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Re: Browser Help Please.

Gene
 

If all you want to do is browse and not modify other behavior, that's it. You may want to change the download location of files or cause the ask where to save files dialog to come up when you save a file. I'd have to look to see where those settings are if you have problems finding them.

But if you generally don't change settings in browsers, there is nothing you need to change in Brave.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Hi Gene and All,
I'm sorry for my late reply, as I was called away from my PC as soon as I sent the message out to the list, but I am back now. I thank all those who might have sent me a reply. Gene, I just downloaded the Brave Browser, and I am currently in the settings options, and I did select the option to make Brave Browser as my default. Do I need to select any other settings while I'm in the settings options?
Thank you all for any help in this.
Janet
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 6:56 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Browsing is browsing with any browser that supports the virtual pc cursor or
browse mode, whatever your screen-reader calls it. Firefox, Chrome, and The
Brave browser all support The Virtual PC Cursor or Browse mode. that's the
same thing that you have been using in Internet Explorer. Its unfortunate
that so many people have needless fear and use an increasingly oudated
browser. Use control l instead of control o to move to the address bar,
where you type an address.
Book marks are gotten to a little differently than in Internet Explorer.
I'll send more information about an easy way to work with them in another
message. I sent such a message earlier to another list. Others will, I
hope, tell you more about im;portting book marks. but with either browser,
you will see that navigating web pages is just about identical to doing so
in Internet Explorer. A page may display something a little differently,
for example, a button or link may show different words. On one site I've
worked with to upload files, the button may say something like browse with
one browser and select a file with another browser. Sometimes, different
browsers see different parts of code on web pages.

As far as which browser to use between the Brave browser and Google Chrome,
if you want to use a browser that takes what I consider an ethical stance
towards advertisements on web sites, the Brave browser does. I'll provide a
link to the page where you can read about it and download it.

Aside from its policies on advertising by web sites, the browser itself is
very similar to the Chrome browser, it is based on Chrome.

You will get faster loading of web sites because a lot of commercials are
blocked and its safer because, at times advertising is hacked and hackers
try to download malware through hacked advertising.
https://brave.com/

Gene

----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 6:05 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I have been having a problem trying to get to any web site do to my IE
browser, so I am finally getting around to it. I can't access half of the
web sites I want to. I have received many messages when I try to get to a
web site, I keep getting the message saying I need to update my browser, or
a message telling me I am using an outdated browser. I am using the latest
IE as my browser along with Windows 7. I have this same problem regardless
which web site I go to. Can someone tell me a little about Brave and Chrome
browsers, as I have always just used IE, but now, IE is almost disabled!
Can someone also please give me a web site to download either browser, as I
am in need for a update browser as soon as possible. Is either of these
browsers difficult to be configured, if so, can someone please tell me what
I need to do?

Thank you all in advance.
Janet
Peace Be With You.


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Gene
 

The option may be there in the app, I don't know. But it isn't programmed the same as In Thunderbird and, while it may work on some lists, it won't work on many.

As far as the world being better off with Thunderbird, I use Windows Live Mail. I find it more pleasant to use and I use it, though I've tried Thunderbird and can use it. You like one and I like another.

But the world wouldn't be better off with just one. the world is better off with choice.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Why doesn't ms quit making mail apps?

I declare if we all used tb the world would be a better place. Seems to
me that there would have to be a reply to sender option somewhere in
outlook/win mail, but i guess i could be wrong about the ability for ms
programers to think clearly anymore.


On 8/27/2020 2:38 PM, heather albright wrote:
It does not work in the windows10 mail app either! Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365


No. As I said in an earlier message, it can't be assumed to work. it works in Thunderbird on this list. it doesn't work in Windows Live Mail. And now, we see that it doesn't work in Outlook on this list.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

oops, Looks like it went to the group.

One thing i didn't mention, if you right click you would need to down
arrow and press enter on reply to sender.

Maybe people are missing that?


On 8/27/2020 2:08 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
OK, Norman, I'm trying your advice. I right clicked, hope this does not come back to the group. If it comes to you, you don't need to reply, just know you have my thanks for this idea that works. If it doesn't, then, heaven help us, it will come to the group. I know, that Brian's does though, so there is more than one way to skin a cat.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 11:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

There are various ways to do this depending on the email program and screen reader used. In general i don't think pointing out the screen reader specific method is a good idea because as soon as you do someone else will want to know how to do something that uses a different screen reader.

