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Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

While this is true, I have upgraded 3 computers to Win 10 with no sighted assistance only because the improvements to Narrator allowed me to use it for the process. And , for one think we should applaud every effort made to increase accessibility. We have to remember that we are a small percentage of the population and I appreciate what we have and are able to do with the technology provided.
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Edge was mentioned as one of the items who's accessibility is being
improved. I guess my point is that when I'm reading about improvements to
accessibility, I find it difficult to become enthusiastic about improvements
to Narrator which I know I personally won't be using. And I suspect most
other users who are honest with themselves know they generally won't be
using them either.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Gradually introducing features that most people probably won't use because there is a
better free alternative seems like effort that could be more productively
invested somewhere else for now.
Shouldn't they be working on making Edge more accessible? I am not using it,
but based on the mutterings from the natives, it's barely usable with screen
readers. What is the deal behind that anyway?


Re: How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7 #article

Carlos
 

No problem. Although I was only speaking for my personal preference. As I
said in my previous message, the article discusses other changes which are
not covered by either of those programs.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7


Hi Carlos,


I should have read your message first before I posted my last message.
I can

even get the XP look with Classic Shell if I want to.



On 7/2/2016 5:18 PM, Carlos wrote:
In my case Classic Shell
http://www.classicshell.net/
took care of about 95% of anything that I missed from previous versions of
Windows.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7


I hope the article below helps someone?--Joe



How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7
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Submitted by rhiannon | Last update on 16th June, 2016 - 9:44pm





If you want to use Windows 10 and it's new features (or have to use
Windows 10 for various reasons) but would be happier with the Windows 7
interface, then this article is a must read.
The article outlines 15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like
Windows 7, getting you as close to the familiar Windows 7 interface as
possible. Windows 10 has made some improvements over Windows 8 (bringing
back the Start menu for one) but it's still quite a difference to anyone
using Windows 7. With Windows 8, installing a Start Menu Replacement made
Windows 8 look and act like Windows 7 for the most part. In Windows 10,
it's not quite as easy.
Here's a list of the various changes that make Windows 10 more like
Windows 7:

a.. Windows 7 like Start Menu
b.. Aero Glass Transparency
c.. Disable the Lock Screen
d.. Remove Cortana search box from the taskbar
e.. Disable Windows Explorer ribbon
f.. Disable Quick Access
g.. Disable Action Center
h.. Install desktop gadgets
i.. Get Windows 7 like folders
j.. Uninstall and remove Edge browser
k.. Get rid of default modern apps
l.. Use a local account to sign in
m.. Enable the classic Personalization window
n.. Set Windows 7 wallpaper as your desktop background
Here are two additional helpful Windows 10 articles - one on blocking
Windows 10 updates (I'm not in favor of forced updates), and this article
has options for Home versions of Windows 10. Windows Pro and up have some
options for blocking Windows Updates that the Home version doesn't. The
other one addresses six of the most common Windows 10 annoyances and how
to fix them.
Block Windows 10 forced updates without breaking your machine
Six Windows 10 annoyances: How to make them go away for good

You may have noticed that there are 14 (instead of 15) items listed. I
left off the "Install Windows 7 games" because the link goes to a forum
where you have to register to see the information. You can find a direct
link to the download listed in our article here: Get Classic Windows 7
Games in Windows 8 and 10 for Free.

15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 0:44

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My only concern is that after all these tweaks, will any of them break
or don't work after another update of Windows 10?

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Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 1:16

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Jojo,
The more you "tweak" the higher the chance of the tweak being "broken"
by an update; that update does nothing but "reset" the tweak to a known
good default like MIcro$oft wants it.

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 1:48

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Yes eikelein I think it's true that chances are higher for broken parts
when we have more tweaks.

The problem is that we do not know if some tweaks are interlinked in
the system settings contained in the registry or hidden files and how they
work together.

Micro$oft might update some of them, leaving some remaining tweaked
parts untouched since they were considered or supposed to be original
without needing an update. It would be perfect if the tweaked parts and
the updated parts can work together :) but a nightmare if not :(

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Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 2:31

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Jojo,
You are correct again.

And exactly that is why I don't like to tweak at all.

I use Classic Shell; there is at least a chance that things will
eventually get fixed should an update "break" it.
Worst case I just uninstall Classic Shell and live with W10 as it is
meant to be.

If I really hate it I can still switch to Linux and/or run Linux in
Virtual Box... ;-)

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Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:40

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eikelein, how different is Classic Shell from Winaero on how it
instigates changes and in your opinion do you think Winaero would have
problems with updates?

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Submitted by eikelein on 23. June 2016 - 1:30

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Ron525,
I guess it's about time to wish you a Happy B-Day.

To answer your question: I have no clue. Quite some time ago I found
Classic Shell's description, I believe on Sourceforge.
I liked what I read and tried it; have never looked back and just don't
have enough time and energy to make any kind of comparison. Sorry.

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Submitted by ron525 on 23. June 2016 - 7:07

(127005)

eikelein,
Thanks.

I found Winaero being mentioned a bit on W10, W7 threads on Whirlpool
Forum AU, recommended for some tweaks, It has been around for a few years
and members have used it for a fair amount of time with no issues being
raised.

I don't have it installed on my daily l/top at present so will run it
on 2nd l/top to see if it has problems, nothing untoward happened after
latest W10 update last night.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 22. June 2016 - 4:48

(126989)

There is another issue related to this in that many folks still insist
on using so called registry cleaners for reasons beyond my comprehension.
These things are coded to see a system in a certain state and chuck out
anything that doesn't match. In so doing they are quite capable of
trashing Windows and often do. A tweaked system is even more likely to be
"corrected" to produce a nice blank screen at next boot . :) MC - Site
Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 14:01

(126976)

It appears to me as computers were evolving it was a race for the best
bling i.e. good colour outstanding icon graphics.

So what happened now we have to put up with faint characters that are
hard to see and often small pale colours and flat grade school quality
graphics.

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 21. June 2016 - 23:49

(126980)

True, ron525, but it appears to me that technology is one thing, trend
or fashion is another.

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Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:31

(126994)

How true Jojo Yee, I see that issue on my Xiaomi phone adding a lot of
fancy mods(many could be called bloat) far out weighs true enhancements,
simplifications and fixing bugs.

But I think some of the W10 changes create more actions to get to
things as well, or I still have to adjust to a different OS.
Maybe change is not liked but when one is used to a product and it it
works so easily and smooth you start to question why it has been altered.

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Submitted by These Old Eyes on 20. June 2016 - 20:21

(126966)

Will someone at MS please notice that the population is aging, in many
cases (like mine) with diminishing ability for eyes to adjust to radically
different light levels? I'd like to see a third party develop an
appropriately intrusive "app" (shudder) to restore user control over
background colors in Window 10, preferably within the next month!

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 20:41

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This is all I could come up, hopefully things will improve.
http://www.groovypost.com/howto/using-Windows-10-improved-color-personal...

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 15:39

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Howdy, rhiannon:

Appreciate your response.

I personally am fed up with Microsoft's ANTICS... however I am
dependent on Win 7 now due to software Internet Marketing software that
runs on Windows only.

I have been watching Linux for years... but now able to bring myself
across the threshold for business purposes... so I have to plead IGNORANCE
on my part in regards to the Linux world.

Sounds to me like virtual machine or virtual box would be the way to go
vs. dual boot option.

My current laptop is a:

Gateway EC5801u laptop

- Intel Core 2 Duo SU7300 1.2GHz, 4GB DDR3, 500GB HDD, DVDRW, 15.6"
LED, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

I am starting to look for a KILLER DEAL on a :

- 15.6 **business** laptop, Quad Core i5 (at most), 16GB DDR4, 256 SSD,
1TB...

which will inevitably come with Win 10... then I will Virtual Machine
UP with Linux Mint.

Open to any brilliant comments!

Thx much... ~ Alan

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Submitted by abrandt on 21. June 2016 - 0:19

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Thank you, eikelein and MidnightCowboy !

Truthfully, I have neither the time or inclination to experiment with
Linux.

My Linux interest does not stem from a hobby... but business
application... user-friendliness and efficiency... keeping in mind I am
tethered to Windows due to specialized applications needed for business.

Much appreciate. ~ Alan

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Submitted by eikelein on 20. June 2016 - 22:00

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Alan,
Even for your "oldie" laptop I recommend you at least look at Linux
Lite (https://www.linuxliteos.com/).
I have found it to be much more efficient with computer resources than
Linux Mint which for me slowed a computer (with much more Ooomph than your
laptop) down to a virtual crawl.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 20. June 2016 - 22:21

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There are many issues that determine how slow or fast a particular
Linux might run on different hardware. This is a good list to experiment
with although not all of these are particularly user friendly. My vote
goes to MX Linux. MC - Site Manager.
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-of-the-most-...

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:20

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There are several virtual machine programs around, you can check out
our article here:
Best Free Virtualization Solutions

I think Midnight Cowboy runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine using
Linux. Maybe he'll chime in with his preferences.

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:27

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rhiannon: Appreciate the reference article. Have read and will
implement with new laptop. Thx. ~ Alan

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:39

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If you're inclined to using Virtual Box, you might find this article
helpful:
VirtualBox 5.0 Released – Install on RHEL/CentOS/Fedora and
Debian/Ubuntu/Linux Mint

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:46

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rhiannon: Appreciate and reviewed this 2nd vitualization reference
article. THX! ~ Alan

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 3:22

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Thank you to Stephen Jackson and Bob Peterson for their clean, clear
and intelligent comments.
Bob... based on your post... I am going take a more serious look at
Linux Mint... even though much of my Internet Marketing software is all
Win-concentric.
Thank you, ~ Alan

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 14:54

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You can run Windows "inside" Linux, as our very own Midnight Cowboy
does, as a virtual machine or virtual box. Another option is to dual boot
Windows and Linux.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:45

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I have never looked at running a virtual machine thought it might be
complicated,
I am running dual boot W7 and Mint 17.3.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 21. June 2016 - 13:53

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It'as a lot easier than you might think. There are tons of tutorials on
Youtube and the web in general, many for specific distros. This is just
one example.
https://www.pcsteps.com/207-windows-virtual-machine-linux-windows/. The
only real issue you might encounter is getting USB recognition for the
virtual system but this and anything else are bound to be documented with
an appropriate fix in one of the Linux forums. MC - Site Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 19. June 2016 - 12:41

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I have W7 and 10 on partitions on a Compaq l/top to see what 10 was
like have found it hard to adjust but have done a lot of retro fitting
with Winaero tweaker to make it feel more usable.

My daily is a Toshiba l/top partitioned with W7 and Linux Mint, Really
want to move over to Mint but I don't seem to find the time at present as
I am trying to keep up on the W10"s evolution.

I could kiss all the heart ache good bye If I could convince myself to
only log onto Mint but I really don't understand linux at all and had zero
success getting my scanner to function which I need continuously and
installing other items not knowing if they are enabled or installed even
at all.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 19. June 2016 - 13:30

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Just enter your scanner details into the Mint forum search and someone
has bound to have encountered the same issue before and obtained a fix. I
use a HP Deskjet for instance and it's just a matter of installing the
appropriate driver using Synaptic. MC - Site Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:50

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I will do that I did try google with specific for the LiDE 110 but
found nothing, tried Canon but they don't support Linux for it.

