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Re: Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7 #article

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Hi Pam, I am the same way. Minus constantly at my hip. I say it's the battery for my body. So whenever it wants to die I say I'm going to die too.
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On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Pamela Dominguez <geodom@...> wrote:

Yes, and the person who is selling my mother's house, every time she sees my
phone, she says:  "We have to get you an iPhone!"  I tell her "Not in this
lifetime!"  But she sees my phone again, and next thing I know, out she
comes with that again!  I know she means well, because her iPhone is
practically part of her anatomy, but that's a whole different story.  Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 6:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

I agree.  Although that particular issue isn't specific to Apple. Quite a
few smart phones are in the same price range, but manufacturers get away
with it because many consumers receive the phones as part of a contract so
they don't wind up paying nearly that much up front.  My problem with Apple
is more their general policy of price gouging by making everything
proprietary.  Like their refusal to include memory card slots in i devices
so that you're forced to pay a premium for higher capacity models.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7



Yeah, but $649 for a freakin' cell phone is even more ridiculous, but what
do I know?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 4:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

Yeah, and $159 for wireless headphones is ridiculous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenron" <lenron93@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


lol I know right it's lovely. Such away to try to drain pockets. With
only a 5 hour battery um those things suck.

On 9/8/16, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
LOL and isn't it so nice of Apple that they just happened to release
wireless AirPods along with their new iPhone after removing the headphone
jack.  And even better, you get to pay $159 for the privilege of owning
them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenron" <lenron93@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


I hate this stupid idea. I just don't think wireless is there yet.
Also I don't want to have to use bluetooth headsets all the time.
Batteries die at least with my old 3.5 headphones not a problem. Yes I
get that they put an adapter in the box but I can't exactly charge and
listen with my headset at the same time.

On 9/8/16, Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...> wrote:
Hi Pat, I've very well agree with you. This is why when right tried to
share
a link that I make sure that I include the text as well.
Joseph Hudson
group owner for iPad help for the blind
IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io
<mailto:IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io>
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On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Pat Seed <patatips@...> wrote:

Hi, I know that I am not a moderator. However, that comment was Uncalled
for.
Actually, it is helpful to have the information with the link. There
have
been new people coming to this group lately. We have no idea how much
they
know, or if anyone out there is a beginner, whether they have access to
internet training, ETC. So, thank you for placing the information with
the
link. It is Very Much Appreciated.
Blessings and All the Very Best, Pat


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed
the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

Here you go lazy ass!  LOL  LOL

From: Christopher Hallsworth <mailto:challsworth2@...>

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/
<http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/>

Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in
iPhone
7

By Cody Lee, Sep 7, 2016

iPhone 7 lighrtning connectorwh

On Wednesday, Apple confirmed that the rumors are true: there is no
headphone jack in the iPhone 7. Apple is including a new pair of EarPods
in the box with the handset, as well as an adapter for connecting the
headphones to the legacy 3.5mm port, and it also announced new wireless
earbuds called AirPods.

Apple SVP Phil Schiller explains the move: “The reason to move on:
courage. The courage to move on and do something new that betters all of
us.” Schiller says removing headphone jack will free up space, which is
growing ever-limited with new components, and Apple’s ultimate vision
for
mobile audio is “wireless.”
iPhone 7 adaptor in box

“Up till now no one has taken on the challenge of fixing the things that
are difficult to do on those wireless experiences and make them so we
all
want to do them. Our team at Apple has worked so hard to create
something
new that delivers on the opportunity to create the wireless experience.”

So there you have it. For all of you folks out there wondering how Apple
would justify removing the headphone jack from the iPhone 7: they say
it’s
because the port was a poor use of space and ultimately they see all
headphones becoming wireless. Coincidentally, they also announced
multiple
new pairs of Bluetooth headphones today.

We’d love to hear your thoughts on the move, sound off below!
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed
the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

You should paste the article or every time you send a link Chris, you
should
paste the article below. I'm to lazy to click the link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link by now based on the length
of
this email.

Kimsan Song
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>] On Behalf Of
Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/
<http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/>





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Re: Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7 #article

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

I heard on another group, that the adapter that Apple is supplying. He is going to be a split and Doctor. to where you will be able to plug in a regular pair of headphones/A lightning adapter to charger Mobile device. It is either that, or a third party is supplying it.
Joseph Hudson
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On Sep 8, 2016, at 2:51 AM, Lenron <lenron93@...> wrote:

I hate this stupid idea. I just don't think wireless is there yet.
Also I don't want to have to use bluetooth headsets all the time.
Batteries die at least with my old 3.5 headphones not a problem. Yes I
get that they put an adapter in the box but I can't exactly charge and
listen with my headset at the same time.

On 9/8/16, Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...> wrote:
Hi Pat, I've very well agree with you. This is why when right tried to share
a link that I make sure that I include the text as well.
Joseph Hudson
group owner for iPad help for the blind
IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io
<mailto:IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io>
Email
jhud7789@... <mailto:jhud7789@...>
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Telephone
2543007667
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On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Pat Seed <patatips@...> wrote:

Hi, I know that I am not a moderator. However, that comment was Uncalled
for.
Actually, it is helpful to have the information with the link. There have
been new people coming to this group lately. We have no idea how much they
know, or if anyone out there is a beginner, whether they have access to
internet training, ETC. So, thank you for placing the information with the
link. It is Very Much Appreciated.
Blessings and All the Very Best, Pat


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

Here you go lazy ass!  LOL  LOL

From: Christopher Hallsworth <mailto:challsworth2@...>

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/
<http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/>

Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone
7

By Cody Lee, Sep 7, 2016

iPhone 7 lighrtning connectorwh

On Wednesday, Apple confirmed that the rumors are true: there is no
headphone jack in the iPhone 7. Apple is including a new pair of EarPods
in the box with the handset, as well as an adapter for connecting the
headphones to the legacy 3.5mm port, and it also announced new wireless
earbuds called AirPods.

Apple SVP Phil Schiller explains the move: “The reason to move on:
courage. The courage to move on and do something new that betters all of
us.” Schiller says removing headphone jack will free up space, which is
growing ever-limited with new components, and Apple’s ultimate vision for
mobile audio is “wireless.”
iPhone 7 adaptor in box

“Up till now no one has taken on the challenge of fixing the things that
are difficult to do on those wireless experiences and make them so we all
want to do them. Our team at Apple has worked so hard to create something
new that delivers on the opportunity to create the wireless experience.”

So there you have it. For all of you folks out there wondering how Apple
would justify removing the headphone jack from the iPhone 7: they say it’s
because the port was a poor use of space and ultimately they see all
headphones becoming wireless. Coincidentally, they also announced multiple
new pairs of Bluetooth headphones today.

We’d love to hear your thoughts on the move, sound off below!
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

You should paste the article or every time you send a link Chris, you
should
paste the article below. I'm to lazy to click the link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link by now based on the length of
this email.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>] On Behalf Of
Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/
<http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/>





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Re: Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7 #article

Kimsan
 

All I can say is that is a buck load of money for headphones…

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

 

Sorry, I don't care about it's capabilities.  I'm not paying $159 for wireless headphones.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

 

I think you should think about the capability of these headphones before you say that. Why don't you go to Best Buy and look at the age of 800 from Best Buy whenever it first came out it was dollar 100. And it offers the same capability, as hey new apple ear pods.

Joseph Hudson

group owner for iPad help for the blind

Email

I device support

Telephone

2543007667

Skype

joseph.hudson89 facebook

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On Sep 8, 2016, at 3:23 AM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

 

Yeah, and $159 for wireless headphones is ridiculous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenron" <
lenron93@...>
To: <
main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


lol I know right it's lovely. Such away to try to drain pockets. With
only a 5 hour battery um those things suck.

On 9/8/16, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

LOL and isn't it so nice of Apple that they just happened to release
wireless AirPods along with their new iPhone after removing the headphone
jack.  And even better, you get to pay $159 for the privilege of owning
them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenron" <lenron93@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


I hate this stupid idea. I just don't think wireless is there yet.
Also I don't want to have to use bluetooth headsets all the time.
Batteries die at least with my old 3.5 headphones not a problem. Yes I
get that they put an adapter in the box but I can't exactly charge and
listen with my headset at the same time.

On 9/8/16, Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...> wrote:

Hi Pat, I've very well agree with you. This is why when right tried to
share
a link that I make sure that I include the text as well.
Joseph Hudson
group owner for iPad help for the blind
IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io
<mailto:IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io>
Email
jhud7789@... <mailto:jhud7789@...>
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
<https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404>
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@... <mailto:jhud7789@...>

On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Pat Seed <patatips@...> wrote:

Hi, I know that I am not a moderator. However, that comment was Uncalled
for.
Actually, it is helpful to have the information with the link. There
have
been new people coming to this group lately. We have no idea how much
they
know, or if anyone out there is a beginner, whether they have access to
internet training, ETC. So, thank you for placing the information with
the
link. It is Very Much Appreciated.
Blessings and All the Very Best, Pat


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed
the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

Here you go lazy ass!  LOL  LOL

From: Christopher Hallsworth <mailto:challsworth2@...>

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/
<http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/>

Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in
iPhone
7

By Cody Lee, Sep 7, 2016

iPhone 7 lighrtning connectorwh

On Wednesday, Apple confirmed that the rumors are true: there is no
headphone jack in the iPhone 7. Apple is including a new pair of EarPods
in the box with the handset, as well as an adapter for connecting the
headphones to the legacy 3.5mm port, and it also announced new wireless
earbuds called AirPods.

Apple SVP Phil Schiller explains the move: “The reason to move on:
courage. The courage to move on and do something new that betters all of
us.” Schiller says removing headphone jack will free up space, which is
growing ever-limited with new components, and Apple’s ultimate vision
for
mobile audio is “wireless.”
iPhone 7 adaptor in box

“Up till now no one has taken on the challenge of fixing the things that
are difficult to do on those wireless experiences and make them so we
all
want to do them. Our team at Apple has worked so hard to create
something
new that delivers on the opportunity to create the wireless experience.”

So there you have it. For all of you folks out there wondering how Apple
would justify removing the headphone jack from the iPhone 7: they say
it’s
because the port was a poor use of space and ultimately they see all
headphones becoming wireless. Coincidentally, they also announced
multiple
new pairs of Bluetooth headphones today.

We’d love to hear your thoughts on the move, sound off below!
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed
the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

You should paste the article or every time you send a link Chris, you
should
paste the article below. I'm to lazy to click the link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link by now based on the length
of
this email.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
] On Behalf Of
Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/
<http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/>





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Re: Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7 #article

Carlos
 


Sorry, I don't care about it's capabilities.  I'm not paying $159 for wireless headphones.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

I think you should think about the capability of these headphones before you say that. Why don't you go to Best Buy and look at the age of 800 from Best Buy whenever it first came out it was dollar 100. And it offers the same capability, as hey new apple ear pods.
Joseph Hudson
group owner for iPad help for the blind
Email
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
Twitter

FaceTime/iMessage

On Sep 8, 2016, at 3:23 AM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

Yeah, and $159 for wireless headphones is ridiculous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenron" <lenron93@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


lol I know right it's lovely. Such away to try to drain pockets. With
only a 5 hour battery um those things suck.

