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Re: Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Gerald Levy
 

 
Well, then check out the following article which also reinforces my assertion that business computers use higher grade components than their consumer counterparts and thus tend to be more durable and reliable:
 
 
Gerald
 
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
Popularity isn't related to accuracy.  Think of widespread beliefs that are now known to be wrong. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
I had heard that from several places, but I can’t exactly say where.  So, the idea seems to be wide spread.  Pam.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
I doubt that generalization is correct.  It may be that an inexpensive consumer machine uses cheaper materials, but once you get past budget machines, that may not be true.  I haven't seen any advice from reputable advisors stating or advocating purchasing a business machine for better materials.  I would not accept this generalization without doing research.
 
Gene
-----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
 
Also, a business grade computer is likely to be more robust and reliable than a consumer grade machine because it is generally built with higher grade components that are designed to withstand the rigors of more demanding operating conditions.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
Many manufacturers are still selling machines running Windows 7, but they are usually categorized as business grade machines.  I don't know if Dell is still selling consumer grade machines running Windows 7.  Although I believe they were still doing so as of last year.  However, from a purchasing point of view, the distinction is almost irrelevant.  The big difference is that a business grade machine will include the Professional edition of Windows 7.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 

I wasn’t aware that dell still sold windows7 computers. I might need to do some investigating.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

 

I can personally vouch for Computers for the Blind because I am very satisfied with the refurbished Dell desktop they sent me last year, which continues to function well for my purposes.  Another thing to consider is that it is probably easier to upgrade from XP to Windows 7 than from XP to Windows 10.  If you don’t feel comfortable buying a refurbished computer, you can still buy a new computer equipped with Windows 7, which will be supported until January 2020. Dell and other manufacturers  still sell them. 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:10 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

I would recommend against doing more than considering your opinion as tentative at this time.  While it may not be a good idea to buy a refurbished computer from an unknown source, I've heard good things about this organization. 

 

Of course, you are gambling but you are also gambling in replacing the hard drive on your current machine.  In general, heavily used computers are considered past their reliable lifetime once five years have passed since they were new.  Your machine is already older than that.  It may last many years longer or it may not but you are still gambling.

 

In addition, if you are going to buy a new computer or equivalent, manufacturer refurbished machines are a much better buy unless you find a good sale.  Dell, for example, sells manufacturer refurbished machines that are almost new and were returned for some reason, inspected, and brought up to factory specifications if necessary.  and many such machines are not returned because there is anything wrong with them.  The customer just didn't want the machine for some reason.  And manufacturer refurbished machines may actually be more likely to not have defects, because of the inspection they go through. 

 

Returning to the question of computers for the blind, if you get good reports about them, and the machine will meet your needs, is it better to gamble with 100 dollars, or spend perhaps between 350 or 400 dollars on a new machine?  I don't know if the computers from computers for the blind would meet your needs.  But I'm saying that your opinion appears to be an opinion not based on knowledge of such machines and rather a generalization which isn't necessarily valid.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sylvia

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 5:56 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

Not to be argumentative but I probably wouldn't buy a refurbished pc. You never know how long it will last and if I did buy a new machine, Dell lets you pay in  installments.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

How many times you are talking about those computers? Do all blind people have to get refurbished computers? One can spend their money and get a new one. Even the original poster thought about getting a new one!
You darken my day.

On 9/12/2016 3:37 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>
> Unless you have an extended warranty from Dell, they won't give you
> the time of day, and it will be up to you to decide whether to replace
> your failing hard drive on your own.  Instead of replacing the bad
> hard drive, you might want to consider acquiring a refurbished
> computer from the Texas-based Computers for the Blind organization
> which makes refurbished Windows 7 desktops and laptops available to
> blind individuals upon request for the nominal fee of $110 or $140,
> respectively.  Because these computers come with JAWS 17 demo and NVDA
> already installed, as well as a bunch of other blind-friendly programs
> like Windows Live Mail and Jarte word processor, getting up and
> running again will be much easier than buying a new computer and
> installing everything from scratch.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:53 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
>
> Hello, I have all of my data backed up on an external so this problem
> doesn't seem like a total disaster. This computer is about 6.5 years
> old so I might have to contact Dell to find out if the drive can be
> replaced at all. I'm not really looking forward to having to reinstall
> windows but if that's going to be my best option, I'm going to ask for
> help.
>
> On 9/11/16, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My immediate reaction is replace the hard drive ASAP so that you can
>> try to recover your data.  Now, if you're running XP, you may want to
>> use your failing HD as an excuse to get a new system. I don't know
>> the whole story so I can't say.
>>
>> Ann P.
>>
>> --
>> Ann K. Parsons
>> Portal Tutoring
>> ** New EMAIL:  akp@...
>> web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
>> Skype: Putertutor
>>
>> "All that is gold does not glitter,
>> Not all those who wander are lost."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Rob <captinlogic@...>
 

Pamela Dominguez <geodom@optonline.net> wrote:
I had heard that from several places, but I can’t exactly say where.
I don't want to be dispersing misinformation here, but here is what i've heard. It may or may not be accurate.
I've heard that boards and such are basically all made in the same plants, and just have different brand names slapped onto them. Kind of like shoes. So generally speaking it doesn't matter what brand of board you get; it's all basically the same. Unless you go out of your way to get something really super high end, like one of those Sabertooth boards, or a server quality board. Those things can run up over two thousand dollars.
As for hard drives, they're pretty much interchangeable, the only difference being the interface. Sata 2 and 3 being the most common. There's also stuff like esata, but most people won't be using that.
So, what this all boils down to is that I doubt whether you're going to notice much difference whether you get a so-called business machine or not. The only thing you're likely to get is a professional grade OS>
Re: Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Gene
 

Popularity isn't related to accuracy.  Think of widespread beliefs that are now known to be wrong. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

I had heard that from several places, but I can’t exactly say where.  So, the idea seems to be wide spread.  Pam.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
I doubt that generalization is correct.  It may be that an inexpensive consumer machine uses cheaper materials, but once you get past budget machines, that may not be true.  I haven't seen any advice from reputable advisors stating or advocating purchasing a business machine for better materials.  I would not accept this generalization without doing research.
 
