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Re: Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

lynn white
 

I can only relate a portable experience based a Twitter client that I think is totally gone.

But, when I had it, the portable experience was awul. Not saying that all portable experiences would be bad. But that particular experience left a very bad taste in my mouth. One day, I might experience another portable client.

On 9/16/2020 10:15 AM, Gene wrote:
Perhaps if the user encounters problems he/she may want to test on an installed version.  But I am very satisfied with Firefox Portable and until the latest version of Thunderbird, 78.x, the portable versions I've tried have worked well.  While I don't know this, I think I'd see the same problems with the installed 78.x Thunderbird as with the portable version, but I haven't tested that.  We'll see if others report the problems I found.

There may be portable programs that don't have all the features of installed ones and there may be times when screen-readers don't work well or as well with portable versions.  But I think it’s a good idea to try portable versions and use them, if satisfied.  We all know how accessibility can change from one version of a program to another.  Portable versions allow you to try a new version and retain either the installed version you are using or retain the portable version you are currently using.

Also, another important consideration is that you appear far less likely to have potentially unwanted programs installed when using free software if you use portable programs.  I can't generalize from these instances, but I've seen two instances where the installed version of something tried to install potentially unwanted programs and the portable version didn't.  Considering that many of the installers don't provide accessible ways of informing the user that such programs will be installed unless they are declined, its actually somewhat dangerous to install free programs if portable versions are available and work well.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:45 AM, Lynette wrote:
this message makes no sense because of your practice of never including info about what you are responding to.-
Agreed.  It came out of nowhere and was apropos of nothing in the context of this topic.

But, back to Thunderbird.  I am going to give the exact opposite advice from Gene.   Portable versions are great things, and I use a lot of them, but if you're using a machine you "always use" and want an e-mail client it is best practice to use the installed version.  There are differences between portable and installed versions of virtually any product that has both.  And when it comes to using screen readers with them, you can be virtually certain that all testing related to the interaction between the two things is going to have used the installed versions of both. You're just adding a layer of uncertainty that seldom has any practical benefit by using a portable version of something that has an installed version.


Re: Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

lynn white
 

Agreed.

On 9/16/2020 9:44 AM, Lynette wrote:
Actually, this message makes no sense because of your practice of never including info about what you are responding t.


-----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 12:37 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

Hi all,

What has?  There's nothing that makes sense here.

Ann P.


Re: Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

Gene
 

Perhaps if the user encounters problems he/she may want to test on an installed version. But I am very satisfied with Firefox Portable and until the latest version of Thunderbird, 78.x, the portable versions I've tried have worked well. While I don't know this, I think I'd see the same problems with the installed 78.x Thunderbird as with the portable version, but I haven't tested that. We'll see if others report the problems I found.

There may be portable programs that don't have all the features of installed ones and there may be times when screen-readers don't work well or as well with portable versions. But I think it’s a good idea to try portable versions and use them, if satisfied. We all know how accessibility can change from one version of a program to another. Portable versions allow you to try a new version and retain either the installed version you are using or retain the portable version you are currently using.

Also, another important consideration is that you appear far less likely to have potentially unwanted programs installed when using free software if you use portable programs. I can't generalize from these instances, but I've seen two instances where the installed version of something tried to install potentially unwanted programs and the portable version didn't. Considering that many of the installers don't provide accessible ways of informing the user that such programs will be installed unless they are declined, its actually somewhat dangerous to install free programs if portable versions are available and work well.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:45 AM, Lynette wrote:
this message makes no sense because of your practice of never including info about what you are responding to.-
Agreed. It came out of nowhere and was apropos of nothing in the context of this topic.

