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Re: Lenovo Laptops.

Pamela Dominguez
 

I don't understand two fingers on one key. The only wide keys I know of are the shift and enter and backspace keys and the insert key. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene,
Wow, what a day I had trying to set up the Lenovo. I worked on that Laptop for at least 6 hours, and still no go! LOL! Narrator was not any help at all! When I first turned on the Laptop, a woman's voice came on, and said she can walk me through the steps if I was ready by voice, and I answered yes to her, and I searched on line for the keys to turn on the speaker, volume, mic. Well then, I heard no more from her. I wasn't for sure if she heard me or not though. I turned on Narrator, and it just kept turning off for some unknown reason. Then the Laptop would just shut down. I would then have to unplug the Laptop, and wait for a few minutes, and plug it back in in order to see if I could hear the woman's voice, so she could walk me through it, but I didn't hear her voice, so I turned on Narrator again, and again, Narrator just stopped talking once again. So I once again turned Narrator on again, and pressed a few keys quickly, so I found that if I kept pressing keys, Narrator would stay on, and I also heard Narrator saying if I want Narrator to read the keys to me I can press caps lock, plus the number 1, so I did press the cap key and the number one, and quickly started to press a few keys mainly on the numpad. So I finally found the enter key on that keyboard, and pressed enter. I then got a message from Narrator saying Microsoft set up 2 of 5 steps, but that message continued for an hour in a half. I began to press the space bar to hear something, but I just kept getting the same message, so I just waited a little longer to see if I could hear something, but I still got the exact same message. So, I was getting ready to turn the Laptop off again because I couldn't do anything with it, and I didn't know what it was doing, as Narrator didn't say anything. Well, finally the woman's voice came on asking me if I'm sure I want to quit, and I told her no. She then told me enter my first and last name in the field, and I did, but I did spell my name wrong because the e key was so far away, I couldn't find the back space at all, I couldn't find the delete key, as I looked and looked for those keys. I then pressed shift plus tab, and got back in to the edit field to enter my name again. I then had to enter my email address in the field as well, and made a mistake because of those crazy keys, but anyway it went through. I thought to myself, ok, maybe I'm getting somewhere, I selected my network. Now it was time for me to enter my WI-Fi password, but low in behold, I couldn't turn on the numpad key to use the numbers, I couldn't even use the numbers on the number roll either, so I couldn't finish the install or set up, so I couldn't have any internet. I think in the beginning why it was taking so long was it was asking me to except something, but Narrator was not reading it to me, and I don't know what happened to the woman who first came on talking. I would not even want this keyboard even if someone was to give it to me. I can not work with the keyboard! LOL! It is just too difficult to try and type with two fingers on one key, but I just thought I would give it another chance, but that is the very last chance I will even try to work with that keyboard. LOL! Smile!


Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

You don't have to give it up. there are external numpads you can attach.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 2:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Wow, how terrible to have to give up the num pad. My Lenovo desktop has
laster for over five years. I got almost ten years out of my last Dell.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene and All,
I've been doing quite a bit of research on the Lenovo IdeaPad in which I
recently bought. I don't particularly like the keyboard, as the keys are to
flat and to large, and different shapes, and when I press a key, the key
goes down into the keyboard. I also read quite a bit about how long the
Lenovo Laptops last, and according to what I have been reading, they only
will last two years. LOL! I paid $499, so I would like it to last a little
longer, but with this particular Laptop, according to the reviews I've
read, this isn't going to last long. I also read this Lenovo does overheat
quite often, not sure if it is because of the Intel Processor or what. I am
going to take it back to Best Buy Monday, and try to get one without the num
pad, as I know Best Buy don't have Laptops with the Num Pad in their stores.
Thank you all so much for all your help, as it is greatly appreciated.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

To clarify, I'm saying that I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss
the chip speed and cache that would be the best buy for the money for a
typical user. If you get too underpowered or undercached a chip, you likely
won't be satisfied. I'm also saying that differences in brands, which chips
offer faster performance and more cache, for example for the price, and
which operate more cooly, if that matters, are things I don't have the
knowledge to discuss along with the best specifications per brand.

It is my impression that this or that brand may have a slower chip speed,
but that other technical differences may provide faster performance than a
different brand with the same chip speed.. And how much such differences
matter for the typical user in terms of performance per price is something I
don't know.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

There are objective differences in brands and models of chips. Whether and
to what extent they matter to the typical user, I don't know and I don't
have the technical knowledge to discuss but there are objective differences.
it isn't just a matter of taste.


Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.



Hi Pam,



Computer brands, models, processors, speakers, it is mostly a matter of what
we are used to and what we can afford.

You know, I’m a chev guy,

I’m a Wrangler Woman,

I choose pepsi,

Coke rocks

And we won’t bother with the pizza or burgers.



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez
Sent: December 26, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







My first windows computer was a Gateway 2000 tower with an AMD processor
that I got back in 2000. I was told, even back then, that AMD processors
were better. Pam.







From: Monte Single



Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 8:16 AM



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







Hi Josh,

I am not familiar with the current line of a m d processors, but they were
all I used till a few years ago.My impression is that a m d processors are
now a better choice, dollar for dollar, than an intel.



Of course some will disagree.



It sounds like a great machine unless you intend to do serious gaming and
video editing.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: December 25, 2020 6:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.





speaking of LENOVO laptops, I am thinking of getting the following laptop. A
LENOVO, with 256 GB solid-state NVME Drive., and I'm sorry if I posted this
before I don't remember if I did, I amD RYZEN5 processor, eight gigs of RAM,
with this configuration of computer work good with JAWS?












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Re: Lenovo Laptops.

Janet
 

Carolyn,
I would rather have the NumPad on my keyboard, but I don't know if I can find a Laptop with just some buttons like on a desktop PC, so if not, I might try to see if I can buy an external NumPad, as I've seen those before, and there not too bad though. External NumPads aren't usually that exspensive either, but I guess I'll find out.

Janet .

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 2:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Wow, how terrible to have to give up the num pad. My Lenovo desktop has laster for over five years. I got almost ten years out of my last Dell.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene and All,
I've been doing quite a bit of research on the Lenovo IdeaPad in which I recently bought. I don't particularly like the keyboard, as the keys are to flat and to large, and different shapes, and when I press a key, the key goes down into the keyboard. I also read quite a bit about how long the Lenovo Laptops last, and according to what I have been reading, they only will last two years. LOL! I paid $499, so I would like it to last a little longer, but with this particular Laptop, according to the reviews I've read, this isn't going to last long. I also read this Lenovo does overheat quite often, not sure if it is because of the Intel Processor or what. I am going to take it back to Best Buy Monday, and try to get one without the num pad, as I know Best Buy don't have Laptops with the Num Pad in their stores.
Thank you all so much for all your help, as it is greatly appreciated.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

To clarify, I'm saying that I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss the chip speed and cache that would be the best buy for the money for a typical user. If you get too underpowered or undercached a chip, you likely won't be satisfied. I'm also saying that differences in brands, which chips offer faster performance and more cache, for example for the price, and which operate more cooly, if that matters, are things I don't have the knowledge to discuss along with the best specifications per brand.

It is my impression that this or that brand may have a slower chip speed, but that other technical differences may provide faster performance than a different brand with the same chip speed.. And how much such differences matter for the typical user in terms of performance per price is something I don't know.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

There are objective differences in brands and models of chips. Whether and to what extent they matter to the typical user, I don't know and I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss but there are objective differences.
it isn't just a matter of taste.


Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.



Hi Pam,



Computer brands, models, processors, speakers, it is mostly a matter of what
we are used to and what we can afford.

You know, I’m a chev guy,

I’m a Wrangler Woman,

I choose pepsi,

Coke rocks

And we won’t bother with the pizza or burgers.



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez
Sent: December 26, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







My first windows computer was a Gateway 2000 tower with an AMD processor
that I got back in 2000. I was told, even back then, that AMD processors
were better. Pam.







From: Monte Single



Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 8:16 AM



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







Hi Josh,

I am not familiar with the current line of a m d processors, but they were
all I used till a few years ago.My impression is that a m d processors are
now a better choice, dollar for dollar, than an intel.



Of course some will disagree.