For all desktop email programs, outlook, thunderbird, ETC. right clicking on the message gives you the option in the menu.




HTH.




On 8/27/2020 9:30 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 07:49 AM, David Goldfield wrote:


Someone asked me how to reply to the original sender of a Groups.io message

-
By activating the "Reply to Sender" mailto link at the bottom of any given message. It's purpose for being is to allow you to start an "off-list/off-group" conversation with whoever wrote the message, without involving anyone else in the group.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com












Re: Browser Help Please.

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Janet,

          As far as I know, default app setting on Windows 7 works as it always did, and it's way less strict about checking changes when programs try to make them, which has caused enough problems that things were tightened up later.

           I would strongly encourage you to do a no-cost in-place upgrade to Windows 10 at your earliest possible convenience, after having backed up your system first.  These instructions apply to an in-place upgrade, too, and I mention that in the instructions themselves:  Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file

 

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Browser Help Please.

Janet
 

Hi Brian,

Thank you for this, I will keep this for when I get Windows 10, in which I am planning to get Windows 10 Laptop very soon.  But, I am currently still on PC Windows 7. 

Janet

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

 

Janet,

          It's always worth opening Windows 10 Settings, Apps, Default Apps if you're on Windows 10 to make sure that your default web browser is Brave if that's what you want.  Things are getting much better as far as Windows 10 allowing applications to set themselves as default on installation on user request, but some still don't succeed in doing so.  It never hurts to check.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Norman
 

Well, I guess i was wrong on that again, i'll shut up and go hide in my little whole again. :smile:

TB does indeed have the reply to sender option but it inserts the list address. For some reason i thought earlier that it worked as i said it did. It should be possible to make it do so by using the correct email headers but that's a groups.io issue and not ms.

Just for the record, i still think ms should quit making email clients.


Thanks.



On 8/27/2020 2:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 02:43 PM, Norman wrote:
I declare if we all used tb the world would be a better place. Seems to me that there would have to be a reply to sender option somewhere in outlook/win mail, but i guess i could be wrong about the ability for ms programers to think clearly anymore.
-
This has nothing to do with Microsoft.  The way groups.io sends out messages, by design, is such that the reply-to address is for the group.  You would never want the sender's address to be the default on a mailing list, or traffic would end up being diverted off-list almost constantly.  If you show the entire original message you can find the original sender's address, but it's not in Reply-To.

This isn't limited to groups.io groups, either.  Freelists.org and others use precisely the same mechanism.  Replies using reply or reply all generally default to list, not sender.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Browser Help Please.

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Janet,

          It's always worth opening Windows 10 Settings, Apps, Default Apps if you're on Windows 10 to make sure that your default web browser is Brave if that's what you want.  Things are getting much better as far as Windows 10 allowing applications to set themselves as default on installation on user request, but some still don't succeed in doing so.  It never hurts to check.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 02:43 PM, Norman wrote:
I declare if we all used tb the world would be a better place. Seems to me that there would have to be a reply to sender option somewhere in outlook/win mail, but i guess i could be wrong about the ability for ms programers to think clearly anymore.
-
This has nothing to do with Microsoft.  The way groups.io sends out messages, by design, is such that the reply-to address is for the group.  You would never want the sender's address to be the default on a mailing list, or traffic would end up being diverted off-list almost constantly.  If you show the entire original message you can find the original sender's address, but it's not in Reply-To.

This isn't limited to groups.io groups, either.  Freelists.org and others use precisely the same mechanism.  Replies using reply or reply all generally default to list, not sender.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Browser Help Please.