But, back to Thunderbird. I am going to give the exact opposite advice from Gene. Portable versions are great things, and I use a lot of them, but if you're using a machine you "always use" and want an e-mail client it is best practice to use the installed version. There are differences between portable and installed versions of virtually any product that has both. And when it comes to using screen readers with them, you can be virtually certain that all testing related to the interaction between the two things is going to have used the installed versions of both. You're just adding a layer of uncertainty that seldom has any practical benefit by using a portable version of something that has an installed version.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Faxing questions

 

Kathy,

            I would feel far more secure about using the Staples service than submitting anything online, which would mean having an electronic copy out there.  The folks at Staples fax a lot of stuff and they don't give a flying fig about what they're faxing that I've ever noticed.  If you hand them the ready to fax item, including the cover sheet, they grab it, fax it, hand it back and charge you.

            And, by the way, I would also take the time to complain to the entity that's insisting on a FAX.  Very few of us ever had FAX machines and these days even fewer of us do.  It's perfectly possible to send the same document via e-mail or via a secure customer portal, and in this day and age that's what they should be doing.  Insisting on FAX makes customers' lives miserable for no reason.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

 

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:45 AM, Lynette wrote:
this message makes no sense because of your practice of never including info about what you are responding to.
-
Agreed.  It came out of nowhere and was apropos of nothing in the context of this topic.

But, back to Thunderbird.  I am going to give the exact opposite advice from Gene.   Portable versions are great things, and I use a lot of them, but if you're using a machine you "always use" and want an e-mail client it is best practice to use the installed version.  There are differences between portable and installed versions of virtually any product that has both.  And when it comes to using screen readers with them, you can be virtually certain that all testing related to the interaction between the two things is going to have used the installed versions of both.  You're just adding a layer of uncertainty that seldom has any practical benefit by using a portable version of something that has an installed version.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

Gene
 

You aren't creating a portable version from the currently installed version.  You are placing a portable version on your machine. I haven't looked into whether you can import settings and messages and the address book from the installed version.


Gene

On 9/16/2020 9:35 AM, Lynette wrote:
If you are currently using TB, and  you create a portable version, will all your setting transfer to the portable version?
TIA
Lynette


-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

I don't know what is causing it.  Do you have more than one account?  If so,
you need to turn off the setting for all accounts individually.

You said this just started happening.  Brian spoke of possible corruption of
the program and that could be.  You may want to uninstall and install it
again as he suggests.  Something detrimental evidently happened since you
didn't have this behavior before.

Even if you solve the problem, you may still want to consider the following:
One thing I encourage people to do is use Thunderbird portable. You can keep
your installed version and try the portable version so you will have no
delay or interruption in receiving e-mail.

The reasons I say that people should use the portable version are that you
can move the program to any machine you want and have all your e-mail and
settings, except that I don't know if you will have message rules
transferred.
You can run it from something like a thumb drive if you are using a machine
that isn't yours and that you don't have the program on.  And you can keep a
backup copy so that if the program becomes corrupted, you can simply delete
it and copy the backup copy to the location where you usually have the
program.  To keep the backup copy current, you can delete the backup when
you want and copy the one you are using to that location again. This will
preserve your e-mail and any changes you have made to the program, such as
settings changes and probably add-ons as well.

You won't have to trouble shoot problems anymore that arise from corruption
of the program.  You can just replace it by deleting it and copying the
backup copy to the location you run the program from.
Although I use the Brave browser for most of my browsing, I use Firefox
portable off and on and I use the portable version for the same reasons.

I use portable versions of programs where they either do everything the
installed version does or where the portable version does the things I want
it to do.

-----Original Message----- From: lynn white
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:16 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

Hey Gene,

First of all, thank you as always. I perform the step by step method
that you gave. Unfortunately, I'm still getting this message from the
Tbird.

If you have any other ideas, I've got an open ear.

On 9/15/2020 9:04 AM, Gene wrote:
You can turn off the spam filter.  You don't needit if your provider filters spam well.  I don't use a spam filter on my machine and I get almost no spam because the GMail spam filter filters out just about everything.

