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Driver Power State Failure

Sachin
 

Hello everyone, for the last couple of days I keep getting this error when I try to start my computer. It will try to start windows then goes to a blank black screen just with the cursor, then it Says windows failed to start and will now restart then it collects info Driver_Power_State_Failure. When it restarts it just turns on like nothing was wrong. A Google search proved that it’s an outdated driver issue, but I don’t know specifically which driver is causing problems. Any Ideas?

Thanks in advance


Re: cribbage

john s
 

Monte, Ian Humphreys wrote a nice, accessable game.  Part of his web site is:

Blind gamers
 

earlier, Monte Single, wrote:

Yes, I am looking for a cribbage game to play on my pc.  Keyboard only.  
 
Thanks,
Monte

John


Re: accessibility of dropbox

Sachin
 

Thanks much, I heard some ware that the latest version of dropbox is inaccessible & I am aware of an NVDA ad-on of dropbox. That’s why I’ve decided to ask this. Your reply answers the basics. Can I assume that the desktop client works with the latest version of Jaws by default, or should I use my secondary screen reader that’s NVDA with add-on enabled?

Thanks in advance


On 18/06/2016 8:03 PM, Sylvia wrote:

Hello, dropbox is extremely easy to use. Creating an online account is simple and you won’t have any problems  installing the desktop client.

I hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sachin
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 10:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] accessibility of dropbox

 

Hi everyone, I would like to know the accessibility of dropbox. I haven’t used any cloud storage solution yet, but now felt the need of one. As a beginner I want to know the following things related to dropbox, creating an online account, installing & configuring the desktop client & its everyday use. I am using Jaws & NVDA, if that helps.

Thanks in advance



Re: iphone timer

Kimsan
 

Sorry if I came off as I was bashing. Maybe my “ghetto” writing reared it’s ugly head again, or I was in a rush while responding, but appreciated the response though.

Take care.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 1:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] iphone timer

 

Hi!

Well, maybe i should not try to help here but now you have solved your problem so thats fine.

Things work great for me with the normal timer and its stranged to be bashed if things works for one but not for the other.

But thats ok with me.

/A∆

On 16 Jun 2016, at 23:48, Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:

 

Set correct? Which way is correct. I originally had it set to none and after your message, I set it to all. Same result.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 2:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] iphone timer

 

Hi!

Check that the punctioation is set correct.

On my screen it tells me the full time when i swipe so i really don’t know why it shouldn’t work for others.

 

On 16 Jun 2016, at 20:12, Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

 

In the lock screen, when the timer is going, it speaks the seconds. Is it possible to have it speak the complete time that has elapsed.  For example, if I set my timer for 25 minutes, instead of it saying 20 seconds, can it say 20 minutes and 30 seconds? If so, how do I set this up.

Thank you.

 

 


Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Lenron
 

I have the Open book software and the Pearl camera. The little I have
used it it has worked pretty well. I have been wanting to sell them
for a while now. Because I am not using it as much as i thought I
would.

On 6/19/16, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@valtdnet.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and
experiences
regarding this device? For instance, does it come only with a proprietary
OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do, I'd
like
to hear from someone who might have played with one for an extended period
of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado






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Re: The Future of the Screen Reader Market

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

The only OCR software I've used for scanning books is Abbyy FineReader; thus far, it has held up and I don't have any issues with it.  I just could not source enough funds to grab either Openbook or Kurzweil.  I don't get funding from the state, and, if I do, I shall have insisted on a purchase of Abbyy FineReader.

 

Sincerely,

Olusegun

Denver, Colorado


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Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Hi Everyone:

Anyone in the house used the EyePal? What are your thoughts and experiences
regarding this device? For instance, does it come only with a proprietary
OCR software or can I run my Abbyy FineReader using it?

I might be able to grab one for scanning purposes; but before I do, I'd like
to hear from someone who might have played with one for an extended period
of time. Much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Juanita Martin <jordmartin@...>
 

On Jun 18, 2016, at 1:21 PM, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

Really, my knfb reader works just as good as my scanner and sometimes even better! Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:49 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
> To the best of my knowledge, a usual Smartphone camera is not
> comparable to a scanner.

Not to mention focus issues. I gave some thought to trying out this KNFB reader thing, but images (pun intended) of me waving the phone frantically back and forth trying to get the tiny camera in focus and repeatedly failing ketp intruding into my thoughts. You have to have the thing lined up absolutely perfect in order to get intelligible OCR. What a headache. Not to mention lighting issues, weird fonts and other things I probably am not thinking of right now.



