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Re: CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Softwaretouch cursor instructions included

Dave Mitchel
 

oh wow! very informative and many thanks to you Carlos!
 
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
No, you don't need a touch screen to use it.
 
From the JAWS help file:
 

Using the Touch Cursor

Certain applications, especially many of the modern-style apps found in Windows 8, do not always work as expected with JAWS when navigating with the standard cursors such as the PC and Virtual PC cursors. Activating the new Touch Cursor enables you to use the ARROW keys on your computer's keyboard, or the controls on your braille display, to navigate through the actual objects in an application similar to using gestures on the touch screen of a tablet. Application objects include everything from menu bars, toolbars, and progress bars, to form controls, regions, links, etc. Press SHIFT+NUM PAD PLUS, or SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+SEMICOLON if using the laptop keyboard layout, to activate the Touch Cursor. To turn it off, activate one of the other cursors, like the JAWS or PC Cursor. Pressing the PC Cursor command (NUM PAD PLUS) will cause JAWS to say "Touch Cursor" and the Touch Cursor will remain active. If Tutor Messages are enabled, JAWS will also speak the message "Double tap to activate PC cursor". Press the PC Cursor command twice quickly to turn off the Touch Cursor and activate the PC Cursor.

The Touch Cursor is enabled by default in certain Windows 8 applications to improve navigation. These apps include News, Weather, and Store. Whenever you move focus to one of these apps, the Touch Cursor is automatically activated. To automatically enable the Touch Cursor in another application, press INSERT+V to open Quick Settings while focused in the application where you want to use the Touch Cursor, expand the Touch Cursor Options group, and then select Automatic Activation. You must do this for every application where you want to have JAWS automatically turn on the Touch Cursor.

Navigating With the Touch Cursor

To move to the next or previous object on the screen, press RIGHT or LEFT ARROW. You can also use TAB or SHIFT+TAB.

To move by a specific object type, press UP or DOWN ARROW. By default, the UP and DOWN ARROWS will move by regions, or by groups if you are on the Windows 8 Start Screen. To change what object type these commands move by, press PAGE UP or PAGE DOWN to cycle through the available types using the navigation rotor.

For example, if you want the UP or DOWN ARROW keys to move by headings, press PAGE UP or PAGE DOWN until you hear "headings. Now, pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move to the next or previous heading.

Press CTRL+HOME to move to the first object and press CTRL+END to move to the last object. To announce the current object, press INSERT+UP ARROW. To perform a Say All, which will cause the Touch Cursor to move through the application and speak each object, press INSERT+DOWN ARROW.

As you navigate using the ARROW keys, the system focus does not follow the Touch Cursor. This allows you to freely navigate through objects without changing the position of the PC Cursor or mouse pointer. Pressing SPACEBAR or ENTER on the current object will move focus to that object and perform the appropriate action. For instance, opening a menu, selecting a check box, or activating a button or link. In addition, a rectangle will be displayed around the currently selected object to visually indicate the location of the Touch cursor for sighted users.

To quickly move the Touch Cursor to the object that currently has focus, press INSERT+NUM PAD PLUS, or CAPS LOCK+APOSTROPHE if using the laptop keyboard layout. JAWS will route the Touch Cursor to the currently selected object and announce it. The Touch Cursor will remain active after performing this command.

To determine what object types will be announced as you navigate with the Touch Cursor, press INSERT+V to open Quick Settings, expand the Touch Cursor Options group, then move to Configure Types. This group lists all available types that can be navigated to using the Touch Cursor. Use the SPACEBAR to select or clear a type. Types that are selected are announced while types that are not selected are ignored.

Note: The Configure Types option only appears in Quick Settings if the Touch Cursor is currently active when Quick Settings is opened.

Navigating the Windows 8 Start Screen

Previously, navigating Tiles on the new Windows 8 Start Screen was difficult to understand. Like a traditional desktop, the columns did not wrap, and because tiles can be different sizes, it was very difficult to orient yourself when moving with the PC focus. We now suggest you consider using the Touch Cursor mode to offer a more seamless and predictable way of learning the tiles and where they are located.

To begin, move focus to the Windows 8 Start Screen by pressing the WINDOWS key until you hear "Start Screen." Now you can activate the Touch Cursor by pressing SHIFT+NUM PAD PLUS on a Desktop keyboard or SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+SEMICOLON on a Laptop keyboard. With the Touch Cursor on, you can use the single-finger flick up and down gestures to move between the groups, or use UP and DOWN ARROWS to simulate the gestures, even if you do not have a touch screen. Note that groups are generally not named by default, so JAWS will refer to the Group name based on whatever the first tile is in the group that gains focus. At any point, you can use either a single-finger flick right or left on a Touch Screen or use the RIGHT and LEFT ARROWS to explore all tiles from your current location. If you locate a Tile for an application you wish to launch, simply double tap the touch screen with a single finger, or just press ENTER to launch the tile you are on.

Touch Cursor Navigation Quick Keys

While the Touch Cursor is active, you can use Navigation Quick Keys to quickly jump to various types of objects, such as regions, headings, links, form controls, and so on. These commands are similar to the Navigation Quick Keys that are used when navigating HTML and PDF documents with the Virtual PC Cursor.

By default, Touch Navigation Quick Keys are not enabled when the Touch Cursor is activated. This allows you to fully use applications that support typing in the main window. For example, the Windows 8 News app lets you type so you can quickly locate specific stories.

If you would like Touch Navigation Quick keys to be enabled automatically when the Touch Cursor is activated in a specific application, press INSERT+V to open Quick Settings while focused in the application, navigate to the Touch Cursor Options group, and select Touch Quick Keys. You can also press INSERT+Z while the Touch Cursor is active to temporarily toggle Touch Navigation Quick Keys on or off.

The following Navigation Quick Keys are available:

Note: You can add the SHIFT Key to any of these commands to move to the previous occurrence of that element.

  • A - Next radio button
  • B - Next button
  • C - Next combo box
  • D - Next document
  • E - Next edit field
  • F - Next form field
  • G - Next image
  • H - Next heading
  • I - Next list item
  • K - Next link
  • L - Next list
  • M - Next menu
  • O - Next tool bar
  • P - Next pane
  • Q - Next tab
  • R - Next region
  • S - Next occurrence of static text
  • T - Next table
  • U - Next group
  • V - Next tree view
  • X - Next check box
  • Z - Next status bar

Text Review

Text Review allows you to read the text contained inside an element using standard reading commands. If the element at the current Touch Cursor position has text, such as a news article, pressing NUM PAD SLASH or INSERT+ENTER will activate Text Review. You can then use the ARROW keys to read the text as if you were reading a regular document. Pressing the ESC key will exit Text Review and return to Touch Cursor navigation.

For example, in the News app, where the Touch Cursor is enabled by default, you could press UP or DOWN ARROW to move to the Top Stories region and then press RIGHT ARROW to move to a particular story. When you find the article you want to read, you can press INSERT+ENTER or NUM PAD SLASH to switch to Text Review so you can use the ARROW keys or the braille display to read the article. Once you are finished, press ESC to close Text Review and then use RIGHT or LEFT ARROW to select another article from the current region, or UP or DOWN ARROW to move to a different region.

By default, JAWS will play a sound when you enter or exit Text Review mode. If you would rather have JAWS speak a message, press INSERT+V to open Quick Settings, expand the Touch Cursor Options group, and clear the Use Sounds option.

