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Chrome, vs Firefox, vs Microsoft Edge!

Janet
 

Hi Everyone,
I just came across this, and thought some might be interested.

Which browser gobbles up the most RAM?
By Marshall Honorof 3 days ago

Google Chrome may use up a lot of RAM, but so do Microsoft Edge and Mozilla Firefox

chrome vs edge vs firefox
(Image credit: Google, Mozilla, Microsoft, Shutterstock / Tom's Guide illustration)
A few years ago, gaming company Corsair put out an amusing advertisement that quickly went viral. In it, a man wearing a Google Chrome shirt greedily devours a plate of RAM-shaped cookies, while another man in an Adobe Photoshop shirt takes a dainty bite of one, then puts the rest back.
It was a damning indictment of Chrome - even if it was missing some important context. For the record, Google Chrome really does go to town on your computer's memory, and I had a good laugh along with everyone else. But it also got me thinking: Does Chrome really gobble up more than its fair share of RAM? And, if so, do other popular Internet browsers take a more conservative approach?
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I tested Chrome against Mozilla Firefox and Microsoft Edge, and my findings were quite interesting. Despite its reputation for being a real RAM hog, Chrome did not perform the worst. In fact, Chrome was mostly in the middle, while Firefox used up the most RAM overall. Microsoft Edge used up the least RAM in every single test.

Chrome vs. Firefox vs. Edge: How I tested
A quick refresher: Random access memory, or RAM, is a place to store data for short-term processing. Your computer needs RAM to render text, images, music, videos - essentially, all the things you find on a website. That's why browsers need a lot of RAM, particularly as you open more tabs.

To see how much RAM each browser required, I shut down every nonessential program on my PC, then booted up one browser at a time. In that browser, I opened 10 tabs that might come up in everyday life: Google, Tom's Guide, Amazon, Netflix, Spotify, YouTube and so forth. (I also opened up the Corsair homepage, since that company inspired this whole experiment.)
I used Guest profiles in Chrome and Edge, and a "clean" profile in Firefox, in order to prevent extensions or bookmarks from clogging things up. From there, all I had to do was monitor memory usage in Windows Task Manager.

The second step was to see how each browser handled massive amounts of data. When a browser has a ton of tabs open, rather than try to run each one simultaneously, it will often prioritize and optimize data in order to save RAM. This time around, I kept the initial 10 tabs, then added 10 more from equally demanding sites: eBay, Best Buy, the New York Times, Disney Plus and Google Stadia, to name a few.

Next, to really tax each browser I opened a whopping 60 tabs in Chrome, Firefox and Edge. I opened three copies apiece of each website from the 20-tab test. For the final test, I opened up each browser twice, and launched 20 tabs in each instance. This replicates a user multitasking - writing in one window, and researching in another, for example.

Chrome vs. Firefox vs. Edge: RAM usage results
Google Chrome Microsoft Edge Mozilla Firefox
10 tabs 952 MB 873 MB 995 MB
20 tabs 1.8 GB 1.4 GB 1.6 GB
60 tabs 3.7 GB 2.9 GB 3.9 GB
2 instances / 20 tabs apiece 2.8 GB 2.5 GB 3.0 GB
Running 10 tabs took up 952 MB of memory in Chrome, while Firefox took up 995 MB. The real surprise, however, was Edge, weighing in at only 873 MB of memory. That Edge made such a great showing is less surprising when you remember that Microsoft's browser now runs on the same Chromium architecture as Chrome. But to beat Google at its own game is still impressive.

With the 20-tab test, Chrome performed the weakest , eating up 1.8 GB RAM, compared to Firefox at 1.6 GB and Edge at only 1.4 GB.

Edge continued to perform the best when I loaded 60 tabs in a single browser window, taking up 2.9 GB of RAM, versus 3.7 GB for Chrome and 3.9 GB for Firefox. The results here were much starker than the 20-tab test, as Firefox required a whole extra gig of memory, compared to Edge. On the other hand, not every user needs 60 tabs open simultaneously, so consider whether this use-case might apply to you.

On the final test, with 40 tabs open across two instances (20 tabs apiece), Edge required 2.5 GB RAM altogether, while Chrome needed 2.8 GB and Firefox needed 3.0 GB. These figures are roughly double what the 20-tab test required, which is not terribly surprising - except for Chrome, which seems to be a little bit better about optimizing data across two windows.

