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Re: making your own tts voices

Edmond <gocloud84@...>
 

I recommended something but I do not remember it now either LOL

On 9/13/2016 4:45 AM, Keith S wrote:
Hi, a month ago I asked about a program that would allow me to make my
own tts voices. I had a copy of the program on a backup drive, but that
drive is no more.

Someone on the list suggested one site, for the life I can't remember it
now) but it was mainly for people who cannot talk anymmore. It is free
to those with speech difficulties, like those people with ALS, but it
does not appear to be right for the blind.

The program I had wad talked about about 5 years ago and I guess you
just plugged in sound files and allowed teh program to somehow make a
voice for you that would work with various screen readers.

Does anyone have a clue as to what I am talking about or was this
program and the company that created it lost in the US recession?

Thanks and sorry for the lack of details on the program.

Keith


making your own tts voices

Keith S
 

Hi, a month ago I asked about a program that would allow me to make my own tts voices.  I had a copy of the program on a backup drive, but that drive is no more.
 
Someone on the list suggested one site, for the life I can't remember it now) but it was mainly for people who cannot talk anymmore.  It is free to those with speech difficulties, like those people with ALS, but it does not appear to be right for the blind.
 
The program I had wad talked about about 5 years ago and I guess you just plugged in sound files and allowed teh program to somehow make a voice for you that would work with various screen readers.
 
Does anyone have a clue as to what I am talking about or was this program and the company that created it lost in the US recession?
 
Thanks and sorry for the lack of details on the program.
 
Keith


Re: techtalk URL?

Flor Lynch
 

Hello,
 
Sorry I didn’t see this question before now.
 
 
- that’s one of the addresses (given their recent move to Audioboom). If you go to the RNIB ConnectRadio TechTalk site itself, you’ll be directed to it. Under the new dispensation there are about three different podcasts feeds to choose from now. I wasn’t keen on the way they just upped and moved from their old, reliable, site, and I emailed them about that (among a couple other things).
 

On Sep 12, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Billy Inglis <william.inglis72@...> wrote:

hi guys, Can someone please tell me the podcast url address for RNIB techtalk show ?Billy


Re: Facebook chat

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

I barely do much with Facebook; but, it is my understanding from readings here and there that Facebook NO LONGER allows third party apps to interface with its API!  Even apps like Skype, from which you could previously access Facebook chats no longer works!  GW micro, or A I Squared, take your pick, once had an app that would plug into Facebook's API for easy access to chat on Facebook.  This app, to the best of my knowledge, has since been deprecated for the reasons stated herein. 

 

If you're using your smartphone--yikes, those phones are smarter than me--perhaps you can give Facebook Messenger a try if it is available on your preferred platform. 

 

Sincerely,

Olusegun

Denver, Colorado


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Microsoft Word with NVDA by NV Access now available

Quentin Christensen
 

NV Access is very pleased to announce the release of "Microsoft Word with NVDA", the official training material for Microsoft Word with NVDA. It covers concepts from getting started with Word through to use of advanced features such as customising the status ribbon and running macros.

Available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/product/microsoft-word-training-for-nvda/ initially in eBook formats (Braille and audio to follow) for AUD $30 (+ $3 GST in Australia).


Microsoft Word with NVDA is the second module in the official set of training materials for learning to use the free NVDA screen reader. Suitable for the new and existing user of Microsoft Word wishing to improve proficiency. This module assumes that the user has completed the “Basic Training for NVDA” module, or has equivalent knowledge.

Topics covered include: Getting started with Microsoft Word, proofreading, styles, tables, page layout, referencing, inserting, collaboration and sharing and customising Word options. Formats included in this package: ePub, HTML, Word Docx and Mobi (Kindle).

The purchase price of this product supports the work of NV Access and our ability to provide the NVDA screen reading software free of charge.

If you would like to sample the style of the material prior to purchasing, we have made an extract of the Basic Training for NVDA module freely available on our website, http://www.nvaccess.org/.


--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: techtalk URL?

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

On Sep 12, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Billy Inglis <william.inglis72@...> wrote:

hi guys, Can someone please tell me the podcast url address for RNIB techtalk show ?Billy





Re: tasks scheduler, default tasks, and windows 10

Edmond <gocloud84@...>
 

Welcome back<LOL>!
It's not different anyway. Windows Defender is the same in all Windows 10 releases.
I am sorry AVG is a S***T.

On 9/12/2016 8:36 PM, Melissa wrote:
I am not running the anniversary version yet. I hadn't installed AVG
after I re did my computer so I wanted to see if my computer was
scanning for viruses and doing the regular maintenance tasks. I don't
have the time at the moment to try poking around the task scheduler
again but I will give it a look tomorrow.
Thanks for the advice sirs

Melissa

On 9/11/16, Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io <gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
As you might know, you should use the Settings app in Windows 10 to
control Windows Defender in Windows 10. I am sure you are aware, but
let's remind that you cannot disable, or enable automatic scanning in
Windows 10's Windows Defender settings (I mean actually the Settings
app) like you do in Windows 7. Fortuantely it's still possible to
disable or enable the real time protection there if required.