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Submitted by lunchbeast on 18. June 2016 - 18:33

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Speaking of Luddites, how far back can we go with this 'make it look
like the old version that looked and worked better'? I have always
preferred the look and feel of Win2K/WinXP, and I was able to get Win7 to
look very similar. If Win10 can be made to look like Win7, can Win10 be
made to look like Win7 looking like Win2K/WinXP?

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Submitted by rhiannon on 18. June 2016 - 20:39

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I haven't run across anything that mentions that. If anyone else knows,
maybe they'll comment. :)

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Re: How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7 #article

Carlos
 

The article discusses other changes which are not made by Classic Shell or
Classic Explorer.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7


Hi Group,


Doesn't classic shell and classic Windows Explorer work in Windows 10?
I had heard that they do. If you install those programs, wouldn't it be
easier to obtain the old look rather than making all the changes manually?



On 7/2/2016 5:02 PM, Joe wrote:
I hope the article below helps someone?--Joe




How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7


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Windows 7 screenshot
<http://www.techsupportalert.com/files/images/techtreats/Windows7_0.jpg>
If you want to use Windows 10 and it's new features (or have to use
Windows 10 for various reasons) but would be happier with the Windows 7
interface, then this article is a must read.
The article outlines 15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows
7, getting you as close to the familiar Windows 7 interface as possible.
Windows 10 has made some improvements over Windows 8 (bringing back the
Start menu for one) but it's still quite a difference to anyone using
Windows 7. With Windows 8, installing a Start Menu Replacement
<http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-free-windows-8-start-menu-replacement.htm>
made Windows 8 look and act like Windows 7 for the most part. In Windows
10, it's not quite as easy.
Here's a list of the various changes that make Windows 10 more like
Windows 7:

* Windows 7 like Start Menu
* Aero Glass Transparency
* Disable the Lock Screen
* Remove Cortana search box from the taskbar
* Disable Windows Explorer ribbon
* Disable Quick Access
* Disable Action Center
* Install desktop gadgets
* Get Windows 7 like folders
* Uninstall and remove Edge browser
* Get rid of default modern apps
* Use a local account to sign in
* Enable the classic Personalization window
* Set Windows 7 wallpaper as your desktop background

Here are two additional helpful Windows 10 articles - one on blocking
Windows 10 updates (I'm not in favor of forced updates), and this article
has options for Home versions of Windows 10. Windows Pro and up have some
options for blocking Windows Updates that the Home version doesn't. The
other one addresses six of the most common Windows 10 annoyances and how
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Block Windows 10 forced updates without breaking your machine
<http://www.infoworld.com/article/3053701/microsoft-windows/block-windows-10-forced-updates-without-breaking-your-machine-part-2.html>
Six Windows 10 annoyances: How to make them go away for good
<http://www.zdnet.com/article/six-windows-10-annoyances-how-to-make-them-go-away-for-good/>

You may have noticed that there are 14 (instead of 15) items listed. I
left off the "Install Windows 7 games" because the link goes to a forum
where you have to register to see the information. You can find a direct
link to the download listed in our article here: Get Classic Windows 7
Games in Windows 8 and 10 for Free
<http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/get-classic-windows-7-games-windows-8-and-10-free.htm>
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15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7
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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 0:44

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My only concern is that after all these tweaks, will any of them break or
don't work after another update of Windows 10?

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Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 1:16

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Jojo,
The more you "tweak" the higher the chance of the tweak being "broken" by
an update; that update does nothing but "reset" the tweak to a known good
default like MIcro$oft wants it.

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 1:48

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Yes eikelein I think it's true that chances are higher for broken parts
when we have more tweaks.

The problem is that we do not know if some tweaks are interlinked in the
system settings contained in the registry or hidden files and how they
work together.

Micro$oft might update some of them, leaving some remaining tweaked parts
untouched since they were considered or supposed to be original without
needing an update. It would be perfect if the tweaked parts and the
updated parts can work together :) but a nightmare if not :(

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Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 2:31

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Jojo,
You are correct again.

And exactly that is why I don't like to tweak at all.

I use Classic Shell; there is at least a chance that things will
eventually get fixed should an update "break" it.
Worst case I just uninstall Classic Shell and live with W10 as it is meant
to be.

If I really hate it I can still switch to Linux and/or run Linux in
Virtual Box... ;-)

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Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:40

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eikelein, how different is Classic Shell from Winaero on how it instigates
changes and in your opinion do you think Winaero would have problems with
updates?

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Submitted by eikelein on 23. June 2016 - 1:30

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Ron525,
I guess it's about time to wish you a Happy B-Day.

To answer your question: I have no clue. Quite some time ago I found
Classic Shell's description, I believe on Sourceforge.
I liked what I read and tried it; have never looked back and just don't
have enough time and energy to make any kind of comparison. Sorry.

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Submitted by ron525 on 23. June 2016 - 7:07

(127005)

eikelein,
Thanks.

I found Winaero being mentioned a bit on W10, W7 threads on Whirlpool
Forum AU, recommended for some tweaks, It has been around for a few years
and members have used it for a fair amount of time with no issues being
raised.

I don't have it installed on my daily l/top at present so will run it on
2nd l/top to see if it has problems, nothing untoward happened after
latest W10 update last night.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 22. June 2016 - 4:48

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There is another issue related to this in that many folks still insist on
using so called registry cleaners for reasons beyond my comprehension.
These things are coded to see a system in a certain state and chuck out
anything that doesn't match. In so doing they are quite capable of
trashing Windows and often do. A tweaked system is even more likely to be
"corrected" to produce a nice blank screen at next boot . :) MC - Site
Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 14:01

(126976)

It appears to me as computers were evolving it was a race for the best
bling i.e. good colour outstanding icon graphics.

So what happened now we have to put up with faint characters that are hard
to see and often small pale colours and flat grade school quality
graphics.

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 21. June 2016 - 23:49

(126980)

True, ron525, but it appears to me that technology is one thing, trend or
fashion is another.

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Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:31

(126994)

How true Jojo Yee, I see that issue on my Xiaomi phone adding a lot of
fancy mods(many could be called bloat) far out weighs true enhancements,
simplifications and fixing bugs.

But I think some of the W10 changes create more actions to get to things
as well, or I still have to adjust to a different OS.
Maybe change is not liked but when one is used to a product and it it
works so easily and smooth you start to question why it has been altered.

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Submitted by These Old Eyes on 20. June 2016 - 20:21

(126966)

Will someone at MS please notice that the population is aging, in many
cases (like mine) with diminishing ability for eyes to adjust to radically
different light levels? I'd like to see a third party develop an
appropriately intrusive "app" (shudder) to restore user control over
background colors in Window 10, preferably within the next month!

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 20:41

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This is all I could come up, hopefully things will improve.
http://www.groovypost.com/howto/using-Windows-10-improved-color-personal...
<http://www.groovypost.com/howto/using-Windows-10-improved-color-personalization-settings/>

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 15:39

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Howdy, rhiannon:

Appreciate your response.

I personally am fed up with Microsoft's ANTICS... however I am dependent
on Win 7 now due to software Internet Marketing software that runs on
Windows only.

I have been watching Linux for years... but now able to bring myself
across the threshold for business purposes... so I have to plead IGNORANCE
on my part in regards to the Linux world.

Sounds to me like virtual machine or virtual box would be the way to go
vs. dual boot option.

My current laptop is a:

Gateway EC5801u laptop

- Intel Core 2 Duo SU7300 1.2GHz, 4GB DDR3, 500GB HDD, DVDRW, 15.6" LED,
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

I am starting to look for a KILLER DEAL on a :

- 15.6 **business** laptop, Quad Core i5 (at most), 16GB DDR4, 256 SSD,
1TB...

which will inevitably come with Win 10... then I will Virtual Machine UP
with Linux Mint.

Open to any brilliant comments!

Thx much... ~ Alan

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Submitted by abrandt on 21. June 2016 - 0:19

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Thank you, eikelein and MidnightCowboy !

Truthfully, I have neither the time or inclination to experiment with
Linux.

My Linux interest does not stem from a hobby... but business
application... user-friendliness and efficiency... keeping in mind I am
tethered to Windows due to specialized applications needed for business.

Much appreciate. ~ Alan

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Submitted by eikelein on 20. June 2016 - 22:00

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Alan,
Even for your "oldie" laptop I recommend you at least look at Linux Lite
(https://www.linuxliteos.com/).
I have found it to be much more efficient with computer resources than
Linux Mint which for me slowed a computer (with much more Ooomph than your
laptop) down to a virtual crawl.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 20. June 2016 - 22:21

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There are many issues that determine how slow or fast a particular Linux
might run on different hardware. This is a good list to experiment with
although not all of these are particularly user friendly. My vote goes to
MX Linux. MC - Site Manager.
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-of-the-most-...
<http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-of-the-most-popular-lightweight-linux-distros-1295034>

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:20

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There are several virtual machine programs around, you can check out our
article here:
Best Free Virtualization Solutions
<http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-free-virtualization-solutions.htm>

I think Midnight Cowboy runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine using Linux.
Maybe he'll chime in with his preferences.

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:27

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rhiannon: Appreciate the reference article. Have read and will implement
with new laptop. Thx. ~ Alan

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:39

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If you're inclined to using Virtual Box, you might find this article
helpful:
VirtualBox 5.0 Released – Install on RHEL/CentOS/Fedora and
Debian/Ubuntu/Linux Mint
<http://www.tecmint.com/install-virtualbox-on-redhat-centos-fedora/>

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:46

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rhiannon: Appreciate and reviewed this 2nd vitualization reference
article. THX! ~ Alan

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 3:22

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Thank you to Stephen Jackson and Bob Peterson for their clean, clear and
intelligent comments.
Bob... based on your post... I am going take a more serious look at Linux
Mint... even though much of my Internet Marketing software is all
Win-concentric.
Thank you, ~ Alan

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 14:54

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You can run Windows "inside" Linux, as our very own Midnight Cowboy does,
as a virtual machine or virtual box. Another option is to dual boot
Windows and Linux.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:45

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I have never looked at running a virtual machine thought it might be
complicated,
I am running dual boot W7 and Mint 17.3.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 21. June 2016 - 13:53

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It'as a lot easier than you might think. There are tons of tutorials on
Youtube and the web in general, many for specific distros. This is just
one example.
https://www.pcsteps.com/207-windows-virtual-machine-linux-windows/. The
only real issue you might encounter is getting USB recognition for the
virtual system but this and anything else are bound to be documented with
an appropriate fix in one of the Linux forums. MC - Site Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 19. June 2016 - 12:41

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I have W7 and 10 on partitions on a Compaq l/top to see what 10 was like
have found it hard to adjust but have done a lot of retro fitting with
Winaero tweaker to make it feel more usable.

My daily is a Toshiba l/top partitioned with W7 and Linux Mint, Really
want to move over to Mint but I don't seem to find the time at present as
I am trying to keep up on the W10"s evolution.