Re: carlos's win-x boot media

 

but yes win 10 media will boot on a win 8 host system and yes you can
install windows 8 using the media.

On 6/19/16, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

Thank you Carlos. I appreciate the information, and yes this machine
was purchased with win8 so it's uefi.

Thanks.
Dave.


On 6/15/16, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Hello David,

Win7PE can only boot on a system running Windows 8 if it is configured to
boot in legacy BIOS mode. Almost any systems purchased with Windows 8
preinstalled will be configured to boot in UEFI mode. Win7PE is not
capable

of booting in UEFI mode so you will have to use the Win10PE images
instead.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Mehler" <dave.mehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] carlos's win-x boot media


Hello,

Question, more for Carlos but if anyone else knows this please chime
in. Will the win7 boot images, usb cd etc, boot if the underlying host
is a win8 box? I just tried it and it gave me an invalid signature
error.

Second question, can the win10 boot images if any work in booting if
the underlying host is win8?

I'm needing to do an 8 reinstall on a laptop prior to taking it to ten
as it's windows is corrupted. To that end I'm needing the key off this
laptop. It's about a three year old hp.

Thanks.
Dave.







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Re: Making i phone ring more times

A.Mac
 

On 18/06/2016 18:47, Rajmund wrote:
Hi,
Don't believe that that is possible.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna" <donnamarie1947@roadrunner.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 09:27:27 -0700
Subject: [TechTalk] Making i phone ring more times

Where do I go in settings to have phone ring more times before going
to voice mail,now it only rings on time then to voice.
Donna





hi, i make my own ring tones for i-phone and the ring tone at max length you can make a tone is only 30 seconds long.

thanks for your time in advance.


Re: cribbage

Ms. E.M. Kirtley <ekirtley@...>
 

Hello, You might try those that GMA games have.

EMK

At Saturday 06:21 PM, you wrote:
Yes, I am looking for a cribbage game to play on my pc. Keyboard only.

Thanks,
Monte


Kurzweil 1000 or ABBYY FineReader

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

So picking up on a comment having to do with the screen reader market thread and OpenBook/Kurzweil 1000, I was curious to know people’s experience with FineReader and Jaws.

I’m a K1000 user since the single digit versions, but have never really gotten quite used to the whole separate numpad commands or synth when switching back and forth with Jaws. K1000 has gotten a whole lot better with Jaws, but still, I find a lot of the add-ons like the calculator, address book and so on in K1000 unnecessary. I’m running V13.x and have been thinking of upgrading to the latest version as well as putting K1000 on my business desktop, but I can either spend the $100.00 or so for the upgrade or try out FineReader for not that much more.

For Jaws users, how well does FineReader work with the screen reader? Is it similar to K1000 where you have to deal with a totally different synth when working in that program or any other commands particular to FineReader?

I do like how K1000 has a menu option that you can click on from the context menu when highlighting a file to convert. Does FineReader have the same function?

I’m running JFW 17. Any input would be appreciated.


Re: o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Rob <captinlogic@...>
 

Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Just think, no more turn the book over, turn the page, turn the book over
... ... ... ...Yeah, and then you finish scanning a book, only to realize, a day later, after going through all the proofreading, that it's available as a commercial ebook.
That's one reason I quit scanning books. The other is because my Opticbook is no longer being made and I can't get a replacement bulb for it.


cribbage

Monte Single
 

Yes, I am looking for a cribbage game to play on my pc.  Keyboard only.  

 

Thanks,

Monte


Re: OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Carlos
 

Everyone should feel free to share their opinions, preferences, and experiences about what solutions work for them on an individual basis. That is after all the point of the list. However, when it starts becoming more of an argument about how so and so solution is better, the debate begins to reach a point of diminishing returns. Many people will have different experiences with different solutions based on specific usage and requirements.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market


Personally, I don't think it's an irrelevant debate since some on this list
will be directed by others; especially those in the rehab field, to purchase
these $1000 blind-centric OCR software solutions. If the amount the agency
is spending on the client is an issue, then costs are a very important
consideration. If the person is purchasing on their own, then a side-by-side
installation and comparison is in order, and if the blind-centric solutions
do not offer any unique features, then go with the less expensive solution.
:)

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 5:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

LOL isn't this a pointless debate? Different solutions for different needs.

