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Re: Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light #article

Mich Verrier
 

hi all. I have rop and for me I have my octive nerve but in my case this might give me a chance at some sight but not the way it stands right now. I do have memmeries of what it is like to see since I didn’t loose all of my sight untill I was 6 so I know things like what the sun looks like and things like that. how ever I think that the technolligey needs to be a hole lot better for this to work. it is a good start though. I also have no eyes eather so this kind of thing would I think be my best chance at sight for shure. from Mich.   
 

From: Marie
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 7:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
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I agree and it is not a verve issue in RP but the Photo Receptor cells which is why the stem cell research is our best chance.
Marie
 
 
From: Dave Mitchel
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 3:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
quite often people with RP have good optic nerves just the retina is damaged. I was told last time I was checked that the nerve is good and pink and healthy.
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 1:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
Nerve regeneration is tricky stuff.  And even if they manage to work out the details, it won't necessarily work for everyone.  I think a device which can bypass the optic nerve altogether and directly stimulate the visual cortex is likely to work in more cases and will probably overall be easier to perfect in a semi-reasonable amount of time.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Mitchel
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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 3:59 PM
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I too have RP and believe it is the stem cell that is going to restore us if anything. if this sort of thing gets better I’m sure a lot of people will go for it.
seems I remember $73,000 was a price tag for the surgery? or was that just for the item?
 
 
From: Marie
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 11:02 AM
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I think the research is great, however I personally can’t imagine going through eye surgery with the results it is providing. After all, what real value is there in seeing colors, lines or spots of light. But it is encouraging that there are any results. since I have RP, my optic nerves are just fine but they get no information's because the photo receptor cells are almost totally destroyed now. I still have some slight hopes for the stem cell research.
Marie
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 9:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
LOL I think I would rather wait for science to perfect the device that directly stimulates the visual cortex.  Not only is it more likely to provide true sight, but it just sounds cooler.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
Ya know I read an article awhile back where they were experimenting with using nerves in the tongue for sight, & were having limited success.  I can't find the article right now but, what I don't recall is how they were doing this.  I don't know if they were bypassing the optic nerve, using bionics or what but, it was pretty interesting.  Can you imagine it, someone walking around, flicking their tongue out & about, like a hungry frog / lizard but, able to navigate because their eyes had been replaced by a flicking tongue?!
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
Indeed, but again the article discusses one device which bypasses the optic nerve altogether and directly stimulates the visual cortex.  LOL I think the notion that an optic nerve is required to provide artificial sight is somewhat outdated now since this is the second article I have read which discusses such technology.  Of course it hasn't been perfected, but successful tests with early designs indicates that the technology will almost certainly be workable as it advances.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Wohlgamuth
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

Hi there!

What I have heard is that it would be tricky if not imposible to transplant the optic nerve since it is actually connected to the brain if I understand correctly.  BTW, I would be very interested in an optic nerve transplant if it ever becomes possible! I do however wonder why they can't simply place stem cells that could reproduce and perhaps repair the damage in the nerve.  I still suspect this would be a very tricky operation though.   

I guess it never hurts to dream a little or maybe a lot! THANKS&Have A Good 1! de
<KF8LT><Jim>.
On 06-Nov-16 23:30, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Veronica,
 
You wouldn't believe what kind of crap Medicare will & won't pay for!  My doctor was telling my wife & I about Medicare paying for a penial implant for a 89 year old man!  Go figure!  The man claimed he needed the pump up pecker to please his wife but, noone bothered to ask his wife if this was true!  This man was not a patient of my doctor but, my doctor knew of the case because he knew the Urologist that performed the surgery.  A little crazy ya think?!
 
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

My wishes as well, however, I doubt Medicare would pay for anything of this nature considering how expensive it would be.

