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Re: HP4000K keyboard

Gary Bowers <gdbowers@...>
 

Hi Curtis,

I don't know where the keys are, but I found out that you must hold down the
FN key to use the numeric keypad with that model.

You do have a one year warranty with HP that includes phone support.

Hopefully someone else can be more helpful.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 12:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi all. I just bought and am using a HP4000K bluetooth keyboard, which will
work with either the windows or mac OS. I really like it except one tghing;
I can't find the home / end, insert / delete keys. The keyboard has 2
windows' keys on each side of the respective alt keys, and the function key
which makes a lot of the home keys into number keys is next to left hand
control, but I haven't yet found "delete" or "insert.
Reading the book is a bit daunting since the obvious picture is not there
for a blind person and since I can't see at all, I wonder if someone has a
quick solution to my issue, the function key plus which key or, what? The
f2-f12 keys seem to be above the number row. It is a nice little keyboard
and easy to type on, just need that insert / delete key function. :) I just
bought the same keyboard from Amazon which blind bargains had advertised for
just a dollar more for the taxes, and I got it in one day, so check your
Amazon to see if the same items are available there for just the sales' tax
added and 2-day shipping for prime members means you'll receive it faster
than on that web site which charged just the
$14.99 which I paid plus my California sales' tax. :)---- Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA


Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

This was the idea behind the Pearl camera and such, right? This camera takes a snapshot of the textbook page or pages then quickly renders them. I used one, and I'm still iffy about it since its quite a sizeable contraction, and while fast at scanning and rendering OCR, it does not increase accuracy.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 8:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

But again the device you are describing already exists. A scanner with a document feeder. It is simply that no document feeder I am aware of has yet been developed which can scan a book without breaking the binding. That is not to say such a system may not some day be developed,but if it were easily doable with current technology, it would most likely have already been done.
I do vaguely remember reading about a system that did not require breaking the binding, but I don't remember the specifics at the moment.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market


Hi Carlos,
Could you elaborate on 'typical factors' that can adversely affect
scanning? Just wondering...
Gene,
I do not have a flatbed scanner of my own, but in the institution
which allows me to use their resources, there is one scanner big
enough to accomodate two pages at once, but the remaining two or three
aren't big enough. What is a book scanner though, and how is it
different and more advantageous than a flatbed scanner? I am
particularly novice when it comes to OCR and scanners mostly due to
inexperience (my mom does most of the basic scanning, OCRing and
proofreading work for me)...
The device I am conceptualizing may be somewhat restrictive in its
usage cases and possibly expensive, but I expect that many large scale
accessible book conversion organisations (big ones like Bookshare and
smaller ones too) would be interested in such a device. An analogy I
could give is Braille printing houses willing to invest in powerful
and pricey Braille embossers.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
That doesn't sound practical to me. I don't know if it's possible,
but it sounds as thogh it would be aimed at such a small market that
it would be prohibitively expensive. I don't know if any places like
Google have some sort of automated system but again, if so, I would
expect it to be prohibitibely expensive. Also, a lot of the problems
you are discussing would either disappear or be greatly reduced if
you had a book scanner instead of a typical flat bet scanner. You
wouldn't damage the binding and pages would be properly aligned. On
flat bed scanners, it is much easier to scan two pages at once. Why
are you scanning one at a time using a flatbed scanner? If your OCR
program is set up properly, it will produce two separate pages if you
scan in this way, but you have to have your program set up to do
this.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic
document feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all
pages are separate from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen
read market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or
two ago, when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school
student about our common computer science aspirations and how
assistive technology could be improved. Since then, I was trying to
identify some evident challenges that I faced and could be seemingly
readily enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine
and scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning
adjusts the book so that the contents of the respective page come in
completely and not partially, and bits of other pages don't get
intertwined. This adjustion is prone to human errors, and OCR
results may be significantly dteriorated by man's imperfection, and
this may sometimes be a very irksome and laborious process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is
put, it automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as
opposed to the other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in
scanning focus, and automatically turning pages and repeating the
previous additional checks?
If
the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
potentially massively boost scanning quality, speeds and
consequently, from a larger perspective, availability of high
quality electronic format accessible reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I
have used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell
them for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i
thought I would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@valtdnet.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come
only with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy
FineReader using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I
do, I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one
for an extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09







--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09



--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09



Re: HP4000K keyboard

Pamela Dominguez
 

I can tell you that that doesn't fully work if you are using window eyes. There are some keys on my laptop it won't tell me. In fact, when I press those keys, it jumps out of training mode. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi, if you are using jaws just put the keyboard in training mode and go thru
the keys. It should tell you the delete key when you tap it. it does on my.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 1:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi all. I just bought and am using a HP4000K bluetooth keyboard, which will
work with either the windows or mac OS. I really like it except one tghing;
I can't find the home / end, insert / delete keys. The keyboard has 2
windows' keys on each side of the respective alt keys, and the function key
which makes a lot of the home keys into number keys is next to left hand
control, but I haven't yet found "delete" or "insert.
Reading the book is a bit daunting since the obvious picture is not there
for a blind person and since I can't see at all, I wonder if someone has a
quick solution to my issue, the function key plus which key or, what? The
f2-f12 keys seem to be above the number row. It is a nice little keyboard
and easy to type on, just need that insert / delete key function. :) I just
bought the same keyboard from Amazon which blind bargains had advertised for
just a dollar more for the taxes, and I got it in one day, so check your
Amazon to see if the same items are available there for just the sales' tax
added and 2-day shipping for prime members means you'll receive it faster
than on that web site which charged just the
$14.99 which I paid plus my California sales' tax. :)---- Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA










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Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

In a university environment, lots of PDF files are actually images, so scanning or rendering via OCR will yield poor content--garbage in garbage out. At times this is the nature of digital document conversion.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 8:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

I.E. Font style/size, low-contrast, discoloration in older documents, and so on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market


