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Labeling buttons with JAWS

Terrilynne Pomeroy <tl1@...>
 

Can anyone give me step by step directions on how to label buttons in programs using JAWS? I have to admit that I did try googling for this information, but mainly came up with instructions for labeling text links.

 

Any ideas or directions?

 

Thanks much,

 

TerriLynne


Command Prompt, How To Paste From The Clipboard Into It

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi All,
 
I learned this about Command Prompt & thought others would like to know as well.  For those that have needed to type a long string of text into the Command Prompt, well you can copy it to the clipboard, & paste it in by following the steps below.
 
Copy whatever command string you want to the clipboard.  After typing, CMD, into the run dialogue & pressing enter to open the command prompt try either of the following ways to paste the contents of the clipboard into the command prompt.  The steps below are for XP, Vista, Windows 7 & 8.
 
Step #1:
1. Do a right mouse click simulation keystroke, Numpad star.  Using the applications key / context menu won't work.
2. Arrow down to, Paste, & press enter to paste the contents of the clipboard into the command prompt.
3. Press enter again to start the command.
 
Step 2:
1.  After copying the command string to the clipboard press, Windows key + R, to open the Run Dialogue, type, C M D, & press enter to open the command prompt.
2. Press, Alt + spacebar, to bring up the system menu, arrow down to the edit menu, & press enter.
3. Arrow up / down to the, Paste, option, & press enter, and the contents of the clipboard should be pasted in the  command prompt.
4. Press enter again to start the pasted command.
 
From: Carlos
Also note that in Windows 10, you can just use Control V to paste into the command prompt.
Carlos
 
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!


Re: nod 32 version 8

Shirley and guide dog nitro <irishandblind1980@...>
 

thanks, i'lll look.
shirley



Private emails are always welcome, you can reach me by emailing me at
irishandblind1980@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 1:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nod 32 version 8

It's actually included in Windows 10. You could find it in Control Panel.

On 9/11/2016 4:57 AM, Shirley Healy wrote:
how do i get to windows defender? I am using windows 10. Thanks,
shirley



Private emails are always welcome, you can reach me by emailing me at
irishandblind1980@gmail.com
-----Original Message----- From: Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nod 32 version 8

Hey shirley,
Sorry Nod32 is not free.
If you're looking for free antivirus then you're best to remain with
Windows Defender if you're running Windows 8.1 or Windows 10, or
download Microsoft Security essentials if you are on Windows 7.
If you want NOD32 anyway, you can get it from this link:
https://www.eset.com/int/home/antivirus/#download
It's version 9.0.386.0. I think it's not a good idea to download version
8, if you could find it at all.
HTH.

On 9/10/2016 5:56 PM, Shirley Healy wrote:
does anyone know an easy way to get version 8 and can point me to where
i can download this antivirus software, and, is it free?
shirley
Private emails are always welcome, you can reach me by emailing me at
irishandblind1980@gmail.com <mailto:irishandblind1980@gmail.com>








Re: nod 32 version 8

Edmond <gocloud84@...>
 

It's actually included in Windows 10. You could find it in Control Panel.

On 9/11/2016 4:57 AM, Shirley Healy wrote:
how do i get to windows defender? I am using windows 10. Thanks,
shirley



Private emails are always welcome, you can reach me by emailing me at
irishandblind1980@gmail.com
-----Original Message----- From: Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nod 32 version 8

Hey shirley,
Sorry Nod32 is not free.
If you're looking for free antivirus then you're best to remain with
Windows Defender if you're running Windows 8.1 or Windows 10, or
download Microsoft Security essentials if you are on Windows 7.
If you want NOD32 anyway, you can get it from this link:
https://www.eset.com/int/home/antivirus/#download
It's version 9.0.386.0. I think it's not a good idea to download version
8, if you could find it at all.
HTH.

On 9/10/2016 5:56 PM, Shirley Healy wrote:
does anyone know an easy way to get version 8 and can point me to where
i can download this antivirus software, and, is it free?
shirley
Private emails are always welcome, you can reach me by emailing me at
irishandblind1980@gmail.com <mailto:irishandblind1980@gmail.com>







Re: nod 32 version 8

Shirley and guide dog nitro <irishandblind1980@...>
 

how do i get to windows defender? I am using windows 10. Thanks,
shirley



Private emails are always welcome, you can reach me by emailing me at
irishandblind1980@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nod 32 version 8

Hey shirley,
Sorry Nod32 is not free.
If you're looking for free antivirus then you're best to remain with
Windows Defender if you're running Windows 8.1 or Windows 10, or
download Microsoft Security essentials if you are on Windows 7.
If you want NOD32 anyway, you can get it from this link:
https://www.eset.com/int/home/antivirus/#download
It's version 9.0.386.0. I think it's not a good idea to download version
8, if you could find it at all.
HTH.