It sounds like a great machine unless you intend to do serious gaming and
video editing.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: December 25, 2020 6:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.





speaking of LENOVO laptops, I am thinking of getting the following laptop. A
LENOVO, with 256 GB solid-state NVME Drive., and I'm sorry if I posted this
before I don't remember if I did, I amD RYZEN5 processor, eight gigs of RAM,
with this configuration of computer work good with JAWS?












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Re: New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Janet
 

Carolyn,
I feel the same way about another keyboard. Just too many things to buy and to carry. Now, if I had an old Laptop, and the keys were not any good, and I wanted to keep the Laptop, I might then think about it, but other than that, an extra keyboard, I would not be in favor of.


Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

I would not get a laptop, if I had to use another keyboard, don't have one for my iPhone, wouldn't have one for it. That just makes for too clumsy maneuvering in my opinion.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Hi,
May I ask you why you say you don't like Laptop keyboards? I've never used a Laptop before, and I don't know very much about them, so if you would please shed some light on the factors of Laptop keyboards, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thank you.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Catherine Clegg
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:19 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

I hate laptop keyboards so I always buy an external one
On Dec 26, 2020, at 10:13 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@outlook.com> wrote:

Hi Marie,
Don't let it intimidate me, laughing, so you made my day! I was pretty close to letting it intimidate me! Laughing! I can't stand the keyboard though, so I haven't even turned it on. As far as the MS, I think that was a 6 month trial though, but I don't want MS, but I'm just not for sure if I will need MS or not, but I'll see. I will see what I can find at Best Buy Monday when I take back the Laptop I just bought.
Thank you so much!
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Janet,
Power the laptop up and wait a minute for the booth process to begin.
Then press the ctrl Plus Windows key plus enter and soon Narrator will
begin talking.
I am quite sure that Windows 10 is on the machine and if you take your
time and listen to the prompts, you can get it set up. Many of us have
done it before you.
I also believe that the Office suite is a thirty day trial unless you
paid extra to have the package.
The important thing is not to let it intimidate you. LOL!


-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 6:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

HI Marten,
Thank you for this, but I don't even know if Windows 10 is already
installed, although, I don't think so. The person who helped me
online with this, said Windows is already installed. I don't know the
Lenovo key on the keyboard in which I think I might need. I don't
know the product key number either. LOL! I don't know if Narrator
will walk me through all the steps or not though. I don't know if
this was a good idea buying this Laptop either. Thank you anyway. I greatly appreciate it.

Janet
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Marten Post Uiterweer
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 5:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Janet" ,

You can cturn on Narrator with ctrl-win-enter, but I am not sure with
wat screen the Lenovo will start.

You can try to start the laptop and after a while press this shortkey.

It can also be, that the laptop will ask to install windows and in
this case I am not sure if Narrator is working.

Regards, Marten


On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 22:59:39 +0000 "Janet"
<janet.harvard@outlook.com>
wrote:

Hi Everyone,
Well, I thought I wasn't going to receive my new Lenovo IdeaPad until
Jan 06-2021, but I just received it, and I don't know what to do with it now!
LOL! I do know it might take me sometime to learn the keys, as some
of them are long and some of them are wide, and the keys are a little
larger than what I am used to. The keys are also close to each
other. Any suggestions how to get started with this, meaning I need
some speech, or there isn't any point in me even turning it on! LOL!
Someone mentioned to turn on Narrator, but I don't remember how to turn it on.

Janet

Peace Be With You.

























Re: Lenovo Laptops.

Janet
 

Hi Carolyn,
It sounds like you got a pretty good deal. I do think Lenovo's rather Laptops or Desktops have good products though. It is just this keyboard I can't work with at all. Are the keys on your pc long, short, very long, and all different shapes?
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 2:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Janet, I got my Lenovo desktop for something like $450, could have been $449.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene,
Yes, I do find this very useful. I was wondering if all or most Laptops have pretty much the same keyboard layout. I will have to give this some serious thought now. I don't know if I could get used to the keyboard on this Lenovo, but maybe if I tried a little more, but it is completely different from any other keyboard I've ever used, but then again, I've always used desktops, and that is what I'm used to. So, I either buy a desktop, or try to get used to Laptop keyboards. I do definitely want a Laptop though. So this gives me something to think about. I will keep the comments from this email though.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

These comments are long, but you may find them useful and if they encourage further discussion, you may find that useful as well.

The following comments may help you approach deciding what laptop to buy or such questions as whether you want to use an external keyboard. I haven't used a variety of laptops. My comments are intended to stir helpful discussion. While I have given you my impression regarding laptop keyboards, they are my impression and are not based on looking at a variety.

You might consider Computers For the Blind, as I said, if money is tight. I believe you use a computer for typical things, browsing, e-mail, streaming music. If money isn't tight or you just want a better computer, you may not want to. But 150 dollars for a refurbished laptop that is already configured, not that you couldn't do it yourself, a free year of JAWS, which may or may not matter if you already have JAWS, and NVDA included may make more sense. I haven't gotten a machine from them, but I've heard good things from those who have.

If you ask here, you may get comments from a number of people about whether the machines satisfy users, have good keyboards, and other ;possible questions you have. There is a real difference between five hundred dollars and 150 dollars.

Regarding keyboards, I'm not sure what choices you have on laptops. My laptop has square keys that are much larger than the keys on a mechanical external keyboard. The feel of depression is different as well. The question of keyboards would be something to discuss here. I hope others comment on such questions as:
Can you find mechanical or small key keyboards in laptops? Are you willing to use an external keyboard? My guess is that you are used to external mechanical keyboards, not membrane keyboards. Although I haven't looked into this, my guess is that most perhaps almost all laptop keyboards are membrane and membrane keyboards have a different tension and feel than a mechanical keyboard.

As far as keys being of different shapes, I'm not sure what you are referring to but laptop keyboards often have keys like home and end in different places than external keyboards. They are often differently shaped from the letter and number keys as well.
Once I got used to where the home and end keys are on my keyboard, I don't object to them and find them as easy to use as the traditional home and end keys. It may be just a case of you getting used to a laptop computer keyboard. That may be easier for some people than for others.

If you use your computer mainly at home, you may want to get a mechanical external keyboard if that is what you are used to, and it probably is.

Many people use a laptop computer for mostly home use.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 8:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene and All,
I've been doing quite a bit of research on the Lenovo IdeaPad in which I recently bought. I don't particularly like the keyboard, as the keys are to flat and to large, and different shapes, and when I press a key, the key goes down into the keyboard. I also read quite a bit about how long the Lenovo Laptops last, and according to what I have been reading, they only will last two years. LOL! I paid $499, so I would like it to last a little longer, but with this particular Laptop, according to the reviews I've read, this isn't going to last long. I also read this Lenovo does overheat quite often, not sure if it is because of the Intel Processor or what. I am going to take it back to Best Buy Monday, and try to get one without the num pad, as I know Best Buy don't have Laptops with the Num Pad in their stores.
Thank you all so much for all your help, as it is greatly appreciated.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

To clarify, I'm saying that I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss the chip speed and cache that would be the best buy for the money for a typical user. If you get too underpowered or undercached a chip, you likely won't be satisfied. I'm also saying that differences in brands, which chips offer faster performance and more cache, for example for the price, and which operate more cooly, if that matters, are things I don't have the knowledge to discuss along with the best specifications per brand.

It is my impression that this or that brand may have a slower chip speed, but that other technical differences may provide faster performance than a different brand with the same chip speed.. And how much such differences matter for the typical user in terms of performance per price is something I don't know.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

There are objective differences in brands and models of chips. Whether and to what extent they matter to the typical user, I don't know and I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss but there are objective differences.
it isn't just a matter of taste.


Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.



Hi Pam,



Computer brands, models, processors, speakers, it is mostly a matter of what
we are used to and what we can afford.

You know, I’m a chev guy,

I’m a Wrangler Woman,

I choose pepsi,

Coke rocks

And we won’t bother with the pizza or burgers.



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez
Sent: December 26, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







My first windows computer was a Gateway 2000 tower with an AMD processor
that I got back in 2000. I was told, even back then, that AMD processors
were better. Pam.







From: Monte Single



Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 8:16 AM



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







Hi Josh,

I am not familiar with the current line of a m d processors, but they were
all I used till a few years ago.My impression is that a m d processors are
now a better choice, dollar for dollar, than an intel.



Of course some will disagree.