On 9/8/16, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
LOL and isn't it so nice of Apple that they just happened to release
wireless AirPods along with their new iPhone after removing the headphone
jack.  And even better, you get to pay $159 for the privilege of owning
them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenron" <lenron93@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


I hate this stupid idea. I just don't think wireless is there yet.
Also I don't want to have to use bluetooth headsets all the time.
Batteries die at least with my old 3.5 headphones not a problem. Yes I
get that they put an adapter in the box but I can't exactly charge and
listen with my headset at the same time.

On 9/8/16, Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...> wrote:
Hi Pat, I've very well agree with you. This is why when right tried to
share
a link that I make sure that I include the text as well.
Joseph Hudson
group owner for iPad help for the blind
IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io
<mailto:IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io>
Email
jhud7789@... <mailto:jhud7789@...>
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
<https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404>
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@... <mailto:jhud7789@...>
On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Pat Seed <patatips@...> wrote:

Hi, I know that I am not a moderator. However, that comment was Uncalled
for.
Actually, it is helpful to have the information with the link. There
have
been new people coming to this group lately. We have no idea how much
they
know, or if anyone out there is a beginner, whether they have access to
internet training, ETC. So, thank you for placing the information with
the
link. It is Very Much Appreciated.
Blessings and All the Very Best, Pat


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed
the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

Here you go lazy ass!  LOL  LOL

From: Christopher Hallsworth <mailto:challsworth2@...>

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/
<http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/>

Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in
iPhone
7

By Cody Lee, Sep 7, 2016

iPhone 7 lighrtning connectorwh

On Wednesday, Apple confirmed that the rumors are true: there is no
headphone jack in the iPhone 7. Apple is including a new pair of EarPods
in the box with the handset, as well as an adapter for connecting the
headphones to the legacy 3.5mm port, and it also announced new wireless
earbuds called AirPods.

Apple SVP Phil Schiller explains the move: “The reason to move on:
courage. The courage to move on and do something new that betters all of
us.” Schiller says removing headphone jack will free up space, which is
growing ever-limited with new components, and Apple’s ultimate vision
for
mobile audio is “wireless.”
iPhone 7 adaptor in box

“Up till now no one has taken on the challenge of fixing the things that
are difficult to do on those wireless experiences and make them so we
all
want to do them. Our team at Apple has worked so hard to create
something
new that delivers on the opportunity to create the wireless experience.”

So there you have it. For all of you folks out there wondering how Apple
would justify removing the headphone jack from the iPhone 7: they say
it’s
because the port was a poor use of space and ultimately they see all
headphones becoming wireless. Coincidentally, they also announced
multiple
new pairs of Bluetooth headphones today.

We’d love to hear your thoughts on the move, sound off below!
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed
the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

You should paste the article or every time you send a link Chris, you
should
paste the article below. I'm to lazy to click the link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link by now based on the length
of
this email.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>] On Behalf Of
Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/
<http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/>





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Re: Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7 #article

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

I think you should think about the capability of these headphones before you say that. Why don't you go to Best Buy and look at the age of 800 from Best Buy whenever it first came out it was dollar 100. And it offers the same capability, as hey new apple ear pods.
Joseph Hudson
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On Sep 8, 2016, at 3:23 AM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

Yeah, and $159 for wireless headphones is ridiculous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenron" <lenron93@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


lol I know right it's lovely. Such away to try to drain pockets. With
only a 5 hour battery um those things suck.

On 9/8/16, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
LOL and isn't it so nice of Apple that they just happened to release
wireless AirPods along with their new iPhone after removing the headphone
jack.  And even better, you get to pay $159 for the privilege of owning
them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenron" <lenron93@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


I hate this stupid idea. I just don't think wireless is there yet.
Also I don't want to have to use bluetooth headsets all the time.
Batteries die at least with my old 3.5 headphones not a problem. Yes I
get that they put an adapter in the box but I can't exactly charge and
listen with my headset at the same time.

On 9/8/16, Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...> wrote:
Hi Pat, I've very well agree with you. This is why when right tried to
share
a link that I make sure that I include the text as well.
Joseph Hudson
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On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Pat Seed <patatips@...> wrote:

Hi, I know that I am not a moderator. However, that comment was Uncalled
for.
Actually, it is helpful to have the information with the link. There
have
been new people coming to this group lately. We have no idea how much
they
know, or if anyone out there is a beginner, whether they have access to
internet training, ETC. So, thank you for placing the information with
the
link. It is Very Much Appreciated.
Blessings and All the Very Best, Pat


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed
the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

Here you go lazy ass!  LOL  LOL

From: Christopher Hallsworth <mailto:challsworth2@...>

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/
<http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/>

Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in
iPhone
7

By Cody Lee, Sep 7, 2016

iPhone 7 lighrtning connectorwh

On Wednesday, Apple confirmed that the rumors are true: there is no
headphone jack in the iPhone 7. Apple is including a new pair of EarPods
in the box with the handset, as well as an adapter for connecting the
headphones to the legacy 3.5mm port, and it also announced new wireless
earbuds called AirPods.

Apple SVP Phil Schiller explains the move: “The reason to move on:
courage. The courage to move on and do something new that betters all of
us.” Schiller says removing headphone jack will free up space, which is
growing ever-limited with new components, and Apple’s ultimate vision
for
mobile audio is “wireless.”
iPhone 7 adaptor in box

“Up till now no one has taken on the challenge of fixing the things that
are difficult to do on those wireless experiences and make them so we
all
want to do them. Our team at Apple has worked so hard to create
something
new that delivers on the opportunity to create the wireless experience.”

So there you have it. For all of you folks out there wondering how Apple
would justify removing the headphone jack from the iPhone 7: they say
it’s
because the port was a poor use of space and ultimately they see all
headphones becoming wireless. Coincidentally, they also announced
multiple
new pairs of Bluetooth headphones today.

We’d love to hear your thoughts on the move, sound off below!
Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed
the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

You should paste the article or every time you send a link Chris, you
should
paste the article below. I'm to lazy to click the link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link by now based on the length
of
this email.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>

-----Original Message-----
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<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>] On Behalf Of
Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/
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That Strange F1233 Program

Max G. Swanson <swando99@...>
 

For those who may not know, F123 is the latest in a series of browser
extensions that try to make Firefox and now Chrome more accessible. From
their site, <F123.org> I went to a tutorial on their preferences page.

Having the latest update, 4.1.1, I hit Enter on Preferences and just get a
blank screen. These guys prefer to funnel problems to a list of their
own, and I'd like to see if anyone here knows what's going on before
joining another list.

If the program is active you get to the menu with Alt-3, but preferences
there are none! Any ideas out there? (Tried with Window-Eyes and NVDA.)
--
"If not being something is the same as being, then I will live forever!
[Rae Armantrout]. Pax, Max!


Re: Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7 #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

I have wondered about JAWS being a problem source too.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

I think it's a jaws thing more than outlook honestly.

I rocked window eyes and NVDA in outlook, no drama there.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

Honestly, if Outlook causes that many problems, I would just
use something else.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7


That message freeze drives me bonkers.
With my singular experience that I'm reporting that you
had an issue
with, my work around is the same as yours where I copy and
paste.
My set up is the same as yours, except I'm using 2016 and
not 2013.
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7

My singular personal experience is with Windows 10, Office
2013 (Outlook 2013), Internet Explorer and JAWS. For the
first few
months that I had this computer, it was just wonderful to
be able to
click right onto any link sent; not so now. I have no idea
what caused
the
change.

Also, recently, I have started having a problem with a
message freeze,
but immediately I got a solution - copy message, get out
of message,
start again, paste, and continue.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 11:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7

I don't know what program is being used but her message
said that
initially, links were more friendly. Assuming that the
same program
is being used now, it certainly may be some problem with
her computer.
But we need more information to discuss the matter further
and perhaps
reach a conclusion.

Also, you are discussing your experience as one user. It
is not
proper to generalize from one users experience to the
performance of a
program in general. Your experience indicates that a more
general
problem
may exist.
it is not a definite indication that a general problem
exists.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7


No, it's not just her computer. If memory serves, I think
she uses
outlook 2013, and clicking links is a hassle.



At times, you have to select the link, paste it into the
address bar,
because pressing enter or spacebar on the link will not
simply launch it.

In other email programs I've used, none of that needed to
be done, so
I doubt it's a computer issue.

It's happened to me as well which is why I stated what I
did at the start.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7



But that is some sort of problem specific to your
computer.
Links were not more friendly. Something changed in your
computer. It
may not matter to you enough to experiment but you might
well be able
to work around whatever the problem is by using another
browser. It's
unfortunate that so many blind computer users appear so
resistant to
trying other browsers than Internet Explorer. If people
would just
try another browser, Firefox is more similar to Internet
Explorer than
Chrome, they might be surprised how little they have to
learn in the
transition.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:03 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7



When I first got my computer last year, links were more
friendly, and
I clicked on any of them that came through, but now, I
have to wrestle
with them a lot of the time, and still can't get to the
intended
subject
sent.
It
could be that if I put forth more effort - but then, there
is more out
there than struggling for a length that is not going to be
a life
saver or a money maker for me or anyone I know.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7

Chris, it is not that hard to email yourself the link and
then show
the reader on the Mac and hit command shift I. I just did
this with
your current link, And was able to show the reader and
copy the text.
One thing you have to realize, is that some people are not
a fan of
clicking links. And if you were one of those people, six
strapped to
the group below. I will be sharing stuff like this and I
am also still
apart of Matt daily news which Chris used to share
articles from all
the time. So have fun and enjoy.

Joseph Hudson
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On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Christopher Hallsworth
<challsworth2@... <mailto:challsworth2@...>
<mailto:challsworth2@...> >
wrote:

Sorry, I got these from the IDB app for iOS. When sharing,
only the
link is sent with the email. I realize some of you may not
be happy
about this, so will try and research alternatives. I used
to be on Mac
Daily News, but unsubscribed after getting the IDB app.
Thanks for
your suggestion.


On 7 Sep 2016, at 20:55, Kimsan
<kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...> >
wrote:

You should paste the article or every time you send a link
Chris, you
should paste the article below. I'm to lazy to click the
link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link by now based
on the length
of this email.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and
vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jac
k-iphone-7/


























Re: Download Links & What's New In Public Beta Jaws 18

Edmond <gocloud84@...>
 

Oh man! I checked on morning PST and there was nothing... Thanks so much. Hope FS do a good job this time.

On 9/8/2016 10:56 AM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi All,

Below you'll find the direct download links & what's new for Beta Jaws 18.