Although you don't have to pay $1000 for OCR software. FineReader is much
less expensive and several of the much more expensive blind oriented
solutions like OpenBook use the FineReader engine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market


Well, I have to say I like my KNFB Reader . I don't use it with a stand.
But
all I use it for is mail and boxes and med bottles and computer
screens and so on. I don't use it for books to scan and read. I choose
the KNFB Reader for 99 bucks and was sure one of the first one to get
it as I got it as soon as it was released in the app store. To me this
is a great solution for what I do ! If I was scanning books and legal
papers and such I might look at something different. I just not going
to fork out for what I do with OCR around 1000 bucks plus SMA every
two years and a scanner price and the up keep on a scanner! Also the
scanner and open book or Ker swell will not scan and read medicine
bottles, computer screens or TV screens or cans of food and the list
goes on. To me the 99 bucks for what I am doing is the best
99
bucks I have ever spent. But like I say I not reading books and most
of the time I not reading legal papers or medical papers and such.
Also it is hard to carry that flatbed scanner around with you to read
things with it. It is not very portable. I need something portable and
on the go. The KNFB Reader fits that bill. So I can see where a flat
bed or even a sheet feed scanner and OB or KW or some other OCR would
fit the bill of some. It just don't work for me and my needs! Also it
is more money than I want to spend on OCR.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Take whatever you're scanning with the KNFB Reader then scan this same
item with a full flatbed scanner then compare results.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 11:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Really, my knfb reader works just as good as my scanner and sometimes
even better! Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:49 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, a usual Smartphone camera is not
comparable to a scanner.
Not to mention focus issues. I gave some thought to trying out this
KNFB reader thing, but images (pun intended) of me waving the phone
frantically back and forth trying to get the tiny camera in focus and
repeatedly failing ketp intruding into my thoughts. You have to have
the thing lined up absolutely perfect in order to get intelligible
OCR. What a headache. Not to mention lighting issues, weird fonts and
other things I probably am not thinking of right now.

















Re: The Future of the Screen Reader Market

Gene
 

That is factually not accurate.  First, Openbook scans and recognizes text well.  I started with open book in the nineties and have scanned a lot of books.  ^Years ago, Kurzweil might be able to scan certain very specific kinds of material better, because it allowed you to use Gray Scale and Openbook didn't.  I don't know if that is the case any more, there were so many changes in Openbook 9 and I didn't seriously study and compare Open Book 9 and Kurzweil.  Many years ago, I seriously studied and compared Openbook and Kurzweil.   
 
Second, I expect to hear from lots of Fine reader users who scan books regularly using it.  Openbook and Kurzweil are blindness  products.  If you want features they have, you may want to spend the money.  But I have never seen anything in user comments regarding Fine Reader, indicating that it is not capable of uses such as scanning books.  I tried scanning a book with an old version of Fine Reader many years ago and was successful.
 
I haven't used recent versions of Fine Reader.  The old version I had was from the early 2000's.  So I won't comment further comparing ease of use and the value of the various features Openbook and Kurzweil don't have.  I'll simply say that if one wants to simply scan books or magazines, I really doubt that it is worth paying almost a thousand dollars.  If people wish, all these programs have demos.
 
Gene

------ Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Future of the Screen Reader Market

Evening all,

Gene, Kurzweil has two settings, one at 300 DPI and one at 400 DPI.

You are right that criteria for choosing a given software or hardware
depends heavily on the consumer's need.

Fine reader may be excellent for reading mail and the occasional
document.  There is, as you say, no reason for spending lots of money
if one does not need to do so.

KNFB Reader is good for reading on the go, but I wouldn't scan a book with it.

However, if one needs to scan books or large amounts of documents, then
one needs a flat bed scanner and Kurzweil 1000.  Nothing else will do,
in fact, one should, if one intends to do serious OCR work, consider
the scanner as well.  What is needed for serious OCR work is a book
Edge scanner.

Kurzweil is the undisputed creme de la creme of OCR programs.  that is
because its company makes nothing but OCR software.  that is all it
does and it concentrates on doing that, and that alone.  That is why
they are the best in the field; just as Baum is the undisputed best in
the field when it comes to Braille mechanics and displays.   That's all
they do!  They do have a screen reader, but it is, by far the least of
its product line.

There's nothing wrong with giving a company their due and saying that
it is the best in its field.  That's mere acknowledgement of a fact.