Hi Carlos,
Could you elaborate on 'typical factors' that can adversely affect
scanning? Just wondering...
Gene,
I do not have a flatbed scanner of my own, but in the institution
which allows me to use their resources, there is one scanner big
enough to accomodate two pages at once, but the remaining two or three
aren't big enough. What is a book scanner though, and how is it
different and more advantageous than a flatbed scanner? I am
particularly novice when it comes to OCR and scanners mostly due to
inexperience (my mom does most of the basic scanning, OCRing and
proofreading work for me)...
The device I am conceptualizing may be somewhat restrictive in its
usage cases and possibly expensive, but I expect that many large scale
accessible book conversion organisations (big ones like Bookshare and
smaller ones too) would be interested in such a device. An analogy I
could give is Braille printing houses willing to invest in powerful
and pricey Braille embossers.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
That doesn't sound practical to me. I don't know if it's possible,
but it sounds as thogh it would be aimed at such a small market that
it would be prohibitively expensive. I don't know if any places like
Google have some sort of automated system but again, if so, I would
expect it to be prohibitibely expensive. Also, a lot of the problems
you are discussing would either disappear or be greatly reduced if
you had a book scanner instead of a typical flat bet scanner. You
wouldn't damage the binding and pages would be properly aligned. On
flat bed scanners, it is much easier to scan two pages at once. Why
are you scanning one at a time using a flatbed scanner? If your OCR
program is set up properly, it will produce two separate pages if you
scan in this way, but you have to have your program set up to do
this.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic
document feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all
pages are separate from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen
read market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or
two ago, when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school
student about our common computer science aspirations and how
assistive technology could be improved. Since then, I was trying to
identify some evident challenges that I faced and could be seemingly
readily enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine
and scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning
adjusts the book so that the contents of the respective page come in
completely and not partially, and bits of other pages don't get
intertwined. This adjustion is prone to human errors, and OCR
results may be significantly dteriorated by man's imperfection, and
this may sometimes be a very irksome and laborious process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is
put, it automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as
opposed to the other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in
scanning focus, and automatically turning pages and repeating the
previous additional checks?
If
the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
potentially massively boost scanning quality, speeds and
consequently, from a larger perspective, availability of high
quality electronic format accessible reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I
have used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell
them for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i
thought I would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@valtdnet.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come
only with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy
FineReader using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I
do, I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one
for an extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09







--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09



--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09



Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

So you're only proposing this topic as food for thought and not for any practical reasons in your current life, right?

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 7:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Hi Carlos,
Could you elaborate on 'typical factors' that can adversely affect scanning? Just wondering...
Gene,
I do not have a flatbed scanner of my own, but in the institution which allows me to use their resources, there is one scanner big enough to accomodate two pages at once, but the remaining two or three aren't big enough. What is a book scanner though, and how is it different and more advantageous than a flatbed scanner? I am particularly novice when it comes to OCR and scanners mostly due to inexperience (my mom does most of the basic scanning, OCRing and proofreading work for me)...
The device I am conceptualizing may be somewhat restrictive in its usage cases and possibly expensive, but I expect that many large scale accessible book conversion organisations (big ones like Bookshare and smaller ones too) would be interested in such a device. An analogy I could give is Braille printing houses willing to invest in powerful and pricey Braille embossers.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
That doesn't sound practical to me. I don't know if it's possible,
but it sounds as thogh it would be aimed at such a small market that
it would be prohibitively expensive. I don't know if any places like
Google have some sort of automated system but again, if so, I would
expect it to be prohibitibely expensive. Also, a lot of the problems
you are discussing would either disappear or be greatly reduced if you
had a book scanner instead of a typical flat bet scanner. You
wouldn't damage the binding and pages would be properly aligned. On
flat bed scanners, it is much easier to scan two pages at once. Why
are you scanning one at a time using a flatbed scanner? If your OCR
program is set up properly, it will produce two separate pages if you
scan in this way, but you have to have your program set up to do this.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic
document feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all
pages are separate from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or
two ago, when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school student
about our common computer science aspirations and how assistive
technology could be improved. Since then, I was trying to identify
some evident challenges that I faced and could be seemingly readily
enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine
and scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning
adjusts the book so that the contents of the respective page come in
completely and not partially, and bits of other pages don't get
intertwined. This adjustion is prone to human errors, and OCR results
may be significantly dteriorated by man's imperfection, and this may
sometimes be a very irksome and laborious process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is
put, it automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as
opposed to the other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in
scanning focus, and automatically turning pages and repeating the
previous additional checks?
If
the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
potentially massively boost scanning quality, speeds and
consequently, from a larger perspective, availability of high quality
electronic format accessible reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I
have used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell
them for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i
thought I would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@valtdnet.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come only
with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader
using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do,
I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one for an
extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09







--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09



--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Jeremy,
I understand those complexities. In fact, due to heavy use of
mathematics in academic textbooks, I wish OCR solutions could scan
those too as opposed to having to currently type it all manually.
Most of my what I am saying in this thread are far fetched desires,
that hopefully, one day will be realities...
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com> wrote:
There is more to plain text; for example diagrams, pictures, charts, graphs,
and odd symbols such as mathematical symbols including the layout of the
objects on a page.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 7:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market

The point is that without breaking the binding, automating a book scan for
improved accuracy as you described may not be easily accomplished. And even
such automation will not eliminate other typical factors which can interfere
with an accurate scan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic
document feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all
pages are separate from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or
two ago, when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school student
about our common computer science aspirations and how assistive
technology could be improved. Since then, I was trying to identify
some evident challenges that I faced and could be seemingly readily
enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine
and scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning
adjusts the book so that the contents of the respective page come in
completely and not partially, and bits of other pages don't get
intertwined. This adjustion is prone to human errors, and OCR results
may be significantly dteriorated by man's imperfection, and this may
sometimes be a very irksome and laborious process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is
put, it automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as
opposed to the other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in
scanning focus, and automatically turning pages and repeating the
previous additional checks?
If
the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
potentially massively boost scanning quality, speeds and
consequently, from a larger perspective, availability of high quality
electronic format accessible reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I
have used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell
them for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i
thought I would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@valtdnet.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come only
with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader
using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do,
I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one for an
extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09







