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Re: Spoof email messages and eloquence

Cristóbal
 

A work-around I’ve used is to  add the offending  string of  text to the Jawws dictionary  manager and  replace  it with something like Jaws crash  word or  something along  those lines. I select eloquence as the pronunciation synth and that takes care of it  for the  future. This I do  using an alternative synth. Vocalizer  expressive for example.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mohamed
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 6:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Spoof email messages and eloquence

 

there is a regular expression built in to the code of the Eloquence driver for NVDA that specifically keeps those codes from getting to Eloquence itself.

 

On 11/17/2016 9:37 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

So why don't I have the issues with
Eloquence and NVDA if it is not specific to JAWS?

 

 

On 11/17/2016 6:32 AM, Carlos wrote:

Yep, old bugs in the Eloquence synthesizer which itself hasn't been updated in many years.  And Freedom Scientific should already be aware of them.

----- Original Message -----

From: Mohamed

Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 6:28 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Spoof email messages and eloquence

 

No, it is actually not from NVDA or JAWS. It is, in fact, from Eloquence itself, and in the drivers for NVDA, there are regular expressions that block the strings from going through. Simply looking for strings isn't enough to block these crash codes. There are actually patterns to them, that need to be coded in through a regular expression.

 

On 11/16/2016 11:50 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

 

I really hope Freedom Scientific comes up with a permanent solution.  I am using Eloquence with NVDA and the same strings that are crashing JAWS are not crashing NVDA with Eloquence.  This makes me believe that the crashes are caused by some kind of interface between JAWS and Eloquence--not Eloquence itself.

 

 

On 11/16/2016 8:36 PM, Brian Zolo wrote:

Good evening, listers.  Has anyone ben able to get the exact charater string that is crashing eloquence with jaws?  I’ve been advised by the fols at Freedom Scienttific that if we can send them the offending character string that they will take a look at it and work on fixing it.  I’m a firm believer in being part of the solution and not part of the problem so am willing to send in the character string that is causing the crash.  They (freedom scientific have fixed previous character strings that caused previous crashes of eloquence and was talking with bryan Carver director of technical support concerning a problem that I’ve been having at work as we transition to windows ten from windows 7 and mentioned to him that eloquence is being effected by new character strings and he then mentioned that if someone could send him the current character string causing the problem that they would take a look at it and develop a fix.  I believe that Bryan’s email address is bryanc@... but I will verify that and let the list know.  This is an opportunity to defeat this craziness so I’m willing to assist in this endeavor.  My eloquence has been crashed by this new string as well.  Thanks so much, have a great day!  BZ!         



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Re: Laptop recommendations

Sugar Lopez
 

I have had a del for several years and I really never had major issues with it.

Both my desk top and lap top are Del’s.

sugar

‘I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the

night.

 

Sugar

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Laptop recommendations

 

I rarely tend to praise specific manufacturers, but I have been somewhat impressed with Dell quality the last couple of years.

----- Original Message -----

From: Sylvia

Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 9:59 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Laptop recommendations

 

Hi list, I’m considering getting myself a new laptop in the next couple of months and I would like your opinions on two different brands. I’m looking at either Acer or Dell. Has anyone had good or bad experiences with either brand.

 

Sylvia.

 




Re: Open book 9.0 Question Please.

Mike B. <mwb5781@...>
 

Hi Janet,
 
to scan as an image, do the following:
1. While in open book, press alt, and right arrow to acquire.

2. Down arrow to work flow, & right arrow.

3. Down arrow to image only, & press enter.
4. Press your Scan keystroke, F4 or spacebar.  Once scanned, it will bring up the save file dialog box.  Type in  the name you want for this file. 
5. Tab 1 time into the Image file types list, arrow up / down to select the Image file type you want, tab 1 time to the save file button    , press, Alt + S, or enter, tab 1 time to Okay, & press, Alt O, or enter.
Your file should now be saved to your default save location.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

It's a paper document.  It's not a question of the format of the actual document.  You need to save it is an image and then convert the image to a PDF document.  I haven't done such conversions.  Probably one or more people will tell you how to save the document as an image and one or more people may tell you how to convert it.  I could look at the program and figure out how to save the file as an image but I don't think I have any program that can save an image as a PDF file.but someone on the list likely already knows.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

Gene,

No I am not wanting to scan as a text file.  You say openbook can save and scan images, can you tell me how openbook will save as a image? I don’t see that option in openbook 9.0.    

 

I’m not for sure what format social security award certificates are in either. 