Gene
-----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
 
Also, a business grade computer is likely to be more robust and reliable than a consumer grade machine because it is generally built with higher grade components that are designed to withstand the rigors of more demanding operating conditions.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
Many manufacturers are still selling machines running Windows 7, but they are usually categorized as business grade machines.  I don't know if Dell is still selling consumer grade machines running Windows 7.  Although I believe they were still doing so as of last year.  However, from a purchasing point of view, the distinction is almost irrelevant.  The big difference is that a business grade machine will include the Professional edition of Windows 7.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 

I wasn’t aware that dell still sold windows7 computers. I might need to do some investigating.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

 

I can personally vouch for Computers for the Blind because I am very satisfied with the refurbished Dell desktop they sent me last year, which continues to function well for my purposes.  Another thing to consider is that it is probably easier to upgrade from XP to Windows 7 than from XP to Windows 10.  If you don’t feel comfortable buying a refurbished computer, you can still buy a new computer equipped with Windows 7, which will be supported until January 2020. Dell and other manufacturers  still sell them. 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:10 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

I would recommend against doing more than considering your opinion as tentative at this time.  While it may not be a good idea to buy a refurbished computer from an unknown source, I've heard good things about this organization. 

 

Of course, you are gambling but you are also gambling in replacing the hard drive on your current machine.  In general, heavily used computers are considered past their reliable lifetime once five years have passed since they were new.  Your machine is already older than that.  It may last many years longer or it may not but you are still gambling.

 

In addition, if you are going to buy a new computer or equivalent, manufacturer refurbished machines are a much better buy unless you find a good sale.  Dell, for example, sells manufacturer refurbished machines that are almost new and were returned for some reason, inspected, and brought up to factory specifications if necessary.  and many such machines are not returned because there is anything wrong with them.  The customer just didn't want the machine for some reason.  And manufacturer refurbished machines may actually be more likely to not have defects, because of the inspection they go through. 

 

Returning to the question of computers for the blind, if you get good reports about them, and the machine will meet your needs, is it better to gamble with 100 dollars, or spend perhaps between 350 or 400 dollars on a new machine?  I don't know if the computers from computers for the blind would meet your needs.  But I'm saying that your opinion appears to be an opinion not based on knowledge of such machines and rather a generalization which isn't necessarily valid.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sylvia

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 5:56 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

Not to be argumentative but I probably wouldn't buy a refurbished pc. You never know how long it will last and if I did buy a new machine, Dell lets you pay in  installments.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

How many times you are talking about those computers? Do all blind people have to get refurbished computers? One can spend their money and get a new one. Even the original poster thought about getting a new one!
You darken my day.

On 9/12/2016 3:37 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>
> Unless you have an extended warranty from Dell, they won't give you
> the time of day, and it will be up to you to decide whether to replace
> your failing hard drive on your own.  Instead of replacing the bad
> hard drive, you might want to consider acquiring a refurbished
> computer from the Texas-based Computers for the Blind organization
> which makes refurbished Windows 7 desktops and laptops available to
> blind individuals upon request for the nominal fee of $110 or $140,
> respectively.  Because these computers come with JAWS 17 demo and NVDA
> already installed, as well as a bunch of other blind-friendly programs
> like Windows Live Mail and Jarte word processor, getting up and
> running again will be much easier than buying a new computer and
> installing everything from scratch.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:53 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
>
> Hello, I have all of my data backed up on an external so this problem
> doesn't seem like a total disaster. This computer is about 6.5 years
> old so I might have to contact Dell to find out if the drive can be
> replaced at all. I'm not really looking forward to having to reinstall
> windows but if that's going to be my best option, I'm going to ask for
> help.
>
> On 9/11/16, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My immediate reaction is replace the hard drive ASAP so that you can
>> try to recover your data.  Now, if you're running XP, you may want to
>> use your failing HD as an excuse to get a new system. I don't know
>> the whole story so I can't say.
>>
>> Ann P.
>>
>> --
>> Ann K. Parsons
>> Portal Tutoring
>> ** New EMAIL:  akp@...
>> web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
>> Skype: Putertutor
>>
>> "All that is gold does not glitter,
>> Not all those who wander are lost."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Pamela Dominguez
 

I had heard that from several places, but I can’t exactly say where.  So, the idea seems to be wide spread.  Pam.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
I doubt that generalization is correct.  It may be that an inexpensive consumer machine uses cheaper materials, but once you get past budget machines, that may not be true.  I haven't seen any advice from reputable advisors stating or advocating purchasing a business machine for better materials.  I would not accept this generalization without doing research.
 
Gene
-----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
 
Also, a business grade computer is likely to be more robust and reliable than a consumer grade machine because it is generally built with higher grade components that are designed to withstand the rigors of more demanding operating conditions.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
Many manufacturers are still selling machines running Windows 7, but they are usually categorized as business grade machines.  I don't know if Dell is still selling consumer grade machines running Windows 7.  Although I believe they were still doing so as of last year.  However, from a purchasing point of view, the distinction is almost irrelevant.  The big difference is that a business grade machine will include the Professional edition of Windows 7.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 

I wasn’t aware that dell still sold windows7 computers. I might need to do some investigating.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

 

I can personally vouch for Computers for the Blind because I am very satisfied with the refurbished Dell desktop they sent me last year, which continues to function well for my purposes.  Another thing to consider is that it is probably easier to upgrade from XP to Windows 7 than from XP to Windows 10.  If you don’t feel comfortable buying a refurbished computer, you can still buy a new computer equipped with Windows 7, which will be supported until January 2020. Dell and other manufacturers  still sell them. 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:10 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

I would recommend against doing more than considering your opinion as tentative at this time.  While it may not be a good idea to buy a refurbished computer from an unknown source, I've heard good things about this organization. 