On 9/10/2016 5:56 PM, Shirley Healy wrote:
does anyone know an easy way to get version 8 and can point me to where
i can download this antivirus software, and, is it free?
shirley
Private emails are always welcome, you can reach me by emailing me at
irishandblind1980@gmail.com <mailto:irishandblind1980@gmail.com>



Re: Googling it

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Pat, it doesn't matter in this case as to whether one is blind or not. Now, if one does reprint the whole article, you probably won't get fined or even caught, but it's the principle of the thing.

Ann P.

Original message:

Hi Ann,
Does that still stand if the list is for those who are blind, especially
considering the various difficulties of the accessibility of websites?
Blessings and All the Very Best, Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@sero.email>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Googling it

Hi all,
The truth is that by copyright law, you should only post the URL and
perhaps the first paragraph of any article.
Ann P.
--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
** New EMAIL: akp@sero.email
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor
"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."




--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
** New EMAIL: akp@sero.email
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Windows 10 Version 16 07 Narrator Download Manual Link

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Veronica,
 
You can download it from here:
 
 
I'll also send it to you off list as an attachment.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 Version 16 07 Narrator Download Manual Link

Hi Mike,

 

Is your folder of the Windows 10 Narrator manual still in Dropbox for download , and if so could you or someone please give me instructions as to how to retrieve it.

 

Veronica

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 8:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 Version 16 07 Narrator Download Manual Link

 

Howdy All,

 

i put together a folder of the Windows 10 Narrator manual from the links from the Microsoft help page.  The link to the Microsoft help page is below, & a Dropbox download link is below that with the files in both.DOCX & .TXT formats.

 

MS Page:

 

 

Dropbox download link:

 

 

   

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!


Re: Windows 10 Version 16 07 Narrator Download Manual Link

Veronica Kirk
 

Hi Mike,

 

Is your folder of the Windows 10 Narrator manual still in Dropbox for download , and if so could you or someone please give me instructions as to how to retrieve it.

 

Veronica

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 8:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 Version 16 07 Narrator Download Manual Link

 

Howdy All,

 

i put together a folder of the Windows 10 Narrator manual from the links from the Microsoft help page.  The link to the Microsoft help page is below, & a Dropbox download link is below that with the files in both.DOCX & .TXT formats.

 

MS Page:

 

 

Dropbox download link:

 

 

   

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!


Re: nod 32 version 8

Edmond <gocloud84@...>
 

Hey shirley,
Sorry Nod32 is not free.
If you're looking for free antivirus then you're best to remain with Windows Defender if you're running Windows 8.1 or Windows 10, or download Microsoft Security essentials if you are on Windows 7.
If you want NOD32 anyway, you can get it from this link:
https://www.eset.com/int/home/antivirus/#download
It's version 9.0.386.0. I think it's not a good idea to download version 8, if you could find it at all.
HTH.

On 9/10/2016 5:56 PM, Shirley Healy wrote:
does anyone know an easy way to get version 8 and can point me to where
i can download this antivirus software, and, is it free?
shirley
Private emails are always welcome, you can reach me by emailing me at
irishandblind1980@gmail.com <mailto:irishandblind1980@gmail.com>



nod 32 version 8

Shirley and guide dog nitro <irishandblind1980@...>
 

does anyone know an easy way to get version 8 and can point me to where i can download this antivirus software, and, is it free?
shirley
Private emails are always welcome, you can reach me by emailing me at
irishandblind1980@...



Re: Odd JAWS 17 freezeup with Outlook 2013

Carlos
 

The shortcut for killing JAWS is Insert+Windows key+F4.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Odd JAWS 17 freezeup with Outlook 2013

Why don't you close the program from the task manager?  runn Narrator or another screen-reader, close JAWS in the task manager, then run it again.  Or try closing JAWS in the manner intended for occasions when JAWS freezes and can't be shut down.  I don't recall the command but I'm sure someone else knows it.  Try shutting JAWS down with that command, then try running it.  If this works, you won't have to run another screen-reader and use the task manager. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Spitz
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:54 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Odd JAWS 17 freezeup with Outlook 2013

I have three email accounts on Outlook 2013.  JAWS 17 with latest upgrade will lock up completely when I try to access my Outlook.com account if it only has two or three unread messages in the Inbox.  It never locks up with my Gmail or work accounts.  All the Alt-F4’s in the world won’t unlock it and I end up restarting the computer with a hard reboot from the button on the box.  The only message I get is “lost focus”.

 

Any guesses?