 

Janet

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

But if you scan it as a text document, it won't be a copy of the document.  I don't know what they will accept but a recognized copy of a document, instead of an image, is not an actual copy of the document.  You may want to verify what is accepted.  Openbook can scan images and save images but it sounds as though you intend to scan the document and have it recognized as text. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet Gross

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:18 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Gene,

I have to scan my social security award certificate to apply for a grant. They want it in a PDF format because I have to upload it electronically. 

 

Janet

 

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Is this for legal reasons or other uses where a facsimile is needed?  If so, scanning the document will not satisfy the requirement.  You will have to scan images of the pages and then save the images in some cumulative way.  If PDF is necessary, you will need to use some other program.  But if other formats such as image files can be used, you can save the pages as images and then save them in a zip or rar or some compressed format like these. 

 

I don't have the knowledge to discuss the matter further.

Gene

From: Janet Gross

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi Mike,

I followed all the instructions until I got to Default File Format, do you know if open book gives the option of save in PDF format? I need to save a letter in a PDF format.    

Thank you so much. 

Janet

 

 

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi Janet,

 

Try the following:

If you want your save files from Openbook to go to your Documents / My Documents folder do the following:
1. First we will need the file path to your Documents / My Documents folder from your C Drive so, do this.  Press enter on Computer from  your desktop.  Or press, Windows key + E, to open, Computer, your list of drives.

 

2. Press the letter, U, to go to your Users folder, & press enter.  Find your name folder, & press enter.  Now find either Documents or My documents, with the folder highlighted press, shift + applications key, to open the context menu, arrow to, copy as path, & press enter to copy the file path to the clipboard.  Now Alt + F4 to close.

 

3. Now open Openbook 9.  With Openbook open press, Alt + G, to open your settings options list, now press the letter, G, to open, General Settings.

4. Tab to, Default File Format, arrow up or down to select the file format you want to save your documents in.

5. Tab 1 time to, Default File Location, Press your backspace key to remove what's there, press, control + C, to paste your file path to your My documents folder right here.  The file path should look something like below:
 
C:\Users\YourName\My Documents  or, C:\Users\YourName\Documents
 
I have both My Documents & Documents because I'm not sure what your default Documents / My Documents folder name is.

 

6. Tab to apply, press the spacebar,Tab to okay, press the spacebar to save your changes & close General Settings.  Now you need to save these new settings
as your default settings.  So press, Alt + G again, & you should be on, Save The Settings so press enter to open.  Tab a couple of times & make sure that,
All Settings, is checked.  Now tab 1 time to, Save, press enter.  You will hear something like, file default already exists, would you like to overwrite
it?, press the letter, Y, for yes.  Okay you are done.  Whenever you save a document from Openbook it should be saved in your My Documents folder in the
format of your choice.  Press, Alt + F, for the file menu, arrow up to, exit, press enter to close Openbook.

HTH

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet Gross

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 3:47 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi Everyone,
Can someone please give me step by step instructions how to set Open book
9.0 so I can save a scanned letter? I would like to save anything I might
scan to my document folder.    
I am running windows 7, JAWS 17. 
Thank you all in advance. 
Janet


Re: EPQ Website Accessibility Questionnaire

Luke Scholey <lukescholey@...>
 

Hi all,
See below for further details. The link is:
Sorry for any inconvenience,
Luke

On 16 Nov 2016, at 18:18, luke scholey <lukescholey@...> wrote:


Hello All,
As part of my Extended Project Qualification (EPQ), I am researching the guidelines, set out by the W3C, on accessibility of websites. I am aiming to collect people's views on whether they agree with the guidelines or not.
Initially, I wish to find out what devices people browse the internet on and how useful they are.
In addition, I would like to gather information on what visually impaired people think makes an accessible website and an inaccessible website.
I have put together a very short questionnaire (10 questions) and I would be very grateful if you could take the time to fill it in.
It is currently a word document, but if you require it in a different format, please just ask.
Thank you all for your help, I do appreciate all your responses.
Luke Scholey

<EPQ Website Accessibility Questionnaire.docx>


Re: Laptop recommendations

Sylvia <sylvia0647@...>
 

I’d love to get one of the xps 13 models but I don’t need that much power. I just want something that I can use in case my main system goes down. I’ll have to check the Dell website for sales.
 
 
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Laptop recommendations
 
I rarely tend to praise specific manufacturers, but I have been somewhat impressed with Dell quality the last couple of years.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 9:59 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Laptop recommendations
 
Hi list, I’m considering getting myself a new laptop in the next couple of months and I would like your opinions on two different brands. I’m looking at either Acer or Dell. Has anyone had good or bad experiences with either brand.
 
Sylvia.
 


Re: Laptop recommendations

Carlos
 


I rarely tend to praise specific manufacturers, but I have been somewhat impressed with Dell quality the last couple of years.