Veronica

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 1:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

I sure wish they would come out with some sort of optic nerve replacement.  You would think that being nerves run off of eletrical stimulus that a small battery pack could be implanted to give the nerves the necessary power to operate.  But, I would assume that getting the correct ohms / current would be really hard to duplicate.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Dodgers, try again next year!

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:38 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

Um there's a link in the message.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 12:36 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

Good god oh mighty, where’s the article!

I’m ready now for internet navigation lectures smile.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 6:16 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

http

://inhabitat.com/worlds-first-bionic-eye-could-soon-be-available-for-sale-in-the-us/



Re: Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light #article

Gene
 

I have no idea how useable or useful vision would be to someone who has never seen.  It isn't just the visual cortex, it's to what extent the brain itself, can learn to interpret the information.  I don't know how the brain does this now but getting the information in useable form is just the start.  Whatever form it comes into the brain, I wouldn't assume that interpretation or proper interpretation is at all limited to the visual cortex.  There may be other parts of the brain involved.  I haven't read enough about the brain to know if I am correct but, whether right or wrong, my impression is that much that the brain does is spread out and that many functions are not limited to specific areas.
 
It may be that vision, for those who haven't seen, may be of some use.  I think, however, that such evolving technologies as are being discussed her will not be of nearly as much use in such cases. 
 
I don't recall the name or the author, but someone who had never seen had his sight restored and wrote a book about it sometime in the last roughly ten or fifteen years.  It may be very instructive in considering such questions. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
> After all, whether you send visual impulses
> directly to the brain or via the optic nerve, they still have to be
> processed by the visual cortex in the end.


My point, however, is that the visual cortex, having had no visual impulses ever to process, won't know how. It has, perhaps, been doing the job of telling your arm to move up and down, instead of processing visual information.
I do wonder how they plan to get around things like that.




Re: Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light #article

Gene
 

On a matter that came up earlier today, the tongue system relied on vibrating items of some kind.  I didn't get a detailed description from the person who somehow found out about it awhile ago and told me about it.  I don't think the person had much technical information.  But it sounds to me as though it operates on the same principle as the optacon, (spellling) using Piezo-electric cells, or something similar.  I really doubt I would want to get information in that way. 
 
Gene

From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

Yes, but I suspect this is a problem which may be theoretically encountered
with someone who has been blind their entire life no matter what technique
is used to restore vision.  After all, whether you send visual impulses
directly to the brain or via the optic nerve, they still have to be
processed by the visual cortex in the end.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to
see lines, colors, and spots of light


Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
> I think a device which can bypass the optic nerve altogether and directly
> stimulate the visual cortex is likely to work in more cases and will
> probably overall be easier to perfect in a semi-reasonable amount of time.


What about the fact that the visual cortex has already been coopted in a lot
of people who have been blind since birth into doing some other task?
The brain is infinitely adaptable. If one part isn't doing its job, it gets
rewired to do something else. That way no part of the brain lies fallow.
That nonsense about how we only use ten percent of our brains is just
that--nonsense.






Re: Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

Any of us who have ever had partial sight would be at a
better advantage than one who never has seen the light of
day from the time of birth.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 8:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows
blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

I doubt that they will easily resolve such a problem until
we have a much greater understanding of the brain. I
suspect the technology to restore vision will be here long
before we acquire that level of understanding. In the
meantime, what will most likely happen is that some people's
brains may naturally adapt to receiving visual nerve
impulses while others may not. In either case, some kind of
therapy/adaptation period will almost certainly be required.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows
blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light


Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
After all, whether you send visual impulses directly to
the brain or
via the optic nerve, they still have to be processed by
the visual
cortex in the end.

My point, however, is that the visual cortex, having had no
visual impulses ever to process, won't know how. It has,
perhaps, been doing the job of telling your arm to move up
and down, instead of processing visual information.
I do wonder how they plan to get around things like that.