Chrome vs. Firefox vs. Edge: Observations
Microsoft Edge browser logo

(Image credit: Microsoft)
Microsoft has made a big to-do about Edge being a real contender in the Web-browsing space, and my results suggest that the company isn't just blowing smoke. It really is leaner and meaner than either Chrome or Firefox. The difference isn't night-and-day, particularly if your system has a lot of RAM to play with, but this could be a big deal for lower-powered PCs - especially lightweight laptops.

It's important to remember that my tests weren't highly scientific. RAM usage will vary somewhat depending on your system, and will vary tremendously depending on what kind of websites you visit, and which extensions you use.

Does this make Edge the "best" Web browser? Not necessarily. A browser should be lightweight, sure, but it should also load your favorite websites without a hitch, run the extensions you want, protect you from malware and so forth. This test didn't evaluate any of those factors, so you'll have to decide for yourself whether it's worth making the switch.

But if nothing else, it's good to know that Chrome isn't as bad with RAM as I thought - and that Microsoft Edge beats both Chrome and Firefox.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/chrome-firefox-edge-ram-comparison





Peace Be With You.


Re: can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Janet
 

Hi Keith,

Did the Laptop start slowing down right after your cousin installed Windows 10, or was it sometime later, like maybe some months or maybe a year later?   I ask these questions because the more information you can provide to us, the more we can pinpoint the problem.  As, I know this can be quite annoying, having a slow PC!     

 

Janet

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 9:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

 

I've had the laptop with windows 10 on it for 2 to 3 years.  It originally came with   windows 8 and my cousin ran the free upgrade to windows 10 (took about 8 hours for the download and installation so I left it with him and he got it back a couple  of days later.

 It's an HP laptop.

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 3:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

 

Keith,

How long have you had Windows 10? Do you have a Desktop or Laptop? I really don’t think JAWS can slow down a PC though.  Although, JAWS can be a little flaky sometimes, but I just don’t think we can hold JAWS responsible for this one!  Smile!  There has to be something else that is slowing down your PC. I’m hopeing when I finally remove the bloatware from my Windows Laptop, it will pick up some spead!  Oh what I would give to have Windows XP again, as I loved that XP.  I know the days of Windows XP is long gone! 

 

Janet  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 9:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

 

I've had a computer guy take a look at it and he said that besides some HP proprietary software required to run the actual computer , I don't have any bloat ware running on my system.  he is not familiar with screen readers but he said that jaws might  be the cause of the slow down. And yes, I to am trying to learn windows 10 and also jaws as I am a former window eyes  user.  I still run a laptop with xp and window eyes and it is a heck of a lot faster than my "new" laptop with jaws and win 10 on it.   I don't do any emailing or shopping on it, but I like the smoothness and the response and speed of the window eyes and xp experience on the older computer.

 

Shrug.  Needless to say, a lot of the internet and what not is cut off from me because of the xp machine not being able to load most websites but hey, I prefer getting things typed out on my xp wordpad rather than typing a line of text on the win 10 comptuer and then having to wait  for either jaws or win 10 to catch up and actually speak the line I just typed.

 

Keith 

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet

Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:49 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

 

Hi Keith,

I’m not very familiar with Windows 10, but I’m learning!  LOL!  As far as your pc running that slow, I would definitely check to see what apps might be running in the background.  Slow computers are often caused by too many programs running simultaneously, taking up processing power and reducing the PC's performance.  That’s just my personal opinion though.  I don’t know if you are running a Desktop or Laptop like I am or not, but even though, I’ve had my new Laptop barely  3 weeks, and I haven’t worked on it much this past week, my Laptop appears to be much slower than my old Windows 7, and I’ve had Windows 7 since 2012.  Although, I’m sure my slowness of my new Laptop is caused by a lot of bloatware that came with Windows 10 as well as the updates, I know I need to get rid of, or at least I hope that’s all it is!  Smile!  As far as using the Reset option, from my understanding, the reset feature is a repair tool in Windows 10.  You can use that, and you can choose what you want to keep, and after the repair, that will reinstall a fresh copy of Windows 10.  I hope this helps a little, as I just can’t stand a sluggish pc, I would rather throw it out the Window!  Smile! 

 

 

Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

 

does this resetting reinstall windows completely, (aka download a new copy of windows from the Microsoft servers and install it on your system?  I upgraded from windows 8 to windows 10 when MS was offering the free update and my system is is as slow as heck.  I have the proper amount of ram and cpu speed on my laptop to handle windows 10 and jaws, but the computer is very "laggy" and simple things like opening a folder can take up to 2 minutes to complete and allow access to the files in the folder.  opening programs is the same way, even functions taht are part of windows are slow to open and respond.