--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09








--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Gene, When scanning a book such as a textbook, only one page will fit on the scanning surface--two page scanning is not possible in this scenario.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 7:37 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

That doesn't sound practical to me. I don't know if it's possible, but it sounds as thogh it would be aimed at such a small market that it would be prohibitively expensive. I don't know if any places like Google have some sort of automated system but again, if so, I would expect it to be prohibitibely expensive. Also, a lot of the problems you are discussing would either disappear or be greatly reduced if you had a book scanner instead of a typical flat bet scanner. You wouldn't damage the binding and pages would be properly aligned. On flat bed scanners, it is much easier to scan two pages at once. Why are you scanning one at a time using a flatbed scanner? If your OCR program is set up properly, it will produce two separate pages if you scan in this way, but you have to have your program set up to do this.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Bhavya shah <mailto:bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way, fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic
document feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all pages
are separate from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or
two ago, when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school student
about our common computer science aspirations and how assistive
technology could be improved. Since then, I was trying to identify
some evident challenges that I faced and could be seemingly readily enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine
and scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning
adjusts the book so that the contents of the respective page come in
completely and not partially, and bits of other pages don't get
intertwined. This adjustion is prone to human errors, and OCR results
may be significantly dteriorated by man's imperfection, and this may
sometimes be a very irksome and laborious process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is
put, it automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as
opposed to the other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in
scanning focus, and automatically turning pages and repeating the
previous additional checks? If the task of scanning could also be
machine automated, that could potentially massively boost scanning
quality, speeds and consequently, from a larger perspective,
availability of high quality electronic format accessible reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I have
used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell them
for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i thought I
would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@valtdnet.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come only
with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader
using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do,
I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one for an
extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09







--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

There is more to plain text; for example diagrams, pictures, charts, graphs, and odd symbols such as mathematical symbols including the layout of the objects on a page.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 7:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

The point is that without breaking the binding, automating a book scan for improved accuracy as you described may not be easily accomplished. And even such automation will not eliminate other typical factors which can interfere with an accurate scan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market


Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic
document feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all
pages are separate from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or
two ago, when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school student
about our common computer science aspirations and how assistive
technology could be improved. Since then, I was trying to identify
some evident challenges that I faced and could be seemingly readily
enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine
and scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning
adjusts the book so that the contents of the respective page come in
completely and not partially, and bits of other pages don't get
intertwined. This adjustion is prone to human errors, and OCR results
may be significantly dteriorated by man's imperfection, and this may
sometimes be a very irksome and laborious process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is
put, it automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as
opposed to the other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in
scanning focus, and automatically turning pages and repeating the
previous additional checks?
If
the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
potentially massively boost scanning quality, speeds and
consequently, from a larger perspective, availability of high quality
electronic format accessible reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I
have used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell
them for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i
thought I would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@valtdnet.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come only
with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader
using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do,
I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one for an
extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09







--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09



Re: HP4000K keyboard

Matt
 

Hi, if you are using jaws just put the keyboard in training mode and go thru
the keys. It should tell you the delete key when you tap it. it does on my.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Curtis Delzer
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 1:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] HP4000K keyboard

Hi all. I just bought and am using a HP4000K bluetooth keyboard, which will
work with either the windows or mac OS. I really like it except one tghing;
I can't find the home / end, insert / delete keys. The keyboard has 2
windows' keys on each side of the respective alt keys, and the function key
which makes a lot of the home keys into number keys is next to left hand
control, but I haven't yet found "delete" or "insert.
Reading the book is a bit daunting since the obvious picture is not there
for a blind person and since I can't see at all, I wonder if someone has a
quick solution to my issue, the function key plus which key or, what? The
f2-f12 keys seem to be above the number row. It is a nice little keyboard
and easy to type on, just need that insert / delete key function. :) I just
bought the same keyboard from Amazon which blind bargains had advertised for
just a dollar more for the taxes, and I got it in one day, so check your
Amazon to see if the same items are available there for just the sales' tax
added and 2-day shipping for prime members means you'll receive it faster
than on that web site which charged just the
$14.99 which I paid plus my California sales' tax. :)---- Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA


Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Matt
 

Well, here is some podcast of the KNFB Reader using a stand to scan and read books. I have not tried using the KNFB Reader using a stand and reading book. But it sounds like and I hear from others it works very well. See links below.

 

You Tube demo of KNFB  Reader and Book Reader

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew7Wu10BSxI

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 12:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

 

A book scanner is intended for scanning one page of a book.  You put the page you want to scan on the scanner and the half of the book you don't want to scan hangs off of the scanner.  Flatbed scanners have frames around the glass that prevent this kind of use.  It is assumed you will be scanning sheets of paper. 

 

If you scan two pages at once, whether using a flat bed or a book scanner you will damage the binding as you get closer to the end of the book.  A book scanner doesn't damage the binding because, as I said, the part of the book you are not scanning is allowed to hang down the side of the scanner.  If you are scanning the side of a book with page 29 facing down and on the glass, the side of the book with page 30, etc, is hanging down the side of the scanner.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:57 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

 