I could kiss all the heart ache good bye If I could convince myself to
only log onto Mint but I really don't understand linux at all and had zero
success getting my scanner to function which I need continuously and
installing other items not knowing if they are enabled or installed even
at all.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 19. June 2016 - 13:30

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Just enter your scanner details into the Mint forum search and someone has
bound to have encountered the same issue before and obtained a fix. I use
a HP Deskjet for instance and it's just a matter of installing the
appropriate driver using Synaptic. MC - Site Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:50

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I will do that I did try google with specific for the LiDE 110 but found
nothing, tried Canon but they don't support Linux for it.

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Submitted by lunchbeast on 18. June 2016 - 18:33

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Speaking of Luddites, how far back can we go with this 'make it look like
the old version that looked and worked better'? I have always preferred
the look and feel of Win2K/WinXP, and I was able to get Win7 to look very
similar. If Win10 can be made to look like Win7, can Win10 be made to look
like Win7 looking like Win2K/WinXP?

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Submitted by rhiannon on 18. June 2016 - 20:39

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I haven't run across anything that mentions that. If anyone else knows,
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Re: How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7 #article

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Hi Carlos,


I should have read your message first before I posted my last message.
I can

even get the XP look with Classic Shell if I want to.



On 7/2/2016 5:18 PM, Carlos wrote:
In my case Classic Shell
http://www.classicshell.net/
took care of about 95% of anything that I missed from previous versions of Windows.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7


I hope the article below helps someone?--Joe



How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7
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If you want to use Windows 10 and it's new features (or have to use Windows 10 for various reasons) but would be happier with the Windows 7 interface, then this article is a must read.
The article outlines 15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7, getting you as close to the familiar Windows 7 interface as possible. Windows 10 has made some improvements over Windows 8 (bringing back the Start menu for one) but it's still quite a difference to anyone using Windows 7. With Windows 8, installing a Start Menu Replacement made Windows 8 look and act like Windows 7 for the most part. In Windows 10, it's not quite as easy.
Here's a list of the various changes that make Windows 10 more like Windows 7:

a.. Windows 7 like Start Menu
b.. Aero Glass Transparency
c.. Disable the Lock Screen
d.. Remove Cortana search box from the taskbar
e.. Disable Windows Explorer ribbon
f.. Disable Quick Access
g.. Disable Action Center
h.. Install desktop gadgets
i.. Get Windows 7 like folders
j.. Uninstall and remove Edge browser
k.. Get rid of default modern apps
l.. Use a local account to sign in
m.. Enable the classic Personalization window
n.. Set Windows 7 wallpaper as your desktop background
Here are two additional helpful Windows 10 articles - one on blocking Windows 10 updates (I'm not in favor of forced updates), and this article has options for Home versions of Windows 10. Windows Pro and up have some options for blocking Windows Updates that the Home version doesn't. The other one addresses six of the most common Windows 10 annoyances and how to fix them.
Block Windows 10 forced updates without breaking your machine
Six Windows 10 annoyances: How to make them go away for good

You may have noticed that there are 14 (instead of 15) items listed. I left off the "Install Windows 7 games" because the link goes to a forum where you have to register to see the information. You can find a direct link to the download listed in our article here: Get Classic Windows 7 Games in Windows 8 and 10 for Free.

15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 0:44

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My only concern is that after all these tweaks, will any of them break or don't work after another update of Windows 10?

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Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 1:16

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Jojo,
The more you "tweak" the higher the chance of the tweak being "broken" by an update; that update does nothing but "reset" the tweak to a known good default like MIcro$oft wants it.

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 1:48

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Yes eikelein I think it's true that chances are higher for broken parts when we have more tweaks.

The problem is that we do not know if some tweaks are interlinked in the system settings contained in the registry or hidden files and how they work together.

Micro$oft might update some of them, leaving some remaining tweaked parts untouched since they were considered or supposed to be original without needing an update. It would be perfect if the tweaked parts and the updated parts can work together :) but a nightmare if not :(

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Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 2:31

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Jojo,
You are correct again.

And exactly that is why I don't like to tweak at all.

I use Classic Shell; there is at least a chance that things will eventually get fixed should an update "break" it.
Worst case I just uninstall Classic Shell and live with W10 as it is meant to be.

If I really hate it I can still switch to Linux and/or run Linux in Virtual Box... ;-)

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Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:40

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eikelein, how different is Classic Shell from Winaero on how it instigates changes and in your opinion do you think Winaero would have problems with updates?

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Submitted by eikelein on 23. June 2016 - 1:30

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Ron525,
I guess it's about time to wish you a Happy B-Day.

To answer your question: I have no clue. Quite some time ago I found Classic Shell's description, I believe on Sourceforge.
I liked what I read and tried it; have never looked back and just don't have enough time and energy to make any kind of comparison. Sorry.

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Submitted by ron525 on 23. June 2016 - 7:07

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eikelein,
Thanks.

I found Winaero being mentioned a bit on W10, W7 threads on Whirlpool Forum AU, recommended for some tweaks, It has been around for a few years and members have used it for a fair amount of time with no issues being raised.

I don't have it installed on my daily l/top at present so will run it on 2nd l/top to see if it has problems, nothing untoward happened after latest W10 update last night.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 22. June 2016 - 4:48

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There is another issue related to this in that many folks still insist on using so called registry cleaners for reasons beyond my comprehension. These things are coded to see a system in a certain state and chuck out anything that doesn't match. In so doing they are quite capable of trashing Windows and often do. A tweaked system is even more likely to be "corrected" to produce a nice blank screen at next boot . :) MC - Site Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 14:01

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It appears to me as computers were evolving it was a race for the best bling i.e. good colour outstanding icon graphics.

So what happened now we have to put up with faint characters that are hard to see and often small pale colours and flat grade school quality graphics.

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 21. June 2016 - 23:49

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True, ron525, but it appears to me that technology is one thing, trend or fashion is another.

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Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:31

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How true Jojo Yee, I see that issue on my Xiaomi phone adding a lot of fancy mods(many could be called bloat) far out weighs true enhancements, simplifications and fixing bugs.

But I think some of the W10 changes create more actions to get to things as well, or I still have to adjust to a different OS.
Maybe change is not liked but when one is used to a product and it it works so easily and smooth you start to question why it has been altered.

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Submitted by These Old Eyes on 20. June 2016 - 20:21

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Will someone at MS please notice that the population is aging, in many cases (like mine) with diminishing ability for eyes to adjust to radically different light levels? I'd like to see a third party develop an appropriately intrusive "app" (shudder) to restore user control over background colors in Window 10, preferably within the next month!

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 20:41

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This is all I could come up, hopefully things will improve. http://www.groovypost.com/howto/using-Windows-10-improved-color-personal...

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 15:39

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Howdy, rhiannon:

Appreciate your response.

I personally am fed up with Microsoft's ANTICS... however I am dependent on Win 7 now due to software Internet Marketing software that runs on Windows only.

I have been watching Linux for years... but now able to bring myself across the threshold for business purposes... so I have to plead IGNORANCE on my part in regards to the Linux world.

Sounds to me like virtual machine or virtual box would be the way to go vs. dual boot option.

My current laptop is a:

Gateway EC5801u laptop

- Intel Core 2 Duo SU7300 1.2GHz, 4GB DDR3, 500GB HDD, DVDRW, 15.6" LED, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

I am starting to look for a KILLER DEAL on a :

- 15.6 **business** laptop, Quad Core i5 (at most), 16GB DDR4, 256 SSD, 1TB...

which will inevitably come with Win 10... then I will Virtual Machine UP with Linux Mint.

Open to any brilliant comments!

Thx much... ~ Alan

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Submitted by abrandt on 21. June 2016 - 0:19

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Thank you, eikelein and MidnightCowboy !

Truthfully, I have neither the time or inclination to experiment with Linux.

My Linux interest does not stem from a hobby... but business application... user-friendliness and efficiency... keeping in mind I am tethered to Windows due to specialized applications needed for business.

Much appreciate. ~ Alan

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Submitted by eikelein on 20. June 2016 - 22:00

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Alan,
Even for your "oldie" laptop I recommend you at least look at Linux Lite (https://www.linuxliteos.com/).
I have found it to be much more efficient with computer resources than Linux Mint which for me slowed a computer (with much more Ooomph than your laptop) down to a virtual crawl.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 20. June 2016 - 22:21

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There are many issues that determine how slow or fast a particular Linux might run on different hardware. This is a good list to experiment with although not all of these are particularly user friendly. My vote goes to MX Linux. MC - Site Manager. http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-of-the-most-...

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:20

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There are several virtual machine programs around, you can check out our article here:
Best Free Virtualization Solutions

I think Midnight Cowboy runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine using Linux. Maybe he'll chime in with his preferences.

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:27

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rhiannon: Appreciate the reference article. Have read and will implement with new laptop. Thx. ~ Alan

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:39

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If you're inclined to using Virtual Box, you might find this article helpful:
VirtualBox 5.0 Released – Install on RHEL/CentOS/Fedora and Debian/Ubuntu/Linux Mint

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:46

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rhiannon: Appreciate and reviewed this 2nd vitualization reference article. THX! ~ Alan

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 3:22

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Thank you to Stephen Jackson and Bob Peterson for their clean, clear and intelligent comments.
Bob... based on your post... I am going take a more serious look at Linux Mint... even though much of my Internet Marketing software is all Win-concentric.
Thank you, ~ Alan

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 14:54

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You can run Windows "inside" Linux, as our very own Midnight Cowboy does, as a virtual machine or virtual box. Another option is to dual boot Windows and Linux.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:45

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I have never looked at running a virtual machine thought it might be complicated,
I am running dual boot W7 and Mint 17.3.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 21. June 2016 - 13:53

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It'as a lot easier than you might think. There are tons of tutorials on Youtube and the web in general, many for specific distros. This is just one example. https://www.pcsteps.com/207-windows-virtual-machine-linux-windows/. The only real issue you might encounter is getting USB recognition for the virtual system but this and anything else are bound to be documented with an appropriate fix in one of the Linux forums. MC - Site Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 19. June 2016 - 12:41

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I have W7 and 10 on partitions on a Compaq l/top to see what 10 was like have found it hard to adjust but have done a lot of retro fitting with Winaero tweaker to make it feel more usable.

My daily is a Toshiba l/top partitioned with W7 and Linux Mint, Really want to move over to Mint but I don't seem to find the time at present as I am trying to keep up on the W10"s evolution.

I could kiss all the heart ache good bye If I could convince myself to only log onto Mint but I really don't understand linux at all and had zero success getting my scanner to function which I need continuously and installing other items not knowing if they are enabled or installed even at all.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 19. June 2016 - 13:30

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Just enter your scanner details into the Mint forum search and someone has bound to have encountered the same issue before and obtained a fix. I use a HP Deskjet for instance and it's just a matter of installing the appropriate driver using Synaptic. MC - Site Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:50

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I will do that I did try google with specific for the LiDE 110 but found nothing, tried Canon but they don't support Linux for it.

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Submitted by lunchbeast on 18. June 2016 - 18:33

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Speaking of Luddites, how far back can we go with this 'make it look like the old version that looked and worked better'? I have always preferred the look and feel of Win2K/WinXP, and I was able to get Win7 to look very similar. If Win10 can be made to look like Win7, can Win10 be made to look like Win7 looking like Win2K/WinXP?