Here is how you do it.
New main steps start on new lines.
I'll go into more detail if you need me to about how to find things.
Open tools with alt t.
Type s to open the account settings dialog.
Down arrow to junk settings.
Tab a few times until you get to Enable adaptive junk mail controls for this account.
Uncheckit with the space bar.
Tab to and activate the ok button.
The intrusive and annoying messages will be gone and you may wwell se little or no more spam than you do now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: lynn white
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:48 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

This has suddenly started popping up for every message. Fixes? Thanks.








I use portable versions of programs where they do the same things as the
nonportable versions or if they do what I want even if they don't do
everything.

Gene






Re: Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

Lynette
 

Actually, this message makes no sense because of your practice of never including info about what you are responding t.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 12:37 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

Hi all,

What has? There's nothing that makes sense here.

Ann P.

--
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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
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Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Faxing questions

Kathy Pingstock
 

Good morning,
I have a question on faxing services. I do not have my own fax, I had a name change and I have to send a fax to update my name change for my credit cards, The information they want is sensitive information, I did hear that Staples offers a faxing service but also there are services online that you can do without having your own facts. I wanted to find out if anyone has used online faxing services and if so which ones do you recommend or would it be more secure for me to go to Staples
I am new with all of this thank you Kathy


Re: Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

Lynette
 

If you are currently using TB, and you create a portable version, will all your setting transfer to the portable version?
TIA
Lynette

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

I don't know what is causing it. Do you have more than one account? If so,
you need to turn off the setting for all accounts individually.

You said this just started happening. Brian spoke of possible corruption of
the program and that could be. You may want to uninstall and install it
again as he suggests. Something detrimental evidently happened since you
didn't have this behavior before.

Even if you solve the problem, you may still want to consider the following:
One thing I encourage people to do is use Thunderbird portable. You can keep
your installed version and try the portable version so you will have no
delay or interruption in receiving e-mail.

The reasons I say that people should use the portable version are that you
can move the program to any machine you want and have all your e-mail and
settings, except that I don't know if you will have message rules
transferred.
You can run it from something like a thumb drive if you are using a machine
that isn't yours and that you don't have the program on. And you can keep a
backup copy so that if the program becomes corrupted, you can simply delete
it and copy the backup copy to the location where you usually have the
program. To keep the backup copy current, you can delete the backup when
you want and copy the one you are using to that location again. This will
preserve your e-mail and any changes you have made to the program, such as
settings changes and probably add-ons as well.

You won't have to trouble shoot problems anymore that arise from corruption
of the program. You can just replace it by deleting it and copying the
backup copy to the location you run the program from.
Although I use the Brave browser for most of my browsing, I use Firefox
portable off and on and I use the portable version for the same reasons.

I use portable versions of programs where they either do everything the
installed version does or where the portable version does the things I want
it to do.

-----Original Message-----
From: lynn white
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:16 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

Hey Gene,

First of all, thank you as always. I perform the step by step method
that you gave. Unfortunately, I'm still getting this message from the
Tbird.

If you have any other ideas, I've got an open ear.

On 9/15/2020 9:04 AM, Gene wrote:
You can turn off the spam filter. You don't needit if your provider filters spam well. I don't use a spam filter on my machine and I get almost no spam because the GMail spam filter filters out just about everything.

Here is how you do it.
New main steps start on new lines.
I'll go into more detail if you need me to about how to find things.
Open tools with alt t.
Type s to open the account settings dialog.
Down arrow to junk settings.
Tab a few times until you get to Enable adaptive junk mail controls for this account.
Uncheckit with the space bar.
Tab to and activate the ok button.
The intrusive and annoying messages will be gone and you may wwell se little or no more spam than you do now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: lynn white
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:48 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

This has suddenly started popping up for every message. Fixes? Thanks.








I use portable versions of programs where they do the same things as the
nonportable versions or if they do what I want even if they don't do
everything.

Gene


Re: Changing password on an iCloud/Me.com address

 

Alan,

          I don't get why you think your question is unanswered.  Your Apple ID is the central userid, and all else follows from it.