Re: Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

We'll have to learn to see just like a stroke patient has to
learn to walk or talk. It would take determination. I, for
one, would love to try. I have given it thought, figure that
for a while, probably would need to avoid brighter lighting,
maybe the first few weeks, try to see for an hour or two and
slowly advance. For instance, place a cup on the table. Walk
out of the room, come to the table, look at the cup, then
reach out and see how close you get to the handle by sight,
things like that.

I used to figure how I would start to drive around our
neighborhood, since I knew it well from walks, plus I had
paid for half the car. Since Jim paid for this one before we
were married, and I only split expenses on it, I don't think
about that. However, should the time come that we bought one
together, maybe I should tell him, so he can decide if he
wants me in on the deal or not.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 8:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows
blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
After all, whether you send visual impulses directly to
the brain or
via the optic nerve, they still have to be processed by
the visual
cortex in the end.

My point, however, is that the visual cortex, having had no
visual impulses ever to process, won't know how. It has,
perhaps, been doing the job of telling your arm to move up
and down, instead of processing visual information.
I do wonder how they plan to get around things like that.


Re: Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light #article

Carlos
 

I doubt that they will easily resolve such a problem until we have a much greater understanding of the brain. I suspect the technology to restore vision will be here long before we acquire that level of understanding. In the meantime, what will most likely happen is that some people's brains may naturally adapt to receiving visual nerve impulses while others may not. In either case, some kind of therapy/adaptation period will almost certainly be required.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light


Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
After all, whether you send visual impulses
directly to the brain or via the optic nerve, they still have to be
processed by the visual cortex in the end.

My point, however, is that the visual cortex, having had no visual impulses ever to process, won't know how. It has, perhaps, been doing the job of telling your arm to move up and down, instead of processing visual information.
I do wonder how they plan to get around things like that.


Re: Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

Exactly, Carlos.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 8:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows
blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

Yes, but I suspect this is a problem which may be
theoretically encountered with someone who has been blind
their entire life no matter what technique is used to
restore vision. After all, whether you send visual impulses
directly to the brain or via the optic nerve, they still
have to be processed by the visual cortex in the end.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows
blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light


Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
I think a device which can bypass the optic nerve
altogether and
directly stimulate the visual cortex is likely to work in
more cases
and will probably overall be easier to perfect in a
semi-reasonable amount of time.


What about the fact that the visual cortex has already been
coopted in a lot of people who have been blind since birth
into doing some other task?
The brain is infinitely adaptable. If one part isn't doing
its job, it gets rewired to do something else. That way no
part of the brain lies fallow.
That nonsense about how we only use ten percent of our
brains is just that--nonsense.


Re: more spotify help

Gene
 

I can look at some albums on Spotify where all the tracks are shown but that won't stream.  I don't know what you can see in what ever way you are using spotify but in such cases, I can usually see a message that the album or whatever is not available.  Add to music or library or whater it says may be there but I really don't see any way that Spotify can legally provide music for download that it can't provide for streaming. 
 
This link may help you find answers about saving music. 
If you find useful information, you will probably have to follow one or more links in that section to get to what you are looking for.  Regardless, you could also try saving something that you can stream and see what happens.  Trying that may answer your questions directly as well. 
 
I haven't looked at the how to part of the site much.  I am a free user and I never investigated such features as saving music because it is unavailable to free users. I also don't know how to listen to music off line, but I'm sure  it requires using the Spotify program on a computer or app on other devices.  I'm sure you can't just listen using another player.  Spotify keeps track of how many times you listen for royalty purposes.  You also have to go online at least once I believe its every thirdty days to preserve your settings.  I believe this is also the case so Spotify can get information about what you have listened to off line  and the number of times you have listened. 
 
Gene ----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] more spotify help

I am not sure I just know that spotify is showing the album

and it gives me the option  to save to my music but that is all it is allowing me to do
my guess is that it used to be streamable but they may have pulled of off the streaming part of spotify. I have seen this in the passed with rapsody will look in to this further.
to see if spotify pulled the album off of the streaming part of the service.
thanks
Hank

On 11/7/2016 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:
Judging from the almost nonexistent participation in this thread so far, who knows if you will get such answers.  Why not look on the web site for answers or do a Google search to try to find such information in a discussion of some sort or on a Spotify page that may come up in the results. 
 