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Submitted by rhiannon on 18. June 2016 - 20:39

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I haven't run across anything that mentions that. If anyone else knows, maybe they'll comment. :)

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Re: How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7 #article

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


Doesn't classic shell and classic Windows Explorer work in Windows 10?
I had heard that they do. If you install those programs, wouldn't it be
easier to obtain the old look rather than making all the changes manually?



On 7/2/2016 5:02 PM, Joe wrote:
I hope the article below helps someone?--Joe




How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7


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Windows 7 screenshot <http://www.techsupportalert.com/files/images/techtreats/Windows7_0.jpg> If you want to use Windows 10 and it's new features (or have to use Windows 10 for various reasons) but would be happier with the Windows 7 interface, then this article is a must read.
The article outlines 15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7, getting you as close to the familiar Windows 7 interface as possible. Windows 10 has made some improvements over Windows 8 (bringing back the Start menu for one) but it's still quite a difference to anyone using Windows 7. With Windows 8, installing a Start Menu Replacement <http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-free-windows-8-start-menu-replacement.htm> made Windows 8 look and act like Windows 7 for the most part. In Windows 10, it's not quite as easy.
Here's a list of the various changes that make Windows 10 more like Windows 7:

* Windows 7 like Start Menu
* Aero Glass Transparency
* Disable the Lock Screen
* Remove Cortana search box from the taskbar
* Disable Windows Explorer ribbon
* Disable Quick Access
* Disable Action Center
* Install desktop gadgets
* Get Windows 7 like folders
* Uninstall and remove Edge browser
* Get rid of default modern apps
* Use a local account to sign in
* Enable the classic Personalization window
* Set Windows 7 wallpaper as your desktop background

Here are two additional helpful Windows 10 articles - one on blocking Windows 10 updates (I'm not in favor of forced updates), and this article has options for Home versions of Windows 10. Windows Pro and up have some options for blocking Windows Updates that the Home version doesn't. The other one addresses six of the most common Windows 10 annoyances and how to fix them.
Block Windows 10 forced updates without breaking your machine <http://www.infoworld.com/article/3053701/microsoft-windows/block-windows-10-forced-updates-without-breaking-your-machine-part-2.html>
Six Windows 10 annoyances: How to make them go away for good <http://www.zdnet.com/article/six-windows-10-annoyances-how-to-make-them-go-away-for-good/>

You may have noticed that there are 14 (instead of 15) items listed. I left off the "Install Windows 7 games" because the link goes to a forum where you have to register to see the information. You can find a direct link to the download listed in our article here: Get Classic Windows 7 Games in Windows 8 and 10 for Free <http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/get-classic-windows-7-games-windows-8-and-10-free.htm> .


15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7 <http://www.intowindows.com/make-windows-10-look-like-windows-7/>



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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 0:44

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My only concern is that after all these tweaks, will any of them break or don't work after another update of Windows 10?

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Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 1:16

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Jojo,
The more you "tweak" the higher the chance of the tweak being "broken" by an update; that update does nothing but "reset" the tweak to a known good default like MIcro$oft wants it.

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 1:48

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Yes eikelein I think it's true that chances are higher for broken parts when we have more tweaks.

The problem is that we do not know if some tweaks are interlinked in the system settings contained in the registry or hidden files and how they work together.

Micro$oft might update some of them, leaving some remaining tweaked parts untouched since they were considered or supposed to be original without needing an update. It would be perfect if the tweaked parts and the updated parts can work together :) but a nightmare if not :(

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Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 2:31

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Jojo,
You are correct again.

And exactly that is why I don't like to tweak at all.

I use Classic Shell; there is at least a chance that things will eventually get fixed should an update "break" it.
Worst case I just uninstall Classic Shell and live with W10 as it is meant to be.

If I really hate it I can still switch to Linux and/or run Linux in Virtual Box... ;-)

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Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:40

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eikelein, how different is Classic Shell from Winaero on how it instigates changes and in your opinion do you think Winaero would have problems with updates?

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Submitted by eikelein on 23. June 2016 - 1:30

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Ron525,
I guess it's about time to wish you a Happy B-Day.

To answer your question: I have no clue. Quite some time ago I found Classic Shell's description, I believe on Sourceforge.
I liked what I read and tried it; have never looked back and just don't have enough time and energy to make any kind of comparison. Sorry.

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Submitted by ron525 on 23. June 2016 - 7:07

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eikelein,
Thanks.

I found Winaero being mentioned a bit on W10, W7 threads on Whirlpool Forum AU, recommended for some tweaks, It has been around for a few years and members have used it for a fair amount of time with no issues being raised.

I don't have it installed on my daily l/top at present so will run it on 2nd l/top to see if it has problems, nothing untoward happened after latest W10 update last night.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 22. June 2016 - 4:48

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There is another issue related to this in that many folks still insist on using so called registry cleaners for reasons beyond my comprehension. These things are coded to see a system in a certain state and chuck out anything that doesn't match. In so doing they are quite capable of trashing Windows and often do. A tweaked system is even more likely to be "corrected" to produce a nice blank screen at next boot . :) MC - Site Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 14:01

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It appears to me as computers were evolving it was a race for the best bling i.e. good colour outstanding icon graphics.

So what happened now we have to put up with faint characters that are hard to see and often small pale colours and flat grade school quality graphics.

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 21. June 2016 - 23:49

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True, ron525, but it appears to me that technology is one thing, trend or fashion is another.

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Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:31

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How true Jojo Yee, I see that issue on my Xiaomi phone adding a lot of fancy mods(many could be called bloat) far out weighs true enhancements, simplifications and fixing bugs.

But I think some of the W10 changes create more actions to get to things as well, or I still have to adjust to a different OS.
Maybe change is not liked but when one is used to a product and it it works so easily and smooth you start to question why it has been altered.

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Submitted by These Old Eyes on 20. June 2016 - 20:21

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Will someone at MS please notice that the population is aging, in many cases (like mine) with diminishing ability for eyes to adjust to radically different light levels? I'd like to see a third party develop an appropriately intrusive "app" (shudder) to restore user control over background colors in Window 10, preferably within the next month!

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 20:41

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This is all I could come up, hopefully things will improve. http://www.groovypost.com/howto/using-Windows-10-improved-color-personal... <http://www.groovypost.com/howto/using-Windows-10-improved-color-personalization-settings/>

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 15:39

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Howdy, rhiannon:

Appreciate your response.

I personally am fed up with Microsoft's ANTICS... however I am dependent on Win 7 now due to software Internet Marketing software that runs on Windows only.

I have been watching Linux for years... but now able to bring myself across the threshold for business purposes... so I have to plead IGNORANCE on my part in regards to the Linux world.

Sounds to me like virtual machine or virtual box would be the way to go vs. dual boot option.

My current laptop is a:

Gateway EC5801u laptop

- Intel Core 2 Duo SU7300 1.2GHz, 4GB DDR3, 500GB HDD, DVDRW, 15.6" LED, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

I am starting to look for a KILLER DEAL on a :

- 15.6 **business** laptop, Quad Core i5 (at most), 16GB DDR4, 256 SSD, 1TB...

which will inevitably come with Win 10... then I will Virtual Machine UP with Linux Mint.

Open to any brilliant comments!

Thx much... ~ Alan

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Submitted by abrandt on 21. June 2016 - 0:19

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Thank you, eikelein and MidnightCowboy !

Truthfully, I have neither the time or inclination to experiment with Linux.

My Linux interest does not stem from a hobby... but business application... user-friendliness and efficiency... keeping in mind I am tethered to Windows due to specialized applications needed for business.

Much appreciate. ~ Alan

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Submitted by eikelein on 20. June 2016 - 22:00

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Alan,
Even for your "oldie" laptop I recommend you at least look at Linux Lite (https://www.linuxliteos.com/).
I have found it to be much more efficient with computer resources than Linux Mint which for me slowed a computer (with much more Ooomph than your laptop) down to a virtual crawl.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 20. June 2016 - 22:21

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There are many issues that determine how slow or fast a particular Linux might run on different hardware. This is a good list to experiment with although not all of these are particularly user friendly. My vote goes to MX Linux. MC - Site Manager. http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-of-the-most-... <http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-of-the-most-popular-lightweight-linux-distros-1295034>

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:20

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There are several virtual machine programs around, you can check out our article here:
Best Free Virtualization Solutions <http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/best-free-virtualization-solutions.htm>

I think Midnight Cowboy runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine using Linux. Maybe he'll chime in with his preferences.

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:27

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rhiannon: Appreciate the reference article. Have read and will implement with new laptop. Thx. ~ Alan

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:39

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If you're inclined to using Virtual Box, you might find this article helpful:
VirtualBox 5.0 Released – Install on RHEL/CentOS/Fedora and Debian/Ubuntu/Linux Mint <http://www.tecmint.com/install-virtualbox-on-redhat-centos-fedora/>

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:46

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rhiannon: Appreciate and reviewed this 2nd vitualization reference article. THX! ~ Alan

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Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 3:22

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Thank you to Stephen Jackson and Bob Peterson for their clean, clear and intelligent comments.
Bob... based on your post... I am going take a more serious look at Linux Mint... even though much of my Internet Marketing software is all Win-concentric.
Thank you, ~ Alan

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Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 14:54

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You can run Windows "inside" Linux, as our very own Midnight Cowboy does, as a virtual machine or virtual box. Another option is to dual boot Windows and Linux.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:45

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I have never looked at running a virtual machine thought it might be complicated,
I am running dual boot W7 and Mint 17.3.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 21. June 2016 - 13:53

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It'as a lot easier than you might think. There are tons of tutorials on Youtube and the web in general, many for specific distros. This is just one example. https://www.pcsteps.com/207-windows-virtual-machine-linux-windows/. The only real issue you might encounter is getting USB recognition for the virtual system but this and anything else are bound to be documented with an appropriate fix in one of the Linux forums. MC - Site Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 19. June 2016 - 12:41

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I have W7 and 10 on partitions on a Compaq l/top to see what 10 was like have found it hard to adjust but have done a lot of retro fitting with Winaero tweaker to make it feel more usable.

My daily is a Toshiba l/top partitioned with W7 and Linux Mint, Really want to move over to Mint but I don't seem to find the time at present as I am trying to keep up on the W10"s evolution.

I could kiss all the heart ache good bye If I could convince myself to only log onto Mint but I really don't understand linux at all and had zero success getting my scanner to function which I need continuously and installing other items not knowing if they are enabled or installed even at all.

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Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 19. June 2016 - 13:30

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Just enter your scanner details into the Mint forum search and someone has bound to have encountered the same issue before and obtained a fix. I use a HP Deskjet for instance and it's just a matter of installing the appropriate driver using Synaptic. MC - Site Manager.

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Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:50

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I will do that I did try google with specific for the LiDE 110 but found nothing, tried Canon but they don't support Linux for it.