          Try setting up your existing iCloud and me.com email addresses in another email client (as a test) with your current Apple ID password.  It's almost certain to work, but you can't know without testing it.

           The last thing I posted from Apple support states, in no uncertain terms, that your Apple ID password is your password everywhere.  And I have done the best I can to explain how things might be set up such that what you already have set up using the old password might continue to work.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Changing password on an iCloud/Me.com address

Alan Robbins
 

Brian,

 

Thanks for all the input on this thread.

So, I guess we’ve gone full circle with the question of how to change an iCloud.com email password unanswered.

Final question on this would be how does one establish a new iCloud.com email address and if done, is it possible to manage a password with the new address?

 

Thanks,

Alan

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing password on an iCloud/Me.com address

 

Al,

          My guess is, then, that Apple will allow pre-existing "relationships" between email clients and their servers to remain active with the passwords that were in force at the time the relationship was formed until and unless you go in to manually change them to match whatever you've set for your Apple ID.  Then, if you do that, then go back and change your Apple ID password again, they'll probably keep working.

           I personally find this system bizarre, but you can do the same thing with a Microsoft Account and the Microsoft Account linked Windows 10 User Account.  If you change the password on your Microsoft Account, you can still use the old one on Windows 10 until or unless you were to enter the new one you've set at microsoft.com.  If you do that then the old one will be supplanted.  But I can understand this for logging in to a machine, because if you were to be offline you absolutely must have some way of allowing a user to log in and that means having a local copy of the password, which is what gets used if you're offline or used first if you enter it correctly even if you're online.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Maps

E.M. Kirtley
 

Hello, If you email me your address I can send you a wooden puzzle I purchased for my grandchild years ago. It is still good, and wrapped in cling-wrap.

Cordially, Ms. Kirtley, ekirtley45@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 12:51 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Maps

Try APH.



73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 12:11 AM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] Maps

All, I am hoping to find someplace where I can get a map of the United
States. I want one I can touch and see the relationship of the states
to one another. Does anyone know of such a product or can you give me
an idea of where to look?


Thanks for your help,

Nancy


Re: Accessible terminal program

Gene
 

That explains it. For a long time, I almost never used this Windows 7 machine online and I haven't updated it now that I'm using it online.

I had thought that browsers automatically updated CERT information but from your answer and the little I read since reading yours, I see that that isn't true for some or many browsers.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 4:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

Hi.

That line along with the fact that i didn't get an error when visiting
the page makes me think that maybe the windows certificate store is out
of date. Have you run updates lately?

It would also explain the fact that firefox works for you because
firefox uses its own cert store and doesn't need the windows certs.

For anyone else, the site should be safe to visit.

The below link is one possible explaination of why this isn't working
for you, It very much depends on the updates you may or may not have done.

https://sectigo.com/resource-library/may-30-addtrust-root-expiration-explained


Thanks.



On 9/15/2020 8:58 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't look at the advanced section. I went to the page again and here is one line:
NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Norman
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 6:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

Interesting. I don't get this certificate error if using brave.

I wonder what the error is? If you click advanced is there an error message?


On 9/15/2020 3:12 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know if it means anything but when using Brave and Chrome, both more or less the same browser, I get a security message that the certificate is invalid. I don't know if it matters. Firefox shows no such message. Does that mean anything concerning how safe the browsers are in this respect if a site has an expired certificate?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Frank Ventura
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

This is where you can get Hyper Terminal for Windows 10. There is even a version that supports scripting:
https://www.hilgraeve.com/

Frank Ventura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

Here is a correction. It was a long time ago, but I just remembered that I didn't use the hyperterminal program in XP. I don't know how easy it was to use but I started out using the Hyperterminal in Windows 95 and 98, which are very different in terms of interface. I seem to recall that Hyperterminal in XP is a command line program and I didn't want to fool around with it since the Windows 95 and 98 version was so easy to use, having a Windows interface. So the forum discussion I provided may not be useful.

