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Re: New Yahoo Account

John Gregory <john.gm.gregory@...>
 

Yep, that's all correct Carlos, but as Mike will no doubt confirm, Yahoo
will not download your emails via pop3 because of the 'security' risk of
desktop email clients such as Outlook. The 'allow unsecure applications'
option has to be enabled on the server and it is impossible to do via
Yahoo's website. The same setting is true of Gmail, but at least one can get
to that setting and change it, but not with Yahoo. Not sure whether it is
any different for sighted users, but it is a fact that screen readers cannot
find this setting. I did, on one occasion, see the line 'allow unsecured
applications to access emails', but there were no checkboxes or any way of
activating it.

Each time one opens Outlook it pops up the username and password prompt for
Yahoo, but even if one enters the information it doesn't download the
emails. I even tried imap, but that just hung my system!

John.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: 24 November 2016 16:41
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Are you speaking figuratively? Because otherwise I have no idea what you
mean when you say blue instead of gray.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account


Hahaha, I've been working on this since you last sent your response
Carlos which says 7:18. I need a life don't I?

In any rate, after following googles instructions and yours failing
miserably, I think the issue was not knowing which was on or off. It had to
be blue, instead of gray?

So to clarify, I didn't fail miserably cause of your instructions, I
just got the gray and blue backwards.

Now, my next project which is to have all the emails go into one
inbox, as I have a buck load of email accounts lol.

I've done it before but not sure if outlook 2016 will play hard to
get, though.

Thanks boss.







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account



Note that you still have to enable Yahoo POP access for these
settings to work.



POP server: pop.mail.yahoo.com
POP port: 995
POP SSL/TLS: yes
POP username: your full Yahoo! Mail email address
POP password: your Yahoo! Mail password
SMTP server: smtp.mail.yahoo.com
SMTP port: 465 (try 587 as an alternative if 465 yields errors)
SMTP SSL/TLS: yes
SMTP authentication: yes
SMTP username: your full Yahoo! Mail email address
SMTP password: your Yahoo! Mail password

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account



I spoke to yahoo tech support this morning, and each
conversation I had with them concerning what Mike was doing, they hung up on
me lol.

They should be renamed to yayhoo.com.

Does anyone have info for the server info etc for pop or
imap relating to yayhoo mail?



Thanks.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B. via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account



Hi Pam,



Have you ever talked to someone & got the feeling that they
were very uncomfortable talking to a blind person?! Well, I got this
feeling as soon as I told the 1st dude that answered the phone that I was
blind & explained why I needed their help. Dude #1 told me that he has
never talked to a blind person that used a computer. I'm not going to go
into a blow by blow, but after I showed dude #1 that the problem wasn't on
my computer, he couldn't help me, so he got a supervisor on the phone. When
I showed the supervisor my Outlook Express Yahoo properties settings, &
explained what I needed, he knew exactly what I was wanting from them, &
during this exchange I also got a very strong feeling that the supervisor
also felt uncomfortable talking to a blind person. This is why I think the
supervisor didn't want to spend any extra time on the phone with me trying
to explain how / what he had done.



----- Original Message -----

From: Pamela Dominguez <mailto:geodom@...>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account



That guy sounded like he was on a power trip. Everybody has
to call him to get the help! (as he puffs out his stomach) Pam.



From: Mike B. <mailto:mwb5781@...>

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 6:18 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account



Hi John,



I tried very hard to get the supervisor to tell me exactly
how he changed the necessary setting, but as hard as I tried, it just wasn't
going to happen! I trried explaining to him that many blind / visually
impaired could benefit from his knowledge, but he just said to have anyone
having problems on the Yahoo website, call Yahoo tech support. Well, I
tried from a couple of other angles, but again, no such luck. Thanks for
your input.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:26 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account



Hi Mike,

It's great to hear that you have resolved the problem. Pity
they are not
more tech aware. So, I take it from your message that there
is nothing we
can do to resolve the problem ourselves and have to ring
Yahoo CS? As I'm in
the UK the phone number doesn't help, but I'm not that
interested in the
Yahoo account anyway.

As for the CS that didn't believe you were actually blind
and using a
computer, I can tell a similar story about an Ebay seller
who actually
blocked me from buying from him because I asked too many
questions about his
computer product and he didn't believe that I was totally
blind and knew so
much about computers! He didn't want me to leave negative
feedback, so he
blocked me - should have more confidence in his items! After
all these years
I'm still surprised at the ignorance of certain people -
should really know
better I guess.

Take care.

John.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B.
Sent: 18 November 2016 19:00
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Carlos & John,

Well, I had a low vision friend try to find the POP setting
without any
luck, so he gave me the tech support phone number for Yahoo.
It was a bitch
at 1st because the dude didn't believe I was blind & using a
computer so, I
had to prove it to the A'Hole. LOL There was a bit of a
language barrier,
but we managed to get around that to the point of, them
having to get a
supervisor on the phone with me. The 1st dude had logged
onto my computer &
when the supervisor got on with me he was able to understand
the setting
that needed to be changed, & here's the message they sent,
as a confirmation
of sorts I guess.

YAHOO


Hi Mike,

You just allowed apps that may use a less secure sign-in
method to access
your Yahoo account mibru9902. This change allows email
applications that do
not meet Yahoo's recommended security standards to access
your account and
may leave your account more vulnerable to security risks.


Okay,my new email is now working, & here's their tech
support phone #:
1-800-385-4304,
if anyone happens to need it.

If anyone has to call them regarding this same problem be
prepared to
explain many times that the setting that needs to be changed
is on their
server, & not on your computer if you already have the
account set-up. They
didn't believe that the setting was on their server until I
showed them I
had the account on the computer configured correctly, & that
the setting on
the server had to be activated so the server & my email
client could
communicate.

Oh well, everything is good now.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Mike,
Generally when you are asked to click something and the type
of mouse click
is not specified, a single left click should be assumed.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B. <mailto:mwb5781@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Carlos,

In the instructions given from the link you posted, it says,
Click Edit next to the desired Yahoo! Mail address under
Yahoo
account.
Is clicking edit a right mouse click? If not, what would it
be?
Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

also, finding instructions for enabling it was not
difficult, but
the
impression I am getting is that the procedure may simply not
be very

accessible. Although as I said I do not currently have a
Yahoo
account so I
have not had the opportunity to test this myself. See the
following

article.

https://www.lifewire.com/access-yahoo-mail-account-via-pop-1170876
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account


> Yahoo is offering free POP access again now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Gregory" <john.gm.gregory@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I was searching around the Internet to see if I could
find out
how to
>> solve
>> this problem, I too am getting the pop up dialog asking
for my
password
>> etc,
>> and the only thing I could find is something which said
you can
only
>> enable
>> pop messaging to download to Outlook or other email
clients if
you have a
>> 'paid' account, otherwise the 'free' account only uses
imap.
However,
>> that
>> blog was from 2013 and I don't know if that is still the
case as
I didn't
>> see anything on Yahoo website to indicate paid or free,
only the
free
>> signup. It also said that to enable pop you had to be in
the
'full
>> feature'
>> browser view to enable it in settings.
>>
>> Will do some more investigative work and see if I can
resolve the
issue.
>>
>> BTW, thanks for the Firefox tip, I'll try that and see if
it is
any
>> better
>> than IE.
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 18 November 2016 01:57
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> If you're running Internet Explorer you won't find it.
You need
to run
>> Firefox. A friend of mine got a Yahoo account going for
my wife
& told
>> me
>> that Firefox had to be used to get to that option. This
friend
had
>> surgery
>> yesterday & won't be available fora while so, I won't be
able to
get any
>> more answers until he feels better. I'll let you know if
I have
any
>> success
>> beforehand.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Yes, know what you mean, I have been looking for that
checkbox
for ages!
>> It
>> says you can allow less secure 3rd party clients if you
so wish,
but at
>> your
>> own risk. However, it doesn't appear to provide the means
of
doing it!
>> This
>> is in your Account Security link.
>>
>> If you find it, let me know and I'll do the same for you.
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 23:11
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I have the settings, but I just need to access an option
that
will allow
>> my
>> Outlook Express client to receive email from the Yahoo
server
using POP3.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Is it the pop settings you want in order to set up the
account in

>> Outlook?
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 21:36
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Here's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to enable my
Outlook
Express
>> using
>> POP3 to get the mail from Yahoo following the steps
below.
>>
>> Step 1: Enable Yahoo Mail for POP access
>> list of 5 items
>> In
>> Yahoo Mail,
>> mouse over the Settings icon | Click Settings.
>> Click Accounts.
>> Under Email addresses, click on your Yahoo account name.
>> Go to the bottom of the page under "Access your Yahoo
Mail
elsewhere" |
>> Select POP.
>> Click Save.
>>
>> Here's the problem. I've figured out how to get to
settings /
>> accounts....,
>> but when I get here,
>> Go to the bottom of the page under "Access your Yahoo
Mail
elsewhere" |
>> Select POP.
>>
>> I'm not getting the POP option! Any suggestions?
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Cannot vouch for the accessibility of the Yahoo email
site, but
the below
>> may help with your query.
>>
>> The following should help you obtain the 'settings' menu
in
Yahoo. It
>> basically tells you how to switch between the basic and
full
featured
>> views,
>> but read the 'adjust your screen reader' section to learn
how to
access
>> the
>> new shortcut key (;) for the 'settings' menu.
>>
>> There's a handy new keyboard shortcut, the semicolon, to
access
Yahoo
>> Mail
>> Settings so you can choose the view (basic or full
featured) you
prefer.
>> Switching doesn't affect your email messages, only the
way
they're
>> displayed
>> and the number of commands and options you're presented
with.
>>
>> Just log into Yahoo Mail as you always do, press the
semicolon
key to
>> access
>> the Mail Settings, choose "Mail Version," then either
"Full-Featured" or
>> "Basic." Repeat the same steps to switch back at any
time.
>>
>> Screen reader users should follow the steps below to
prevent the
screen
>> reader from intercepting the Yahoo Mail Settings keyboard
shortcut:
>>
>> 1. Log into your Yahoo Mail account;
>>
>> 2. Adjust your Screen Reader as necessary:
>>
>> a. Using NVDA, press Insert-Spacebar to enter "focus"
mode";
>>
>> b. Using JAWS, press Insert-Z to turn off the JAWS
virtual
cursor;
>>
>> c. Using VoiceOver, press the left and right arrows
simultaneously to
>> turn
>> Quick Nav off;
>>
>> 3. Press semicolon to access Yahoo Mail Settings;
>>
>> 4. Press the Tab key several times until you hear
"Mail
Version" then
>> press the Down arrow key to check (select) Full-Featured
or Basic
radio
>> button;
>>
>> 5. Press the Tab key several times to move to the Save
button
and
>> press
>> the Enter key.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> John.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 19:06
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I just created a new Yahoo email account, but I can't
find the
Settings
>> button so I can click on Accounts. I need to find the,
Access
your Yahoo
>> Mail elsewhere, & Select POP, & save. What is the best
way of
getting to
>> the Settings button / link? Should I use Yahoo Maill or
Mobile
Yahoo
>> Mail?
>> Thanks much.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>











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Re: New Yahoo Account

Carlos
 

Are you speaking figuratively?  Because otherwise I have no idea what you mean when you say blue instead of gray.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hahaha, I’ve been working on this since you last sent your response Carlos which says 7:18. I need a life don’t I?

In any rate, after following googles instructions and yours failing miserably, I think the issue was not knowing which was on or off. It had to be blue, instead of gray?

So to clarify, I didn’t fail miserably cause of your instructions, I just got the gray and blue backwards.

Now, my next project which is to have all the emails go into one inbox, as I have a buck load of email accounts lol.

I’ve done it before but not sure if outlook 2016 will play hard to get, though.

Thanks boss.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Note that you still have to enable Yahoo POP access for these settings to work.

 

POP server: pop.mail.yahoo.com
POP port: 995
POP SSL/TLS: yes
POP username: your full Yahoo! Mail email address
POP password: your Yahoo! Mail password
SMTP server: smtp.mail.yahoo.com
SMTP port: 465 (try 587 as an alternative if 465 yields errors)
SMTP SSL/TLS: yes
SMTP authentication: yes
SMTP username: your full Yahoo! Mail email address
SMTP password: your Yahoo! Mail password

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

I spoke to yahoo tech support this morning, and each conversation I had with them concerning what Mike was doing, they hung up on me lol.

They should be renamed to yayhoo.com.

Does anyone have info for the server info etc for pop or imap relating to yayhoo mail?

 

Thanks.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B. via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Hi Pam,

 

Have you ever talked to someone & got the feeling that they were very uncomfortable talking to a blind person?!  Well, I got this feeling as soon as I told the 1st dude that answered the phone that I was blind & explained why I needed their help.  Dude #1 told me that he has never talked to a blind person that used a computer.  I'm not going to go into a blow by blow, but after I showed dude #1 that the problem wasn't on my computer, he couldn't help me, so he got a supervisor on the phone.  When I showed the supervisor my Outlook Express Yahoo properties settings, & explained what I needed, he knew exactly what I was wanting from them, & during this exchange I also got a very strong feeling that the supervisor also felt uncomfortable talking to a blind person.  This is why I think the supervisor didn't want to spend any extra time on the phone with me trying to explain how / what he had done.

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

That guy sounded like he was on a power trip.  Everybody has to call him to get the help!  (as he puffs out his stomach)  Pam.

 

From: Mike B.

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Hi John,

 

I tried very hard to get the supervisor to tell me exactly how he changed the necessary setting, but as hard as I tried, it just wasn't going to happen!  I trried explaining to him that many blind / visually impaired could benefit from his knowledge, but he just said to have anyone having problems on the Yahoo website, call Yahoo tech support.  Well, I tried from a couple of other angles, but again, no such luck.  Thanks for your input.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: John Gregory

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:26 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Hi Mike,

It's great to hear that you have resolved the problem. Pity they are not
more tech aware. So, I take it from your message that there is nothing we
can do to resolve the problem ourselves and have to ring Yahoo CS? As I'm in
the UK the phone number doesn't help, but I'm not that interested in the
Yahoo account anyway.

