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Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Gene
 

I see you sent the same information I did except for this one thing. What happens when you just shift tab, not tab once, then shift tab?
. I found while experimenting a little while ago, that unless I tab once first before shift tabbing. I am sent to the bottom of the message and I move backwards by llink. If I tab once before shift tabbing this doesn't happen.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365



When I wanted to reply to the sender of a Groups.io message in Thunderbird I would shift-tab into the message headers until focus moves to the sender's email address. Next, I would press the Applications key and an option for composing mail to that sender appears in the menu.




David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 8/27/2020 5:58 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
And in Thunderbird 68.12.0 (32-bit), every blessed group I'm subscribed to, if I hit the Reply Button or CTRL+R for one of those messages, puts the group posting addressin the To for that reply.

What's even more interesting, to me anyway, is that the From: field on every blessed one of these messages contains the actual e-mail address of its sender. So Thunderbird is honoring the Reply-To in the message header. I can't get it to place the sender's address in the To on a reply for love nor money, and CTRL+R certainly doesn't put it there.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Browser Help Please.

Gene
 

I don't know why it does that. Try using the start menu search, find Brave, open it and see what happens. It sounds to me as though the short cut is leading to the wrong place.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 4:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Hi Gene and All,
Ok, I finally downloaded the Brave Browser, and I restarted my computer, and then I had an update from JAWS, and had to restart again, so, I finally got to try to use Brave. I do have the Brave icon on my desktop, but when I enter on Brave, it seems to take me to my download folder as that is where I download files to, instead of Brave connecting to my internet. How can I get Brave to connect to my internet, so if I want to browse the internet? I can't find where to tell Brave where to download my files either. Any suggestions?

Thank you.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

If all you want to do is browse and not modify other behavior, that's it.
You may want to change the download location of files or cause the ask where
to save files dialog to come up when you save a file. I'd have to look to
see where those settings are if you have problems finding them.

But if you generally don't change settings in browsers, there is nothing you
need to change in Brave.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Hi Gene and All,
I'm sorry for my late reply, as I was called away from my PC as soon as I
sent the message out to the list, but I am back now. I thank all those who
might have sent me a reply. Gene, I just downloaded the Brave Browser, and
I am currently in the settings options, and I did select the option to make
Brave Browser as my default. Do I need to select any other settings while
I'm in the settings options?
Thank you all for any help in this.
Janet
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 6:56 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Browsing is browsing with any browser that supports the virtual pc cursor or
browse mode, whatever your screen-reader calls it. Firefox, Chrome, and The
Brave browser all support The Virtual PC Cursor or Browse mode. that's the
same thing that you have been using in Internet Explorer. Its unfortunate
that so many people have needless fear and use an increasingly oudated
browser. Use control l instead of control o to move to the address bar,
where you type an address.
Book marks are gotten to a little differently than in Internet Explorer.
I'll send more information about an easy way to work with them in another
message. I sent such a message earlier to another list. Others will, I
hope, tell you more about im;portting book marks. but with either browser,
you will see that navigating web pages is just about identical to doing so
in Internet Explorer. A page may display something a little differently,
for example, a button or link may show different words. On one site I've
worked with to upload files, the button may say something like browse with
one browser and select a file with another browser. Sometimes, different
browsers see different parts of code on web pages.

As far as which browser to use between the Brave browser and Google Chrome,
if you want to use a browser that takes what I consider an ethical stance
towards advertisements on web sites, the Brave browser does. I'll provide a
link to the page where you can read about it and download it.

Aside from its policies on advertising by web sites, the browser itself is
very similar to the Chrome browser, it is based on Chrome.

You will get faster loading of web sites because a lot of commercials are
blocked and its safer because, at times advertising is hacked and hackers
try to download malware through hacked advertising.
https://brave.com/

Gene

----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 6:05 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I have been having a problem trying to get to any web site do to my IE
browser, so I am finally getting around to it. I can't access half of the
web sites I want to. I have received many messages when I try to get to a
web site, I keep getting the message saying I need to update my browser, or
a message telling me I am using an outdated browser. I am using the latest
IE as my browser along with Windows 7. I have this same problem regardless
which web site I go to. Can someone tell me a little about Brave and Chrome
browsers, as I have always just used IE, but now, IE is almost disabled!
Can someone also please give me a web site to download either browser, as I
am in need for a update browser as soon as possible. Is either of these
browsers difficult to be configured, if so, can someone please tell me what
I need to do?