 

 

thanks

 3

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet

Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:05 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

 

Hi Jim,

I’m sorry you’re still having this problem, as this can be quite frustorating!  Jim, if we had an idea is to what MS has already done on your PC, we could at least alimanate some suggestions.  I could say you could use the reset feature, in which you would have the option to save your files or remove them, and a fresh Windows would download, but then again, some of your files could be causing you from downloading, so we don’t know if that would help. I’m not really too familiar with Windows Ten, but I’m learning!  From my understanding, if you reset your PC and keep files,

This reset option will reinstall Windows 10 and keeps your personal files, such as photos, music, videos or personal files. However, it will remove apps and drivers you installed, and also removes the changes you made to the settings.   I think using the reset option, it can take maybe two or three hours, if you decide to keep your files during the reset process.  I also think third-party software, system file corruption, system settings changes, or malware should be fixed by resetting your PC though.  I hope at least this gives you something to think about, if MS hasn’t already done this.   

 

 

Janet

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

 

Hi all, my computer won’t update, and hasn’t in months. Microsoft has tried to fix the problem and they say they can’t fix the problem. So what if I reset this computer to factory settings, would it eliminate problems like this? I of course would have to store the programs I have now, but that can be done. Anyway, I need your thoughts. I am running windows ten and jaws 18, because I can’t install 2019, or 2020. Jim


Zoom Meeting Confusion

Rich DeSteno
 

I created a free Zoom account a few months ago, but did not do anything with it until recently.  When I created the account, I received a confirming email from Zoom providing me with what they called my "personal meeting URL".  That URL included what they called my "personal meeting ID".  When I provided a friend with this personal meeting URL in order to conduct a test meeting, we were not able to meet, because my friend received a message that I was in another meeting.  I do not understand how I could be in another meeting when we both used the same URL.  The same thing happened when I loaded the Zoom program from my computer.  I note that the meeting number that I got when I got into the room was different from my personal meeting ID, which probably explains why we were not successful meeting.  My questions are:


1. Has Zoom changed the concept of this personal meeting ID and URL since I joined?

2. How can I meet with someone if my meeting gets a new and different number every time I start the program?

3. What steps do I take to successfully hold a planned meeting with one other person?


Thanks!

--
Rich De Steno


Re: can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Gene
 

Unless the computer is very underpowered, my guess is that the slowness is caused by the upgrade. But what do you mean by upgrade? Did the person upgrade the version of windows already on your machine or did he install a new version of Windows 10? When I say my guess is the upgrade, I'm guessing that the person didn't make a clean install but upgraded your existing Windows 8. Such upgrades often go well, but sometimes, they cause problems.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 9:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


I've had the laptop with windows 10 on it for 2 to 3 years. It originally came with windows 8 and my cousin ran the free upgrade to windows 10 (took about 8 hours for the download and installation so I left it with him and he got it back a couple of days later.
It's an HP laptop.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Janet
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


Keith,

How long have you had Windows 10? Do you have a Desktop or Laptop? I really don’t think JAWS can slow down a PC though. Although, JAWS can be a little flaky sometimes, but I just don’t think we can hold JAWS responsible for this one! Smile! There has to be something else that is slowing down your PC. I’m hopeing when I finally remove the bloatware from my Windows Laptop, it will pick up some spead! Oh what I would give to have Windows XP again, as I loved that XP. I know the days of Windows XP is long gone!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 9:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had a computer guy take a look at it and he said that besides some HP proprietary software required to run the actual computer , I don't have any bloat ware running on my system. he is not familiar with screen readers but he said that jaws might be the cause of the slow down. And yes, I to am trying to learn windows 10 and also jaws as I am a former window eyes user. I still run a laptop with xp and window eyes and it is a heck of a lot faster than my "new" laptop with jaws and win 10 on it. I don't do any emailing or shopping on it, but I like the smoothness and the response and speed of the window eyes and xp experience on the older computer.







Shrug. Needless to say, a lot of the internet and what not is cut off from me because of the xp machine not being able to load most websites but hey, I prefer getting things typed out on my xp wordpad rather than typing a line of text on the win 10 comptuer and then having to wait for either jaws or win 10 to catch up and actually speak the line I just typed.