Advanced Navigation

For advanced users, specifically those who may be involved with developing applications, Advanced Navigation provides more detail about all objects in the UIA (User Interface UAutomation) structure.

With the standard Touch Cursor, you can only navigate to objects that are visible on the screen in the current application. In Advanced Navigation, the Touch Cursor traverses all UIA objects in a hierarchical manner. All Objects, whether visible or not, can be traversed in Advanced Navigation.

To enable Advanced Navigation, press NUM PAD STAR, or CAPS LOCK+A if using the laptop keyboard layout, while the Touch Cursor is active. Once active, use the LEFT or RIGHT ARROW keys to move to the previous or next sibling object and the UP or DOWN ARROW keys to move to the parrent object or the first child object. To view more Advanced Navigation commands, press INSERT+H while this mode is active. Press NUM PAD STAR once more to turn off Advanced Navigation and return to the standard Touch Cursor.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
to use the touch cursor do you have to have a touch screen?
it almost sounds as though having the touch screen is not needed if you can tab through and activate various buttons.
Dave
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
Good thought.  Using the touch cursor does seem to work.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
I've seen references to a relatively new feature in JAWS, intended to allow JAWS to work with touch screens.  This feature has been described as the JAWS equivalent to object navigation in NVDA.  I wonder if that feature would provide access.  Certainly, access is not available by such means as the JAWS cursor.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
Yes, it seems that it is possible to access the radio buttons with NVDA, but not with JAWS as far as I can tell.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
They do provide such information along with the ability to decline.  This information is clearly present for sighted users.  It appears they may go much farther than companies in general to avoid the user unintentionally installing the third party programs. 
 
I can read the screen in CDburnXP where a program is offered.  I don't know if there are other screens offering more programs.  I didn't go further.  But NVDA, when working with object navigation, does give access to the installation information and the radio buttons for install or don't install.  I am not assuming that this is the case in general, but in the one instance I saw, do not install was the radio button selected by default.  As far as I know, this is quite unusual.  But my point is that this company may be going far beyond what is generally done by companies to allow people to not inadvertently install additional software.  If so, this is a commendable and unusual position. 
 
Don't assume that problems are intentional with no evidence.  they may just as likely be accessibility issues.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
Yeah, right, the sneaky creeps.  They could have at least identified
what they intended to install and offered a method of declining it on
the screen.  My enthusiasm for the program has waned significantly.

Rich De Steno

On 8/25/2016 7:50 AM, Carlos wrote:
> I have no idea what they mean by minimal, but I would still be cautious.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno" <ironrock@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
>
>
>> I did some research on this issue of CD Burner XP wanting to install
>> additional software.  The nasty addition is apparently Open Candy,
>> which is generally considered malware.  However, if you move down
>> lower on the CD Burner XP download page, there is an option for "more
>> downloads" or words to that effect.  On that page, you are offered
>> several other options, including the program "without core
>> installer".  It is still an "exe" installation file, but it ends with
>> the word "minimal".  I infer that this means it does not have the
>> Open Candy junk in it.
>>
>> Rich De Steno
>>
>> On 8/25/2016 7:25 AM, Carlos wrote:
>>> You can either download the portable version
>>> https://download.cdburnerxp.se/portable/
>>> which does not include promotional software or you can try AnyBurn
>>> http://www.anyburn.com/
>>> which is only distributed as a portable archive.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
>>> <ironrock@...>
>>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:04 AM
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
>>>
>>>
>>>> I downloaded the installation file for CD Burner XP directly from
>>>> the home page, but the installation process states that it will
>>>> install additional software for my computer.  I do not hear any way
>>>> of not accepting or unchecking anything on that screen, it offers
>>>> only "next" or "cancel".  As a result, I cancelled.  Does anyone
>>>> know what this other software is or if there is a way to decline
>>>> this offer? Alternatively, is there another free CD-burning program
>>>> that does not install other junk?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rich De Steno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

Dave Mitchel
 

thank you!

-----Original Message-----
From: Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:53 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

No you do not have to. Just use Shift+NumPad Plus to enable it.

On 8/25/2016 6:46 AM, Dave Mitchel wrote:
to use the touch cursor do you have to have a touch screen?
it almost sounds as though having the touch screen is not needed if you
can tab through and activate various buttons.
Dave

*From:* Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:28 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

Good thought. Using the touch cursor does seem to work.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:20 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

I've seen references to a relatively new feature in JAWS, intended
to allow JAWS to work with touch screens. This feature has been
described as the JAWS equivalent to object navigation in NVDA. I
wonder if that feature would provide access. Certainly, access is
not available by such means as the JAWS cursor.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:12 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

Yes, it seems that it is possible to access the radio buttons with
NVDA, but not with JAWS as far as I can tell.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:07 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

They do provide such information along with the ability to
decline. This information is clearly present for sighted
users. It appears they may go much farther than companies in
general to avoid the user unintentionally installing the third
party programs.

I can read the screen in CDburnXP where a program is offered. I
don't know if there are other screens offering more programs. I
didn't go further. But NVDA, when working with object
navigation, does give access to the installation information and
the radio buttons for install or don't install. I am not
assuming that this is the case in general, but in the one
instance I saw, do not install was the radio button selected by
default. As far as I know, this is quite unusual. But my point
is that this company may be going far beyond what is generally
done by companies to allow people to not inadvertently install
additional software. If so, this is a commendable and unusual
position.

Don't assume that problems are intentional with no evidence.
they may just as likely be accessibility issues.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rich De Steno <mailto:ironrock@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:55 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

Yeah, right, the sneaky creeps. They could have at least
identified
what they intended to install and offered a method of declining
it on
the screen. My enthusiasm for the program has waned significantly.

Rich De Steno

On 8/25/2016 7:50 AM, Carlos wrote:
> I have no idea what they mean by minimal, but I would still be
cautious.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
<ironrock@... <mailto:ironrock@...>>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>>
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software
>
>
>> I did some research on this issue of CD Burner XP wanting to
install
>> additional software. The nasty addition is apparently Open
Candy,
>> which is generally considered malware. However, if you move
down
>> lower on the CD Burner XP download page, there is an option
for "more
>> downloads" or words to that effect. On that page, you are
offered
>> several other options, including the program "without core
>> installer". It is still an "exe" installation file, but it
ends with
>> the word "minimal". I infer that this means it does not have
the
>> Open Candy junk in it.
>>
>> Rich De Steno
>>
>> On 8/25/2016 7:25 AM, Carlos wrote:
>>> You can either download the portable version
>>> https://download.cdburnerxp.se/portable/
>>> which does not include promotional software or you can try
AnyBurn
>>> http://www.anyburn.com/
>>> which is only distributed as a portable archive.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
>>> <ironrock@... <mailto:ironrock@...>>
>>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:04 AM
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software
>>>
>>>
>>>> I downloaded the installation file for CD Burner XP
directly from
>>>> the home page, but the installation process states that it
will
>>>> install additional software for my computer. I do not hear
any way
>>>> of not accepting or unchecking anything on that screen, it
offers
>>>> only "next" or "cancel". As a result, I cancelled. Does
anyone
>>>> know what this other software is or if there is a way to
decline
>>>> this offer? Alternatively, is there another free CD-burning
program
>>>> that does not install other junk?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rich De Steno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Insider preview still shows in Windows update

Edmond Nazarian <gocloud84@...>
 

Also this key:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsSelfhost\Applicability

On 8/25/2016 7:09 AM, Loy wrote:
*

The latest insider preview build 14905 caused many problems, so I had to
reinstall from a system image. I then chose not to receive anymore
insider previews, but the Insider preview update is showing in Windows
Update. I definitely do not want this to install again. How can I clear
this from the list of updates in Windows update?