 

Of course, you are gambling but you are also gambling in replacing the hard drive on your current machine.  In general, heavily used computers are considered past their reliable lifetime once five years have passed since they were new.  Your machine is already older than that.  It may last many years longer or it may not but you are still gambling.

 

In addition, if you are going to buy a new computer or equivalent, manufacturer refurbished machines are a much better buy unless you find a good sale.  Dell, for example, sells manufacturer refurbished machines that are almost new and were returned for some reason, inspected, and brought up to factory specifications if necessary.  and many such machines are not returned because there is anything wrong with them.  The customer just didn't want the machine for some reason.  And manufacturer refurbished machines may actually be more likely to not have defects, because of the inspection they go through. 

 

Returning to the question of computers for the blind, if you get good reports about them, and the machine will meet your needs, is it better to gamble with 100 dollars, or spend perhaps between 350 or 400 dollars on a new machine?  I don't know if the computers from computers for the blind would meet your needs.  But I'm saying that your opinion appears to be an opinion not based on knowledge of such machines and rather a generalization which isn't necessarily valid.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sylvia

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 5:56 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

Not to be argumentative but I probably wouldn't buy a refurbished pc. You never know how long it will last and if I did buy a new machine, Dell lets you pay in  installments.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

How many times you are talking about those computers? Do all blind people have to get refurbished computers? One can spend their money and get a new one. Even the original poster thought about getting a new one!
You darken my day.

On 9/12/2016 3:37 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>
> Unless you have an extended warranty from Dell, they won't give you
> the time of day, and it will be up to you to decide whether to replace
> your failing hard drive on your own.  Instead of replacing the bad
> hard drive, you might want to consider acquiring a refurbished
> computer from the Texas-based Computers for the Blind organization
> which makes refurbished Windows 7 desktops and laptops available to
> blind individuals upon request for the nominal fee of $110 or $140,
> respectively.  Because these computers come with JAWS 17 demo and NVDA
> already installed, as well as a bunch of other blind-friendly programs
> like Windows Live Mail and Jarte word processor, getting up and
> running again will be much easier than buying a new computer and
> installing everything from scratch.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:53 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
>
> Hello, I have all of my data backed up on an external so this problem
> doesn't seem like a total disaster. This computer is about 6.5 years
> old so I might have to contact Dell to find out if the drive can be
> replaced at all. I'm not really looking forward to having to reinstall
> windows but if that's going to be my best option, I'm going to ask for
> help.
>
> On 9/11/16, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My immediate reaction is replace the hard drive ASAP so that you can
>> try to recover your data.  Now, if you're running XP, you may want to
>> use your failing HD as an excuse to get a new system. I don't know
>> the whole story so I can't say.
>>
>> Ann P.
>>
>> --
>> Ann K. Parsons
>> Portal Tutoring
>> ** New EMAIL:  akp@...
>> web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
>> Skype: Putertutor
>>
>> "All that is gold does not glitter,
>> Not all those who wander are lost."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Gene
 

the article doesn't make categorical statements of the kind you are asserting.  The first part of the article gives six reasons to consider a business machine and the second part discusses four reasons for considering a consumer machine. 
 
Also, keep in mind that this article was written in 2012.  What has changed in four years?  You can't assume that some of the advantages of business machines haven't been incorporated into many consumer machines.
 
Third, this article was entirely about laptops.  you didn't limit your comments to laptops.  You commented on machines in general.  Since this article is only and completely about laptops, that provides no evidence for making such statements about desktops. 
 
In short, some of the information in this article may still apply and some may apply much less with the passage of time.  But you haven't supported your generalization.  You have given possible support in certain instances.  And even the article says the following which supports my questions about the passage of time.
"Consumer laptops are being built better and better every year,..."
 
And, as I said, the article was written in 2012, which gives four more years for consumer laptops' quality to continue to improve.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 
See the following article from PC World which claims that business computers tend to be more durable, use better materials  and are built to higher quality standards than consumer computers:
 
 
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
I doubt that generalization is correct.  It may be that an inexpensive consumer machine uses cheaper materials, but once you get past budget machines, that may not be true.  I haven't seen any advice from reputable advisors stating or advocating purchasing a business machine for better materials.  I would not accept this generalization without doing research.
 
Gene
-----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
 
Also, a business grade computer is likely to be more robust and reliable than a consumer grade machine because it is generally built with higher grade components that are designed to withstand the rigors of more demanding operating conditions.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
Many manufacturers are still selling machines running Windows 7, but they are usually categorized as business grade machines.  I don't know if Dell is still selling consumer grade machines running Windows 7.  Although I believe they were still doing so as of last year.  However, from a purchasing point of view, the distinction is almost irrelevant.  The big difference is that a business grade machine will include the Professional edition of Windows 7.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 

I wasn’t aware that dell still sold windows7 computers. I might need to do some investigating.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

 

I can personally vouch for Computers for the Blind because I am very satisfied with the refurbished Dell desktop they sent me last year, which continues to function well for my purposes.  Another thing to consider is that it is probably easier to upgrade from XP to Windows 7 than from XP to Windows 10.  If you don’t feel comfortable buying a refurbished computer, you can still buy a new computer equipped with Windows 7, which will be supported until January 2020. Dell and other manufacturers  still sell them. 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:10 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

I would recommend against doing more than considering your opinion as tentative at this time.  While it may not be a good idea to buy a refurbished computer from an unknown source, I've heard good things about this organization. 

 

Of course, you are gambling but you are also gambling in replacing the hard drive on your current machine.  In general, heavily used computers are considered past their reliable lifetime once five years have passed since they were new.  Your machine is already older than that.  It may last many years longer or it may not but you are still gambling.