Hi Carlos,
Could you elaborate on 'typical factors' that can adversely affect
scanning? Just wondering...
Gene,
I do not have a flatbed scanner of my own, but in the institution
which allows me to use their resources, there is one scanner big
enough to accomodate two pages at once, but the remaining two or three
aren't big enough. What is a book scanner though, and how is it
different and more advantageous than a flatbed scanner? I am
particularly novice when it comes to OCR and scanners mostly due to
inexperience (my mom does most of the basic scanning, OCRing and
proofreading work for me)...
The device I am conceptualizing may be somewhat restrictive in its
usage cases and possibly expensive, but I expect that many large scale
accessible book conversion organisations (big ones like Bookshare and
smaller ones too) would be interested in such a device. An analogy I
could give is Braille printing houses willing to invest in powerful
and pricey Braille embossers.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> That doesn't sound practical to me.  I don't know if it's possible, but it
> sounds as thogh it would be aimed at such a small market that it would be
> prohibitively expensive.  I don't know if any places like Google have some
> sort of automated system but again, if so, I would expect it to be
> prohibitibely expensive.  Also, a lot of the problems you are discussing
> would either disappear or be greatly reduced if you had a book scanner
> instead of a typical flat bet scanner.  You wouldn't damage the binding and
> pages would be properly aligned.  On flat bed scanners, it is much easier to
> scan two pages at once.  Why are you scanning one at a time using a flatbed
> scanner?  If your OCR program is set up properly, it will produce two
> separate pages if you scan in this way, but you have to have your program
> set up to do this.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Bhavya shah
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:25 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
> market
>
>
> Hi Monty,
> The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
> borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
> due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
> should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
> fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
> Thanks.
>
> On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
>> Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic document
>> feeder. This requires  removing the book binding so all pages are
>> separate
>> from each other.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Bhavya shah
>> Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
>> market
>>
>> Hi,
>> This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or two
>> ago,
>> when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school student about our
>> common computer science aspirations and how assistive technology could be
>> improved. Since then, I was trying to identify some evident challenges
>> that
>> I faced and could be seemingly readily enhanced.
>> Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
>> particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine and
>> scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning adjusts
>> the
>> book so that the contents of the respective page come in completely and
>> not
>> partially, and bits of other pages don't get intertwined. This adjustion
>> is
>> prone to human errors, and OCR results may be significantly dteriorated
>> by
>> man's imperfection, and this may sometimes be a very irksome and
>> laborious
>> process.
>> Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is put,
>> it
>> automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as opposed to
>> the
>> other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in scanning focus, and
>> automatically turning pages and repeating the previous additional checks?
>> If
>> the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
>> potentially
>> massively boost scanning quality, speeds and consequently, from a larger
>> perspective, availability of high quality electronic format accessible
>> reading material.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@...> wrote:
>>> I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I have
>>> used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell them
>>> for a  while now. Because I am not using it as much as i thought I
>>> would.
>>>
>>> On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
>>> <ukekearuaro@...> wrote:
>>>> Hi Everyone:
>>>>
>>>> Anyone in the house used the EyePal?  What are your thoughts and
>>>> experiences regarding this device?  For instance, does it come only
>>>> with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader
>>>> using it?
>>>>
>>>> I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do,
>>>> I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one for an
>>>> extended period of time.  Much thanks!!
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Olusegun
>>>> Denver, Colorado
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lenron Brown
>>> Cell: 985-271-2832
>>> Skype: ron.brown762
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Warm Regards
>> Bhavya Shah
>> Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen reader
>> for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA,
>> please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla
>> G
>> second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means:
>> Mobile: +91 7506221750
>> E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
>> Skype id : bhavya.09
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Warm Regards
> Bhavya Shah
> Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
> reader for Microsoft Windows
> To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
> http://www.nvaccess.org/
> Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
> Reach me through the following means:
> Mobile: +91 7506221750
> E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
> Skype id : bhavya.09
>
>
>


--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: The Future of the Screen Reader Market

Pamela Dominguez
 

The only thing I know is that the Kurzweil files are in a different format, because they have a different file extention.  Pam.
 

Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Future of the Screen Reader Market
 
I have heard that both Kurzweil and Open Book pretty much use the Fine Reader and/or Omnipage engines, so we probably likely get the same accuracy of results as if we used either of those programs, unless Kurzweil or Open Book preprocess the images differently somehow to optimize for our specific use.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Future of the Screen Reader Market
 

The only OCR software I've used for scanning books is Abbyy FineReader; thus far, it has held up and I don't have any issues with it.  I just could not source enough funds to grab either Openbook or Kurzweil.  I don't get funding from the state, and, if I do, I shall have insisted on a purchase of Abbyy FineReader.

 

Sincerely,

Olusegun

Denver, Colorado


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HP4000K keyboard

Curtis Delzer
 

Hi all. I just bought and am using a HP4000K bluetooth keyboard, which
will work with either the windows or mac OS. I really like it except one
tghing; I can't find the home / end, insert / delete keys. The keyboard
has 2 windows' keys on each side of the respective alt keys, and the
function key which makes a lot of the home keys into number keys is next
to left hand control, but I haven't yet found "delete" or "insert.
Reading the book is a bit daunting since the obvious picture is not
there for a blind person and since I can't see at all, I wonder if
someone has a quick solution to my issue, the function key plus which
key or, what? The f2-f12 keys seem to be above the number row. It is a
nice little keyboard and easy to type on, just need that insert /
delete key function. :)
I just bought the same keyboard from Amazon which blind bargains had
advertised for just a dollar more for the taxes, and I got it in one day,
so check your Amazon to see if the same items are available there for
just the sales' tax added and 2-day shipping for prime members means
you'll receive it faster than on that web site which charged just the
$14.99 which I paid plus my California sales' tax. :)----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA


Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Gene,
Totally makes sense.
Carlos,
I will take a look at those and google for others as well. Thanks for the links.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
A book scanner is intended for scanning one page of a book. You put the
page you want to scan on the scanner and the half of the book you don't want
to scan hangs off of the scanner. Flatbed scanners have frames around the
glass that prevent this kind of use. It is assumed you will be scanning
sheets of paper.