*


Re: Insider preview still shows in Windows update

Edmond Nazarian <gocloud84@...>
 

Try deleting the
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsSelfHost
key if it is exists. Disconnect from Internet before. Reboot afterward. It's not exist on non-insiders.

On 8/25/2016 7:09 AM, Loy wrote:
*

The latest insider preview build 14905 caused many problems, so I had to
reinstall from a system image. I then chose not to receive anymore
insider previews, but the Insider preview update is showing in Windows
Update. I definitely do not want this to install again. How can I clear
this from the list of updates in Windows update?

*


Insider preview still shows in Windows update

Loy
 

The latest insider preview build 14905 caused many problems, so I had to reinstall from a system image. I then chose not to receive anymore insider previews, but the Insider preview update is showing in Windows Update. I definitely do not want this to install again. How can I clear this from the list of updates in Windows update?


Re: question about the list

Carlos
 

If the subject has not changed and you are still receiving messages from the same thread, then it might just be buggy behavior from groups.io.

----- Original Message -----
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question about the list

This happens to me too.
 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:57 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] question about the list
 

Greetings all I notice that some times when I mute a thread I will continue to get messages on the same topic do I need to mute it again when I get new messages?


Re: question about the list

Gene
 

Have you checked to make sure that someone didn't do something such as change the subject line?  That starts a new thread. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:57 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] question about the list

Greetings all I notice that some times when I mute a thread I will continue to get messages on the same topic do I need to mute it again when I get new messages?


Re: question about the list

MamaPeach <mamapeach@...>
 

This happens to me too.
 

Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:57 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] question about the list
 

Greetings all I notice that some times when I mute a thread I will continue to get messages on the same topic do I need to mute it again when I get new messages?


Re: question about the list

Carlos
 

No, you should only have to mute a thread once.  It is possible you may continue to receive related messages if someone changes the subject which is one reason why I request members not do so unless the topic has actually changed.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:57 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] question about the list

Greetings all I notice that some times when I mute a thread I will continue to get messages on the same topic do I need to mute it again when I get new messages?


question about the list

james <j.hooper3272@...>
 

Greetings all I notice that some times when I mute a thread I will continue to get messages on the same topic do I need to mute it again when I get new messages?


Re: CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

Carlos
 


No, you don't need a touch screen to use it.
 
From the JAWS help file:
 

Using the Touch Cursor

Certain applications, especially many of the modern-style apps found in Windows 8, do not always work as expected with JAWS when navigating with the standard cursors such as the PC and Virtual PC cursors. Activating the new Touch Cursor enables you to use the ARROW keys on your computer's keyboard, or the controls on your braille display, to navigate through the actual objects in an application similar to using gestures on the touch screen of a tablet. Application objects include everything from menu bars, toolbars, and progress bars, to form controls, regions, links, etc. Press SHIFT+NUM PAD PLUS, or SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+SEMICOLON if using the laptop keyboard layout, to activate the Touch Cursor. To turn it off, activate one of the other cursors, like the JAWS or PC Cursor. Pressing the PC Cursor command (NUM PAD PLUS) will cause JAWS to say "Touch Cursor" and the Touch Cursor will remain active. If Tutor Messages are enabled, JAWS will also speak the message "Double tap to activate PC cursor". Press the PC Cursor command twice quickly to turn off the Touch Cursor and activate the PC Cursor.

The Touch Cursor is enabled by default in certain Windows 8 applications to improve navigation. These apps include News, Weather, and Store. Whenever you move focus to one of these apps, the Touch Cursor is automatically activated. To automatically enable the Touch Cursor in another application, press INSERT+V to open Quick Settings while focused in the application where you want to use the Touch Cursor, expand the Touch Cursor Options group, and then select Automatic Activation. You must do this for every application where you want to have JAWS automatically turn on the Touch Cursor.

Navigating With the Touch Cursor

To move to the next or previous object on the screen, press RIGHT or LEFT ARROW. You can also use TAB or SHIFT+TAB.

To move by a specific object type, press UP or DOWN ARROW. By default, the UP and DOWN ARROWS will move by regions, or by groups if you are on the Windows 8 Start Screen. To change what object type these commands move by, press PAGE UP or PAGE DOWN to cycle through the available types using the navigation rotor.

For example, if you want the UP or DOWN ARROW keys to move by headings, press PAGE UP or PAGE DOWN until you hear "headings. Now, pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move to the next or previous heading.

Press CTRL+HOME to move to the first object and press CTRL+END to move to the last object. To announce the current object, press INSERT+UP ARROW. To perform a Say All, which will cause the Touch Cursor to move through the application and speak each object, press INSERT+DOWN ARROW.

As you navigate using the ARROW keys, the system focus does not follow the Touch Cursor. This allows you to freely navigate through objects without changing the position of the PC Cursor or mouse pointer. Pressing SPACEBAR or ENTER on the current object will move focus to that object and perform the appropriate action. For instance, opening a menu, selecting a check box, or activating a button or link. In addition, a rectangle will be displayed around the currently selected object to visually indicate the location of the Touch cursor for sighted users.

To quickly move the Touch Cursor to the object that currently has focus, press INSERT+NUM PAD PLUS, or CAPS LOCK+APOSTROPHE if using the laptop keyboard layout. JAWS will route the Touch Cursor to the currently selected object and announce it. The Touch Cursor will remain active after performing this command.

To determine what object types will be announced as you navigate with the Touch Cursor, press INSERT+V to open Quick Settings, expand the Touch Cursor Options group, then move to Configure Types. This group lists all available types that can be navigated to using the Touch Cursor. Use the SPACEBAR to select or clear a type. Types that are selected are announced while types that are not selected are ignored.

Note: The Configure Types option only appears in Quick Settings if the Touch Cursor is currently active when Quick Settings is opened.

Navigating the Windows 8 Start Screen

Previously, navigating Tiles on the new Windows 8 Start Screen was difficult to understand. Like a traditional desktop, the columns did not wrap, and because tiles can be different sizes, it was very difficult to orient yourself when moving with the PC focus. We now suggest you consider using the Touch Cursor mode to offer a more seamless and predictable way of learning the tiles and where they are located.

To begin, move focus to the Windows 8 Start Screen by pressing the WINDOWS key until you hear "Start Screen." Now you can activate the Touch Cursor by pressing SHIFT+NUM PAD PLUS on a Desktop keyboard or SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+SEMICOLON on a Laptop keyboard. With the Touch Cursor on, you can use the single-finger flick up and down gestures to move between the groups, or use UP and DOWN ARROWS to simulate the gestures, even if you do not have a touch screen. Note that groups are generally not named by default, so JAWS will refer to the Group name based on whatever the first tile is in the group that gains focus. At any point, you can use either a single-finger flick right or left on a Touch Screen or use the RIGHT and LEFT ARROWS to explore all tiles from your current location. If you locate a Tile for an application you wish to launch, simply double tap the touch screen with a single finger, or just press ENTER to launch the tile you are on.