On 9/11/2016 8:17 PM, Gene wrote:
I would expect that such tasks would be set from within the programs
themselves. I'm not saying that you couldn't tell from Task Scheduler,
but you would usually expect such settings to be set from within the
programs. Also, while Windows Defender may have been expanded to
included defrag and a check disk function, such were always handled by
other programs in the past. You really don't need to perform such tasks
routinely with modern systems unless you are concerned about whether you
use a laptop computer in a wreckless manner or whether an acciden has
occurred. But in the case of desktops. I wouldn't worry.

Gene

*From:* Melissa <mailto:melissa.j.hammitt@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:57 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* [TechTalk] tasks scheduler, default tasks, and windows 10

I wanted to check out tasks as I wanted to check over what I had and
didn't have. I'm having trouble trying to figure out what tasks I do
have.... One part tells me that I have no active tasks and no tasks
have recently been run. The control panel for scheduled tasks was a
lot easier to understand with earlier versions of windows. I can't
make heads or tails of this one. I just wanted to make sure that I
have windows defender to scan, defrag, and check disk. Wouldn't those
already be set up?
Any tips or resources to read would be appreciated.

Melissa





Re: tasks scheduler, default tasks, and windows 10

 

I am not running the anniversary version yet. I hadn't installed AVG
after I re did my computer so I wanted to see if my computer was
scanning for viruses and doing the regular maintenance tasks. I don't
have the time at the moment to try poking around the task scheduler
again but I will give it a look tomorrow.
Thanks for the advice sirs

Melissa

On 9/11/16, Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io <gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
As you might know, you should use the Settings app in Windows 10 to
control Windows Defender in Windows 10. I am sure you are aware, but
let's remind that you cannot disable, or enable automatic scanning in
Windows 10's Windows Defender settings (I mean actually the Settings
app) like you do in Windows 7. Fortuantely it's still possible to
disable or enable the real time protection there if required.

On 9/11/2016 8:17 PM, Gene wrote:
I would expect that such tasks would be set from within the programs
themselves. I'm not saying that you couldn't tell from Task Scheduler,
but you would usually expect such settings to be set from within the
programs. Also, while Windows Defender may have been expanded to
included defrag and a check disk function, such were always handled by
other programs in the past. You really don't need to perform such tasks
routinely with modern systems unless you are concerned about whether you
use a laptop computer in a wreckless manner or whether an acciden has
occurred. But in the case of desktops. I wouldn't worry.

Gene

*From:* Melissa <mailto:melissa.j.hammitt@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:57 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* [TechTalk] tasks scheduler, default tasks, and windows 10

I wanted to check out tasks as I wanted to check over what I had and
didn't have. I'm having trouble trying to figure out what tasks I do
have.... One part tells me that I have no active tasks and no tasks
have recently been run. The control panel for scheduled tasks was a
lot easier to understand with earlier versions of windows. I can't
make heads or tails of this one. I just wanted to make sure that I
have windows defender to scan, defrag, and check disk. Wouldn't those
already be set up?
Any tips or resources to read would be appreciated.

Melissa





Re: jaws and firefox

Edmond <gocloud84@...>
 

I should check it myself but do you have any custom JAWS settings for Firefox?
Look at
C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\17.0\Settings\enu
Do you have a file named something like firefox.JCF or something else? Note that I am not referring to dictionary files (.jdf files) for now.
I guess you should have a .jcf there. if so, and if you feel you do not need it. delete the file and try again.
Thanks.

On 9/12/2016 7:08 PM, Kelsey Nicolay wrote:
Hello,
I am using JAWS 17. My default web browser is Mozilla Firefox since
that works better with the software that we use at work. However, I am
having an issue in which I cannot enter contracted Braille anywhere in
Firefox. However, if I open Internet Explorer and use contracted
Braille, it works fine. I have input and output set to unified English
Braille grade 2 in JAWS, so I'm not sure why JAWS won't let me use
contracted Braille in Firefox. I remember it worked before, but Firefox
updated itself a week ago, so I'm wondering if the update caused the
issue. Has anyone experienced this issue with JAWS and their Braille
display in Firefox? I'm using a Focus 14 right now but will be switching
back to my Brailliant. Is there any way to fix this issue or will I
have to switch my default browser back to Internet Explorer? Braille
input won't work at all in Google Chrome.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay


jaws and firefox

Kelsey Nicolay
 

Hello,
I am using JAWS 17. My default web browser is Mozilla Firefox since that works better with the software that we use at work. However, I am having an issue in which I cannot enter contracted Braille anywhere in Firefox. However, if I open Internet Explorer and use contracted Braille, it works fine. I have input and output set to unified English Braille grade 2 in JAWS, so I'm not sure why JAWS won't let me use contracted Braille in Firefox. I remember it worked before, but Firefox updated itself a week ago, so I'm wondering if the update caused the issue. Has anyone experienced this issue with JAWS and their Braille display in Firefox? I'm using a Focus 14 right now but will be switching back to my Brailliant. Is there any way to fix this issue or will I have to switch my default browser back to Internet Explorer? Braille input won't work at all in Google Chrome.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay


Re: Labeling buttons with JAWS

Edmond <gocloud84@...>
 

You're welcome.

On 9/12/2016 5:16 PM, TerriLynne Pomeroy wrote:
Thanks, Edmond, that does also work.

TerriLynne


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

You could also use Control+Insert+Tab keyboard shortcut if you wish.
This opens the same dialogue.