 

Thanks,

 

Peter


Re: Odd JAWS 17 freezeup with Outlook 2013

Gene
 

Why don't you close the program from the task manager?  runn Narrator or another screen-reader, close JAWS in the task manager, then run it again.  Or try closing JAWS in the manner intended for occasions when JAWS freezes and can't be shut down.  I don't recall the command but I'm sure someone else knows it.  Try shutting JAWS down with that command, then try running it.  If this works, you won't have to run another screen-reader and use the task manager. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Spitz
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:54 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Odd JAWS 17 freezeup with Outlook 2013

I have three email accounts on Outlook 2013.  JAWS 17 with latest upgrade will lock up completely when I try to access my Outlook.com account if it only has two or three unread messages in the Inbox.  It never locks up with my Gmail or work accounts.  All the Alt-F4’s in the world won’t unlock it and I end up restarting the computer with a hard reboot from the button on the box.  The only message I get is “lost focus”.

 

Any guesses?

 

Thanks,

 

Peter


Re: Thank you Carlos

Sugar Lopez
 

Ok thanks

'Faith is seeing light with your heart when all your eyes see is darkness.'
Sugar

Come and join me and my busy elves at the North Pole for yummy & Tasty
Recipes:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Santas-Workshop

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thank you Carlos

I'm still not quite sure if I understand what you're trying to accomplish,
but press Windows key+R to open the "Run"
dialog, type
sndvol
followed by Enter, and then tab through the dialog to find the "System
Sounds"
volume slider.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sugar" <sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thank you Carlos


LOL that just tells you how much I know.
Basically what I want to know is if you know how I can set it where my
background is a bit softer than the volume

'Faith is seeing light with your heart when all your eyes see is
darkness.'
Sugar

Come and join me and my busy elves at the North Pole for yummy & Tasty
Recipes:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Santas-Workshop


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thank you Carlos

Hi Sugar,
I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say you're not familiar with
gigs and the number. What is gigs?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sugar" <sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 3:45 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Thank you Carlos


Hi Carlos
I thank you, I reinstalled the virtual recorder this time and it
worked great!
I have a question..smile
It is working great..
When I send out a message, I like to play soft music on the back ground.
How can I have the music a bit lower than the volume of my voice?
I know it's in the setting somewhere but I'm not familiar with gigs,
and the number, but I am learning..smile Any suggestions?
Thanks
"I Rather Walk In Darkness With God, Than To Walk Alone In The Light"
-Sugar

Come and joine me and my busy elves at the North Pole for fun and
tasty Recipes all around, especially for Christmas!:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Santas-Workshop










Odd JAWS 17 freezeup with Outlook 2013

Peter Spitz
 

I have three email accounts on Outlook 2013.  JAWS 17 with latest upgrade will lock up completely when I try to access my Outlook.com account if it only has two or three unread messages in the Inbox.  It never locks up with my Gmail or work accounts.  All the Alt-F4’s in the world won’t unlock it and I end up restarting the computer with a hard reboot from the button on the box.  The only message I get is “lost focus”.

 

Any guesses?

 

Thanks,

 

Peter


Re: Thank you Carlos

Carlos
 

I'm still not quite sure if I understand what you're trying to accomplish, but press Windows key+R to open the
"Run"
dialog, type
sndvol
followed by Enter, and then tab through the dialog to find the
"System Sounds"
volume slider.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sugar" <sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thank you Carlos


LOL that just tells you how much I know.
Basically what I want to know is if you know how I can set it where my
background is a bit softer than the volume

'Faith is seeing light with your heart when all your eyes see is darkness.'
Sugar

Come and join me and my busy elves at the North Pole for yummy & Tasty
Recipes:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Santas-Workshop


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thank you Carlos

Hi Sugar,
I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say you're not familiar with gigs
and the number. What is gigs?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sugar" <sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 3:45 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Thank you Carlos


Hi Carlos
I thank you, I reinstalled the virtual recorder this time and it
worked great!
I have a question..smile
It is working great..
When I send out a message, I like to play soft music on the back ground.
How can I have the music a bit lower than the volume of my voice?
I know it's in the setting somewhere but I'm not familiar with gigs,
and the number, but I am learning..smile Any suggestions?
Thanks
"I Rather Walk In Darkness With God, Than To Walk Alone In The Light"
-Sugar

Come and joine me and my busy elves at the North Pole for fun and
tasty Recipes all around, especially for Christmas!:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Santas-Workshop









Re: Future technology gifts for my girlfriend

Kimsan
 

No, I’m saying I don’t want to be a gold digger.

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 1:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Future technology gifts for my girlfriend

 

So, what you are saying is ... you're easy? LOL

Melissa

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 10, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:

Lmfao!

 

 

I would just get an ipad pro.