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:49 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

I’m not very familiar with Windows 10, but I’m learning! LOL! As far as your pc running that slow, I would definitely check to see what apps might be running in the background. Slow computers are often caused by too many programs running simultaneously, taking up processing power and reducing the PC's performance. That’s just my personal opinion though. I don’t know if you are running a Desktop or Laptop like I am or not, but even though, I’ve had my new Laptop barely 3 weeks, and I haven’t worked on it much this past week, my Laptop appears to be much slower than my old Windows 7, and I’ve had Windows 7 since 2012. Although, I’m sure my slowness of my new Laptop is caused by a lot of bloatware that came with Windows 10 as well as the updates, I know I need to get rid of, or at least I hope that’s all it is! Smile! As far as using the Reset option, from my understanding, the reset feature is a repair tool in Windows 10. You can use that, and you can choose what you want to keep, and after the repair, that will reinstall a fresh copy of Windows 10. I hope this helps a little, as I just can’t stand a sluggish pc, I would rather throw it out the Window! Smile!





Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







does this resetting reinstall windows completely, (aka download a new copy of windows from the Microsoft servers and install it on your system? I upgraded from windows 8 to windows 10 when MS was offering the free update and my system is is as slow as heck. I have the proper amount of ram and cpu speed on my laptop to handle windows 10 and jaws, but the computer is very "laggy" and simple things like opening a folder can take up to 2 minutes to complete and allow access to the files in the folder. opening programs is the same way, even functions taht are part of windows are slow to open and respond.











thanks



3



Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:05 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Jim,

I’m sorry you’re still having this problem, as this can be quite frustorating! Jim, if we had an idea is to what MS has already done on your PC, we could at least alimanate some suggestions. I could say you could use the reset feature, in which you would have the option to save your files or remove them, and a fresh Windows would download, but then again, some of your files could be causing you from downloading, so we don’t know if that would help. I’m not really too familiar with Windows Ten, but I’m learning! From my understanding, if you reset your PC and keep files,

This reset option will reinstall Windows 10 and keeps your personal files, such as photos, music, videos or personal files. However, it will remove apps and drivers you installed, and also removes the changes you made to the settings. I think using the reset option, it can take maybe two or three hours, if you decide to keep your files during the reset process. I also think third-party software, system file corruption, system settings changes, or malware should be fixed by resetting your PC though. I hope at least this gives you something to think about, if MS hasn’t already done this.





Janet









From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?





Hi all, my computer won’t update, and hasn’t in months. Microsoft has tried to fix the problem and they say they can’t fix the problem. So what if I reset this computer to factory settings, would it eliminate problems like this? I of course would have to store the programs I have now, but that can be done. Anyway, I need your thoughts. I am running windows ten and jaws 18, because I can’t install 2019, or 2020. Jim


Re: Facebook question

Keith S
 


neither do i.  I cannot use smart phones due to neurological issues with my hands
 
Keith

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Facebook question

I don’t have one.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donna
Sent: February 2, 2021 4:45 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Facebook question

 

Those who are having problems changing their Facebook email; Have you tried using an iPhone/iPad, if you have one? I changed my primary email for Facebook about 2 months, using the Facebook app.

 

Donna

 

i

 



Hi Keith,

If you have tried all you can do to add your new email, and nothing has workd for you, Yes, I would definitely consider just deleting the old account, and subscribe with your email address you want to use.  I remember some time ago, Madison had a similar problem with Facebook, but I don’t know if it has been rectified.  So, yes, it is something to consider.    

 

 

Janet  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Facebook question

 

so are you thinking I should just delete my current account and make a new one with my new email?

 

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet

Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 7:19 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Facebook question

 

Hi Keith,

I just wonder if completely unsubscribing with the old email, and resubscribing with the new email address, if that might make a difference.  I don’t use FaceBook though. 

 

Janet

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Facebook question

 

I've had a similar problem with removing my facebook's log in email.  I have added a new email address that is the one I use for regular email to my account, but I cannot get facebook to switch the new email as my log in email.  I've chekced the help section on facebook but the steps do not seem to work, at least for a blind person.  Something about "when the menu opens select master email check box" .  Apparrently it's a virtual menu that jaws users cannot access.

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet

Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:08 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Facebook question

 

Hi Madison,
Well, I see no one has answered you yet.  I'm not familiar with Facebook either, but have you tried to unsubscribe using your old email, and resubscribing with your new email? Just a thought.

Janet  

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 11:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Facebook question

Hi all,
I was able to add this email address to my profile on Facebook, but
notifications are still going to my old email. How do I change it so that they
get sent to this address? I saw that there's a link to remove this address from
my profile, but there didn't seem to be one to remove my old email address. I'm
using mbasic.facebook.com, the latest Edge, the latest Jaws 2021, and Windows 10
version 2004. Thanks Madison












Re: can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Keith S
 

I've had the laptop with windows 10 on it for 2 to 3 years.  It originally came with   windows 8 and my cousin ran the free upgrade to windows 10 (took about 8 hours for the download and installation so I left it with him and he got it back a couple  of days later.
 It's an HP laptop.
 
Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Janet
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Keith,

How long have you had Windows 10? Do you have a Desktop or Laptop? I really don’t think JAWS can slow down a PC though.  Although, JAWS can be a little flaky sometimes, but I just don’t think we can hold JAWS responsible for this one!  Smile!  There has to be something else that is slowing down your PC. I’m hopeing when I finally remove the bloatware from my Windows Laptop, it will pick up some spead!  Oh what I would give to have Windows XP again, as I loved that XP.  I know the days of Windows XP is long gone! 

 

Janet  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 9:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

 

I've had a computer guy take a look at it and he said that besides some HP proprietary software required to run the actual computer , I don't have any bloat ware running on my system.  he is not familiar with screen readers but he said that jaws might  be the cause of the slow down. And yes, I to am trying to learn windows 10 and also jaws as I am a former window eyes  user.  I still run a laptop with xp and window eyes and it is a heck of a lot faster than my "new" laptop with jaws and win 10 on it.   I don't do any emailing or shopping on it, but I like the smoothness and the response and speed of the window eyes and xp experience on the older computer.

 

Shrug.  Needless to say, a lot of the internet and what not is cut off from me because of the xp machine not being able to load most websites but hey, I prefer getting things typed out on my xp wordpad rather than typing a line of text on the win 10 comptuer and then having to wait  for either jaws or win 10 to catch up and actually speak the line I just typed.

 

Keith 

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet

Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:49 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

 

Hi Keith,

I’m not very familiar with Windows 10, but I’m learning!  LOL!  As far as your pc running that slow, I would definitely check to see what apps might be running in the background.  Slow computers are often caused by too many programs running simultaneously, taking up processing power and reducing the PC's performance.  That’s just my personal opinion though.  I don’t know if you are running a Desktop or Laptop like I am or not, but even though, I’ve had my new Laptop barely  3 weeks, and I haven’t worked on it much this past week, my Laptop appears to be much slower than my old Windows 7, and I’ve had Windows 7 since 2012.  Although, I’m sure my slowness of my new Laptop is caused by a lot of bloatware that came with Windows 10 as well as the updates, I know I need to get rid of, or at least I hope that’s all it is!  Smile!  As far as using the Reset option, from my understanding, the reset feature is a repair tool in Windows 10.  You can use that, and you can choose what you want to keep, and after the repair, that will reinstall a fresh copy of Windows 10.  I hope this helps a little, as I just can’t stand a sluggish pc, I would rather throw it out the Window!  Smile! 

 

 

Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

 

does this resetting reinstall windows completely, (aka download a new copy of windows from the Microsoft servers and install it on your system?  I upgraded from windows 8 to windows 10 when MS was offering the free update and my system is is as slow as heck.  I have the proper amount of ram and cpu speed on my laptop to handle windows 10 and jaws, but the computer is very "laggy" and simple things like opening a folder can take up to 2 minutes to complete and allow access to the files in the folder.  opening programs is the same way, even functions taht are part of windows are slow to open and respond.

 

 

thanks

 3

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet

Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:05 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

 

Hi Jim,

I’m sorry you’re still having this problem, as this can be quite frustorating!  Jim, if we had an idea is to what MS has already done on your PC, we could at least alimanate some suggestions.  I could say you could use the reset feature, in which you would have the option to save your files or remove them, and a fresh Windows would download, but then again, some of your files could be causing you from downloading, so we don’t know if that would help. I’m not really too familiar with Windows Ten, but I’m learning!  From my understanding, if you reset your PC and keep files,

This reset option will reinstall Windows 10 and keeps your personal files, such as photos, music, videos or personal files. However, it will remove apps and drivers you installed, and also removes the changes you made to the settings.   I think using the reset option, it can take maybe two or three hours, if you decide to keep your files during the reset process.  I also think third-party software, system file corruption, system settings changes, or malware should be fixed by resetting your PC though.  I hope at least this gives you something to think about, if MS hasn’t already done this.   

 

 

Janet

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

 

Hi all, my computer won’t update, and hasn’t in months. Microsoft has tried to fix the problem and they say they can’t fix the problem. So what if I reset this computer to factory settings, would it eliminate problems like this? I of course would have to store the programs I have now, but that can be done. Anyway, I need your thoughts. I am running windows ten and jaws 18, because I can’t install 2019, or 2020. Jim


Re: google play store

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Ms. Pingstock wrote in part:

"my meeting is on the google play store for zoom, how to I install this on
my windows ten laptop."