It sounds like a great machine unless you intend to do serious gaming and
video editing.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: December 25, 2020 6:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.





speaking of LENOVO laptops, I am thinking of getting the following laptop. A
LENOVO, with 256 GB solid-state NVME Drive., and I'm sorry if I posted this
before I don't remember if I did, I amD RYZEN5 processor, eight gigs of RAM,
with this configuration of computer work good with JAWS?












This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software.
www.avg.com


Re: Lenovo Laptops.

Janet
 

Hi Brian,
I think I just might have to buy an external NumPad, and maybe just a normal Laptop. I want to feel the keys before I buy another Laptop though. If I can't work with the keys I don't want to pay for the Laptop if I can't use it. So, I want to feel the keys on a Laptop without the NumPad to see if there is a difference. I also just don't want the Laptops 2 in 1 as they call them, meaning I want one without the touch screen, as that could have been some of my problems I had today trying to set up the new Laptop I just bought. We'll see, as I am going to Best Buy tomorrow.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Zolo
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hey there, Janet, Brian Zolo here in Gahanna, Ohio. Why not just buy an external keyboard rather than getting a whole new laptop. At some point in time you'll definitely need to consider either getting a subscription to office 365 or get a physical version of Microsoft office. Office 365 is subscription based but the advantage to subscriptions is that you'll always be kept up to date. I've stayed with external keyboards and that's just a personal choice because of the differences in the layout of laptop keyboards. Most laptops that you buy will already have windows ten installed. Then it's a matter of getting whatever screen reading software you intend to use installed. Variety is the spice of life, grin1 bZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi,
You are so right. It really does all depend on what someone does, and often they use it. So, you got a Lenovo for $250, great deal, and it still is running! LOL! I can't stand the keyboard on this Lenovo I bought though. I will take it back to Best Buy Monday, and hopefully get a better one with a better keyboard for me to work with.

Thank you so much for all your help.

Janet
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

How long a laptop or desktop lasts depends on many factors. Some of the factors are; The quality of the components of the machine, How and where the machine is used, How many hours a day or week the machine is used.
... and others I do not think of right now.

I gave my sister an inexpensive Lenovo laptop in July of 2016. She probably uses it a bit each day but I know she does not spend hours and hours, on facebook, pinterest, and games.
So she has been using that cheap Lenovo laptop for 4 and a half years. It does all the thing she wants to do. It may die tomorrow. It may last andother 4 years. It keeps instaloling the windows updates.
It cost 250 U S dollars on sale.
If it dies tomorrow, so be it.
I figure it was a good investment.
For some other people, that laptop would have been inadequate.
Getting a machine that suits your needs and your budget is the best you can do.
If money is not an issue, then you have a lot more choices.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: December 26, 2020 8:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene and All,
I've been doing quite a bit of research on the Lenovo IdeaPad in which I recently bought. I don't particularly like the keyboard, as the keys are to flat and to large, and different shapes, and when I press a key, the key goes down into the keyboard. I also read quite a bit about how long the Lenovo Laptops last, and according to what I have been reading, they only will last two years. LOL! I paid $499, so I would like it to last a little longer, but with this particular Laptop, according to the reviews I've read, this isn't going to last long. I also read this Lenovo does overheat quite often, not sure if it is because of the Intel Processor or what. I am going to take it back to Best Buy Monday, and try to get one without the num pad, as I know Best Buy don't have Laptops with the Num Pad in their stores.
Thank you all so much for all your help, as it is greatly appreciated.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

To clarify, I'm saying that I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss the chip speed and cache that would be the best buy for the money for a typical user. If you get too underpowered or undercached a chip, you likely won't be satisfied. I'm also saying that differences in brands, which chips offer faster performance and more cache, for example for the price, and which operate more cooly, if that matters, are things I don't have the knowledge to discuss along with the best specifications per brand.

It is my impression that this or that brand may have a slower chip speed, but that other technical differences may provide faster performance than a different brand with the same chip speed.. And how much such differences matter for the typical user in terms of performance per price is something I don't know.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

There are objective differences in brands and models of chips. Whether and to what extent they matter to the typical user, I don't know and I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss but there are objective differences.
it isn't just a matter of taste.


Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.



Hi Pam,



Computer brands, models, processors, speakers, it is mostly a matter of what we are used to and what we can afford.

You know, I’m a chev guy,

I’m a Wrangler Woman,

I choose pepsi,

Coke rocks

And we won’t bother with the pizza or burgers.



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: December 26, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







My first windows computer was a Gateway 2000 tower with an AMD processor that I got back in 2000. I was told, even back then, that AMD processors were better. Pam.







From: Monte Single



Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 8:16 AM



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







Hi Josh,

I am not familiar with the current line of a m d processors, but they were all I used till a few years ago.My impression is that a m d processors are now a better choice, dollar for dollar, than an intel.



Of course some will disagree.



It sounds like a great machine unless you intend to do serious gaming and video editing.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: December 25, 2020 6:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.





speaking of LENOVO laptops, I am thinking of getting the following laptop. A LENOVO, with 256 GB solid-state NVME Drive., and I'm sorry if I posted this before I don't remember if I did, I amD RYZEN5 processor, eight gigs of RAM, with this configuration of computer work good with JAWS?












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Re: Lenovo Laptops.

Janet
 

Hi Gene,
Wow, what a day I had trying to set up the Lenovo. I worked on that Laptop for at least 6 hours, and still no go! LOL! Narrator was not any help at all! When I first turned on the Laptop, a woman's voice came on, and said she can walk me through the steps if I was ready by voice, and I answered yes to her, and I searched on line for the keys to turn on the speaker, volume, mic. Well then, I heard no more from her. I wasn't for sure if she heard me or not though. I turned on Narrator, and it just kept turning off for some unknown reason. Then the Laptop would just shut down. I would then have to unplug the Laptop, and wait for a few minutes, and plug it back in in order to see if I could hear the woman's voice, so she could walk me through it, but I didn't hear her voice, so I turned on Narrator again, and again, Narrator just stopped talking once again. So I once again turned Narrator on again, and pressed a few keys quickly, so I found that if I kept pressing keys, Narrator would stay on, and I also heard Narrator saying if I want Narrator to read the keys to me I can press caps lock, plus the number 1, so I did press the cap key and the number one, and quickly started to press a few keys mainly on the numpad. So I finally found the enter key on that keyboard, and pressed enter. I then got a message from Narrator saying Microsoft set up 2 of 5 steps, but that message continued for an hour in a half. I began to press the space bar to hear something, but I just kept getting the same message, so I just waited a little longer to see if I could hear something, but I still got the exact same message. So, I was getting ready to turn the Laptop off again because I couldn't do anything with it, and I didn't know what it was doing, as Narrator didn't say anything. Well, finally the woman's voice came on asking me if I'm sure I want to quit, and I told her no. She then told me enter my first and last name in the field, and I did, but I did spell my name wrong because the e key was so far away, I couldn't find the back space at all, I couldn't find the delete key, as I looked and looked for those keys. I then pressed shift plus tab, and got back in to the edit field to enter my name again. I then had to enter my email address in the field as well, and made a mistake because of those crazy keys, but anyway it went through. I thought to myself, ok, maybe I'm getting somewhere, I selected my network. Now it was time for me to enter my WI-Fi password, but low in behold, I couldn't turn on the numpad key to use the numbers, I couldn't even use the numbers on the number roll either, so I couldn't finish the install or set up, so I couldn't have any internet. I think in the beginning why it was taking so long was it was asking me to except something, but Narrator was not reading it to me, and I don't know what happened to the woman who first came on talking. I would not even want this keyboard even if someone was to give it to me. I can not work with the keyboard! LOL! It is just too difficult to try and type with two fingers on one key, but I just thought I would give it another chance, but that is the very last chance I will even try to work with that keyboard. LOL! Smile!


Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

You don't have to give it up. there are external numpads you can attach.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 2:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Wow, how terrible to have to give up the num pad. My Lenovo desktop has
laster for over five years. I got almost ten years out of my last Dell.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene and All,
I've been doing quite a bit of research on the Lenovo IdeaPad in which I
recently bought. I don't particularly like the keyboard, as the keys are to
flat and to large, and different shapes, and when I press a key, the key
goes down into the keyboard. I also read quite a bit about how long the
Lenovo Laptops last, and according to what I have been reading, they only
will last two years. LOL! I paid $499, so I would like it to last a little
longer, but with this particular Laptop, according to the reviews I've
read, this isn't going to last long. I also read this Lenovo does overheat
quite often, not sure if it is because of the Intel Processor or what. I am
going to take it back to Best Buy Monday, and try to get one without the num
pad, as I know Best Buy don't have Laptops with the Num Pad in their stores.
Thank you all so much for all your help, as it is greatly appreciated.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

To clarify, I'm saying that I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss
the chip speed and cache that would be the best buy for the money for a
typical user. If you get too underpowered or undercached a chip, you likely
won't be satisfied. I'm also saying that differences in brands, which chips
offer faster performance and more cache, for example for the price, and
which operate more cooly, if that matters, are things I don't have the
knowledge to discuss along with the best specifications per brand.

It is my impression that this or that brand may have a slower chip speed,
but that other technical differences may provide faster performance than a
different brand with the same chip speed.. And how much such differences
matter for the typical user in terms of performance per price is something I
don't know.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

There are objective differences in brands and models of chips. Whether and
to what extent they matter to the typical user, I don't know and I don't
have the technical knowledge to discuss but there are objective differences.
it isn't just a matter of taste.


Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.



Hi Pam,



Computer brands, models, processors, speakers, it is mostly a matter of what
we are used to and what we can afford.

You know, I’m a chev guy,

I’m a Wrangler Woman,

I choose pepsi,

Coke rocks

And we won’t bother with the pizza or burgers.



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez
Sent: December 26, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







My first windows computer was a Gateway 2000 tower with an AMD processor
that I got back in 2000. I was told, even back then, that AMD processors
were better. Pam.







From: Monte Single



Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 8:16 AM



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







Hi Josh,

I am not familiar with the current line of a m d processors, but they were
all I used till a few years ago.My impression is that a m d processors are
now a better choice, dollar for dollar, than an intel.



Of course some will disagree.



It sounds like a great machine unless you intend to do serious gaming and
video editing.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: December 25, 2020 6:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.





speaking of LENOVO laptops, I am thinking of getting the following laptop. A
LENOVO, with 256 GB solid-state NVME Drive., and I'm sorry if I posted this
before I don't remember if I did, I amD RYZEN5 processor, eight gigs of RAM,
with this configuration of computer work good with JAWS?












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Re: jaws updates

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 


An SMA is $150 for two upgrades. This is best way if you are current. If you ar behind  then the yearly  subscription might be best. From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] jaws updates
 
why not just subscribe to Jaws with the Home annual license. It is less expensive than buying SMEs.


Re: jaws updates

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

no the sma is $75 per year.
 

From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 7:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] jaws updates
 
why not just subscribe to Jaws with the Home annual license. It is less expensive than buying SMEs.


Re: Lenovo Laptops.

Gene
 

You don't have to give it up. there are external numpads you can attach.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 2:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Wow, how terrible to have to give up the num pad. My Lenovo desktop has laster for over five years. I got almost ten years out of my last Dell.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene and All,
I've been doing quite a bit of research on the Lenovo IdeaPad in which I recently bought. I don't particularly like the keyboard, as the keys are to flat and to large, and different shapes, and when I press a key, the key goes down into the keyboard. I also read quite a bit about how long the Lenovo Laptops last, and according to what I have been reading, they only will last two years. LOL! I paid $499, so I would like it to last a little longer, but with this particular Laptop, according to the reviews I've read, this isn't going to last long. I also read this Lenovo does overheat quite often, not sure if it is because of the Intel Processor or what. I am going to take it back to Best Buy Monday, and try to get one without the num pad, as I know Best Buy don't have Laptops with the Num Pad in their stores.
Thank you all so much for all your help, as it is greatly appreciated.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

To clarify, I'm saying that I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss the chip speed and cache that would be the best buy for the money for a typical user. If you get too underpowered or undercached a chip, you likely won't be satisfied. I'm also saying that differences in brands, which chips offer faster performance and more cache, for example for the price, and which operate more cooly, if that matters, are things I don't have the knowledge to discuss along with the best specifications per brand.

It is my impression that this or that brand may have a slower chip speed, but that other technical differences may provide faster performance than a different brand with the same chip speed.. And how much such differences matter for the typical user in terms of performance per price is something I don't know.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

There are objective differences in brands and models of chips. Whether and to what extent they matter to the typical user, I don't know and I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss but there are objective differences.
it isn't just a matter of taste.


Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.



Hi Pam,



Computer brands, models, processors, speakers, it is mostly a matter of what
we are used to and what we can afford.

You know, I’m a chev guy,

I’m a Wrangler Woman,

I choose pepsi,

Coke rocks

And we won’t bother with the pizza or burgers.



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez
Sent: December 26, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







My first windows computer was a Gateway 2000 tower with an AMD processor
that I got back in 2000. I was told, even back then, that AMD processors
were better. Pam.







From: Monte Single



Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 8:16 AM



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







Hi Josh,

I am not familiar with the current line of a m d processors, but they were
all I used till a few years ago.My impression is that a m d processors are
now a better choice, dollar for dollar, than an intel.



Of course some will disagree.



It sounds like a great machine unless you intend to do serious gaming and
video editing.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: December 25, 2020 6:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.





speaking of LENOVO laptops, I am thinking of getting the following laptop. A
LENOVO, with 256 GB solid-state NVME Drive., and I'm sorry if I posted this
before I don't remember if I did, I amD RYZEN5 processor, eight gigs of RAM,
with this configuration of computer work good with JAWS?












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Re: Lenovo Laptops.

Brian Zolo
 

Hey there, Janet, Brian Zolo here in Gahanna, Ohio. Why not just buy an external keyboard rather than getting a whole new laptop. At some point in time you'll definitely need to consider either getting a subscription to office 365 or get a physical version of Microsoft office. Office 365 is subscription based but the advantage to subscriptions is that you'll always be kept up to date. I've stayed with external keyboards and that's just a personal choice because of the differences in the layout of laptop keyboards. Most laptops that you buy will already have windows ten installed. Then it's a matter of getting whatever screen reading software you intend to use installed. Variety is the spice of life, grin1 bZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi,
You are so right. It really does all depend on what someone does, and often they use it. So, you got a Lenovo for $250, great deal, and it still is running! LOL! I can't stand the keyboard on this Lenovo I bought though. I will take it back to Best Buy Monday, and hopefully get a better one with a better keyboard for me to work with.

Thank you so much for all your help.

Janet
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

How long a laptop or desktop lasts depends on many factors. Some of the factors are; The quality of the components of the machine, How and where the machine is used, How many hours a day or week the machine is used.
... and others I do not think of right now.

I gave my sister an inexpensive Lenovo laptop in July of 2016. She probably uses it a bit each day but I know she does not spend hours and hours, on facebook, pinterest, and games.
So she has been using that cheap Lenovo laptop for 4 and a half years. It does all the thing she wants to do. It may die tomorrow. It may last andother 4 years. It keeps instaloling the windows updates.
It cost 250 U S dollars on sale.
If it dies tomorrow, so be it.
I figure it was a good investment.
For some other people, that laptop would have been inadequate.
Getting a machine that suits your needs and your budget is the best you can do.
If money is not an issue, then you have a lot more choices.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: December 26, 2020 8:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene and All,
I've been doing quite a bit of research on the Lenovo IdeaPad in which I recently bought. I don't particularly like the keyboard, as the keys are to flat and to large, and different shapes, and when I press a key, the key goes down into the keyboard. I also read quite a bit about how long the Lenovo Laptops last, and according to what I have been reading, they only will last two years. LOL! I paid $499, so I would like it to last a little longer, but with this particular Laptop, according to the reviews I've read, this isn't going to last long. I also read this Lenovo does overheat quite often, not sure if it is because of the Intel Processor or what. I am going to take it back to Best Buy Monday, and try to get one without the num pad, as I know Best Buy don't have Laptops with the Num Pad in their stores.
Thank you all so much for all your help, as it is greatly appreciated.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

To clarify, I'm saying that I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss the chip speed and cache that would be the best buy for the money for a typical user. If you get too underpowered or undercached a chip, you likely won't be satisfied. I'm also saying that differences in brands, which chips offer faster performance and more cache, for example for the price, and which operate more cooly, if that matters, are things I don't have the knowledge to discuss along with the best specifications per brand.