----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 9:59 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Laptop recommendations

Hi list, I’m considering getting myself a new laptop in the next couple of months and I would like your opinions on two different brands. I’m looking at either Acer or Dell. Has anyone had good or bad experiences with either brand.
 
Sylvia.
 


Laptop recommendations

Sylvia <sylvia0647@...>
 

Hi list, I’m considering getting myself a new laptop in the next couple of months and I would like your opinions on two different brands. I’m looking at either Acer or Dell. Has anyone had good or bad experiences with either brand.
 
Sylvia.
 


Re: Spoof email messages and eloquence

Mohamed
 

there is a regular expression built in to the code of the Eloquence driver for NVDA that specifically keeps those codes from getting to Eloquence itself.


On 11/17/2016 9:37 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

So why don't I have the issues with
Eloquence and NVDA if it is not specific to JAWS?



On 11/17/2016 6:32 AM, Carlos wrote:
Yep, old bugs in the Eloquence synthesizer which itself hasn't been updated in many years.  And Freedom Scientific should already be aware of them.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mohamed
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Spoof email messages and eloquence

No, it is actually not from NVDA or JAWS. It is, in fact, from Eloquence itself, and in the drivers for NVDA, there are regular expressions that block the strings from going through. Simply looking for strings isn't enough to block these crash codes. There are actually patterns to them, that need to be coded in through a regular expression.


On 11/16/2016 11:50 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


I really hope Freedom Scientific comes up with a permanent solution.  I am using Eloquence with NVDA and the same strings that are crashing JAWS are not crashing NVDA with Eloquence.  This makes me believe that the crashes are caused by some kind of interface between JAWS and Eloquence--not Eloquence itself.



On 11/16/2016 8:36 PM, Brian Zolo wrote:

Good evening, listers.  Has anyone ben able to get the exact charater string that is crashing eloquence with jaws?  I’ve been advised by the fols at Freedom Scienttific that if we can send them the offending character string that they will take a look at it and work on fixing it.  I’m a firm believer in being part of the solution and not part of the problem so am willing to send in the character string that is causing the crash.  They (freedom scientific have fixed previous character strings that caused previous crashes of eloquence and was talking with bryan Carver director of technical support concerning a problem that I’ve been having at work as we transition to windows ten from windows 7 and mentioned to him that eloquence is being effected by new character strings and he then mentioned that if someone could send him the current character string causing the problem that they would take a look at it and develop a fix.  I believe that Bryan’s email address is bryanc@... but I will verify that and let the list know.  This is an opportunity to defeat this craziness so I’m willing to assist in this endeavor.  My eloquence has been crashed by this new string as well.  Thanks so much, have a great day!  BZ!         


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Spoof email messages and eloquence

Ron Canazzi
 

So why don't I have the issues with
Eloquence and NVDA if it is not specific to JAWS?



On 11/17/2016 6:32 AM, Carlos wrote:
Yep, old bugs in the Eloquence synthesizer which itself hasn't been updated in many years.  And Freedom Scientific should already be aware of them.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mohamed
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Spoof email messages and eloquence

No, it is actually not from NVDA or JAWS. It is, in fact, from Eloquence itself, and in the drivers for NVDA, there are regular expressions that block the strings from going through. Simply looking for strings isn't enough to block these crash codes. There are actually patterns to them, that need to be coded in through a regular expression.


On 11/16/2016 11:50 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


I really hope Freedom Scientific comes up with a permanent solution.  I am using Eloquence with NVDA and the same strings that are crashing JAWS are not crashing NVDA with Eloquence.  This makes me believe that the crashes are caused by some kind of interface between JAWS and Eloquence--not Eloquence itself.



On 11/16/2016 8:36 PM, Brian Zolo wrote:

Good evening, listers.  Has anyone ben able to get the exact charater string that is crashing eloquence with jaws?  I’ve been advised by the fols at Freedom Scienttific that if we can send them the offending character string that they will take a look at it and work on fixing it.  I’m a firm believer in being part of the solution and not part of the problem so am willing to send in the character string that is causing the crash.  They (freedom scientific have fixed previous character strings that caused previous crashes of eloquence and was talking with bryan Carver director of technical support concerning a problem that I’ve been having at work as we transition to windows ten from windows 7 and mentioned to him that eloquence is being effected by new character strings and he then mentioned that if someone could send him the current character string causing the problem that they would take a look at it and develop a fix.  I believe that Bryan’s email address is bryanc@... but I will verify that and let the list know.  This is an opportunity to defeat this craziness so I’m willing to assist in this endeavor.  My eloquence has been crashed by this new string as well.  Thanks so much, have a great day!  BZ!         