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Submitted by lunchbeast on 18. June 2016 - 18:33

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Speaking of Luddites, how far back can we go with this 'make it look like the old version that looked and worked better'? I have always preferred the look and feel of Win2K/WinXP, and I was able to get Win7 to look very similar. If Win10 can be made to look like Win7, can Win10 be made to look like Win7 looking like Win2K/WinXP?

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Submitted by rhiannon on 18. June 2016 - 20:39

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I haven't run across anything that mentions that. If anyone else knows, maybe they'll comment. :)

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Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Matt
 

I don’t think jaws would go away or NVDA ! As for Vo goes if it is a native app it is accessible usually very much with VO ! if it is other apps that developers has made and put in the app store that is not apple responsibility to make Vo work with their app they are supposed to make their app work with Vo. This has been their stance for a long long time! Which this is the way it should be. Same way with Android it is not up to Talk back to be accessible with all apps but the developers must make their apps work with Talk back. Also some apps will never be accessible to us as they are just too graphic . Some app developers just not interested in putting in the time to make there apps accessible to us. Apple does all it can to encourage this! But they are limited. It is mostly a seeing world whether we like it or not!

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

 

while Apple has integrated voiceover with their devices, in my opinion it is still not fully functional. Why else would we have so many apps which are not accessible using voiceover. and the use of several keys needed to accomplished tasks with voiceover is the primary reason I refuse to consider switching from the PC to the Mac. I have been using “windows and Jaws for many years and always seem to find a workaround in the few cases when there is a problem. I am ot sure I would continue to be such an avid computer user without Windows and Jaws. JMO

Marie

 

 

From: Matt

Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:23 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

 

Yes I think it is very poor that their flag ship browser is not accessible to us! I also think they could have and should have made Narrator a full blown integrated screen reader just like Apple did with VO on all it products!

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

 

I have defended Microsoft for years when I thought they deserved it.  I will not defend them in their accessibility implementation of accessibility in Windows 10.  My thoughts on the blog entry are below. 


Almost a year after Windows 10 has been released and Microsoft is still dealing with some of the kinds of things discussed in its blog?  Being passionate about accessibility means not waiting a year and still having significant accessibility problems.  Being passionate about accessibility means having reasonable accessibility at the time of initial release. 

 

And please stop patronizing those who provide feedback.  It isn't incredible.  It's useful and good feedback but incredible?  You aren't accomplishing anything by heaping excessive praise on those who provide feedback but patronizing them.  We don't want to be called incredible nor our feedback.  We want implementation and at a much faster and better rate.  And does some of this feedback really have to be given in order for you to know about it?  Since the nineties, Windows screen-readers have routinely offered speech that can go faster than 430 words per minute.  If your accessibility team really needs user feedback to be aware of the need for fast speech, then what else is the team unaware of that should be common knowledge to anyone working in the field of accessibility? 

 

Gene

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Subject: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

 


> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/ <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/>
>
> Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update
>
> With more than one billion people with disabilities in the world, Microsoft is passionate about accessibility and ensuring our products work for all our customers. Today we are excited to share additional details about the Windows 10 Anniversary Update which represents a significant step forward in our effort to make Microsoft products accessible. We encourage anyone already running Windows 10 to upgrade when the update becomes available. We also recognize that we must continue to invest in accessibility and are committed to the continued improvement of built-in features like Narrator and Magnifier as well as the accessibility of experiences and apps like Cortana, Mail and setup. If you are a user of Assistive Technology and are still using Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 and want to wait to upgrade, don’t forget that you will still have the opportunity to upgrade at no cost even after the Windows 10 free upgrade period ends. We will have a page available on July 29 for people using AT to take advantage of the free upgrade offer.
>
> We have already shared many of these details with our Windows Insider program over the last several months, so this blog post will recap those areas and share a few new things. Customer feedback through the Windows Insider program and from our users with disabilities has been essential to helping us focus our work in several key areas. These include improving the screen reading experience with Narrator, the accessibility of experiences and apps like Microsoft Edge, Mail and the Start menu, as well as better tools and resources for developers to build more accessible apps and experiences.
>
> Improved Screen Reading with Narrator
>
> As we’ve stated in a series of recent blog posts, a lot of changes with Narrator that you will see as a part of the Windows 10 Anniversary Update were directly influenced by your incredible feedback. Those changes include:
>
> Faster text to speech voices
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> We’ve added new voices to Narrator that offer a much faster top rate of speech. Our current voices average a maximum of roughly 400 words per minute. The new voices average nearly twice that at approximately 800 words per minute.
>
> New languages in Narrator
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> We continue to add new international languages for Narrator, including Arabic and several Nordic languages. The following new languages will be available either with the corresponding international version of Windows or will be available for download.
>
> Spanish (Mexico) French (Canada) Portuguese (Brazil)
> Arabic (Egypt) Catalan (Spain) Danish (Denmark)
> Finnish (Finland) Norwegian (Norway) Dutch (Belgium)
> Dutch (Netherlands) Portuguese (Portugal) Swedish (Sweden)
> Turkish (Turkey)
> More familiar keyboard navigation
>
> Keyboard commands in Narrator are now more familiar to users of other screen readers. Some keyboard interactions have been simplified to ensure better ergonomics, making them easier to type.
>
> Introducing scan mode
>
> We’ve introduced a new navigation mode to Narrator called Scan mode. Scan Mode is turned on with a press of CAPS LOCK and SPACE. While you are in Scan mode you can press SPACE to activate an item of interest, such as following a link on a web page or pressing a button in an app.
>
> Six levels of verbosity
>
> Narrator now supports six levels of verbosity for giving you more details about the characteristics of text. You can cycle through these modes by pressing CAPS LOCK + CTRL + (PLUS). For example, at what we call Verbose mode 0 (zero), you will hear just the text. At verbose mode 1, you might hear if the text is a heading. At other verbose levels, you will get varying indications of other text properties, like text color or formatting.
>
> Punctuation Modes
>
> Narrator now gives you more control over how much punctuation you hear when reading text. CAPS LOCK+ALT+(PLUS) and CAPS LOCK+ALT+(MINUS) cycle through the settings for punctuation. The settings for punctuation include none, some, most, all and math along with default.
>
> Now announcing AutoSuggest results
>
> Many applications in Windows 10 offer automatic suggestions as you enter information. For example, when you start entering a search term in an application search box you may get suggestions based on what you are entering. With Narrator you will now get a verbal hint with an audio indication when these suggestions are available.
>
> Feedback made easy
>
> Pressing CAPS LOCK + E + E when running Narrator is an easy way to send us feedback. This shortcut will bring up a feedback form where you can submit comments and suggestions about your experience with Narrator.
>
> User guides and documentation
>
> Our documentation team has been working hard to update the resources available to those who are learning how to use Narrator. We are looking forward to providing improved and more complete documentation like an updated Narrator user guide that will be available online when the Anniversary Update is released.
>
> Working to make apps and experiences more accessible
>
> Along with many of these accessibility updates to Windows 10, most of our app teams have also been making regular updates. Below are a few of the notable highlights.
>
> More accessible browsing and reading with Microsoft Edge
>
> In a series of blog posts, the Microsoft Edge team has been providing detailed updates on their accessibility progress. For example, the team has already shared how work to support modern web accessibility standards is helping developers more easily build accessible sites. And with the introduction of Microsoft Edge’s new accessibility architecture, we are working to make Edge a more inclusive and reliable experience for everyone. The team has also been working closely with the most popular third-party assistive technology vendors to guide them through the transition to this new platform.
>
> In addition to the work the team has already shared, we are also excited for you to try the improvements to the end user accessibility experience of the Microsoft Edge app and PDF reader. These include broad support for tagged PDF files, and a wide range of improvements to common daily browsing features such as address bar, tabs, windows, and favorites.
>
> Mail
>
> Since the initial release of Windows 10 last summer, there have been many improvements to the accessibility of the Mail app. The Mail team described many of these updates in a blog last February and has since that time continued to make progress on things like improving the account setup experience when using a screen reader.
>
> Cortana
>
> You can more reliably operate search and Cortana with the keyboard, including things like navigating using arrow keys and tab order. There are also Improvements to high contrast that make the Cortana UI more legible in all contrast modes. The team has also made a number of general fixes that improve the experience with Cortana when using accessibility tools such as Windows Speech Recognition, Narrator and other screen-readers.
>
> Groove
>
> The Groove team has delivered a number of key updates for low vision users like better support for high DPI scaling and better high contrast support, including better color combinations and the boxing of text when appearing on top of album art. In addition, the team has done work to make the app a better experience when using a screen reader by adding a number of new shortcut keys as well as fixing a number of bugs when using Narrator.
>
> Making accessibility easier for developers
>
> In addition to the progress being made with our apps and built-in accessibility features we have been making investments in the tools and reference materials that developers rely on to create accessible experiences within their apps and websites. Here are a few developer resources we have already made available or will be a part of the Windows 10 anniversary Update.
>
> New Tools
>
> Developer tools are essential to making accessibility just work. The Visual Studio App Analysis tool was updated to helping devs to find, triage and fix accessibility errors like flagging controls that don’t have an accessible name. We also introduced a new developer mode in Narrator. Narrator dev mode can be turned on when Narrator is already running by pressing SHIFT + CAPS LOCK + F12. When dev mode is turned on the screen will be masked and will highlight only the accessible objects and the associated text that is exposed programmatically to Narrator.
>
> XAML Improvements
>
> The XAML team has improved the support for Mnemonics within Universal Windows Apps (UWA’s) allowing for better Access Key customizations. For example, the developer of a shopping app can now assign a custom Access Key like P, that can be activated by pressing ALT then the letter P, in order to activate the purchase button.
>
> Improved Documentation
>
> And finally the team has worked hard to improve the discoverability and update the documentation we provide for developers. We recently relaunched the accessibility developer hub as well as general design guidelines and sample code for accessibility.
>
> Most importantly, your feedback is imperative to getting accessibility right. Keep letting us know what accessibility features are important to you. If you are already running Windows 10, you can simply press CAPS LOCK + E (two times) to bring up a feedback form when using Narrator. Or, if you are technically minded, you can help us by becoming a Windows Insider and giving us feedback on the latest updates to Windows as we are building them.
>
> Previous Blogs and Resources:
>
> Windows
>
> Further Details on the Coming Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10 <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/09/further-details-on-the-coming-improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>
> Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10 <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/11/improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>
> Making Windows 10 and Office 365 more accessible: Our path forward <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/24/making-windows-10-and-office-365-more-accessible-our-path-forward/>
> Accessibility Update for Windows 10 Mail <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/01/accessibility-update-for-windows-10-mail/>
> Accessibility and the Windows 10 Free Upgrade <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/06/accessibility-and-the-windows-10-free-upgrade/>
> Microsoft Edge
>
> Ensuring high-quality browser accessibility with automation <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/26/new-edge-blog-ensuring-high-quality-browser-accessibility-with-automation/>
> Building a more accessible user experience with HTML5 and UIA <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/13/new-edge-blog-building-a-more-accessible-user-experience-with-html5-and-uia/>
> Building a More Accessible Web Platform <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/21/building-a-more-accessible-web-platform/>
> Developers
>
> Accessibility Design guidelines <https://msdn.microsoft.com/windows/uwp/accessibility/accessibility-overview>
> Accessibility Developer Hub <https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/accessible-apps>


Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Matt
 

I don’t use that so that is not an option for me. I use jaws then NVDA as my first backup and then Narrator .