If you scan two pages at once, whether using a flat bed or a book scanner
you will damage the binding as you get closer to the end of the book. A
book scanner doesn't damage the binding because, as I said, the part of the
book you are not scanning is allowed to hang down the side of the scanner.
If you are scanning the side of a book with page 29 facing down and on the
glass, the side of the book with page 30, etc, is hanging down the side of
the scanner.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Carlos,
Could you elaborate on 'typical factors' that can adversely affect
scanning? Just wondering...
Gene,
I do not have a flatbed scanner of my own, but in the institution
which allows me to use their resources, there is one scanner big
enough to accomodate two pages at once, but the remaining two or three
aren't big enough. What is a book scanner though, and how is it
different and more advantageous than a flatbed scanner? I am
particularly novice when it comes to OCR and scanners mostly due to
inexperience (my mom does most of the basic scanning, OCRing and
proofreading work for me)...
The device I am conceptualizing may be somewhat restrictive in its
usage cases and possibly expensive, but I expect that many large scale
accessible book conversion organisations (big ones like Bookshare and
smaller ones too) would be interested in such a device. An analogy I
could give is Braille printing houses willing to invest in powerful
and pricey Braille embossers.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
That doesn't sound practical to me. I don't know if it's possible, but
it
sounds as thogh it would be aimed at such a small market that it would be
prohibitively expensive. I don't know if any places like Google have
some
sort of automated system but again, if so, I would expect it to be
prohibitibely expensive. Also, a lot of the problems you are discussing
would either disappear or be greatly reduced if you had a book scanner
instead of a typical flat bet scanner. You wouldn't damage the binding
and
pages would be properly aligned. On flat bed scanners, it is much easier
to
scan two pages at once. Why are you scanning one at a time using a
flatbed
scanner? If your OCR program is set up properly, it will produce two
separate pages if you scan in this way, but you have to have your program
set up to do this.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic document
feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all pages are
separate
from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or two
ago,
when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school student about our
common computer science aspirations and how assistive technology could
be
improved. Since then, I was trying to identify some evident challenges
that
I faced and could be seemingly readily enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine and
scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning adjusts
the
book so that the contents of the respective page come in completely and
not
partially, and bits of other pages don't get intertwined. This adjustion
is
prone to human errors, and OCR results may be significantly dteriorated
by
man's imperfection, and this may sometimes be a very irksome and
laborious
process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is put,
it
automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as opposed to
the
other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in scanning focus, and
automatically turning pages and repeating the previous additional
checks?
If
the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
potentially
massively boost scanning quality, speeds and consequently, from a larger
perspective, availability of high quality electronic format accessible
reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I have
used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell them
for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i thought I
would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@valtdnet.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come only
with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader
using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do,
I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one for an
extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader
for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA,
please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla
G
second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09







--
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Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09



--
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Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09


--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: The Future of the Screen Reader Market

Brent Harding
 

I have heard that both Kurzweil and Open Book pretty much use the Fine Reader and/or Omnipage engines, so we probably likely get the same accuracy of results as if we used either of those programs, unless Kurzweil or Open Book preprocess the images differently somehow to optimize for our specific use.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Future of the Screen Reader Market

The only OCR software I've used for scanning books is Abbyy FineReader; thus far, it has held up and I don't have any issues with it.  I just could not source enough funds to grab either Openbook or Kurzweil.  I don't get funding from the state, and, if I do, I shall have insisted on a purchase of Abbyy FineReader.

 

Sincerely,

Olusegun

Denver, Colorado


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Gene
 

A book scanner is intended for scanning one page of a book.  You put the page you want to scan on the scanner and the half of the book you don't want to scan hangs off of the scanner.  Flatbed scanners have frames around the glass that prevent this kind of use.  It is assumed you will be scanning sheets of paper. 
 
If you scan two pages at once, whether using a flat bed or a book scanner you will damage the binding as you get closer to the end of the book.  A book scanner doesn't damage the binding because, as I said, the part of the book you are not scanning is allowed to hang down the side of the scanner.  If you are scanning the side of a book with page 29 facing down and on the glass, the side of the book with page 30, etc, is hanging down the side of the scanner.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Hi Carlos,
Could you elaborate on 'typical factors' that can adversely affect
scanning? Just wondering...
Gene,
I do not have a flatbed scanner of my own, but in the institution
which allows me to use their resources, there is one scanner big
enough to accomodate two pages at once, but the remaining two or three
aren't big enough. What is a book scanner though, and how is it
different and more advantageous than a flatbed scanner? I am
particularly novice when it comes to OCR and scanners mostly due to
inexperience (my mom does most of the basic scanning, OCRing and
proofreading work for me)...
The device I am conceptualizing may be somewhat restrictive in its
usage cases and possibly expensive, but I expect that many large scale
accessible book conversion organisations (big ones like Bookshare and
smaller ones too) would be interested in such a device. An analogy I
could give is Braille printing houses willing to invest in powerful
and pricey Braille embossers.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> That doesn't sound practical to me.  I don't know if it's possible, but it
> sounds as thogh it would be aimed at such a small market that it would be
> prohibitively expensive.  I don't know if any places like Google have some
> sort of automated system but again, if so, I would expect it to be
> prohibitibely expensive.  Also, a lot of the problems you are discussing
> would either disappear or be greatly reduced if you had a book scanner
> instead of a typical flat bet scanner.  You wouldn't damage the binding and
> pages would be properly aligned.  On flat bed scanners, it is much easier to
> scan two pages at once.  Why are you scanning one at a time using a flatbed
> scanner?  If your OCR program is set up properly, it will produce two
> separate pages if you scan in this way, but you have to have your program
> set up to do this.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Bhavya shah
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:25 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
> market
>
>
> Hi Monty,
> The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
> borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
> due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
> should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
> fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
> Thanks.
>
> On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
>> Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic document
>> feeder. This requires  removing the book binding so all pages are
>> separate
>> from each other.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Bhavya shah
>> Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
>> market
>>
>> Hi,
>> This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or two
>> ago,
>> when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school student about our
>> common computer science aspirations and how assistive technology could be
>> improved. Since then, I was trying to identify some evident challenges
>> that
>> I faced and could be seemingly readily enhanced.
>> Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
>> particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine and
>> scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning adjusts
>> the
>> book so that the contents of the respective page come in completely and
>> not
>> partially, and bits of other pages don't get intertwined. This adjustion
>> is
>> prone to human errors, and OCR results may be significantly dteriorated
>> by
>> man's imperfection, and this may sometimes be a very irksome and
>> laborious
>> process.
>> Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is put,
>> it
>> automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as opposed to
>> the
>> other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in scanning focus, and
>> automatically turning pages and repeating the previous additional checks?
>> If
>> the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
>> potentially
>> massively boost scanning quality, speeds and consequently, from a larger
>> perspective, availability of high quality electronic format accessible
>> reading material.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@...> wrote:
>>> I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I have
>>> used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell them
>>> for a  while now. Because I am not using it as much as i thought I
>>> would.
>>>
>>> On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
>>> <ukekearuaro@...> wrote:
>>>> Hi Everyone:
>>>>
>>>> Anyone in the house used the EyePal?  What are your thoughts and
>>>> experiences regarding this device?  For instance, does it come only
>>>> with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader
>>>> using it?
>>>>
>>>> I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do,
>>>> I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one for an
>>>> extended period of time.  Much thanks!!
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Olusegun
>>>> Denver, Colorado
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lenron Brown
>>> Cell: 985-271-2832
>>> Skype: ron.brown762
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Warm Regards
>> Bhavya Shah
>> Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen reader
>> for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA,
>> please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla
>> G
>> second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means:
>> Mobile: +91 7506221750
>> E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
>> Skype id : bhavya.09
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Warm Regards
> Bhavya Shah
> Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
> reader for Microsoft Windows
> To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
> http://www.nvaccess.org/
> Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
> Reach me through the following means:
> Mobile: +91 7506221750
> E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
> Skype id : bhavya.09
>
>
>