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Spoof email messages and eloquence

Dave Mitchel
 

it also happens with triple talk synthesizer here.
 

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Spoof email messages and eloquence
 

Hi Group,

 

I really hope Freedom Scientific comes up with a permanent solution.  I am using Eloquence with NVDA and the same strings that are crashing JAWS are not crashing NVDA with Eloquence.  This makes me believe that the crashes are caused by some kind of interface between JAWS and Eloquence--not Eloquence itself.

 


On 11/16/2016 8:36 PM, Brian Zolo wrote:

Good evening, listers.  Has anyone ben able to get the exact charater string that is crashing eloquence with jaws?  I’ve been advised by the fols at Freedom Scienttific that if we can send them the offending character string that they will take a look at it and work on fixing it.  I’m a firm believer in being part of the solution and not part of the problem so am willing to send in the character string that is causing the crash.  They (freedom scientific have fixed previous character strings that caused previous crashes of eloquence and was talking with bryan Carver director of technical support concerning a problem that I’ve been having at work as we transition to windows ten from windows 7 and mentioned to him that eloquence is being effected by new character strings and he then mentioned that if someone could send him the current character string causing the problem that they would take a look at it and develop a fix.  I believe that Bryan’s email address is bryanc@... but I will verify that and let the list know.  This is an opportunity to defeat this craziness so I’m willing to assist in this endeavor.  My eloquence has been crashed by this new string as well.  Thanks so much, have a great day!  BZ!        


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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: EPQ Website Accessibility Questionnaire

Ann Parsons
 

Morning all,

Luke, this list does not allow attachments, so if you attached your Word document, it didn't fly.

Ann P.

Original message:

Hello All,
As part of my Extended Project Qualification (EPQ), I am researching the guidelines, set out by the W3C, on accessibility of websites. I am aiming to collect people's views on whether they agree with the guidelines or not.
Initially, I wish to find out what devices people browse the internet on and how useful they are.
In addition, I would like to gather information on what visually impaired people think makes an accessible website and an inaccessible website.
I have put together a very short questionnaire (10 questions) and I would be very grateful if you could take the time to fill it in.
It is currently a word document, but if you require it in a different format, please just ask.
Thank you all for your help, I do appreciate all your responses.
Luke Scholey
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Re: Spoof email messages and eloquence

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

hi, strictly off list, what's the new string? or where can one find it?

On 17/11/2016 01:36 AM, Brian Zolo wrote:

Good evening, listers.  Has anyone ben able to get the exact charater string that is crashing eloquence with jaws?  I’ve been advised by the fols at Freedom Scienttific that if we can send them the offending character string that they will take a look at it and work on fixing it.  I’m a firm believer in being part of the solution and not part of the problem so am willing to send in the character string that is causing the crash.  They (freedom scientific have fixed previous character strings that caused previous crashes of eloquence and was talking with bryan Carver director of technical support concerning a problem that I’ve been having at work as we transition to windows ten from windows 7 and mentioned to him that eloquence is being effected by new character strings and he then mentioned that if someone could send him the current character string causing the problem that they would take a look at it and develop a fix.  I believe that Bryan’s email address is bryanc@... but I will verify that and let the list know.  This is an opportunity to defeat this craziness so I’m willing to assist in this endeavor.  My eloquence has been crashed by this new string as well.  Thanks so much, have a great day!  BZ!         



Re: Spoof email messages and eloquence

Mohamed
 

I think they have been for a while, however I don't think they've done much to fix it. GW Micro apparently has, though.


On 11/17/2016 6:32 AM, Carlos wrote:
Yep, old bugs in the Eloquence synthesizer which itself hasn't been updated in many years.  And Freedom Scientific should already be aware of them.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mohamed
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Spoof email messages and eloquence

No, it is actually not from NVDA or JAWS. It is, in fact, from Eloquence itself, and in the drivers for NVDA, there are regular expressions that block the strings from going through. Simply looking for strings isn't enough to block these crash codes. There are actually patterns to them, that need to be coded in through a regular expression.


On 11/16/2016 11:50 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


I really hope Freedom Scientific comes up with a permanent solution.  I am using Eloquence with NVDA and the same strings that are crashing JAWS are not crashing NVDA with Eloquence.  This makes me believe that the crashes are caused by some kind of interface between JAWS and Eloquence--not Eloquence itself.