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

 

It is accessible with Window Eyes.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:24 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

 

Well I have been always a IE man most of the time! Now let's talk about chrome ! Just how accessible is Chrome with Jaws the last time I tried it  it was not very good.


Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

I must agree with jean and carlos here. As long as we as blind people keep making excuses for microsoft then we should not be surprise where it goes. Its not exceptable what they are doing for the last few years, and nothing they say will change my attidute towards them. Now its time for practise, to show us what they really can do. Its easy to talk. There are many developers asking for feedback and doing nothing about it wich prove that feedback alone is no way to be sure if the product will improve. Microsoft does not care about accessibility and I keep to that statement until they prove me wrong. These smaller changes we see now is just to keep us in a so called more happyer zone because they know there are people like rj wich will buy into that nonsense. And why can we not complain? We have every write to complain. Accessibility is a rite, and we shall keep enforcing and demanding it. Yes your attitude must be write but in this case ms is more than aware of the reality of the situation. They know they are guilty but they won't admit it to the public. To keep saying things like "at least they will do something" is a waste of time and it bring us no where. Either they deliver or the other screenreaders get stronger. And why shall I use the simpel ej browser anyway if firefox and chrome work so well?

On 02/07/2016, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
> I didn't say that other screen readers would just disappear, but I
> believe that third-party developers might have less incentive to
> invest much time and effort in serious development if a full-blown
> screen reader were built-in.  The screen reader market already has a
> limited margin for profit
>
> and Microsoft would always have the edge in terms of adding new
> features if
>
> they became seriously invested in Narrator.  Consumers might also have
> less
>
> incentive to purchase third-party screen readers if most of the
> functionality they need were already included in Windows.  Windows is
> not Android.  The alternatives are either very expensive or free in
> the case of
>
> NVDA.  In the case of more expensive screen readers, consumers would
> almost
>
> always choose the fully functional option that is built-in and does
> not cost
>
> nearly $1000.  Organizations which provide sponsorship for obtaining
> computers would also have less reason to purchase screen readers like JAWS.
>
> Of course some people might think this is a good thing, but if sales
> of JAWS
>
> were to drop significantly, eventually it might make continuing to
> produce the product unviable which in turn means fewer options.  It is
> hard to say whether NVDA would be affected, but the development of
> NVDA is supported partially by donations and partially by the
> motivation of the developers, either of which could potentially be
> affected by the inclusion of a full-blown screen reader in Windows.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10
>
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>
> Hi Carlos,
> I deleted your original post, but, know how you're saying Mac? To my
> knowledge, talkBack is built into android, yet, there's another one
> called ShinePlus.  I wonder, if, say, MS made a fully built in screen
> reader, as long as windows was opened, I can't see why something like
> would NVDA died.  Apple is different, as their system is not opened.
>
> Sent from a BrailleNote
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <manbatsandefur@...
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 18:11:19 +0000
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
> No it wouldn't.  RJ
>
>
> On 7/2/2016 1:53 PM, Carlos wrote:
>  Whether Narrator becomes a full-blown screen reader some day, it has
> a  long  way to go.  And in my opinion, making Narrator a full-blown
> screen reader  would only stifle development for the competition.  It
> is good to have  options and Macs are a good example of what happens
> when a full-blown  screen  reader is built-in to the operating system.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "RJ Sandefur" <manbatsandefur@...
>  To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
>  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:41 PM
>  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10  Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>
>  I am not usually one to use this type of strong language, but really?
>  How do you think NVDA and Jaws got to where they are? Feedback!
> Let's
>  all give narrator a chance.  Microsoft alone won't make the
> screenreader,  but together, the end users,(Us the blind community)
> will make Narrator  a screenreader which could even beat out voice
> over if we really wanted  it bad enough.  RJ
>
>
>  On 7/2/2016 1:19 PM, Marie wrote:
>  I find Narrator useful on occasion, but it is far from being a full
> screen reader and I would hate it if they made it like the Apple
> devices where it is your only choice.
>  Marie
>
>
>  -----Original Message----- From: Carlos
>  Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:33 AM
>  To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>  If they are going somewhere with Narrator, then they should simply
> release a  major upgrade when it is ready to be used as a full-blown
> screen  reader.  At  this point it is wasted effort to introduce these
> minor changes since  it is  still not functional enough to be used by
> most on a daily basis.
>  Gradually
>  introducing features that most people probably won't use because
> there  is a  better free alternative seems like effort that could be
> more  productively  invested somewhere else for now.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...
>  To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
>  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:00 AM
>  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10  Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>
>  Yeah, but they might be going somewhere with it which we don't know
> about  just yet.  Some of the features discussed in the article seem
> as though  they  may have been influenced by general screen reader
> tech.
>
>  They might first want to start with the Windows OS then ultimately
> create a  VoiceOver competitor for future Windows devices.
>
>  With technology advancing as it does, why not accept the help from
> one of  the biggest computer software developers in the world?
> Furthermore,
>  this
>  development might yield discoveries which will help with other
> related  disabilities experienced by an aging population.
>
>  JR
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of  Carlos
>  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:03 AM
>  To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10  Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>  And honestly, the focus on Narrator seems like wasted time and
> somewhat  excessive in my opinion.  How many people really use
> Narrator on a  daily  basis?  The fact is that most users only run
> Narrator in an emergency  or to  finish setting up Windows.  It is
> useful and convenient to have, but  for  most it does not provide
> enough functionality to be used as a primary  screen  reader.  These
> days those who cannot afford one of the expensive screen  readers will
> most likely use NVDA.  And Narrator has a long way to go  before  it
> can compete with NVDA.  That being the case, I believe their time  and
> effort would be better spent on improving accessibility in other
> areas.  If  NVDA did not exist, then the efforts to improve Narrator
> might seem  more  significant, but again in my opinion at this time,
> it just seems like  wasted  effort.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...
>  To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:23 AM
>  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10  Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>  I have defended Microsoft for years when I thought they deserved it.
>  I will
>  not defend them in their accessibility implementation of
> accessibility in  Windows 10.  My thoughts on the blog entry are below
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 


It is accessible with Window Eyes.

----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Well I have been always a IE man most of the time! Now let's talk about chrome ! Just how accessible is Chrome with Jaws the last time I tried it  it was not very good.


Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

I must agree with jean and carlos here. As long as we as blind people keep making excuses for microsoft then we should not be surprise where it goes. Its not exceptable what they are doing for the last few years, and nothing they say will change my attidute towards them. Now its time for practise, to show us what they really can do. Its easy to talk. There are many developers asking for feedback and doing nothing about it wich prove that feedback alone is no way to be sure if the product will improve. Microsoft does not care about accessibility and I keep to that statement until they prove me wrong. These smaller changes we see now is just to keep us in a so called more happyer zone because they know there are people like rj wich will buy into that nonsense. And why can we not complain? We have every write to complain. Accessibility is a rite, and we shall keep enforcing and demanding it. Yes your attitude must be write but in this case ms is more than aware of the reality of the situation. They know they are guilty but they won't admit it to the public. To keep saying things like "at least they will do something" is a waste of time and it bring us no where. Either they deliver or the other screenreaders get stronger. And why shall I use the simpel ej browser anyway if firefox and chrome work so well?

On 02/07/2016, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:
> I didn't say that other screen readers would just disappear, but I
> believe that third-party developers might have less incentive to
> invest much time and effort in serious development if a full-blown
> screen reader were built-in.  The screen reader market already has a
> limited margin for profit
>
> and Microsoft would always have the edge in terms of adding new
> features if
>
> they became seriously invested in Narrator.  Consumers might also have
> less
>
> incentive to purchase third-party screen readers if most of the
> functionality they need were already included in Windows.  Windows is
> not Android.  The alternatives are either very expensive or free in
> the case of
>
> NVDA.  In the case of more expensive screen readers, consumers would
> almost
>
> always choose the fully functional option that is built-in and does
> not cost
>
> nearly $1000.  Organizations which provide sponsorship for obtaining
> computers would also have less reason to purchase screen readers like JAWS.
>
> Of course some people might think this is a good thing, but if sales
> of JAWS
>
> were to drop significantly, eventually it might make continuing to
> produce the product unviable which in turn means fewer options.  It is
> hard to say whether NVDA would be affected, but the development of
> NVDA is supported partially by donations and partially by the
> motivation of the developers, either of which could potentially be
> affected by the inclusion of a full-blown screen reader in Windows.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10
>
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>
> Hi Carlos,
> I deleted your original post, but, know how you're saying Mac? To my
> knowledge, talkBack is built into android, yet, there's another one
> called ShinePlus.  I wonder, if, say, MS made a fully built in screen
> reader, as long as windows was opened, I can't see why something like
> would NVDA died.  Apple is different, as their system is not opened.
>
> Sent from a BrailleNote
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <manbatsandefur@...
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 18:11:19 +0000
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
> No it wouldn't.  RJ
>
>
> On 7/2/2016 1:53 PM, Carlos wrote:
>  Whether Narrator becomes a full-blown screen reader some day, it has
> a  long  way to go.  And in my opinion, making Narrator a full-blown
> screen reader  would only stifle development for the competition.  It
> is good to have  options and Macs are a good example of what happens
> when a full-blown  screen  reader is built-in to the operating system.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "RJ Sandefur" <manbatsandefur@...
>  To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
>  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:41 PM
>  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10  Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>
>  I am not usually one to use this type of strong language, but really?
>  How do you think NVDA and Jaws got to where they are? Feedback!
> Let's
>  all give narrator a chance.  Microsoft alone won't make the
> screenreader,  but together, the end users,(Us the blind community)
> will make Narrator  a screenreader which could even beat out voice
> over if we really wanted  it bad enough.  RJ
>
>
>  On 7/2/2016 1:19 PM, Marie wrote:
>  I find Narrator useful on occasion, but it is far from being a full
> screen reader and I would hate it if they made it like the Apple
> devices where it is your only choice.
>  Marie
>
>
>  -----Original Message----- From: Carlos
>  Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:33 AM
>  To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>  If they are going somewhere with Narrator, then they should simply
> release a  major upgrade when it is ready to be used as a full-blown
> screen  reader.  At  this point it is wasted effort to introduce these
> minor changes since  it is  still not functional enough to be used by
> most on a daily basis.
>  Gradually
>  introducing features that most people probably won't use because
> there  is a  better free alternative seems like effort that could be
> more  productively  invested somewhere else for now.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...
>  To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
>  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:00 AM
>  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10  Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>
>  Yeah, but they might be going somewhere with it which we don't know
> about  just yet.  Some of the features discussed in the article seem
> as though  they  may have been influenced by general screen reader
> tech.
>
>  They might first want to start with the Windows OS then ultimately
> create a  VoiceOver competitor for future Windows devices.
>
>  With technology advancing as it does, why not accept the help from
> one of  the biggest computer software developers in the world?
> Furthermore,
>  this
>  development might yield discoveries which will help with other
> related  disabilities experienced by an aging population.
>
>  JR
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of  Carlos
>  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:03 AM
>  To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10  Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>  And honestly, the focus on Narrator seems like wasted time and
> somewhat  excessive in my opinion.  How many people really use
> Narrator on a  daily  basis?  The fact is that most users only run
> Narrator in an emergency  or to  finish setting up Windows.  It is
> useful and convenient to have, but  for  most it does not provide
> enough functionality to be used as a primary  screen  reader.  These
> days those who cannot afford one of the expensive screen  readers will
> most likely use NVDA.  And Narrator has a long way to go  before  it
> can compete with NVDA.  That being the case, I believe their time  and
> effort would be better spent on improving accessibility in other
> areas.  If  NVDA did not exist, then the efforts to improve Narrator
> might seem  more  significant, but again in my opinion at this time,
> it just seems like  wasted  effort.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...
>  To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:23 AM
>  Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10  Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>  I have defended Microsoft for years when I thought they deserved it.
>  I will
>  not defend them in their accessibility implementation of
> accessibility in  Windows 10.  My thoughts on the blog entry are below
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: question on muting thred