On 9/12/2016 4:50 PM, TerriLynne Pomeroy wrote:
Thanks, Carlos, this does work. I had, as so often advised, googled
for this answer and was trying to do the custom thing, but it wasn't
showing up while in the program. For some reason, in the stuff I
downloaded from Freedom Scientific, I didn't see your instructions.
But your instructions are working in this program, and I am so
grateful. J



Thanks again,



TerriLynne





*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Carlos
*Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:35 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS



While the button/control you want to label has focus, press Insert+F2
and select

"Prompt Create"

----- Original Message -----

*From:*TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>

*To:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

*Sent:*Sunday, September 11, 2016 3:54 PM

*Subject:*[TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS



Can anyone give me step by step directions on how to label buttons
in programs using JAWS? I have to admit that I did try googling for
this information, but mainly came up with instructions for labeling
text links.



Any ideas or directions?



Thanks much,



TerriLynne






Re: Labeling buttons with JAWS

Terrilynne Pomeroy <tl1@...>
 

Thanks, Edmond, that does also work.

TerriLynne

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

You could also use Control+Insert+Tab keyboard shortcut if you wish.
This opens the same dialogue.

On 9/12/2016 4:50 PM, TerriLynne Pomeroy wrote:
Thanks, Carlos, this does work. I had, as so often advised, googled
for this answer and was trying to do the custom thing, but it wasn't
showing up while in the program. For some reason, in the stuff I
downloaded from Freedom Scientific, I didn't see your instructions.
But your instructions are working in this program, and I am so
grateful. J



Thanks again,



TerriLynne





*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Carlos
*Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:35 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS



While the button/control you want to label has focus, press Insert+F2
and select

"Prompt Create"

----- Original Message -----

*From:*TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>

*To:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

*Sent:*Sunday, September 11, 2016 3:54 PM

*Subject:*[TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS



Can anyone give me step by step directions on how to label buttons
in programs using JAWS? I have to admit that I did try googling for
this information, but mainly came up with instructions for labeling
text links.



Any ideas or directions?



Thanks much,



TerriLynne


Re: Labeling buttons with JAWS

Edmond <gocloud84@...>
 

You could also use Control+Insert+Tab keyboard shortcut if you wish. This opens the same dialogue.

On 9/12/2016 4:50 PM, TerriLynne Pomeroy wrote:
Thanks, Carlos, this does work. I had, as so often advised, googled for
this answer and was trying to do the custom thing, but it wasn’t showing
up while in the program. For some reason, in the stuff I downloaded from
Freedom Scientific, I didn’t see your instructions. But your
instructions are working in this program, and I am so grateful. J



Thanks again,



TerriLynne





*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Carlos
*Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:35 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS



While the button/control you want to label has focus, press Insert+F2
and select

"Prompt Create"

----- Original Message -----

*From:*TerriLynne Pomeroy <mailto:tl1@ml1.net>

*To:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

*Sent:*Sunday, September 11, 2016 3:54 PM

*Subject:*[TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS



Can anyone give me step by step directions on how to label buttons
in programs using JAWS? I have to admit that I did try googling for
this information, but mainly came up with instructions for labeling
text links.



Any ideas or directions?



Thanks much,



TerriLynne


Re: Labeling buttons with JAWS

Terrilynne Pomeroy <tl1@...>
 

Thanks, Carlos, this does work. I had, as so often advised, googled for this answer and was trying to do the custom thing, but it wasn’t showing up while in the program. For some reason, in the stuff I downloaded from Freedom Scientific, I didn’t see your instructions. But your instructions are working in this program, and I am so grateful. J

 

Thanks again,

 

TerriLynne

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

While the button/control you want to label has focus, press Insert+F2 and select

"Prompt Create"

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 3:54 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

Can anyone give me step by step directions on how to label buttons in programs using JAWS? I have to admit that I did try googling for this information, but mainly came up with instructions for labeling text links.

 

Any ideas or directions?

 

Thanks much,

 

TerriLynne


Tune In Radio and NFL Radio Broadcasts: A Pleasant Surprise

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


As many of you know, last year, NFL.com combined their Video and audio packages into one costly (one hundred dollars a year) package thus effectively quintupling the cost for blind people who have no real interest in the video. In addition, the website became a lot less accessible and little has been done to change that.


This year, I signed up for the Tune In Premium package--which among other things--includes NFL regular and post season game; NBA, NHL and MLB radio broadcasts.


I was a bit apprehensive about this as I had heard mixed reviews from others on various visually impaired oriented lists. The cost per month is $7.99 and you can cancel at any time.


Here is my analysis of the first week of games and my listening experience. I would give the service a 98% rating. The games I wanted to listen to: Buffalo at Baltimore; Cincinnati at New York Jets; Miami at Seattle; and New England at Arizona, all played perfectly. The audio was decent enough and well balanced. The only issue that I had at all, was that the premium stations cut away from the broadcast almost immediately after the final whistle and if you wanted to hear the post game show, you had to unload the premium stream and then access the free stream on the station you were listening to that carried the premium stream. In one case, the New England VS Arizona game, it took 5 minutes for the free station to allow me back into the post game show. I don't know quite why this happened. I kept getting the message: "The stream you are trying to access is unavailable to you. This may be because of one of two things: Either you are trying to access premium sports content from outside the USA or you are trying to access premium content for which you are not entitled. You can rectify this situation by doing one of two things. Either move to the USA or subscribe to our premium service." This was a bit odd--since iI had a premium subscription. Five minutes after this message began, the station became accessible. Perhaps this was just a one time glitch. Other than that one incident, the streams played quite well.