Google Play Store on Zoom? Not too sure I understand your question too
well. Google Play Store is pretty much like the Windows Store from
Microsoft, or the Apple Store from Apple. It is bundled with the Android
Operating System; as such, it can't be installed on a Windows OS!

I know there's experimentation here and there about running Android in some
kind of a virtual environment in Windows; I haven't paid too close an
attention to where that's going in part because the concept has not, at this
time, grabbed my interest.

Perhaps you may wish to rephrase your question so as to provide some
additional clarity; that way, with a better understanding of what you're
trying to do, the gurus in the house can step up to the plate and give you
the needed guidance. Happy Zooming!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Deleted Folder

Gene
 

Running a restore point won't retrieve the folder. If system restore is running on your machine, you can use previous versions. I very seldom use it and I'm using Windows 7 so these instructions may not exactly match Windows 10. I'll tell you one way to find the folder.

Open computer. In the list of files and folders, find your hard drive. Don't open the drive. Open properties with alt enter. Hold alt and press enter.
Shift tab once.
Right arrow until you get to previous versions.
Tab until you get to a list. It may be two times. Up or down arrow until you get to the earlier version you want. if you have made recent changes in the folder, find the latest version of the c drive. Press enter.

Move to and find the folder. Copy it to the clip board.
Now open your files and folders list as you usually do, leaving the previous version opened. paste the folder where you want it.

This is very important if it isn't being done. The fact that the folder was lost and that the person is asking about this indicates that the person is likely not backing up files and folders to an external hard drive. a service for doing this online, or in any other way. It is crucially important to have a backup. If you don't, you may well lose everything or be in a situation where you have to pay thousands of dollars to get information back, such as in a hard disk failure. In such cases, it may cost two thousand dollars, or roughly that to have someone retried the information from the drive.

Or you may lose access to everything in a ransom ware attack. Having a backup will not require you to deal with ransomware bandits to have your information. And its worth noting here that because of the possibility of ransomeware or other malware, a back up drive should not be connected to the computer while the computer is being used for things other than a backup.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Marilyn and Don Bilderback
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 4:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Deleted Folder



Nope, it is not there. Tomorrow we have our regular checkup on our computer. Is the restore to a certain time a possible answer?

I guess if he doesn’t know I’m busted because some important saved tips are in that folder. Woe is me! Marilyn



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 1:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Deleted Folder







You can probably find it in the recycle bin on the desktop. Highlight the recycle bin icon, press enter to open it, and scroll down until you land on the deleted folder. Then press the context menu key and select restore to restore the deleted folder to its original location.



Gerald







On 2/3/2021 3:46 PM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:



Hello list. I accidentally deleted my folder with several tips and tricks for the computer in it. Any way to get it back?


Re: Deleted Folder

Gene
 

Not a deleted items folder. The message says the deleted folder, that is, the folder that has been sent to the recycle bin, the one you want to restore.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 3:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Deleted Folder


I’ve never seen that in the recycle bin. I’ve just seen items that have been deleted, not a deleted items folder. Pam.

From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 3:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Deleted Folder




You can probably find it in the recycle bin on the desktop. Highlight the recycle bin icon, press enter to open it, and scroll down until you land on the deleted folder. Then press the context menu key and select restore to restore the deleted folder to its original location.




Gerald








On 2/3/2021 3:46 PM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:


Hello list. I accidentally deleted my folder with several tips and tricks for the computer in it. Any way to get it back?



Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Deleted Folder

gbmagoo@...
 

Yes, pick any back up you’re done current to the date and time that you threw the folder away and I will restore it.


On Feb 3, 2021, at 14:20, Marilyn and Don Bilderback <djbilderback@...> wrote:



Nope, it is not there.  Tomorrow we have our regular checkup on our computer.  Is the restore to a certain time a possible answer?

I guess if he doesn’t know I’m busted because some important saved tips are in that folder.  Woe is me!  Marilyn

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 1:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Deleted Folder

 

 

You can probably find it in the recycle bin on the desktop.  Highlight the recycle bin icon, press enter to open it, and scroll down until you land on the deleted folder.  Then press the context menu key and select restore to restore the deleted folder to its original location.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/3/2021 3:46 PM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:

Hello list.  I accidentally deleted my folder with several tips and tricks for the computer in it.  Any way to get it back? 


Re: Deleted Folder

Marilyn and Don Bilderback
 

Nope, it is not there.  Tomorrow we have our regular checkup on our computer.  Is the restore to a certain time a possible answer?