As for the CS that didn't believe you were actually blind and using a
computer, I can tell a similar story about an Ebay seller who actually
blocked me from buying from him because I asked too many questions about his
computer product and he didn't believe that I was totally blind and knew so
much about computers! He didn't want me to leave negative feedback, so he
blocked me - should have more confidence in his items! After all these years
I'm still surprised at the ignorance of certain people - should really know
better I guess.

Take care.

John.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B.
Sent: 18 November 2016 19:00
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Carlos & John,
 
Well, I had a low vision friend try to find the POP setting without any
luck, so he gave me the tech support phone number for Yahoo.  It was a bitch
at 1st because the dude didn't believe I was blind & using a computer so, I
had to prove it to the A'Hole.  LOL  There was a bit of a language barrier,
but we managed to get around that to the point of, them having to get a
supervisor on the phone with me.  The 1st dude had logged onto my computer &
when the supervisor got on with me he was able to understand the setting
that needed to be changed, & here's the message they sent, as a confirmation
of sorts I guess.
 
YAHOO 
 
 
Hi Mike,
 
You just allowed apps that may use a less secure sign-in method to access
your Yahoo account mibru9902. This change allows email applications that do
not meet Yahoo's recommended security standards to access your account and
may leave your account more vulnerable to security risks.
 
 
Okay,my new email is now working, & here's their tech support phone #:
1-800-385-4304,
if anyone happens to need it.
 
If anyone has to call them regarding this same problem be prepared to
explain many times that the setting that needs to be changed is on their
server, & not on your computer if you already have the account set-up.  They
didn't believe that the setting was on their server until I showed them I
had the account on the computer configured correctly, & that the setting on
the server had to be activated so the server & my email client could
communicate.
 
Oh well, everything is good now.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Mike,
Generally when you are asked to click something and the type of mouse click
is not specified, a single left click should be assumed.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B. <mailto:mwb5781@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Carlos,

In the instructions given from the link you posted, it says,
Click Edit next to the desired Yahoo! Mail address under Yahoo
account.
Is clicking edit a right mouse click?  If not, what would it be?
Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

also, finding instructions for enabling it was not difficult, but
the
impression I am getting is that the procedure may simply not be very

accessible.  Although as I said I do not currently have a Yahoo
account so I
have not had the opportunity to test this myself.  See the following

article.
https://www.lifewire.com/access-yahoo-mail-account-via-pop-1170876
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account


> Yahoo is offering free POP access again now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Gregory" <john.gm.gregory@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I was searching around the Internet to see if I could  find out
how to
>> solve
>> this problem, I too am getting the pop up dialog asking for my
password
>> etc,
>> and the only thing I could find is something which said you can
only
>> enable
>> pop messaging to download to Outlook or other email clients if
you have a
>> 'paid' account, otherwise the 'free' account only uses imap.
However,
>> that
>> blog was from 2013 and I don't know if that is still the case as
I didn't
>> see anything on Yahoo website to indicate paid or free, only the
free
>> signup. It also said that to enable pop you had to be in the
'full
>> feature'
>> browser view to enable it in settings.
>>
>> Will do some more investigative work and see if I can resolve the
issue.
>>
>> BTW, thanks for the Firefox tip, I'll try that and see if it is
any
>> better
>> than IE.
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 18 November 2016 01:57
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> If you're running Internet Explorer you won't find it.  You need
to run
>> Firefox.  A friend of mine got a Yahoo account going for my wife
& told
>> me
>> that Firefox had to be used to get to that option.  This friend
had
>> surgery
>> yesterday & won't be available fora while so, I won't be able to
get any
>> more answers until he feels better.  I'll let you know if I have
any
>> success
>> beforehand.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Yes, know what you mean, I have been looking for that checkbox
for ages!
>> It
>> says you can allow less secure 3rd party clients if you so wish,
but at
>> your
>> own risk. However, it doesn't appear to provide the means of
doing it!
>> This
>> is in your Account Security link.
>>
>> If you find it, let me know and I'll do the same for you.
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 23:11
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I have the settings, but I just need to access an option that
will allow
>> my
>> Outlook Express client to receive email from the Yahoo server
using POP3.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Is it the pop settings you want in order to set up the account in

>> Outlook?
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 21:36
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Here's what I'm trying to do.  I'm trying to enable my Outlook
Express
>> using
>> POP3 to get the mail from Yahoo following the steps below.
>>
>> Step 1: Enable Yahoo Mail for POP access
>> list of 5 items
>> In
>> Yahoo Mail,
>> mouse over the Settings icon  | Click Settings.
>> Click Accounts.
>> Under Email addresses, click on your Yahoo account name.
>> Go to the bottom of the page under "Access your Yahoo Mail
elsewhere" |
>> Select POP.
>> Click Save.
>>
>> Here's the problem.  I've figured out how to get to settings /
>> accounts....,
>> but when I get here,
>> Go to the bottom of the page under "Access your Yahoo Mail
elsewhere" |
>> Select POP.
>>
>> I'm not getting the POP option!  Any suggestions?
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Cannot vouch for the accessibility of the Yahoo email site, but
the below
>> may help with your query.
>>
>> The following should help you obtain the 'settings' menu in
Yahoo. It
>> basically tells you how to switch between the basic and full
featured
>> views,
>> but read the 'adjust your screen reader' section to learn how to
access
>> the
>> new shortcut key (;) for the 'settings' menu.
>>
>> There's a handy new keyboard shortcut, the semicolon, to access
Yahoo
>> Mail
>> Settings so you can choose the view (basic or full featured) you
prefer.
>> Switching doesn't affect your email messages, only the way
they're
>> displayed
>> and the number of commands and options you're presented with.
>>
>> Just log into Yahoo Mail as you always do, press the semicolon
key to
>> access
>> the Mail Settings, choose "Mail Version," then either
"Full-Featured" or
>> "Basic." Repeat the same steps to switch back at any time.
>>
>> Screen reader users should follow the steps below to prevent the
screen
>> reader from intercepting the Yahoo Mail Settings keyboard
shortcut:
>>
>> 1.    Log into your Yahoo Mail account;
>>
>> 2.    Adjust your Screen Reader as necessary:
>>
>> a. Using NVDA, press Insert-Spacebar to enter "focus" mode";
>>
>> b. Using JAWS, press Insert-Z to turn off the JAWS virtual
cursor;
>>
>> c. Using VoiceOver, press the left and right arrows
simultaneously to
>> turn
>> Quick Nav off;
>>
>> 3.    Press semicolon to access Yahoo Mail Settings;
>>
>> 4.    Press the Tab key several times until you hear "Mail
Version" then
>> press the Down arrow key to check (select) Full-Featured or Basic
radio
>> button;
>>
>> 5.    Press the Tab key several times to move to the Save button
and
>> press
>> the Enter key.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> John.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 19:06
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I just created a new Yahoo email account, but I can't find the
Settings
>> button so I can click on Accounts.  I need to find the, Access
your Yahoo
>> Mail elsewhere, & Select POP, & save.  What is the best way of
getting to
>> the Settings button / link?  Should I use Yahoo Maill or Mobile
Yahoo
>> Mail?
>> Thanks much.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>









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Re: Openbook 9.0 Scanning Problems

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

You probably are missing something. Did you try putting it down on the other side of the paper? Letters that have been folded by machines are often folded the wrong way, putting the printed side of a page on the outside instead of the inside. This is so aggravating, I can't tell you. Letters should be folded with the print on the inside, not the outside so everyone can read it!

It may be that whatever mail this is has been printed on colored paper. This will sometimes cause an OCR program to burp. It depends on which one you're using too. I had a problem with Kurzie once when my doctor sent me the results of a test. It wouldn't scan it at all, it gave me just gobbledeegook. So, I tried the same thing in Docuscan Plus. Docuscan Plus came up singing.

A few days later I asked my reader what was wrong with the letter because usually Kurzie is fantastic at what it does.

"Oh, Ann," she said. "The letter's printed on pink paper."

Apparently Kurzie and maybe OB has a problem with pink paper.

As I remember, you can adjust the brightness of the scan in OB that may be what you'll have to do. Wish I could be more helpful.

Have a great Thanksgiving.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
** New EMAIL: akp@...
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Openbook 9.0 Scanning Problems

John Gregory <john.gm.gregory@...>
 

No, don't have the camera, but have tried F4 and spacebar. Everything happens as it should, scanner scans, program beeps as it is scanning, scanning light returns to start when complete, camera snapshot sound is played at the end of processing. The only thing that doesn't happen is Openbook reading the document, it just announces 'current page is blank'!

John.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Allen West
Sent: 24 November 2016 03:27
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Openbook 9.0 Scanning Problems

I don't know if this will work, since I use the Pearl with OpenBook.
Try enabling the camera light with control l. Also, another option for
activating a scan is pressing the spacebar.

Allen

On 11/23/16, John Gregory <john.gm.gregory@...> wrote:
Hi,



Question for those who use Openbook 9.0.



When I place a letter on the scanner bed and press F4 to scan the document:



1. It states 'Scan Initiated' and proceeds to scan;

2. After the scan is complete and processing has finished it
announces
'Current page is blank'.



I know for certain the page isn't blank, so what is going on with the
program? I haven't changed any settings, the program recognises my MF
printer/scanner and, to all intents and purposes, completes the scan.



Am I missing something here? Any help welcome.



P.S. It is not my scanner as document recognition works perfectly fine in
Omnipage, but Omnipage is normally a two stage process and Openbook, when
it
works, is probably quicker.



John.




Re: Openbook 9.0 Scanning Problems

John Gregory <john.gm.gregory@...>
 

Hi Mike,

Appears to do it with all documents I have tried. Can't figure it out, but
will keep trying.

John.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B.
Sent: 24 November 2016 01:39
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Openbook 9.0 Scanning Problems

Hi John,

Does OB9 do this for all documents, or just 1 in particular?
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 3:16 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Openbook 9.0 Scanning Problems


Hi,



Question for those who use Openbook 9.0.



When I place a letter on the scanner bed and press F4 to scan the document:



1. It states 'Scan Initiated' and proceeds to scan;

2. After the scan is complete and processing has finished it announces
'Current page is blank'.



I know for certain the page isn't blank, so what is going on with the
program? I haven't changed any settings, the program recognises my MF
printer/scanner and, to all intents and purposes, completes the scan.



Am I missing something here? Any help welcome.



P.S. It is not my scanner as document recognition works perfectly fine in
Omnipage, but Omnipage is normally a two stage process and Openbook, when it
works, is probably quicker.



John.


How accessible is the Kindle Fire tablets?

Loy
 

I looking to buy  the fire table from Amazon. Good sale today. How accessible is it? and does the NLS app work on it?


Re: talking tv sets, a different idea

Mike Thomas
 


In setting up mine, Gene, I know it did an OTA scan and a cable channel scan.  The TV will ask for your zip code, and then scan for local channels in your area.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

But if people don't have cable, will it scan over air signals and allow you to do so in an accessible manner? 
 
I'm pleased that the television has the accessibility features you describe but it isn't clear if they extend to on air reception.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris G
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

Hi,

The 2016 Samsung TV's have voice guide built in.

When setting up the TV for the first time, it will scan the connected
cable for channels.  I have Verizon FIoS local, it connects directly to
the TV without a cable box or converter connected.  I only get over the
air channels.
Because of my setup I can scan channels, connect the TV to my wifi, know
what channel I'm on as well as read the guide, among other things.

The channels and guide will not talk if you are using a cable or
satellite box.  the boxes would need to talk in order for the channels
and guide to talk.

During first time setup (at least on my TV) you hold the CC button to
enable accessibility features.  You can set up the TV independent
without sight.

also if I have an apple TV, Fire TV etc connected, the TV will tell me
when switching to the proper HDMI input.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, Nov 21, 2016 3:38 PM EST
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

What are you basing your information on?  I have never heard that before
nor was it true when I purchased a converter box.  I got my radio a
while after I had the converter box and it uses standard components used
to receive digital television signals and it won't do so either.  I
doubt that any digital over air television or converter box scans
automatically when plugged in.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:59 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


All digital TV’s automatically scan for receivable channels as soon as
you plug them in.  This is a one-time procedure that does not need to be
repeated unless the TV is moved to a different location.  Even an
audible signal strength indicator is of dubious value because with
digital TB, it’s all or nothing; there is no such thing as a weak signal
as there was with analog TV.  You either get perfect sound and picture
or nothing at all.  So if you tune to a channel and hear no sound, it
means that the signal is too weak to be received by the antenna, and so
it needs to be reoriented.  But this brings up the biggest problem with
digital TV in the first place.  Every time you change channels, you
usually have to reorient the antenna to get a receivable signal, if you
can even get one at all.  This can be a real nuisance, and is the main
reason why most cable TV customers are reluctant to “”cut the cord”.  In
the old days of analog TV, many consumers installed elaborate rooftop
antennas with rotators to optimize reception.  In most large cities,
this is no longer possible because most apartment building owners now
prohibit the installation of rooftop antennas.  So if you cannot get
decent reception with an indoor antenna,you’re out of luck, and no
amount of antenna tweaking will make muchdifference, which is just what
the cable companies want.

Gerald



*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:57 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

I don't have a digital television.  I don't know if any of them have
speech or what that speech allows you to do.  The radio does two
important things that televisions well may not do and I really don't
think a cheap lowest of the line television would.

The radio lets you scan for stations independently.  You don't have to
see a menu in order to scan or get sighted help to learn an inaccessible
sequence.  You have to scan with every new digital television so it can
find stations in your area and allow you to get to them by entering the
correct channel number.  The radio is designed to allow completely
independent scanning.

The signal strength indicator is a valuable feature.  There are some
stations that come in poorly when your antenna is in a certain position
and others that come in well.  By checking the strength indicator when
you are on a station you want to watch, you can see if you can improve
reception by trying different antenna positions.  There is no other good
way to find the strongest signal for a wide variety of stations.  I'm
sure sighted people have some sort of indicator.  When dealing with
digital signals, a blind person has no way of determining the best
signal aside from an audio indicator other than by a trial and error
system seeing if this or that station has signal interruptions and
playing with the antenna to try to prevent them.

Unless there are televisions that have these features, and I doubt there
are, the radio will remain for me a much preferred method of reception.