Here is a hint for those of you who in the past said you had issues with Tune In sports events.

1. Bookmark the pages within the sports page of Tune In that you want such as NFL or MLB.

2. Also bookmark your favorite team's web page when you are listening to a game. Usually between games, they stream either highlights of past games or talk shows or podcasts concerning that team.

3. To access your premium stream, switch on forms mode as you approach the listing of teams. This is necessary because the team listing are some sort of on mouse ove or hover item. Once you have switched to forms mode (JAWS) or edit mode (NVDA) use the tab and shift tab to move over the team names and then press the enter key to access the stream. If you bookmark the favorite teams as suggested above, this of course, will not be necessary. If you want to switch between team streams during an active day of sports events, it would help to switch and use this forms mode approach. Otherwise, you would have to bookmark dozens of team streams and then page through them.


If you are a real sports fan, I would recommend Tune In Premium for easy access to hundreds of radio sports events.






--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Carlos
 


You can find an article to support almost any position.  I believe the article posted by Gene presents a more balanced prospective.  Notice though that most of these articles tend to discuss durability of construction, long term compatibility, upgradability, and so on.  No mention or comparison is usually made of common internal components such as hard drives, memory, motherboards, and processors.  And based on personal experience, I maintain that in this respect, you are likely to find much less of a difference in quality except at the more extreme price ranges.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

I forgot to give the link in my last message. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Here is an article which appears more nuanced than the article I wrote about in my last message.  I am still inclined to save money, perhaps two or three hundred dollars, purchase a consumer grade machine, and gamble that I will come out as well or ahead.  but others may disagree and a discussion may be interesting.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

This article supports your assertion more but I remain skeptical that general advice to buy a business machine is necessarily a good generalization.  Even this article doesn't make such a generalization.  and I question the article's accuracy to an extent.  I want to emphasize that I am stating my opinion.  I am not a tech and those with considerably more technical knowledge may either support or disagree with me.  But the author says roughly this:
Business computers may be made with better components and are likely to last many years.  This isn't a quote but the point is, what about all the consumer machines that last for years.  Many people purchase consumer machines and use them for five or eight or more years.  of course, many don't last that long but my point is that a statement of this type, implying that business computers are likely to last many years while consumer machines are not causes me to question whether the author is properly knowledgeable in this area.  I'm not saying she is or isn't.  I'm just saying that I have questions and while it may be more likely that some business machines will last longer, I am suspicious of the implication in this article.  And when you consider the extra cost of business machines, you may not be better off gambling on longer use. 
 
I want to empahsize that I am taking a skeptical view.  I don't have the technical knowledge to present an opinion that is in any way definitive but I consider the matter to be far from decided thus far in the discussion.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 
Well, then check out the following article which also reinforces my assertion that business computers use higher grade components than their consumer counterparts and thus tend to be more durable and reliable:
 
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
Popularity isn't related to accuracy.  Think of widespread beliefs that are now known to be wrong. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
I had heard that from several places, but I can’t exactly say where.  So, the idea seems to be wide spread.  Pam.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
I doubt that generalization is correct.  It may be that an inexpensive consumer machine uses cheaper materials, but once you get past budget machines, that may not be true.  I haven't seen any advice from reputable advisors stating or advocating purchasing a business machine for better materials.  I would not accept this generalization without doing research.
 
Gene
-----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
 
Also, a business grade computer is likely to be more robust and reliable than a consumer grade machine because it is generally built with higher grade components that are designed to withstand the rigors of more demanding operating conditions.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
Many manufacturers are still selling machines running Windows 7, but they are usually categorized as business grade machines.  I don't know if Dell is still selling consumer grade machines running Windows 7.  Although I believe they were still doing so as of last year.  However, from a purchasing point of view, the distinction is almost irrelevant.  The big difference is that a business grade machine will include the Professional edition of Windows 7.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 

I wasn’t aware that dell still sold windows7 computers. I might need to do some investigating.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

 

I can personally vouch for Computers for the Blind because I am very satisfied with the refurbished Dell desktop they sent me last year, which continues to function well for my purposes.  Another thing to consider is that it is probably easier to upgrade from XP to Windows 7 than from XP to Windows 10.  If you don’t feel comfortable buying a refurbished computer, you can still buy a new computer equipped with Windows 7, which will be supported until January 2020. Dell and other manufacturers  still sell them. 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:10 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

I would recommend against doing more than considering your opinion as tentative at this time.  While it may not be a good idea to buy a refurbished computer from an unknown source, I've heard good things about this organization. 

 

Of course, you are gambling but you are also gambling in replacing the hard drive on your current machine.  In general, heavily used computers are considered past their reliable lifetime once five years have passed since they were new.  Your machine is already older than that.  It may last many years longer or it may not but you are still gambling.

 

In addition, if you are going to buy a new computer or equivalent, manufacturer refurbished machines are a much better buy unless you find a good sale.  Dell, for example, sells manufacturer refurbished machines that are almost new and were returned for some reason, inspected, and brought up to factory specifications if necessary.  and many such machines are not returned because there is anything wrong with them.  The customer just didn't want the machine for some reason.  And manufacturer refurbished machines may actually be more likely to not have defects, because of the inspection they go through. 