Touch Cursor Navigation Quick Keys

While the Touch Cursor is active, you can use Navigation Quick Keys to quickly jump to various types of objects, such as regions, headings, links, form controls, and so on. These commands are similar to the Navigation Quick Keys that are used when navigating HTML and PDF documents with the Virtual PC Cursor.

By default, Touch Navigation Quick Keys are not enabled when the Touch Cursor is activated. This allows you to fully use applications that support typing in the main window. For example, the Windows 8 News app lets you type so you can quickly locate specific stories.

If you would like Touch Navigation Quick keys to be enabled automatically when the Touch Cursor is activated in a specific application, press INSERT+V to open Quick Settings while focused in the application, navigate to the Touch Cursor Options group, and select Touch Quick Keys. You can also press INSERT+Z while the Touch Cursor is active to temporarily toggle Touch Navigation Quick Keys on or off.

The following Navigation Quick Keys are available:

Note: You can add the SHIFT Key to any of these commands to move to the previous occurrence of that element.

  • A - Next radio button
  • B - Next button
  • C - Next combo box
  • D - Next document
  • E - Next edit field
  • F - Next form field
  • G - Next image
  • H - Next heading
  • I - Next list item
  • K - Next link
  • L - Next list
  • M - Next menu
  • O - Next tool bar
  • P - Next pane
  • Q - Next tab
  • R - Next region
  • S - Next occurrence of static text
  • T - Next table
  • U - Next group
  • V - Next tree view
  • X - Next check box
  • Z - Next status bar

Text Review

Text Review allows you to read the text contained inside an element using standard reading commands. If the element at the current Touch Cursor position has text, such as a news article, pressing NUM PAD SLASH or INSERT+ENTER will activate Text Review. You can then use the ARROW keys to read the text as if you were reading a regular document. Pressing the ESC key will exit Text Review and return to Touch Cursor navigation.

For example, in the News app, where the Touch Cursor is enabled by default, you could press UP or DOWN ARROW to move to the Top Stories region and then press RIGHT ARROW to move to a particular story. When you find the article you want to read, you can press INSERT+ENTER or NUM PAD SLASH to switch to Text Review so you can use the ARROW keys or the braille display to read the article. Once you are finished, press ESC to close Text Review and then use RIGHT or LEFT ARROW to select another article from the current region, or UP or DOWN ARROW to move to a different region.

By default, JAWS will play a sound when you enter or exit Text Review mode. If you would rather have JAWS speak a message, press INSERT+V to open Quick Settings, expand the Touch Cursor Options group, and clear the Use Sounds option.

Advanced Navigation

For advanced users, specifically those who may be involved with developing applications, Advanced Navigation provides more detail about all objects in the UIA (User Interface UAutomation) structure.

With the standard Touch Cursor, you can only navigate to objects that are visible on the screen in the current application. In Advanced Navigation, the Touch Cursor traverses all UIA objects in a hierarchical manner. All Objects, whether visible or not, can be traversed in Advanced Navigation.

To enable Advanced Navigation, press NUM PAD STAR, or CAPS LOCK+A if using the laptop keyboard layout, while the Touch Cursor is active. Once active, use the LEFT or RIGHT ARROW keys to move to the previous or next sibling object and the UP or DOWN ARROW keys to move to the parrent object or the first child object. To view more Advanced Navigation commands, press INSERT+H while this mode is active. Press NUM PAD STAR once more to turn off Advanced Navigation and return to the standard Touch Cursor.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

to use the touch cursor do you have to have a touch screen?
it almost sounds as though having the touch screen is not needed if you can tab through and activate various buttons.
Dave
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
Good thought.  Using the touch cursor does seem to work.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
I've seen references to a relatively new feature in JAWS, intended to allow JAWS to work with touch screens.  This feature has been described as the JAWS equivalent to object navigation in NVDA.  I wonder if that feature would provide access.  Certainly, access is not available by such means as the JAWS cursor.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
Yes, it seems that it is possible to access the radio buttons with NVDA, but not with JAWS as far as I can tell.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
They do provide such information along with the ability to decline.  This information is clearly present for sighted users.  It appears they may go much farther than companies in general to avoid the user unintentionally installing the third party programs. 
 
I can read the screen in CDburnXP where a program is offered.  I don't know if there are other screens offering more programs.  I didn't go further.  But NVDA, when working with object navigation, does give access to the installation information and the radio buttons for install or don't install.  I am not assuming that this is the case in general, but in the one instance I saw, do not install was the radio button selected by default.  As far as I know, this is quite unusual.  But my point is that this company may be going far beyond what is generally done by companies to allow people to not inadvertently install additional software.  If so, this is a commendable and unusual position. 
 
Don't assume that problems are intentional with no evidence.  they may just as likely be accessibility issues.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
Yeah, right, the sneaky creeps.  They could have at least identified
what they intended to install and offered a method of declining it on
the screen.  My enthusiasm for the program has waned significantly.

Rich De Steno

On 8/25/2016 7:50 AM, Carlos wrote:
> I have no idea what they mean by minimal, but I would still be cautious.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno" <ironrock@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
>
>
>> I did some research on this issue of CD Burner XP wanting to install
>> additional software.  The nasty addition is apparently Open Candy,
>> which is generally considered malware.  However, if you move down
>> lower on the CD Burner XP download page, there is an option for "more
>> downloads" or words to that effect.  On that page, you are offered
>> several other options, including the program "without core
>> installer".  It is still an "exe" installation file, but it ends with
>> the word "minimal".  I infer that this means it does not have the
>> Open Candy junk in it.
>>
>> Rich De Steno
>>
>> On 8/25/2016 7:25 AM, Carlos wrote:
>>> You can either download the portable version
>>> https://download.cdburnerxp.se/portable/
>>> which does not include promotional software or you can try AnyBurn
>>> http://www.anyburn.com/
>>> which is only distributed as a portable archive.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
>>> <ironrock@...>
>>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:04 AM
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
>>>
>>>
>>>> I downloaded the installation file for CD Burner XP directly from
>>>> the home page, but the installation process states that it will
>>>> install additional software for my computer.  I do not hear any way
>>>> of not accepting or unchecking anything on that screen, it offers
>>>> only "next" or "cancel".  As a result, I cancelled.  Does anyone
>>>> know what this other software is or if there is a way to decline
>>>> this offer? Alternatively, is there another free CD-burning program
>>>> that does not install other junk?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rich De Steno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

Edmond Nazarian <gocloud84@...>
 

Yes. Actually I look on B&H first for such needs first. Let's see.

On 8/25/2016 6:39 AM, Carlos wrote:
I would shop around before purchasing. Some of these devices do not
have good ratings.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io"
<gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


Thanks! Will take a look. Yes. something like that.

On 8/25/2016 6:34 AM, Carlos wrote:
Perhaps something like this?
https://www.amazon.com/Powered-Slide-out-Touch-Screen-Monitor/dp/B002QFP4Z8

I see a few of these on Amazon.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


So basically you are looking for a dedicated tablet sized device which
can act as a touch screen for a desktop. I haven't personally seen
anything quite like that, but I would be surprised if it didn't exist
somewhere.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io"
<gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


Sorry for that.
I want to have touch cursor, on a touch screen, by purchasing a
hardware ever than a touch screen-enabled computer monitor. And
because I want to use Narrator with it during Windows setup also, it
should not depend on iPhone or an app that require prior setup.
Something like a physical TouchPad. Sorry if I am not clear yet...

