.

On 6/20/21, Troy Burnham <troyburnham34@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,


How do I download software that I bought from amazon.com? I purchased
ms word the other day and I see it in my software library but I don't
see how to download it.


Thanks.


Troy

















Re: Windows XP

Gene
 

You didn’t say you use your computer online or how.  You may not need antivirus protection, depending on how you use it.  But we would need to know more about that to have an opinion.
 
gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows XP
 

Thank you Gene for your reply.  I do have AVG on the XP that I have, but I am not sure if it is running properly.  I mainly use that computer for listening to CDs as WMP works very well, as does the CD player.  I did not know that Microsoft Essentials was used as far back as windows XP.  Many years ago I used this particular computer when I worked as a medical transcriptionist, and my company placed AVG on the machine.

 

Veronica

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows XP

 

Its an interesting question.  I’m curious if Microsoft is still making definitions available to Microsoft Security Essentials in XP.  it did for years after support stopped but I have no idea now.  and I have no idea if you can get the program that ran in XP.  But it was very accessible.  Perhaps others know more about that.

 

I use my XP machines for so little these days that I haven’t kept up with antivirus programs that are accessible and can be used.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Windows XP

 

I have read that some of you on this list still have a Windows XP.  I would like to know what do you use for virus protection.

 

Veronica

 


Re: Windows XP

Veronica Kirk
 

Thank you Gene for your reply.  I do have AVG on the XP that I have, but I am not sure if it is running properly.  I mainly use that computer for listening to CDs as WMP works very well, as does the CD player.  I did not know that Microsoft Essentials was used as far back as windows XP.  Many years ago I used this particular computer when I worked as a medical transcriptionist, and my company placed AVG on the machine.

 

Veronica

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows XP

 

Its an interesting question.  I’m curious if Microsoft is still making definitions available to Microsoft Security Essentials in XP.  it did for years after support stopped but I have no idea now.  and I have no idea if you can get the program that ran in XP.  But it was very accessible.  Perhaps others know more about that.

 

I use my XP machines for so little these days that I haven’t kept up with antivirus programs that are accessible and can be used.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Windows XP

 

I have read that some of you on this list still have a Windows XP.  I would like to know what do you use for virus protection.

 

Veronica

 


Re: downloading purchased software from amazon.com?

Troy Burnham
 

Sorry to sound so dumb but how do I get to the ms store on my computer and then how do I find my purchase? I did notice that one of the e-mails I received from amazon has a code in it so I have that.


Troy

On 6/20/2021 10:05 AM, Monte Single wrote:
Try looking for it in the m s store.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bharat
Sent: June 20, 2021 8:54 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] downloading purchased software from amazon.com?

Hi Troy,

I have never bought any softwares from Amazon nor do i have any experience i this regard. However, from what i have read in their terms & conditions is that they only provide you the key to activate the software & the actual installer still needs to be downloaded from MS.

I tried looking for a place to download the installer, however, couldn't find one.

See, if the directions to download the installer are given on the order page. If nothing else works, you may contact MS via BeMyEyes.

Sorry, I couldn't be of any help rather than throwing random ideas at you but I hope, it works.

On 6/20/21, Troy Burnham <troyburnham34@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,


How do I download software that I bought from amazon.com? I purchased
ms word the other day and I see it in my software library but I don't
see how to download it.


Thanks.


Troy














Re: Windows XP

Alex Stone
 

Gene, I’m not saying I’m definitely right, but I seem to recall Microsoft saying they were going to stop.


On 20 Jun 2021, at 20:27, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:


Its an interesting question.  I’m curious if Microsoft is still making definitions available to Microsoft Security Essentials in XP.  it did for years after support stopped but I have no idea now.  and I have no idea if you can get the program that ran in XP.  But it was very accessible.  Perhaps others know more about that.
 
I use my XP machines for so little these days that I haven’t kept up with antivirus programs that are accessible and can be used.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows XP
 

I have read that some of you on this list still have a Windows XP.  I would like to know what do you use for virus protection.