Janet
 

Hi Gene and All,
I'm sorry for my late reply, as I was called away from my PC as soon as I sent the message out to the list, but I am back now. I thank all those who might have sent me a reply. Gene, I just downloaded the Brave Browser, and I am currently in the settings options, and I did select the option to make Brave Browser as my default. Do I need to select any other settings while I'm in the settings options?
Thank you all for any help in this.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 6:56 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Browsing is browsing with any browser that supports the virtual pc cursor or
browse mode, whatever your screen-reader calls it. Firefox, Chrome, and The
Brave browser all support The Virtual PC Cursor or Browse mode. that's the
same thing that you have been using in Internet Explorer. Its unfortunate
that so many people have needless fear and use an increasingly oudated
browser. Use control l instead of control o to move to the address bar,
where you type an address.
Book marks are gotten to a little differently than in Internet Explorer.
I'll send more information about an easy way to work with them in another
message. I sent such a message earlier to another list. Others will, I
hope, tell you more about im;portting book marks. but with either browser,
you will see that navigating web pages is just about identical to doing so
in Internet Explorer. A page may display something a little differently,
for example, a button or link may show different words. On one site I've
worked with to upload files, the button may say something like browse with
one browser and select a file with another browser. Sometimes, different
browsers see different parts of code on web pages.

As far as which browser to use between the Brave browser and Google Chrome,
if you want to use a browser that takes what I consider an ethical stance
towards advertisements on web sites, the Brave browser does. I'll provide a
link to the page where you can read about it and download it.

Aside from its policies on advertising by web sites, the browser itself is
very similar to the Chrome browser, it is based on Chrome.

You will get faster loading of web sites because a lot of commercials are
blocked and its safer because, at times advertising is hacked and hackers
try to download malware through hacked advertising.
https://brave.com/

Gene

----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 6:05 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I have been having a problem trying to get to any web site do to my IE
browser, so I am finally getting around to it. I can't access half of the
web sites I want to. I have received many messages when I try to get to a
web site, I keep getting the message saying I need to update my browser, or
a message telling me I am using an outdated browser. I am using the latest
IE as my browser along with Windows 7. I have this same problem regardless
which web site I go to. Can someone tell me a little about Brave and Chrome
browsers, as I have always just used IE, but now, IE is almost disabled!
Can someone also please give me a web site to download either browser, as I
am in need for a update browser as soon as possible. Is either of these
browsers difficult to be configured, if so, can someone please tell me what
I need to do?

Thank you all in advance.
Janet
Peace Be With You.


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Norman
 

Why doesn't ms quit making mail apps?

I declare if we all used tb the world would be a better place. Seems to me that there would have to be a reply to sender option somewhere in outlook/win mail, but i guess i could be wrong about the ability for ms programers to think clearly anymore.

On 8/27/2020 2:38 PM, heather albright wrote:
It does not work in the windows10 mail app either! Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365


No. As I said in an earlier message, it can't be assumed to work.  it works in Thunderbird on this list.  it doesn't work in Windows Live Mail. And now, we see that it doesn't work in Outlook on this list.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

oops, Looks like it went to the group.

One thing i didn't mention, if you right click you would need to down
arrow and press enter on reply to sender.

Maybe people are missing that?


On 8/27/2020 2:08 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
OK, Norman, I'm trying your advice. I right clicked, hope this does not come back to the group. If it comes to you, you don't need to reply, just know you have my thanks for this idea that works. If it doesn't, then, heaven help us, it will come to the group. I know, that Brian's does though, so there is more than one way to skin a cat.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 11:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

There are various ways to do this depending on the email program and screen reader used. In general i don't think pointing out the screen reader specific method is a good idea because as soon as you do someone else will want to know how to do something that uses a different screen reader.

For all desktop email programs, outlook, thunderbird, ETC. right clicking on the message gives you the option in the menu.




HTH.




On 8/27/2020 9:30 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 07:49 AM, David Goldfield wrote:


Someone asked me how to reply to the original sender of a Groups.io message

-
By activating the "Reply to Sender" mailto link at the bottom of any given message.  It's purpose for being is to allow you to start an "off-list/off-group" conversation with whoever wrote the message, without involving anyone else in the group.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com











Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

heather albright
 

It does not work in the windows10 mail app either! Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365


No. As I said in an earlier message, it can't be assumed to work. it works in Thunderbird on this list. it doesn't work in Windows Live Mail. And now, we see that it doesn't work in Outlook on this list.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

oops, Looks like it went to the group.

One thing i didn't mention, if you right click you would need to down
arrow and press enter on reply to sender.

Maybe people are missing that?