There was some sort of security problem with the Windows 95/98 hyperterminal but it doesn't matter for how you are going to use it.

I placed the Windows 95/98 program on my XP machine and used it but I don't know if it runs in Windows 7 and higher.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

This discussion may be helpful.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-other_settings/hyperterminal-windows-10/b91760c3-86ac-47bb-abfa-2bf0b01aa9b7
I don't know what Hyperterminal is like now. I used to use it in XP for transfering files from a Braille 'N Speak but I don't know how the program may have changed since then.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

Rick, thanks for this info. Someone on a Facebook group acquired a used Blazie Engineering Type 'n Speak and was asking about what could be used to facilitate file transfers to and from the device. Aside from Blazie's proprietary software many of us used terminal programs such as Procomm, Telix and Commo but these likely wouldn't be reasonable options in a Windows 10 environment. I was hoping to find an accessible terminal program to recommend to her. If I feel motivated to do it I may fire up my Bns or Braille Lite to see if Terraterm can communicate with it.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 9/15/2020 8:16 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
Frank, a while back I ran across the need to use a terminal program
and looked at a few of them. The most accessible one to me seemed to
be Tera Term which is the one I used for that project. My needs were
simple so my knowledge of the program is quite shallow but you can
give it a try and see if it works for you. I don't have the link but a
Google search will find it.





Warmest regards

Rick Alfaro

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Frank Ventura
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 6:37 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

Hi all, can anyone recommend the most accessible terminal program for
serial communications?
Thanks
Frank Ventura
























Re: Accessible terminal program

Norman
 

Hi.

That line along with the fact that i didn't get an error when visiting the page makes me think that maybe the windows certificate store is out of date. Have you run updates lately?

It would also explain the fact that firefox works for you because firefox uses its own cert store and doesn't need the windows certs.

For anyone else, the site should be safe to visit.

The below link is one possible explaination of why this isn't working for you, It very much depends on the updates you may or may not have done.

https://sectigo.com/resource-library/may-30-addtrust-root-expiration-explained


Thanks.

On 9/15/2020 8:58 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't look at the advanced section.  I went to the page again and here is one line:
NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Norman
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 6:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

Interesting. I don't get this certificate error if using brave.

I wonder what the error is? If you click advanced is there an error message?


On 9/15/2020 3:12 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know if it means anything but when using Brave and Chrome, both more or less the same browser, I get a security message that the certificate is invalid.  I don't know if it matters.  Firefox shows no such message.  Does that mean anything concerning how safe the browsers are in this respect if a site has an expired certificate?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Frank Ventura
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

This is where you can get Hyper Terminal for Windows 10. There is even a version that supports scripting:
https://www.hilgraeve.com/

Frank Ventura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

Here is a correction.  It was a long time ago, but I just remembered that I didn't use the hyperterminal program in XP.  I don't know how easy it was to use but I started out using the Hyperterminal in Windows 95 and 98, which are very different in terms of interface.  I seem to recall that Hyperterminal in XP is a command line program and I didn't want to fool around with it since the Windows 95 and 98 version was so easy to use, having a Windows interface.  So the forum discussion I provided may not be useful.

There was some sort of security problem with the Windows 95/98 hyperterminal but it doesn't matter for how you are going to use it.

I placed the Windows 95/98 program on my XP machine and used it but I don't know if it runs in Windows 7 and higher.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

This discussion may be helpful.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-other_settings/hyperterminal-windows-10/b91760c3-86ac-47bb-abfa-2bf0b01aa9b7
I don't know what Hyperterminal is like now.  I used to use it in XP for transfering files from a Braille 'N Speak but I don't know how the program may have changed since then.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

Rick, thanks for this info. Someone on a Facebook group acquired a used Blazie Engineering Type 'n Speak and was asking about what could be used to facilitate file transfers to and from the device. Aside from Blazie's proprietary software many of us used terminal programs such as Procomm, Telix and Commo but these likely wouldn't be reasonable options in a Windows 10 environment. I was hoping to find an accessible terminal program to recommend to her. If I feel motivated to do it I may fire up my Bns or Braille Lite to see if Terraterm can communicate with it.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 9/15/2020 8:16 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
Frank, a while back I ran across the need to use a terminal program
and looked at a few of them. The most accessible one to me seemed to
be Tera Term which is the one I used for that project. My needs were
simple so my knowledge of the program is quite shallow but you can
give it a try and see if it works for you. I don't have the link but a
Google search will find it.