Sugar Lopez
 

Thanks Carols
Sugar

'Faith is seeing light with your heart when all your eyes see is darkness.'
Sugar

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 2:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] question on muting thred

You can only unmute a thread from the groups.io page by logging in, but you
would not then receive prior messages from the thread if that is what you
had in mind. You would only receive subsequent messages from the thread
after unmuting it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sugar" <sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:19 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] question on muting thred


Hi all
Seems that all this chatting about guns, laws, right, etc... got way
out of hand for me..smile So if I was to mute this thred on guns,
cars.... how do I unmute it if and when I come back?
Good day
Sugar

"I Rather Walk In Darkness With God, Than To Walk Alone In The Light"
-Sugar

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Re: question on muting thred

Carlos
 

You can only unmute a thread from the groups.io page by logging in, but you would not then receive prior messages from the thread if that is what you had in mind. You would only receive subsequent messages from the thread after unmuting it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sugar" <sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:19 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] question on muting thred


Hi all
Seems that all this chatting about guns, laws, right, etc... got way out of
hand for me..smile
So if I was to mute this thred on guns, cars.... how do I unmute it if and
when I come back?
Good day
Sugar

"I Rather Walk In Darkness With God, Than To Walk Alone In The Light"
-Sugar

Come and joine me and my busy elves at the North Pole for fun and tasty
Recipes all around, especially for Christmas!:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Santas-Workshop





Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Matt
 

Well I have been always a IE man most of the time! Now let's talk about chrome ! Just how accessible is Chrome with Jaws the last time I tried it it was not very good.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

I must agree with jean and carlos here. As long as we as blind people keep making excuses for microsoft then we should not be surprise where it goes. Its not exceptable what they are doing for the last few years, and nothing they say will change my attidute towards them. Now its time for practise, to show us what they really can do. Its easy to talk. There are many developers asking for feedback and doing nothing about it wich prove that feedback alone is no way to be sure if the product will improve. Microsoft does not care about accessibility and I keep to that statement until they prove me wrong. These smaller changes we see now is just to keep us in a so called more happyer zone because they know there are people like rj wich will buy into that nonsense. And why can we not complain? We have every write to complain. Accessibility is a rite, and we shall keep enforcing and demanding it. Yes your attitude must be write but in this case ms is more than aware of the reality of the situation. They know they are guilty but they won't admit it to the public. To keep saying things like "at least they will do something" is a waste of time and it bring us no where. Either they deliver or the other screenreaders get stronger. And why shall I use the simpel ej browser anyway if firefox and chrome work so well?

On 02/07/2016, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I didn't say that other screen readers would just disappear, but I
believe that third-party developers might have less incentive to
invest much time and effort in serious development if a full-blown
screen reader were built-in. The screen reader market already has a
limited margin for profit

and Microsoft would always have the edge in terms of adding new
features if

they became seriously invested in Narrator. Consumers might also have
less

incentive to purchase third-party screen readers if most of the
functionality they need were already included in Windows. Windows is
not Android. The alternatives are either very expensive or free in
the case of

NVDA. In the case of more expensive screen readers, consumers would
almost

always choose the fully functional option that is built-in and does
not cost

nearly $1000. Organizations which provide sponsorship for obtaining
computers would also have less reason to purchase screen readers like JAWS.

Of course some people might think this is a good thing, but if sales
of JAWS

were to drop significantly, eventually it might make continuing to
produce the product unviable which in turn means fewer options. It is
hard to say whether NVDA would be affected, but the development of
NVDA is supported partially by donations and partially by the
motivation of the developers, either of which could potentially be
affected by the inclusion of a full-blown screen reader in Windows.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10

Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Hi Carlos,
I deleted your original post, but, know how you're saying Mac? To my
knowledge, talkBack is built into android, yet, there's another one
called ShinePlus. I wonder, if, say, MS made a fully built in screen
reader, as long as windows was opened, I can't see why something like
would NVDA died. Apple is different, as their system is not opened.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "RJ Sandefur" <manbatsandefur@outlook.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 18:11:19 +0000
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

No it wouldn't. RJ


On 7/2/2016 1:53 PM, Carlos wrote:
Whether Narrator becomes a full-blown screen reader some day, it has
a long way to go. And in my opinion, making Narrator a full-blown
screen reader would only stifle development for the competition. It
is good to have options and Macs are a good example of what happens
when a full-blown screen reader is built-in to the operating system.
----- Original Message -----
From: "RJ Sandefur" <manbatsandefur@outlook.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I am not usually one to use this type of strong language, but really?
How do you think NVDA and Jaws got to where they are? Feedback!
Let's
all give narrator a chance. Microsoft alone won't make the
screenreader, but together, the end users,(Us the blind community)
will make Narrator a screenreader which could even beat out voice
over if we really wanted it bad enough. RJ


On 7/2/2016 1:19 PM, Marie wrote:
I find Narrator useful on occasion, but it is far from being a full
screen reader and I would hate it if they made it like the Apple
devices where it is your only choice.
Marie


-----Original Message----- From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

If they are going somewhere with Narrator, then they should simply
release a major upgrade when it is ready to be used as a full-blown
screen reader. At this point it is wasted effort to introduce these
minor changes since it is still not functional enough to be used by
most on a daily basis.
Gradually
introducing features that most people probably won't use because
there is a better free alternative seems like effort that could be
more productively invested somewhere else for now.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Yeah, but they might be going somewhere with it which we don't know
about just yet. Some of the features discussed in the article seem
as though they may have been influenced by general screen reader
tech.

They might first want to start with the Windows OS then ultimately
create a VoiceOver competitor for future Windows devices.

With technology advancing as it does, why not accept the help from
one of the biggest computer software developers in the world?
Furthermore,
this
development might yield discoveries which will help with other
related disabilities experienced by an aging population.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

And honestly, the focus on Narrator seems like wasted time and
somewhat excessive in my opinion. How many people really use
Narrator on a daily basis? The fact is that most users only run
Narrator in an emergency or to finish setting up Windows. It is
useful and convenient to have, but for most it does not provide
enough functionality to be used as a primary screen reader. These
days those who cannot afford one of the expensive screen readers will
most likely use NVDA. And Narrator has a long way to go before it
can compete with NVDA. That being the case, I believe their time and
effort would be better spent on improving accessibility in other
areas. If NVDA did not exist, then the efforts to improve Narrator
might seem more significant, but again in my opinion at this time,
it just seems like wasted effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

I have defended Microsoft for years when I thought they deserved it.
I will
not defend them in their accessibility implementation of
accessibility in Windows 10. My thoughts on the blog entry are below






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Re: Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Matt
 

Yes but that is because they are at such distance they are not really seeing
the target but going by coordinates or GPS to make the strike. But don't
know if they would ever do something like that for the consumer or not. I
would say not!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rob
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 3:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:
Most of the people using a scope is
visuall no matter what kind of scope it is . So don't know if audio
tone would be in the mix ever.
As I recall it, Stinger anti aircraft missiles (which are handheld) emit a
tone when they are locking onto a target. Beep, beep, beep, then a long
steady beep once target is locked on. Seems logical that they could do
something similar for rifles.
The trick would be making sure you're not shooting at something in blaze
orange.


question on muting thred

Sugar Lopez
 

Hi all
Seems that all this chatting about guns, laws, right, etc... got way out of
hand for me..smile
So if I was to mute this thred on guns, cars.... how do I unmute it if and
when I come back?
Good day
Sugar

"I Rather Walk In Darkness With God, Than To Walk Alone In The Light"
-Sugar

Come and joine me and my busy elves at the North Pole for fun and tasty
Recipes all around, especially for Christmas!:
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Re: How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7 #article

Carlos
 


In my case Classic Shell
took care of about 95% of anything that I missed from previous versions of Windows.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7

I hope the article below helps someone?--Joe

 

How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7

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Windows 7 screenshotIf you want to use Windows 10 and it's new features (or have to use Windows 10 for various reasons) but would be happier with the Windows 7 interface, then this article is a must read.
The article outlines 15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7, getting you as close to the familiar Windows 7 interface as possible. Windows 10 has made some improvements over Windows 8 (bringing back the Start menu for one) but it's still quite a difference to anyone using Windows 7. With Windows 8, installing a Start Menu Replacement made Windows 8 look and act like Windows 7 for the most part. In Windows 10, it's not quite as easy.
Here's a list of the various changes that make Windows 10 more like Windows 7:

  • Windows 7 like Start Menu
  • Aero Glass Transparency
  • Disable the Lock Screen
  • Remove Cortana search box from the taskbar
  • Disable Windows Explorer ribbon
  • Disable Quick Access
  • Disable Action Center
  • Install desktop gadgets
  • Get Windows 7 like folders
  • Uninstall and remove Edge browser
  • Get rid of default modern apps
  • Use a local account to sign in
  • Enable the classic Personalization window
  • Set Windows 7 wallpaper as your desktop background

Here are two additional helpful Windows 10 articles - one on blocking Windows 10 updates (I'm not in favor of forced updates), and this article has options for Home versions of Windows 10. Windows Pro and up have some options for blocking Windows Updates that the Home version doesn't. The other one addresses six of the most common Windows 10 annoyances and how to fix them.
Block Windows 10 forced updates without breaking your machine
Six Windows 10 annoyances: How to make them go away for good

You may have noticed that there are 14 (instead of 15) items listed. I left off the "Install Windows 7 games" because the link goes to a forum where you have to register to see the information. You can find a direct link to the download listed in our article here: Get Classic Windows 7 Games in Windows 8 and 10 for Free.

15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7
 

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 0:44

(126982)

My only concern is that after all these tweaks, will any of them break or don't work after another update of Windows 10?

Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 1:16

(126983)

Jojo,
The more you "tweak" the higher the chance of the tweak being "broken" by an update; that update does nothing but "reset" the tweak to a known good default like MIcro$oft wants it.

Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 1:48

(126984)

Yes eikelein I think it's true that chances are higher for broken parts when we have more tweaks.

The problem is that we do not know if some tweaks are interlinked in the system settings contained in the registry or hidden files and how they work together.