On 8/27/2020 2:08 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
OK, Norman, I'm trying your advice. I right clicked, hope this does not come back to the group. If it comes to you, you don't need to reply, just know you have my thanks for this idea that works. If it doesn't, then, heaven help us, it will come to the group. I know, that Brian's does though, so there is more than one way to skin a cat.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 11:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

There are various ways to do this depending on the email program and screen reader used. In general i don't think pointing out the screen reader specific method is a good idea because as soon as you do someone else will want to know how to do something that uses a different screen reader.

For all desktop email programs, outlook, thunderbird, ETC. right clicking on the message gives you the option in the menu.




HTH.




On 8/27/2020 9:30 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 07:49 AM, David Goldfield wrote:


Someone asked me how to reply to the original sender of a Groups.io message

-
By activating the "Reply to Sender" mailto link at the bottom of any given message. It's purpose for being is to allow you to start an "off-list/off-group" conversation with whoever wrote the message, without involving anyone else in the group.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com









Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Gene
 

So, evidently, Outlook doesn't offer such an option. this list replies to the list when reply is used, and a lot of lists do. Reply in this menu is, presumably, the same as the control r reply command.

Because of the variability among programs, and they may not all have the same options, that is the reason I hgave the method I did. It appears to be the most standardized among programs. People may want to learn and use a reply to all option if it works in their e-mail program but it often doesn't work as described by what it is called.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

The only options were Reply and Reply to all with right click.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

oops, Looks like it went to the group.

One thing i didn't mention, if you right click you would need to down arrow and press enter on reply to sender.

Maybe people are missing that?


On 8/27/2020 2:08 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
OK, Norman, I'm trying your advice. I right clicked, hope this does not come back to the group. If it comes to you, you don't need to reply, just know you have my thanks for this idea that works. If it doesn't, then, heaven help us, it will come to the group. I know, that Brian's does though, so there is more than one way to skin a cat.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 11:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender
Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

There are various ways to do this depending on the email program and screen reader used. In general i don't think pointing out the screen reader specific method is a good idea because as soon as you do someone else will want to know how to do something that uses a different screen reader.

For all desktop email programs, outlook, thunderbird, ETC. right clicking on the message gives you the option in the menu.




HTH.




On 8/27/2020 9:30 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 07:49 AM, David Goldfield wrote:


Someone asked me how to reply to the original sender of a Groups.io
message

-
By activating the "Reply to Sender" mailto link at the bottom of any given message. It's purpose for being is to allow you to start an "off-list/off-group" conversation with whoever wrote the message, without involving anyone else in the group.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on
Technibble.com






Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Gene
 

No. As I said in an earlier message, it can't be assumed to work. it works in Thunderbird on this list. it doesn't work in Windows Live Mail. And now, we see that it doesn't work in Outlook on this list.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

oops, Looks like it went to the group.

One thing i didn't mention, if you right click you would need to down
arrow and press enter on reply to sender.

Maybe people are missing that?


On 8/27/2020 2:08 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
OK, Norman, I'm trying your advice. I right clicked, hope this does not come back to the group. If it comes to you, you don't need to reply, just know you have my thanks for this idea that works. If it doesn't, then, heaven help us, it will come to the group. I know, that Brian's does though, so there is more than one way to skin a cat.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 11:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

There are various ways to do this depending on the email program and screen reader used. In general i don't think pointing out the screen reader specific method is a good idea because as soon as you do someone else will want to know how to do something that uses a different screen reader.

For all desktop email programs, outlook, thunderbird, ETC. right clicking on the message gives you the option in the menu.




HTH.




On 8/27/2020 9:30 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 07:49 AM, David Goldfield wrote:


Someone asked me how to reply to the original sender of a Groups.io message

-
By activating the "Reply to Sender" mailto link at the bottom of any given message. It's purpose for being is to allow you to start an "off-list/off-group" conversation with whoever wrote the message, without involving anyone else in the group.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com






Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Gene
 

It came back to the group. As I said, this is not a universally effective command.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

OK, Norman, I'm trying your advice. I right clicked, hope this does not come back to the group. If it comes to you, you don't need to reply, just know you have my thanks for this idea that works. If it doesn't, then, heaven help us, it will come to the group. I know, that Brian's does though, so there is more than one way to skin a cat.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 11:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

There are various ways to do this depending on the email program and screen reader used. In general i don't think pointing out the screen reader specific method is a good idea because as soon as you do someone else will want to know how to do something that uses a different screen reader.