Matching consumer to product is a difficult thing and that's why rehab
pays Assistive Trainers to do evaluations before they recommend
software and hardware.  If given license, a good AT Trainer will
recommend the best software and hardware for a consumer no matter which
companies pay rehab to push their products.  The ability to make
choices as to what hardware and software one uses is what it means to
be independent.

Ann P.

Original message:
> You should not specify one product such as Kurzweil as an ideal OCR
> system. It may be that using a scanner with an OCR program is superior
> to using a camera. I have no idea. But there are many good OCR programs
> to be used with computers and saying one is ideal is not correct.
> Also, Kurzweil is about ten times more expensive than fine reader
> because it is a blindness specific program, not an off the shelf
> program for purchase by the public. If you don't need the specialized
> features Kurzweil offers, you are wasting an enormous amount of money.
> I am also skeptical about your discussion of resolution. The usual
> resolution used for OCR with a scanner is 300DPI, dots per inch.) I
> would think that to be below the resolution capability of any modern
> cell phone camera. I don't know if a scanner or a camera is better for
> OCR. But I wouldn't form a conclusion at this time.
> Gene

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Re: OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Matt
 

Well, yes I was speaking of my needs and that was what I said! I have used
Open book years and years ago with a flatbed scanner as it was the only
solution other than Ker swell at the time . They did come out with a KNFB
Reader on Nokia phones but never got it or a nokia phone as it was really
out of my reach at that time. I have heard it was really good on the Nokia
phones. Some say it is still better than the KNFB Reader on the iPhone or
Android phones. I can only put info out there on my experience and only
what I have heard from the list such as the KNFB Reader mailing list. I
don't use KNFB Reader to scan and Read books. I don't scan and read books at
all. I would rather have human narrated books. But like I say I not in
school I don't know longer work as I retired out after about 40 years from
the state of Florida. I also not been blind that long yet . I started going
blind about 14 years ago. I did not go blind till I think 2003 or 2004 . I
have nothing against a flatbed scanner or a sheet feed scanner and OB, KW or
some other OCR to scan with. If I needed something like that I would see
about going out and getting something like that . I recommend everyone to
access their needs and research and try out if possible before they buy or
get a solution on this or anything else as far as that is concern! JMO!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

This is an important distinction when reading posts on these lists. When one
states their opinion, it is likely a personal opinion conveying how they use
a product. It is likely the person hasn't used or tested more than the
single product he or she is using, and while it may meet his or her needs,
it is not an objective through assessment of the features or abilities of
the product. You might hear from someone who has in fact used multiple types
of the same product, but if that person isn't a discerning, objective type,
then the person will post similar subjective assessments. I'm only
mentioning this because it appears that many individuals on these lists
conclude a regular poster to be a power-user or reliable source of
information, but this may not be the case at all since there's lots of
passing on of information on these lists without the person having tested
for him/herself. Also, don't forget that if a person on these lists is
knowledgeable at X, then it does not mean he or she is equally as
knowledgeable at Y, or Z. And yes, this goes for me too, but since I am
aware of the many types of logical fallacies the human mind is susceptible
to, I avoid some of these psychological traps. I really do love the fact
that in university I was encouraged to study the soft sciences and hard
sciences associated with the human mind and body as it instilled respect for
the huge, and I mean huge variance in the psychology of the human species.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Matt
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 5:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Well, I have to say I like my KNFB Reader . I don't use it with a stand. But
all I use it for is mail and boxes and med bottles and computer screens and
so on. I don't use it for books to scan and read. I choose the KNFB Reader
for 99 bucks and was sure one of the first one to get it as I got it as soon
as it was released in the app store. To me this is a great solution for what
I do ! If I was scanning books and legal papers and such I might look at
something different. I just not going to fork out for what I do with OCR
around 1000 bucks plus SMA every two years and a scanner price and the up
keep on a scanner! Also the scanner and open book or Ker swell will not scan
and read medicine bottles, computer screens or TV screens or cans of food
and the list goes on. To me the 99 bucks for what I am doing is the best 99
bucks I have ever spent. But like I say I not reading books and most of the
time I not reading legal papers or medical papers and such. Also it is hard
to carry that flatbed scanner around with you to read things with it. It is
not very portable. I need something portable and on the go. The KNFB Reader
fits that bill. So I can see where a flat bed or even a sheet feed scanner
and OB or KW or some other OCR would fit the bill of some. It just don't
work for me and my needs! Also it is more money than I want to spend on OCR.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Take whatever you're scanning with the KNFB Reader then scan this same item
with a full flatbed scanner then compare results.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 11:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Really, my knfb reader works just as good as my scanner and sometimes even
better! Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:49 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
> To the best of my knowledge, a usual Smartphone camera is not
> comparable to a scanner.