On 8/25/2016 5:59 AM, Carlos wrote:
I guess I don't understand exactly what you are looking for.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io"
<gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


Yes. Seams there's no way. I think I should research a monitor.

On 8/25/2016 5:40 AM, Carlos wrote:
I don't know. I have seen similar apps such as iDisplay,
http://getidisplay.com/
but I have no experience with them.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io"
<gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software


Sorry for being off-topic, but I am looking to have it on my
desktop,
without having to buy a touch screen monitor. Any possibility?
Yes, I
know about apps like DuetDisplay, but you probably know what I
want.

On 8/25/2016 5:28 AM, Carlos wrote:
Good thought. Using the touch cursor does seem to work.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:20 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

I've seen references to a relatively new feature in JAWS,
intended
to allow JAWS to work with touch screens. This feature has
been
described as the JAWS equivalent to object navigation in
NVDA. I
wonder if that feature would provide access. Certainly,
access is
not available by such means as the JAWS cursor.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:12 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

Yes, it seems that it is possible to access the radio
buttons with
NVDA, but not with JAWS as far as I can tell.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:07 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install
other
Software

They do provide such information along with the
ability to
decline. This information is clearly present for sighted
users. It appears they may go much farther than
companies in
general to avoid the user unintentionally installing the
third
party programs.

I can read the screen in CDburnXP where a program is
offered. I
don't know if there are other screens offering more
programs. I
didn't go further. But NVDA, when working with object
navigation, does give access to the installation
information and
the radio buttons for install or don't install. I am not
assuming that this is the case in general, but in the one
instance I saw, do not install was the radio button
selected by
default. As far as I know, this is quite unusual.
But my
point
is that this company may be going far beyond what is
generally
done by companies to allow people to not inadvertently
install
additional software. If so, this is a commendable and
unusual
position.

Don't assume that problems are intentional with no
evidence.
they may just as likely be accessibility issues.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rich De Steno <mailto:ironrock@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:55 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install
other
Software

Yeah, right, the sneaky creeps. They could have at least
identified
what they intended to install and offered a method of
declining
it on
the screen. My enthusiasm for the program has waned
significantly.

Rich De Steno

On 8/25/2016 7:50 AM, Carlos wrote:
> I have no idea what they mean by minimal, but I would
still be
cautious.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
<ironrock@... <mailto:ironrock@...>>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>>
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install
other
Software
>
>
>> I did some research on this issue of CD Burner XP
wanting to
install
>> additional software. The nasty addition is
apparently Open
Candy,
>> which is generally considered malware. However, if
you
move
down
>> lower on the CD Burner XP download page, there is an
option
for "more
>> downloads" or words to that effect. On that page,
you are
offered
>> several other options, including the program "without
core
>> installer". It is still an "exe" installation file,
but it
ends with
>> the word "minimal". I infer that this means it
does not
have
the
>> Open Candy junk in it.
>>
>> Rich De Steno
>>
>> On 8/25/2016 7:25 AM, Carlos wrote:
>>> You can either download the portable version
>>> https://download.cdburnerxp.se/portable/
>>> which does not include promotional software or you
can try
AnyBurn
>>> http://www.anyburn.com/
>>> which is only distributed as a portable archive.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
>>> <ironrock@... <mailto:ironrock@...>>
>>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:04 AM
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install
other
Software
>>>
>>>
>>>> I downloaded the installation file for CD Burner XP
directly from
>>>> the home page, but the installation process states
that it
will
>>>> install additional software for my computer. I
do not
hear
any way
>>>> of not accepting or unchecking anything on that
screen, it
offers
>>>> only "next" or "cancel". As a result, I cancelled.
Does
anyone
>>>> know what this other software is or if there is a
way to
decline
>>>> this offer? Alternatively, is there another free
CD-burning
program
>>>> that does not install other junk?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rich De Steno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>












Re: CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

Edmond Nazarian <gocloud84@...>
 

No you do not have to. Just use Shift+NumPad Plus to enable it.

On 8/25/2016 6:46 AM, Dave Mitchel wrote:
to use the touch cursor do you have to have a touch screen?
it almost sounds as though having the touch screen is not needed if you
can tab through and activate various buttons.
Dave

*From:* Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:28 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

Good thought. Using the touch cursor does seem to work.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:20 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

I've seen references to a relatively new feature in JAWS, intended
to allow JAWS to work with touch screens. This feature has been
described as the JAWS equivalent to object navigation in NVDA. I
wonder if that feature would provide access. Certainly, access is
not available by such means as the JAWS cursor.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:12 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

Yes, it seems that it is possible to access the radio buttons with
NVDA, but not with JAWS as far as I can tell.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:07 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

They do provide such information along with the ability to
decline. This information is clearly present for sighted
users. It appears they may go much farther than companies in
general to avoid the user unintentionally installing the third
party programs.

I can read the screen in CDburnXP where a program is offered. I
don't know if there are other screens offering more programs. I
didn't go further. But NVDA, when working with object
navigation, does give access to the installation information and
the radio buttons for install or don't install. I am not
assuming that this is the case in general, but in the one
instance I saw, do not install was the radio button selected by
default. As far as I know, this is quite unusual. But my point
is that this company may be going far beyond what is generally
done by companies to allow people to not inadvertently install
additional software. If so, this is a commendable and unusual
position.

Don't assume that problems are intentional with no evidence.
they may just as likely be accessibility issues.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rich De Steno <mailto:ironrock@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:55 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

Yeah, right, the sneaky creeps. They could have at least
identified
what they intended to install and offered a method of declining
it on
the screen. My enthusiasm for the program has waned significantly.

Rich De Steno

On 8/25/2016 7:50 AM, Carlos wrote:
> I have no idea what they mean by minimal, but I would still be
cautious.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
<ironrock@... <mailto:ironrock@...>>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>>
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software
>
>
>> I did some research on this issue of CD Burner XP wanting to
install
>> additional software. The nasty addition is apparently Open
Candy,
>> which is generally considered malware. However, if you move
down
>> lower on the CD Burner XP download page, there is an option
for "more
>> downloads" or words to that effect. On that page, you are
offered
>> several other options, including the program "without core
>> installer". It is still an "exe" installation file, but it
ends with
>> the word "minimal". I infer that this means it does not have
the
>> Open Candy junk in it.
>>
>> Rich De Steno
>>
>> On 8/25/2016 7:25 AM, Carlos wrote:
>>> You can either download the portable version
>>> https://download.cdburnerxp.se/portable/
>>> which does not include promotional software or you can try
AnyBurn
>>> http://www.anyburn.com/
>>> which is only distributed as a portable archive.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
>>> <ironrock@... <mailto:ironrock@...>>
>>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:04 AM
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
>>>
>>>
>>>> I downloaded the installation file for CD Burner XP
directly from
>>>> the home page, but the installation process states that it
will
>>>> install additional software for my computer. I do not hear
any way
>>>> of not accepting or unchecking anything on that screen, it
offers
>>>> only "next" or "cancel". As a result, I cancelled. Does
anyone
>>>> know what this other software is or if there is a way to
decline
>>>> this offer? Alternatively, is there another free CD-burning
program
>>>> that does not install other junk?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rich De Steno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

Dave Mitchel
 

to use the touch cursor do you have to have a touch screen?
it almost sounds as though having the touch screen is not needed if you can tab through and activate various buttons.
Dave
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
Good thought.  Using the touch cursor does seem to work.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
I've seen references to a relatively new feature in JAWS, intended to allow JAWS to work with touch screens.  This feature has been described as the JAWS equivalent to object navigation in NVDA.  I wonder if that feature would provide access.  Certainly, access is not available by such means as the JAWS cursor.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
Yes, it seems that it is possible to access the radio buttons with NVDA, but not with JAWS as far as I can tell.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
They do provide such information along with the ability to decline.  This information is clearly present for sighted users.  It appears they may go much farther than companies in general to avoid the user unintentionally installing the third party programs. 
 