For all desktop email programs, outlook, thunderbird, ETC. right clicking on the message gives you the option in the menu.




HTH.




On 8/27/2020 9:30 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 07:49 AM, David Goldfield wrote:


Someone asked me how to reply to the original sender of a Groups.io message

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By activating the "Reply to Sender" mailto link at the bottom of any given message. It's purpose for being is to allow you to start an "off-list/off-group" conversation with whoever wrote the message, without involving anyone else in the group.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Carolyn Arnold
 

The only options were Reply and Reply to all with right click.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

oops, Looks like it went to the group.

One thing i didn't mention, if you right click you would need to down arrow and press enter on reply to sender.

Maybe people are missing that?


On 8/27/2020 2:08 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
OK, Norman, I'm trying your advice. I right clicked, hope this does not come back to the group. If it comes to you, you don't need to reply, just know you have my thanks for this idea that works. If it doesn't, then, heaven help us, it will come to the group. I know, that Brian's does though, so there is more than one way to skin a cat.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 11:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender
Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

There are various ways to do this depending on the email program and screen reader used. In general i don't think pointing out the screen reader specific method is a good idea because as soon as you do someone else will want to know how to do something that uses a different screen reader.

For all desktop email programs, outlook, thunderbird, ETC. right clicking on the message gives you the option in the menu.




HTH.




On 8/27/2020 9:30 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 07:49 AM, David Goldfield wrote:


Someone asked me how to reply to the original sender of a Groups.io
message

-
By activating the "Reply to Sender" mailto link at the bottom of any given message. It's purpose for being is to allow you to start an "off-list/off-group" conversation with whoever wrote the message, without involving anyone else in the group.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on
Technibble.com






Re: respecting leaving computers on, or not

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I'm the "perfect inbetween" of Gene's and Jim's approaches.   I will do restarts anytime I see performance change that goes outside "normal limits," which can be hours, days or weeks, and usually weeks (1.5 to 2).

And I absolutely agree that doing the occasional cyclic restart can be helpful.  What I have found unhelpful, over my years of repairing computers, is the practice of powering down completely either multiple times per day or even nightly on a routine basis.  The systems where that's been the owner's standard practice virtually always have shorter service lives, if not for the machine as a whole then for specific parts that have to be replaced.

I've been using laptops exclusively for well over 10 years now as my "daily driver" machines.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Norman
 

oops, Looks like it went to the group.

One thing i didn't mention, if you right click you would need to down arrow and press enter on reply to sender.

Maybe people are missing that?

On 8/27/2020 2:08 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
OK, Norman, I'm trying your advice. I right clicked, hope this does not come back to the group. If it comes to you, you don't need to reply, just know you have my thanks for this idea that works. If it doesn't, then, heaven help us, it will come to the group. I know, that Brian's does though, so there is more than one way to skin a cat.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 11:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

There are various ways to do this depending on the email program and screen reader used. In general i don't think pointing out the screen reader specific method is a good idea because as soon as you do someone else will want to know how to do something that uses a different screen reader.

For all desktop email programs, outlook, thunderbird, ETC. right clicking on the message gives you the option in the menu.




HTH.




On 8/27/2020 9:30 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 07:49 AM, David Goldfield wrote:


Someone asked me how to reply to the original sender of a Groups.io message

-
By activating the "Reply to Sender" mailto link at the bottom of any given message. It's purpose for being is to allow you to start an "off-list/off-group" conversation with whoever wrote the message, without involving anyone else in the group.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com





Re: respecting leaving computers on, or not

Geoff Eden
 

Good afternoon, mechanical hard drives, you make a case! Not only is there a large current draw for startup, but you are essentially rolling on dry bearings for a few revolutions until their floating design puts the platter spindle airborne.
 
During boot up the head rack also gets a good workout.
 
I'm all SSD here, but my avarice kicks in when viewing the monthly electric bill. So I still turn my computers off, at least, most of the time.
 
Geoff
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] respecting leaving computers on, or not
 
Geoff,

          I don't think that most of us think of LEDs as "light bulbs" in the conventional sense, and you're 100% correct on the difference between them and incandescents, which is what was being referred to at the time that quotation was written.  True LED bulbs are a very recent thing as far as consumer lighting in traditional screw-in bulb form goes.