 

In addition, if you are going to buy a new computer or equivalent, manufacturer refurbished machines are a much better buy unless you find a good sale.  Dell, for example, sells manufacturer refurbished machines that are almost new and were returned for some reason, inspected, and brought up to factory specifications if necessary.  and many such machines are not returned because there is anything wrong with them.  The customer just didn't want the machine for some reason.  And manufacturer refurbished machines may actually be more likely to not have defects, because of the inspection they go through. 

 

Returning to the question of computers for the blind, if you get good reports about them, and the machine will meet your needs, is it better to gamble with 100 dollars, or spend perhaps between 350 or 400 dollars on a new machine?  I don't know if the computers from computers for the blind would meet your needs.  But I'm saying that your opinion appears to be an opinion not based on knowledge of such machines and rather a generalization which isn't necessarily valid.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sylvia

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 5:56 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

Not to be argumentative but I probably wouldn't buy a refurbished pc. You never know how long it will last and if I did buy a new machine, Dell lets you pay in  installments.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

How many times you are talking about those computers? Do all blind people have to get refurbished computers? One can spend their money and get a new one. Even the original poster thought about getting a new one!
You darken my day.

On 9/12/2016 3:37 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>
> Unless you have an extended warranty from Dell, they won't give you
> the time of day, and it will be up to you to decide whether to replace
> your failing hard drive on your own.  Instead of replacing the bad
> hard drive, you might want to consider acquiring a refurbished
> computer from the Texas-based Computers for the Blind organization
> which makes refurbished Windows 7 desktops and laptops available to
> blind individuals upon request for the nominal fee of $110 or $140,
> respectively.  Because these computers come with JAWS 17 demo and NVDA
> already installed, as well as a bunch of other blind-friendly programs
> like Windows Live Mail and Jarte word processor, getting up and
> running again will be much easier than buying a new computer and
> installing everything from scratch.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:53 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
>
> Hello, I have all of my data backed up on an external so this problem
> doesn't seem like a total disaster. This computer is about 6.5 years
> old so I might have to contact Dell to find out if the drive can be
> replaced at all. I'm not really looking forward to having to reinstall
> windows but if that's going to be my best option, I'm going to ask for
> help.
>
> On 9/11/16, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My immediate reaction is replace the hard drive ASAP so that you can
>> try to recover your data.  Now, if you're running XP, you may want to
>> use your failing HD as an excuse to get a new system. I don't know
>> the whole story so I can't say.
>>
>> Ann P.
>>
>> --
>> Ann K. Parsons
>> Portal Tutoring
>> ** New EMAIL:  akp@...
>> web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
>> Skype: Putertutor
>>
>> "All that is gold does not glitter,
>> Not all those who wander are lost."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Carlos
 


No, the article specifically discusses business laptops, not business machines in general.  It does not discuss desktops at all.  And even in the case of laptops, it mostly discusses the high-end materials used in the construction of the case, not the quality of the internal parts.  And you will certainly pay a premium for such laptops which is supported by the article.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 
See the following article from PC World which claims that business computers tend to be more durable, use better materials  and are built to higher quality standards than consumer computers:
 
 
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
I doubt that generalization is correct.  It may be that an inexpensive consumer machine uses cheaper materials, but once you get past budget machines, that may not be true.  I haven't seen any advice from reputable advisors stating or advocating purchasing a business machine for better materials.  I would not accept this generalization without doing research.
 
Gene
-----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
 
Also, a business grade computer is likely to be more robust and reliable than a consumer grade machine because it is generally built with higher grade components that are designed to withstand the rigors of more demanding operating conditions.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
Many manufacturers are still selling machines running Windows 7, but they are usually categorized as business grade machines.  I don't know if Dell is still selling consumer grade machines running Windows 7.  Although I believe they were still doing so as of last year.  However, from a purchasing point of view, the distinction is almost irrelevant.  The big difference is that a business grade machine will include the Professional edition of Windows 7.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 

I wasn’t aware that dell still sold windows7 computers. I might need to do some investigating.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

 

I can personally vouch for Computers for the Blind because I am very satisfied with the refurbished Dell desktop they sent me last year, which continues to function well for my purposes.  Another thing to consider is that it is probably easier to upgrade from XP to Windows 7 than from XP to Windows 10.  If you don’t feel comfortable buying a refurbished computer, you can still buy a new computer equipped with Windows 7, which will be supported until January 2020. Dell and other manufacturers  still sell them. 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:10 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

I would recommend against doing more than considering your opinion as tentative at this time.  While it may not be a good idea to buy a refurbished computer from an unknown source, I've heard good things about this organization. 

 

Of course, you are gambling but you are also gambling in replacing the hard drive on your current machine.  In general, heavily used computers are considered past their reliable lifetime once five years have passed since they were new.  Your machine is already older than that.  It may last many years longer or it may not but you are still gambling.

 

In addition, if you are going to buy a new computer or equivalent, manufacturer refurbished machines are a much better buy unless you find a good sale.  Dell, for example, sells manufacturer refurbished machines that are almost new and were returned for some reason, inspected, and brought up to factory specifications if necessary.  and many such machines are not returned because there is anything wrong with them.  The customer just didn't want the machine for some reason.  And manufacturer refurbished machines may actually be more likely to not have defects, because of the inspection they go through. 

 

Returning to the question of computers for the blind, if you get good reports about them, and the machine will meet your needs, is it better to gamble with 100 dollars, or spend perhaps between 350 or 400 dollars on a new machine?  I don't know if the computers from computers for the blind would meet your needs.  But I'm saying that your opinion appears to be an opinion not based on knowledge of such machines and rather a generalization which isn't necessarily valid.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sylvia

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 5:56 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

Not to be argumentative but I probably wouldn't buy a refurbished pc. You never know how long it will last and if I did buy a new machine, Dell lets you pay in  installments.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

How many times you are talking about those computers? Do all blind people have to get refurbished computers? One can spend their money and get a new one. Even the original poster thought about getting a new one!
You darken my day.