Gene
*----- Original Message -----*
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 12:25 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


Again, what advantage does a $185 custom-built TV radio offer over a
standard $80 digirtal TV?  None that I can see.  The fact that some guy
personally builds these gadgets himself in his basement still does not
justify its high cost.  Can this TV radio be operated without the
remote?  If not, what are you supposed to do if you lose or break the
remote?  And what recourse do you have if the TV radio itself craps
out?  Bring it to a local electronics repair shop?  I don’t think so.
Oehm Electronics doesn’t even have a web site where you can learn about
its products or obtain customer support.  You have to call their long
distance phone number and hope that Mr. Oehm isn’t on vacation or else
is otherwise unavailable.

Gerald



*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 11:37 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

You don't need speech output.  the manual clearly explains how to
perform functions without speech.  And you are overgeneralizing.  Not
every higher priced item is a ripoff and circumstances should be
considered.  This is not some large company with a large production.  it
is a one man operation, building radios in small numbers when ordered or
only enough in advance to fill a small number of anticipated orders in
advance.  The radios are worth every penny.  You can't necessarily just
add speech to something if it is not built in already at little or no
cost.  The chip used to operate the radio has no speech ability and it
is not necessary.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 9:59 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


This "accessible"TV radio seems grossly overpriced for what it offers.
For $185, you should at least expect some level of speech output.
Basically, all this box does is scan over-the -air stations into memory and
provides audible feedback to assist with antenna orientation , and that's
about it.  You still cannot identify which channel you are tuned to, and it
offers no advantage if you use a cable box.  I realize that this is a
custom-made product, but it really isn't that much more accessible than a
small-screen, basic mass-market digital TV that sells for $80 or less.
And
it is totally useless for other sighted family members in your household
because it lacks a screen.  Too bad OEHM Electronics does not offer a
small,
Walkman-style TV radio, which would certainly have more widespread consumer
appeal.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Giovanelli
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

Hello,

It is certainly true that voice guidance in TV sets is helpful, but
there is
another option.

There is a radio especially designed to guide blind people in locating and
listening to TV on-the-air programs. This DTV radio is made by Oehm
Electronics and costs $185. It is menu or command driven. One neat feature
is the ability to tell the user how strong a signal is. This is useful when
orienting the antenna. If the received signal falls below a critical level,
the user will know that the reception of that station will be marginal at
best.

This radio does not read what's on the air program information.

It seems to me to be a viable alternative to more expensive TV solutions.

Joe Giovanelli, W2PVY











Re: talking tv sets, a different idea

Mike Thomas
 

Hi Hank, I just received mine yesterday. Check Walmart Best Buy or Amazon
for pricing on a 40 inch talking Samsung Smart TV. They were on sale
earlier this week for $349.99 at Best Buy and $347.99 at Walmart. Grab
those Black Friday specials. This television sells for a MSRP of $799.99,
so this is quite a savings. The search key for this television is the model
number: UN40KU6300. Good luck and happy Thanksgiving.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


can you tell me the cheapest tv that would have the talking feature?

from samsung?
thanks
Hank

On 11/23/2016 7:52 PM, Chris G wrote:
Hi,

The 2016 Samsung TV's have voice guide built in.

When setting up the TV for the first time, it will scan the connected
cable for channels. I have Verizon FIoS local, it connects directly to
the TV without a cable box or converter connected. I only get over the
air channels.
Because of my setup I can scan channels, connect the TV to my wifi, know
what channel I'm on as well as read the guide, among other things.

The channels and guide will not talk if you are using a cable or
satellite box. the boxes would need to talk in order for the channels
and guide to talk.

During first time setup (at least on my TV) you hold the CC button to
enable accessibility features. You can set up the TV independent without
sight.

also if I have an apple TV, Fire TV etc connected, the TV will tell me
when switching to the proper HDMI input.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, Nov 21, 2016 3:38 PM EST
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

What are you basing your information on? I have never heard that before
nor was it true when I purchased a converter box. I got my radio a
while after I had the converter box and it uses standard components used
to receive digital television signals and it won't do so either. I
doubt that any digital over air television or converter box scans
automatically when plugged in.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:59 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


All digital TV’s automatically scan for receivable channels as soon as
you plug them in. This is a one-time procedure that does not need to be
repeated unless the TV is moved to a different location. Even an
audible signal strength indicator is of dubious value because with
digital TB, it’s all or nothing; there is no such thing as a weak signal
as there was with analog TV. You either get perfect sound and picture
or nothing at all. So if you tune to a channel and hear no sound, it
means that the signal is too weak to be received by the antenna, and so
it needs to be reoriented. But this brings up the biggest problem with
digital TV in the first place. Every time you change channels, you
usually have to reorient the antenna to get a receivable signal, if you
can even get one at all. This can be a real nuisance, and is the main
reason why most cable TV customers are reluctant to “”cut the cord”. In
the old days of analog TV, many consumers installed elaborate rooftop
antennas with rotators to optimize reception. In most large cities,
this is no longer possible because most apartment building owners now
prohibit the installation of rooftop antennas. So if you cannot get
decent reception with an indoor antenna,you’re out of luck, and no
amount of antenna tweaking will make muchdifference, which is just what
the cable companies want.

Gerald



*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:57 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

I don't have a digital television. I don't know if any of them have
speech or what that speech allows you to do. The radio does two
important things that televisions well may not do and I really don't
think a cheap lowest of the line television would.

The radio lets you scan for stations independently. You don't have to
see a menu in order to scan or get sighted help to learn an inaccessible
sequence. You have to scan with every new digital television so it can
find stations in your area and allow you to get to them by entering the
correct channel number. The radio is designed to allow completely
independent scanning.

The signal strength indicator is a valuable feature. There are some
stations that come in poorly when your antenna is in a certain position
and others that come in well. By checking the strength indicator when
you are on a station you want to watch, you can see if you can improve
reception by trying different antenna positions. There is no other good
way to find the strongest signal for a wide variety of stations. I'm
sure sighted people have some sort of indicator. When dealing with
digital signals, a blind person has no way of determining the best
signal aside from an audio indicator other than by a trial and error
system seeing if this or that station has signal interruptions and
playing with the antenna to try to prevent them.

Unless there are televisions that have these features, and I doubt there
are, the radio will remain for me a much preferred method of reception.

Gene
*----- Original Message -----*
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 12:25 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


Again, what advantage does a $185 custom-built TV radio offer over a
standard $80 digirtal TV? None that I can see. The fact that some guy
personally builds these gadgets himself in his basement still does not
justify its high cost. Can this TV radio be operated without the
remote? If not, what are you supposed to do if you lose or break the
remote? And what recourse do you have if the TV radio itself craps
out? Bring it to a local electronics repair shop? I don’t think so.
Oehm Electronics doesn’t even have a web site where you can learn about
its products or obtain customer support. You have to call their long
distance phone number and hope that Mr. Oehm isn’t on vacation or else
is otherwise unavailable.

Gerald



*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 11:37 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

You don't need speech output. the manual clearly explains how to
perform functions without speech. And you are overgeneralizing. Not
every higher priced item is a ripoff and circumstances should be
considered. This is not some large company with a large production. it
is a one man operation, building radios in small numbers when ordered or
only enough in advance to fill a small number of anticipated orders in
advance. The radios are worth every penny. You can't necessarily just
add speech to something if it is not built in already at little or no
cost. The chip used to operate the radio has no speech ability and it
is not necessary.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 9:59 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


This "accessible"TV radio seems grossly overpriced for what it offers.
For $185, you should at least expect some level of speech output.
Basically, all this box does is scan over-the -air stations into memory
and
provides audible feedback to assist with antenna orientation , and that's
about it. You still cannot identify which channel you are tuned to, and
it
offers no advantage if you use a cable box. I realize that this is a
custom-made product, but it really isn't that much more accessible than a
small-screen, basic mass-market digital TV that sells for $80 or less.
And
it is totally useless for other sighted family members in your household
because it lacks a screen. Too bad OEHM Electronics does not offer a
small,
Walkman-style TV radio, which would certainly have more widespread
consumer
appeal.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Giovanelli
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

Hello,

It is certainly true that voice guidance in TV sets is helpful, but
there is
another option.

There is a radio especially designed to guide blind people in locating
and
listening to TV on-the-air programs. This DTV radio is made by Oehm
Electronics and costs $185. It is menu or command driven. One neat
feature
is the ability to tell the user how strong a signal is. This is useful
when
orienting the antenna. If the received signal falls below a critical
level,
the user will know that the reception of that station will be marginal at
best.

This radio does not read what's on the air program information.

It seems to me to be a viable alternative to more expensive TV solutions.

Joe Giovanelli, W2PVY










Re: talking tv sets, a different idea

Chris G <jedikent@...>
 

You may need to contact Samsung for that info. It is my understanding all 2016 samsung TV's have the feature.




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-------- Original Message --------
From: Mich Verrier
Sent: Wednesday, Nov 23, 2016 10:43 PM EST
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

hi I to would like to know this as well and also if any of these tv's
are sold in canada? from mich.

-----Original Message----- From: The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:38 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

can you tell me the cheapest tv that would have the talking feature?

from samsung?
thanks
Hank

On 11/23/2016 7:52 PM, Chris G wrote:
Hi,

The 2016 Samsung TV's have voice guide built in.

When setting up the TV for the first time, it will scan the connected
cable for channels. I have Verizon FIoS local, it connects directly
to the TV without a cable box or converter connected. I only get over
the air channels.
Because of my setup I can scan channels, connect the TV to my wifi,
know what channel I'm on as well as read the guide, among other things.

The channels and guide will not talk if you are using a cable or
satellite box. the boxes would need to talk in order for the channels
and guide to talk.

During first time setup (at least on my TV) you hold the CC button to
enable accessibility features. You can set up the TV independent
without sight.

also if I have an apple TV, Fire TV etc connected, the TV will tell me
when switching to the proper HDMI input.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, Nov 21, 2016 3:38 PM EST
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

What are you basing your information on? I have never heard that before
nor was it true when I purchased a converter box. I got my radio a
while after I had the converter box and it uses standard components used
to receive digital television signals and it won't do so either. I
doubt that any digital over air television or converter box scans
automatically when plugged in.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:59 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


All digital TV’s automatically scan for receivable channels as soon as
you plug them in. This is a one-time procedure that does not need to be
repeated unless the TV is moved to a different location. Even an
audible signal strength indicator is of dubious value because with
digital TB, it’s all or nothing; there is no such thing as a weak signal
as there was with analog TV. You either get perfect sound and picture
or nothing at all. So if you tune to a channel and hear no sound, it
means that the signal is too weak to be received by the antenna, and so
it needs to be reoriented. But this brings up the biggest problem with
digital TV in the first place. Every time you change channels, you
usually have to reorient the antenna to get a receivable signal, if you
can even get one at all. This can be a real nuisance, and is the main
reason why most cable TV customers are reluctant to “”cut the cord”. In
the old days of analog TV, many consumers installed elaborate rooftop
antennas with rotators to optimize reception. In most large cities,
this is no longer possible because most apartment building owners now
prohibit the installation of rooftop antennas. So if you cannot get
decent reception with an indoor antenna,you’re out of luck, and no
amount of antenna tweaking will make muchdifference, which is just what
the cable companies want.

Gerald



*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:57 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

I don't have a digital television. I don't know if any of them have
speech or what that speech allows you to do. The radio does two
important things that televisions well may not do and I really don't
think a cheap lowest of the line television would.

The radio lets you scan for stations independently. You don't have to
see a menu in order to scan or get sighted help to learn an inaccessible
sequence. You have to scan with every new digital television so it can
find stations in your area and allow you to get to them by entering the
correct channel number. The radio is designed to allow completely
independent scanning.

The signal strength indicator is a valuable feature. There are some
stations that come in poorly when your antenna is in a certain position
and others that come in well. By checking the strength indicator when
you are on a station you want to watch, you can see if you can improve
reception by trying different antenna positions. There is no other good
way to find the strongest signal for a wide variety of stations. I'm
sure sighted people have some sort of indicator. When dealing with
digital signals, a blind person has no way of determining the best
signal aside from an audio indicator other than by a trial and error
system seeing if this or that station has signal interruptions and
playing with the antenna to try to prevent them.

Unless there are televisions that have these features, and I doubt there
are, the radio will remain for me a much preferred method of reception.

Gene
*----- Original Message -----*
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 12:25 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


Again, what advantage does a $185 custom-built TV radio offer over a
standard $80 digirtal TV? None that I can see. The fact that some guy
personally builds these gadgets himself in his basement still does not
justify its high cost. Can this TV radio be operated without the
remote? If not, what are you supposed to do if you lose or break the
remote? And what recourse do you have if the TV radio itself craps
out? Bring it to a local electronics repair shop? I don’t think so.
Oehm Electronics doesn’t even have a web site where you can learn about
its products or obtain customer support. You have to call their long
distance phone number and hope that Mr. Oehm isn’t on vacation or else
is otherwise unavailable.

Gerald



*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 11:37 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

You don't need speech output. the manual clearly explains how to
perform functions without speech. And you are overgeneralizing. Not
every higher priced item is a ripoff and circumstances should be
considered. This is not some large company with a large production. it
is a one man operation, building radios in small numbers when ordered or
only enough in advance to fill a small number of anticipated orders in
advance. The radios are worth every penny. You can't necessarily just
add speech to something if it is not built in already at little or no
cost. The chip used to operate the radio has no speech ability and it
is not necessary.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 9:59 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


This "accessible"TV radio seems grossly overpriced for what it offers.
For $185, you should at least expect some level of speech output.
Basically, all this box does is scan over-the -air stations into
memory and
provides audible feedback to assist with antenna orientation , and that's
about it. You still cannot identify which channel you are tuned to,
and it
offers no advantage if you use a cable box. I realize that this is a
custom-made product, but it really isn't that much more accessible than a
small-screen, basic mass-market digital TV that sells for $80 or less.
And
it is totally useless for other sighted family members in your household
because it lacks a screen. Too bad OEHM Electronics does not offer a
small,
Walkman-style TV radio, which would certainly have more widespread
consumer
appeal.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Giovanelli
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

Hello,

It is certainly true that voice guidance in TV sets is helpful, but
there is
another option.