 

Veronica

 


Re: Windows XP

Gene
 

Its an interesting question.  I’m curious if Microsoft is still making definitions available to Microsoft Security Essentials in XP.  it did for years after support stopped but I have no idea now.  and I have no idea if you can get the program that ran in XP.  But it was very accessible.  Perhaps others know more about that.
 
I use my XP machines for so little these days that I haven’t kept up with antivirus programs that are accessible and can be used.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows XP
 

I have read that some of you on this list still have a Windows XP.  I would like to know what do you use for virus protection.

 

Veronica

 


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

Gene
 

I can’t comment on that. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop
 

No I’m  not saying that.

I’m saying I hope that Windows 10 takes advantage  of the power I have in this box.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:00 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

If you are saying that if you have all sorts of power so your machine isn’t working as hard and will last longer, I consider that very questionable.  Perhaps with an underpowered machine the machine working harder and producing more heat might shorten its life, but I doubt that having too much power would cause a machine to last longer.  And then, there is the cost.  If I spend six or seven hundred dollars for a machine and I use it seven or eight years, then I buy another one, if I want the same rough amount of power, it will cost less, perhaps much less.  I may be paying for two machines of the power I will be using in order to try to make one machine last longer.

 

Gene

Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 12:19 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Why not?

I have al of this power. What is the point if nothing will use it ?

I’d like to think because I have all of this power and can do all of these cores and  threading, that it’d run longer with things taking advantage of this.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Hi,

That is still a good machine I would think. A friend has a similar processor, the i7 6700 K if I remember right, and he said it is still mostly fast. And no unfortunately screen readers don't take advantage of multicore, and probably never will according to discussion on the NVDA group.

On 6/19/2021 4:43 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Yeah… When I bought this in 2017 AMD wasn’t in the game yet or I wouldn’t have bought this.

Do  our screen readers and Windows take advantage of multi-core processors yet I wonder?

Mine is overkill I know, but I’ll probably keep it until it becomes too slow.

Whitebox

3.75 gigahertz Intel Core i7-6950X

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. SABERTOOTH X99 Rev 1.xx

64GB DDR4 ram.

I forget which ram I put in here.

I plan to put an M.2 SSD in here next and upgrade to I guess it’ll be Windows 11? As right now I’m on a spinning Western Digital Red on Windows 7.

This will be much better when I put an M.2 in here I’m sure!

The graphics is a Nvidia GForce 210

John

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 2:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

not only that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a much higher wattage part, but barely produces any heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR software. But the number of things that take advantage will only grow as time passes. And right now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even  in single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the desktop they backported a 10 nm  process to 14 nm, making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K. If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are easily the worst processor reviews I have read ever.

On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Windows XP

Veronica Kirk
 

I have read that some of you on this list still have a Windows XP.  I would like to know what do you use for virus protection.

 

Veronica

 


Re: decided to buy a new desktop

John Holcomb II
 

No I’m  not saying that.

I’m saying I hope that Windows 10 takes advantage  of the power I have in this box.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:00 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

If you are saying that if you have all sorts of power so your machine isn’t working as hard and will last longer, I consider that very questionable.  Perhaps with an underpowered machine the machine working harder and producing more heat might shorten its life, but I doubt that having too much power would cause a machine to last longer.  And then, there is the cost.  If I spend six or seven hundred dollars for a machine and I use it seven or eight years, then I buy another one, if I want the same rough amount of power, it will cost less, perhaps much less.  I may be paying for two machines of the power I will be using in order to try to make one machine last longer.

 

Gene

Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 12:19 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Why not?

I have al of this power. What is the point if nothing will use it ?

I’d like to think because I have all of this power and can do all of these cores and  threading, that it’d run longer with things taking advantage of this.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Hi,

That is still a good machine I would think. A friend has a similar processor, the i7 6700 K if I remember right, and he said it is still mostly fast. And no unfortunately screen readers don't take advantage of multicore, and probably never will according to discussion on the NVDA group.

On 6/19/2021 4:43 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

Yeah… When I bought this in 2017 AMD wasn’t in the game yet or I wouldn’t have bought this.