On 11/16/2016 8:36 PM, Brian Zolo wrote:

Good evening, listers.  Has anyone ben able to get the exact charater string that is crashing eloquence with jaws?  I’ve been advised by the fols at Freedom Scienttific that if we can send them the offending character string that they will take a look at it and work on fixing it.  I’m a firm believer in being part of the solution and not part of the problem so am willing to send in the character string that is causing the crash.  They (freedom scientific have fixed previous character strings that caused previous crashes of eloquence and was talking with bryan Carver director of technical support concerning a problem that I’ve been having at work as we transition to windows ten from windows 7 and mentioned to him that eloquence is being effected by new character strings and he then mentioned that if someone could send him the current character string causing the problem that they would take a look at it and develop a fix.  I believe that Bryan’s email address is bryanc@... but I will verify that and let the list know.  This is an opportunity to defeat this craziness so I’m willing to assist in this endeavor.  My eloquence has been crashed by this new string as well.  Thanks so much, have a great day!  BZ!         


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



Re: Spoof email messages and eloquence

Carlos
 

Yep, old bugs in the Eloquence synthesizer which itself hasn't been updated in many years.  And Freedom Scientific should already be aware of them.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mohamed
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Spoof email messages and eloquence

No, it is actually not from NVDA or JAWS. It is, in fact, from Eloquence itself, and in the drivers for NVDA, there are regular expressions that block the strings from going through. Simply looking for strings isn't enough to block these crash codes. There are actually patterns to them, that need to be coded in through a regular expression.


On 11/16/2016 11:50 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


I really hope Freedom Scientific comes up with a permanent solution.  I am using Eloquence with NVDA and the same strings that are crashing JAWS are not crashing NVDA with Eloquence.  This makes me believe that the crashes are caused by some kind of interface between JAWS and Eloquence--not Eloquence itself.



On 11/16/2016 8:36 PM, Brian Zolo wrote:

Good evening, listers.  Has anyone ben able to get the exact charater string that is crashing eloquence with jaws?  I’ve been advised by the fols at Freedom Scienttific that if we can send them the offending character string that they will take a look at it and work on fixing it.  I’m a firm believer in being part of the solution and not part of the problem so am willing to send in the character string that is causing the crash.  They (freedom scientific have fixed previous character strings that caused previous crashes of eloquence and was talking with bryan Carver director of technical support concerning a problem that I’ve been having at work as we transition to windows ten from windows 7 and mentioned to him that eloquence is being effected by new character strings and he then mentioned that if someone could send him the current character string causing the problem that they would take a look at it and develop a fix.  I believe that Bryan’s email address is bryanc@... but I will verify that and let the list know.  This is an opportunity to defeat this craziness so I’m willing to assist in this endeavor.  My eloquence has been crashed by this new string as well.  Thanks so much, have a great day!  BZ!         


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Spoof email messages and eloquence

Mohamed
 

No, it is actually not from NVDA or JAWS. It is, in fact, from Eloquence itself, and in the drivers for NVDA, there are regular expressions that block the strings from going through. Simply looking for strings isn't enough to block these crash codes. There are actually patterns to them, that need to be coded in through a regular expression.


On 11/16/2016 11:50 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


I really hope Freedom Scientific comes up with a permanent solution.  I am using Eloquence with NVDA and the same strings that are crashing JAWS are not crashing NVDA with Eloquence.  This makes me believe that the crashes are caused by some kind of interface between JAWS and Eloquence--not Eloquence itself.



On 11/16/2016 8:36 PM, Brian Zolo wrote:

Good evening, listers.  Has anyone ben able to get the exact charater string that is crashing eloquence with jaws?  I’ve been advised by the fols at Freedom Scienttific that if we can send them the offending character string that they will take a look at it and work on fixing it.  I’m a firm believer in being part of the solution and not part of the problem so am willing to send in the character string that is causing the crash.  They (freedom scientific have fixed previous character strings that caused previous crashes of eloquence and was talking with bryan Carver director of technical support concerning a problem that I’ve been having at work as we transition to windows ten from windows 7 and mentioned to him that eloquence is being effected by new character strings and he then mentioned that if someone could send him the current character string causing the problem that they would take a look at it and develop a fix.  I believe that Bryan’s email address is bryanc@... but I will verify that and let the list know.  This is an opportunity to defeat this craziness so I’m willing to assist in this endeavor.  My eloquence has been crashed by this new string as well.  Thanks so much, have a great day!  BZ!         


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Re: Open book 9.0 Question Please.

Gene
 

It's a paper document.  It's not a question of the format of the actual document.  You need to save it is an image and then convert the image to a PDF document.  I haven't done such conversions.  Probably one or more people will tell you how to save the document as an image and one or more people may tell you how to convert it.  I could look at the program and figure out how to save the file as an image but I don't think I have any program that can save an image as a PDF file.but someone on the list likely already knows.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

Gene,

No I am not wanting to scan as a text file.  You say openbook can save and scan images, can you tell me how openbook will save as a image? I don’t see that option in openbook 9.0.    