It is my impression that this or that brand may have a slower chip speed, but that other technical differences may provide faster performance than a different brand with the same chip speed.. And how much such differences matter for the typical user in terms of performance per price is something I don't know.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

There are objective differences in brands and models of chips. Whether and to what extent they matter to the typical user, I don't know and I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss but there are objective differences.
it isn't just a matter of taste.


Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.



Hi Pam,



Computer brands, models, processors, speakers, it is mostly a matter of what we are used to and what we can afford.

You know, I’m a chev guy,

I’m a Wrangler Woman,

I choose pepsi,

Coke rocks

And we won’t bother with the pizza or burgers.



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: December 26, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







My first windows computer was a Gateway 2000 tower with an AMD processor that I got back in 2000. I was told, even back then, that AMD processors were better. Pam.







From: Monte Single



Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 8:16 AM



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







Hi Josh,

I am not familiar with the current line of a m d processors, but they were all I used till a few years ago.My impression is that a m d processors are now a better choice, dollar for dollar, than an intel.



Of course some will disagree.



It sounds like a great machine unless you intend to do serious gaming and video editing.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: December 25, 2020 6:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.





speaking of LENOVO laptops, I am thinking of getting the following laptop. A LENOVO, with 256 GB solid-state NVME Drive., and I'm sorry if I posted this before I don't remember if I did, I amD RYZEN5 processor, eight gigs of RAM, with this configuration of computer work good with JAWS?












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Re: New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Lenron
 

All about use cases. sometimes I have my laptop sitting on a table
where sitting there just won't work. Maybe I just want to lay in bed
and holding my laptop is not ideal. At that point a wireless keyboard
comes in handy. Even with my desktop as it is right now having this
wireless board is perfect because of where the tower is.

On 12/27/20, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
Windows came with my desktop. It had Windows 8 on it. Jim ran all the
updates on it (131 of them), skipped 8.1, and installed 10. I knew that was
why I got such a good buy on it; it had been in stock for a while.

We got his Gateway in late 2014 for $299. It is still going.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lenron
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Best buy lied. When you buy a windows computer normally in stores windows is
already installed. Also for the last few years when using a laptop most of
the time I use a wireless keyboard. I like having access to the applications
key, and keyboard choice is just really nice.

On 12/26/20, Janet <janet.harvard@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi Gene,
Best Buy told me they have to always install Windows, as it is not
installed until a customer buys one.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Computer manufacturers sell computers with Windows installed. You can
buy computers with no operating system installed, but those are
specialized items and are not what you will get buying computers made
for the general consumer.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Hi Monte,
I was told Windows 10 was installed, but when I was doing some
research online, I just happened to come across some reviews, and
answers and questions, so, I also saw directions how to install
Windows 10 on the Laptop

I just bought, and I thought to myself, oh my goodness, I have to
install Windows ten too! LOL! I'm really not sure though if Windows
is actually installed or not though, but because I don't like that
keyboard, I will just

take it back to Best Buy. I will try and buy another Laptop, and this
time,

I will be fore sure if Windows is installed or not. I do remember
when I bought my last two Desktops, Windows 7 was not installed
though. I had to pay someone to come over and install it for me.
Matter of fact, I'll never

forget when I bought my very first Desktop, in which was from Best
Buy, but

low in behold, when they downloaded Windows XP, they actually
downloaded a virus on my Desktop though, so then because I had just
bought it, and had no

internet service at home as of yet, they gave me another Desktop.

Janet
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of

Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:26 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Absolutely, I am sure win 10 is already installed. I have never
heard of a brand name pc being sold without an operating system being
already installed.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Marie
Sent: December 26, 2020 10:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Janet,
Power the laptop up and wait a minute for the booth process to begin.
Then press the ctrl Plus Windows key plus enter and soon Narrator will
begin talking.
I am quite sure that Windows 10 is on the machine and if you take your
time and listen to the prompts, you can get it set up. Many of us have
done it before you.
I also believe that the Office suite is a thirty day trial unless you
paid extra to have the package.
The important thing is not to let it intimidate you. LOL!


-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 6:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

HI Marten,
Thank you for this, but I don't even know if Windows 10 is already
installed, although, I don't think so. The person who helped me
online with this, said Windows is already installed. I don't know the
Lenovo key on the keyboard in which I think I might need. I don't
know the product key number either. LOL! I don't know if Narrator
will walk me through all the steps or not though. I don't know if
this was a good idea buying this Laptop either. Thank you anyway. I
greatly appreciate it.

Janet
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Marten Post Uiterweer
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 5:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Janet" ,

You can cturn on Narrator with ctrl-win-enter, but I am not sure with
wat screen the Lenovo will start.

You can try to start the laptop and after a while press this shortkey.

It can also be, that the laptop will ask to install windows and in
this case I am not sure if Narrator is working.

Regards, Marten


On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 22:59:39 +0000 "Janet" <janet.harvard@outlook.com>
wrote:

Hi Everyone,
Well, I thought I wasn't going to receive my new Lenovo IdeaPad until
Jan 06-2021, but I just received it, and I don't know what to do with it
now!
LOL! I do know it might take me sometime to learn the keys, as some
of them are long and some of them are wide, and the keys are a little
larger than what I am used to. The keys are also close to each
other. Any suggestions how to get started with this, meaning I need
some speech, or there isn't any point in me even turning it on! LOL!
Someone mentioned to turn on Narrator, but I don't remember how to turn
it on.

Janet

Peace Be With You.








































--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762











--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Carolyn Arnold
 

Windows came with my desktop. It had Windows 8 on it. Jim ran all the updates on it (131 of them), skipped 8.1, and installed 10. I knew that was why I got such a good buy on it; it had been in stock for a while.

We got his Gateway in late 2014 for $299. It is still going.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Best buy lied. When you buy a windows computer normally in stores windows is already installed. Also for the last few years when using a laptop most of the time I use a wireless keyboard. I like having access to the applications key, and keyboard choice is just really nice.

On 12/26/20, Janet <janet.harvard@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi Gene,
Best Buy told me they have to always install Windows, as it is not
installed until a customer buys one.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Computer manufacturers sell computers with Windows installed. You can
buy computers with no operating system installed, but those are
specialized items and are not what you will get buying computers made
for the general consumer.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Hi Monte,
I was told Windows 10 was installed, but when I was doing some
research online, I just happened to come across some reviews, and
answers and questions, so, I also saw directions how to install
Windows 10 on the Laptop

I just bought, and I thought to myself, oh my goodness, I have to
install Windows ten too! LOL! I'm really not sure though if Windows
is actually installed or not though, but because I don't like that
keyboard, I will just

take it back to Best Buy. I will try and buy another Laptop, and this
time,

I will be fore sure if Windows is installed or not. I do remember
when I bought my last two Desktops, Windows 7 was not installed
though. I had to pay someone to come over and install it for me.
Matter of fact, I'll never

forget when I bought my very first Desktop, in which was from Best
Buy, but

low in behold, when they downloaded Windows XP, they actually
downloaded a virus on my Desktop though, so then because I had just
bought it, and had no

internet service at home as of yet, they gave me another Desktop.

Janet
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of

Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:26 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Absolutely, I am sure win 10 is already installed. I have never
heard of a brand name pc being sold without an operating system being
already installed.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Marie
Sent: December 26, 2020 10:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Janet,
Power the laptop up and wait a minute for the booth process to begin.
Then press the ctrl Plus Windows key plus enter and soon Narrator will
begin talking.
I am quite sure that Windows 10 is on the machine and if you take your
time and listen to the prompts, you can get it set up. Many of us have
done it before you.
I also believe that the Office suite is a thirty day trial unless you
paid extra to have the package.
The important thing is not to let it intimidate you. LOL!


-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 6:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

HI Marten,
Thank you for this, but I don't even know if Windows 10 is already
installed, although, I don't think so. The person who helped me
online with this, said Windows is already installed. I don't know the
Lenovo key on the keyboard in which I think I might need. I don't
know the product key number either. LOL! I don't know if Narrator
will walk me through all the steps or not though. I don't know if
this was a good idea buying this Laptop either. Thank you anyway. I
greatly appreciate it.