On 9/12/2016 3:37 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>
> Unless you have an extended warranty from Dell, they won't give you
> the time of day, and it will be up to you to decide whether to replace
> your failing hard drive on your own.  Instead of replacing the bad
> hard drive, you might want to consider acquiring a refurbished
> computer from the Texas-based Computers for the Blind organization
> which makes refurbished Windows 7 desktops and laptops available to
> blind individuals upon request for the nominal fee of $110 or $140,
> respectively.  Because these computers come with JAWS 17 demo and NVDA
> already installed, as well as a bunch of other blind-friendly programs
> like Windows Live Mail and Jarte word processor, getting up and
> running again will be much easier than buying a new computer and
> installing everything from scratch.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:53 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
>
> Hello, I have all of my data backed up on an external so this problem
> doesn't seem like a total disaster. This computer is about 6.5 years
> old so I might have to contact Dell to find out if the drive can be
> replaced at all. I'm not really looking forward to having to reinstall
> windows but if that's going to be my best option, I'm going to ask for
> help.
>
> On 9/11/16, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My immediate reaction is replace the hard drive ASAP so that you can
>> try to recover your data.  Now, if you're running XP, you may want to
>> use your failing HD as an excuse to get a new system. I don't know
>> the whole story so I can't say.
>>
>> Ann P.
>>
>> --
>> Ann K. Parsons
>> Portal Tutoring
>> ** New EMAIL:  akp@...
>> web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
>> Skype: Putertutor
>>
>> "All that is gold does not glitter,
>> Not all those who wander are lost."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Carlos
 

Most PC makers do not manufacture their own drives. The default drive in my Dell XPS 8700 was a generic Western Digital Blue 1TB which I replaced with a solid state model. I suppose there may be some rare exceptions, but every name brand machine I have ever dealt with was capable of having it's primary drive replaced by a different model/capacity. It is common for consumers or technicians to replace the system drive on name brand machines. This would not be possible if there were any truth to these claims.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom@optonline.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive


It sounds like that dell guy doesn't know what he's talking about. I had to have a hard drive replaced in my Dell when it was still under waranty, and neither drive was a Dell. As a matter of fact, they sent me the drive in the mail. So I called and said I needed somebody to come and swap out the drives and transfer my stuff. There was a second drive in my computer that George's brother had bought me, and I had the original dell guy install. This guy who came didn't even know which drive he was replacing, and he almost took out that second drive instead of the c drive. All three drives, the original drive that was in the computer, the replacement drive, and the drive that was the second drive, were all different brands of drives. But the guy didn't even have any kind of a sheet that told him what brand drive to look for, and which drive it was, so I had to catch him before he messed things up. My point it, they use all different brands of parts in the computers: whatever they get. The guy was telling me they had a lot of bad drives because of the sunami that had happened in Japan, so they had trouble getting good stuff. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:37 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive


Not necessarily. My understanding is that on some computers you cannot
restore a backup image to a new local hard drive unless it is essentially
identical to the old drive it is replacing. Four years ago, the hard drive
on my previous Dell XP desktop failed but because it was still covered by an
extended warranty,a Dell technician visited my home and replaced it free of
charge with essentially the same unit, and I was able to restore all my
programs and files with the help of my techie friend from the image backup I
had created using Paragon Drive Backup just before the old drive died
forever. I asked the Dell technician whether I would have been able to
restore my programs from the image backup if I had installed a different
SADA hard drive instead of the Dell unit he had installed, and he replied
that this would probably not have been possible.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Yes, cloning or using an image from the old drive will restore everything.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sylvia" <sylvia0647@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive


Carlos, if I image from the old drive, will I be able to transfer all of my
programs over without having to reinstall them from scratch?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Not everyone is technically comfortable enough to replace a hard drive. I
suspect that is probably true of the majority of list members. Besides,
it's not just a matter of replacing the drive. You also have to reinstall
Windows or clone/image from the old drive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io" <gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive


I'd try replacing the HDD on my own. Every tech could do it easily. If
it is a computer from the last 7 years then you can simply go with a
SATA hard drive.
Let us know what capacity you need and we'll try to find a good deal.
I believe contacting Dell should not be a good idea because your
computer is less likely in warranty, and Dell may either refuse and/or
over charge you for such replacement.

On 9/11/2016 4:53 PM, Sylvia wrote:
Hello, I have all of my data backed up on an external so this problem
doesn't seem like a total disaster. This computer is about 6.5 years
old so I might have to contact Dell to find out if the drive can be
replaced at all. I'm not really looking forward to having to
reinstall windows but if that's going to be my best option, I'm going
to ask for help.

On 9/11/16, Ann Parsons <akp@sero.email> wrote:
Hi all,

My immediate reaction is replace the hard drive ASAP so that you can
try to recover your data. Now, if you're running XP, you may want
to use your failing HD as an excuse to get a new system. I don't
know the whole story so I can't say.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
** New EMAIL: akp@sero.email
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."
Re: Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Gerald Levy
 

 
See the following article from PC World which claims that business computers tend to be more durable, use better materials  and are built to higher quality standards than consumer computers:
 
 
 
Gerald
 
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
I doubt that generalization is correct.  It may be that an inexpensive consumer machine uses cheaper materials, but once you get past budget machines, that may not be true.  I haven't seen any advice from reputable advisors stating or advocating purchasing a business machine for better materials.  I would not accept this generalization without doing research.
 