I don't see how you can save an album you can't stream.  If it is not legal to stream something in a certain area due to license restrictions, I don't see how it can be available for download.  I wonder if it ever did download in the first place. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 6:55 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] more spotify help

Hello I saved some albums that will not stream but that do accordig to
spotify that will play from your saved music where do I access saved
music at to play the songs?






Re: Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light #article

Rob <captinlogic@...>
 

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
After all, whether you send visual impulses
directly to the brain or via the optic nerve, they still have to be
processed by the visual cortex in the end.

My point, however, is that the visual cortex, having had no visual impulses ever to process, won't know how. It has, perhaps, been doing the job of telling your arm to move up and down, instead of processing visual information.
I do wonder how they plan to get around things like that.


Re: Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

I am pretty sure that in most cases of sustained blindness,
the optic nerve is damaged. As long as there is some light
to see, it probably can be maintained, but once the lights
are out, regardless of condition, I think that eventually it
is compromised. Any little bit of light can make a world of
difference from no light at all.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 6:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows
blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

In my particular case, Retinoblastoma meant that my optic
nerve had to be removed. So I have strong interest in any
techniques which could potentially either completely bypass
or theoretically regenerate the optic nerve.

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Mitchel
<mailto:dbmitchel@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip
allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

quite often people with RP have good optic nerves
just the retina is damaged. I was told last time I was
checked that the nerve is good and pink and healthy.

From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 1:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip
allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

Nerve regeneration is tricky stuff. And even if
they manage to work out the details, it won't necessarily
work for everyone. I think a device which can bypass the
optic nerve altogether and directly stimulate the visual
cortex is likely to work in more cases and will probably
overall be easier to perfect in a semi-reasonable amount of
time.

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Mitchel
<mailto:dbmitchel@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic
eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots
of light

I too have RP and believe it is the stem
cell that is going to restore us if anything. if this sort
of thing gets better I'm sure a lot of people will go for
it.
seems I remember $73,000 was a price tag for
the surgery? or was that just for the item?


From: Marie <mailto:magpie.mn@...>
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 11:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic
eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots
of light

I think the research is great, however I
personally can't imagine going through eye surgery with the
results it is providing. After all, what real value is there
in seeing colors, lines or spots of light. But it is
encouraging that there are any results. since I have RP, my
optic nerves are just fine but they get no information's
because the photo receptor cells are almost totally
destroyed now. I still have some slight hopes for the stem
cell research.
Marie


From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 9:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic
eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots
of light

LOL I think I would rather wait for science
to perfect the device that directly stimulates the visual
cortex. Not only is it more likely to provide true sight,
but it just sounds cooler.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016
12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New
bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and
spots of light

Ya know I read an article awhile
back where they were experimenting with using nerves in the
tongue for sight, & were having limited success. I can't
find the article right now but, what I don't recall is how
they were doing this. I don't know if they were bypassing
the optic nerve, using bionics or what but, it was pretty
interesting. Can you imagine it, someone walking around,
flicking their tongue out & about, like a hungry frog /
lizard but, able to navigate because their eyes had been
replaced by a flicking tongue?!
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, November 06,
2016 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk]
Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see
lines, colors, and spots of light

Indeed, but again the
article discusses one device which bypasses the optic nerve
altogether and directly stimulates the visual cortex. LOL I
think the notion that an optic nerve is required to provide
artificial sight is somewhat outdated now since this is the
second article I have read which discusses such technology.
Of course it hasn't been perfected, but successful tests
with early designs indicates that the technology will almost
certainly be workable as it advances.