FS Public Beta Website:

https://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/Jaws/JawsPublicBeta#Features

32 Bit:

https://jaws18.objects.cdn.dream.io/J18.0.1605.400-enu-x86.exe

64 Bit:

https://jaws18.objects.cdn.dream.io/J18.0.1605.400-enu-x64.exe

New Features Added in JAWS 18

The following features are new to JAWS 18. For more information and
complete demonstrations, go to the FSCast web page and listen to episode
131.

Migrate Settings from Prior Versions of JAWS

We have reintroduced the ability for users to merge all user customized
settings from the prior version of JAWS into the latest version. This
includes any application and default settings, scripts, dictionary
entries, graphics labels, PlaceMarkers, flexible web rules, personalized
web settings including custom labels, speech and sounds schemes, and
voice profiles. When JAWS 18 first starts after an install and it
detects that there are custom user settings for JAWS 17 available, you
will be asked if you want to migrate these settings to the current
version of JAWS. Choose Yes to migrate your settings from JAWS 17, or
choose No to start with the default settings in JAWS 18 and launch the
Startup Wizard.

Once the settings have been migrated, a dialog box opens where you can
configure the JAWS startup options. This dialog box contains the same
options found in the Start JAWS Options dialog box, which is accessed
from the JAWS window by opening the Options menu, Selecting Options, and
then choosing the Automatically Start JAWS button. Once you have
confirmed how you want JAWS to start, choose OK to save and close the
dialog box.


Note: Due to significant changes to the settings file structure prior to
JAWS 17, custom user settings can not be migrated from versions of JAWS
older than version 17.

Completely New Import and Export for JAWS Customized User Settings

JAWS 18 now enables you to quickly and conveniently export all of your
JAWS user settings including application and default settings, custom
scripts, dictionary entries, graphics labels, PlaceMarkers, flexible web
rules, personalized web settings including custom labels, speech and
sounds schemes, and voice profiles to a single backup file which can be
stored or shared with other JAWS users. The JAWS settings backup files
are saved with an SBAK extension. This backup file can then be easily
imported on any computer running JAWS 18 or later and these settings
will be used by that copy of JAWS.

To export settings to an SBAK file, open the Utilities menu located in
the JAWS application window, open the Import/Export menu, and select
Export Settings. The Export Settings wizard opens and guides you through
exporting your settings. During this process, you can choose to export
all user settings, or select specific settings to export. By default,
the SBAK file is saved to the Desktop using the name JAWS<Version
Number>SettingsBackup (where Version Number is the JAWS version
currently running when using the export feature). You can specify a
different location and file name if necessary, as well as add optional
comments to provide more information about why you are creating the
backup. Once the export is complete, the SBAK file containing your
settings can be shared with other JAWS users through email or a file
sharing service such as Dropbox, or stored on a USB flash drive.

To import JAWS settings from an SBAK file, open the Utilities menu
located in the JAWS application window, open the Import/Export menu, and
select Import Settings. The Import User Settings wizard opens and guides
you through importing the settings. By default, the import will merge
the settings from the backup file with existing user settings and if a
setting in the user folder conflicts with a setting from the backup
file, it will be replaced by the setting from the backup. However, you
can also choose to simply replace all current settings in the user
folder with the contents of the backup or, when merging and there is a
settings conflict, you can choose to keep the current setting.

During the settings import, the current settings in your user folder are
automatically backed up. If you find that the settings that were
imported from the SBAK file are not working as expected, you can restore
the previous settings. To restore, open the Utilities menu located in
the JAWS application window, open the Import/Export menu, and select
Restore Settings. The Restore Settings dialog box opens where you can
select the backup file to restore. Choose the Restore button to replace
the current settings in your JAWS user folder with the settings from the
backup.

Some instances of when you might use this feature include:
•You want to use the same JAWS settings on multiple computers, such as
in a training center or school computer lab.
•You create a lot of customizations and you want to be able to back them
up so you can easily import them when you install a new version of JAWS,
elliminating the task of having to manually reconfigure everything.
•A friend would like to use some of your flexible web rules and voice
profiles. You could use the Export Settings wizard to only export these
particular settings, send the resulting SBAK file to your friend, and if
they are running JAWS 18 or later, they can import the file containing
your flexible web rules and voice profiles into their copy of JAWS.
•A script developer could send you a SBAK file containing custom scripts
and settings for an application that is used at your job and the Import
Settings wizard will quickly import all settings and script files to the
correct locations in your JAWS user folder.

Restrict Virtual Cursor in Web-Based dialog boxes

If a dialog box appears on a web page as a result of an action such as
activating a specific control, which can occur especially on pages that
are part of a web-based application, JAWS now restricts Virtual Cursor
navigation to the dialog box. Sometimes, depending on how the web
application is implemented, when focus moves into these dialog boxes,
the content of the surrounding page is hidden until focus moves out of
the dialog box. However, in many instances, the dialog content merges
with the surrounding page which can be confusing especially when you
only want to focus on the content in the web dialog box.

JAWS automatically restricts Virtual Cursor navigation to the dialog box
when some action occurs that moves the focus into that dialog box. This
includes navigating to an edit field in the dialog box with the ARROW
keys and Auto Forms mode is enabled, navigating using the TAB or
SHIFT+TAB keys, or activating a control on the page that automatically
sets focus to the dialog box. When the Virtual Cursor is restricted,
both speech and braille will only navigate content in the dialog box
until restriction is disabled. The Virtual Cursor will be automatically
unrestricted if you use the TAB or SHIFT+TAB keys to move focus away
from the dialog box, or you perform an action in the dialog box that
causes focus to be moved to another part of the page, or a completely
new page loads.

You can also use the INSERT+R keystroke when focused in a web dialog box
to manually toggle the Virtual Cursor between restricted and
unrestricted. For instance, you may wish to unrestrict the Virtual
Cursor to review page content outside of the dialog box without moving
focus.


Note: In some web applications, surrounding page content is hidden when
a dialog box is in focus, so unrestricting the Virtual Cursor to view
content outside the dialog box will not always work in these situations.

New Speech Option as You Move the Physical Mouse Around the Screen

The new mouse echo feature enables JAWS to speak text under the mouse
pointer as you move around the screen using a physical mouse or as you
move your finger on a trackpad. If you use a refreshable braille
display, text under the mouse is also shown in braille as a flash message.

While totally blind users may not benefit very much from this feature,
there are some cases where it can be useful. For example, there may be
times where someone is trying to understand the positioning of text or
the layout of controls on the screen, and this could be helpful. You
also may encounter applications that have controls that can not be
accessed with any of the JAWS cursors and you must use the physical
mouse to locate and activate them.

For users that have some vision, the ability to also receive speech
feedback as they move the physical mouse is very useful. There are also
more improvements coming for those who use both MAGic and JAWS together.

If you find that you struggle to keep the mouse in a straight line when
moving vertically or horrizontally, press and hold the INSERT key (or
CAPSLOCK key in Laptop layout) as you move the mouse in a specific
direction to lock the mouse pointer to that position. For example, if
you locate a menu bar or group of buttons you would like to explore, you
could press and hold INSERT as you move the mouse to the right. If you
accidentally move slightly up or down, the mouse pointer remains locked
to the current position.

Mouse echo is off by default. To turn it on, open Settings Center, press
CTRL+SHIFT+D to load the default settings file, expand the mouse echo
group, and then press the SPACEBAR on Enable Mouse Echo. You can also
configure the following:
•Choose whether or not JAWS interrupts speech as you move the mouse
pointer over text. By default, JAWS speaks the new text moved to with
the mouse regardless of what is currently being spoken.
•Specify the length of time JAWS waits before speaking the text at the
location of the mouse pointer. If you move the mouse pointer away before
the delay has elapsed, JAWS does not read the text. By default there is
no delay which means text is read while the mouse is in motion so you do
not have to pause to hear the text under the mouse.
•Select the unit of text (character, word, line, or paragraph) you want
to hear when the mouse pointer pauses over text in a control. By
default, JAWS reads the current line of text under the mouse. This means
that if you move the mouse pointer into the document area of an
application such as Microsoft Word, JAWS will read the line of text
under the mouse. As you continue moving the mouse around the edit
control, JAWS will read other lines from the document. If the control
cannot provide the requested unit of text, then JAWS will read all of
the text provided by the control. For example, if you move the mouse
into the edit control of the Windows 10 Sticky Notes app, JAWS will read
the entire contents of the edit field instead of the specified unit of text.
•Choose whether or not JAWS speaks descriptive information provided by
the control that contains the text at the mouse pointer. This
information will be spoken after the text at the mouse pointer is
spoken. Note that descriptive text is not always available. The default
is to not speak this information.
•Choose whether or not JAWS speaks the control type and state of the
control containing the text at the mouse pointer. This information will
be spoken after the text at the mouse pointer is spoken. The default is
to speak control information.

Alternatively, the following layered keystrokes are available to control
mouse echo:
•INSERT+SPACEBAR, E, O. Toggles mouse echo on or off.
•INSERT+SPACEBAR, E, C. Sets mouse echo to speak the character under the
mouse pointer in controls that support navigating by units of text.
•INSERT+SPACEBAR, E, W. Sets mouse echo to speak the word under the
mouse pointer in controls that support navigating by units of text.
•INSERT+SPACEBAR, E, L. Sets mouse echo to speak the line under the
mouse pointer in controls that support navigating by units of text.
•INSERT+SPACEBAR, E, P. Sets mouse echo to speak the paragraph under the
mouse pointer in controls that support navigating by units of text.
•INSERT+SPACEBAR, E, QUESTION MARK. Speaks a brief help message
describing the commands in the mouse echo layer.


Note: When JAWS 18 and MAGic 13.1 are run together, the current mouse
echo settings for MAGic will be ignored in favor of JAWS Mouse Echo
speech settings. When exiting JAWS so only MAGic is running, the
original mouse echo settings configured in MAGic will be used. In
addition, if MAGic's Mouse Line Lock feature is enabled, the mouse line
lock functionality in JAWS is disabled.

Improvements with JAWS Touch Support

JAWS 18 offers improved performance when using a touch screen device,
such as the Surface Pro tablet from Microsoft, as well as tablets with
smaller screens. You will experience greater accuracy and responsiveness
as you perform various touch gestures including continuously moving a
finger around the screen to explore. You can also now perform Windows
gestures without the need to first exit JAWS. The new four-finger rotate
gesture causes the next gesture to be passed directly to Windows;
similar to the Pass Key Through command (INSERT+3). Performing a
five-finger rotate gesture will now disable all JAWS gestures, except
the four and five-finger rotate gestures, so you can use Windows
gestures until you perform another five-finger rotate to reenable the
JAWS gestures.

While this JAWS 18 public beta offers significant improvements to touch,
there are still some instances where using touch is still difficult,
such as typing your password on the Windows Login screen and using the
ALT+TAB list to move between apps. These items, along with other issues
we have identified, will be addressed in the next public beta.