--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09



Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Carlos
 

Yes, most of the non-destructive scanning techniques seem to be fairly advanced and will probably remain expensive for now. Although the Scan Master III, one of the scanners I posted in the previous message, claims to be available for a reasonable price. I have no idea what they consider reasonable and it doesn't quote the price anywhere on the website.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market


Hi Carlos,
Thanks for the information. I sure had a feeling that such a simple
thing would already be in creation, and your information confirms that
groundless hunch of mine. :)
The approach of non-destructive scanning described there is
particularly sophisticated and inevitably pricey, but I sure hope more
affordable solutions emerge in this regard, perhaps lower prices as
these involved infra red, 3D and other technologies enhance
constitutionally, but that is mere wishing.
Upon second thought though, I wonder if these non-destructive book
scanners have even been ever experimented with OCR technology, and
their accuracy outputs, and potential considerationos for feasibility
of accomodating their prices for any significant OCRing capabilities
they improve. I would request that anyone, if ever, unsure how, if can
get their hands on such a device, just try any popular OCR program
with it and compare the results as opposed to those got on a
conventional scanner. This is a co-relatable space, and I certainly
look forward to further updates in this front.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
See what it says in this Wikipedia article in the non-destructive scanning
section.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_scanning
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


But again the device you are describing already exists. A scanner with a

document feeder. It is simply that no document feeder I am aware of has
yet been developed which can scan a book without breaking the binding.
That is not to say such a system may not some day be developed,but if it
were easily doable with current technology, it would most likely have
already been done. I do vaguely remember reading about a system that did
not require breaking the binding, but I don't remember the specifics at
the moment.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Carlos,
Could you elaborate on 'typical factors' that can adversely affect
scanning? Just wondering...
Gene,
I do not have a flatbed scanner of my own, but in the institution
which allows me to use their resources, there is one scanner big
enough to accomodate two pages at once, but the remaining two or three
aren't big enough. What is a book scanner though, and how is it
different and more advantageous than a flatbed scanner? I am
particularly novice when it comes to OCR and scanners mostly due to
inexperience (my mom does most of the basic scanning, OCRing and
proofreading work for me)...
The device I am conceptualizing may be somewhat restrictive in its
usage cases and possibly expensive, but I expect that many large scale
accessible book conversion organisations (big ones like Bookshare and
smaller ones too) would be interested in such a device. An analogy I
could give is Braille printing houses willing to invest in powerful
and pricey Braille embossers.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
That doesn't sound practical to me. I don't know if it's possible, but

it
sounds as thogh it would be aimed at such a small market that it would
be
prohibitively expensive. I don't know if any places like Google have
some
sort of automated system but again, if so, I would expect it to be
prohibitibely expensive. Also, a lot of the problems you are
discussing
would either disappear or be greatly reduced if you had a book scanner
instead of a typical flat bet scanner. You wouldn't damage the binding

and
pages would be properly aligned. On flat bed scanners, it is much
easier to
scan two pages at once. Why are you scanning one at a time using a
flatbed
scanner? If your OCR program is set up properly, it will produce two
separate pages if you scan in this way, but you have to have your
program
set up to do this.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic
document
feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all pages are
separate
from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
Of
Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or
two
ago,
when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school student about our
common computer science aspirations and how assistive technology could

be
improved. Since then, I was trying to identify some evident challenges
that
I faced and could be seemingly readily enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine
and
scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning adjusts
the
book so that the contents of the respective page come in completely
and
not
partially, and bits of other pages don't get intertwined. This
adjustion
is
prone to human errors, and OCR results may be significantly
dteriorated
by
man's imperfection, and this may sometimes be a very irksome and
laborious
process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is
put,
it
automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as opposed to
the
other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in scanning focus,
and
automatically turning pages and repeating the previous additional
checks?
If
the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
potentially
massively boost scanning quality, speeds and consequently, from a
larger
perspective, availability of high quality electronic format accessible
reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I have
used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell them
for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i thought I
would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@valtdnet.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come only
with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader
using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do,
I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one for an
extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader
for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader
NVDA,
please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on
Motorolla
G
second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09