I guess if he doesn’t know I’m busted because some important saved tips are in that folder.  Woe is me!  Marilyn

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 1:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Deleted Folder

 

 

You can probably find it in the recycle bin on the desktop.  Highlight the recycle bin icon, press enter to open it, and scroll down until you land on the deleted folder.  Then press the context menu key and select restore to restore the deleted folder to its original location.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/3/2021 3:46 PM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:

Hello list.  I accidentally deleted my folder with several tips and tricks for the computer in it.  Any way to get it back? 


Re: Deleted Folder

gbmagoo@...
 

If you’re running a Windows computer. On your desktop find your trash and whatever windows called the recycle Ben. Right click on the recycle bin and arrow down to open and it enter. And then you open up everything that’s in your trash and you can find that folder and right click and copy and move it somewhere else.


On Feb 3, 2021, at 13:43, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@...> wrote:


I’ve never seen that in the recycle bin.  I’ve just seen items that have been deleted, not a deleted items folder.  Pam.
 
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Deleted Folder
 

 

You can probably find it in the recycle bin on the desktop.  Highlight the recycle bin icon, press enter to open it, and scroll down until you land on the deleted folder.  Then press the context menu key and select restore to restore the deleted folder to its original location.


Gerald



On 2/3/2021 3:46 PM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:

Hello list.  I accidentally deleted my folder with several tips and tricks for the computer in it.  Any way to get it back? 


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Deleted Folder

Pamela Dominguez
 

I’ve never seen that in the recycle bin.  I’ve just seen items that have been deleted, not a deleted items folder.  Pam.
 

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Deleted Folder
 

 

You can probably find it in the recycle bin on the desktop.  Highlight the recycle bin icon, press enter to open it, and scroll down until you land on the deleted folder.  Then press the context menu key and select restore to restore the deleted folder to its original location.


Gerald



On 2/3/2021 3:46 PM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:

Hello list.  I accidentally deleted my folder with several tips and tricks for the computer in it.  Any way to get it back? 


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Deleted Folder

Nancy Shackelford
 

I hope you didn't press shift-delete; if you just pressed the delete
key, you can restore it from the recycle bin.
Nance

On 2/3/21, Marilyn and Don Bilderback <djbilderback@cox.net> wrote:
Hello list. I accidentally deleted my folder with several tips and tricks
for the computer in it. Any way to get it back?






--
Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--


Re: Deleted Folder

Gerald Levy
 


You can probably find it in the recycle bin on the desktop.  Highlight the recycle bin icon, press enter to open it, and scroll down until you land on the deleted folder.  Then press the context menu key and select restore to restore the deleted folder to its original location.


Gerald



On 2/3/2021 3:46 PM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:

Hello list.  I accidentally deleted my folder with several tips and tricks for the computer in it.  Any way to get it back? 


Deleted Folder

Marilyn and Don Bilderback
 

Hello list.  I accidentally deleted my folder with several tips and tricks for the computer in it.  Any way to get it back? 


google play store

Kathy Pingstock
 

Good afternoon,

 

I have a meeting coming up, my meeting is on the google play store for zoom, how to I install this on my windows ten laptop.

Kathy

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Facebook question

Shelly Kane
 

Keith:


Sorry if I'm coming in to late but just wanted to let you know that if you delete an account with Facebook, it never really gets totally deleted.  If you have anyone around you who is sighted, you should have them help you change your address.  My niece did it for me.  I think these apps need to be more accessible.  Hope this helps.

Shelly

On 2/2/2021 8:58 AM, Keith S wrote:
so are you thinking I should just delete my current account and make a new one with my new email?
 
 
Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Facebook question

Hi Keith,

I just wonder if completely unsubscribing with the old email, and resubscribing with the new email address, if that might make a difference.  I don’t use FaceBook though. 

 

Janet

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Facebook question

 

I've had a similar problem with removing my facebook's log in email.  I have added a new email address that is the one I use for regular email to my account, but I cannot get facebook to switch the new email as my log in email.  I've chekced the help section on facebook but the steps do not seem to work, at least for a blind person.  Something about "when the menu opens select master email check box" .  Apparrently it's a virtual menu that jaws users cannot access.

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet

Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:08 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Facebook question

 

Hi Madison,
Well, I see no one has answered you yet.  I'm not familiar with Facebook either, but have you tried to unsubscribe using your old email, and resubscribing with your new email? Just a thought.