Janet
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Marten Post Uiterweer
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 5:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Janet" ,

You can cturn on Narrator with ctrl-win-enter, but I am not sure with
wat screen the Lenovo will start.

You can try to start the laptop and after a while press this shortkey.

It can also be, that the laptop will ask to install windows and in
this case I am not sure if Narrator is working.

Regards, Marten


On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 22:59:39 +0000 "Janet" <janet.harvard@outlook.com>
wrote:

Hi Everyone,
Well, I thought I wasn't going to receive my new Lenovo IdeaPad until
Jan 06-2021, but I just received it, and I don't know what to do with it now!
LOL! I do know it might take me sometime to learn the keys, as some
of them are long and some of them are wide, and the keys are a little
larger than what I am used to. The keys are also close to each
other. Any suggestions how to get started with this, meaning I need
some speech, or there isn't any point in me even turning it on! LOL!
Someone mentioned to turn on Narrator, but I don't remember how to turn it on.

Janet

Peace Be With You.








































--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: Lenovo Laptops.

Carolyn Arnold
 

Janet, I got my Lenovo desktop for something like $450, could have been $449.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene,
Yes, I do find this very useful. I was wondering if all or most Laptops have pretty much the same keyboard layout. I will have to give this some serious thought now. I don't know if I could get used to the keyboard on this Lenovo, but maybe if I tried a little more, but it is completely different from any other keyboard I've ever used, but then again, I've always used desktops, and that is what I'm used to. So, I either buy a desktop, or try to get used to Laptop keyboards. I do definitely want a Laptop though. So this gives me something to think about. I will keep the comments from this email though.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

These comments are long, but you may find them useful and if they encourage further discussion, you may find that useful as well.

The following comments may help you approach deciding what laptop to buy or such questions as whether you want to use an external keyboard. I haven't used a variety of laptops. My comments are intended to stir helpful discussion. While I have given you my impression regarding laptop keyboards, they are my impression and are not based on looking at a variety.

You might consider Computers For the Blind, as I said, if money is tight. I believe you use a computer for typical things, browsing, e-mail, streaming music. If money isn't tight or you just want a better computer, you may not want to. But 150 dollars for a refurbished laptop that is already configured, not that you couldn't do it yourself, a free year of JAWS, which may or may not matter if you already have JAWS, and NVDA included may make more sense. I haven't gotten a machine from them, but I've heard good things from those who have.

If you ask here, you may get comments from a number of people about whether the machines satisfy users, have good keyboards, and other ;possible questions you have. There is a real difference between five hundred dollars and 150 dollars.

Regarding keyboards, I'm not sure what choices you have on laptops. My laptop has square keys that are much larger than the keys on a mechanical external keyboard. The feel of depression is different as well. The question of keyboards would be something to discuss here. I hope others comment on such questions as:
Can you find mechanical or small key keyboards in laptops? Are you willing to use an external keyboard? My guess is that you are used to external mechanical keyboards, not membrane keyboards. Although I haven't looked into this, my guess is that most perhaps almost all laptop keyboards are membrane and membrane keyboards have a different tension and feel than a mechanical keyboard.

As far as keys being of different shapes, I'm not sure what you are referring to but laptop keyboards often have keys like home and end in different places than external keyboards. They are often differently shaped from the letter and number keys as well.
Once I got used to where the home and end keys are on my keyboard, I don't object to them and find them as easy to use as the traditional home and end keys. It may be just a case of you getting used to a laptop computer keyboard. That may be easier for some people than for others.

If you use your computer mainly at home, you may want to get a mechanical external keyboard if that is what you are used to, and it probably is.

Many people use a laptop computer for mostly home use.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 8:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene and All,
I've been doing quite a bit of research on the Lenovo IdeaPad in which I recently bought. I don't particularly like the keyboard, as the keys are to flat and to large, and different shapes, and when I press a key, the key goes down into the keyboard. I also read quite a bit about how long the Lenovo Laptops last, and according to what I have been reading, they only will last two years. LOL! I paid $499, so I would like it to last a little longer, but with this particular Laptop, according to the reviews I've read, this isn't going to last long. I also read this Lenovo does overheat quite often, not sure if it is because of the Intel Processor or what. I am going to take it back to Best Buy Monday, and try to get one without the num pad, as I know Best Buy don't have Laptops with the Num Pad in their stores.
Thank you all so much for all your help, as it is greatly appreciated.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

To clarify, I'm saying that I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss the chip speed and cache that would be the best buy for the money for a typical user. If you get too underpowered or undercached a chip, you likely won't be satisfied. I'm also saying that differences in brands, which chips offer faster performance and more cache, for example for the price, and which operate more cooly, if that matters, are things I don't have the knowledge to discuss along with the best specifications per brand.

It is my impression that this or that brand may have a slower chip speed, but that other technical differences may provide faster performance than a different brand with the same chip speed.. And how much such differences matter for the typical user in terms of performance per price is something I don't know.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

There are objective differences in brands and models of chips. Whether and to what extent they matter to the typical user, I don't know and I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss but there are objective differences.
it isn't just a matter of taste.


Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.



Hi Pam,



Computer brands, models, processors, speakers, it is mostly a matter of what
we are used to and what we can afford.

You know, I’m a chev guy,

I’m a Wrangler Woman,

I choose pepsi,

Coke rocks

And we won’t bother with the pizza or burgers.



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez
Sent: December 26, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







My first windows computer was a Gateway 2000 tower with an AMD processor
that I got back in 2000. I was told, even back then, that AMD processors
were better. Pam.







From: Monte Single



Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 8:16 AM



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







Hi Josh,

I am not familiar with the current line of a m d processors, but they were
all I used till a few years ago.My impression is that a m d processors are
now a better choice, dollar for dollar, than an intel.



Of course some will disagree.



It sounds like a great machine unless you intend to do serious gaming and
video editing.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: December 25, 2020 6:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.





speaking of LENOVO laptops, I am thinking of getting the following laptop. A
LENOVO, with 256 GB solid-state NVME Drive., and I'm sorry if I posted this
before I don't remember if I did, I amD RYZEN5 processor, eight gigs of RAM,
with this configuration of computer work good with JAWS?












This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software.
www.avg.com


Re: New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Carolyn Arnold
 

I would not get a laptop, if I had to use another keyboard, don't have one for my iPhone, wouldn't have one for it. That just makes for too clumsy maneuvering in my opinion.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Hi,
May I ask you why you say you don't like Laptop keyboards? I've never used a Laptop before, and I don't know very much about them, so if you would please shed some light on the factors of Laptop keyboards, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thank you.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Catherine Clegg
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:19 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

I hate laptop keyboards so I always buy an external one
On Dec 26, 2020, at 10:13 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@outlook.com> wrote:

Hi Marie,
Don't let it intimidate me, laughing, so you made my day! I was pretty close to letting it intimidate me! Laughing! I can't stand the keyboard though, so I haven't even turned it on. As far as the MS, I think that was a 6 month trial though, but I don't want MS, but I'm just not for sure if I will need MS or not, but I'll see. I will see what I can find at Best Buy Monday when I take back the Laptop I just bought.
Thank you so much!
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Janet,
Power the laptop up and wait a minute for the booth process to begin.
Then press the ctrl Plus Windows key plus enter and soon Narrator will
begin talking.
I am quite sure that Windows 10 is on the machine and if you take your
time and listen to the prompts, you can get it set up. Many of us have
done it before you.
I also believe that the Office suite is a thirty day trial unless you
paid extra to have the package.
The important thing is not to let it intimidate you. LOL!


-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 6:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

HI Marten,
Thank you for this, but I don't even know if Windows 10 is already
installed, although, I don't think so. The person who helped me
online with this, said Windows is already installed. I don't know the
Lenovo key on the keyboard in which I think I might need. I don't
know the product key number either. LOL! I don't know if Narrator
will walk me through all the steps or not though. I don't know if
this was a good idea buying this Laptop either. Thank you anyway. I greatly appreciate it.

Janet
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Marten Post Uiterweer
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 5:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Janet" ,

You can cturn on Narrator with ctrl-win-enter, but I am not sure with
wat screen the Lenovo will start.

You can try to start the laptop and after a while press this shortkey.

It can also be, that the laptop will ask to install windows and in
this case I am not sure if Narrator is working.