There is a radio especially designed to guide blind people in locating
and
listening to TV on-the-air programs. This DTV radio is made by Oehm
Electronics and costs $185. It is menu or command driven. One neat
feature
is the ability to tell the user how strong a signal is. This is useful
when
orienting the antenna. If the received signal falls below a critical
level,
the user will know that the reception of that station will be marginal at
best.

This radio does not read what's on the air program information.

It seems to me to be a viable alternative to more expensive TV solutions.

Joe Giovanelli, W2PVY


Re: talking tv sets, a different idea

Chris G <jedikent@...>
 

yes it will, and yes they do.
I only described my setup, Verizon local, IE I'm paying them for local over the air channels. That is all I get.
If I connected an antenna, it would work.



Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
http://www.MysticAccess.com

Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts at:
http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com

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-------- Original Message --------
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, Nov 23, 2016 11:40 PM EST
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

But if people don't have cable, will it scan over air signals and allow
you to do so in an accessible manner?

I'm pleased that the television has the accessibility features you
describe but it isn't clear if they extend to on air reception.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Chris G <mailto:jedikent@...>
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 8:52 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

Hi,

The 2016 Samsung TV's have voice guide built in.

When setting up the TV for the first time, it will scan the connected
cable for channels. I have Verizon FIoS local, it connects directly to
the TV without a cable box or converter connected. I only get over the
air channels.
Because of my setup I can scan channels, connect the TV to my wifi, know
what channel I'm on as well as read the guide, among other things.

The channels and guide will not talk if you are using a cable or
satellite box. the boxes would need to talk in order for the channels
and guide to talk.

During first time setup (at least on my TV) you hold the CC button to
enable accessibility features. You can set up the TV independent
without sight.

also if I have an apple TV, Fire TV etc connected, the TV will tell me
when switching to the proper HDMI input.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, Nov 21, 2016 3:38 PM EST
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

What are you basing your information on? I have never heard that before
nor was it true when I purchased a converter box. I got my radio a
while after I had the converter box and it uses standard components used
to receive digital television signals and it won't do so either. I
doubt that any digital over air television or converter box scans
automatically when plugged in.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:59 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


All digital TV’s automatically scan for receivable channels as soon as
you plug them in. This is a one-time procedure that does not need to be
repeated unless the TV is moved to a different location. Even an
audible signal strength indicator is of dubious value because with
digital TB, it’s all or nothing; there is no such thing as a weak signal
as there was with analog TV. You either get perfect sound and picture
or nothing at all. So if you tune to a channel and hear no sound, it
means that the signal is too weak to be received by the antenna, and so
it needs to be reoriented. But this brings up the biggest problem with
digital TV in the first place. Every time you change channels, you
usually have to reorient the antenna to get a receivable signal, if you
can even get one at all. This can be a real nuisance, and is the main
reason why most cable TV customers are reluctant to “”cut the cord”. In
the old days of analog TV, many consumers installed elaborate rooftop
antennas with rotators to optimize reception. In most large cities,
this is no longer possible because most apartment building owners now
prohibit the installation of rooftop antennas. So if you cannot get
decent reception with an indoor antenna,you’re out of luck, and no
amount of antenna tweaking will make muchdifference, which is just what
the cable companies want.

Gerald



*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:57 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

I don't have a digital television. I don't know if any of them have
speech or what that speech allows you to do. The radio does two
important things that televisions well may not do and I really don't
think a cheap lowest of the line television would.

The radio lets you scan for stations independently. You don't have to
see a menu in order to scan or get sighted help to learn an inaccessible
sequence. You have to scan with every new digital television so it can
find stations in your area and allow you to get to them by entering the
correct channel number. The radio is designed to allow completely
independent scanning.

The signal strength indicator is a valuable feature. There are some
stations that come in poorly when your antenna is in a certain position
and others that come in well. By checking the strength indicator when
you are on a station you want to watch, you can see if you can improve
reception by trying different antenna positions. There is no other good
way to find the strongest signal for a wide variety of stations. I'm
sure sighted people have some sort of indicator. When dealing with
digital signals, a blind person has no way of determining the best
signal aside from an audio indicator other than by a trial and error
system seeing if this or that station has signal interruptions and
playing with the antenna to try to prevent them.

Unless there are televisions that have these features, and I doubt there
are, the radio will remain for me a much preferred method of reception.

Gene
*----- Original Message -----*
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 12:25 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


Again, what advantage does a $185 custom-built TV radio offer over a
standard $80 digirtal TV? None that I can see. The fact that some guy
personally builds these gadgets himself in his basement still does not
justify its high cost. Can this TV radio be operated without the
remote? If not, what are you supposed to do if you lose or break the
remote? And what recourse do you have if the TV radio itself craps
out? Bring it to a local electronics repair shop? I don’t think so.
Oehm Electronics doesn’t even have a web site where you can learn about
its products or obtain customer support. You have to call their long
distance phone number and hope that Mr. Oehm isn’t on vacation or else
is otherwise unavailable.

Gerald



*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 11:37 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

You don't need speech output. the manual clearly explains how to
perform functions without speech. And you are overgeneralizing. Not
every higher priced item is a ripoff and circumstances should be
considered. This is not some large company with a large production. it
is a one man operation, building radios in small numbers when ordered or
only enough in advance to fill a small number of anticipated orders in
advance. The radios are worth every penny. You can't necessarily just
add speech to something if it is not built in already at little or no
cost. The chip used to operate the radio has no speech ability and it
is not necessary.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 9:59 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


This "accessible"TV radio seems grossly overpriced for what it offers.
For $185, you should at least expect some level of speech output.
Basically, all this box does is scan over-the -air stations into memory and
provides audible feedback to assist with antenna orientation , and that's
about it. You still cannot identify which channel you are tuned to, and it
offers no advantage if you use a cable box. I realize that this is a
custom-made product, but it really isn't that much more accessible than a
small-screen, basic mass-market digital TV that sells for $80 or less.
And
it is totally useless for other sighted family members in your household
because it lacks a screen. Too bad OEHM Electronics does not offer a
small,
Walkman-style TV radio, which would certainly have more widespread consumer
appeal.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Giovanelli
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

Hello,

It is certainly true that voice guidance in TV sets is helpful, but
there is
another option.

There is a radio especially designed to guide blind people in locating and
listening to TV on-the-air programs. This DTV radio is made by Oehm
Electronics and costs $185. It is menu or command driven. One neat feature
is the ability to tell the user how strong a signal is. This is useful when
orienting the antenna. If the received signal falls below a critical level,
the user will know that the reception of that station will be marginal at
best.

This radio does not read what's on the air program information.

It seems to me to be a viable alternative to more expensive TV solutions.

Joe Giovanelli, W2PVY


Re: talking tv sets, a different idea

Chris G <jedikent@...>
 

Hi,
One can connect to ones WIFI and setup the TV independently without site. This includes setting up the wifi connection.

You can search on Youtube and start playing the videos. You can't rewind, fast forward as it says voice guide is not supported, you can back out and play another youtube video though.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-32-class-31-5-diag--led-1080p-smart-hdtv-silver/4380083.p?id=1219627838276&skuId=4380083

Here is a podcast demonstrating the voice of the TV:
http://media.blubrry.com/assistivetech/p/www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/audio/mp121AlexaGoodies.mp3







Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
http://www.MysticAccess.com

Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts at:
http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com

Join our free announce-only mailing list to receive product news, podcast updates and exclusive coupon codes. Please send a blank email to:

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Contact:

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Facebook: mysticaccessempower

-------- Original Message --------
From: Dennis L
Sent: Thursday, Nov 24, 2016 5:07 AM EST
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

Hi, a few more questions. 1 can you configure Wi-Fi on the TV yourself. In other words are you able to type in your password with out sighted assistance? When on the internet with the TV will it read what is coming across the internet?
Where can you purchase this at? Links would be appreciated. Is the speech us English or British English? Thanks for your help.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris G
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

Hi,

The 2016 Samsung TV's have voice guide built in.

When setting up the TV for the first time, it will scan the connected cable for channels. I have Verizon FIoS local, it connects directly to the TV without a cable box or converter connected. I only get over the air channels.
Because of my setup I can scan channels, connect the TV to my wifi, know what channel I'm on as well as read the guide, among other things.

The channels and guide will not talk if you are using a cable or satellite box. the boxes would need to talk in order for the channels and guide to talk.

During first time setup (at least on my TV) you hold the CC button to enable accessibility features. You can set up the TV independent without sight.

also if I have an apple TV, Fire TV etc connected, the TV will tell me when switching to the proper HDMI input.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, Nov 21, 2016 3:38 PM EST
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

What are you basing your information on? I have never heard that before nor was it true when I purchased a converter box. I got my radio a while after I had the converter box and it uses standard components used to receive digital television signals and it won't do so either. I doubt that any digital over air television or converter box scans automatically when plugged in.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:59 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


All digital TV’s automatically scan for receivable channels as soon as you plug them in. This is a one-time procedure that does not need to be repeated unless the TV is moved to a different location. Even an audible signal strength indicator is of dubious value because with digital TB, it’s all or nothing; there is no such thing as a weak signal as there was with analog TV. You either get perfect sound and picture or nothing at all. So if you tune to a channel and hear no sound, it means that the signal is too weak to be received by the antenna, and so it needs to be reoriented. But this brings up the biggest problem with digital TV in the first place. Every time you change channels, you usually have to reorient the antenna to get a receivable signal, if you can even get one at all. This can be a real nuisance, and is the main reason why most cable TV customers are reluctant to “”cut the cord”. In the old days of analog TV, many consumers installed elaborate rooftop antennas with rotators to optimize reception. In most large cities, this is no longer possible because most apartment building owners now prohibit the installation of rooftop antennas. So if you cannot get decent reception with an indoor antenna,you’re out of luck, and no amount of antenna tweaking will make muchdifference, which is just what the cable companies want.

Gerald



*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:57 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

I don't have a digital television. I don't know if any of them have speech or what that speech allows you to do. The radio does two important things that televisions well may not do and I really don't think a cheap lowest of the line television would.

The radio lets you scan for stations independently. You don't have to see a menu in order to scan or get sighted help to learn an inaccessible sequence. You have to scan with every new digital television so it can find stations in your area and allow you to get to them by entering the correct channel number. The radio is designed to allow completely independent scanning.

The signal strength indicator is a valuable feature. There are some stations that come in poorly when your antenna is in a certain position and others that come in well. By checking the strength indicator when you are on a station you want to watch, you can see if you can improve reception by trying different antenna positions. There is no other good way to find the strongest signal for a wide variety of stations. I'm sure sighted people have some sort of indicator. When dealing with digital signals, a blind person has no way of determining the best signal aside from an audio indicator other than by a trial and error system seeing if this or that station has signal interruptions and playing with the antenna to try to prevent them.

Unless there are televisions that have these features, and I doubt there are, the radio will remain for me a much preferred method of reception.

Gene
*----- Original Message -----*
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 12:25 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


Again, what advantage does a $185 custom-built TV radio offer over a standard $80 digirtal TV? None that I can see. The fact that some guy personally builds these gadgets himself in his basement still does not justify its high cost. Can this TV radio be operated without the remote? If not, what are you supposed to do if you lose or break the remote? And what recourse do you have if the TV radio itself craps out? Bring it to a local electronics repair shop? I don’t think so.
Oehm Electronics doesn’t even have a web site where you can learn about its products or obtain customer support. You have to call their long distance phone number and hope that Mr. Oehm isn’t on vacation or else is otherwise unavailable.

Gerald



*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 11:37 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

You don't need speech output. the manual clearly explains how to perform functions without speech. And you are overgeneralizing. Not every higher priced item is a ripoff and circumstances should be considered. This is not some large company with a large production. it is a one man operation, building radios in small numbers when ordered or only enough in advance to fill a small number of anticipated orders in advance. The radios are worth every penny. You can't necessarily just add speech to something if it is not built in already at little or no cost. The chip used to operate the radio has no speech ability and it is not necessary.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 9:59 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


This "accessible"TV radio seems grossly overpriced for what it offers.
For $185, you should at least expect some level of speech output.
Basically, all this box does is scan over-the -air stations into memory and provides audible feedback to assist with antenna orientation , and that's about it. You still cannot identify which channel you are tuned to, and it offers no advantage if you use a cable box. I realize that this is a custom-made product, but it really isn't that much more accessible than a small-screen, basic mass-market digital TV that sells for $80 or less.
And
it is totally useless for other sighted family members in your household because it lacks a screen. Too bad OEHM Electronics does not offer a small, Walkman-style TV radio, which would certainly have more widespread consumer appeal.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Giovanelli
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

Hello,

It is certainly true that voice guidance in TV sets is helpful, but there is another option.

There is a radio especially designed to guide blind people in locating and listening to TV on-the-air programs. This DTV radio is made by Oehm Electronics and costs $185. It is menu or command driven. One neat feature is the ability to tell the user how strong a signal is. This is useful when orienting the antenna. If the received signal falls below a critical level, the user will know that the reception of that station will be marginal at best.

This radio does not read what's on the air program information.

It seems to me to be a viable alternative to more expensive TV solutions.

Joe Giovanelli, W2PVY


Re: talking tv sets, a different idea

Dennis L
 

Hi, a few more questions. 1 can you configure Wi-Fi on the TV yourself. In other words are you able to type in your password with out sighted assistance? When on the internet with the TV will it read what is coming across the internet?
Where can you purchase this at? Links would be appreciated. Is the speech us English or British English? Thanks for your help.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris G
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

Hi,

The 2016 Samsung TV's have voice guide built in.

When setting up the TV for the first time, it will scan the connected cable for channels. I have Verizon FIoS local, it connects directly to the TV without a cable box or converter connected. I only get over the air channels.
Because of my setup I can scan channels, connect the TV to my wifi, know what channel I'm on as well as read the guide, among other things.

The channels and guide will not talk if you are using a cable or satellite box. the boxes would need to talk in order for the channels and guide to talk.