Janet  

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 11:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Facebook question

Hi all,
I was able to add this email address to my profile on Facebook, but
notifications are still going to my old email. How do I change it so that they
get sent to this address? I saw that there's a link to remove this address from
my profile, but there didn't seem to be one to remove my old email address. I'm
using mbasic.facebook.com, the latest Edge, the latest Jaws 2021, and Windows 10
version 2004. Thanks Madison












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Re: can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Gene
 

First, there is no point in defragging a digital drive. The drive can find all information with equal speed wherever it is. Second, every time you defragment a digital drive, you are wearing it out faster. Digital drives have only a certain number of writes available. When you defragment a drive, you are moving information around, thus using up write cycles for no benefit. It may be that there are programs that will let you defragment a digital drive, but that's just because they do, not because there is any benefit in doing so.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Wohlgamuth
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 8:56 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?



Pam and group, you can defrag the newer HDs but you must use a different utility for this purpose. This is what I was told by my computer person.

Have A Good 1!

de

mailto:wohlggie@gmail.com<KF8LT><Jim>.


On 02-Feb-21 15:12, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

If it’s one of the new kind of hard drives without platters, you can’t defrag them. Pam.

From: Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 11:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


Did you defrag the hard drive?

What version of Jaws are you using?

How much memory does this machine have in it?







73 N2DYN Angelo







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had a computer guy take a look at it and he said that besides some HP proprietary software required to run the actual computer , I don't have any bloat ware running on my system. he is not familiar with screen readers but he said that jaws might be the cause of the slow down. And yes, I to am trying to learn windows 10 and also jaws as I am a former window eyes user. I still run a laptop with xp and window eyes and it is a heck of a lot faster than my "new" laptop with jaws and win 10 on it. I don't do any emailing or shopping on it, but I like the smoothness and the response and speed of the window eyes and xp experience on the older computer.







Shrug. Needless to say, a lot of the internet and what not is cut off from me because of the xp machine not being able to load most websites but hey, I prefer getting things typed out on my xp wordpad rather than typing a line of text on the win 10 comptuer and then having to wait for either jaws or win 10 to catch up and actually speak the line I just typed.







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:49 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

I’m not very familiar with Windows 10, but I’m learning! LOL! As far as your pc running that slow, I would definitely check to see what apps might be running in the background. Slow computers are often caused by too many programs running simultaneously, taking up processing power and reducing the PC's performance. That’s just my personal opinion though. I don’t know if you are running a Desktop or Laptop like I am or not, but even though, I’ve had my new Laptop barely 3 weeks, and I haven’t worked on it much this past week, my Laptop appears to be much slower than my old Windows 7, and I’ve had Windows 7 since 2012. Although, I’m sure my slowness of my new Laptop is caused by a lot of bloatware that came with Windows 10 as well as the updates, I know I need to get rid of, or at least I hope that’s all it is! Smile! As far as using the Reset option, from my understanding, the reset feature is a repair tool in Windows 10. You can use that, and you can choose what you want to keep, and after the repair, that will reinstall a fresh copy of Windows 10. I hope this helps a little, as I just can’t stand a sluggish pc, I would rather throw it out the Window! Smile!





Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







does this resetting reinstall windows completely, (aka download a new copy of windows from the Microsoft servers and install it on your system? I upgraded from windows 8 to windows 10 when MS was offering the free update and my system is is as slow as heck. I have the proper amount of ram and cpu speed on my laptop to handle windows 10 and jaws, but the computer is very "laggy" and simple things like opening a folder can take up to 2 minutes to complete and allow access to the files in the folder. opening programs is the same way, even functions taht are part of windows are slow to open and respond.











thanks



3



Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:05 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Jim,

I’m sorry you’re still having this problem, as this can be quite frustorating! Jim, if we had an idea is to what MS has already done on your PC, we could at least alimanate some suggestions. I could say you could use the reset feature, in which you would have the option to save your files or remove them, and a fresh Windows would download, but then again, some of your files could be causing you from downloading, so we don’t know if that would help. I’m not really too familiar with Windows Ten, but I’m learning! From my understanding, if you reset your PC and keep files,

This reset option will reinstall Windows 10 and keeps your personal files, such as photos, music, videos or personal files. However, it will remove apps and drivers you installed, and also removes the changes you made to the settings. I think using the reset option, it can take maybe two or three hours, if you decide to keep your files during the reset process. I also think third-party software, system file corruption, system settings changes, or malware should be fixed by resetting your PC though. I hope at least this gives you something to think about, if MS hasn’t already done this.





Janet









From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?





Hi all, my computer won’t update, and hasn’t in months. Microsoft has tried to fix the problem and they say they can’t fix the problem. So what if I reset this computer to factory settings, would it eliminate problems like this? I of course would have to store the programs I have now, but that can be done. Anyway, I need your thoughts. I am running windows ten and jaws 18, because I can’t install 2019, or 2020. Jim




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