Refer to the Overview of JAWS Touch Support document for more
information and to review all the available JAWS gestures.

Launch JAWS on Tablets Using Hardware Buttons

You can configure the Windows and Volume Up buttons on a tablet to start
JAWS instead of Narrator when these buttons are pressed simultaneously.
This is done through the Ease of Access Center in Windows by doing the
following:
1.Open the Start menu, type "ease of access", and then press ENTER to
open the Ease of Access Center.
2.Navigate to the "Make Touch and Tablets Easier to Use" link and press
ENTER.
3.In the Accessibility Tools combo box, select JAWS 18.
4.Choose OK, and then close the Ease of Access Center.

The next time you are in a situation where JAWS is not running, you can
press the Windows and Volume Up buttons together to quickly launch it
from anywhere in Windows. If you are on the Secure Destktop or Windows
Login screen, these hardware buttons will always launch Narrator.
However, once you are logged in, these buttons will now start JAWS 18.

Changes to Sentence Navigation Keystrokes in the Desktop Keyboard Layout

In the JAWS Desktop Keyboard Layout, pressing ALT+DOWN ARROW or ALT+UP
ARROW moves to the next or prior sentence, or opens and closes combo
boxes. In addition, some applications also use these keystrokes to
perform their own specific functions which means JAWS users need to
first press INSERT+3 to pass these keystrokes through to the application
so they work correctly. For instance, ALT+DOWN ARROW and ALT+UP ARROW
are used in the attachments area in Microsoft Outlook 2016 to open and
close the list of actions you can perform with the selected attachment.

To avoid potential conflicts, ALT+DOWN ARROW and ALT+UP ARROW in the
desktop keyboard layout will now only move by sentence in Microsoft
Word, WordPerfect, the message area in Microsoft Outlook, and when using
the Virtual Cursor unless focused on a combo box. If you want sentence
navigation to work in other applications, you can use the Keyboard
Manager to reassign the Say Next Sentence and Say Prior Sentence
commands, or switch to the laptop keyboard layout and use CAPS LOCK+N
and CAPS LOCK+Y to move by sentence.

To assign new keystrokes for sentence navigation, do the following:
1.Press INSERT+F2 and select Keyboard Manager.
2.Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to load the default key map file.
3.Press TAB to move to the list view and locate the "SayNextSentence"
script.
4.Press CTRL+A to open the Add Keystroke dialog box, press the key
combination you want to use, and press ENTER. Press ENTER once more to
confirm the change and return to the list view.
5.Locate the "SayPriorSentence" script.
6.Press CTRL+A to open the Add Keystroke dialog box, press the key
combination you want to use, and press ENTER. Press ENTER once more to
confirm the change and return to the list view, and then press ALT+F4 to
close the Keyboard Manager.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!


Re: Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7 #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

Carlos, what is your recommendation as an alternative to
Outlook, an alternative that will stay around? Also, what
does one do to get another email client? Is there some way
to download it and it over ride the present one? Would the
contacts be picked up by the new one? I paid to have my
contacts imported, but had to edit them for Outlook. About
half way through, the last half just disappeared. Thankfully
enough, I had a copy of my contact addresses in a word file,
so had to do about 50 or so of them from scratch.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

Honestly, if Outlook causes that many problems, I would just
use something else.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7


That message freeze drives me bonkers.
With my singular experience that I'm reporting that you
had an issue
with, my work around is the same as yours where I copy and
paste.
My set up is the same as yours, except I'm using 2016 and
not 2013.
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7

My singular personal experience is with Windows 10, Office
2013 (Outlook 2013), Internet Explorer and JAWS. For the
first few
months that I had this computer, it was just wonderful to
be able to
click right onto any link sent; not so now. I have no idea
what caused the change.

Also, recently, I have started having a problem with a
message freeze,
but immediately I got a solution - copy message, get out
of message,
start again, paste, and continue.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 11:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7

I don't know what program is being used but her message
said that
initially, links were more friendly. Assuming that the
same program
is being used now, it certainly may be some problem with
her computer.
But we need more information to discuss the matter further
and perhaps
reach a conclusion.

Also, you are discussing your experience as one user. It
is not
proper to generalize from one users experience to the
performance of a
program in general. Your experience indicates that a more
general problem may exist.
it is not a definite indication that a general problem
exists.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7


No, it's not just her computer. If memory serves, I think
she uses
outlook 2013, and clicking links is a hassle.



At times, you have to select the link, paste it into the
address bar,
because pressing enter or spacebar on the link will not
simply launch it.

In other email programs I've used, none of that needed to
be done, so
I doubt it's a computer issue.

It's happened to me as well which is why I stated what I
did at the start.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7



But that is some sort of problem specific to your
computer.
Links were not more friendly. Something changed in your
computer. It
may not matter to you enough to experiment but you might
well be able
to work around whatever the problem is by using another
browser. It's
unfortunate that so many blind computer users appear so
resistant to
trying other browsers than Internet Explorer. If people
would just
try another browser, Firefox is more similar to Internet
Explorer than
Chrome, they might be surprised how little they have to
learn in the
transition.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:03 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7



When I first got my computer last year, links were more
friendly, and
I clicked on any of them that came through, but now, I
have to wrestle
with them a lot of the time, and still can't get to the
intended subject sent.
It
could be that if I put forth more effort - but then, there
is more out
there than struggling for a length that is not going to be
a life
saver or a money maker for me or anyone I know.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7

Chris, it is not that hard to email yourself the link and
then show
the reader on the Mac and hit command shift I. I just did
this with
your current link, And was able to show the reader and
copy the text.
One thing you have to realize, is that some people are not
a fan of
clicking links. And if you were one of those people, six
strapped to
the group below. I will be sharing stuff like this and I
am also still
apart of Matt daily news which Chris used to share
articles from all
the time. So have fun and enjoy.

Joseph Hudson
group owner for iPad help for the blind

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On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Christopher Hallsworth
<challsworth2@... <mailto:challsworth2@...>
<mailto:challsworth2@...> >
wrote:

Sorry, I got these from the IDB app for iOS. When sharing,
only the
link is sent with the email. I realize some of you may not
be happy
about this, so will try and research alternatives. I used
to be on Mac
Daily News, but unsubscribed after getting the IDB app.
Thanks for
your suggestion.


On 7 Sep 2016, at 20:55, Kimsan
<kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...> >
wrote:

You should paste the article or every time you send a link
Chris, you
should paste the article below. I'm to lazy to click the
link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link by now based
on the length
of this email.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and
vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jac
k-iphone-7/


























Download Links & What's New In Public Beta Jaws 18

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi All,
 
Below you'll find the direct download links & what's new for Beta Jaws 18.
 
FS Public Beta Website:
 
 
32 Bit:
 
 
64 Bit:
 
 
New Features Added in JAWS 18
 
The following features are new to JAWS 18. For more information and complete demonstrations, go to the FSCast web page and listen to episode 131.
 
Migrate Settings from Prior Versions of JAWS
 
We have reintroduced the ability for users to merge all user customized settings from the prior version of JAWS into the latest version. This includes any application and default settings, scripts, dictionary entries, graphics labels, PlaceMarkers, flexible web rules, personalized web settings including custom labels, speech and sounds schemes, and voice profiles. When JAWS 18 first starts after an install and it detects that there are custom user settings for JAWS 17 available, you will be asked if you want to migrate these settings to the current version of JAWS. Choose Yes to migrate your settings from JAWS 17, or choose No to start with the default settings in JAWS 18 and launch the Startup Wizard.
 
Once the settings have been migrated, a dialog box opens where you can configure the JAWS startup options. This dialog box contains the same options found in the Start JAWS Options dialog box, which is accessed from the JAWS window by opening the Options menu, Selecting Options, and then choosing the Automatically Start JAWS button. Once you have confirmed how you want JAWS to start, choose OK to save and close the dialog box.
 

Note: Due to significant changes to the settings file structure prior to JAWS 17, custom user settings can not be migrated from versions of JAWS older than version 17.
 
Completely New Import and Export for JAWS Customized User Settings
 
JAWS 18 now enables you to quickly and conveniently export all of your JAWS user settings including application and default settings, custom scripts, dictionary entries, graphics labels, PlaceMarkers, flexible web rules, personalized web settings including custom labels, speech and sounds schemes, and voice profiles to a single backup file which can be stored or shared with other JAWS users. The JAWS settings backup files are saved with an SBAK extension. This backup file can then be easily imported on any computer running JAWS 18 or later and these settings will be used by that copy of JAWS.
 
To export settings to an SBAK file, open the Utilities menu located in the JAWS application window, open the Import/Export menu, and select Export Settings. The Export Settings wizard opens and guides you through exporting your settings. During this process, you can choose to export all user settings, or select specific settings to export. By default, the SBAK file is saved to the Desktop using the name JAWS<Version Number>SettingsBackup (where Version Number is the JAWS version currently running when using the export feature). You can specify a different location and file name if necessary, as well as add optional comments to provide more information about why you are creating the backup. Once the export is complete, the SBAK file containing your settings can be shared with other JAWS users through email or a file sharing service such as Dropbox, or stored on a USB flash drive.
 
To import JAWS settings from an SBAK file, open the Utilities menu located in the JAWS application window, open the Import/Export menu, and select Import Settings. The Import User Settings wizard opens and guides you through importing the settings. By default, the import will merge the settings from the backup file with existing user settings and if a setting in the user folder conflicts with a setting from the backup file, it will be replaced by the setting from the backup. However, you can also choose to simply replace all current settings in the user folder with the contents of the backup or, when merging and there is a settings conflict, you can choose to keep the current setting.
 
During the settings import, the current settings in your user folder are automatically backed up. If you find that the settings that were imported from the SBAK file are not working as expected, you can restore the previous settings. To restore, open the Utilities menu located in the JAWS application window, open the Import/Export menu, and select Restore Settings. The Restore Settings dialog box opens where you can select the backup file to restore. Choose the Restore button to replace the current settings in your JAWS user folder with the settings from the backup.
 
Some instances of when you might use this feature include:
•You want to use the same JAWS settings on multiple computers, such as in a training center or school computer lab.
•You create a lot of customizations and you want to be able to back them up so you can easily import them when you install a new version of JAWS, elliminating the task of having to manually reconfigure everything.
•A friend would like to use some of your flexible web rules and voice profiles. You could use the Export Settings wizard to only export these particular settings, send the resulting SBAK file to your friend, and if they are running JAWS 18 or later, they can import the file containing your flexible web rules and voice profiles into their copy of JAWS.
•A script developer could send you a SBAK file containing custom scripts and settings for an application that is used at your job and the Import Settings wizard will quickly import all settings and script files to the correct locations in your JAWS user folder.
 