I can read the screen in CDburnXP where a program is offered.  I don't know if there are other screens offering more programs.  I didn't go further.  But NVDA, when working with object navigation, does give access to the installation information and the radio buttons for install or don't install.  I am not assuming that this is the case in general, but in the one instance I saw, do not install was the radio button selected by default.  As far as I know, this is quite unusual.  But my point is that this company may be going far beyond what is generally done by companies to allow people to not inadvertently install additional software.  If so, this is a commendable and unusual position. 
 
Don't assume that problems are intentional with no evidence.  they may just as likely be accessibility issues.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
 
Yeah, right, the sneaky creeps.  They could have at least identified
what they intended to install and offered a method of declining it on
the screen.  My enthusiasm for the program has waned significantly.

Rich De Steno

On 8/25/2016 7:50 AM, Carlos wrote:
> I have no idea what they mean by minimal, but I would still be cautious.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno" <ironrock@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
>
>
>> I did some research on this issue of CD Burner XP wanting to install
>> additional software.  The nasty addition is apparently Open Candy,
>> which is generally considered malware.  However, if you move down
>> lower on the CD Burner XP download page, there is an option for "more
>> downloads" or words to that effect.  On that page, you are offered
>> several other options, including the program "without core
>> installer".  It is still an "exe" installation file, but it ends with
>> the word "minimal".  I infer that this means it does not have the
>> Open Candy junk in it.
>>
>> Rich De Steno
>>
>> On 8/25/2016 7:25 AM, Carlos wrote:
>>> You can either download the portable version
>>> https://download.cdburnerxp.se/portable/
>>> which does not include promotional software or you can try AnyBurn
>>> http://www.anyburn.com/
>>> which is only distributed as a portable archive.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
>>> <ironrock@...>
>>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:04 AM
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software
>>>
>>>
>>>> I downloaded the installation file for CD Burner XP directly from
>>>> the home page, but the installation process states that it will
>>>> install additional software for my computer.  I do not hear any way
>>>> of not accepting or unchecking anything on that screen, it offers
>>>> only "next" or "cancel".  As a result, I cancelled.  Does anyone
>>>> know what this other software is or if there is a way to decline
>>>> this offer? Alternatively, is there another free CD-burning program
>>>> that does not install other junk?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rich De Steno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

Carlos
 

I would shop around before purchasing. Some of these devices do not have good ratings.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io" <gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


Thanks! Will take a look. Yes. something like that.

On 8/25/2016 6:34 AM, Carlos wrote:
Perhaps something like this?
https://www.amazon.com/Powered-Slide-out-Touch-Screen-Monitor/dp/B002QFP4Z8
I see a few of these on Amazon.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


So basically you are looking for a dedicated tablet sized device which
can act as a touch screen for a desktop. I haven't personally seen
anything quite like that, but I would be surprised if it didn't exist
somewhere.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io"
<gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


Sorry for that.
I want to have touch cursor, on a touch screen, by purchasing a
hardware ever than a touch screen-enabled computer monitor. And
because I want to use Narrator with it during Windows setup also, it
should not depend on iPhone or an app that require prior setup.
Something like a physical TouchPad. Sorry if I am not clear yet...

On 8/25/2016 5:59 AM, Carlos wrote:
I guess I don't understand exactly what you are looking for.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io"
<gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


Yes. Seams there's no way. I think I should research a monitor.

On 8/25/2016 5:40 AM, Carlos wrote:
I don't know. I have seen similar apps such as iDisplay,
http://getidisplay.com/
but I have no experience with them.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io"
<gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


Sorry for being off-topic, but I am looking to have it on my
desktop,
without having to buy a touch screen monitor. Any possibility?
Yes, I
know about apps like DuetDisplay, but you probably know what I want.

On 8/25/2016 5:28 AM, Carlos wrote:
Good thought. Using the touch cursor does seem to work.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:20 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

I've seen references to a relatively new feature in JAWS,
intended
to allow JAWS to work with touch screens. This feature has
been
described as the JAWS equivalent to object navigation in
NVDA. I
wonder if that feature would provide access. Certainly,
access is
not available by such means as the JAWS cursor.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:12 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

Yes, it seems that it is possible to access the radio
buttons with
NVDA, but not with JAWS as far as I can tell.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:07 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install
other
Software

They do provide such information along with the ability to
decline. This information is clearly present for sighted
users. It appears they may go much farther than
companies in
general to avoid the user unintentionally installing the
third
party programs.

I can read the screen in CDburnXP where a program is
offered. I
don't know if there are other screens offering more
programs. I
didn't go further. But NVDA, when working with object
navigation, does give access to the installation
information and
the radio buttons for install or don't install. I am not
assuming that this is the case in general, but in the one
instance I saw, do not install was the radio button
selected by
default. As far as I know, this is quite unusual. But my
point
is that this company may be going far beyond what is
generally
done by companies to allow people to not inadvertently
install
additional software. If so, this is a commendable and
unusual
position.

Don't assume that problems are intentional with no
evidence.
they may just as likely be accessibility issues.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rich De Steno <mailto:ironrock@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:55 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install
other
Software

Yeah, right, the sneaky creeps. They could have at least
identified
what they intended to install and offered a method of
declining
it on
the screen. My enthusiasm for the program has waned
significantly.

Rich De Steno

On 8/25/2016 7:50 AM, Carlos wrote:
> I have no idea what they mean by minimal, but I would
still be
cautious.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
<ironrock@... <mailto:ironrock@...>>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>>
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install
other
Software
>
>
>> I did some research on this issue of CD Burner XP
wanting to
install
>> additional software. The nasty addition is
apparently Open
Candy,
>> which is generally considered malware. However, if you
move
down
>> lower on the CD Burner XP download page, there is an
option
for "more
>> downloads" or words to that effect. On that page,
you are
offered
>> several other options, including the program "without
core
>> installer". It is still an "exe" installation file,
but it
ends with
>> the word "minimal". I infer that this means it does
not
have
the
>> Open Candy junk in it.
>>
>> Rich De Steno
>>
>> On 8/25/2016 7:25 AM, Carlos wrote:
>>> You can either download the portable version
>>> https://download.cdburnerxp.se/portable/
>>> which does not include promotional software or you
can try
AnyBurn
>>> http://www.anyburn.com/
>>> which is only distributed as a portable archive.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
>>> <ironrock@... <mailto:ironrock@...>>
>>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:04 AM
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install
other
Software
>>>
>>>
>>>> I downloaded the installation file for CD Burner XP
directly from
>>>> the home page, but the installation process states
that it
will
>>>> install additional software for my computer. I do
not
hear
any way
>>>> of not accepting or unchecking anything on that
screen, it
offers
>>>> only "next" or "cancel". As a result, I cancelled.
Does
anyone
>>>> know what this other software is or if there is a
way to
decline
>>>> this offer? Alternatively, is there another free
CD-burning
program
>>>> that does not install other junk?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rich De Steno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>










Re: CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

Edmond Nazarian <gocloud84@...>
 

Thanks! Will take a look. Yes. something like that.