During first time setup (at least on my TV) you hold the CC button to enable accessibility features. You can set up the TV independent without sight.

also if I have an apple TV, Fire TV etc connected, the TV will tell me when switching to the proper HDMI input.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, Nov 21, 2016 3:38 PM EST
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

What are you basing your information on? I have never heard that before nor was it true when I purchased a converter box. I got my radio a while after I had the converter box and it uses standard components used to receive digital television signals and it won't do so either. I doubt that any digital over air television or converter box scans automatically when plugged in.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:59 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


All digital TV’s automatically scan for receivable channels as soon as you plug them in. This is a one-time procedure that does not need to be repeated unless the TV is moved to a different location. Even an audible signal strength indicator is of dubious value because with digital TB, it’s all or nothing; there is no such thing as a weak signal as there was with analog TV. You either get perfect sound and picture or nothing at all. So if you tune to a channel and hear no sound, it means that the signal is too weak to be received by the antenna, and so it needs to be reoriented. But this brings up the biggest problem with digital TV in the first place. Every time you change channels, you usually have to reorient the antenna to get a receivable signal, if you can even get one at all. This can be a real nuisance, and is the main reason why most cable TV customers are reluctant to “”cut the cord”. In the old days of analog TV, many consumers installed elaborate rooftop antennas with rotators to optimize reception. In most large cities, this is no longer possible because most apartment building owners now prohibit the installation of rooftop antennas. So if you cannot get decent reception with an indoor antenna,you’re out of luck, and no amount of antenna tweaking will make muchdifference, which is just what the cable companies want.

Gerald



*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:57 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

I don't have a digital television. I don't know if any of them have speech or what that speech allows you to do. The radio does two important things that televisions well may not do and I really don't think a cheap lowest of the line television would.

The radio lets you scan for stations independently. You don't have to see a menu in order to scan or get sighted help to learn an inaccessible sequence. You have to scan with every new digital television so it can find stations in your area and allow you to get to them by entering the correct channel number. The radio is designed to allow completely independent scanning.

The signal strength indicator is a valuable feature. There are some stations that come in poorly when your antenna is in a certain position and others that come in well. By checking the strength indicator when you are on a station you want to watch, you can see if you can improve reception by trying different antenna positions. There is no other good way to find the strongest signal for a wide variety of stations. I'm sure sighted people have some sort of indicator. When dealing with digital signals, a blind person has no way of determining the best signal aside from an audio indicator other than by a trial and error system seeing if this or that station has signal interruptions and playing with the antenna to try to prevent them.

Unless there are televisions that have these features, and I doubt there are, the radio will remain for me a much preferred method of reception.

Gene
*----- Original Message -----*
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 12:25 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


Again, what advantage does a $185 custom-built TV radio offer over a standard $80 digirtal TV? None that I can see. The fact that some guy personally builds these gadgets himself in his basement still does not justify its high cost. Can this TV radio be operated without the remote? If not, what are you supposed to do if you lose or break the remote? And what recourse do you have if the TV radio itself craps out? Bring it to a local electronics repair shop? I don’t think so.
Oehm Electronics doesn’t even have a web site where you can learn about its products or obtain customer support. You have to call their long distance phone number and hope that Mr. Oehm isn’t on vacation or else is otherwise unavailable.

Gerald



*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 11:37 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

You don't need speech output. the manual clearly explains how to perform functions without speech. And you are overgeneralizing. Not every higher priced item is a ripoff and circumstances should be considered. This is not some large company with a large production. it is a one man operation, building radios in small numbers when ordered or only enough in advance to fill a small number of anticipated orders in advance. The radios are worth every penny. You can't necessarily just add speech to something if it is not built in already at little or no cost. The chip used to operate the radio has no speech ability and it is not necessary.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 9:59 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


This "accessible"TV radio seems grossly overpriced for what it offers.
For $185, you should at least expect some level of speech output.
Basically, all this box does is scan over-the -air stations into memory and provides audible feedback to assist with antenna orientation , and that's about it. You still cannot identify which channel you are tuned to, and it offers no advantage if you use a cable box. I realize that this is a custom-made product, but it really isn't that much more accessible than a small-screen, basic mass-market digital TV that sells for $80 or less.
And
it is totally useless for other sighted family members in your household because it lacks a screen. Too bad OEHM Electronics does not offer a small, Walkman-style TV radio, which would certainly have more widespread consumer appeal.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Giovanelli
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

Hello,

It is certainly true that voice guidance in TV sets is helpful, but there is another option.

There is a radio especially designed to guide blind people in locating and listening to TV on-the-air programs. This DTV radio is made by Oehm Electronics and costs $185. It is menu or command driven. One neat feature is the ability to tell the user how strong a signal is. This is useful when orienting the antenna. If the received signal falls below a critical level, the user will know that the reception of that station will be marginal at best.

This radio does not read what's on the air program information.

It seems to me to be a viable alternative to more expensive TV solutions.

Joe Giovanelli, W2PVY


Re: talking tv sets, a different idea

Dennis L
 

Chris what model do you have?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris G
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

Hi,

The 2016 Samsung TV's have voice guide built in.

When setting up the TV for the first time, it will scan the connected cable for channels. I have Verizon FIoS local, it connects directly to the TV without a cable box or converter connected. I only get over the air channels.
Because of my setup I can scan channels, connect the TV to my wifi, know what channel I'm on as well as read the guide, among other things.

The channels and guide will not talk if you are using a cable or satellite box. the boxes would need to talk in order for the channels and guide to talk.

During first time setup (at least on my TV) you hold the CC button to enable accessibility features. You can set up the TV independent without sight.

also if I have an apple TV, Fire TV etc connected, the TV will tell me when switching to the proper HDMI input.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, Nov 21, 2016 3:38 PM EST
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

What are you basing your information on? I have never heard that before nor was it true when I purchased a converter box. I got my radio a while after I had the converter box and it uses standard components used to receive digital television signals and it won't do so either. I doubt that any digital over air television or converter box scans automatically when plugged in.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:59 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


All digital TV’s automatically scan for receivable channels as soon as you plug them in. This is a one-time procedure that does not need to be repeated unless the TV is moved to a different location. Even an audible signal strength indicator is of dubious value because with digital TB, it’s all or nothing; there is no such thing as a weak signal as there was with analog TV. You either get perfect sound and picture or nothing at all. So if you tune to a channel and hear no sound, it means that the signal is too weak to be received by the antenna, and so it needs to be reoriented. But this brings up the biggest problem with digital TV in the first place. Every time you change channels, you usually have to reorient the antenna to get a receivable signal, if you can even get one at all. This can be a real nuisance, and is the main reason why most cable TV customers are reluctant to “”cut the cord”. In the old days of analog TV, many consumers installed elaborate rooftop antennas with rotators to optimize reception. In most large cities, this is no longer possible because most apartment building owners now prohibit the installation of rooftop antennas. So if you cannot get decent reception with an indoor antenna,you’re out of luck, and no amount of antenna tweaking will make muchdifference, which is just what the cable companies want.

Gerald



*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:57 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

I don't have a digital television. I don't know if any of them have speech or what that speech allows you to do. The radio does two important things that televisions well may not do and I really don't think a cheap lowest of the line television would.

The radio lets you scan for stations independently. You don't have to see a menu in order to scan or get sighted help to learn an inaccessible sequence. You have to scan with every new digital television so it can find stations in your area and allow you to get to them by entering the correct channel number. The radio is designed to allow completely independent scanning.

The signal strength indicator is a valuable feature. There are some stations that come in poorly when your antenna is in a certain position and others that come in well. By checking the strength indicator when you are on a station you want to watch, you can see if you can improve reception by trying different antenna positions. There is no other good way to find the strongest signal for a wide variety of stations. I'm sure sighted people have some sort of indicator. When dealing with digital signals, a blind person has no way of determining the best signal aside from an audio indicator other than by a trial and error system seeing if this or that station has signal interruptions and playing with the antenna to try to prevent them.

Unless there are televisions that have these features, and I doubt there are, the radio will remain for me a much preferred method of reception.

Gene
*----- Original Message -----*
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 12:25 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


Again, what advantage does a $185 custom-built TV radio offer over a standard $80 digirtal TV? None that I can see. The fact that some guy personally builds these gadgets himself in his basement still does not justify its high cost. Can this TV radio be operated without the remote? If not, what are you supposed to do if you lose or break the remote? And what recourse do you have if the TV radio itself craps out? Bring it to a local electronics repair shop? I don’t think so.
Oehm Electronics doesn’t even have a web site where you can learn about its products or obtain customer support. You have to call their long distance phone number and hope that Mr. Oehm isn’t on vacation or else is otherwise unavailable.

Gerald



*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 11:37 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

You don't need speech output. the manual clearly explains how to perform functions without speech. And you are overgeneralizing. Not every higher priced item is a ripoff and circumstances should be considered. This is not some large company with a large production. it is a one man operation, building radios in small numbers when ordered or only enough in advance to fill a small number of anticipated orders in advance. The radios are worth every penny. You can't necessarily just add speech to something if it is not built in already at little or no cost. The chip used to operate the radio has no speech ability and it is not necessary.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 9:59 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


This "accessible"TV radio seems grossly overpriced for what it offers.
For $185, you should at least expect some level of speech output.
Basically, all this box does is scan over-the -air stations into memory and provides audible feedback to assist with antenna orientation , and that's about it. You still cannot identify which channel you are tuned to, and it offers no advantage if you use a cable box. I realize that this is a custom-made product, but it really isn't that much more accessible than a small-screen, basic mass-market digital TV that sells for $80 or less.
And
it is totally useless for other sighted family members in your household because it lacks a screen. Too bad OEHM Electronics does not offer a small, Walkman-style TV radio, which would certainly have more widespread consumer appeal.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Giovanelli
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

Hello,

It is certainly true that voice guidance in TV sets is helpful, but there is another option.

There is a radio especially designed to guide blind people in locating and listening to TV on-the-air programs. This DTV radio is made by Oehm Electronics and costs $185. It is menu or command driven. One neat feature is the ability to tell the user how strong a signal is. This is useful when orienting the antenna. If the received signal falls below a critical level, the user will know that the reception of that station will be marginal at best.

This radio does not read what's on the air program information.

It seems to me to be a viable alternative to more expensive TV solutions.

Joe Giovanelli, W2PVY


Re: New Yahoo Account

Kimsan
 

Hahaha, I’ve been working on this since you last sent your response Carlos which says 7:18. I need a life don’t I?

In any rate, after following googles instructions and yours failing miserably, I think the issue was not knowing which was on or off. It had to be blue, instead of gray?

So to clarify, I didn’t fail miserably cause of your instructions, I just got the gray and blue backwards.

Now, my next project which is to have all the emails go into one inbox, as I have a buck load of email accounts lol.

I’ve done it before but not sure if outlook 2016 will play hard to get, though.

Thanks boss.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Note that you still have to enable Yahoo POP access for these settings to work.

 

POP server: pop.mail.yahoo.com
POP port: 995
POP SSL/TLS: yes
POP username: your full Yahoo! Mail email address
POP password: your Yahoo! Mail password
SMTP server: smtp.mail.yahoo.com
SMTP port: 465 (try 587 as an alternative if 465 yields errors)
SMTP SSL/TLS: yes
SMTP authentication: yes
SMTP username: your full Yahoo! Mail email address
SMTP password: your Yahoo! Mail password

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

I spoke to yahoo tech support this morning, and each conversation I had with them concerning what Mike was doing, they hung up on me lol.

They should be renamed to yayhoo.com.

Does anyone have info for the server info etc for pop or imap relating to yayhoo mail?

 

Thanks.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B. via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Hi Pam,

 

Have you ever talked to someone & got the feeling that they were very uncomfortable talking to a blind person?!  Well, I got this feeling as soon as I told the 1st dude that answered the phone that I was blind & explained why I needed their help.  Dude #1 told me that he has never talked to a blind person that used a computer.  I'm not going to go into a blow by blow, but after I showed dude #1 that the problem wasn't on my computer, he couldn't help me, so he got a supervisor on the phone.  When I showed the supervisor my Outlook Express Yahoo properties settings, & explained what I needed, he knew exactly what I was wanting from them, & during this exchange I also got a very strong feeling that the supervisor also felt uncomfortable talking to a blind person.  This is why I think the supervisor didn't want to spend any extra time on the phone with me trying to explain how / what he had done.

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

That guy sounded like he was on a power trip.  Everybody has to call him to get the help!  (as he puffs out his stomach)  Pam.

 

From: Mike B.

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Hi John,

 

I tried very hard to get the supervisor to tell me exactly how he changed the necessary setting, but as hard as I tried, it just wasn't going to happen!  I trried explaining to him that many blind / visually impaired could benefit from his knowledge, but he just said to have anyone having problems on the Yahoo website, call Yahoo tech support.  Well, I tried from a couple of other angles, but again, no such luck.  Thanks for your input.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: John Gregory

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:26 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Hi Mike,

It's great to hear that you have resolved the problem. Pity they are not
more tech aware. So, I take it from your message that there is nothing we
can do to resolve the problem ourselves and have to ring Yahoo CS? As I'm in
the UK the phone number doesn't help, but I'm not that interested in the
Yahoo account anyway.

As for the CS that didn't believe you were actually blind and using a
computer, I can tell a similar story about an Ebay seller who actually
blocked me from buying from him because I asked too many questions about his
computer product and he didn't believe that I was totally blind and knew so
much about computers! He didn't want me to leave negative feedback, so he
blocked me - should have more confidence in his items! After all these years
I'm still surprised at the ignorance of certain people - should really know
better I guess.

Take care.

John.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B.
Sent: 18 November 2016 19:00
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Carlos & John,
 
Well, I had a low vision friend try to find the POP setting without any
luck, so he gave me the tech support phone number for Yahoo.  It was a bitch
at 1st because the dude didn't believe I was blind & using a computer so, I
had to prove it to the A'Hole.  LOL  There was a bit of a language barrier,
but we managed to get around that to the point of, them having to get a
supervisor on the phone with me.  The 1st dude had logged onto my computer &
when the supervisor got on with me he was able to understand the setting
that needed to be changed, & here's the message they sent, as a confirmation
of sorts I guess.
 
YAHOO 
 
 
Hi Mike,
 
You just allowed apps that may use a less secure sign-in method to access
your Yahoo account mibru9902. This change allows email applications that do
not meet Yahoo's recommended security standards to access your account and
may leave your account more vulnerable to security risks.
 
 
Okay,my new email is now working, & here's their tech support phone #:
1-800-385-4304,
if anyone happens to need it.
 