Restrict Virtual Cursor in Web-Based dialog boxes
 
If a dialog box appears on a web page as a result of an action such as activating a specific control, which can occur especially on pages that are part of a web-based application, JAWS now restricts Virtual Cursor navigation to the dialog box. Sometimes, depending on how the web application is implemented, when focus moves into these dialog boxes, the content of the surrounding page is hidden until focus moves out of the dialog box. However, in many instances, the dialog content merges with the surrounding page which can be confusing especially when you only want to focus on the content in the web dialog box.
 
JAWS automatically restricts Virtual Cursor navigation to the dialog box when some action occurs that moves the focus into that dialog box. This includes navigating to an edit field in the dialog box with the ARROW keys and Auto Forms mode is enabled, navigating using the TAB or SHIFT+TAB keys, or activating a control on the page that automatically sets focus to the dialog box. When the Virtual Cursor is restricted, both speech and braille will only navigate content in the dialog box until restriction is disabled. The Virtual Cursor will be automatically unrestricted if you use the TAB or SHIFT+TAB keys to move focus away from the dialog box, or you perform an action in the dialog box that causes focus to be moved to another part of the page, or a completely new page loads.
 
You can also use the INSERT+R keystroke when focused in a web dialog box to manually toggle the Virtual Cursor between restricted and unrestricted. For instance, you may wish to unrestrict the Virtual Cursor to review page content outside of the dialog box without moving focus.
 

Note: In some web applications, surrounding page content is hidden when a dialog box is in focus, so unrestricting the Virtual Cursor to view content outside the dialog box will not always work in these situations.
 
New Speech Option as You Move the Physical Mouse Around the Screen
 
The new mouse echo feature enables JAWS to speak text under the mouse pointer as you move around the screen using a physical mouse or as you move your finger on a trackpad. If you use a refreshable braille display, text under the mouse is also shown in braille as a flash message.
 
While totally blind users may not benefit very much from this feature, there are some cases where it can be useful. For example, there may be times where someone is trying to understand the positioning of text or the layout of controls on the screen, and this could be helpful. You also may encounter applications that have controls that can not be accessed with any of the JAWS cursors and you must use the physical mouse to locate and activate them.
 
For users that have some vision, the ability to also receive speech feedback as they move the physical mouse is very useful. There are also more improvements coming for those who use both MAGic and JAWS together.
 
If you find that you struggle to keep the mouse in a straight line when moving vertically or horrizontally, press and hold the INSERT key (or CAPSLOCK key in Laptop layout) as you move the mouse in a specific direction to lock the mouse pointer to that position. For example, if you locate a menu bar or group of buttons you would like to explore, you could press and hold INSERT as you move the mouse to the right. If you accidentally move slightly up or down, the mouse pointer remains locked to the current position.
 
Mouse echo is off by default. To turn it on, open Settings Center, press CTRL+SHIFT+D to load the default settings file, expand the mouse echo group, and then press the SPACEBAR on Enable Mouse Echo. You can also configure the following:
•Choose whether or not JAWS interrupts speech as you move the mouse pointer over text. By default, JAWS speaks the new text moved to with the mouse regardless of what is currently being spoken.
•Specify the length of time JAWS waits before speaking the text at the location of the mouse pointer. If you move the mouse pointer away before the delay has elapsed, JAWS does not read the text. By default there is no delay which means text is read while the mouse is in motion so you do not have to pause to hear the text under the mouse.
•Select the unit of text (character, word, line, or paragraph) you want to hear when the mouse pointer pauses over text in a control. By default, JAWS reads the current line of text under the mouse. This means that if you move the mouse pointer into the document area of an application such as Microsoft Word, JAWS will read the line of text under the mouse. As you continue moving the mouse around the edit control, JAWS will read other lines from the document. If the control cannot provide the requested unit of text, then JAWS will read all of the text provided by the control. For example, if you move the mouse into the edit control of the Windows 10 Sticky Notes app, JAWS will read the entire contents of the edit field instead of the specified unit of text.
•Choose whether or not JAWS speaks descriptive information provided by the control that contains the text at the mouse pointer. This information will be spoken after the text at the mouse pointer is spoken. Note that descriptive text is not always available. The default is to not speak this information.
•Choose whether or not JAWS speaks the control type and state of the control containing the text at the mouse pointer. This information will be spoken after the text at the mouse pointer is spoken. The default is to speak control information.
 
Alternatively, the following layered keystrokes are available to control mouse echo:
•INSERT+SPACEBAR, E, O. Toggles mouse echo on or off.
•INSERT+SPACEBAR, E, C. Sets mouse echo to speak the character under the mouse pointer in controls that support navigating by units of text.
•INSERT+SPACEBAR, E, W. Sets mouse echo to speak the word under the mouse pointer in controls that support navigating by units of text.
•INSERT+SPACEBAR, E, L. Sets mouse echo to speak the line under the mouse pointer in controls that support navigating by units of text.
•INSERT+SPACEBAR, E, P. Sets mouse echo to speak the paragraph under the mouse pointer in controls that support navigating by units of text.
•INSERT+SPACEBAR, E, QUESTION MARK. Speaks a brief help message describing the commands in the mouse echo layer.
 

Note: When JAWS 18 and MAGic 13.1 are run together, the current mouse echo settings for MAGic will be ignored in favor of JAWS Mouse Echo speech settings. When exiting JAWS so only MAGic is running, the original mouse echo settings configured in MAGic will be used. In addition, if MAGic's Mouse Line Lock feature is enabled, the mouse line lock functionality in JAWS is disabled.
 
Improvements with JAWS Touch Support
 
JAWS 18 offers improved performance when using a touch screen device, such as the Surface Pro tablet from Microsoft, as well as tablets with smaller screens. You will experience greater accuracy and responsiveness as you perform various touch gestures including continuously moving a finger around the screen to explore. You can also now perform Windows gestures without the need to first exit JAWS. The new four-finger rotate gesture causes the next gesture to be passed directly to Windows; similar to the Pass Key Through command (INSERT+3). Performing a five-finger rotate gesture will now disable all JAWS gestures, except the four and five-finger rotate gestures, so you can use Windows gestures until you perform another five-finger rotate to reenable the JAWS gestures.
 
While this JAWS 18 public beta offers significant improvements to touch, there are still some instances where using touch is still difficult, such as typing your password on the Windows Login screen and using the ALT+TAB list to move between apps. These items, along with other issues we have identified, will be addressed in the next public beta.
 
Refer to the Overview of JAWS Touch Support document for more information and to review all the available JAWS gestures.
 
Launch JAWS on Tablets Using Hardware Buttons
 
You can configure the Windows and Volume Up buttons on a tablet to start JAWS instead of Narrator when these buttons are pressed simultaneously. This is done through the Ease of Access Center in Windows by doing the following:
1.Open the Start menu, type "ease of access", and then press ENTER to open the Ease of Access Center.
2.Navigate to the "Make Touch and Tablets Easier to Use" link and press ENTER.
3.In the Accessibility Tools combo box, select JAWS 18.
4.Choose OK, and then close the Ease of Access Center.
 
The next time you are in a situation where JAWS is not running, you can press the Windows and Volume Up buttons together to quickly launch it from anywhere in Windows. If you are on the Secure Destktop or Windows Login screen, these hardware buttons will always launch Narrator. However, once you are logged in, these buttons will now start JAWS 18.
 
Changes to Sentence Navigation Keystrokes in the Desktop Keyboard Layout
 
In the JAWS Desktop Keyboard Layout, pressing ALT+DOWN ARROW or ALT+UP ARROW moves to the next or prior sentence, or opens and closes combo boxes. In addition, some applications also use these keystrokes to perform their own specific functions which means JAWS users need to first press INSERT+3 to pass these keystrokes through to the application so they work correctly. For instance, ALT+DOWN ARROW and ALT+UP ARROW are used in the attachments area in Microsoft Outlook 2016 to open and close the list of actions you can perform with the selected attachment.
 
To avoid potential conflicts, ALT+DOWN ARROW and ALT+UP ARROW in the desktop keyboard layout will now only move by sentence in Microsoft Word, WordPerfect, the message area in Microsoft Outlook, and when using the Virtual Cursor unless focused on a combo box. If you want sentence navigation to work in other applications, you can use the Keyboard Manager to reassign the Say Next Sentence and Say Prior Sentence commands, or switch to the laptop keyboard layout and use CAPS LOCK+N and CAPS LOCK+Y to move by sentence.
 
To assign new keystrokes for sentence navigation, do the following:
1.Press INSERT+F2 and select Keyboard Manager.
2.Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to load the default key map file.
3.Press TAB to move to the list view and locate the "SayNextSentence" script.
4.Press CTRL+A to open the Add Keystroke dialog box, press the key combination you want to use, and press ENTER. Press ENTER once more to confirm the change and return to the list view.
5.Locate the "SayPriorSentence" script.
6.Press CTRL+A to open the Add Keystroke dialog box, press the key combination you want to use, and press ENTER. Press ENTER once more to confirm the change and return to the list view, and then press ALT+F4 to close the Keyboard Manager.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!


Re: Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7 #article

Kimsan
 

I think it's a jaws thing more than outlook honestly.

I rocked window eyes and NVDA in outlook, no drama there.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

Honestly, if Outlook causes that many problems, I would just use something
else.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


That message freeze drives me bonkers.
With my singular experience that I'm reporting that you had an issue
with, my work around is the same as yours where I copy and paste.
My set up is the same as yours, except I'm using 2016 and not 2013.
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7

My singular personal experience is with Windows 10, Office
2013 (Outlook 2013), Internet Explorer and JAWS. For the first few
months that I had this computer, it was just wonderful to be able to
click right onto any link sent; not so now. I have no idea what caused the
change.

Also, recently, I have started having a problem with a message freeze,
but immediately I got a solution - copy message, get out of message,
start again, paste, and continue.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 11:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7

I don't know what program is being used but her message said that
initially, links were more friendly. Assuming that the same program
is being used now, it certainly may be some problem with her computer.
But we need more information to discuss the matter further and perhaps
reach a conclusion.

Also, you are discussing your experience as one user. It is not
proper to generalize from one users experience to the performance of a
program in general. Your experience indicates that a more general problem
may exist.
it is not a definite indication that a general problem exists.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7


No, it's not just her computer. If memory serves, I think she uses
outlook 2013, and clicking links is a hassle.



At times, you have to select the link, paste it into the address bar,
because pressing enter or spacebar on the link will not simply launch it.

In other email programs I've used, none of that needed to be done, so
I doubt it's a computer issue.

It's happened to me as well which is why I stated what I did at the start.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7



But that is some sort of problem specific to your computer.
Links were not more friendly. Something changed in your computer. It
may not matter to you enough to experiment but you might well be able
to work around whatever the problem is by using another browser. It's
unfortunate that so many blind computer users appear so resistant to
trying other browsers than Internet Explorer. If people would just
try another browser, Firefox is more similar to Internet Explorer than
Chrome, they might be surprised how little they have to learn in the
transition.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:03 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7



When I first got my computer last year, links were more friendly, and
I clicked on any of them that came through, but now, I have to wrestle
with them a lot of the time, and still can't get to the intended subject
sent.
It
could be that if I put forth more effort - but then, there is more out
there than struggling for a length that is not going to be a life
saver or a money maker for me or anyone I know.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed
the headphone jack in iPhone 7

Chris, it is not that hard to email yourself the link and then show
the reader on the Mac and hit command shift I. I just did this with
your current link, And was able to show the reader and copy the text.
One thing you have to realize, is that some people are not a fan of
clicking links. And if you were one of those people, six strapped to
the group below. I will be sharing stuff like this and I am also still
apart of Matt daily news which Chris used to share articles from all
the time. So have fun and enjoy.