Gene
-----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
 
Also, a business grade computer is likely to be more robust and reliable than a consumer grade machine because it is generally built with higher grade components that are designed to withstand the rigors of more demanding operating conditions.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 
Many manufacturers are still selling machines running Windows 7, but they are usually categorized as business grade machines.  I don't know if Dell is still selling consumer grade machines running Windows 7.  Although I believe they were still doing so as of last year.  However, from a purchasing point of view, the distinction is almost irrelevant.  The big difference is that a business grade machine will include the Professional edition of Windows 7.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
 

I wasn’t aware that dell still sold windows7 computers. I might need to do some investigating.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

 

I can personally vouch for Computers for the Blind because I am very satisfied with the refurbished Dell desktop they sent me last year, which continues to function well for my purposes.  Another thing to consider is that it is probably easier to upgrade from XP to Windows 7 than from XP to Windows 10.  If you don’t feel comfortable buying a refurbished computer, you can still buy a new computer equipped with Windows 7, which will be supported until January 2020. Dell and other manufacturers  still sell them. 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:10 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

I would recommend against doing more than considering your opinion as tentative at this time.  While it may not be a good idea to buy a refurbished computer from an unknown source, I've heard good things about this organization. 

 

Of course, you are gambling but you are also gambling in replacing the hard drive on your current machine.  In general, heavily used computers are considered past their reliable lifetime once five years have passed since they were new.  Your machine is already older than that.  It may last many years longer or it may not but you are still gambling.

 

In addition, if you are going to buy a new computer or equivalent, manufacturer refurbished machines are a much better buy unless you find a good sale.  Dell, for example, sells manufacturer refurbished machines that are almost new and were returned for some reason, inspected, and brought up to factory specifications if necessary.  and many such machines are not returned because there is anything wrong with them.  The customer just didn't want the machine for some reason.  And manufacturer refurbished machines may actually be more likely to not have defects, because of the inspection they go through. 

 

Returning to the question of computers for the blind, if you get good reports about them, and the machine will meet your needs, is it better to gamble with 100 dollars, or spend perhaps between 350 or 400 dollars on a new machine?  I don't know if the computers from computers for the blind would meet your needs.  But I'm saying that your opinion appears to be an opinion not based on knowledge of such machines and rather a generalization which isn't necessarily valid.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sylvia

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 5:56 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

 

Not to be argumentative but I probably wouldn't buy a refurbished pc. You never know how long it will last and if I did buy a new machine, Dell lets you pay in  installments.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

How many times you are talking about those computers? Do all blind people have to get refurbished computers? One can spend their money and get a new one. Even the original poster thought about getting a new one!
You darken my day.

On 9/12/2016 3:37 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>
> Unless you have an extended warranty from Dell, they won't give you
> the time of day, and it will be up to you to decide whether to replace
> your failing hard drive on your own.  Instead of replacing the bad
> hard drive, you might want to consider acquiring a refurbished
> computer from the Texas-based Computers for the Blind organization
> which makes refurbished Windows 7 desktops and laptops available to
> blind individuals upon request for the nominal fee of $110 or $140,
> respectively.  Because these computers come with JAWS 17 demo and NVDA
> already installed, as well as a bunch of other blind-friendly programs
> like Windows Live Mail and Jarte word processor, getting up and
> running again will be much easier than buying a new computer and
> installing everything from scratch.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:53 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive
>
> Hello, I have all of my data backed up on an external so this problem
> doesn't seem like a total disaster. This computer is about 6.5 years
> old so I might have to contact Dell to find out if the drive can be
> replaced at all. I'm not really looking forward to having to reinstall
> windows but if that's going to be my best option, I'm going to ask for
> help.
>
> On 9/11/16, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My immediate reaction is replace the hard drive ASAP so that you can
>> try to recover your data.  Now, if you're running XP, you may want to
>> use your failing HD as an excuse to get a new system. I don't know
>> the whole story so I can't say.
>>
>> Ann P.
>>
>> --
>> Ann K. Parsons
>> Portal Tutoring
>> ** New EMAIL:  akp@...
>> web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
>> Skype: Putertutor
>>
>> "All that is gold does not glitter,
>> Not all those who wander are lost."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Pamela Dominguez
 

I bought a refurbished thing once, and it has been nothing but trouble. It was a refurbished braille lite forty, and, from what one person says, he thinks it has a bad chip in it. I talked to Richard Oehm about it, and he said he thinks he knows what it is; he said something about certain connections. But the point is, I have always had a feeling about buying refurbished things, and this time, I put my feeling aside, and wished I hadn't. I didn't have the price for a new one. The many times it had been sent back to Freedom Scientific, the only thing they did was clean it. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sylvia
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Not to be argumentative but I probably wouldn't buy a refurbished pc. You never know how long it will last and if I did buy a new machine, Dell lets you pay in installments.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

How many times you are talking about those computers? Do all blind people have to get refurbished computers? One can spend their money and get a new one. Even the original poster thought about getting a new one!
You darken my day.

On 9/12/2016 3:37 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

Unless you have an extended warranty from Dell, they won't give you
the time of day, and it will be up to you to decide whether to replace
your failing hard drive on your own. Instead of replacing the bad
hard drive, you might want to consider acquiring a refurbished
computer from the Texas-based Computers for the Blind organization
which makes refurbished Windows 7 desktops and laptops available to
blind individuals upon request for the nominal fee of $110 or $140,
respectively. Because these computers come with JAWS 17 demo and NVDA
already installed, as well as a bunch of other blind-friendly programs
like Windows Live Mail and Jarte word processor, getting up and
running again will be much easier than buying a new computer and
installing everything from scratch.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Sylvia
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Hello, I have all of my data backed up on an external so this problem
doesn't seem like a total disaster. This computer is about 6.5 years
old so I might have to contact Dell to find out if the drive can be
replaced at all. I'm not really looking forward to having to reinstall
windows but if that's going to be my best option, I'm going to ask for
help.

On 9/11/16, Ann Parsons <akp@sero.email> wrote:
Hi all,

My immediate reaction is replace the hard drive ASAP so that you can
try to recover your data. Now, if you're running XP, you may want to
use your failing HD as an excuse to get a new system. I don't know
the whole story so I can't say.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
** New EMAIL: akp@sero.email
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."
techtalk URL?