Not to mention focus issues. I gave some thought to trying out this
KNFB reader thing, but images (pun intended) of me waving the phone
frantically back and forth trying to get the tiny camera in focus and
repeatedly failing ketp intruding into my thoughts. You have to have the
thing lined up absolutely perfect in order to get intelligible OCR. What a
headache. Not to mention lighting issues, weird fonts and other things I
probably am not thinking of right now.


o c r and scanning; was future of screen read market

Monte Single
 

The Kurzweil 1000 is similar to the Kurzweil 3000; the former for the blind,
the latter for the dyslexic.

Occassionally, I switch to the 400 d p I when scanning very small print
such as a cell phone manual printed on sheets the size of your hand.

To say Kurzweil is the only product for the blind is wrong. Openbook I with
the Pearl camera is a great combo. If I win the lottery I'll buy it. The
difference is that Kurzweil is moving forward with great tech support
where openbook is resting on its laurels.

The document camera is here, the flatbed scanner is or will be in decline.
Epson has a line of document cameras aimed at educators and such.I know
Kurzweil has been looking at the Hover cam for image capture. Hopefullly
they will develop a software interface to work with an off the shelf
camera.

Just think, no more turn the book over, turn the page, turn the book over
... ... ... ...
Just turn the page every x seconds right to the end of the book.

Pleasant scanning, however you do it.!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ann Parsons
Sent: June-18-16 6:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Future of the Screen Reader Market

Evening all,

Gene, Kurzweil has two settings, one at 300 DPI and one at 400 DPI.

You are right that criteria for choosing a given software or hardware
depends heavily on the consumer's need.

Fine reader may be excellent for reading mail and the occasional
document. There is, as you say, no reason for spending lots of money
if one does not need to do so.

KNFB Reader is good for reading on the go, but I wouldn't scan a book with
it.

However, if one needs to scan books or large amounts of documents, then
one needs a flat bed scanner and Kurzweil 1000. Nothing else will do,
in fact, one should, if one intends to do serious OCR work, consider
the scanner as well. What is needed for serious OCR work is a book
Edge scanner.

Kurzweil is the undisputed creme de la creme of OCR programs. that is
because its company makes nothing but OCR software. that is all it
does and it concentrates on doing that, and that alone. That is why
they are the best in the field; just as Baum is the undisputed best in
the field when it comes to Braille mechanics and displays. That's all
they do! They do have a screen reader, but it is, by far the least of
its product line.

There's nothing wrong with giving a company their due and saying that
it is the best in its field. That's mere acknowledgement of a fact.

Matching consumer to product is a difficult thing and that's why rehab
pays Assistive Trainers to do evaluations before they recommend
software and hardware. If given license, a good AT Trainer will
recommend the best software and hardware for a consumer no matter which
companies pay rehab to push their products. The ability to make
choices as to what hardware and software one uses is what it means to
be independent.

Ann P.

Original message:
You should not specify one product such as Kurzweil as an ideal OCR
system. It may be that using a scanner with an OCR program is superior
to using a camera. I have no idea. But there are many good OCR programs
to be used with computers and saying one is ideal is not correct.
Also, Kurzweil is about ten times more expensive than fine reader
because it is a blindness specific program, not an off the shelf
program for purchase by the public. If you don't need the specialized
features Kurzweil offers, you are wasting an enormous amount of money.
I am also skeptical about your discussion of resolution. The usual
resolution used for OCR with a scanner is 300DPI, dots per inch.) I
would think that to be below the resolution capability of any modern
cell phone camera. I don't know if a scanner or a camera is better for
OCR. But I wouldn't form a conclusion at this time.
Gene
--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@samobile.net
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
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"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Personally, I don't think it's an irrelevant debate since some on this list
will be directed by others; especially those in the rehab field, to purchase
these $1000 blind-centric OCR software solutions. If the amount the agency
is spending on the client is an issue, then costs are a very important
consideration. If the person is purchasing on their own, then a side-by-side
installation and comparison is in order, and if the blind-centric solutions
do not offer any unique features, then go with the less expensive solution.
:)

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 5:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

LOL isn't this a pointless debate? Different solutions for different needs.