 

Returning to the question of computers for the blind, if you get good reports about them, and the machine will meet your needs, is it better to gamble with 100 dollars, or spend perhaps between 350 or 400 dollars on a new machine?  I don't know if the computers from computers for the blind would meet your needs.  But I'm saying that your opinion appears to be an opinion not based on knowledge of such machines and rather a generalization which isn't necessarily valid.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sylvia

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 5:56 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

Not to be argumentative but I probably wouldn't buy a refurbished pc. You never know how long it will last and if I did buy a new machine, Dell lets you pay in  installments.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

How many times you are talking about those computers? Do all blind people have to get refurbished computers? One can spend their money and get a new one. Even the original poster thought about getting a new one!
You darken my day.

On 9/12/2016 3:37 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>
> Unless you have an extended warranty from Dell, they won't give you
> the time of day, and it will be up to you to decide whether to replace
> your failing hard drive on your own.  Instead of replacing the bad
> hard drive, you might want to consider acquiring a refurbished
> computer from the Texas-based Computers for the Blind organization
> which makes refurbished Windows 7 desktops and laptops available to
> blind individuals upon request for the nominal fee of $110 or $140,
> respectively.  Because these computers come with JAWS 17 demo and NVDA
> already installed, as well as a bunch of other blind-friendly programs
> like Windows Live Mail and Jarte word processor, getting up and
> running again will be much easier than buying a new computer and
> installing everything from scratch.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:53 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
>
> Hello, I have all of my data backed up on an external so this problem
> doesn't seem like a total disaster. This computer is about 6.5 years
> old so I might have to contact Dell to find out if the drive can be
> replaced at all. I'm not really looking forward to having to reinstall
> windows but if that's going to be my best option, I'm going to ask for
> help.
>
> On 9/11/16, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My immediate reaction is replace the hard drive ASAP so that you can
>> try to recover your data.  Now, if you're running XP, you may want to
>> use your failing HD as an excuse to get a new system. I don't know
>> the whole story so I can't say.
>>
>> Ann P.
>>
>> --
>> Ann K. Parsons
>> Portal Tutoring
>> ** New EMAIL:  akp@...
>> web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
>> Skype: Putertutor
>>
>> "All that is gold does not glitter,
>> Not all those who wander are lost."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>






Re: Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Pamela Dominguez
 

Well, I did hear that about the hard drives. Suddenly, I can't remember his
name, but it's a Chinese name. He had said that a long time ago on the
blindtech list. That they just slap different names on them. So, the rest
of the parts are probably like that, too. He may have even said that. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Pamela Dominguez <geodom@optonline.net> wrote:
I had heard that from several places, but I can’t exactly say where.
I don't want to be dispersing misinformation here, but here is what i've
heard. It may or may not be accurate.
I've heard that boards and such are basically all made in the same plants,
and just have different brand names slapped onto them. Kind of like shoes.
So generally speaking it doesn't matter what brand of board you get; it's
all basically the same. Unless you go out of your way to get something
really super high end, like one of those Sabertooth boards, or a server
quality board. Those things can run up over two thousand dollars.
As for hard drives, they're pretty much interchangeable, the only difference
being the interface. Sata 2 and 3 being the most common. There's also stuff
like esata, but most people won't be using that.
So, what this all boils down to is that I doubt whether you're going to
notice much difference whether you get a so-called business machine or not.
The only thing you're likely to get is a professional grade OS>


Re: Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Gene
 

I forgot to give the link in my last message. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Here is an article which appears more nuanced than the article I wrote about in my last message.  I am still inclined to save money, perhaps two or three hundred dollars, purchase a consumer grade machine, and gamble that I will come out as well or ahead.  but others may disagree and a discussion may be interesting.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

This article supports your assertion more but I remain skeptical that general advice to buy a business machine is necessarily a good generalization.  Even this article doesn't make such a generalization.  and I question the article's accuracy to an extent.  I want to emphasize that I am stating my opinion.  I am not a tech and those with considerably more technical knowledge may either support or disagree with me.  But the author says roughly this:
Business computers may be made with better components and are likely to last many years.  This isn't a quote but the point is, what about all the consumer machines that last for years.  Many people purchase consumer machines and use them for five or eight or more years.  of course, many don't last that long but my point is that a statement of this type, implying that business computers are likely to last many years while consumer machines are not causes me to question whether the author is properly knowledgeable in this area.  I'm not saying she is or isn't.  I'm just saying that I have questions and while it may be more likely that some business machines will last longer, I am suspicious of the implication in this article.  And when you consider the extra cost of business machines, you may not be better off gambling on longer use. 
 
I want to empahsize that I am taking a skeptical view.  I don't have the technical knowledge to present an opinion that is in any way definitive but I consider the matter to be far from decided thus far in the discussion.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 
Well, then check out the following article which also reinforces my assertion that business computers use higher grade components than their consumer counterparts and thus tend to be more durable and reliable:
 
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
Popularity isn't related to accuracy.  Think of widespread beliefs that are now known to be wrong. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
I had heard that from several places, but I can’t exactly say where.  So, the idea seems to be wide spread.  Pam.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
I doubt that generalization is correct.  It may be that an inexpensive consumer machine uses cheaper materials, but once you get past budget machines, that may not be true.  I haven't seen any advice from reputable advisors stating or advocating purchasing a business machine for better materials.  I would not accept this generalization without doing research.
 