Regards, Marten


On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 22:59:39 +0000 "Janet"
<janet.harvard@outlook.com>
wrote:

Hi Everyone,
Well, I thought I wasn't going to receive my new Lenovo IdeaPad until
Jan 06-2021, but I just received it, and I don't know what to do with it now!
LOL! I do know it might take me sometime to learn the keys, as some
of them are long and some of them are wide, and the keys are a little
larger than what I am used to. The keys are also close to each
other. Any suggestions how to get started with this, meaning I need
some speech, or there isn't any point in me even turning it on! LOL!
Someone mentioned to turn on Narrator, but I don't remember how to turn it on.

Janet

Peace Be With You.

























Re: Lenovo Laptops.

Carolyn Arnold
 

As for keyboards, I usually get what I can get for $15. I tend to wear the print off the keys in a year. That is not a problem for me, but it is for my husband, especially when entering a password.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

These comments are long, but you may find them useful and if they encourage further discussion, you may find that useful as well.

The following comments may help you approach deciding what laptop to buy or such questions as whether you want to use an external keyboard. I haven't used a variety of laptops. My comments are intended to stir helpful discussion. While I have given you my impression regarding laptop keyboards, they are my impression and are not based on looking at a variety.

You might consider Computers For the Blind, as I said, if money is tight. I believe you use a computer for typical things, browsing, e-mail, streaming music. If money isn't tight or you just want a better computer, you may not want to. But 150 dollars for a refurbished laptop that is already configured, not that you couldn't do it yourself, a free year of JAWS, which may or may not matter if you already have JAWS, and NVDA included may make more sense. I haven't gotten a machine from them, but I've heard good things from those who have.

If you ask here, you may get comments from a number of people about whether the machines satisfy users, have good keyboards, and other ;possible questions you have. There is a real difference between five hundred dollars and 150 dollars.

Regarding keyboards, I'm not sure what choices you have on laptops. My laptop has square keys that are much larger than the keys on a mechanical external keyboard. The feel of depression is different as well. The question of keyboards would be something to discuss here. I hope others comment on such questions as:
Can you find mechanical or small key keyboards in laptops? Are you willing to use an external keyboard? My guess is that you are used to external mechanical keyboards, not membrane keyboards. Although I haven't looked into this, my guess is that most perhaps almost all laptop keyboards are membrane and membrane keyboards have a different tension and feel than a mechanical keyboard.

As far as keys being of different shapes, I'm not sure what you are referring to but laptop keyboards often have keys like home and end in different places than external keyboards. They are often differently shaped from the letter and number keys as well.
Once I got used to where the home and end keys are on my keyboard, I don't object to them and find them as easy to use as the traditional home and end keys. It may be just a case of you getting used to a laptop computer keyboard. That may be easier for some people than for others.

If you use your computer mainly at home, you may want to get a mechanical external keyboard if that is what you are used to, and it probably is.

Many people use a laptop computer for mostly home use.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 8:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene and All,
I've been doing quite a bit of research on the Lenovo IdeaPad in which I recently bought. I don't particularly like the keyboard, as the keys are to flat and to large, and different shapes, and when I press a key, the key goes down into the keyboard. I also read quite a bit about how long the Lenovo Laptops last, and according to what I have been reading, they only will last two years. LOL! I paid $499, so I would like it to last a little longer, but with this particular Laptop, according to the reviews I've read, this isn't going to last long. I also read this Lenovo does overheat quite often, not sure if it is because of the Intel Processor or what. I am going to take it back to Best Buy Monday, and try to get one without the num pad, as I know Best Buy don't have Laptops with the Num Pad in their stores.
Thank you all so much for all your help, as it is greatly appreciated.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

To clarify, I'm saying that I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss the chip speed and cache that would be the best buy for the money for a typical user. If you get too underpowered or undercached a chip, you likely won't be satisfied. I'm also saying that differences in brands, which chips offer faster performance and more cache, for example for the price, and which operate more cooly, if that matters, are things I don't have the knowledge to discuss along with the best specifications per brand.

It is my impression that this or that brand may have a slower chip speed, but that other technical differences may provide faster performance than a different brand with the same chip speed.. And how much such differences matter for the typical user in terms of performance per price is something I don't know.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

There are objective differences in brands and models of chips. Whether and to what extent they matter to the typical user, I don't know and I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss but there are objective differences.
it isn't just a matter of taste.


Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.



Hi Pam,



Computer brands, models, processors, speakers, it is mostly a matter of what
we are used to and what we can afford.

You know, I’m a chev guy,

I’m a Wrangler Woman,

I choose pepsi,

Coke rocks

And we won’t bother with the pizza or burgers.



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez
Sent: December 26, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







My first windows computer was a Gateway 2000 tower with an AMD processor
that I got back in 2000. I was told, even back then, that AMD processors
were better. Pam.







From: Monte Single



Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 8:16 AM



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







Hi Josh,

I am not familiar with the current line of a m d processors, but they were
all I used till a few years ago.My impression is that a m d processors are
now a better choice, dollar for dollar, than an intel.



Of course some will disagree.



It sounds like a great machine unless you intend to do serious gaming and
video editing.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: December 25, 2020 6:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.





speaking of LENOVO laptops, I am thinking of getting the following laptop. A
LENOVO, with 256 GB solid-state NVME Drive., and I'm sorry if I posted this
before I don't remember if I did, I amD RYZEN5 processor, eight gigs of RAM,
with this configuration of computer work good with JAWS?












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Re: Lenovo Laptops.

Carolyn Arnold
 

Mine has an Intel processor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Wow! I got my thinkpad around the time when windows ten first came out. I think that was summer of 2015. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene and All,
I've been doing quite a bit of research on the Lenovo IdeaPad in which I recently bought. I don't particularly like the keyboard, as the keys are to flat and to large, and different shapes, and when I press a key, the key goes down into the keyboard. I also read quite a bit about how long the Lenovo Laptops last, and according to what I have been reading, they only will last two years. LOL! I paid $499, so I would like it to last a little longer, but with this particular Laptop, according to the reviews I've read, this isn't going to last long. I also read this Lenovo does overheat quite often, not sure if it is because of the Intel Processor or what. I am going to take it back to Best Buy Monday, and try to get one without the num pad, as I know Best Buy don't have Laptops with the Num Pad in their stores.
Thank you all so much for all your help, as it is greatly appreciated.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

To clarify, I'm saying that I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss the chip speed and cache that would be the best buy for the money for a typical user. If you get too underpowered or undercached a chip, you likely won't be satisfied. I'm also saying that differences in brands, which chips offer faster performance and more cache, for example for the price, and which operate more cooly, if that matters, are things I don't have the knowledge to discuss along with the best specifications per brand.

It is my impression that this or that brand may have a slower chip speed, but that other technical differences may provide faster performance than a different brand with the same chip speed.. And how much such differences matter for the typical user in terms of performance per price is something I don't know.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

There are objective differences in brands and models of chips. Whether and to what extent they matter to the typical user, I don't know and I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss but there are objective differences.
it isn't just a matter of taste.


Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.



Hi Pam,



Computer brands, models, processors, speakers, it is mostly a matter of what
we are used to and what we can afford.

You know, I’m a chev guy,

I’m a Wrangler Woman,

I choose pepsi,

Coke rocks

And we won’t bother with the pizza or burgers.



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez
Sent: December 26, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







My first windows computer was a Gateway 2000 tower with an AMD processor
that I got back in 2000. I was told, even back then, that AMD processors
were better. Pam.







From: Monte Single



Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 8:16 AM



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







Hi Josh,

I am not familiar with the current line of a m d processors, but they were
all I used till a few years ago.My impression is that a m d processors are
now a better choice, dollar for dollar, than an intel.



Of course some will disagree.



It sounds like a great machine unless you intend to do serious gaming and
video editing.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: December 25, 2020 6:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.





speaking of LENOVO laptops, I am thinking of getting the following laptop. A
LENOVO, with 256 GB solid-state NVME Drive., and I'm sorry if I posted this
before I don't remember if I did, I amD RYZEN5 processor, eight gigs of RAM,
with this configuration of computer work good with JAWS?












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Re: Lenovo Laptops.