 

I’m not for sure what format social security award certificates are in either. 

 

Janet

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

But if you scan it as a text document, it won't be a copy of the document.  I don't know what they will accept but a recognized copy of a document, instead of an image, is not an actual copy of the document.  You may want to verify what is accepted.  Openbook can scan images and save images but it sounds as though you intend to scan the document and have it recognized as text. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet Gross

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:18 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Gene,

I have to scan my social security award certificate to apply for a grant. They want it in a PDF format because I have to upload it electronically. 

 

Janet

 

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Is this for legal reasons or other uses where a facsimile is needed?  If so, scanning the document will not satisfy the requirement.  You will have to scan images of the pages and then save the images in some cumulative way.  If PDF is necessary, you will need to use some other program.  But if other formats such as image files can be used, you can save the pages as images and then save them in a zip or rar or some compressed format like these. 

 

I don't have the knowledge to discuss the matter further.

Gene

From: Janet Gross

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi Mike,

I followed all the instructions until I got to Default File Format, do you know if open book gives the option of save in PDF format? I need to save a letter in a PDF format.    

Thank you so much. 

Janet

 

 

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi Janet,

 

Try the following:

If you want your save files from Openbook to go to your Documents / My Documents folder do the following:
1. First we will need the file path to your Documents / My Documents folder from your C Drive so, do this.  Press enter on Computer from  your desktop.  Or press, Windows key + E, to open, Computer, your list of drives.

 

2. Press the letter, U, to go to your Users folder, & press enter.  Find your name folder, & press enter.  Now find either Documents or My documents, with the folder highlighted press, shift + applications key, to open the context menu, arrow to, copy as path, & press enter to copy the file path to the clipboard.  Now Alt + F4 to close.

 

3. Now open Openbook 9.  With Openbook open press, Alt + G, to open your settings options list, now press the letter, G, to open, General Settings.

4. Tab to, Default File Format, arrow up or down to select the file format you want to save your documents in.

5. Tab 1 time to, Default File Location, Press your backspace key to remove what's there, press, control + C, to paste your file path to your My documents folder right here.  The file path should look something like below:
 
C:\Users\YourName\My Documents  or, C:\Users\YourName\Documents
 
I have both My Documents & Documents because I'm not sure what your default Documents / My Documents folder name is.

 

6. Tab to apply, press the spacebar,Tab to okay, press the spacebar to save your changes & close General Settings.  Now you need to save these new settings
as your default settings.  So press, Alt + G again, & you should be on, Save The Settings so press enter to open.  Tab a couple of times & make sure that,
All Settings, is checked.  Now tab 1 time to, Save, press enter.  You will hear something like, file default already exists, would you like to overwrite
it?, press the letter, Y, for yes.  Okay you are done.  Whenever you save a document from Openbook it should be saved in your My Documents folder in the
format of your choice.  Press, Alt + F, for the file menu, arrow up to, exit, press enter to close Openbook.

HTH

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----

From: Janet Gross

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 3:47 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi Everyone,
Can someone please give me step by step instructions how to set Open book
9.0 so I can save a scanned letter? I would like to save anything I might
scan to my document folder.    
I am running windows 7, JAWS 17. 
Thank you all in advance. 
Janet


Re: Spoof email messages and eloquence

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I really hope Freedom Scientific comes up with a permanent solution.  I am using Eloquence with NVDA and the same strings that are crashing JAWS are not crashing NVDA with Eloquence.  This makes me believe that the crashes are caused by some kind of interface between JAWS and Eloquence--not Eloquence itself.



On 11/16/2016 8:36 PM, Brian Zolo wrote:

Good evening, listers.  Has anyone ben able to get the exact charater string that is crashing eloquence with jaws?  I’ve been advised by the fols at Freedom Scienttific that if we can send them the offending character string that they will take a look at it and work on fixing it.  I’m a firm believer in being part of the solution and not part of the problem so am willing to send in the character string that is causing the crash.  They (freedom scientific have fixed previous character strings that caused previous crashes of eloquence and was talking with bryan Carver director of technical support concerning a problem that I’ve been having at work as we transition to windows ten from windows 7 and mentioned to him that eloquence is being effected by new character strings and he then mentioned that if someone could send him the current character string causing the problem that they would take a look at it and develop a fix.  I believe that Bryan’s email address is bryanc@... but I will verify that and let the list know.  This is an opportunity to defeat this craziness so I’m willing to assist in this endeavor.  My eloquence has been crashed by this new string as well.  Thanks so much, have a great day!  BZ!         