Thank you all in advance.
Janet
Peace Be With You.


Re: Browser Help Please.

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I can't tell you how to make Brave open normally since I've never seen it open abnormally.  I'd suggest nuking that desktop icon and putting a new one on the desktop via the method of your choosing.

In Brave Settings, invoked via ALT+F,S, you need to navigate to the Downloads part of Advanced settings and tweak download location, and whether you're asked each time you download or not, there.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Listing the contents of a CD or DVD

Gene
 

There very likely is. But until you find one, see if holding the left shift down when you close the door and for ;perhaps twenty seconds stops this behavior. It used to but I haven't tried it in newer versions of Windows.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 4:38 PM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] Listing the contents of a CD or DVD

When I insert a disk into the CD/DVD drive, Windows 10 either runs an
associated program or (if one exists on the disk) starts the install
program. I'd just like to open and read what's in the directory. Is
there a setting to change to make that happen.

Thanks, anyone.

Howard


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Gene
 

It would be interesting to see if others, still using 68.x have the same behavior as I do

I found something interesting in Thunderbird. One way to send a message to the sender is the following:
Open the message.
Tab once.
Start shift tabbing. After a number of shift tabs, you will get to the name and address of the sender.
Open the context menu. One of the items is copy name and address to the clipboard.
Press enter. Now, start a new message and paste the name and address into the clipboard. That method is faster than the one I discussed before. It isn't that efficient, but it isn't bad.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 4:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

I'm using TB 78.2. As another user reported the option to reply to
sender is placing the list address in the to: field.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/27/2020 3:18 PM, Gene wrote:
When I tested reply to sender earlier today with Thunderbird, it inserted the sender's address. I don't know why you got a different result. While I doubt this is the case, if you are using a more current version than I am, the function of the setting may have changed. I have 68.x on my machine. Its unlikely this feature would have been changed but you never know.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365



Well, I guess i was wrong on that again, i'll shut up and go hide in my little whole again. :smile:

TB does indeed have the reply to sender option but it inserts the list address. For some reason i thought earlier that it worked as i said it did. It should be possible to make it do so by using the correct email headers but that's a groups.io issue and not ms.

Just for the record, i still think ms should quit making email clients.




Thanks.







On 8/27/2020 2:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 02:43 PM, Norman wrote:
I declare if we all used tb the world would be a better place. Seems to me that there would have to be a reply to sender option somewhere in outlook/win mail, but i guess i could be wrong about the ability for ms programers to think clearly anymore.-
This has nothing to do with Microsoft. The way groups.io sends out messages, by design, is such that the reply-to address is for the group. You would never want the sender's address to be the default on a mailing list, or traffic would end up being diverted off-list almost constantly. If you show the entire original message you can find the original sender's address, but it's not in Reply-To.

This isn't limited to groups.io groups, either. Freelists.org and others use precisely the same mechanism. Replies using reply or reply all generally default to list, not sender.


Re: Browser Help Please.

Janet
 

Hi All,
I do intend to buy a new Windows 10 laptop. I don't intend on keeping my Windows 7 when I finally get my new Windows 10 laptop for very long, maybe I might keep Windows 7 just until I get used to Windows 10, in which I am hoping that will not take very long.
Good advice from Brian and Gene though.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

But if someone is getting a separate Windows 10 machine, I disagree that you
should upgrade the Windows 7 machine unless you intend to use it regularly.
If you intend to keep it as a backup machine, I think Windows 7 should be
kept on it. Microsoft has had enough problems with its full upgrades
recently that I want a system that is reliable and that won't be upgraded if
I have to use it as a backup. Assumedly, using it as a backup would be for
short periods if something goes wrong with the Windows 10 machine.

I wouldn't use it in circumstances where I have to give personal
information.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Janet,

As far as I know, default app setting on Windows 7 works as it
always did, and it's way less strict about checking changes when programs
try to make them, which has caused enough problems that things were
tightened up later.