On 8/25/2016 6:34 AM, Carlos wrote:
Perhaps something like this?
https://www.amazon.com/Powered-Slide-out-Touch-Screen-Monitor/dp/B002QFP4Z8
I see a few of these on Amazon.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


So basically you are looking for a dedicated tablet sized device which
can act as a touch screen for a desktop. I haven't personally seen
anything quite like that, but I would be surprised if it didn't exist
somewhere.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io"
<gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


Sorry for that.
I want to have touch cursor, on a touch screen, by purchasing a
hardware ever than a touch screen-enabled computer monitor. And
because I want to use Narrator with it during Windows setup also, it
should not depend on iPhone or an app that require prior setup.
Something like a physical TouchPad. Sorry if I am not clear yet...

On 8/25/2016 5:59 AM, Carlos wrote:
I guess I don't understand exactly what you are looking for.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io"
<gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


Yes. Seams there's no way. I think I should research a monitor.

On 8/25/2016 5:40 AM, Carlos wrote:
I don't know. I have seen similar apps such as iDisplay,
http://getidisplay.com/
but I have no experience with them.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io"
<gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


Sorry for being off-topic, but I am looking to have it on my
desktop,
without having to buy a touch screen monitor. Any possibility?
Yes, I
know about apps like DuetDisplay, but you probably know what I want.

On 8/25/2016 5:28 AM, Carlos wrote:
Good thought. Using the touch cursor does seem to work.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:20 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

I've seen references to a relatively new feature in JAWS,
intended
to allow JAWS to work with touch screens. This feature has
been
described as the JAWS equivalent to object navigation in
NVDA. I
wonder if that feature would provide access. Certainly,
access is
not available by such means as the JAWS cursor.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:12 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

Yes, it seems that it is possible to access the radio
buttons with
NVDA, but not with JAWS as far as I can tell.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:07 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install
other
Software

They do provide such information along with the ability to
decline. This information is clearly present for sighted
users. It appears they may go much farther than
companies in
general to avoid the user unintentionally installing the
third
party programs.

I can read the screen in CDburnXP where a program is
offered. I
don't know if there are other screens offering more
programs. I
didn't go further. But NVDA, when working with object
navigation, does give access to the installation
information and
the radio buttons for install or don't install. I am not
assuming that this is the case in general, but in the one
instance I saw, do not install was the radio button
selected by
default. As far as I know, this is quite unusual. But my
point
is that this company may be going far beyond what is
generally
done by companies to allow people to not inadvertently
install
additional software. If so, this is a commendable and
unusual
position.

Don't assume that problems are intentional with no
evidence.
they may just as likely be accessibility issues.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rich De Steno <mailto:ironrock@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:55 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install
other
Software

Yeah, right, the sneaky creeps. They could have at least
identified
what they intended to install and offered a method of
declining
it on
the screen. My enthusiasm for the program has waned
significantly.

Rich De Steno

On 8/25/2016 7:50 AM, Carlos wrote:
> I have no idea what they mean by minimal, but I would
still be
cautious.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
<ironrock@... <mailto:ironrock@...>>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>>
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install
other
Software
>
>
>> I did some research on this issue of CD Burner XP
wanting to
install
>> additional software. The nasty addition is
apparently Open
Candy,
>> which is generally considered malware. However, if you
move
down
>> lower on the CD Burner XP download page, there is an
option
for "more
>> downloads" or words to that effect. On that page,
you are
offered
>> several other options, including the program "without
core
>> installer". It is still an "exe" installation file,
but it
ends with
>> the word "minimal". I infer that this means it does not
have
the
>> Open Candy junk in it.
>>
>> Rich De Steno
>>
>> On 8/25/2016 7:25 AM, Carlos wrote:
>>> You can either download the portable version
>>> https://download.cdburnerxp.se/portable/
>>> which does not include promotional software or you
can try
AnyBurn
>>> http://www.anyburn.com/
>>> which is only distributed as a portable archive.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
>>> <ironrock@... <mailto:ironrock@...>>
>>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:04 AM
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software
>>>
>>>
>>>> I downloaded the installation file for CD Burner XP
directly from
>>>> the home page, but the installation process states
that it
will
>>>> install additional software for my computer. I do not
hear
any way
>>>> of not accepting or unchecking anything on that
screen, it
offers
>>>> only "next" or "cancel". As a result, I cancelled.
Does
anyone
>>>> know what this other software is or if there is a
way to
decline
>>>> this offer? Alternatively, is there another free
CD-burning
program
>>>> that does not install other junk?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rich De Steno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>










Re: CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

Carlos
 

Perhaps something like this?
https://www.amazon.com/Powered-Slide-out-Touch-Screen-Monitor/dp/B002QFP4Z8
I see a few of these on Amazon.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


So basically you are looking for a dedicated tablet sized device which can act as a touch screen for a desktop. I haven't personally seen anything quite like that, but I would be surprised if it didn't exist somewhere.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io" <gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


Sorry for that.
I want to have touch cursor, on a touch screen, by purchasing a hardware ever than a touch screen-enabled computer monitor. And because I want to use Narrator with it during Windows setup also, it should not depend on iPhone or an app that require prior setup.
Something like a physical TouchPad. Sorry if I am not clear yet...

On 8/25/2016 5:59 AM, Carlos wrote:
I guess I don't understand exactly what you are looking for.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io"
<gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


Yes. Seams there's no way. I think I should research a monitor.

On 8/25/2016 5:40 AM, Carlos wrote:
I don't know. I have seen similar apps such as iDisplay,
http://getidisplay.com/
but I have no experience with them.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io"
<gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


Sorry for being off-topic, but I am looking to have it on my desktop,
without having to buy a touch screen monitor. Any possibility? Yes, I
know about apps like DuetDisplay, but you probably know what I want.

On 8/25/2016 5:28 AM, Carlos wrote:
Good thought. Using the touch cursor does seem to work.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:20 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

I've seen references to a relatively new feature in JAWS, intended
to allow JAWS to work with touch screens. This feature has been
described as the JAWS equivalent to object navigation in NVDA. I
wonder if that feature would provide access. Certainly, access is
not available by such means as the JAWS cursor.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:12 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

Yes, it seems that it is possible to access the radio buttons with
NVDA, but not with JAWS as far as I can tell.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:07 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

They do provide such information along with the ability to
decline. This information is clearly present for sighted
users. It appears they may go much farther than companies in
general to avoid the user unintentionally installing the third
party programs.

I can read the screen in CDburnXP where a program is
offered. I
don't know if there are other screens offering more
programs. I
didn't go further. But NVDA, when working with object
navigation, does give access to the installation
information and
the radio buttons for install or don't install. I am not
assuming that this is the case in general, but in the one
instance I saw, do not install was the radio button
selected by
default. As far as I know, this is quite unusual. But my
point
is that this company may be going far beyond what is generally
done by companies to allow people to not inadvertently install
additional software. If so, this is a commendable and unusual
position.

Don't assume that problems are intentional with no evidence.
they may just as likely be accessibility issues.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rich De Steno <mailto:ironrock@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:55 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

Yeah, right, the sneaky creeps. They could have at least
identified
what they intended to install and offered a method of
declining
it on
the screen. My enthusiasm for the program has waned
significantly.