If anyone has to call them regarding this same problem be prepared to
explain many times that the setting that needs to be changed is on their
server, & not on your computer if you already have the account set-up.  They
didn't believe that the setting was on their server until I showed them I
had the account on the computer configured correctly, & that the setting on
the server had to be activated so the server & my email client could
communicate.
 
Oh well, everything is good now.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Mike,
Generally when you are asked to click something and the type of mouse click
is not specified, a single left click should be assumed.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B. <mailto:mwb5781@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Carlos,

In the instructions given from the link you posted, it says,
Click Edit next to the desired Yahoo! Mail address under Yahoo
account.
Is clicking edit a right mouse click?  If not, what would it be?
Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

also, finding instructions for enabling it was not difficult, but
the
impression I am getting is that the procedure may simply not be very

accessible.  Although as I said I do not currently have a Yahoo
account so I
have not had the opportunity to test this myself.  See the following

article.
https://www.lifewire.com/access-yahoo-mail-account-via-pop-1170876
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account


> Yahoo is offering free POP access again now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Gregory" <john.gm.gregory@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I was searching around the Internet to see if I could  find out
how to
>> solve
>> this problem, I too am getting the pop up dialog asking for my
password
>> etc,
>> and the only thing I could find is something which said you can
only
>> enable
>> pop messaging to download to Outlook or other email clients if
you have a
>> 'paid' account, otherwise the 'free' account only uses imap.
However,
>> that
>> blog was from 2013 and I don't know if that is still the case as
I didn't
>> see anything on Yahoo website to indicate paid or free, only the
free
>> signup. It also said that to enable pop you had to be in the
'full
>> feature'
>> browser view to enable it in settings.
>>
>> Will do some more investigative work and see if I can resolve the
issue.
>>
>> BTW, thanks for the Firefox tip, I'll try that and see if it is
any
>> better
>> than IE.
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 18 November 2016 01:57
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> If you're running Internet Explorer you won't find it.  You need
to run
>> Firefox.  A friend of mine got a Yahoo account going for my wife
& told
>> me
>> that Firefox had to be used to get to that option.  This friend
had
>> surgery
>> yesterday & won't be available fora while so, I won't be able to
get any
>> more answers until he feels better.  I'll let you know if I have
any
>> success
>> beforehand.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Yes, know what you mean, I have been looking for that checkbox
for ages!
>> It
>> says you can allow less secure 3rd party clients if you so wish,
but at
>> your
>> own risk. However, it doesn't appear to provide the means of
doing it!
>> This
>> is in your Account Security link.
>>
>> If you find it, let me know and I'll do the same for you.
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 23:11
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I have the settings, but I just need to access an option that
will allow
>> my
>> Outlook Express client to receive email from the Yahoo server
using POP3.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Is it the pop settings you want in order to set up the account in

>> Outlook?
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 21:36
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Here's what I'm trying to do.  I'm trying to enable my Outlook
Express
>> using
>> POP3 to get the mail from Yahoo following the steps below.
>>
>> Step 1: Enable Yahoo Mail for POP access
>> list of 5 items
>> In
>> Yahoo Mail,
>> mouse over the Settings icon  | Click Settings.
>> Click Accounts.
>> Under Email addresses, click on your Yahoo account name.
>> Go to the bottom of the page under "Access your Yahoo Mail
elsewhere" |
>> Select POP.
>> Click Save.
>>
>> Here's the problem.  I've figured out how to get to settings /
>> accounts....,
>> but when I get here,
>> Go to the bottom of the page under "Access your Yahoo Mail
elsewhere" |
>> Select POP.
>>
>> I'm not getting the POP option!  Any suggestions?
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Cannot vouch for the accessibility of the Yahoo email site, but
the below
>> may help with your query.
>>
>> The following should help you obtain the 'settings' menu in
Yahoo. It
>> basically tells you how to switch between the basic and full
featured
>> views,
>> but read the 'adjust your screen reader' section to learn how to
access
>> the
>> new shortcut key (;) for the 'settings' menu.
>>
>> There's a handy new keyboard shortcut, the semicolon, to access
Yahoo
>> Mail
>> Settings so you can choose the view (basic or full featured) you
prefer.
>> Switching doesn't affect your email messages, only the way
they're
>> displayed
>> and the number of commands and options you're presented with.
>>
>> Just log into Yahoo Mail as you always do, press the semicolon
key to
>> access
>> the Mail Settings, choose "Mail Version," then either
"Full-Featured" or
>> "Basic." Repeat the same steps to switch back at any time.
>>
>> Screen reader users should follow the steps below to prevent the
screen
>> reader from intercepting the Yahoo Mail Settings keyboard
shortcut:
>>
>> 1.    Log into your Yahoo Mail account;
>>
>> 2.    Adjust your Screen Reader as necessary:
>>
>> a. Using NVDA, press Insert-Spacebar to enter "focus" mode";
>>
>> b. Using JAWS, press Insert-Z to turn off the JAWS virtual
cursor;
>>
>> c. Using VoiceOver, press the left and right arrows
simultaneously to
>> turn
>> Quick Nav off;
>>
>> 3.    Press semicolon to access Yahoo Mail Settings;
>>
>> 4.    Press the Tab key several times until you hear "Mail
Version" then
>> press the Down arrow key to check (select) Full-Featured or Basic
radio
>> button;
>>
>> 5.    Press the Tab key several times to move to the Save button
and
>> press
>> the Enter key.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> John.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 19:06
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I just created a new Yahoo email account, but I can't find the
Settings
>> button so I can click on Accounts.  I need to find the, Access
your Yahoo
>> Mail elsewhere, & Select POP, & save.  What is the best way of
getting to
>> the Settings button / link?  Should I use Yahoo Maill or Mobile
Yahoo
>> Mail?
>> Thanks much.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>









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talking set boxes uverse

heather albright
 

Hello, I was told today that uverse has talking DVRS from a sales rep. Is this true? He kept going on and on about it. But I have never seen anything on it online and they still do not have an accessibility number for that department; if they even have an accessibility department! Anyone have uvers can tell me if all this is true or not! Thanks Heather


Re: New Yahoo Account

Kimsan
 

Just use SpankTheGansta@....

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 8:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

I haven't felt motivated to take the challenge because coming up with new Email addresses is tedious.  Most good user names are taken and I'm not good at thinking up new ones so I don't have the patience.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:48 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Thanks.

I just wanted them on hand for the day I am successful lol.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Note that you still have to enable Yahoo POP access for these settings to work.

 

POP server: pop.mail.yahoo.com
POP port: 995
POP SSL/TLS: yes
POP username: your full Yahoo! Mail email address
POP password: your Yahoo! Mail password
SMTP server: smtp.mail.yahoo.com
SMTP port: 465 (try 587 as an alternative if 465 yields errors)
SMTP SSL/TLS: yes
SMTP authentication: yes
SMTP username: your full Yahoo! Mail email address
SMTP password: your Yahoo! Mail password

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

I spoke to yahoo tech support this morning, and each conversation I had with them concerning what Mike was doing, they hung up on me lol.

They should be renamed to yayhoo.com.

Does anyone have info for the server info etc for pop or imap relating to yayhoo mail?

 

Thanks.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B. via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Hi Pam,

 

Have you ever talked to someone & got the feeling that they were very uncomfortable talking to a blind person?!  Well, I got this feeling as soon as I told the 1st dude that answered the phone that I was blind & explained why I needed their help.  Dude #1 told me that he has never talked to a blind person that used a computer.  I'm not going to go into a blow by blow, but after I showed dude #1 that the problem wasn't on my computer, he couldn't help me, so he got a supervisor on the phone.  When I showed the supervisor my Outlook Express Yahoo properties settings, & explained what I needed, he knew exactly what I was wanting from them, & during this exchange I also got a very strong feeling that the supervisor also felt uncomfortable talking to a blind person.  This is why I think the supervisor didn't want to spend any extra time on the phone with me trying to explain how / what he had done.

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

That guy sounded like he was on a power trip.  Everybody has to call him to get the help!  (as he puffs out his stomach)  Pam.

 

From: Mike B.

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Hi John,

 

I tried very hard to get the supervisor to tell me exactly how he changed the necessary setting, but as hard as I tried, it just wasn't going to happen!  I trried explaining to him that many blind / visually impaired could benefit from his knowledge, but he just said to have anyone having problems on the Yahoo website, call Yahoo tech support.  Well, I tried from a couple of other angles, but again, no such luck.  Thanks for your input.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: John Gregory

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:26 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Hi Mike,

It's great to hear that you have resolved the problem. Pity they are not
more tech aware. So, I take it from your message that there is nothing we
can do to resolve the problem ourselves and have to ring Yahoo CS? As I'm in
the UK the phone number doesn't help, but I'm not that interested in the
Yahoo account anyway.

As for the CS that didn't believe you were actually blind and using a
computer, I can tell a similar story about an Ebay seller who actually
blocked me from buying from him because I asked too many questions about his
computer product and he didn't believe that I was totally blind and knew so
much about computers! He didn't want me to leave negative feedback, so he
blocked me - should have more confidence in his items! After all these years
I'm still surprised at the ignorance of certain people - should really know
better I guess.

Take care.

John.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B.
Sent: 18 November 2016 19:00
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Carlos & John,
 
Well, I had a low vision friend try to find the POP setting without any
luck, so he gave me the tech support phone number for Yahoo.  It was a bitch
at 1st because the dude didn't believe I was blind & using a computer so, I
had to prove it to the A'Hole.  LOL  There was a bit of a language barrier,
but we managed to get around that to the point of, them having to get a
supervisor on the phone with me.  The 1st dude had logged onto my computer &
when the supervisor got on with me he was able to understand the setting
that needed to be changed, & here's the message they sent, as a confirmation
of sorts I guess.
 
YAHOO 
 
 
Hi Mike,
 
You just allowed apps that may use a less secure sign-in method to access
your Yahoo account mibru9902. This change allows email applications that do
not meet Yahoo's recommended security standards to access your account and
may leave your account more vulnerable to security risks.
 
 
Okay,my new email is now working, & here's their tech support phone #:
1-800-385-4304,
if anyone happens to need it.
 
If anyone has to call them regarding this same problem be prepared to
explain many times that the setting that needs to be changed is on their
server, & not on your computer if you already have the account set-up.  They
didn't believe that the setting was on their server until I showed them I
had the account on the computer configured correctly, & that the setting on
the server had to be activated so the server & my email client could
communicate.
 
Oh well, everything is good now.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Mike,
Generally when you are asked to click something and the type of mouse click
is not specified, a single left click should be assumed.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B. <mailto:mwb5781@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Carlos,

In the instructions given from the link you posted, it says,
Click Edit next to the desired Yahoo! Mail address under Yahoo
account.
Is clicking edit a right mouse click?  If not, what would it be?
Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

also, finding instructions for enabling it was not difficult, but
the
impression I am getting is that the procedure may simply not be very

accessible.  Although as I said I do not currently have a Yahoo
account so I
have not had the opportunity to test this myself.  See the following

article.
https://www.lifewire.com/access-yahoo-mail-account-via-pop-1170876
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account


> Yahoo is offering free POP access again now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Gregory" <john.gm.gregory@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I was searching around the Internet to see if I could  find out
how to
>> solve
>> this problem, I too am getting the pop up dialog asking for my
password
>> etc,
>> and the only thing I could find is something which said you can
only
>> enable
>> pop messaging to download to Outlook or other email clients if
you have a
>> 'paid' account, otherwise the 'free' account only uses imap.
However,
>> that
>> blog was from 2013 and I don't know if that is still the case as
I didn't
>> see anything on Yahoo website to indicate paid or free, only the
free
>> signup. It also said that to enable pop you had to be in the
'full
>> feature'
>> browser view to enable it in settings.
>>
>> Will do some more investigative work and see if I can resolve the
issue.
>>
>> BTW, thanks for the Firefox tip, I'll try that and see if it is
any
>> better
>> than IE.
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 18 November 2016 01:57
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> If you're running Internet Explorer you won't find it.  You need
to run
>> Firefox.  A friend of mine got a Yahoo account going for my wife
& told
>> me
>> that Firefox had to be used to get to that option.  This friend
had
>> surgery
>> yesterday & won't be available fora while so, I won't be able to
get any
>> more answers until he feels better.  I'll let you know if I have
any
>> success
>> beforehand.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Yes, know what you mean, I have been looking for that checkbox
for ages!
>> It
>> says you can allow less secure 3rd party clients if you so wish,
but at
>> your
>> own risk. However, it doesn't appear to provide the means of
doing it!
>> This
>> is in your Account Security link.
>>
>> If you find it, let me know and I'll do the same for you.
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 23:11
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I have the settings, but I just need to access an option that
will allow
>> my
>> Outlook Express client to receive email from the Yahoo server
using POP3.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Is it the pop settings you want in order to set up the account in

>> Outlook?
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 21:36
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Here's what I'm trying to do.  I'm trying to enable my Outlook
Express
>> using
>> POP3 to get the mail from Yahoo following the steps below.
>>
>> Step 1: Enable Yahoo Mail for POP access
>> list of 5 items
>> In
>> Yahoo Mail,
>> mouse over the Settings icon  | Click Settings.
>> Click Accounts.
>> Under Email addresses, click on your Yahoo account name.
>> Go to the bottom of the page under "Access your Yahoo Mail
elsewhere" |
>> Select POP.
>> Click Save.
>>
>> Here's the problem.  I've figured out how to get to settings /
>> accounts....,
>> but when I get here,
>> Go to the bottom of the page under "Access your Yahoo Mail
elsewhere" |
>> Select POP.
>>
>> I'm not getting the POP option!  Any suggestions?
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Cannot vouch for the accessibility of the Yahoo email site, but
the below
>> may help with your query.
>>
>> The following should help you obtain the 'settings' menu in
Yahoo. It
>> basically tells you how to switch between the basic and full
featured
>> views,
>> but read the 'adjust your screen reader' section to learn how to
access
>> the
>> new shortcut key (;) for the 'settings' menu.
>>
>> There's a handy new keyboard shortcut, the semicolon, to access
Yahoo
>> Mail
>> Settings so you can choose the view (basic or full featured) you
prefer.
>> Switching doesn't affect your email messages, only the way
they're
>> displayed
>> and the number of commands and options you're presented with.
>>
>> Just log into Yahoo Mail as you always do, press the semicolon
key to
>> access
>> the Mail Settings, choose "Mail Version," then either
"Full-Featured" or
>> "Basic." Repeat the same steps to switch back at any time.
>>
>> Screen reader users should follow the steps below to prevent the
screen
>> reader from intercepting the Yahoo Mail Settings keyboard
shortcut:
>>
>> 1.    Log into your Yahoo Mail account;
>>
>> 2.    Adjust your Screen Reader as necessary:
>>
>> a. Using NVDA, press Insert-Spacebar to enter "focus" mode";
>>
>> b. Using JAWS, press Insert-Z to turn off the JAWS virtual
cursor;
>>
>> c. Using VoiceOver, press the left and right arrows
simultaneously to
>> turn
>> Quick Nav off;
>>
>> 3.    Press semicolon to access Yahoo Mail Settings;
>>
>> 4.    Press the Tab key several times until you hear "Mail
Version" then
>> press the Down arrow key to check (select) Full-Featured or Basic
radio
>> button;
>>
>> 5.    Press the Tab key several times to move to the Save button
and
>> press
>> the Enter key.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> John.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 19:06
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I just created a new Yahoo email account, but I can't find the
Settings
>> button so I can click on Accounts.  I need to find the, Access
your Yahoo
>> Mail elsewhere, & Select POP, & save.  What is the best way of
getting to
>> the Settings button / link?  Should I use Yahoo Maill or Mobile
Yahoo
>> Mail?
>> Thanks much.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>








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Re: New Yahoo Account

Carlos
 

I haven't felt motivated to take the challenge because coming up with new Email addresses is tedious.  Most good user names are taken and I'm not good at thinking up new ones so I don't have the patience.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Thanks.