I would strongly encourage you to do a no-cost in-place upgrade
to Windows 10 at your earliest possible convenience, after having backed up
your system first. These instructions apply to an in-place upgrade, too,
and I mention that in the instructions themselves: Doing a Windows 10
Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file



--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely
fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

When I wanted to reply to the sender of a Groups.io message in Thunderbird I would shift-tab into the message headers until focus moves to the sender's email address. Next, I would press the Applications key and an option for composing mail to that sender appears in the menu.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 8/27/2020 5:58 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

And in Thunderbird 68.12.0 (32-bit), every blessed group I'm subscribed to, if I hit the Reply Button or CTRL+R for one of those messages, puts the group posting addressin the To for that reply.

What's even more interesting, to me anyway, is that the From: field on every blessed one of these messages contains the actual e-mail address of its sender.  So Thunderbird is honoring the Reply-To in the message header.  I can't get it to place the sender's address in the To on a reply for love nor money, and CTRL+R certainly doesn't put it there.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

And in Thunderbird 68.12.0 (32-bit), every blessed group I'm subscribed to, if I hit the Reply Button or CTRL+R for one of those messages, puts the group posting addressin the To for that reply.

What's even more interesting, to me anyway, is that the From: field on every blessed one of these messages contains the actual e-mail address of its sender.  So Thunderbird is honoring the Reply-To in the message header.  I can't get it to place the sender's address in the To on a reply for love nor money, and CTRL+R certainly doesn't put it there.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Browser Help Please.

Janet
 

Hi Gene and All,
Ok, I finally downloaded the Brave Browser, and I restarted my computer, and then I had an update from JAWS, and had to restart again, so, I finally got to try to use Brave. I do have the Brave icon on my desktop, but when I enter on Brave, it seems to take me to my download folder as that is where I download files to, instead of Brave connecting to my internet. How can I get Brave to connect to my internet, so if I want to browse the internet? I can't find where to tell Brave where to download my files either. Any suggestions?

Thank you.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

If all you want to do is browse and not modify other behavior, that's it.
You may want to change the download location of files or cause the ask where
to save files dialog to come up when you save a file. I'd have to look to
see where those settings are if you have problems finding them.

But if you generally don't change settings in browsers, there is nothing you
need to change in Brave.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Hi Gene and All,
I'm sorry for my late reply, as I was called away from my PC as soon as I
sent the message out to the list, but I am back now. I thank all those who
might have sent me a reply. Gene, I just downloaded the Brave Browser, and
I am currently in the settings options, and I did select the option to make
Brave Browser as my default. Do I need to select any other settings while
I'm in the settings options?
Thank you all for any help in this.
Janet
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 6:56 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Browsing is browsing with any browser that supports the virtual pc cursor or
browse mode, whatever your screen-reader calls it. Firefox, Chrome, and The
Brave browser all support The Virtual PC Cursor or Browse mode. that's the
same thing that you have been using in Internet Explorer. Its unfortunate
that so many people have needless fear and use an increasingly oudated
browser. Use control l instead of control o to move to the address bar,
where you type an address.
Book marks are gotten to a little differently than in Internet Explorer.
I'll send more information about an easy way to work with them in another
message. I sent such a message earlier to another list. Others will, I
hope, tell you more about im;portting book marks. but with either browser,
you will see that navigating web pages is just about identical to doing so
in Internet Explorer. A page may display something a little differently,
for example, a button or link may show different words. On one site I've
worked with to upload files, the button may say something like browse with
one browser and select a file with another browser. Sometimes, different
browsers see different parts of code on web pages.

As far as which browser to use between the Brave browser and Google Chrome,
if you want to use a browser that takes what I consider an ethical stance
towards advertisements on web sites, the Brave browser does. I'll provide a
link to the page where you can read about it and download it.

Aside from its policies on advertising by web sites, the browser itself is
very similar to the Chrome browser, it is based on Chrome.