Joseph Hudson
group owner for iPad help for the blind

* IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io
<mailto:IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io>
<mailto:IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io>
*

Email
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<mailto:jhud7789@...> I device support Telephone
2543007667
Skype
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Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

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jhud7789@... <mailto:jhud7789@...>
<mailto:jhud7789@...>


On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Christopher Hallsworth
<challsworth2@... <mailto:challsworth2@...>
<mailto:challsworth2@...> >
wrote:

Sorry, I got these from the IDB app for iOS. When sharing, only the
link is sent with the email. I realize some of you may not be happy
about this, so will try and research alternatives. I used to be on Mac
Daily News, but unsubscribed after getting the IDB app. Thanks for
your suggestion.


On 7 Sep 2016, at 20:55, Kimsan
<kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...> >
wrote:

You should paste the article or every time you send a link Chris, you
should paste the article below. I'm to lazy to click the link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link by now based on the length
of this email.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and
vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jac
k-iphone-7/


























Re: Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7 #article

Carlos
 

Honestly, if Outlook causes that many problems, I would just use something else.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimsan" <kimsansong@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7


That message freeze drives me bonkers.
With my singular experience that I'm reporting that you had an issue with,
my work around is the same as yours where I copy and paste.
My set up is the same as yours, except I'm using 2016 and not 2013.
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

My singular personal experience is with Windows 10, Office
2013 (Outlook 2013), Internet Explorer and JAWS. For the first few months
that I had this computer, it was just wonderful to be able to click right
onto any link sent; not so now. I have no idea what caused the change.

Also, recently, I have started having a problem with a message freeze, but
immediately I got a solution - copy message, get out of message, start
again, paste, and continue.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 11:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

I don't know what program is being used but her message said that initially,
links were more friendly. Assuming that the same program is being used now,
it certainly may be some problem with her computer. But we need more
information to discuss the matter further and perhaps reach a conclusion.

Also, you are discussing your experience as one user. It is not proper to
generalize from one users experience to the performance of a program in
general. Your experience indicates that a more general problem may exist.
it is not a definite indication that a general problem exists.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


No, it's not just her computer. If memory serves, I think she uses outlook
2013, and clicking links is a hassle.



At times, you have to select the link, paste it into the address bar,
because pressing enter or spacebar on the link will not simply launch it.

In other email programs I've used, none of that needed to be done, so I
doubt it's a computer issue.

It's happened to me as well which is why I stated what I did at the start.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7



But that is some sort of problem specific to your computer.
Links were not more friendly. Something changed in your computer. It may
not matter to you enough to experiment but you might well be able to work
around whatever the problem is by using another browser. It's unfortunate
that so many blind computer users appear so resistant to trying other
browsers than Internet Explorer. If people would just try another browser,
Firefox is more similar to Internet Explorer than Chrome, they might be
surprised how little they have to learn in the transition.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:03 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7



When I first got my computer last year, links were more friendly, and I
clicked on any of them that came through, but now, I have to wrestle with
them a lot of the time, and still can't get to the intended subject sent. It
could be that if I put forth more effort - but then, there is more out there
than struggling for a length that is not going to be a life saver or a money
maker for me or anyone I know.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

Chris, it is not that hard to email yourself the link and then show the
reader on the Mac and hit command shift I. I just did this with your current
link, And was able to show the reader and copy the text. One thing you have
to realize, is that some people are not a fan of clicking links. And if you
were one of those people, six strapped to the group below. I will be sharing
stuff like this and I am also still apart of Matt daily news which Chris
used to share articles from all the time. So have fun and enjoy.

Joseph Hudson
group owner for iPad help for the blind

* IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io
<mailto:IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io>
<mailto:IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io>
*

Email
jhud7789@... <mailto:jhud7789@...> <mailto:jhud7789@...> I
device support Telephone
2543007667
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joseph.hudson89 facebook
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Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
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On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Christopher Hallsworth <challsworth2@...
<mailto:challsworth2@...> <mailto:challsworth2@...> >
wrote:

Sorry, I got these from the IDB app for iOS. When sharing, only the link is
sent with the email. I realize some of you may not be happy about this, so
will try and research alternatives. I used to be on Mac Daily News, but
unsubscribed after getting the IDB app. Thanks for your suggestion.


On 7 Sep 2016, at 20:55, Kimsan
<kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...> >
wrote:

You should paste the article or every time you send a link Chris, you should
paste the article below. I'm to lazy to click the link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link by now based on the length of
this email.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and
vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jac
k-iphone-7/

























Re: Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7 #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

You're a real ally, Kimsan. I have not experienced the
freeze until the last week or so. I'm always telling people,
"just think, this time next week, you'll have a brand new
problem." Usually I'm right. Trouble is, guess what, it
happens to me too - cheers.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

That message freeze drives me bonkers.
With my singular experience that I'm reporting that you had
an issue with, my work around is the same as yours where I
copy and paste.
My set up is the same as yours, except I'm using 2016 and
not 2013.
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

My singular personal experience is with Windows 10, Office
2013 (Outlook 2013), Internet Explorer and JAWS. For the
first few months that I had this computer, it was just
wonderful to be able to click right onto any link sent; not
so now. I have no idea what caused the change.

Also, recently, I have started having a problem with a
message freeze, but immediately I got a solution - copy
message, get out of message, start again, paste, and
continue.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 11:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

I don't know what program is being used but her message said
that initially, links were more friendly. Assuming that the
same program is being used now, it certainly may be some
problem with her computer. But we need more information to
discuss the matter further and perhaps reach a conclusion.

Also, you are discussing your experience as one user. It is
not proper to generalize from one users experience to the
performance of a program in general. Your experience
indicates that a more general problem may exist.
it is not a definite indication that a general problem
exists.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7


No, it's not just her computer. If memory serves, I think
she uses outlook 2013, and clicking links is a hassle.



At times, you have to select the link, paste it into the
address bar, because pressing enter or spacebar on the link
will not simply launch it.

In other email programs I've used, none of that needed to be
done, so I doubt it's a computer issue.

It's happened to me as well which is why I stated what I did
at the start.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



But that is some sort of problem specific to your computer.
Links were not more friendly. Something changed in your
computer. It may not matter to you enough to experiment but
you might well be able to work around whatever the problem
is by using another browser. It's unfortunate that so many
blind computer users appear so resistant to trying other
browsers than Internet Explorer. If people would just try
another browser, Firefox is more similar to Internet
Explorer than Chrome, they might be surprised how little
they have to learn in the transition.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:03 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



When I first got my computer last year, links were more
friendly, and I clicked on any of them that came through,
but now, I have to wrestle with them a lot of the time, and
still can't get to the intended subject sent. It could be
that if I put forth more effort - but then, there is more
out there than struggling for a length that is not going to
be a life saver or a money maker for me or anyone I know.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

Chris, it is not that hard to email yourself the link and
then show the reader on the Mac and hit command shift I. I
just did this with your current link, And was able to show
the reader and copy the text. One thing you have to realize,
is that some people are not a fan of clicking links. And if
you were one of those people, six strapped to the group
below. I will be sharing stuff like this and I am also still
apart of Matt daily news which Chris used to share articles
from all the time. So have fun and enjoy.

Joseph Hudson
group owner for iPad help for the blind

* IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io
<mailto:IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io>
<mailto:IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io>
*

Email
jhud7789@... <mailto:jhud7789@...>
<mailto:jhud7789@...> I device support Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@... <mailto:jhud7789@...>
<mailto:jhud7789@...>


On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Christopher Hallsworth
<challsworth2@... <mailto:challsworth2@...>
<mailto:challsworth2@...> >
wrote:

Sorry, I got these from the IDB app for iOS. When sharing,
only the link is sent with the email. I realize some of you
may not be happy about this, so will try and research
alternatives. I used to be on Mac Daily News, but
unsubscribed after getting the IDB app. Thanks for your
suggestion.


On 7 Sep 2016, at 20:55, Kimsan
<kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...> >
wrote:

You should paste the article or every time you send a link
Chris, you should paste the article below. I'm to lazy to
click the link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link by now based on
the length of this email.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and
vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jac
k-iphone-7/


Re: Googling it

Carolyn Arnold
 

I like to Google too, and what a help it is to me to listen
to and learn hymns, since I am the pianist at our church.
However, I agree with you, Terry Lynn about some of those
intrusions, that, frankly, are hard for me to make the time
for.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of TerriLynne
Pomeroy
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Googling it

I hope I don't get flack for changing the subject, but I
want to specifically comment on googling it rather than on
the cblue tooth buds.



I love to google things. But lately, I am more reluctant to
do so because of things such as pages refreshing while I am
in the middle of reading something, or finding only the
first paragraph, then having to click to a next page and
find my place again.



I am truly grateful for the opportunities technology offers
me as a blind person, but sometimes the updates and new
features drive me a little crazy.



I admit that it is unfortunate, but I do prefer to have the
article in the email for assured ease of access.



TerriLynne







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 4:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



I try to discourage blatantly harsh or rude quote unquote
"Google it" comments. There is nothing wrong with
occasionally gently encouraging members to try finding their
own answers, but it shouldn't be anyone's default response
and not all information can be easily found with a Google
search.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 6:20 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision:
why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



Both.



Someone could do something for me, I could observe
to see how it's done and then do it myself.



The latter, some hesitate to ask, especially on a
mailing list when the commonality is "google it".

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...
<mailto:kimsansong@...>



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision:
why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



Do people learn by doing things for them or by
encouraging them to do things for themselves and answering
questions if they need help.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pat Seed <mailto:patatips@...>

Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 4:23 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision:
why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



Hi, I know that I am not a moderator. However, that
comment was Uncalled for.

Actually, it is helpful to have the information with
the link. There have been new people coming to this group
lately. We have no idea how much they know, or if anyone out
there is a beginner, whether they have access to internet
training, ETC. So, thank you for placing the information
with the link. It is Very Much Appreciated.

Blessings and All the Very Best, Pat





----- Original Message -----

From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@...>


To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 4:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and
vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



Here you go lazy ass! LOL LOL



From: Christopher Hallsworth
<mailto:challsworth2@...>




http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jac
k-iphone-7/

Courage, space, and vision: why Apple
removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



By Cody Lee, Sep 7, 2016



iPhone 7 lighrtning connectorwh



On Wednesday, Apple confirmed that the
rumors are true: there is no headphone jack in the iPhone 7.
Apple is including a new pair of EarPods in the box with the
handset, as well as an adapter for connecting the headphones
to the legacy 3.5mm port, and it also announced new wireless
earbuds called AirPods.