----- Original
Message -----
From: Jim Wohlgamuth

To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday,
November 06, 2016 11:57 PM
Subject: Re:
[TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman
to see lines, colors, and spots of light



Hi there!

What I have heard is
that it would be tricky if not imposible to transplant the
optic nerve since it is actually connected to the brain if I
understand correctly. BTW, I would be very interested in an
optic nerve transplant if it ever becomes possible! I do
however wonder why they can't simply place stem cells that
could reproduce and perhaps repair the damage in the nerve.
I still suspect this would be a very tricky operation
though.


I guess it never
hurts to dream a little or maybe a lot! THANKS&Have A Good
1! de
<KF8LT><Jim>.

On 06-Nov-16 23:30,
Mike B. wrote:


Hi Veronica,

You wouldn't believe
what kind of crap Medicare will & won't pay for! My doctor
was telling my wife & I about Medicare paying for a penial
implant for a 89 year old man! Go figure! The man claimed
he needed the pump up pecker to please his wife but, noone
bothered to ask his wife if this was true! This man was not
a patient of my doctor but, my doctor knew of the case
because he knew the Urologist that performed the surgery. A
little crazy ya think?!

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my
iBarstool.

----- Original
Message -----
From: Veronica Kirk
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday,
November 06, 2016 7:10 PM
Subject: Re:
[TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman
to see lines, colors, and spots of light



My wishes as well,
however, I doubt Medicare would pay for anything of this
nature considering how expensive it would be.



Veronica



From:
main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday,
November 02, 2016 1:14 PM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re:
[TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman
to see lines, colors, and spots of light



I sure wish they
would come out with some sort of optic nerve replacement.
You would think that being nerves run off of eletrical
stimulus that a small battery pack could be implanted to
give the nerves the necessary power to operate. But, I
would assume that getting the correct ohms / current would
be really hard to duplicate.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my
iBarstool. Dodgers, try again next year!

----- Original
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From: Carlos

To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday,
November 02, 2016 9:38 AM

Subject: Re:
[TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman
to see lines, colors, and spots of light



Um there's a link in
the message.

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From: Kimsan

To:
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Sent: Wednesday,
November 02, 2016 12:36 PM

Subject: Re:
[TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman
to see lines, colors, and spots of light



Good god oh mighty,
where's the article!



I'm ready now for
internet navigation lectures smile.



From:
main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday,
November 2, 2016 6:16 AM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk]
Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see
lines, colors, and spots of light




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Re: Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light #article

Carlos
 

Yes, but I suspect this is a problem which may be theoretically encountered with someone who has been blind their entire life no matter what technique is used to restore vision. After all, whether you send visual impulses directly to the brain or via the optic nerve, they still have to be processed by the visual cortex in the end.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light


Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
I think a device which can bypass the optic nerve altogether and directly stimulate the visual cortex is likely to work in more cases and will probably overall be easier to perfect in a semi-reasonable amount of time.

What about the fact that the visual cortex has already been coopted in a lot of people who have been blind since birth into doing some other task?
The brain is infinitely adaptable. If one part isn't doing its job, it gets rewired to do something else. That way no part of the brain lies fallow. That nonsense about how we only use ten percent of our brains is just that--nonsense.


Re: Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light #article

Rob <captinlogic@...>
 

Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
I think a device which can bypass the optic nerve altogether and directly stimulate the visual cortex is likely to work in more cases and will probably overall be easier to perfect in a semi-reasonable amount of time.

What about the fact that the visual cortex has already been coopted in a lot of people who have been blind since birth into doing some other task?
The brain is infinitely adaptable. If one part isn't doing its job, it gets rewired to do something else. That way no part of the brain lies fallow. That nonsense about how we only use ten percent of our brains is just that--nonsense.


Re: Portable YouTube to Mp3 Converter does it still work?

Carlos
 

Hello Naima,
 
Please do not change the subject when still discussing the same topic.  Doing so causes the
"group by conversation"
in mail clients and
"mute thread"
list features to be less affective for other members.
 