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Open book 9.0 Question Please.

Mike B. <mwb5781@...>
 

Hi Janet,
 
If you tab 1 more time there should be a browse button.  See if you can browse to your Documents folder & press enter.  I believe this will then make the Documents folder the default save location.  Then make sure you save the settings.
Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

Mike,

The step I am referring to is when I paste in the copied path to tell openbook to save my files to my documents. 

Janet

 

 

 

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi Janet,

 

Which step are you referring to?

 

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----

From: Janet Gross

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:29 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Mike,

I followed all the steps, but when I press control v to copy the document location, and press apply, I get a message saying this is an invalid path. 

Janet

 

 

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi Janet,

 

I've corrected the steps so, try the following:

If you want your save files from Openbook to go to your Documents / My Documents folder do the following:
1. First we will need the file path to your Documents / My Documents folder from your C Drive so, do this.  Press enter on Computer from  your desktop.  Or press, Windows key + E, to open, Computer, your list of drives.

 

2. Press the letter, U, to go to your Users folder, & press enter.  Find your name folder, & press enter.  Now find either Documents or My documents, with the folder highlighted press, shift + applications key, to open the context menu, arrow to, copy as path, & press enter to copy the file path to the clipboard.  Now Alt + F4 to close.

 

3. Now open Openbook 9.  With Openbook open press, Alt + G, to open your settings options list, now press the letter, G, to open, General Settings.

4. Tab to, Default File Format, arrow up or down to select the file format you want to save your documents in.

5. Tab 1 time to, Default File Location, Press your backspace key to remove what's there, press, control + V, to paste your file path to your My documents folder right here.  The file path should look something like below:
 
C:\Users\YourName\My Documents  or, C:\Users\YourName\Documents
 
I have both My Documents & Documents because I'm not sure what your default Documents / My Documents folder name is.

 

6. Tab to apply, press the spacebar,Tab to okay, press the spacebar to save your changes & close General Settings.  Now you need to save these new settings
as your default settings.  So press, Alt + G again, & you should be on, Save The Settings so press enter to open.  Tab a couple of times & make sure that,
All Settings, is checked.  Now tab 1 time to, Save, press enter.  You will hear something like, file default already exists, would you like to overwrite
it?, press the letter, Y, for yes.  Okay you are done.  Whenever you save a document from Openbook it should be saved in your My Documents folder in the
format of your choice.  Press, Alt + F, for the file menu, arrow up to, exit, press enter to close Openbook.

HTH

Take care.
Mike
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Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----

From: Janet Gross

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 3:47 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi Everyone,
Can someone please give me step by step instructions how to set Open book
9.0 so I can save a scanned letter? I would like to save anything I might
scan to my document folder.    
I am running windows 7, JAWS 17. 
Thank you all in advance. 
Janet



Re: Open book 9.0 Question Please.

Janet Gross
 

George,

Would you please give me the steps as well? I would greatly appreciate it. 

 

Janet

 

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi George,

 

I've never scanned a file as an image, would you please give steps on how to do so?  Thank you very much.

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----

From: george b

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:50 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Scan it as a image

Save as a image

Open word, open the saved image copy the image go back to word, and paste the image in word.

 

Now if it is 2013 word or above go the file menu and save as and give it a name and in the type of file line choose PDF and save  the file and then attach it to the email you need to send

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: November 16, 2016 18:40
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi Janet,

 

No it doesn't.  Save it as a Word doc or text file & convert it with an on-line converting service or using MS Word.  Below are 3 various on-line conversion websites.

 

 

Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi Mike,

I followed all the instructions until I got to Default File Format, do you know if open book gives the option of save in PDF format? I need to save a letter in a PDF format.    

Thank you so much. 

Janet

 

 

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi Janet,

 

Try the following:

If you want your save files from Openbook to go to your Documents / My Documents folder do the following:
1. First we will need the file path to your Documents / My Documents folder from your C Drive so, do this.  Press enter on Computer from  your desktop.  Or press, Windows key + E, to open, Computer, your list of drives.

 

2. Press the letter, U, to go to your Users folder, & press enter.  Find your name folder, & press enter.  Now find either Documents or My documents, with the folder highlighted press, shift + applications key, to open the context menu, arrow to, copy as path, & press enter to copy the file path to the clipboard.  Now Alt + F4 to close.

 

3. Now open Openbook 9.  With Openbook open press, Alt + G, to open your settings options list, now press the letter, G, to open, General Settings.