Do  our screen readers and Windows take advantage of multi-core processors yet I wonder?

Mine is overkill I know, but I’ll probably keep it until it becomes too slow.

Whitebox

3.75 gigahertz Intel Core i7-6950X

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. SABERTOOTH X99 Rev 1.xx

64GB DDR4 ram.

I forget which ram I put in here.

I plan to put an M.2 SSD in here next and upgrade to I guess it’ll be Windows 11? As right now I’m on a spinning Western Digital Red on Windows 7.

This will be much better when I put an M.2 in here I’m sure!

The graphics is a Nvidia GForce 210

John

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 2:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

not only that, but heat generation too. My old Toshiba on dual core Haswell i5 would have fans scream even when watching youtube. But my Ryzen fifth gen is a much higher wattage part, but barely produces any heat, even under full load it isn't very bad. And more apps take advantage of multicore. Browsers for one, file encoders and compression tools, OCR software. But the number of things that take advantage will only grow as time passes. And right now fifth gen Ryzen surpasses Intel in even  in single core, and Intel is severely behind, on the desktop they backported a 10 nm  process to 14 nm, making rocket lake, dropping the number of cores on the 1900K by 2 to 8 from the 10 on the 10900K. If you read rocket lake i7 reviews, they are easily the worst processor reviews I have read ever.

On 6/19/2021 10:52 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:

 

Intel is still on the 14NM  process.

This moving to a smaller die size will help with power savings. AMD is killing it right now.

I’m not sure how many apps take advantage of multi-core though?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

They also use newer processor technology, 7 nanometer vs 14 nanometer for Intel, don't have as many hardware side channel vulnerabilities, and also generate less heat for the same performance thanks to the newer processor technologies. They have substantially better multicore core performance as well.

On 6/18/2021 4:57 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

M.2 SSDs will be on anything but the bottom of the crop when it comes to desktops.

Same with hyper threading.

But here’s another thought to consider.

For single core performance, AMD is  worth a look. They have something similar to hyper threading which I forget what its called now.

John

 

He’s right and I forgot about that.

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

I am not a tech but I doubt you have to worry about the case.  You seem to be worried that the problems you have with your computer are caused by heat.  there is no reason for that assumption. 

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use your computer?  I know little about M2 slots but whether you have one may not matter to any extent depending on how you intend to use it.  My impression is that they are common on computers now but I am just stating an impression and I hope others discuss the question. 

 

I would imagine that other things you are worried about, hyperthreading, for example, are so standard in machines that are not bottom of the line that you probably don’t have to worry about whether a machine uyou buy has that ability.  I would imagine it is present in any machine that isn’t a bottom of the line budget machine.

 

As has been asked, how do you intend to use the machine?  I’ll ask further if you anticipate your uses changing to any significant extent over time.  After we know how you intend to use your machine, people can discuss such matters as price, power of machine, etc.  I think those questions of use are by far the most important in people advising you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 3:59 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] decided to buy a new desktop

 

Well, I guess I am coming in to this decade I am finally going to upgrade my desktop after 7 or 8 years.  So do I have to tell them I want an  m2 slot or is there another term?  I ran the Belarc adviser and it said I did not have  hiper threaded with my cores. I read up that the hiper threaded makes them faster for the PC.  Everything else was intergraded on the mother board, sound, internet card, graphics card and  memory. It was all intel integrated. The first thing to go out on this machine was the sound about 1.5 years ago. I am wired in to the modem as the wireless is not that great .I have to use a USB cord to get my printer to print too. So I am not sure what went out that these do not work anymore unless I do it threw a cable. I know the Bluetooth still works as my keyboard and mouse still work with the dongle. Monitor port does not work but I just switched to a  USB monitor. I was just wondering if I can get a tower  casing that vents heat more evenly. Or are the tower cases different these days. Thanks everybody.

Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Processor comparison

Marie Nelson
 

Can someone tell me the speed difference in the 10th gen I5 and the

AMD Quad-Core Ryzen 5 3500?

 

Thanks, Marie

 

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