The problem you are experiencing is almost certainly being caused by your antivirus software.  If your virus scanner is flagging a program as dangerous, it will continue to delete/quarantine the file no matter how I send it to you.  As I said, you will have to figure out how to create an exception in your antivirus software so that it will stop deleting the file and allow it to run.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 7:38 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Portable YouTube to Mp3 Converter does it still work?

Carlos I downloaded it again and now it’s telling me that I can’t open the file because it was deleated. Does that have anything to do with my anti-virus too?

 

Are you shure it still works? Do you have another way I could get it?

 

Thanks

 

Naima

 


Re: more spotify help

 

I am not sure I just know that spotify is showing the album

and it gives me the option  to save to my music but that is all it is allowing me to do
my guess is that it used to be streamable but they may have pulled of off the streaming part of spotify. I have seen this in the passed with rapsody will look in to this further.
to see if spotify pulled the album off of the streaming part of the service.
thanks
Hank

On 11/7/2016 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:
Judging from the almost nonexistent participation in this thread so far, who knows if you will get such answers.  Why not look on the web site for answers or do a Google search to try to find such information in a discussion of some sort or on a Spotify page that may come up in the results. 
 
I don't see how you can save an album you can't stream.  If it is not legal to stream something in a certain area due to license restrictions, I don't see how it can be available for download.  I wonder if it ever did download in the first place. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 6:55 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] more spotify help

Hello I saved some albums that will not stream but that do accordig to
spotify that will play from your saved music where do I access saved
music at to play the songs?






Re: more spotify help

Gene
 

Judging from the almost nonexistent participation in this thread so far, who knows if you will get such answers.  Why not look on the web site for answers or do a Google search to try to find such information in a discussion of some sort or on a Spotify page that may come up in the results. 
 
I don't see how you can save an album you can't stream.  If it is not legal to stream something in a certain area due to license restrictions, I don't see how it can be available for download.  I wonder if it ever did download in the first place. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 6:55 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] more spotify help

Hello I saved some albums that will not stream but that do accordig to
spotify that will play from your saved music where do I access saved
music at to play the songs?





more spotify help

 

Hello I saved some albums that will not stream but that do accordig to spotify that will play from your saved music where do I access saved music at to play the songs?


Portable YouTube to Mp3 Converter does it still work?

Naima Leigh
 

Carlos I downloaded it again and now it’s telling me that I can’t open the file because it was deleated. Does that have anything to do with my anti-virus too?

 

Are you shure it still works? Do you have another way I could get it?

 

Thanks

 

Naima

 


Re: Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light #article

Dave Mitchel
 

yes, so the direct implant into the visual cortex would be the only way for you, unless successfu nerve regeneration can be accomplished. that is such a tricky thing though and most especially in the optic nerve. other nerve regeneration can happen on its own in some cases, but the results are not always optimal.
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
In my particular case, Retinoblastoma meant that my optic nerve had to be removed.  So I have strong interest in any techniques which could potentially either completely bypass or theoretically regenerate the optic nerve.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
quite often people with RP have good optic nerves just the retina is damaged. I was told last time I was checked that the nerve is good and pink and healthy.
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
Nerve regeneration is tricky stuff.  And even if they manage to work out the details, it won't necessarily work for everyone.  I think a device which can bypass the optic nerve altogether and directly stimulate the visual cortex is likely to work in more cases and will probably overall be easier to perfect in a semi-reasonable amount of time.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
I too have RP and believe it is the stem cell that is going to restore us if anything. if this sort of thing gets better I’m sure a lot of people will go for it.
seems I remember $73,000 was a price tag for the surgery? or was that just for the item?
 