I just wanted them on hand for the day I am successful lol.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Note that you still have to enable Yahoo POP access for these settings to work.

 

POP server: pop.mail.yahoo.com
POP port: 995
POP SSL/TLS: yes
POP username: your full Yahoo! Mail email address
POP password: your Yahoo! Mail password
SMTP server: smtp.mail.yahoo.com
SMTP port: 465 (try 587 as an alternative if 465 yields errors)
SMTP SSL/TLS: yes
SMTP authentication: yes
SMTP username: your full Yahoo! Mail email address
SMTP password: your Yahoo! Mail password

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

I spoke to yahoo tech support this morning, and each conversation I had with them concerning what Mike was doing, they hung up on me lol.

They should be renamed to yayhoo.com.

Does anyone have info for the server info etc for pop or imap relating to yayhoo mail?

 

Thanks.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B. via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Hi Pam,

 

Have you ever talked to someone & got the feeling that they were very uncomfortable talking to a blind person?!  Well, I got this feeling as soon as I told the 1st dude that answered the phone that I was blind & explained why I needed their help.  Dude #1 told me that he has never talked to a blind person that used a computer.  I'm not going to go into a blow by blow, but after I showed dude #1 that the problem wasn't on my computer, he couldn't help me, so he got a supervisor on the phone.  When I showed the supervisor my Outlook Express Yahoo properties settings, & explained what I needed, he knew exactly what I was wanting from them, & during this exchange I also got a very strong feeling that the supervisor also felt uncomfortable talking to a blind person.  This is why I think the supervisor didn't want to spend any extra time on the phone with me trying to explain how / what he had done.

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

That guy sounded like he was on a power trip.  Everybody has to call him to get the help!  (as he puffs out his stomach)  Pam.

 

From: Mike B.

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Hi John,

 

I tried very hard to get the supervisor to tell me exactly how he changed the necessary setting, but as hard as I tried, it just wasn't going to happen!  I trried explaining to him that many blind / visually impaired could benefit from his knowledge, but he just said to have anyone having problems on the Yahoo website, call Yahoo tech support.  Well, I tried from a couple of other angles, but again, no such luck.  Thanks for your input.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: John Gregory

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:26 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Hi Mike,

It's great to hear that you have resolved the problem. Pity they are not
more tech aware. So, I take it from your message that there is nothing we
can do to resolve the problem ourselves and have to ring Yahoo CS? As I'm in
the UK the phone number doesn't help, but I'm not that interested in the
Yahoo account anyway.

As for the CS that didn't believe you were actually blind and using a
computer, I can tell a similar story about an Ebay seller who actually
blocked me from buying from him because I asked too many questions about his
computer product and he didn't believe that I was totally blind and knew so
much about computers! He didn't want me to leave negative feedback, so he
blocked me - should have more confidence in his items! After all these years
I'm still surprised at the ignorance of certain people - should really know
better I guess.

Take care.

John.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B.
Sent: 18 November 2016 19:00
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Carlos & John,
 
Well, I had a low vision friend try to find the POP setting without any
luck, so he gave me the tech support phone number for Yahoo.  It was a bitch
at 1st because the dude didn't believe I was blind & using a computer so, I
had to prove it to the A'Hole.  LOL  There was a bit of a language barrier,
but we managed to get around that to the point of, them having to get a
supervisor on the phone with me.  The 1st dude had logged onto my computer &
when the supervisor got on with me he was able to understand the setting
that needed to be changed, & here's the message they sent, as a confirmation
of sorts I guess.
 
YAHOO 
 
 
Hi Mike,
 
You just allowed apps that may use a less secure sign-in method to access
your Yahoo account mibru9902. This change allows email applications that do
not meet Yahoo's recommended security standards to access your account and
may leave your account more vulnerable to security risks.
 
 
Okay,my new email is now working, & here's their tech support phone #:
1-800-385-4304,
if anyone happens to need it.
 
If anyone has to call them regarding this same problem be prepared to
explain many times that the setting that needs to be changed is on their
server, & not on your computer if you already have the account set-up.  They
didn't believe that the setting was on their server until I showed them I
had the account on the computer configured correctly, & that the setting on
the server had to be activated so the server & my email client could
communicate.
 
Oh well, everything is good now.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Mike,
Generally when you are asked to click something and the type of mouse click
is not specified, a single left click should be assumed.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B. <mailto:mwb5781@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Carlos,

In the instructions given from the link you posted, it says,
Click Edit next to the desired Yahoo! Mail address under Yahoo
account.
Is clicking edit a right mouse click?  If not, what would it be?
Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

also, finding instructions for enabling it was not difficult, but
the
impression I am getting is that the procedure may simply not be very

accessible.  Although as I said I do not currently have a Yahoo
account so I
have not had the opportunity to test this myself.  See the following

article.
https://www.lifewire.com/access-yahoo-mail-account-via-pop-1170876
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account


> Yahoo is offering free POP access again now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Gregory" <john.gm.gregory@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I was searching around the Internet to see if I could  find out
how to
>> solve
>> this problem, I too am getting the pop up dialog asking for my
password
>> etc,
>> and the only thing I could find is something which said you can
only
>> enable
>> pop messaging to download to Outlook or other email clients if
you have a
>> 'paid' account, otherwise the 'free' account only uses imap.
However,
>> that
>> blog was from 2013 and I don't know if that is still the case as
I didn't
>> see anything on Yahoo website to indicate paid or free, only the
free
>> signup. It also said that to enable pop you had to be in the
'full
>> feature'
>> browser view to enable it in settings.
>>
>> Will do some more investigative work and see if I can resolve the
issue.
>>
>> BTW, thanks for the Firefox tip, I'll try that and see if it is
any
>> better
>> than IE.
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 18 November 2016 01:57
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> If you're running Internet Explorer you won't find it.  You need
to run
>> Firefox.  A friend of mine got a Yahoo account going for my wife
& told
>> me
>> that Firefox had to be used to get to that option.  This friend
had
>> surgery
>> yesterday & won't be available fora while so, I won't be able to
get any
>> more answers until he feels better.  I'll let you know if I have
any
>> success
>> beforehand.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Yes, know what you mean, I have been looking for that checkbox
for ages!
>> It
>> says you can allow less secure 3rd party clients if you so wish,
but at
>> your
>> own risk. However, it doesn't appear to provide the means of
doing it!
>> This
>> is in your Account Security link.
>>
>> If you find it, let me know and I'll do the same for you.
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 23:11
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I have the settings, but I just need to access an option that
will allow
>> my
>> Outlook Express client to receive email from the Yahoo server
using POP3.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Is it the pop settings you want in order to set up the account in

>> Outlook?
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 21:36
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Here's what I'm trying to do.  I'm trying to enable my Outlook
Express
>> using
>> POP3 to get the mail from Yahoo following the steps below.
>>
>> Step 1: Enable Yahoo Mail for POP access
>> list of 5 items
>> In
>> Yahoo Mail,
>> mouse over the Settings icon  | Click Settings.
>> Click Accounts.
>> Under Email addresses, click on your Yahoo account name.
>> Go to the bottom of the page under "Access your Yahoo Mail
elsewhere" |
>> Select POP.
>> Click Save.
>>
>> Here's the problem.  I've figured out how to get to settings /
>> accounts....,
>> but when I get here,
>> Go to the bottom of the page under "Access your Yahoo Mail
elsewhere" |
>> Select POP.
>>
>> I'm not getting the POP option!  Any suggestions?
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Cannot vouch for the accessibility of the Yahoo email site, but
the below
>> may help with your query.
>>
>> The following should help you obtain the 'settings' menu in
Yahoo. It
>> basically tells you how to switch between the basic and full
featured
>> views,
>> but read the 'adjust your screen reader' section to learn how to
access
>> the
>> new shortcut key (;) for the 'settings' menu.
>>
>> There's a handy new keyboard shortcut, the semicolon, to access
Yahoo
>> Mail
>> Settings so you can choose the view (basic or full featured) you
prefer.
>> Switching doesn't affect your email messages, only the way
they're
>> displayed
>> and the number of commands and options you're presented with.
>>
>> Just log into Yahoo Mail as you always do, press the semicolon
key to
>> access
>> the Mail Settings, choose "Mail Version," then either
"Full-Featured" or
>> "Basic." Repeat the same steps to switch back at any time.
>>
>> Screen reader users should follow the steps below to prevent the
screen
>> reader from intercepting the Yahoo Mail Settings keyboard
shortcut:
>>
>> 1.    Log into your Yahoo Mail account;
>>
>> 2.    Adjust your Screen Reader as necessary:
>>
>> a. Using NVDA, press Insert-Spacebar to enter "focus" mode";
>>
>> b. Using JAWS, press Insert-Z to turn off the JAWS virtual
cursor;
>>
>> c. Using VoiceOver, press the left and right arrows
simultaneously to
>> turn
>> Quick Nav off;
>>
>> 3.    Press semicolon to access Yahoo Mail Settings;
>>
>> 4.    Press the Tab key several times until you hear "Mail
Version" then
>> press the Down arrow key to check (select) Full-Featured or Basic
radio
>> button;
>>
>> 5.    Press the Tab key several times to move to the Save button
and
>> press
>> the Enter key.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> John.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 19:06
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I just created a new Yahoo email account, but I can't find the
Settings
>> button so I can click on Accounts.  I need to find the, Access
your Yahoo
>> Mail elsewhere, & Select POP, & save.  What is the best way of
getting to
>> the Settings button / link?  Should I use Yahoo Maill or Mobile
Yahoo
>> Mail?
>> Thanks much.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>









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Re: New Yahoo Account

Kimsan
 

Thanks.

I just wanted them on hand for the day I am successful lol.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 7:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Note that you still have to enable Yahoo POP access for these settings to work.

 

POP server: pop.mail.yahoo.com
POP port: 995
POP SSL/TLS: yes
POP username: your full Yahoo! Mail email address
POP password: your Yahoo! Mail password
SMTP server: smtp.mail.yahoo.com
SMTP port: 465 (try 587 as an alternative if 465 yields errors)
SMTP SSL/TLS: yes
SMTP authentication: yes
SMTP username: your full Yahoo! Mail email address
SMTP password: your Yahoo! Mail password

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

I spoke to yahoo tech support this morning, and each conversation I had with them concerning what Mike was doing, they hung up on me lol.

They should be renamed to yayhoo.com.

Does anyone have info for the server info etc for pop or imap relating to yayhoo mail?

 

Thanks.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B. via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Hi Pam,

 

Have you ever talked to someone & got the feeling that they were very uncomfortable talking to a blind person?!  Well, I got this feeling as soon as I told the 1st dude that answered the phone that I was blind & explained why I needed their help.  Dude #1 told me that he has never talked to a blind person that used a computer.  I'm not going to go into a blow by blow, but after I showed dude #1 that the problem wasn't on my computer, he couldn't help me, so he got a supervisor on the phone.  When I showed the supervisor my Outlook Express Yahoo properties settings, & explained what I needed, he knew exactly what I was wanting from them, & during this exchange I also got a very strong feeling that the supervisor also felt uncomfortable talking to a blind person.  This is why I think the supervisor didn't want to spend any extra time on the phone with me trying to explain how / what he had done.

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

That guy sounded like he was on a power trip.  Everybody has to call him to get the help!  (as he puffs out his stomach)  Pam.

 

From: Mike B.

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Hi John,

 

I tried very hard to get the supervisor to tell me exactly how he changed the necessary setting, but as hard as I tried, it just wasn't going to happen!  I trried explaining to him that many blind / visually impaired could benefit from his knowledge, but he just said to have anyone having problems on the Yahoo website, call Yahoo tech support.  Well, I tried from a couple of other angles, but again, no such luck.  Thanks for your input.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: John Gregory

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:26 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

 

Hi Mike,

It's great to hear that you have resolved the problem. Pity they are not
more tech aware. So, I take it from your message that there is nothing we
can do to resolve the problem ourselves and have to ring Yahoo CS? As I'm in
the UK the phone number doesn't help, but I'm not that interested in the
Yahoo account anyway.

As for the CS that didn't believe you were actually blind and using a
computer, I can tell a similar story about an Ebay seller who actually
blocked me from buying from him because I asked too many questions about his
computer product and he didn't believe that I was totally blind and knew so
much about computers! He didn't want me to leave negative feedback, so he
blocked me - should have more confidence in his items! After all these years
I'm still surprised at the ignorance of certain people - should really know
better I guess.

Take care.