Apple SVP Phil Schiller explains the move:
"The reason to move on: courage. The courage to move on and
do something new that betters all of us." Schiller says
removing headphone jack will free up space, which is growing
ever-limited with new components, and Apple's ultimate
vision for mobile audio is "wireless."
iPhone 7 adaptor in box



"Up till now no one has taken on the
challenge of fixing the things that are difficult to do on
those wireless experiences and make them so we all want to
do them. Our team at Apple has worked so hard to create
something new that delivers on the opportunity to create the
wireless experience."



So there you have it. For all of you folks
out there wondering how Apple would justify removing the
headphone jack from the iPhone 7: they say it's because the
port was a poor use of space and ultimately they see all
headphones becoming wireless. Coincidentally, they also
announced multiple new pairs of Bluetooth headphones today.



We'd love to hear your thoughts on the move,
sound off below!

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>


To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and
vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



You should paste the article or every time
you send a link Chris, you should
paste the article below. I'm to lazy to
click the link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link
by now based on the length of
this email.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...
<mailto:kimsansong@...>

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
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Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and
vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


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Re: Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7 #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

Thanks, Kimsan, you are right on with my specific issues. It
is encouraging to know that it could be, probably is, an
Outlook problem.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 11:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

Gene:



I've been on several lists, and seen several emails from
different users discussing this links issue with outlook
2013 so no I'm not just talking about my own experience.

You don't know what program is being used, and with emails
I've seen from her in the past, I know she uses 2013.

If everything is working for her now, great.

I'll stop talking on her behalf now because it's to early
for me lol.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



I don't know what program is being used but her message said
that initially, links were more friendly. Assuming that the
same program is being used now, it certainly may be some
problem with her computer. But we need more information to
discuss the matter further and perhaps reach a conclusion.



Also, you are discussing your experience as one user. It is
not proper to generalize from one users experience to the
performance of a program in general. Your experience
indicates that a more general problem may exist. it is not
a definite indication that a general problem exists.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:35 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



No, it's not just her computer. If memory serves, I think
she uses outlook 2013, and clicking links is a hassle.



At times, you have to select the link, paste it into the
address bar, because pressing enter or spacebar on the link
will not simply launch it.

In other email programs I've used, none of that needed to be
done, so I doubt it's a computer issue.

It's happened to me as well which is why I stated what I did
at the start.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



But that is some sort of problem specific to your computer.
Links were not more friendly. Something changed in your
computer. It may not matter to you enough to experiment but
you might well be able to work around whatever the problem
is by using another browser. It's unfortunate that so many
blind computer users appear so resistant to trying other
browsers than Internet Explorer. If people would just try
another browser, Firefox is more similar to Internet
Explorer than Chrome, they might be surprised how little
they have to learn in the transition.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:03 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



When I first got my computer last year, links were more
friendly, and I clicked on any of them that came through,
but now, I have to wrestle with them a lot of the time, and
still can't get to the intended subject sent. It could be
that if I put forth more effort - but then, there is more
out there than struggling for a length that is not going to
be a life saver or a money maker for me or anyone I know.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

Chris, it is not that hard to email yourself the link and
then show the reader on the Mac and hit command shift I. I
just did this with your current link, And was able to show
the reader and copy the text. One thing you have to realize,
is that some people are not a fan of clicking links. And if
you were one of those people, six strapped to the group
below. I will be sharing stuff like this and I am also still
apart of Matt daily news which Chris used to share articles
from all the time. So have fun and enjoy.

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On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Christopher Hallsworth
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<mailto:challsworth2@...> >
wrote:

Sorry, I got these from the IDB app for iOS. When sharing,
only the link is sent with the email. I realize some of you
may not be happy about this, so will try and research
alternatives. I used to be on Mac Daily News, but
unsubscribed after getting the IDB app. Thanks for your
suggestion.


On 7 Sep 2016, at 20:55, Kimsan
<kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...> >
wrote:

You should paste the article or every time you send a link
Chris, you should paste the article below. I'm to lazy to
click the link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link by now based on
the length of this email.

Kimsan Song
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<mailto:kimsansong@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
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[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and
vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jac
k-iphone-7/


Re: Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7 #article

Kimsan
 

That message freeze drives me bonkers.
With my singular experience that I'm reporting that you had an issue with,
my work around is the same as yours where I copy and paste.
My set up is the same as yours, except I'm using 2016 and not 2013.
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

My singular personal experience is with Windows 10, Office
2013 (Outlook 2013), Internet Explorer and JAWS. For the first few months
that I had this computer, it was just wonderful to be able to click right
onto any link sent; not so now. I have no idea what caused the change.

Also, recently, I have started having a problem with a message freeze, but
immediately I got a solution - copy message, get out of message, start
again, paste, and continue.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 11:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

I don't know what program is being used but her message said that initially,
links were more friendly. Assuming that the same program is being used now,
it certainly may be some problem with her computer. But we need more
information to discuss the matter further and perhaps reach a conclusion.

Also, you are discussing your experience as one user. It is not proper to
generalize from one users experience to the performance of a program in
general. Your experience indicates that a more general problem may exist.
it is not a definite indication that a general problem exists.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


No, it's not just her computer. If memory serves, I think she uses outlook
2013, and clicking links is a hassle.



At times, you have to select the link, paste it into the address bar,
because pressing enter or spacebar on the link will not simply launch it.

In other email programs I've used, none of that needed to be done, so I
doubt it's a computer issue.

It's happened to me as well which is why I stated what I did at the start.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7



But that is some sort of problem specific to your computer.
Links were not more friendly. Something changed in your computer. It may
not matter to you enough to experiment but you might well be able to work
around whatever the problem is by using another browser. It's unfortunate
that so many blind computer users appear so resistant to trying other
browsers than Internet Explorer. If people would just try another browser,
Firefox is more similar to Internet Explorer than Chrome, they might be
surprised how little they have to learn in the transition.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:03 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7



When I first got my computer last year, links were more friendly, and I
clicked on any of them that came through, but now, I have to wrestle with
them a lot of the time, and still can't get to the intended subject sent. It
could be that if I put forth more effort - but then, there is more out there
than struggling for a length that is not going to be a life saver or a money
maker for me or anyone I know.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

Chris, it is not that hard to email yourself the link and then show the
reader on the Mac and hit command shift I. I just did this with your current
link, And was able to show the reader and copy the text. One thing you have
to realize, is that some people are not a fan of clicking links. And if you
were one of those people, six strapped to the group below. I will be sharing
stuff like this and I am also still apart of Matt daily news which Chris
used to share articles from all the time. So have fun and enjoy.

Joseph Hudson
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On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Christopher Hallsworth <challsworth2@...
<mailto:challsworth2@...> <mailto:challsworth2@...> >
wrote:

Sorry, I got these from the IDB app for iOS. When sharing, only the link is
sent with the email. I realize some of you may not be happy about this, so
will try and research alternatives. I used to be on Mac Daily News, but
unsubscribed after getting the IDB app. Thanks for your suggestion.


On 7 Sep 2016, at 20:55, Kimsan
<kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...> >
wrote:

You should paste the article or every time you send a link Chris, you should
paste the article below. I'm to lazy to click the link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link by now based on the length of
this email.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and
vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jac
k-iphone-7/


Re: Googling it

Terrilynne Pomeroy <tl1@...>
 

I hope I don’t get flack for changing the subject, but I want to specifically comment on googling it rather than on the cblue tooth buds.

 

I love to google things. But lately, I am more reluctant to do so because of things such as pages refreshing while I am in the middle of reading something, or finding only the first paragraph, then having to click to a next page and find my place again.

 

I am truly grateful for the opportunities technology offers me as a blind person, but sometimes the updates and new features drive me a little crazy.

 

I admit that it is unfortunate, but I do prefer to have the article in the email for assured ease of access.

 

TerriLynne

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 4:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

 

I try to discourage blatantly harsh or rude quote unquote "Google it" comments.  There is nothing wrong with occasionally gently encouraging members to try finding their own answers, but it shouldn't be anyone's default response and not all information can be easily found with a Google search.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 6:20 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

 

Both.

 

Someone could do something for me, I could observe to see how it’s done and then do it myself.

 

The latter, some hesitate to ask, especially on a mailing list when the commonality is “google it”.

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

 

Do people learn by doing things for them or by encouraging them to do things for themselves and answering questions if they need help. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pat Seed

Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

 

Hi, I know that I am not a moderator. However, that comment was Uncalled for.

Actually, it is helpful to have the information with the link. There have been new people coming to this group lately. We have no idea how much they know, or if anyone out there is a beginner, whether they have access to internet training, ETC. So, thank you for placing the information with the link. It is Very Much Appreciated.

Blessings and All the Very Best, Pat

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike B.

Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 4:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

 

Here you go lazy ass!  LOL  LOL 

 

 

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/

Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

 

By Cody Lee, Sep 7, 2016 

 

iPhone 7 lighrtning connectorwh

 

On Wednesday, Apple confirmed that the rumors are true: there is no headphone jack in the iPhone 7. Apple is including a new pair of EarPods in the box with the handset, as well as an adapter for connecting the headphones to the legacy 3.5mm port, and it also announced new wireless earbuds called AirPods.

 

Apple SVP Phil Schiller explains the move: “The reason to move on: courage. The courage to move on and do something new that betters all of us.” Schiller says removing headphone jack will free up space, which is growing ever-limited with new components, and Apple’s ultimate vision for mobile audio is “wireless.”
iPhone 7 adaptor in box

 

“Up till now no one has taken on the challenge of fixing the things that are difficult to do on those wireless experiences and make them so we all want to do them. Our team at Apple has worked so hard to create something new that delivers on the opportunity to create the wireless experience.”

 

So there you have it. For all of you folks out there wondering how Apple would justify removing the headphone jack from the iPhone 7: they say it’s because the port was a poor use of space and ultimately they see all headphones becoming wireless. Coincidentally, they also announced multiple new pairs of Bluetooth headphones today.

 

We’d love to hear your thoughts on the move, sound off below!

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

 

You should paste the article or every time you send a link Chris, you should
paste the article below. I'm to lazy to click the link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link by now based on the length of
this email.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jack-iphone-7/





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Re: Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7 #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

Everything I have is the same other than updates in JAWS and
routine Windows 10 updates.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 12:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

In your second message, you said that you have seen many
people discuss this issue other lists. But if you don't say
that, then it appears that you are reporting and
generalizing on just your experience. That is an important
difference. One users' experience tells us about just that
user. That's one reason beta testing is done with lots of
participants. if you report that many others had such a
problem, then that is a sample group that may mean that a
more general problem exists.