 
From: Marie
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
I think the research is great, however I personally can’t imagine going through eye surgery with the results it is providing. After all, what real value is there in seeing colors, lines or spots of light. But it is encouraging that there are any results. since I have RP, my optic nerves are just fine but they get no information's because the photo receptor cells are almost totally destroyed now. I still have some slight hopes for the stem cell research.
Marie
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 9:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
LOL I think I would rather wait for science to perfect the device that directly stimulates the visual cortex.  Not only is it more likely to provide true sight, but it just sounds cooler.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
Ya know I read an article awhile back where they were experimenting with using nerves in the tongue for sight, & were having limited success.  I can't find the article right now but, what I don't recall is how they were doing this.  I don't know if they were bypassing the optic nerve, using bionics or what but, it was pretty interesting.  Can you imagine it, someone walking around, flicking their tongue out & about, like a hungry frog / lizard but, able to navigate because their eyes had been replaced by a flicking tongue?!
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
Indeed, but again the article discusses one device which bypasses the optic nerve altogether and directly stimulates the visual cortex.  LOL I think the notion that an optic nerve is required to provide artificial sight is somewhat outdated now since this is the second article I have read which discusses such technology.  Of course it hasn't been perfected, but successful tests with early designs indicates that the technology will almost certainly be workable as it advances.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Wohlgamuth
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

Hi there!

What I have heard is that it would be tricky if not imposible to transplant the optic nerve since it is actually connected to the brain if I understand correctly.  BTW, I would be very interested in an optic nerve transplant if it ever becomes possible! I do however wonder why they can't simply place stem cells that could reproduce and perhaps repair the damage in the nerve.  I still suspect this would be a very tricky operation though.   

I guess it never hurts to dream a little or maybe a lot! THANKS&Have A Good 1! de
<KF8LT><Jim>.
On 06-Nov-16 23:30, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Veronica,
 
You wouldn't believe what kind of crap Medicare will & won't pay for!  My doctor was telling my wife & I about Medicare paying for a penial implant for a 89 year old man!  Go figure!  The man claimed he needed the pump up pecker to please his wife but, noone bothered to ask his wife if this was true!  This man was not a patient of my doctor but, my doctor knew of the case because he knew the Urologist that performed the surgery.  A little crazy ya think?!
 
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

My wishes as well, however, I doubt Medicare would pay for anything of this nature considering how expensive it would be.

Veronica

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 1:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

I sure wish they would come out with some sort of optic nerve replacement.  You would think that being nerves run off of eletrical stimulus that a small battery pack could be implanted to give the nerves the necessary power to operate.  But, I would assume that getting the correct ohms / current would be really hard to duplicate.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Dodgers, try again next year!

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:38 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

Um there's a link in the message.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 12:36 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

Good god oh mighty, where’s the article!

I’m ready now for internet navigation lectures smile.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 6:16 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

http

://inhabitat.com/worlds-first-bionic-eye-could-soon-be-available-for-sale-in-the-us/



Re: Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light #article

Dave Mitchel
 

exactomundo. I think I’ll put a tens unit on my temples to see if that will stimulate the rods and cones.
 

From: Marie
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
I agree and it is not a verve issue in RP but the Photo Receptor cells which is why the stem cell research is our best chance.
Marie
 
 
From: Dave Mitchel
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 3:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
quite often people with RP have good optic nerves just the retina is damaged. I was told last time I was checked that the nerve is good and pink and healthy.
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 1:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
Nerve regeneration is tricky stuff.  And even if they manage to work out the details, it won't necessarily work for everyone.  I think a device which can bypass the optic nerve altogether and directly stimulate the visual cortex is likely to work in more cases and will probably overall be easier to perfect in a semi-reasonable amount of time.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Mitchel
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
I too have RP and believe it is the stem cell that is going to restore us if anything. if this sort of thing gets better I’m sure a lot of people will go for it.
seems I remember $73,000 was a price tag for the surgery? or was that just for the item?
 