Gene
-----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
 
Also, a business grade computer is likely to be more robust and reliable than a consumer grade machine because it is generally built with higher grade components that are designed to withstand the rigors of more demanding operating conditions.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
Many manufacturers are still selling machines running Windows 7, but they are usually categorized as business grade machines.  I don't know if Dell is still selling consumer grade machines running Windows 7.  Although I believe they were still doing so as of last year.  However, from a purchasing point of view, the distinction is almost irrelevant.  The big difference is that a business grade machine will include the Professional edition of Windows 7.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 

I wasn’t aware that dell still sold windows7 computers. I might need to do some investigating.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

 

I can personally vouch for Computers for the Blind because I am very satisfied with the refurbished Dell desktop they sent me last year, which continues to function well for my purposes.  Another thing to consider is that it is probably easier to upgrade from XP to Windows 7 than from XP to Windows 10.  If you don’t feel comfortable buying a refurbished computer, you can still buy a new computer equipped with Windows 7, which will be supported until January 2020. Dell and other manufacturers  still sell them. 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:10 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

I would recommend against doing more than considering your opinion as tentative at this time.  While it may not be a good idea to buy a refurbished computer from an unknown source, I've heard good things about this organization. 

 

Of course, you are gambling but you are also gambling in replacing the hard drive on your current machine.  In general, heavily used computers are considered past their reliable lifetime once five years have passed since they were new.  Your machine is already older than that.  It may last many years longer or it may not but you are still gambling.

 

In addition, if you are going to buy a new computer or equivalent, manufacturer refurbished machines are a much better buy unless you find a good sale.  Dell, for example, sells manufacturer refurbished machines that are almost new and were returned for some reason, inspected, and brought up to factory specifications if necessary.  and many such machines are not returned because there is anything wrong with them.  The customer just didn't want the machine for some reason.  And manufacturer refurbished machines may actually be more likely to not have defects, because of the inspection they go through. 

 

Returning to the question of computers for the blind, if you get good reports about them, and the machine will meet your needs, is it better to gamble with 100 dollars, or spend perhaps between 350 or 400 dollars on a new machine?  I don't know if the computers from computers for the blind would meet your needs.  But I'm saying that your opinion appears to be an opinion not based on knowledge of such machines and rather a generalization which isn't necessarily valid.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sylvia

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 5:56 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

Not to be argumentative but I probably wouldn't buy a refurbished pc. You never know how long it will last and if I did buy a new machine, Dell lets you pay in  installments.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

How many times you are talking about those computers? Do all blind people have to get refurbished computers? One can spend their money and get a new one. Even the original poster thought about getting a new one!
You darken my day.

On 9/12/2016 3:37 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>
> Unless you have an extended warranty from Dell, they won't give you
> the time of day, and it will be up to you to decide whether to replace
> your failing hard drive on your own.  Instead of replacing the bad
> hard drive, you might want to consider acquiring a refurbished
> computer from the Texas-based Computers for the Blind organization
> which makes refurbished Windows 7 desktops and laptops available to
> blind individuals upon request for the nominal fee of $110 or $140,
> respectively.  Because these computers come with JAWS 17 demo and NVDA
> already installed, as well as a bunch of other blind-friendly programs
> like Windows Live Mail and Jarte word processor, getting up and
> running again will be much easier than buying a new computer and
> installing everything from scratch.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:53 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
>
> Hello, I have all of my data backed up on an external so this problem
> doesn't seem like a total disaster. This computer is about 6.5 years
> old so I might have to contact Dell to find out if the drive can be
> replaced at all. I'm not really looking forward to having to reinstall
> windows but if that's going to be my best option, I'm going to ask for
> help.
>
> On 9/11/16, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My immediate reaction is replace the hard drive ASAP so that you can
>> try to recover your data.  Now, if you're running XP, you may want to
>> use your failing HD as an excuse to get a new system. I don't know
>> the whole story so I can't say.
>>
>> Ann P.
>>
>> --
>> Ann K. Parsons
>> Portal Tutoring
>> ** New EMAIL:  akp@...
>> web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
>> Skype: Putertutor
>>
>> "All that is gold does not glitter,
>> Not all those who wander are lost."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>






Re: Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Gene
 

Here is an article which appears more nuanced than the article I wrote about in my last message.  I am still inclined to save money, perhaps two or three hundred dollars, purchase a consumer grade machine, and gamble that I will come out as well or ahead.  but others may disagree and a discussion may be interesting.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

This article supports your assertion more but I remain skeptical that general advice to buy a business machine is necessarily a good generalization.  Even this article doesn't make such a generalization.  and I question the article's accuracy to an extent.  I want to emphasize that I am stating my opinion.  I am not a tech and those with considerably more technical knowledge may either support or disagree with me.  But the author says roughly this:
Business computers may be made with better components and are likely to last many years.  This isn't a quote but the point is, what about all the consumer machines that last for years.  Many people purchase consumer machines and use them for five or eight or more years.  of course, many don't last that long but my point is that a statement of this type, implying that business computers are likely to last many years while consumer machines are not causes me to question whether the author is properly knowledgeable in this area.  I'm not saying she is or isn't.  I'm just saying that I have questions and while it may be more likely that some business machines will last longer, I am suspicious of the implication in this article.  And when you consider the extra cost of business machines, you may not be better off gambling on longer use. 
 