--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09



--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09






--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Carlos
 

Here are some non-destructive document scanners I found in a quick Google search. Note, I know nothing about these scanners aside from the fact that they claim to be non-destructive.
http://www.mesltd.ca/scanning-hardware/zeta-book-scanner/
http://www.czurtek.co.uk/et16/
http://www.sma-edocument.com/products/Products/18/scan-master-3.html

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market


Hi Carlos,
Thanks for the information. I sure had a feeling that such a simple
thing would already be in creation, and your information confirms that
groundless hunch of mine. :)
The approach of non-destructive scanning described there is
particularly sophisticated and inevitably pricey, but I sure hope more
affordable solutions emerge in this regard, perhaps lower prices as
these involved infra red, 3D and other technologies enhance
constitutionally, but that is mere wishing.
Upon second thought though, I wonder if these non-destructive book
scanners have even been ever experimented with OCR technology, and
their accuracy outputs, and potential considerationos for feasibility
of accomodating their prices for any significant OCRing capabilities
they improve. I would request that anyone, if ever, unsure how, if can
get their hands on such a device, just try any popular OCR program
with it and compare the results as opposed to those got on a
conventional scanner. This is a co-relatable space, and I certainly
look forward to further updates in this front.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
See what it says in this Wikipedia article in the non-destructive scanning
section.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_scanning
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


But again the device you are describing already exists. A scanner with a

document feeder. It is simply that no document feeder I am aware of has
yet been developed which can scan a book without breaking the binding.
That is not to say such a system may not some day be developed,but if it
were easily doable with current technology, it would most likely have
already been done. I do vaguely remember reading about a system that did
not require breaking the binding, but I don't remember the specifics at
the moment.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Carlos,
Could you elaborate on 'typical factors' that can adversely affect
scanning? Just wondering...
Gene,
I do not have a flatbed scanner of my own, but in the institution
which allows me to use their resources, there is one scanner big
enough to accomodate two pages at once, but the remaining two or three
aren't big enough. What is a book scanner though, and how is it
different and more advantageous than a flatbed scanner? I am
particularly novice when it comes to OCR and scanners mostly due to
inexperience (my mom does most of the basic scanning, OCRing and
proofreading work for me)...
The device I am conceptualizing may be somewhat restrictive in its
usage cases and possibly expensive, but I expect that many large scale
accessible book conversion organisations (big ones like Bookshare and
smaller ones too) would be interested in such a device. An analogy I
could give is Braille printing houses willing to invest in powerful
and pricey Braille embossers.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
That doesn't sound practical to me. I don't know if it's possible, but

it
sounds as thogh it would be aimed at such a small market that it would
be
prohibitively expensive. I don't know if any places like Google have
some
sort of automated system but again, if so, I would expect it to be
prohibitibely expensive. Also, a lot of the problems you are
discussing
would either disappear or be greatly reduced if you had a book scanner
instead of a typical flat bet scanner. You wouldn't damage the binding

and
pages would be properly aligned. On flat bed scanners, it is much
easier to
scan two pages at once. Why are you scanning one at a time using a
flatbed
scanner? If your OCR program is set up properly, it will produce two
separate pages if you scan in this way, but you have to have your
program
set up to do this.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic
document
feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all pages are
separate
from each other.

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Of
Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or
two
ago,
when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school student about our
common computer science aspirations and how assistive technology could

be
improved. Since then, I was trying to identify some evident challenges
that
I faced and could be seemingly readily enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine
and
scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning adjusts
the
book so that the contents of the respective page come in completely
and
not
partially, and bits of other pages don't get intertwined. This
adjustion
is
prone to human errors, and OCR results may be significantly
dteriorated
by
man's imperfection, and this may sometimes be a very irksome and
laborious
process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is
put,
it
automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as opposed to
the
other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in scanning focus,
and
automatically turning pages and repeating the previous additional
checks?
If
the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
potentially
massively boost scanning quality, speeds and consequently, from a
larger
perspective, availability of high quality electronic format accessible
reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I have
used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell them
for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i thought I
would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@valtdnet.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come only
with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader
using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do,
I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one for an
extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






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Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
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reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
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--
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Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
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Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Carlos,
Thanks for the information. I sure had a feeling that such a simple
thing would already be in creation, and your information confirms that
groundless hunch of mine. :)
The approach of non-destructive scanning described there is
particularly sophisticated and inevitably pricey, but I sure hope more
affordable solutions emerge in this regard, perhaps lower prices as
these involved infra red, 3D and other technologies enhance
constitutionally, but that is mere wishing.
Upon second thought though, I wonder if these non-destructive book
scanners have even been ever experimented with OCR technology, and
their accuracy outputs, and potential considerationos for feasibility
of accomodating their prices for any significant OCRing capabilities
they improve. I would request that anyone, if ever, unsure how, if can
get their hands on such a device, just try any popular OCR program
with it and compare the results as opposed to those got on a
conventional scanner. This is a co-relatable space, and I certainly
look forward to further updates in this front.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
See what it says in this Wikipedia article in the non-destructive scanning
section.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_scanning
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