Rich De Steno

On 8/25/2016 7:50 AM, Carlos wrote:
> I have no idea what they mean by minimal, but I would
still be
cautious.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
<ironrock@... <mailto:ironrock@...>>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>>
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install
other
Software
>
>
>> I did some research on this issue of CD Burner XP
wanting to
install
>> additional software. The nasty addition is apparently
Open
Candy,
>> which is generally considered malware. However, if you
move
down
>> lower on the CD Burner XP download page, there is an
option
for "more
>> downloads" or words to that effect. On that page, you
are
offered
>> several other options, including the program "without
core
>> installer". It is still an "exe" installation file, but
it
ends with
>> the word "minimal". I infer that this means it does not
have
the
>> Open Candy junk in it.
>>
>> Rich De Steno
>>
>> On 8/25/2016 7:25 AM, Carlos wrote:
>>> You can either download the portable version
>>> https://download.cdburnerxp.se/portable/
>>> which does not include promotional software or you can
try
AnyBurn
>>> http://www.anyburn.com/
>>> which is only distributed as a portable archive.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
>>> <ironrock@... <mailto:ironrock@...>>
>>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:04 AM
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software
>>>
>>>
>>>> I downloaded the installation file for CD Burner XP
directly from
>>>> the home page, but the installation process states
that it
will
>>>> install additional software for my computer. I do not
hear
any way
>>>> of not accepting or unchecking anything on that
screen, it
offers
>>>> only "next" or "cancel". As a result, I cancelled.
Does
anyone
>>>> know what this other software is or if there is a way
to
decline
>>>> this offer? Alternatively, is there another free
CD-burning
program
>>>> that does not install other junk?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rich De Steno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>








Re: avast!

Pamela Dominguez
 

I got rid of it too, because it would not talk to me at all. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 12:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] avast!

I'll try, but it ain't speech friendly. :)
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 22:20:51 -0500
"Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:

Evidently, you didn't register it. Rather than uninstalling it, if you register it, it will protect your system for a year. You have to register it every year. Avast has a reputation as one of the best free programs.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 10:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] avast!


Hi. I cannot un-install AVAST, free antivirus. Why to I want too?
because after x days, it has stopped protecting my system, and it
expects interaction which it shouldn't if it were free.
how do I un-install, even tried revo un-installer, and it is still on my
system bugging me! Still in my system tray saying that my system is
unprotected.
What a crock of . . . .
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA









-----
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2016.0.7752 / Virus Database: 4649/12873 - Release Date: 08/24/16


Re: CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software

Carlos
 

So basically you are looking for a dedicated tablet sized device which can act as a touch screen for a desktop. I haven't personally seen anything quite like that, but I would be surprised if it didn't exist somewhere.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io" <gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


Sorry for that.
I want to have touch cursor, on a touch screen, by purchasing a hardware ever than a touch screen-enabled computer monitor. And because I want to use Narrator with it during Windows setup also, it should not depend on iPhone or an app that require prior setup.
Something like a physical TouchPad. Sorry if I am not clear yet...

On 8/25/2016 5:59 AM, Carlos wrote:
I guess I don't understand exactly what you are looking for.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io"
<gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


Yes. Seams there's no way. I think I should research a monitor.

On 8/25/2016 5:40 AM, Carlos wrote:
I don't know. I have seen similar apps such as iDisplay,
http://getidisplay.com/
but I have no experience with them.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmond Nazarian via Groups.io"
<gocloud84=aol.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other Software


Sorry for being off-topic, but I am looking to have it on my desktop,
without having to buy a touch screen monitor. Any possibility? Yes, I
know about apps like DuetDisplay, but you probably know what I want.

On 8/25/2016 5:28 AM, Carlos wrote:
Good thought. Using the touch cursor does seem to work.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:20 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

I've seen references to a relatively new feature in JAWS, intended
to allow JAWS to work with touch screens. This feature has been
described as the JAWS equivalent to object navigation in NVDA. I
wonder if that feature would provide access. Certainly, access is
not available by such means as the JAWS cursor.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:12 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

Yes, it seems that it is possible to access the radio buttons with
NVDA, but not with JAWS as far as I can tell.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:07 AM
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

They do provide such information along with the ability to
decline. This information is clearly present for sighted
users. It appears they may go much farther than companies in
general to avoid the user unintentionally installing the third
party programs.

I can read the screen in CDburnXP where a program is
offered. I
don't know if there are other screens offering more
programs. I
didn't go further. But NVDA, when working with object
navigation, does give access to the installation
information and
the radio buttons for install or don't install. I am not
assuming that this is the case in general, but in the one
instance I saw, do not install was the radio button
selected by
default. As far as I know, this is quite unusual. But my
point
is that this company may be going far beyond what is generally
done by companies to allow people to not inadvertently install
additional software. If so, this is a commendable and unusual
position.

Don't assume that problems are intentional with no evidence.
they may just as likely be accessibility issues.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rich De Steno <mailto:ironrock@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:55 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software

Yeah, right, the sneaky creeps. They could have at least
identified
what they intended to install and offered a method of
declining
it on
the screen. My enthusiasm for the program has waned
significantly.

Rich De Steno

On 8/25/2016 7:50 AM, Carlos wrote:
> I have no idea what they mean by minimal, but I would
still be
cautious.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
<ironrock@... <mailto:ironrock@...>>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>>
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software
>
>
>> I did some research on this issue of CD Burner XP
wanting to
install
>> additional software. The nasty addition is apparently
Open
Candy,
>> which is generally considered malware. However, if you
move
down
>> lower on the CD Burner XP download page, there is an
option
for "more
>> downloads" or words to that effect. On that page, you are
offered
>> several other options, including the program "without core
>> installer". It is still an "exe" installation file, but
it
ends with
>> the word "minimal". I infer that this means it does not
have
the
>> Open Candy junk in it.
>>
>> Rich De Steno
>>
>> On 8/25/2016 7:25 AM, Carlos wrote:
>>> You can either download the portable version
>>> https://download.cdburnerxp.se/portable/
>>> which does not include promotional software or you can
try
AnyBurn
>>> http://www.anyburn.com/
>>> which is only distributed as a portable archive.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"
>>> <ironrock@... <mailto:ironrock@...>>
>>> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:04 AM
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] CD Burner XP Wants to Install other
Software
>>>
>>>
>>>> I downloaded the installation file for CD Burner XP
directly from
>>>> the home page, but the installation process states
that it
will
>>>> install additional software for my computer. I do not
hear
any way
>>>> of not accepting or unchecking anything on that
screen, it
offers
>>>> only "next" or "cancel". As a result, I cancelled.
Does
anyone
>>>> know what this other software is or if there is a way to
decline
>>>> this offer? Alternatively, is there another free
CD-burning
program
>>>> that does not install other junk?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rich De Steno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: avast!

Pamela Dominguez
 

There is supposed to be some kind of Avast removal tool. I guess you have to get it from their website. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] avast!

Hi. I cannot un-install AVAST, free antivirus. Why to I want too?
because after x days, it has stopped protecting my system, and it
expects interaction which it shouldn't if it were free.
how do I un-install, even tried revo un-installer, and it is still on my
system bugging me! Still in my system tray saying that my system is
unprotected.
What a crock of . . . .
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA







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No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2016.0.7752 / Virus Database: 4649/12873 - Release Date: 08/24/16