I want to empahsize that I am taking a skeptical view.  I don't have the technical knowledge to present an opinion that is in any way definitive but I consider the matter to be far from decided thus far in the discussion.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 
Well, then check out the following article which also reinforces my assertion that business computers use higher grade components than their consumer counterparts and thus tend to be more durable and reliable:
 
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
Popularity isn't related to accuracy.  Think of widespread beliefs that are now known to be wrong. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
I had heard that from several places, but I can’t exactly say where.  So, the idea seems to be wide spread.  Pam.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
I doubt that generalization is correct.  It may be that an inexpensive consumer machine uses cheaper materials, but once you get past budget machines, that may not be true.  I haven't seen any advice from reputable advisors stating or advocating purchasing a business machine for better materials.  I would not accept this generalization without doing research.
 
Gene
-----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
 
Also, a business grade computer is likely to be more robust and reliable than a consumer grade machine because it is generally built with higher grade components that are designed to withstand the rigors of more demanding operating conditions.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
Many manufacturers are still selling machines running Windows 7, but they are usually categorized as business grade machines.  I don't know if Dell is still selling consumer grade machines running Windows 7.  Although I believe they were still doing so as of last year.  However, from a purchasing point of view, the distinction is almost irrelevant.  The big difference is that a business grade machine will include the Professional edition of Windows 7.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 

I wasn’t aware that dell still sold windows7 computers. I might need to do some investigating.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

 

I can personally vouch for Computers for the Blind because I am very satisfied with the refurbished Dell desktop they sent me last year, which continues to function well for my purposes.  Another thing to consider is that it is probably easier to upgrade from XP to Windows 7 than from XP to Windows 10.  If you don’t feel comfortable buying a refurbished computer, you can still buy a new computer equipped with Windows 7, which will be supported until January 2020. Dell and other manufacturers  still sell them. 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:10 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

I would recommend against doing more than considering your opinion as tentative at this time.  While it may not be a good idea to buy a refurbished computer from an unknown source, I've heard good things about this organization. 

 

Of course, you are gambling but you are also gambling in replacing the hard drive on your current machine.  In general, heavily used computers are considered past their reliable lifetime once five years have passed since they were new.  Your machine is already older than that.  It may last many years longer or it may not but you are still gambling.

 

In addition, if you are going to buy a new computer or equivalent, manufacturer refurbished machines are a much better buy unless you find a good sale.  Dell, for example, sells manufacturer refurbished machines that are almost new and were returned for some reason, inspected, and brought up to factory specifications if necessary.  and many such machines are not returned because there is anything wrong with them.  The customer just didn't want the machine for some reason.  And manufacturer refurbished machines may actually be more likely to not have defects, because of the inspection they go through. 

 

Returning to the question of computers for the blind, if you get good reports about them, and the machine will meet your needs, is it better to gamble with 100 dollars, or spend perhaps between 350 or 400 dollars on a new machine?  I don't know if the computers from computers for the blind would meet your needs.  But I'm saying that your opinion appears to be an opinion not based on knowledge of such machines and rather a generalization which isn't necessarily valid.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sylvia

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 5:56 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

Not to be argumentative but I probably wouldn't buy a refurbished pc. You never know how long it will last and if I did buy a new machine, Dell lets you pay in  installments.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

How many times you are talking about those computers? Do all blind people have to get refurbished computers? One can spend their money and get a new one. Even the original poster thought about getting a new one!
You darken my day.

On 9/12/2016 3:37 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>
> Unless you have an extended warranty from Dell, they won't give you
> the time of day, and it will be up to you to decide whether to replace
> your failing hard drive on your own.  Instead of replacing the bad
> hard drive, you might want to consider acquiring a refurbished
> computer from the Texas-based Computers for the Blind organization
> which makes refurbished Windows 7 desktops and laptops available to
> blind individuals upon request for the nominal fee of $110 or $140,
> respectively.  Because these computers come with JAWS 17 demo and NVDA
> already installed, as well as a bunch of other blind-friendly programs
> like Windows Live Mail and Jarte word processor, getting up and
> running again will be much easier than buying a new computer and
> installing everything from scratch.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:53 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
>
> Hello, I have all of my data backed up on an external so this problem
> doesn't seem like a total disaster. This computer is about 6.5 years
> old so I might have to contact Dell to find out if the drive can be
> replaced at all. I'm not really looking forward to having to reinstall
> windows but if that's going to be my best option, I'm going to ask for
> help.
>
> On 9/11/16, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My immediate reaction is replace the hard drive ASAP so that you can
>> try to recover your data.  Now, if you're running XP, you may want to
>> use your failing HD as an excuse to get a new system. I don't know
>> the whole story so I can't say.
>>
>> Ann P.
>>
>> --
>> Ann K. Parsons
>> Portal Tutoring
>> ** New EMAIL:  akp@...
>> web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
>> Skype: Putertutor
>>
>> "All that is gold does not glitter,
>> Not all those who wander are lost."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>






Re: Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Gene
 

This article supports your assertion more but I remain skeptical that general advice to buy a business machine is necessarily a good generalization.  Even this article doesn't make such a generalization.  and I question the article's accuracy to an extent.  I want to emphasize that I am stating my opinion.  I am not a tech and those with considerably more technical knowledge may either support or disagree with me.  But the author says roughly this:
Business computers may be made with better components and are likely to last many years.  This isn't a quote but the point is, what about all the consumer machines that last for years.  Many people purchase consumer machines and use them for five or eight or more years.  of course, many don't last that long but my point is that a statement of this type, implying that business computers are likely to last many years while consumer machines are not causes me to question whether the author is properly knowledgeable in this area.  I'm not saying she is or isn't.  I'm just saying that I have questions and while it may be more likely that some business machines will last longer, I am suspicious of the implication in this article.  And when you consider the extra cost of business machines, you may not be better off gambling on longer use. 
 