Warmest regards

Rick Alfaro

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Frank Ventura
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 6:37 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

Hi all, can anyone recommend the most accessible terminal program for
serial communications?
Thanks
Frank Ventura























Re: chromebooks or iPads?

Victor
 

Hi Josh:

I recommend sticking with the iPad.  Especially if you want to run a variety of applications.

As I'm sure you know, Chrome Books run the Chrome operating system which is webb-based.  That means you have to use the online versions of common applications such as Microsoft Word.  I've read that before switching to a Chrome Book, one should use the Chrome webb web browser exclusively for a week.  Use that browser to perform all of your major tasks.  That'll help you decide.

The iPadis a great tablet computer and it'll give you more options.

I might be wrong, but I don't think Chrome Books run many Android applications.  If you're interested in Android, you might be better off getting an Android phone or tablet.  But I recommend the iPad.  I like the iPad Pro a lot.

Hth,

Victor

On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:



Hi,

I was thinking of getting a Chromebook, maybe, to play around with. I have an iPad and like it a lot because the voiceover screen reader works great with my orbit reader braille display. So does chromeVox and chromebooks have as good of braille support? I know iPad supports Japanese braille very good. Does the Chromebook? Or is iPad and jaws or NVDA on windows still the best for braille users? And how does the play store and other android apps work on chromebooks? Are they better than on android phones? 

 

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


This week on Eyes On Success: Race and Blindness

blueskies11
 

This week’s episode of eyes On Success is:

2038 Race and Blindness (Sep. 16, 2020)
Show Notes
Anil Lewis is the executive director of blindness initiatives for the National Federation of the Blind. He says that “Being Black Helped Me Be Blind and Being Blind Helped Me Understand that #BlackLivesMatter.” Hosts Nancy and Peter Torpey talk with Anil about his experiences as a blind person of color and how those experiences affected his life and ambitions.

 

Find the audio, show notes, and much more at:

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Check out Eyes On Success (formerly ViewPoints)

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Re: signing up for amazon prime

 

Don’t forget that if you qualify for low income you can get a very big discount for monthly subscription to prime. I am on Medicaid so I qualify… You have to show proof. It’s the same as a regular prime subscription you just can’t share your account. You should be able to call Amazon Disability and ask them about it… I love that line I never use anything else.

Melissa

On Sep 11, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Troy Burnham <troyburnham34@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I have the 30-day trial of amazon prime for now, and I know that normally after the 30 days that I'd automatically be charged but I called and asked for that not to happen right after I got the trial a couple of weeks ago. I decided that I do want to keep prime though, so I called the amazon disability line and was sent a link to amazon.com/prime but I don't see anywhere on there to sign up. Unless I have to wait for the trial to run out before I can sign up can anybody tell me what to do to sign up? Btw I want to pay monthly.

Thanks.

Troy





Re: a strange issue with my windows ten computer.

 

My new laptop is doing something similar. When I called Microsoft disability through Be My Eyes app… I was told that the latest update is giving some people issues. Honestly, I didn’t have problems like this until my computer updated itself. I had even pushed back the updates seven days and apparently that didn’t work because they still installed themselves. Jaws had an update recently also. I’m going to try running  NVDA  and hope that helps… It’s frustrating because it usually happens while I’m in the middle of doing schoolwork or writing an email.