You will get faster loading of web sites because a lot of commercials are
blocked and its safer because, at times advertising is hacked and hackers
try to download malware through hacked advertising.
https://brave.com/

Gene

----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 6:05 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I have been having a problem trying to get to any web site do to my IE
browser, so I am finally getting around to it. I can't access half of the
web sites I want to. I have received many messages when I try to get to a
web site, I keep getting the message saying I need to update my browser, or
a message telling me I am using an outdated browser. I am using the latest
IE as my browser along with Windows 7. I have this same problem regardless
which web site I go to. Can someone tell me a little about Brave and Chrome
browsers, as I have always just used IE, but now, IE is almost disabled!
Can someone also please give me a web site to download either browser, as I
am in need for a update browser as soon as possible. Is either of these
browsers difficult to be configured, if so, can someone please tell me what
I need to do?

Thank you all in advance.
Janet
Peace Be With You.


Listing the contents of a CD or DVD

Howard Traxler
 

When I insert a disk into the CD/DVD drive, Windows 10 either runs an associated program or (if one exists on the disk) starts the install program.  I'd just like to open and read what's in the directory.  Is there a setting to change to make that happen.

Thanks, anyone.

Howard


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

I'm using TB 78.2. As another user reported the option to reply to sender is placing the list address in the to: field.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/27/2020 3:18 PM, Gene wrote:
When I tested reply to sender earlier today with Thunderbird, it inserted the sender's address.  I don't know why you got a different result.  While I doubt this is the case, if you are using a more current version than I am, the function of the setting may have changed.  I have 68.x on my machine. Its unlikely this feature would have been changed but you never know.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365



Well, I guess i was wrong on that again, i'll shut up and go hide in my little whole again. :smile:

TB does indeed have the reply to sender option but it inserts the list address. For some reason i thought earlier that it worked as i said it did. It should be possible to make it do so by using the correct email headers but that's a groups.io issue and not ms.

Just for the record, i still think ms should quit making email clients.




Thanks.







On 8/27/2020 2:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 02:43 PM, Norman wrote:
I declare if we all used tb the world would be a better place. Seems to me that there would have to be a reply to sender option somewhere in outlook/win mail, but i guess i could be wrong about the ability for ms programers to think clearly anymore.-
This has nothing to do with Microsoft.  The way groups.io sends out messages, by design, is such that the reply-to address is for the group. You would never want the sender's address to be the default on a mailing list, or traffic would end up being diverted off-list almost constantly.  If you show the entire original message you can find the original sender's address, but it's not in Reply-To.

This isn't limited to groups.io groups, either.  Freelists.org and others use precisely the same mechanism.  Replies using reply or reply all generally default to list, not sender.


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

With Freelists.org lists Thunderbird used to send replies to the sender only when you used ctrl-R. If you wanted your reply to be sent to the list TB had a separate reply to list command, which I believe was shift-ctrl-L, if memory serves. For all I know the V78 branch may still behave like this. I can definitely see advantages to this but I personally found it maddening. However, if you go into TB's configuration there is a way to alter this behavior so that pressing ctrl-R sends your reply to the list and not to the sender only. This is what I did as I could never remember to press shift-ctrl-L to reply to a list.



David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 8/27/2020 2:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 02:43 PM, Norman wrote:
I declare if we all used tb the world would be a better place. Seems to me that there would have to be a reply to sender option somewhere in outlook/win mail, but i guess i could be wrong about the ability for ms programers to think clearly anymore.
-
This has nothing to do with Microsoft.  The way groups.io sends out messages, by design, is such that the reply-to address is for the group.  You would never want the sender's address to be the default on a mailing list, or traffic would end up being diverted off-list almost constantly.  If you show the entire original message you can find the original sender's address, but it's not in Reply-To.

This isn't limited to groups.io groups, either.  Freelists.org and others use precisely the same mechanism.  Replies using reply or reply all generally default to list, not sender.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Browser Help Please.

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 03:23 PM, Gene wrote:
Microsoft has had enough problems with its full upgrades recently
-
If you intend to keep using a machine, whether as your "daily driver" or as a backup machine, over the long term then it should be updated to a supported version of Windows, period.

No responsible IT professional (and I am one) would tell anyone otherwise.  I don't presume that folks who keep backup machines don't want something they can pull out and use with complete comfort and familiarity should the need arise.  And, believe me, whether one is using Windows 8.1 or Windows 10 routinely, you will forget how certain things were handled in Windows 7.

You never, ever, ever want to have an unsupported OS in contact with cyberspace if it's at all possible to avoid it.  And all the more so if that OS is a dead version of Windows.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Browser Help Please.