I want to empahsize that I am taking a skeptical view.  I don't have the technical knowledge to present an opinion that is in any way definitive but I consider the matter to be far from decided thus far in the discussion.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 
Well, then check out the following article which also reinforces my assertion that business computers use higher grade components than their consumer counterparts and thus tend to be more durable and reliable:
 
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
Popularity isn't related to accuracy.  Think of widespread beliefs that are now known to be wrong. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
I had heard that from several places, but I can’t exactly say where.  So, the idea seems to be wide spread.  Pam.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
I doubt that generalization is correct.  It may be that an inexpensive consumer machine uses cheaper materials, but once you get past budget machines, that may not be true.  I haven't seen any advice from reputable advisors stating or advocating purchasing a business machine for better materials.  I would not accept this generalization without doing research.
 
Gene
-----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
 
Also, a business grade computer is likely to be more robust and reliable than a consumer grade machine because it is generally built with higher grade components that are designed to withstand the rigors of more demanding operating conditions.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
Many manufacturers are still selling machines running Windows 7, but they are usually categorized as business grade machines.  I don't know if Dell is still selling consumer grade machines running Windows 7.  Although I believe they were still doing so as of last year.  However, from a purchasing point of view, the distinction is almost irrelevant.  The big difference is that a business grade machine will include the Professional edition of Windows 7.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 

I wasn’t aware that dell still sold windows7 computers. I might need to do some investigating.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

 

I can personally vouch for Computers for the Blind because I am very satisfied with the refurbished Dell desktop they sent me last year, which continues to function well for my purposes.  Another thing to consider is that it is probably easier to upgrade from XP to Windows 7 than from XP to Windows 10.  If you don’t feel comfortable buying a refurbished computer, you can still buy a new computer equipped with Windows 7, which will be supported until January 2020. Dell and other manufacturers  still sell them. 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:10 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

I would recommend against doing more than considering your opinion as tentative at this time.  While it may not be a good idea to buy a refurbished computer from an unknown source, I've heard good things about this organization. 

 

Of course, you are gambling but you are also gambling in replacing the hard drive on your current machine.  In general, heavily used computers are considered past their reliable lifetime once five years have passed since they were new.  Your machine is already older than that.  It may last many years longer or it may not but you are still gambling.

 

In addition, if you are going to buy a new computer or equivalent, manufacturer refurbished machines are a much better buy unless you find a good sale.  Dell, for example, sells manufacturer refurbished machines that are almost new and were returned for some reason, inspected, and brought up to factory specifications if necessary.  and many such machines are not returned because there is anything wrong with them.  The customer just didn't want the machine for some reason.  And manufacturer refurbished machines may actually be more likely to not have defects, because of the inspection they go through. 

 

Returning to the question of computers for the blind, if you get good reports about them, and the machine will meet your needs, is it better to gamble with 100 dollars, or spend perhaps between 350 or 400 dollars on a new machine?  I don't know if the computers from computers for the blind would meet your needs.  But I'm saying that your opinion appears to be an opinion not based on knowledge of such machines and rather a generalization which isn't necessarily valid.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sylvia

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 5:56 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

Not to be argumentative but I probably wouldn't buy a refurbished pc. You never know how long it will last and if I did buy a new machine, Dell lets you pay in  installments.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

How many times you are talking about those computers? Do all blind people have to get refurbished computers? One can spend their money and get a new one. Even the original poster thought about getting a new one!
You darken my day.

On 9/12/2016 3:37 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>
> Unless you have an extended warranty from Dell, they won't give you
> the time of day, and it will be up to you to decide whether to replace
> your failing hard drive on your own.  Instead of replacing the bad
> hard drive, you might want to consider acquiring a refurbished
> computer from the Texas-based Computers for the Blind organization
> which makes refurbished Windows 7 desktops and laptops available to
> blind individuals upon request for the nominal fee of $110 or $140,
> respectively.  Because these computers come with JAWS 17 demo and NVDA
> already installed, as well as a bunch of other blind-friendly programs
> like Windows Live Mail and Jarte word processor, getting up and
> running again will be much easier than buying a new computer and
> installing everything from scratch.
>
> Gerald
>
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> -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:53 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
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> Hello, I have all of my data backed up on an external so this problem
> doesn't seem like a total disaster. This computer is about 6.5 years
> old so I might have to contact Dell to find out if the drive can be
> replaced at all. I'm not really looking forward to having to reinstall
> windows but if that's going to be my best option, I'm going to ask for
> help.
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> On 9/11/16, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
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>> My immediate reaction is replace the hard drive ASAP so that you can
>> try to recover your data.  Now, if you're running XP, you may want to
>> use your failing HD as an excuse to get a new system. I don't know
>> the whole story so I can't say.
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>> Ann P.
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>> Ann K. Parsons
>> Portal Tutoring
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>> "All that is gold does not glitter,
>> Not all those who wander are lost."
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