You may be right that the problem is Outlook 2013. But
Caroline said that links used to be more friendly. Assuming
the same program was used, we don't know what accounts for
the difference.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 11:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7


Ok, why would I need to make statements that other outlook
users are having links issues, when I'm talking about my
experience.

I get it, maybe others are having the same issue? Or, since
there are no responses having the same claims as I, we can't
assume it's an outlook issue? Or it could be this, others
maybe having the same issue as myself, but they choose to
resolve it on their own, or not even waste time on it and
move on. To me, it just sounds like, since I don't mention
"other outlook users" are having the same links issues, as
myself that when it's reported, nobody will give a hoot lol.

We are going to go round and round on this, I can see it
already.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



You should make such statements when discussing such matters
so we know what you are basing such statements on. If you
don't, it appears that you are only talking about your
experience.



I don't know if Caroline copies and pastes links but that
would be a work around except where links are not shown as
code, such as, for example, links that say click here.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:51 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



Gene:



I've been on several lists, and seen several emails from
different users discussing this links issue with outlook
2013 so no I'm not just talking about my own experience.

You don't know what program is being used, and with emails
I've seen from her in the past, I know she uses 2013.

If everything is working for her now, great.

I'll stop talking on her behalf now because it's to early
for me lol.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



I don't know what program is being used but her message said
that initially, links were more friendly. Assuming that the
same program is being used now, it certainly may be some
problem with her computer. But we need more information to
discuss the matter further and perhaps reach a conclusion.



Also, you are discussing your experience as one user. It is
not proper to generalize from one users experience to the
performance of a program in general. Your experience
indicates that a more general problem may exist. it is not
a definite indication that a general problem exists.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:35 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



No, it's not just her computer. If memory serves, I think
she uses outlook 2013, and clicking links is a hassle.



At times, you have to select the link, paste it into the
address bar, because pressing enter or spacebar on the link
will not simply launch it.

In other email programs I've used, none of that needed to be
done, so I doubt it's a computer issue.

It's happened to me as well which is why I stated what I did
at the start.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



But that is some sort of problem specific to your computer.
Links were not more friendly. Something changed in your
computer. It may not matter to you enough to experiment but
you might well be able to work around whatever the problem
is by using another browser. It's unfortunate that so many
blind computer users appear so resistant to trying other
browsers than Internet Explorer. If people would just try
another browser, Firefox is more similar to Internet
Explorer than Chrome, they might be surprised how little
they have to learn in the transition.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:03 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



When I first got my computer last year, links were more
friendly, and I clicked on any of them that came through,
but now, I have to wrestle with them a lot of the time, and
still can't get to the intended subject sent. It could be
that if I put forth more effort - but then, there is more
out there than struggling for a length that is not going to
be a life saver or a money maker for me or anyone I know.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

Chris, it is not that hard to email yourself the link and
then show the reader on the Mac and hit command shift I. I
just did this with your current link, And was able to show
the reader and copy the text. One thing you have to realize,
is that some people are not a fan of clicking links. And if
you were one of those people, six strapped to the group
below. I will be sharing stuff like this and I am also still
apart of Matt daily news which Chris used to share articles
from all the time. So have fun and enjoy.

Joseph Hudson
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On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Christopher Hallsworth
<challsworth2@... <mailto:challsworth2@...>
<mailto:challsworth2@...> >
wrote:

Sorry, I got these from the IDB app for iOS. When sharing,
only the link is sent with the email. I realize some of you
may not be happy about this, so will try and research
alternatives. I used to be on Mac Daily News, but
unsubscribed after getting the IDB app. Thanks for your
suggestion.


On 7 Sep 2016, at 20:55, Kimsan
<kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...> >
wrote:

You should paste the article or every time you send a link
Chris, you should paste the article below. I'm to lazy to
click the link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link by now based on
the length of this email.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and
vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jac
k-iphone-7/


Re: Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7 #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

I did mention in one of my emails that I could copy and
paste, but that is not a priority, since it is a big world
with more than links, at least in my life.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

Ok, why would I need to make statements that other outlook
users are having links issues, when I'm talking about my
experience.

I get it, maybe others are having the same issue? Or, since
there are no responses having the same claims as I, we can't
assume it's an outlook issue? Or it could be this, others
maybe having the same issue as myself, but they choose to
resolve it on their own, or not even waste time on it and
move on. To me, it just sounds like, since I don't mention
"other outlook users" are having the same links issues, as
myself that when it's reported, nobody will give a hoot lol.

We are going to go round and round on this, I can see it
already.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



You should make such statements when discussing such matters
so we know what you are basing such statements on. If you
don't, it appears that you are only talking about your
experience.



I don't know if Caroline copies and pastes links but that
would be a work around except where links are not shown as
code, such as, for example, links that say click here.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:51 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



Gene:



I've been on several lists, and seen several emails from
different users discussing this links issue with outlook
2013 so no I'm not just talking about my own experience.

You don't know what program is being used, and with emails
I've seen from her in the past, I know she uses 2013.

If everything is working for her now, great.

I'll stop talking on her behalf now because it's to early
for me lol.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



I don't know what program is being used but her message said
that initially, links were more friendly. Assuming that the
same program is being used now, it certainly may be some
problem with her computer. But we need more information to
discuss the matter further and perhaps reach a conclusion.



Also, you are discussing your experience as one user. It is
not proper to generalize from one users experience to the
performance of a program in general. Your experience
indicates that a more general problem may exist. it is not
a definite indication that a general problem exists.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:35 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



No, it's not just her computer. If memory serves, I think
she uses outlook 2013, and clicking links is a hassle.



At times, you have to select the link, paste it into the
address bar, because pressing enter or spacebar on the link
will not simply launch it.

In other email programs I've used, none of that needed to be
done, so I doubt it's a computer issue.

It's happened to me as well which is why I stated what I did
at the start.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



But that is some sort of problem specific to your computer.
Links were not more friendly. Something changed in your
computer. It may not matter to you enough to experiment but
you might well be able to work around whatever the problem
is by using another browser. It's unfortunate that so many
blind computer users appear so resistant to trying other
browsers than Internet Explorer. If people would just try
another browser, Firefox is more similar to Internet
Explorer than Chrome, they might be surprised how little
they have to learn in the transition.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:03 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



When I first got my computer last year, links were more
friendly, and I clicked on any of them that came through,
but now, I have to wrestle with them a lot of the time, and
still can't get to the intended subject sent. It could be
that if I put forth more effort - but then, there is more
out there than struggling for a length that is not going to
be a life saver or a money maker for me or anyone I know.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

Chris, it is not that hard to email yourself the link and
then show the reader on the Mac and hit command shift I. I
just did this with your current link, And was able to show
the reader and copy the text. One thing you have to realize,
is that some people are not a fan of clicking links. And if
you were one of those people, six strapped to the group
below. I will be sharing stuff like this and I am also still
apart of Matt daily news which Chris used to share articles
from all the time. So have fun and enjoy.

Joseph Hudson
group owner for iPad help for the blind

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On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Christopher Hallsworth
<challsworth2@... <mailto:challsworth2@...>
<mailto:challsworth2@...> >
wrote:

Sorry, I got these from the IDB app for iOS. When sharing,
only the link is sent with the email. I realize some of you
may not be happy about this, so will try and research
alternatives. I used to be on Mac Daily News, but
unsubscribed after getting the IDB app. Thanks for your
suggestion.


On 7 Sep 2016, at 20:55, Kimsan
<kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...> >
wrote:

You should paste the article or every time you send a link
Chris, you should paste the article below. I'm to lazy to
click the link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link by now based on
the length of this email.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and
vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jac
k-iphone-7/


Re: Courage, space, and vision: why Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7 #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

My singular personal experience is with Windows 10, Office
2013 (Outlook 2013), Internet Explorer and JAWS. For the
first few months that I had this computer, it was just
wonderful to be able to click right onto any link sent; not
so now. I have no idea what caused the change.

Also, recently, I have started having a problem with a
message freeze, but immediately I got a solution - copy
message, get out of message, start again, paste, and
continue.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 11:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

I don't know what program is being used but her message said
that initially, links were more friendly. Assuming that the
same program is being used now, it certainly may be some
problem with her computer. But we need more information to
discuss the matter further and perhaps reach a conclusion.

Also, you are discussing your experience as one user. It is
not proper to generalize from one users experience to the
performance of a program in general. Your experience
indicates that a more general problem may exist. it is not
a definite indication that a general problem exists.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan <mailto:kimsansong@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7


No, it's not just her computer. If memory serves, I think
she uses outlook 2013, and clicking links is a hassle.



At times, you have to select the link, paste it into the
address bar, because pressing enter or spacebar on the link
will not simply launch it.

In other email programs I've used, none of that needed to be
done, so I doubt it's a computer issue.

It's happened to me as well which is why I stated what I did
at the start.



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



But that is some sort of problem specific to your computer.
Links were not more friendly. Something changed in your
computer. It may not matter to you enough to experiment but
you might well be able to work around whatever the problem
is by using another browser. It's unfortunate that so many
blind computer users appear so resistant to trying other
browsers than Internet Explorer. If people would just try
another browser, Firefox is more similar to Internet
Explorer than Chrome, they might be surprised how little
they have to learn in the transition.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:03 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7



When I first got my computer last year, links were more
friendly, and I clicked on any of them that came through,
but now, I have to wrestle with them a lot of the time, and
still can't get to the intended subject sent. It could be
that if I put forth more effort - but then, there is more
out there than struggling for a length that is not going to
be a life saver or a money maker for me or anyone I know.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 1:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and vision: why
Apple removed the headphone jack in iPhone 7

Chris, it is not that hard to email yourself the link and
then show the reader on the Mac and hit command shift I. I
just did this with your current link, And was able to show
the reader and copy the text. One thing you have to realize,
is that some people are not a fan of clicking links. And if
you were one of those people, six strapped to the group
below. I will be sharing stuff like this and I am also still
apart of Matt daily news which Chris used to share articles
from all the time. So have fun and enjoy.

Joseph Hudson
group owner for iPad help for the blind

* IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io
<mailto:IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io>
<mailto:IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe@groups.io>
*

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On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Christopher Hallsworth
<challsworth2@... <mailto:challsworth2@...>
<mailto:challsworth2@...> >
wrote:

Sorry, I got these from the IDB app for iOS. When sharing,
only the link is sent with the email. I realize some of you
may not be happy about this, so will try and research
alternatives. I used to be on Mac Daily News, but
unsubscribed after getting the IDB app. Thanks for your
suggestion.


On 7 Sep 2016, at 20:55, Kimsan
<kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...> >
wrote:

You should paste the article or every time you send a link
Chris, you should paste the article below. I'm to lazy to
click the link.

Haha, I suppose I could've clicked the link by now based on
the length of this email.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@... <mailto:kimsansong@...>
<mailto:kimsansong@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Courage, space, and
vision: why Apple removed the
headphone jack in iPhone 7


http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/07/why-no-headphone-jac
k-iphone-7/