Billy Inglis
 

hi guys, Can someone please tell me the podcast url address for RNIB techtalk show ?Billy
Re: Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Pamela Dominguez
 

It sounds like that dell guy doesn't know what he's talking about. I had to have a hard drive replaced in my Dell when it was still under waranty, and neither drive was a Dell. As a matter of fact, they sent me the drive in the mail. So I called and said I needed somebody to come and swap out the drives and transfer my stuff. There was a second drive in my computer that George's brother had bought me, and I had the original dell guy install. This guy who came didn't even know which drive he was replacing, and he almost took out that second drive instead of the c drive. All three drives, the original drive that was in the computer, the replacement drive, and the drive that was the second drive, were all different brands of drives. But the guy didn't even have any kind of a sheet that told him what brand drive to look for, and which drive it was, so I had to catch him before he messed things up. My point it, they use all different brands of parts in the computers: whatever they get. The guy was telling me they had a lot of bad drives because of the sunami that had happened in Japan, so they had trouble getting good stuff. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:37 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive


Not necessarily. My understanding is that on some computers you cannot
restore a backup image to a new local hard drive unless it is essentially
identical to the old drive it is replacing. Four years ago, the hard drive
on my previous Dell XP desktop failed but because it was still covered by an
extended warranty,a Dell technician visited my home and replaced it free of
charge with essentially the same unit, and I was able to restore all my
programs and files with the help of my techie friend from the image backup I
had created using Paragon Drive Backup just before the old drive died
forever. I asked the Dell technician whether I would have been able to
restore my programs from the image backup if I had installed a different
SADA hard drive instead of the Dell unit he had installed, and he replied
that this would probably not have been possible.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Yes, cloning or using an image from the old drive will restore everything.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sylvia" <sylvia0647@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive


Carlos, if I image from the old drive, will I be able to transfer all of my
programs over without having to reinstall them from scratch?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive

Not everyone is technically comfortable enough to replace a hard drive. I
suspect that is probably true of the majority of list members. Besides,
it's not just a matter of replacing the drive. You also have to reinstall
Windows or clone/image from the old drive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io" <gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed: failing hard drive


I'd try replacing the HDD on my own. Every tech could do it easily. If
it is a computer from the last 7 years then you can simply go with a
SATA hard drive.
Let us know what capacity you need and we'll try to find a good deal.
I believe contacting Dell should not be a good idea because your
computer is less likely in warranty, and Dell may either refuse and/or
over charge you for such replacement.

On 9/11/2016 4:53 PM, Sylvia wrote:
Hello, I have all of my data backed up on an external so this problem
doesn't seem like a total disaster. This computer is about 6.5 years
old so I might have to contact Dell to find out if the drive can be
replaced at all. I'm not really looking forward to having to
reinstall windows but if that's going to be my best option, I'm going
to ask for help.

On 9/11/16, Ann Parsons <akp@sero.email> wrote:
Hi all,

My immediate reaction is replace the hard drive ASAP so that you can
try to recover your data. Now, if you're running XP, you may want
to use your failing HD as an excuse to get a new system. I don't
know the whole story so I can't say.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
** New EMAIL: akp@sero.email
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."
Re: carlos mpeg program

Carlos
 

The Active@ Disk Image interface is more accessible.  Aside from that, their capabilities are similar.  Although Macrium Reflect is updated much more frequently.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 
How does Active@ Disk Image Lite differ from Macrium Reflect? 
 
Gerald
 
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program
 
Ah I see.  You said "mpeg program" in the subject so I wasn't sure.  There are several imaging applications, but if you are referring to the free one I have been discussing with Sylvia, that would be Active@ Disk Image Lite and you can download it here from it's homepage.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program
 

The program you use to back up or make an image.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 

Hi James,

 

I'm not sure to which program you are referring.  Could you elaborate?

----- Original Message -----

From: James Hooper

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:04 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 

Can you send me a copy of this carlos thanks.
Re: carlos mpeg program

Gerald Levy
 

 
How does Active@ Disk Image Lite differ from Macrium Reflect? 
 
Gerald
 
 
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program
 
Ah I see.  You said "mpeg program" in the subject so I wasn't sure.  There are several imaging applications, but if you are referring to the free one I have been discussing with Sylvia, that would be Active@ Disk Image Lite and you can download it here from it's homepage.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program
 

The program you use to back up or make an image.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 

Hi James,

 

I'm not sure to which program you are referring.  Could you elaborate?

----- Original Message -----

From: James Hooper

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:04 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 

Can you send me a copy of this carlos thanks.
Re: Labeling buttons with JAWS

Kimsan
 

LMAO!

I see what you mean.

I just exited stage left from where I was in outlook, and I see it now.

I’ll shut up and show myself the door now haha.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 10:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

Most Email clients have a partially HTML based interface so depending on where you are in the program when you activate Insert F2, the

"Prompt Create"

option might not be displayed.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:57 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

I should’ve mentioned, when I pulled up insert f2, I was in outlook and didn’t see that option.

 

Just wanted to help and clairify for the original user.

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:50 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

They are similar options.  In a browser, you will see an item named

"Custom Label"

for labeling HTML controls.  In an application, you would use

"Prompt Create"

If your browser has focus, you will not see the

"Prompt Create"

option in the list since it is used for labeling controls in an application.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:43 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

Hmm, I didn’t see prompt create after pressing insert f2.  Custom labels will do the trick, and lable links and buttons.

I would focus on the button, CTRL insert tab, then fill out the information and click ok/save or whatever the button is. I’m thinking it will be an ok button.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 1:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

While the button/control you want to label has focus, press Insert+F2 and select

"Prompt Create"

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 3:54 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

Can anyone give me step by step directions on how to label buttons in programs using JAWS? I have to admit that I did try googling for this information, but mainly came up with instructions for labeling text links.

 

Any ideas or directions?