 
From: Marie
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 11:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
I think the research is great, however I personally can’t imagine going through eye surgery with the results it is providing. After all, what real value is there in seeing colors, lines or spots of light. But it is encouraging that there are any results. since I have RP, my optic nerves are just fine but they get no information's because the photo receptor cells are almost totally destroyed now. I still have some slight hopes for the stem cell research.
Marie
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 9:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
LOL I think I would rather wait for science to perfect the device that directly stimulates the visual cortex.  Not only is it more likely to provide true sight, but it just sounds cooler.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
Ya know I read an article awhile back where they were experimenting with using nerves in the tongue for sight, & were having limited success.  I can't find the article right now but, what I don't recall is how they were doing this.  I don't know if they were bypassing the optic nerve, using bionics or what but, it was pretty interesting.  Can you imagine it, someone walking around, flicking their tongue out & about, like a hungry frog / lizard but, able to navigate because their eyes had been replaced by a flicking tongue?!
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light
 
Indeed, but again the article discusses one device which bypasses the optic nerve altogether and directly stimulates the visual cortex.  LOL I think the notion that an optic nerve is required to provide artificial sight is somewhat outdated now since this is the second article I have read which discusses such technology.  Of course it hasn't been perfected, but successful tests with early designs indicates that the technology will almost certainly be workable as it advances.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Wohlgamuth
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

Hi there!

What I have heard is that it would be tricky if not imposible to transplant the optic nerve since it is actually connected to the brain if I understand correctly.  BTW, I would be very interested in an optic nerve transplant if it ever becomes possible! I do however wonder why they can't simply place stem cells that could reproduce and perhaps repair the damage in the nerve.  I still suspect this would be a very tricky operation though.   

I guess it never hurts to dream a little or maybe a lot! THANKS&Have A Good 1! de
<KF8LT><Jim>.
On 06-Nov-16 23:30, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Veronica,
 
You wouldn't believe what kind of crap Medicare will & won't pay for!  My doctor was telling my wife & I about Medicare paying for a penial implant for a 89 year old man!  Go figure!  The man claimed he needed the pump up pecker to please his wife but, noone bothered to ask his wife if this was true!  This man was not a patient of my doctor but, my doctor knew of the case because he knew the Urologist that performed the surgery.  A little crazy ya think?!
 
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Veronica Kirk
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

My wishes as well, however, I doubt Medicare would pay for anything of this nature considering how expensive it would be.

Veronica

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 1:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

I sure wish they would come out with some sort of optic nerve replacement.  You would think that being nerves run off of eletrical stimulus that a small battery pack could be implanted to give the nerves the necessary power to operate.  But, I would assume that getting the correct ohms / current would be really hard to duplicate.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Dodgers, try again next year!

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:38 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

Um there's a link in the message.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 12:36 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

Good god oh mighty, where’s the article!

I’m ready now for internet navigation lectures smile.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 6:16 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Article: New bionic eye chip allows blind woman to see lines, colors, and spots of light

http

://inhabitat.com/worlds-first-bionic-eye-could-soon-be-available-for-sale-in-the-us/



Re: Carlos please help!

Carlos
 

I'm not sure what could be causing the problem, but in the second case it sounds as if your antivirus software may be falsely flagging the executable as dangerous and removing it.  If so, you will have to figure out how to create an exception so that your antivirus scanner will allow it to run.  The procedure is specific to the antivirus software so I'm afraid I can't really help much.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Carlos please help!

For the first one it starts to download and gets blocked and for the portable one I downloads but I can open it. I unzip everything and get a eror message telling me that the file has been moved or deleated. I really want this program!

I don’t know what I’m doing rong? Can you fix it?

 

Naima

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 6:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Carlos please help!

 

What happens when you try the download links?  It is worth noting that the link for the installer version is to the homepage, not a direct download link.

----- Original Message -----

From: Naima Leigh

Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 6:30 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Carlos please help!

 

I tried both of the YouTube to MP3 converter links and I can’t get it to download. What do I do?

 

I want this program! Please help!

 

Naima