Carolyn Arnold
 

Wow, how terrible to have to give up the num pad. My Lenovo desktop has laster for over five years. I got almost ten years out of my last Dell.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene and All,
I've been doing quite a bit of research on the Lenovo IdeaPad in which I recently bought. I don't particularly like the keyboard, as the keys are to flat and to large, and different shapes, and when I press a key, the key goes down into the keyboard. I also read quite a bit about how long the Lenovo Laptops last, and according to what I have been reading, they only will last two years. LOL! I paid $499, so I would like it to last a little longer, but with this particular Laptop, according to the reviews I've read, this isn't going to last long. I also read this Lenovo does overheat quite often, not sure if it is because of the Intel Processor or what. I am going to take it back to Best Buy Monday, and try to get one without the num pad, as I know Best Buy don't have Laptops with the Num Pad in their stores.
Thank you all so much for all your help, as it is greatly appreciated.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

To clarify, I'm saying that I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss the chip speed and cache that would be the best buy for the money for a typical user. If you get too underpowered or undercached a chip, you likely won't be satisfied. I'm also saying that differences in brands, which chips offer faster performance and more cache, for example for the price, and which operate more cooly, if that matters, are things I don't have the knowledge to discuss along with the best specifications per brand.

It is my impression that this or that brand may have a slower chip speed, but that other technical differences may provide faster performance than a different brand with the same chip speed.. And how much such differences matter for the typical user in terms of performance per price is something I don't know.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

There are objective differences in brands and models of chips. Whether and to what extent they matter to the typical user, I don't know and I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss but there are objective differences.
it isn't just a matter of taste.


Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.



Hi Pam,



Computer brands, models, processors, speakers, it is mostly a matter of what
we are used to and what we can afford.

You know, I’m a chev guy,

I’m a Wrangler Woman,

I choose pepsi,

Coke rocks

And we won’t bother with the pizza or burgers.



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez
Sent: December 26, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







My first windows computer was a Gateway 2000 tower with an AMD processor
that I got back in 2000. I was told, even back then, that AMD processors
were better. Pam.







From: Monte Single



Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 8:16 AM



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







Hi Josh,

I am not familiar with the current line of a m d processors, but they were
all I used till a few years ago.My impression is that a m d processors are
now a better choice, dollar for dollar, than an intel.



Of course some will disagree.



It sounds like a great machine unless you intend to do serious gaming and
video editing.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: December 25, 2020 6:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.





speaking of LENOVO laptops, I am thinking of getting the following laptop. A
LENOVO, with 256 GB solid-state NVME Drive., and I'm sorry if I posted this
before I don't remember if I did, I amD RYZEN5 processor, eight gigs of RAM,
with this configuration of computer work good with JAWS?












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Re: USB round speaker

Monte Single
 

Hi,

 

If we knew what brand and model of speaker you have,  a full answer would be possible.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via groups.io
Sent: December 27, 2020 1:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] USB round speaker

 

some speakers dont come with that oxillary port

u can check for it on the speaker itself, if you dont find one, it means the device did not come with one

like regular USB  speakers for example JBL blutooth speakers dont come with those ports

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 2:16 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] USB round speaker

 

Hello all

Sometime ago, I baught a flat USB speaker, and it was about the sise and shape of a small transister radio.  The only way I could work it easilly, I found what we used to call an eighth inch jack where I could plug in a headphone, or in my case, a speaker wire that then went to my streem or my computer.  This year, my sister baught me a larger USB speaker.  This one is round and has a USB cord to plug in to the computer, but I can't seem to find the smaller round whole where I could plug in my other cord.  When I used the other cord, I didn't have to go through the headake of pairing.  Now it is common for people to use these speakers paired to their phone, but I just used it for better sound. 

Does anyone know how I might use this new speaker without pairing it, as I'm not very technicle that way?

David


Re: USB round speaker

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

some speakers dont come with that oxillary port
u can check for it on the speaker itself, if you dont find one, it means the device did not come with one
like regular USB  speakers for example JBL blutooth speakers dont come with those ports
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 2:16 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] USB round speaker

Hello all

Sometime ago, I baught a flat USB speaker, and it was about the sise and shape of a small transister radio.  The only way I could work it easilly, I found what we used to call an eighth inch jack where I could plug in a headphone, or in my case, a speaker wire that then went to my streem or my computer.  This year, my sister baught me a larger USB speaker.  This one is round and has a USB cord to plug in to the computer, but I can't seem to find the smaller round whole where I could plug in my other cord.  When I used the other cord, I didn't have to go through the headake of pairing.  Now it is common for people to use these speakers paired to their phone, but I just used it for better sound. 

Does anyone know how I might use this new speaker without pairing it, as I'm not very technicle that way?

David


Re: Lenovo Laptops.

Pamela Dominguez
 

As far as I know, all keyboards have some keys of different sizes and/or maybe even shapes. The keys press down a little. But something happened to the keyboard on this laptop so that I can't use stuff like the alt key, and I can't adjust the volume unless I do it the hard way by going into the volume control and changing it that way. It got fixed by somebody once, and then it apparently did it again. So, I just hook up keyboards. But I was irritated when I wanted to use it somewhere by itself. I didn't even know the problem had happened again until I opened it up without the external keyboard and discovered that. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Pam,
This is good to hear that you had the ThinkPad for that long, as this is encouraging to know. Lenovo has several different Laptops. I think they brought out what they call budget Laptops a few years ago, and I think one of them is the one I bought. I still say, you have a nice and powerful Laptop, but yours is a ThinkPad, and the one I bought is a IdeaPad so I think that is what the difference is between yours and mine. take care of your ThinkPad! Smile! Can I ask you are the keys on the keyboard large and some small, and different shapes? Do the keys press down into the keyboard when you press a key?

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 8:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Wow! I got my thinkpad around the time when windows ten first came out. I
think that was summer of 2015. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Gene and All,
I've been doing quite a bit of research on the Lenovo IdeaPad in which I
recently bought. I don't particularly like the keyboard, as the keys are to
flat and to large, and different shapes, and when I press a key, the key
goes down into the keyboard. I also read quite a bit about how long the
Lenovo Laptops last, and according to what I have been reading, they only
will last two years. LOL! I paid $499, so I would like it to last a little
longer, but with this particular Laptop, according to the reviews I've
read, this isn't going to last long. I also read this Lenovo does overheat
quite often, not sure if it is because of the Intel Processor or what. I am
going to take it back to Best Buy Monday, and try to get one without the num
pad, as I know Best Buy don't have Laptops with the Num Pad in their stores.
Thank you all so much for all your help, as it is greatly appreciated.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

To clarify, I'm saying that I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss
the chip speed and cache that would be the best buy for the money for a
typical user. If you get too underpowered or undercached a chip, you likely
won't be satisfied. I'm also saying that differences in brands, which chips
offer faster performance and more cache, for example for the price, and
which operate more cooly, if that matters, are things I don't have the
knowledge to discuss along with the best specifications per brand.

It is my impression that this or that brand may have a slower chip speed,
but that other technical differences may provide faster performance than a
different brand with the same chip speed.. And how much such differences
matter for the typical user in terms of performance per price is something I
don't know.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

There are objective differences in brands and models of chips. Whether and
to what extent they matter to the typical user, I don't know and I don't
have the technical knowledge to discuss but there are objective differences.
it isn't just a matter of taste.


Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.



Hi Pam,



Computer brands, models, processors, speakers, it is mostly a matter of what
we are used to and what we can afford.

You know, I’m a chev guy,

I’m a Wrangler Woman,

I choose pepsi,

Coke rocks

And we won’t bother with the pizza or burgers.



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez
Sent: December 26, 2020 9:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







My first windows computer was a Gateway 2000 tower with an AMD processor
that I got back in 2000. I was told, even back then, that AMD processors
were better. Pam.







From: Monte Single



Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 8:16 AM



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.







Hi Josh,

I am not familiar with the current line of a m d processors, but they were
all I used till a few years ago.My impression is that a m d processors are
now a better choice, dollar for dollar, than an intel.



Of course some will disagree.



It sounds like a great machine unless you intend to do serious gaming and
video editing.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: December 25, 2020 6:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.





speaking of LENOVO laptops, I am thinking of getting the following laptop. A
LENOVO, with 256 GB solid-state NVME Drive., and I'm sorry if I posted this
before I don't remember if I did, I amD RYZEN5 processor, eight gigs of RAM,
with this configuration of computer work good with JAWS?












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