 

Thanks much,

 

TerriLynne
Re: Labeling buttons with JAWS

Carlos
 

Most Email clients have a partially HTML based interface so depending on where you are in the program when you activate Insert F2, the
"Prompt Create"
option might not be displayed.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

I should’ve mentioned, when I pulled up insert f2, I was in outlook and didn’t see that option.

 

Just wanted to help and clairify for the original user.

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:50 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

They are similar options.  In a browser, you will see an item named

"Custom Label"

for labeling HTML controls.  In an application, you would use

"Prompt Create"

If your browser has focus, you will not see the

"Prompt Create"

option in the list since it is used for labeling controls in an application.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:43 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

Hmm, I didn’t see prompt create after pressing insert f2.  Custom labels will do the trick, and lable links and buttons.

I would focus on the button, CTRL insert tab, then fill out the information and click ok/save or whatever the button is. I’m thinking it will be an ok button.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 1:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

While the button/control you want to label has focus, press Insert+F2 and select

"Prompt Create"

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 3:54 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

Can anyone give me step by step directions on how to label buttons in programs using JAWS? I have to admit that I did try googling for this information, but mainly came up with instructions for labeling text links.

 

Any ideas or directions?

 

Thanks much,

 

TerriLynne
Re: Labeling buttons with JAWS

Kimsan
 

I should’ve mentioned, when I pulled up insert f2, I was in outlook and didn’t see that option.

 

Just wanted to help and clairify for the original user.

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:50 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

They are similar options.  In a browser, you will see an item named

"Custom Label"

for labeling HTML controls.  In an application, you would use

"Prompt Create"

If your browser has focus, you will not see the

"Prompt Create"

option in the list since it is used for labeling controls in an application.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kimsan

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:43 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

Hmm, I didn’t see prompt create after pressing insert f2.  Custom labels will do the trick, and lable links and buttons.

I would focus on the button, CTRL insert tab, then fill out the information and click ok/save or whatever the button is. I’m thinking it will be an ok button.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 1:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

While the button/control you want to label has focus, press Insert+F2 and select

"Prompt Create"

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 3:54 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

Can anyone give me step by step directions on how to label buttons in programs using JAWS? I have to admit that I did try googling for this information, but mainly came up with instructions for labeling text links.

 

Any ideas or directions?

 

Thanks much,

 

TerriLynne
Re: Labeling buttons with JAWS

Carlos
 

They are similar options.  In a browser, you will see an item named
"Custom Label"
for labeling HTML controls.  In an application, you would use
"Prompt Create"
If your browser has focus, you will not see the
"Prompt Create"
option in the list since it is used for labeling controls in an application.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

Hmm, I didn’t see prompt create after pressing insert f2.  Custom labels will do the trick, and lable links and buttons.

I would focus on the button, CTRL insert tab, then fill out the information and click ok/save or whatever the button is. I’m thinking it will be an ok button.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 1:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

While the button/control you want to label has focus, press Insert+F2 and select

"Prompt Create"

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 3:54 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

Can anyone give me step by step directions on how to label buttons in programs using JAWS? I have to admit that I did try googling for this information, but mainly came up with instructions for labeling text links.

 

Any ideas or directions?

 

Thanks much,

 

TerriLynne
Re: carlos mpeg program

Carlos
 

I see.  You are referring to the talking WinPE images.  I thought that might be the case, but I prefer not to assume.  WinPE is a bootable environment which can be used for several things like restoring images, initiating a Windows installation with speech, and other trouble shooting/recovery operations if you know what you are doing.  You can download the WinPE images and the associated documentation here.
Pleas make sure to read through the documentation as this is a somewhat advanced topic.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

Okay my mistake I thought that what people are talking about that you created was something talking can you explain a bit more what that is?  That you created I think is it an environment I am not that technical so be patient.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 10:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 

I am not aware of any program called "talking mpeg".

----- Original Message -----

From: James Hooper

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:11 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 

I got this can you explain what thetalking mpeg is then

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:49 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 

Ah I see.  You said "mpeg program" in the subject so I wasn't sure.  There are several imaging applications, but if you are referring to the free one I have been discussing with Sylvia, that would be Active@ Disk Image Lite and you can download it here from it's homepage.

----- Original Message -----

From: James Hooper

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 

The program you use to back up or make an image.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 

Hi James,

 

I'm not sure to which program you are referring.  Could you elaborate?

----- Original Message -----

From: James Hooper

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:04 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 

Can you send me a copy of this carlos thanks.
Re: Labeling buttons with JAWS

Kimsan
 

Hmm, I didn’t see prompt create after pressing insert f2.  Custom labels will do the trick, and lable links and buttons.

I would focus on the button, CTRL insert tab, then fill out the information and click ok/save or whatever the button is. I’m thinking it will be an ok button.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 1:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

While the button/control you want to label has focus, press Insert+F2 and select

"Prompt Create"

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 3:54 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Labeling buttons with JAWS

 

Can anyone give me step by step directions on how to label buttons in programs using JAWS? I have to admit that I did try googling for this information, but mainly came up with instructions for labeling text links.

 

Any ideas or directions?

 

Thanks much,

 

TerriLynne
Re: carlos mpeg program

james <j.hooper3272@...>
 

Okay my mistake I thought that what people are talking about that you created was something talking can you explain a bit more what that is?  That you created I think is it an environment I am not that technical so be patient.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 10:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 

I am not aware of any program called "talking mpeg".

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 12:11 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 

I got this can you explain what thetalking mpeg is then

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:49 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 

Ah I see.  You said "mpeg program" in the subject so I wasn't sure.  There are several imaging applications, but if you are referring to the free one I have been discussing with Sylvia, that would be Active@ Disk Image Lite and you can download it here from it's homepage.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 

The program you use to back up or make an image.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 

Hi James,

 

I'm not sure to which program you are referring.  Could you elaborate?

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:04 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] carlos mpeg program

 

Can you send me a copy of this carlos thanks.
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