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Future technology gifts for my girlfriend

 

Shoot... For those kinds of gifts, I’ll  even be your  girlfriend...

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 10:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Future technology gifts for my girlfriend

 

Hello everyone.

 

I'm writing to let you know about some future technology gifts  my girlfriend.  her birthday she will be getting a new iPhone, no problem what to get her there. But for her 30th I'm thinking of getting her a mac. But I would like to know what would be suitable  someone who just reads emails, browsing the web, including using Facebook, listening to music, watching Youtube, you get the idea. I'm leaning towards either a Macbook Air or Macbook Pro, the latter being a good option I think as she would be used to machines equivalent of a Windows laptop.

 

Any responses are very welcome. Thank you in advance.

 

Kindest Regards

Chris

 


Re: Win 10 Anniversary

Kassy <kasandratoo@...>
 

I don’t use wither Webcams or any Kindle  products. I am also running the latest version of Jaws so I might just go ahead and take the plunge. Thanks
 
 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Win 10 Anniversary
 

Hi,

There are more important bugs found that may or may not impact JAWS users. If you can live with the following bugs for a while or just curious, upgrade to the Anniversary Update:

·         Webcams does not work properly.

·         Plugging certain Kindle products causes Windows to crash.

Note that it is recommended to use JAWS 17.0.2619 or later (or better yet, JAWS 18).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kassy
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Win 10 Anniversary

 

I still do not have the anniversary edition but am thinking of getting it and forcing the update. I have not heard much about it lately and wonder how everyone is getting along with it and Jaws? Any advice before updating?

Thanks

 


apology to Carlos

Sugar Lopez
 

Carlos
I apologize for spelling your name wrong..smile
"I Rather Walk In Darkness With God, Than To Walk Alone In The Light"
-Sugar

Come and joine me and my busy elves at the North Pole for fun and tasty
Recipes all around, especially for Christmas!:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Santas-Workshop


Re: OE Classic Email Program

Flor Lynch
 

There's also a Pro version of the program, and its users may make suggestions for improvements. I believe $24. It's been going since at least some time in 2012.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Ferrin via Groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 6:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OE Classic Email Program

Agreed, tried it and already dumped it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 12:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OE Classic Email Program

Hi Group,


I downloaded and installed the newest version of OE Classic version
2.51. It is definitely not accessible. None of the first letter
navigation features work as they do in the original Outlook Express.
Folder navigation is not possible without use of the JAWS/review
cursor. Similarly, navigating the options menus is not possible using
classic keystrokes such as tab and shift tab. You must use review/JAWS
cursor to highlight items and click with the JAWS/mouse cursors.


Unless you really want to be frustrated or unless there is some setting
I must change to make the program more accessible, I would not recommend
it for blind users.



On 9/8/2016 7:48 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

Some of you have reported problems with the “replacement” version of
Outlook Express for Windows 7 and higher because it may not work well
with JAWS 17. But there is now an email program called OE Classic that
replaces Outlook Express, Windows Mail, Windows Live Mail and even
Thunderbird that works with all versions of Windows, including Windows
10 that is supposed to be easy to use. So if you’re looking for an
alternative to your current email program,OE Classic may be worht
considering. Check it out and let us know how well it works for you:

https://www.oeclassic.com/

Gerald




--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Thank you Carlos

Sugar Lopez
 

Thank you Carols I am very much a she..smile
I just want to know how to make my background noises, like music a bit
softer than the actual volume.
Smile
Sugar

'Faith is seeing light with your heart when all your eyes see is darkness.'
Sugar

Come and join me and my busy elves at the North Pole for yummy & Tasty
Recipes:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Santas-Workshop

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 1:00 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thank you Carlos

Sugar is a she. And since she was asking about audio levels, I don't think
the question had anything to do with bitrates or sampling rates.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io" <gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thank you Carlos


Maybe he is confused about bitrates e.g. 128 KBP/ and/or 44/48 KHz?
These are about audio quality.

On 9/10/2016 12:49 PM, Carlos wrote:
Hi Sugar,
I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say you're not familiar
with gigs and the number. What is gigs?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sugar" <sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 3:45 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Thank you Carlos


Hi Carlos
I thank you, I reinstalled the virtual recorder this time and it
worked great!
I have a question..smile
It is working great..
When I send out a message, I like to play soft music on the back ground.
How can I have the music a bit lower than the volume of my voice?
I know it's in the setting somewhere but I'm not familiar with gigs,
and the number, but I am learning..smile Any suggestions?
Thanks
"I Rather Walk In Darkness With God, Than To Walk Alone In The Light"
-Sugar

Come and joine me and my busy elves at the North Pole for fun and
tasty Recipes all around, especially for Christmas!:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Santas-Workshop