           Until and unless computers are all using SSDs, the biggest stress on HDDs is generally at boot time.  So computers do tend to "pop" when turned off and on far more often than when in continuous use.  Unfortunately, I still see that all the time.   Almost all of my service calls for dead machines are secondary to either power supply failure or HDD failure that comes when the owner tries to power up their machine.  There's no way of knowing whether the failure occurred during the previous power down, or the actual power up, but it's one of the two.

            The issue of power savings is a thing of its own, and does deserve consideration.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Oddity with TechTalk message format - Reported to Group Owner

Carolyn Arnold
 

I think it is a groups.io problem. But, as Brian has said, we can go down to Reply to Sender and copy the sender's address; that did work.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 11:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Oddity with TechTalk message format - Reported to Group Owner

I'm not sure what the problem is. I checcked a message from the NVDA list and I found the same thing. there is no reply to member link. To me, going through messages with a screen-reader, it appears to me as though they are HTML messages and I'm curious how you know they are text. Is it the lack of formatting or images?

I'll probably write to support about this but, since I've seen this on two lists, I suspect it is a general problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Oddity with TechTalk message format - Reported to Group Owner

I don't generally subscribe initially using the individual message option because I use the web interface, but for each group I do generally turn this on so that I receive at least a few messages to see exactly what they look like.

The messages I've received from TechTalk are in plain text format, which is not the default for Groups.io, and are also missing a number of the standard footer links that should be there whether the format is plain text or HTML, the most important of which given recent conversations is the "Reply to Sender" link, which is entirely absent.

I've never seen this happen before, and I'll check to see if it is happening on other groups by turning on individual message delivery for them for a short while.

So you're not insane if you're not seeing the Reply to Sender link, because it's not there, and I'm not insane thinking that it should be there, because in every other case I've ever dealt with, it is.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Carolyn Arnold
 

OK, Norman, I'm trying your advice. I right clicked, hope this does not come back to the group. If it comes to you, you don't need to reply, just know you have my thanks for this idea that works. If it doesn't, then, heaven help us, it will come to the group. I know, that Brian's does though, so there is more than one way to skin a cat.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 11:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

There are various ways to do this depending on the email program and screen reader used. In general i don't think pointing out the screen reader specific method is a good idea because as soon as you do someone else will want to know how to do something that uses a different screen reader.

For all desktop email programs, outlook, thunderbird, ETC. right clicking on the message gives you the option in the menu.




HTH.




On 8/27/2020 9:30 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 07:49 AM, David Goldfield wrote:


Someone asked me how to reply to the original sender of a Groups.io message

-
By activating the "Reply to Sender" mailto link at the bottom of any given message. It's purpose for being is to allow you to start an "off-list/off-group" conversation with whoever wrote the message, without involving anyone else in the group.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Carolyn Arnold
 

Brian's instructions to go to the bottom to get the sender's address is the solution that works now for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of gbmagoo@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Because I was in a hurry and without thinking I sent it to the list

Did this come to yyou only?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 07:46
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

But it came to the list.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of gbmagoo@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Yes it did

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 07:36
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Sorry to bother you, just seeing if this works,l thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of gbmagoo@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Why in your in box list of mails.
On the one you wish to reply to or to the group do the following Right click on the email which is shift f10 Now I got a lis of choices the first was reply the second was reply to all arrow to the one you wish and hit enter and do your email thing in the opened email

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 04:49
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

I'm almost embarrassed that I'm even asking this question as I assumed that the method for doing this was obvious. Perhaps it is but clearly it isn't to me.

Using Win10, version 2004 with what is likely the latest build or at least a very current version of Outlook 365.

Normally, if a sender has sent a message to you along with other individuals pressing ctrl-r replies to the original sender only and pressing shift-ctrl-r replies to everyone in the thread.

Someone asked me how to reply to the original sender of a Groups.io message using Outlook. In that instance pressing ctrl-R does reply to the group.

If I press the tab key a few times after opening the message I do encounter a button with the name of the original sender. You would think that pressing space or enter on that button would allow you to send an email to that person but it does not. Even the context menu doesn't have an option to send an email message as it does with Thunderbird. What's the most efficient method for sending an email to just the sender?


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David Goldfield,
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