Melissa

On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...> wrote:



Hi all,

When I first turn on my computer, after it has been off for a few hours, all works ok, except, all of a sudden, the computer shuts down. I could be reading an email, or listening to a song, or whatever, and all of a sudden I have nothing. I asked my sighted wife is the screen showed anything, and she said it was blank. So, I do a reboot, and it comes up, and after that, all is fine, until the next time, when I shut down for a while, and the sequence begins again, I start the computer, it works ok for let's say ten minutes or so, and then it shuts down. And after I reboot, all is fine.

I am running windows ten, and, jaws 2020.I went into my control panel, and to power options, and told it to shut down, when I shut the computer down, ion battery an plugged in. I also told it, to shut down, when on battery when the lid closes, and the same when plugged in.do you have any ideas why it is acting this way? Thanks for your help. Jim


Re: Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

lynn white
 

Hey Brian,

I'm too tired to expend that much energy on something like that. But please know how much I appreciate you and Gene for your willingness to offer such good health.

On 9/15/2020 6:18 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 07:13 PM, lynn white wrote:
Don't know why but it is performing as expected.
-
I'm glad to hear that.  As you've now learned by experience, one often cannot know why an error came into existence in the first place and sometimes a reinstall or an upgrade gets rid of it.

There are odd things that really do defy explanation without expending way, way, way more effort than it's worth, as things like this are seldom the result of something the user did, or did not, do. 
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Accessible terminal program

Gene
 

I didn't look at the advanced section. I went to the page again and here is one line:
NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 6:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

Interesting. I don't get this certificate error if using brave.

I wonder what the error is? If you click advanced is there an error message?


On 9/15/2020 3:12 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know if it means anything but when using Brave and Chrome, both more or less the same browser, I get a security message that the certificate is invalid. I don't know if it matters. Firefox shows no such message. Does that mean anything concerning how safe the browsers are in this respect if a site has an expired certificate?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Frank Ventura
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

This is where you can get Hyper Terminal for Windows 10. There is even a version that supports scripting:
https://www.hilgraeve.com/

Frank Ventura


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

Here is a correction. It was a long time ago, but I just remembered that I didn't use the hyperterminal program in XP. I don't know how easy it was to use but I started out using the Hyperterminal in Windows 95 and 98, which are very different in terms of interface. I seem to recall that Hyperterminal in XP is a command line program and I didn't want to fool around with it since the Windows 95 and 98 version was so easy to use, having a Windows interface. So the forum discussion I provided may not be useful.

There was some sort of security problem with the Windows 95/98 hyperterminal but it doesn't matter for how you are going to use it.

I placed the Windows 95/98 program on my XP machine and used it but I don't know if it runs in Windows 7 and higher.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

This discussion may be helpful.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-other_settings/hyperterminal-windows-10/b91760c3-86ac-47bb-abfa-2bf0b01aa9b7
I don't know what Hyperterminal is like now. I used to use it in XP for transfering files from a Braille 'N Speak but I don't know how the program may have changed since then.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

Rick, thanks for this info. Someone on a Facebook group acquired a used Blazie Engineering Type 'n Speak and was asking about what could be used to facilitate file transfers to and from the device. Aside from Blazie's proprietary software many of us used terminal programs such as Procomm, Telix and Commo but these likely wouldn't be reasonable options in a Windows 10 environment. I was hoping to find an accessible terminal program to recommend to her. If I feel motivated to do it I may fire up my Bns or Braille Lite to see if Terraterm can communicate with it.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 9/15/2020 8:16 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
Frank, a while back I ran across the need to use a terminal program
and looked at a few of them. The most accessible one to me seemed to
be Tera Term which is the one I used for that project. My needs were
simple so my knowledge of the program is quite shallow but you can
give it a try and see if it works for you. I don't have the link but a
Google search will find it.





Warmest regards

Rick Alfaro

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Frank Ventura
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 6:37 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Accessible terminal program

Hi all, can anyone recommend the most accessible terminal program for
serial communications?
Thanks
Frank Ventura