But again the device you are describing already exists. A scanner with a

document feeder. It is simply that no document feeder I am aware of has
yet been developed which can scan a book without breaking the binding.
That is not to say such a system may not some day be developed,but if it
were easily doable with current technology, it would most likely have
already been done. I do vaguely remember reading about a system that did
not require breaking the binding, but I don't remember the specifics at
the moment.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Carlos,
Could you elaborate on 'typical factors' that can adversely affect
scanning? Just wondering...
Gene,
I do not have a flatbed scanner of my own, but in the institution
which allows me to use their resources, there is one scanner big
enough to accomodate two pages at once, but the remaining two or three
aren't big enough. What is a book scanner though, and how is it
different and more advantageous than a flatbed scanner? I am
particularly novice when it comes to OCR and scanners mostly due to
inexperience (my mom does most of the basic scanning, OCRing and
proofreading work for me)...
The device I am conceptualizing may be somewhat restrictive in its
usage cases and possibly expensive, but I expect that many large scale
accessible book conversion organisations (big ones like Bookshare and
smaller ones too) would be interested in such a device. An analogy I
could give is Braille printing houses willing to invest in powerful
and pricey Braille embossers.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
That doesn't sound practical to me. I don't know if it's possible, but

it
sounds as thogh it would be aimed at such a small market that it would
be
prohibitively expensive. I don't know if any places like Google have
some
sort of automated system but again, if so, I would expect it to be
prohibitibely expensive. Also, a lot of the problems you are
discussing
would either disappear or be greatly reduced if you had a book scanner
instead of a typical flat bet scanner. You wouldn't damage the binding

and
pages would be properly aligned. On flat bed scanners, it is much
easier to
scan two pages at once. Why are you scanning one at a time using a
flatbed
scanner? If your OCR program is set up properly, it will produce two
separate pages if you scan in this way, but you have to have your
program
set up to do this.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic
document
feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all pages are
separate
from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf
Of
Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or
two
ago,
when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school student about our
common computer science aspirations and how assistive technology could

be
improved. Since then, I was trying to identify some evident challenges
that
I faced and could be seemingly readily enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine
and
scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning adjusts
the
book so that the contents of the respective page come in completely
and
not
partially, and bits of other pages don't get intertwined. This
adjustion
is
prone to human errors, and OCR results may be significantly
dteriorated
by
man's imperfection, and this may sometimes be a very irksome and
laborious
process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is
put,
it
automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as opposed to
the
other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in scanning focus,
and
automatically turning pages and repeating the previous additional
checks?
If
the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
potentially
massively boost scanning quality, speeds and consequently, from a
larger
perspective, availability of high quality electronic format accessible
reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I have
used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell them
for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i thought I
would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@valtdnet.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come only
with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader
using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do,
I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one for an
extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader
for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader
NVDA,
please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on
Motorolla
G
second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09







--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09



--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09





--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09


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Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Carlos
 

See what it says in this Wikipedia article in the non-destructive scanning section.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_scanning

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market


But again the device you are describing already exists. A scanner with a document feeder. It is simply that no document feeder I am aware of has yet been developed which can scan a book without breaking the binding. That is not to say such a system may not some day be developed,but if it were easily doable with current technology, it would most likely have already been done. I do vaguely remember reading about a system that did not require breaking the binding, but I don't remember the specifics at the moment.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market


Hi Carlos,
Could you elaborate on 'typical factors' that can adversely affect
scanning? Just wondering...
Gene,
I do not have a flatbed scanner of my own, but in the institution
which allows me to use their resources, there is one scanner big
enough to accomodate two pages at once, but the remaining two or three
aren't big enough. What is a book scanner though, and how is it
different and more advantageous than a flatbed scanner? I am
particularly novice when it comes to OCR and scanners mostly due to
inexperience (my mom does most of the basic scanning, OCRing and
proofreading work for me)...
The device I am conceptualizing may be somewhat restrictive in its
usage cases and possibly expensive, but I expect that many large scale
accessible book conversion organisations (big ones like Bookshare and
smaller ones too) would be interested in such a device. An analogy I
could give is Braille printing houses willing to invest in powerful
and pricey Braille embossers.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
That doesn't sound practical to me. I don't know if it's possible, but it
sounds as thogh it would be aimed at such a small market that it would be
prohibitively expensive. I don't know if any places like Google have some
sort of automated system but again, if so, I would expect it to be
prohibitibely expensive. Also, a lot of the problems you are discussing
would either disappear or be greatly reduced if you had a book scanner
instead of a typical flat bet scanner. You wouldn't damage the binding and
pages would be properly aligned. On flat bed scanners, it is much easier to
scan two pages at once. Why are you scanning one at a time using a flatbed
scanner? If your OCR program is set up properly, it will produce two
separate pages if you scan in this way, but you have to have your program
set up to do this.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market


Hi Monty,
The binding of the book cannot be removed, as it may be a temporarily
borrowed possession of another, or just cannot be physically modified
due to any other factor or reason. A book in the way it is printed
should be scanned page by page automatically in a mechanized way,
fast, accurate, and non-erroneous.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Yes, what you are talking about is a scanner with an automatic document
feeder. This requires removing the book binding so all pages are
separate
from each other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Bhavya shah
Sent: June-19-16 8:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] o c r and scanning; was future of screen read
market

Hi,
This is a pretty unrelated and random idea that struck me a week or two
ago,
when I was having a chat with a fellow senior school student about our
common computer science aspirations and how assistive technology could be
improved. Since then, I was trying to identify some evident challenges
that
I faced and could be seemingly readily enhanced.
Currently, the process of scanning a hard copy book (paperback) is
particularly cumbersome - quality depends not only on the OCR engine and
scanner's resolution, but also on how well the person scanning adjusts
the
book so that the contents of the respective page come in completely and
not
partially, and bits of other pages don't get intertwined. This adjustion
is
prone to human errors, and OCR results may be significantly dteriorated
by
man's imperfection, and this may sometimes be a very irksome and
laborious
process.
Is there a device available today in which when a hard copy book is put,
it
automatically distinguishes between the area of one page as opposed to
the
other, automatically adjusting the portion to be in scanning focus, and
automatically turning pages and repeating the previous additional checks?
If
the task of scanning could also be machine automated, that could
potentially
massively boost scanning quality, speeds and consequently, from a larger
perspective, availability of high quality electronic format accessible
reading material.
Thanks.

On 6/19/16, Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com> wrote:
I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I have
used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell them
for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i thought I
would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@valtdnet.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences regarding this device? For instance, does it come only
with a proprietary OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader
using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do,
I'd like to hear from someone who might have played with one for an
extended period of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen reader
for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA,
please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla
G
second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09







--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09



--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09