Although you don't have to pay $1000 for OCR software. FineReader is much
less expensive and several of the much more expensive blind oriented
solutions like OpenBook use the FineReader engine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market


Well, I have to say I like my KNFB Reader . I don't use it with a stand.
But
all I use it for is mail and boxes and med bottles and computer
screens and so on. I don't use it for books to scan and read. I choose
the KNFB Reader for 99 bucks and was sure one of the first one to get
it as I got it as soon as it was released in the app store. To me this
is a great solution for what I do ! If I was scanning books and legal
papers and such I might look at something different. I just not going
to fork out for what I do with OCR around 1000 bucks plus SMA every
two years and a scanner price and the up keep on a scanner! Also the
scanner and open book or Ker swell will not scan and read medicine
bottles, computer screens or TV screens or cans of food and the list
goes on. To me the 99 bucks for what I am doing is the best
99
bucks I have ever spent. But like I say I not reading books and most
of the time I not reading legal papers or medical papers and such.
Also it is hard to carry that flatbed scanner around with you to read
things with it. It is not very portable. I need something portable and
on the go. The KNFB Reader fits that bill. So I can see where a flat
bed or even a sheet feed scanner and OB or KW or some other OCR would
fit the bill of some. It just don't work for me and my needs! Also it
is more money than I want to spend on OCR.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Take whatever you're scanning with the KNFB Reader then scan this same
item with a full flatbed scanner then compare results.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 11:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Really, my knfb reader works just as good as my scanner and sometimes
even better! Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:49 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, a usual Smartphone camera is not
comparable to a scanner.
Not to mention focus issues. I gave some thought to trying out this
KNFB reader thing, but images (pun intended) of me waving the phone
frantically back and forth trying to get the tiny camera in focus and
repeatedly failing ketp intruding into my thoughts. You have to have
the thing lined up absolutely perfect in order to get intelligible
OCR. What a headache. Not to mention lighting issues, weird fonts and
other things I probably am not thinking of right now.













Re: OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Matt
 

Yes that is what I am saying different strokes for different folks and needs
but like I was saying even fine reader and a scanner is not very portable
and it don't fit my need. Also was not really debating was just saying what
fit my need!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

LOL isn't this a pointless debate? Different solutions for different needs.

Although you don't have to pay $1000 for OCR software. Fine Reader is much
less expensive and several of the much more expensive blind oriented
solutions like Open Book use the Fine Reader engine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market


Well, I have to say I like my KNFB Reader . I don't use it with a stand.
But
all I use it for is mail and boxes and med bottles and computer
screens and so on. I don't use it for books to scan and read. I choose
the KNFB Reader for 99 bucks and was sure one of the first one to get
it as I got it as soon as it was released in the app store. To me this
is a great solution for what I do ! If I was scanning books and legal
papers and such I might look at something different. I just not going
to fork out for what I do with OCR around 1000 bucks plus SMA every
two years and a scanner price and the up keep on a scanner! Also the
scanner and open book or Ker swell will not scan and read medicine
bottles, computer screens or TV screens or cans of food and the list
goes on. To me the 99 bucks for what I am doing is the best
99
bucks I have ever spent. But like I say I not reading books and most
of the time I not reading legal papers or medical papers and such.
Also it is hard to carry that flatbed scanner around with you to read
things with it. It is not very portable. I need something portable and
on the go. The KNFB Reader fits that bill. So I can see where a flat
bed or even a sheet feed scanner and OB or KW or some other OCR would
fit the bill of some. It just don't work for me and my needs! Also it
is more money than I want to spend on OCR.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Take whatever you're scanning with the KNFB Reader then scan this same
item with a full flatbed scanner then compare results.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 11:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Really, my knfb reader works just as good as my scanner and sometimes
even better! Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:49 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, a usual Smartphone camera is not
comparable to a scanner.
Not to mention focus issues. I gave some thought to trying out this
KNFB reader thing, but images (pun intended) of me waving the phone
frantically back and forth trying to get the tiny camera in focus and
repeatedly failing ketp intruding into my thoughts. You have to have
the thing lined up absolutely perfect in order to get intelligible
OCR. What a headache. Not to mention lighting issues, weird fonts and
other things I probably am not thinking of right now.