Gene
 

But if someone is getting a separate Windows 10 machine, I disagree that you should upgrade the Windows 7 machine unless you intend to use it regularly. If you intend to keep it as a backup machine, I think Windows 7 should be kept on it. Microsoft has had enough problems with its full upgrades recently that I want a system that is reliable and that won't be upgraded if I have to use it as a backup. Assumedly, using it as a backup would be for short periods if something goes wrong with the Windows 10 machine.

I wouldn't use it in circumstances where I have to give personal information.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Janet,

As far as I know, default app setting on Windows 7 works as it always did, and it's way less strict about checking changes when programs try to make them, which has caused enough problems that things were tightened up later.

I would strongly encourage you to do a no-cost in-place upgrade to Windows 10 at your earliest possible convenience, after having backed up your system first. These instructions apply to an in-place upgrade, too, and I mention that in the instructions themselves: Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file



--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Gene
 

When I tested reply to sender earlier today with Thunderbird, it inserted the sender's address. I don't know why you got a different result. While I doubt this is the case, if you are using a more current version than I am, the function of the setting may have changed. I have 68.x on my machine. Its unlikely this feature would have been changed but you never know.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365



Well, I guess i was wrong on that again, i'll shut up and go hide in my little whole again. :smile:

TB does indeed have the reply to sender option but it inserts the list address. For some reason i thought earlier that it worked as i said it did. It should be possible to make it do so by using the correct email headers but that's a groups.io issue and not ms.

Just for the record, i still think ms should quit making email clients.




Thanks.







On 8/27/2020 2:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 02:43 PM, Norman wrote:
I declare if we all used tb the world would be a better place. Seems to me that there would have to be a reply to sender option somewhere in outlook/win mail, but i guess i could be wrong about the ability for ms programers to think clearly anymore.-
This has nothing to do with Microsoft. The way groups.io sends out messages, by design, is such that the reply-to address is for the group. You would never want the sender's address to be the default on a mailing list, or traffic would end up being diverted off-list almost constantly. If you show the entire original message you can find the original sender's address, but it's not in Reply-To.

This isn't limited to groups.io groups, either. Freelists.org and others use precisely the same mechanism. Replies using reply or reply all generally default to list, not sender.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 03:06 PM, Norman wrote:
Just for the record, i still think ms should quit making email clients.
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Other than Outlook, I'm right there with you.  I cannot describe how deep my loathing is for the Windows 10 Mail App, which gives real e-mail clients from any maker (including Outlook from Microsoft) a bad name!
 
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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Re: Browser Help Please.

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Oops, I did omit one important detail, if you want to be able to directly mount an ISO file under Windows 7 you would need a third party utility to make that happen.

You'd be better off following those instructions, but instead creating bootable media (which you won't need to boot from), and running setup.exe from it, instead.  You can find instructions for creating that bootable media at the beginning of this tutorial, and it's only the media creation part you need to do before going back to the simpler in-place upgrade instructions once you've made it:  Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive

I am not telling you to do a completely clean install from beginning to end.  But that instruction set tells you, step-by-step, how to use the Media Creation Tool to create bootable USB media.

 

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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Re: Browser Help Please.

Gene
 

If all you want to do is browse and not modify other behavior, that's it. You may want to change the download location of files or cause the ask where to save files dialog to come up when you save a file. I'd have to look to see where those settings are if you have problems finding them.

But if you generally don't change settings in browsers, there is nothing you need to change in Brave.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Hi Gene and All,
I'm sorry for my late reply, as I was called away from my PC as soon as I sent the message out to the list, but I am back now. I thank all those who might have sent me a reply. Gene, I just downloaded the Brave Browser, and I am currently in the settings options, and I did select the option to make Brave Browser as my default. Do I need to select any other settings while I'm in the settings options?
Thank you all for any help in this.
Janet
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 6:56 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Browsing is browsing with any browser that supports the virtual pc cursor or
browse mode, whatever your screen-reader calls it. Firefox, Chrome, and The
Brave browser all support The Virtual PC Cursor or Browse mode. that's the
same thing that you have been using in Internet Explorer. Its unfortunate
that so many people have needless fear and use an increasingly oudated
browser. Use control l instead of control o to move to the address bar,
where you type an address.
Book marks are gotten to a little differently than in Internet Explorer.
I'll send more information about an easy way to work with them in another
message. I sent such a message earlier to another list. Others will, I
hope, tell you more about im;portting book marks. but with either browser,
you will see that navigating web pages is just about identical to doing so
in Internet Explorer. A page may display something a little differently,
for example, a button or link may show different words. On one site I've
worked with to upload files, the button may say something like browse with
one browser and select a file with another browser. Sometimes, different
browsers see different parts of code on web pages.