4. Tab to, Default File Format, arrow up or down to select the file format you want to save your documents in.

5. Tab 1 time to, Default File Location, Press your backspace key to remove what's there, press, control + C, to paste your file path to your My documents folder right here.  The file path should look something like below:
 
C:\Users\YourName\My Documents  or, C:\Users\YourName\Documents
 
I have both My Documents & Documents because I'm not sure what your default Documents / My Documents folder name is.

 

6. Tab to apply, press the spacebar,Tab to okay, press the spacebar to save your changes & close General Settings.  Now you need to save these new settings
as your default settings.  So press, Alt + G again, & you should be on, Save The Settings so press enter to open.  Tab a couple of times & make sure that,
All Settings, is checked.  Now tab 1 time to, Save, press enter.  You will hear something like, file default already exists, would you like to overwrite
it?, press the letter, Y, for yes.  Okay you are done.  Whenever you save a document from Openbook it should be saved in your My Documents folder in the
format of your choice.  Press, Alt + F, for the file menu, arrow up to, exit, press enter to close Openbook.

HTH

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 3:47 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi Everyone,
Can someone please give me step by step instructions how to set Open book
9.0 so I can save a scanned letter? I would like to save anything I might
scan to my document folder.    
I am running windows 7, JAWS 17. 
Thank you all in advance. 
Janet



Re: Open book 9.0 Question Please.

Janet Gross
 

Gene,

No I am not wanting to scan as a text file.  You say openbook can save and scan images, can you tell me how openbook will save as a image? I don’t see that option in openbook 9.0.    

 

I’m not for sure what format social security award certificates are in either. 

 

Janet

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

But if you scan it as a text document, it won't be a copy of the document.  I don't know what they will accept but a recognized copy of a document, instead of an image, is not an actual copy of the document.  You may want to verify what is accepted.  Openbook can scan images and save images but it sounds as though you intend to scan the document and have it recognized as text. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:18 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Gene,

I have to scan my social security award certificate to apply for a grant. They want it in a PDF format because I have to upload it electronically. 

 

Janet

 

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Is this for legal reasons or other uses where a facsimile is needed?  If so, scanning the document will not satisfy the requirement.  You will have to scan images of the pages and then save the images in some cumulative way.  If PDF is necessary, you will need to use some other program.  But if other formats such as image files can be used, you can save the pages as images and then save them in a zip or rar or some compressed format like these. 

 

I don't have the knowledge to discuss the matter further.

Gene

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi Mike,

I followed all the instructions until I got to Default File Format, do you know if open book gives the option of save in PDF format? I need to save a letter in a PDF format.    

Thank you so much. 

Janet

 

 

Tomorrow's Another Day, Another Way, and If Tomorrow Never Comes, Problem Solved!  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi Janet,

 

Try the following:

If you want your save files from Openbook to go to your Documents / My Documents folder do the following:
1. First we will need the file path to your Documents / My Documents folder from your C Drive so, do this.  Press enter on Computer from  your desktop.  Or press, Windows key + E, to open, Computer, your list of drives.

 

2. Press the letter, U, to go to your Users folder, & press enter.  Find your name folder, & press enter.  Now find either Documents or My documents, with the folder highlighted press, shift + applications key, to open the context menu, arrow to, copy as path, & press enter to copy the file path to the clipboard.  Now Alt + F4 to close.

 

3. Now open Openbook 9.  With Openbook open press, Alt + G, to open your settings options list, now press the letter, G, to open, General Settings.

4. Tab to, Default File Format, arrow up or down to select the file format you want to save your documents in.

5. Tab 1 time to, Default File Location, Press your backspace key to remove what's there, press, control + C, to paste your file path to your My documents folder right here.  The file path should look something like below:
 
C:\Users\YourName\My Documents  or, C:\Users\YourName\Documents
 
I have both My Documents & Documents because I'm not sure what your default Documents / My Documents folder name is.

 

6. Tab to apply, press the spacebar,Tab to okay, press the spacebar to save your changes & close General Settings.  Now you need to save these new settings
as your default settings.  So press, Alt + G again, & you should be on, Save The Settings so press enter to open.  Tab a couple of times & make sure that,
All Settings, is checked.  Now tab 1 time to, Save, press enter.  You will hear something like, file default already exists, would you like to overwrite
it?, press the letter, Y, for yes.  Okay you are done.  Whenever you save a document from Openbook it should be saved in your My Documents folder in the
format of your choice.  Press, Alt + F, for the file menu, arrow up to, exit, press enter to close Openbook.

HTH

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 3:47 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Open book 9.0 Question Please.

 

Hi Everyone,
Can someone please give me step by step instructions how to set Open book
9.0 so I can save a scanned letter? I would like to save anything I might
scan to my document folder.    
I am running windows 7, JAWS 17. 
Thank you all in advance. 
Janet