John.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B.
Sent: 18 November 2016 19:00
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Carlos & John,
 
Well, I had a low vision friend try to find the POP setting without any
luck, so he gave me the tech support phone number for Yahoo.  It was a bitch
at 1st because the dude didn't believe I was blind & using a computer so, I
had to prove it to the A'Hole.  LOL  There was a bit of a language barrier,
but we managed to get around that to the point of, them having to get a
supervisor on the phone with me.  The 1st dude had logged onto my computer &
when the supervisor got on with me he was able to understand the setting
that needed to be changed, & here's the message they sent, as a confirmation
of sorts I guess.
 
YAHOO 
 
 
Hi Mike,
 
You just allowed apps that may use a less secure sign-in method to access
your Yahoo account mibru9902. This change allows email applications that do
not meet Yahoo's recommended security standards to access your account and
may leave your account more vulnerable to security risks.
 
 
Okay,my new email is now working, & here's their tech support phone #:
1-800-385-4304,
if anyone happens to need it.
 
If anyone has to call them regarding this same problem be prepared to
explain many times that the setting that needs to be changed is on their
server, & not on your computer if you already have the account set-up.  They
didn't believe that the setting was on their server until I showed them I
had the account on the computer configured correctly, & that the setting on
the server had to be activated so the server & my email client could
communicate.
 
Oh well, everything is good now.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Mike,
Generally when you are asked to click something and the type of mouse click
is not specified, a single left click should be assumed.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B. <mailto:mwb5781@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

Hi Carlos,

In the instructions given from the link you posted, it says,
Click Edit next to the desired Yahoo! Mail address under Yahoo
account.
Is clicking edit a right mouse click?  If not, what would it be?
Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account

also, finding instructions for enabling it was not difficult, but
the
impression I am getting is that the procedure may simply not be very

accessible.  Although as I said I do not currently have a Yahoo
account so I
have not had the opportunity to test this myself.  See the following

article.
https://www.lifewire.com/access-yahoo-mail-account-via-pop-1170876
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account


> Yahoo is offering free POP access again now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Gregory" <john.gm.gregory@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I was searching around the Internet to see if I could  find out
how to
>> solve
>> this problem, I too am getting the pop up dialog asking for my
password
>> etc,
>> and the only thing I could find is something which said you can
only
>> enable
>> pop messaging to download to Outlook or other email clients if
you have a
>> 'paid' account, otherwise the 'free' account only uses imap.
However,
>> that
>> blog was from 2013 and I don't know if that is still the case as
I didn't
>> see anything on Yahoo website to indicate paid or free, only the
free
>> signup. It also said that to enable pop you had to be in the
'full
>> feature'
>> browser view to enable it in settings.
>>
>> Will do some more investigative work and see if I can resolve the
issue.
>>
>> BTW, thanks for the Firefox tip, I'll try that and see if it is
any
>> better
>> than IE.
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 18 November 2016 01:57
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> If you're running Internet Explorer you won't find it.  You need
to run
>> Firefox.  A friend of mine got a Yahoo account going for my wife
& told
>> me
>> that Firefox had to be used to get to that option.  This friend
had
>> surgery
>> yesterday & won't be available fora while so, I won't be able to
get any
>> more answers until he feels better.  I'll let you know if I have
any
>> success
>> beforehand.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Yes, know what you mean, I have been looking for that checkbox
for ages!
>> It
>> says you can allow less secure 3rd party clients if you so wish,
but at
>> your
>> own risk. However, it doesn't appear to provide the means of
doing it!
>> This
>> is in your Account Security link.
>>
>> If you find it, let me know and I'll do the same for you.
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 23:11
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I have the settings, but I just need to access an option that
will allow
>> my
>> Outlook Express client to receive email from the Yahoo server
using POP3.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 3:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Is it the pop settings you want in order to set up the account in

>> Outlook?
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 21:36
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Here's what I'm trying to do.  I'm trying to enable my Outlook
Express
>> using
>> POP3 to get the mail from Yahoo following the steps below.
>>
>> Step 1: Enable Yahoo Mail for POP access
>> list of 5 items
>> In
>> Yahoo Mail,
>> mouse over the Settings icon  | Click Settings.
>> Click Accounts.
>> Under Email addresses, click on your Yahoo account name.
>> Go to the bottom of the page under "Access your Yahoo Mail
elsewhere" |
>> Select POP.
>> Click Save.
>>
>> Here's the problem.  I've figured out how to get to settings /
>> accounts....,
>> but when I get here,
>> Go to the bottom of the page under "Access your Yahoo Mail
elsewhere" |
>> Select POP.
>>
>> I'm not getting the POP option!  Any suggestions?
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gregory <mailto:john.gm.gregory@...>
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Cannot vouch for the accessibility of the Yahoo email site, but
the below
>> may help with your query.
>>
>> The following should help you obtain the 'settings' menu in
Yahoo. It
>> basically tells you how to switch between the basic and full
featured
>> views,
>> but read the 'adjust your screen reader' section to learn how to
access
>> the
>> new shortcut key (;) for the 'settings' menu.
>>
>> There's a handy new keyboard shortcut, the semicolon, to access
Yahoo
>> Mail
>> Settings so you can choose the view (basic or full featured) you
prefer.
>> Switching doesn't affect your email messages, only the way
they're
>> displayed
>> and the number of commands and options you're presented with.
>>
>> Just log into Yahoo Mail as you always do, press the semicolon
key to
>> access
>> the Mail Settings, choose "Mail Version," then either
"Full-Featured" or
>> "Basic." Repeat the same steps to switch back at any time.
>>
>> Screen reader users should follow the steps below to prevent the
screen
>> reader from intercepting the Yahoo Mail Settings keyboard
shortcut:
>>
>> 1.    Log into your Yahoo Mail account;
>>
>> 2.    Adjust your Screen Reader as necessary:
>>
>> a. Using NVDA, press Insert-Spacebar to enter "focus" mode";
>>
>> b. Using JAWS, press Insert-Z to turn off the JAWS virtual
cursor;
>>
>> c. Using VoiceOver, press the left and right arrows
simultaneously to
>> turn
>> Quick Nav off;
>>
>> 3.    Press semicolon to access Yahoo Mail Settings;
>>
>> 4.    Press the Tab key several times until you hear "Mail
Version" then
>> press the Down arrow key to check (select) Full-Featured or Basic
radio
>> button;
>>
>> 5.    Press the Tab key several times to move to the Save button
and
>> press
>> the Enter key.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> John.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> Mike B.
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 19:06
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: [TechTalk] New Yahoo Account
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I just created a new Yahoo email account, but I can't find the
Settings
>> button so I can click on Accounts.  I need to find the, Access
your Yahoo
>> Mail elsewhere, & Select POP, & save.  What is the best way of
getting to
>> the Settings button / link?  Should I use Yahoo Maill or Mobile
Yahoo
>> Mail?
>> Thanks much.
>> Take care.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>









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Re: podcast from the New Screen savers with Leo LA port

Gene
 

It's actually so obtuse and such execrable engineering and design, it's humorous, unless you have spent the money for this poorly designed product.  I doubt that Steven Jobs would have tolerated such shoddy design.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] podcast from the New Screen savers with Leo LA port

Yes, but non-replaceable batteries in mobile devices is more common.  Even some Android devices have non-replaceable batteries.  However, in a $2000 laptop, this is inexcusable as far as I'm concerned.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] podcast from the New Screen savers with Leo LA port

I thought that was the case with apple products, at least for quight a while, anyway.  I know that I heard that you couldn’t replace batteries in iPhones or iPods.  Pam. 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] podcast from the New Screen savers with Leo LA port
 
I didn't realize that even the battery in these machines is not replaceable.  It's bad enough that they're not upgradeable in general, but I can't imagine paying nearly $2000 for a laptop which doesn't even have a replaceable battery.  And apparently, the non-replaceable battery is part of what makes them unsafe to recycle.  The amount of adhesive they use to glue the batteries into place makes them more difficult to remove before recycling.  They're saying it takes too long to pry them out safely relative to the economic value of the metal in the machine.  So if they miss one by mistake, they will sometimes catch on fire when they put them through the shredder.  Great job Apple.  LOL they also rated these things a 1 on a scale of 1 to 10 when it comes to repairability.  Since most of the parts are either soldered on to the motherboard or deeply integrated into the case, almost anything that breaks could mean having to replace the entire machine.

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Re: talking tv sets, a different idea

Gene
 

But if people don't have cable, will it scan over air signals and allow you to do so in an accessible manner? 
 
I'm pleased that the television has the accessibility features you describe but it isn't clear if they extend to on air reception.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris G
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

Hi,

The 2016 Samsung TV's have voice guide built in.

When setting up the TV for the first time, it will scan the connected
cable for channels.  I have Verizon FIoS local, it connects directly to
the TV without a cable box or converter connected.  I only get over the
air channels.
Because of my setup I can scan channels, connect the TV to my wifi, know
what channel I'm on as well as read the guide, among other things.

The channels and guide will not talk if you are using a cable or
satellite box.  the boxes would need to talk in order for the channels
and guide to talk.

During first time setup (at least on my TV) you hold the CC button to
enable accessibility features.  You can set up the TV independent
without sight.

also if I have an apple TV, Fire TV etc connected, the TV will tell me
when switching to the proper HDMI input.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, Nov 21, 2016 3:38 PM EST
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

What are you basing your information on?  I have never heard that before
nor was it true when I purchased a converter box.  I got my radio a
while after I had the converter box and it uses standard components used
to receive digital television signals and it won't do so either.  I
doubt that any digital over air television or converter box scans
automatically when plugged in.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:59 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


All digital TV’s automatically scan for receivable channels as soon as
you plug them in.  This is a one-time procedure that does not need to be
repeated unless the TV is moved to a different location.  Even an
audible signal strength indicator is of dubious value because with
digital TB, it’s all or nothing; there is no such thing as a weak signal
as there was with analog TV.  You either get perfect sound and picture
or nothing at all.  So if you tune to a channel and hear no sound, it
means that the signal is too weak to be received by the antenna, and so
it needs to be reoriented.  But this brings up the biggest problem with
digital TV in the first place.  Every time you change channels, you
usually have to reorient the antenna to get a receivable signal, if you
can even get one at all.  This can be a real nuisance, and is the main
reason why most cable TV customers are reluctant to “”cut the cord”.  In
the old days of analog TV, many consumers installed elaborate rooftop
antennas with rotators to optimize reception.  In most large cities,
this is no longer possible because most apartment building owners now
prohibit the installation of rooftop antennas.  So if you cannot get
decent reception with an indoor antenna,you’re out of luck, and no
amount of antenna tweaking will make muchdifference, which is just what
the cable companies want.

Gerald



*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:57 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

I don't have a digital television.  I don't know if any of them have
speech or what that speech allows you to do.  The radio does two
important things that televisions well may not do and I really don't
think a cheap lowest of the line television would.

The radio lets you scan for stations independently.  You don't have to
see a menu in order to scan or get sighted help to learn an inaccessible
sequence.  You have to scan with every new digital television so it can
find stations in your area and allow you to get to them by entering the
correct channel number.  The radio is designed to allow completely
independent scanning.

The signal strength indicator is a valuable feature.  There are some
stations that come in poorly when your antenna is in a certain position
and others that come in well.  By checking the strength indicator when
you are on a station you want to watch, you can see if you can improve
reception by trying different antenna positions.  There is no other good
way to find the strongest signal for a wide variety of stations.  I'm
sure sighted people have some sort of indicator.  When dealing with
digital signals, a blind person has no way of determining the best
signal aside from an audio indicator other than by a trial and error
system seeing if this or that station has signal interruptions and
playing with the antenna to try to prevent them.

Unless there are televisions that have these features, and I doubt there
are, the radio will remain for me a much preferred method of reception.

Gene
*----- Original Message -----*
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 12:25 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


Again, what advantage does a $185 custom-built TV radio offer over a
standard $80 digirtal TV?  None that I can see.  The fact that some guy
personally builds these gadgets himself in his basement still does not
justify its high cost.  Can this TV radio be operated without the
remote?  If not, what are you supposed to do if you lose or break the
remote?  And what recourse do you have if the TV radio itself craps
out?  Bring it to a local electronics repair shop?  I don’t think so.
Oehm Electronics doesn’t even have a web site where you can learn about
its products or obtain customer support.  You have to call their long
distance phone number and hope that Mr. Oehm isn’t on vacation or else
is otherwise unavailable.

Gerald



*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 11:37 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

You don't need speech output.  the manual clearly explains how to
perform functions without speech.  And you are overgeneralizing.  Not
every higher priced item is a ripoff and circumstances should be
considered.  This is not some large company with a large production.  it
is a one man operation, building radios in small numbers when ordered or
only enough in advance to fill a small number of anticipated orders in
advance.  The radios are worth every penny.  You can't necessarily just
add speech to something if it is not built in already at little or no
cost.  The chip used to operate the radio has no speech ability and it
is not necessary.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 9:59 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea


This "accessible"TV radio seems grossly overpriced for what it offers.
For $185, you should at least expect some level of speech output.
Basically, all this box does is scan over-the -air stations into memory and
provides audible feedback to assist with antenna orientation , and that's
about it.  You still cannot identify which channel you are tuned to, and it
offers no advantage if you use a cable box.  I realize that this is a
custom-made product, but it really isn't that much more accessible than a
small-screen, basic mass-market digital TV that sells for $80 or less.
And
it is totally useless for other sighted family members in your household
because it lacks a screen.  Too bad OEHM Electronics does not offer a
small,
Walkman-style TV radio, which would certainly have more widespread consumer
appeal.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Giovanelli
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] talking tv sets, a different idea

Hello,

It is certainly true that voice guidance in TV sets is helpful, but
there is
another option.

There is a radio especially designed to guide blind people in locating and
listening to TV on-the-air programs. This DTV radio is made by Oehm
Electronics and costs $185. It is menu or command driven. One neat feature
is the ability to tell the user how strong a signal is. This is useful when
orienting the antenna. If the received signal falls below a critical level,
the user will know that the reception of that station will be marginal at
best.

This radio does not read what's on the air program information.

It seems to me to be a viable alternative to more expensive TV solutions.

Joe Giovanelli, W2PVY