As far as which browser to use between the Brave browser and Google Chrome,
if you want to use a browser that takes what I consider an ethical stance
towards advertisements on web sites, the Brave browser does. I'll provide a
link to the page where you can read about it and download it.

Aside from its policies on advertising by web sites, the browser itself is
very similar to the Chrome browser, it is based on Chrome.

You will get faster loading of web sites because a lot of commercials are
blocked and its safer because, at times advertising is hacked and hackers
try to download malware through hacked advertising.
https://brave.com/

Gene

----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 6:05 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I have been having a problem trying to get to any web site do to my IE
browser, so I am finally getting around to it. I can't access half of the
web sites I want to. I have received many messages when I try to get to a
web site, I keep getting the message saying I need to update my browser, or
a message telling me I am using an outdated browser. I am using the latest
IE as my browser along with Windows 7. I have this same problem regardless
which web site I go to. Can someone tell me a little about Brave and Chrome
browsers, as I have always just used IE, but now, IE is almost disabled!
Can someone also please give me a web site to download either browser, as I
am in need for a update browser as soon as possible. Is either of these
browsers difficult to be configured, if so, can someone please tell me what
I need to do?

Thank you all in advance.
Janet
Peace Be With You.


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Gene
 

The option may be there in the app, I don't know. But it isn't programmed the same as In Thunderbird and, while it may work on some lists, it won't work on many.

As far as the world being better off with Thunderbird, I use Windows Live Mail. I find it more pleasant to use and I use it, though I've tried Thunderbird and can use it. You like one and I like another.

But the world wouldn't be better off with just one. the world is better off with choice.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Why doesn't ms quit making mail apps?

I declare if we all used tb the world would be a better place. Seems to
me that there would have to be a reply to sender option somewhere in
outlook/win mail, but i guess i could be wrong about the ability for ms
programers to think clearly anymore.


On 8/27/2020 2:38 PM, heather albright wrote:
It does not work in the windows10 mail app either! Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365


No. As I said in an earlier message, it can't be assumed to work. it works in Thunderbird on this list. it doesn't work in Windows Live Mail. And now, we see that it doesn't work in Outlook on this list.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

oops, Looks like it went to the group.

One thing i didn't mention, if you right click you would need to down
arrow and press enter on reply to sender.

Maybe people are missing that?


On 8/27/2020 2:08 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
OK, Norman, I'm trying your advice. I right clicked, hope this does not come back to the group. If it comes to you, you don't need to reply, just know you have my thanks for this idea that works. If it doesn't, then, heaven help us, it will come to the group. I know, that Brian's does though, so there is more than one way to skin a cat.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 11:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

There are various ways to do this depending on the email program and screen reader used. In general i don't think pointing out the screen reader specific method is a good idea because as soon as you do someone else will want to know how to do something that uses a different screen reader.

For all desktop email programs, outlook, thunderbird, ETC. right clicking on the message gives you the option in the menu.




HTH.




On 8/27/2020 9:30 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 07:49 AM, David Goldfield wrote:


Someone asked me how to reply to the original sender of a Groups.io message

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By activating the "Reply to Sender" mailto link at the bottom of any given message. It's purpose for being is to allow you to start an "off-list/off-group" conversation with whoever wrote the message, without involving anyone else in the group.

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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com












Re: Browser Help Please.

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Janet,

          As far as I know, default app setting on Windows 7 works as it always did, and it's way less strict about checking changes when programs try to make them, which has caused enough problems that things were tightened up later.

           I would strongly encourage you to do a no-cost in-place upgrade to Windows 10 at your earliest possible convenience, after having backed up your system first.  These instructions apply to an in-place upgrade, too, and I mention that in the instructions themselves:  Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file

 

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com

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