Micro$oft might update some of them, leaving some remaining tweaked parts untouched since they were considered or supposed to be original without needing an update. It would be perfect if the tweaked parts and the updated parts can work together :) but a nightmare if not :(

Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 2:31

(126987)

Jojo,
You are correct again.

And exactly that is why I don't like to tweak at all.

I use Classic Shell; there is at least a chance that things will eventually get fixed should an update "break" it.
Worst case I just uninstall Classic Shell and live with W10 as it is meant to be.

If I really hate it I can still switch to Linux and/or run Linux in Virtual Box... ;-)

Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:40

(126995)

eikelein, how different is Classic Shell from Winaero on how it instigates changes and in your opinion do you think Winaero would have problems with updates?

Submitted by eikelein on 23. June 2016 - 1:30

(127001)

Ron525,
I guess it's about time to wish you a Happy B-Day.

To answer your question: I have no clue. Quite some time ago I found Classic Shell's description, I believe on Sourceforge.
I liked what I read and tried it; have never looked back and just don't have enough time and energy to make any kind of comparison. Sorry.

Submitted by ron525 on 23. June 2016 - 7:07

(127005)

eikelein,
Thanks.

I found Winaero being mentioned a bit on W10, W7 threads on Whirlpool Forum AU, recommended for some tweaks, It has been around for a few years and members have used it for a fair amount of time with no issues being raised.

I don't have it installed on my daily l/top at present so will run it on 2nd l/top to see if it has problems, nothing untoward happened after latest W10 update last night.

Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 22. June 2016 - 4:48

(126989)

There is another issue related to this in that many folks still insist on using so called registry cleaners for reasons beyond my comprehension. These things are coded to see a system in a certain state and chuck out anything that doesn't match. In so doing they are quite capable of trashing Windows and often do. A tweaked system is even more likely to be "corrected" to produce a nice blank screen at next boot . :) MC - Site Manager.

Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 14:01

(126976)

It appears to me as computers were evolving it was a race for the best bling i.e. good colour outstanding icon graphics.

So what happened now we have to put up with faint characters that are hard to see and often small pale colours and flat grade school quality graphics.

Submitted by Jojo Yee on 21. June 2016 - 23:49

(126980)

True, ron525, but it appears to me that technology is one thing, trend or fashion is another.

Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:31

(126994)

How true Jojo Yee, I see that issue on my Xiaomi phone adding a lot of fancy mods(many could be called bloat) far out weighs true enhancements, simplifications and fixing bugs.

But I think some of the W10 changes create more actions to get to things as well, or I still have to adjust to a different OS.
Maybe change is not liked but when one is used to a product and it it works so easily and smooth you start to question why it has been altered.

Submitted by These Old Eyes on 20. June 2016 - 20:21

(126966)

Will someone at MS please notice that the population is aging, in many cases (like mine) with diminishing ability for eyes to adjust to radically different light levels? I'd like to see a third party develop an appropriately intrusive "app" (shudder) to restore user control over background colors in Window 10, preferably within the next month!

Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 20:41

(126967)

This is all I could come up, hopefully things will improve. http://www.groovypost.com/howto/using-Windows-10-improved-color-personal...

Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 15:39

(126959)

Howdy, rhiannon:

Appreciate your response.

I personally am fed up with Microsoft's ANTICS... however I am dependent on Win 7 now due to software Internet Marketing software that runs on Windows only.

I have been watching Linux for years... but now able to bring myself across the threshold for business purposes... so I have to plead IGNORANCE on my part in regards to the Linux world.

Sounds to me like virtual machine or virtual box would be the way to go vs. dual boot option.

My current laptop is a:

Gateway EC5801u laptop

- Intel Core 2 Duo SU7300 1.2GHz, 4GB DDR3, 500GB HDD, DVDRW, 15.6" LED, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

I am starting to look for a KILLER DEAL on a :

- 15.6 **business** laptop, Quad Core i5 (at most), 16GB DDR4, 256 SSD, 1TB...

which will inevitably come with Win 10... then I will Virtual Machine UP with Linux Mint.

Open to any brilliant comments!

Thx much... ~ Alan

Submitted by abrandt on 21. June 2016 - 0:19

(126970)

Thank you, eikelein and MidnightCowboy !

Truthfully, I have neither the time or inclination to experiment with Linux.

My Linux interest does not stem from a hobby... but business application... user-friendliness and efficiency... keeping in mind I am tethered to Windows due to specialized applications needed for business.

Much appreciate. ~ Alan

Submitted by eikelein on 20. June 2016 - 22:00

(126968)

Alan,
Even for your "oldie" laptop I recommend you at least look at Linux Lite (https://www.linuxliteos.com/).
I have found it to be much more efficient with computer resources than Linux Mint which for me slowed a computer (with much more Ooomph than your laptop) down to a virtual crawl.

Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 20. June 2016 - 22:21

(126969)

There are many issues that determine how slow or fast a particular Linux might run on different hardware. This is a good list to experiment with although not all of these are particularly user friendly. My vote goes to MX Linux. MC - Site Manager. http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-of-the-most-...

Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:20

(126962)

There are several virtual machine programs around, you can check out our article here:
Best Free Virtualization Solutions

I think Midnight Cowboy runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine using Linux. Maybe he'll chime in with his preferences.

Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:27

(126963)

rhiannon: Appreciate the reference article. Have read and will implement with new laptop. Thx. ~ Alan

Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:39

(126964)

If you're inclined to using Virtual Box, you might find this article helpful:
VirtualBox 5.0 Released – Install on RHEL/CentOS/Fedora and Debian/Ubuntu/Linux Mint

Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:46

(126965)

rhiannon: Appreciate and reviewed this 2nd vitualization reference article. THX! ~ Alan

Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 3:22

(126951)

Thank you to Stephen Jackson and Bob Peterson for their clean, clear and intelligent comments.
Bob... based on your post... I am going take a more serious look at Linux Mint... even though much of my Internet Marketing software is all Win-concentric.
Thank you, ~ Alan

Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 14:54

(126956)

You can run Windows "inside" Linux, as our very own Midnight Cowboy does, as a virtual machine or virtual box. Another option is to dual boot Windows and Linux.

Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:45

(126973)

I have never looked at running a virtual machine thought it might be complicated,
I am running dual boot W7 and Mint 17.3.

Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 21. June 2016 - 13:53

(126975)

It'as a lot easier than you might think. There are tons of tutorials on Youtube and the web in general, many for specific distros. This is just one example. https://www.pcsteps.com/207-windows-virtual-machine-linux-windows/. The only real issue you might encounter is getting USB recognition for the virtual system but this and anything else are bound to be documented with an appropriate fix in one of the Linux forums. MC - Site Manager.

Submitted by ron525 on 19. June 2016 - 12:41

(126947)

I have W7 and 10 on partitions on a Compaq l/top to see what 10 was like have found it hard to adjust but have done a lot of retro fitting with Winaero tweaker to make it feel more usable.

My daily is a Toshiba l/top partitioned with W7 and Linux Mint, Really want to move over to Mint but I don't seem to find the time at present as I am trying to keep up on the W10"s evolution.

I could kiss all the heart ache good bye If I could convince myself to only log onto Mint but I really don't understand linux at all and had zero success getting my scanner to function which I need continuously and installing other items not knowing if they are enabled or installed even at all.

Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 19. June 2016 - 13:30

(126950)

Just enter your scanner details into the Mint forum search and someone has bound to have encountered the same issue before and obtained a fix. I use a HP Deskjet for instance and it's just a matter of installing the appropriate driver using Synaptic. MC - Site Manager.

Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:50

(126974)

I will do that I did try google with specific for the LiDE 110 but found nothing, tried Canon but they don't support Linux for it.

Submitted by lunchbeast on 18. June 2016 - 18:33

(126944)

Speaking of Luddites, how far back can we go with this 'make it look like the old version that looked and worked better'? I have always preferred the look and feel of Win2K/WinXP, and I was able to get Win7 to look very similar. If Win10 can be made to look like Win7, can Win10 be made to look like Win7 looking like Win2K/WinXP?

Submitted by rhiannon on 18. June 2016 - 20:39

(126945)

I haven't run across anything that mentions that. If anyone else knows, maybe they'll comment. :)

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Re: all about guns and safety was Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Pamela Dominguez
 

Well, if it's a tape recorder, it has nothing to do with a file system. But it does have to do with the tape that is recorded on, and the mechanical parts that work it. But it is still technical. And digital recorders are technical, too, like you said. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rajmund
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 2:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Hi,
Actually, since a recorder is operated by buttons, and some sort
of an under lining file system, I consider those to be
technology.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 14:32:59 -0400
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk]
Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Guns are technical. All computers are technical, but not all
technical equipment is a computer. Now that is being very
objective from me, since anyone who knows me well knows my
viewpoint on guns. However, that viewpoint is not shared by
everyone, and I am not so dogmatic to say that only one idea
is correct. I just point out, that it would seem that guns,
while not computers, are technical. Clocks, recorders and
hearing aids are not, but we have discussed them at length.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk]
Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Hi Carlos,

In hopes of not stepping on toes, I think you might want to
define what is meant by technology as it relates to this
list. I don't think most would consider guns technology in
terms of the scope of blind members wanting to know about
computer sciences and general computing. As is, it appears
that just about anything can be considered technology is one
thinks about it.
Would the study of ants be considered technology if an
electronic device is used to watch them at work? Would
Woman's make-up be on topic on this list if someone twists
him or herself in pretzels to box up a question using a
technology slant? I think most list members consider
computers and all they do for us as on topic, but
seismographs and oscilloscopes might not be as relevant.
...Just looking for a bit more clarity.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk]
Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Guns are most certainly technology and I personally don't
have a problem with the discussion, but I believe some
members might not be quite as understanding so we might want
to close this topic or move it to the chat list as was
suggested.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk]
Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident


Well it not just because it a gun thread if it was about
guns and the
technology that could be implemted on them then it would
be on topic.
But just guns in general no . or if it is abut guns and
blindness it
would be on topic. As carlos is fairly flexable and most
anything
technology wise or blindness related is on topic . But I
have no
problem about moving to the chat room.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk]
Self-Driving Car
Involved In Fatal Accident

It might be time for the chat list as this topic has now
morphed into
some sort of gun thread.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk]
Self-Driving Car
Involved In Fatal Accident

Well this is true on single action revolvers of today and
it is still
the safety way is to let the hammer set on an empty
chamber. Now you
could do the same for a double action as well let it set
on the empty
chamber but you don't have to . As the trigger pull unless
modified is
usually a fairly heavy pull anyhow. . but the safest way
is not to put
your finger on the trigger till you are ready to pull it.
they really
have 4types of revolvers as I know. They are single shot,
single
action, double action only and DASA (Double action plus
single action)
another words you can just pull the trigger or you can
cock the hammer
and pull the trigger. Your choice. Most double action only
does not
have an external hammer.
Now I was brought up with guns and had them around me and
learn at
every early age about them and how to handle them. But you
need to get
training on handling them and using them as well as
training on the
laws and how to protect yourself with them. it is much
more than just
going out and buying gun. This is just stupid. I not a big
fan of most
regulation but some I am and some I have no problem with
them at all.
But I don't know if we are not sort of straying off topic
and off the
the subject as well so this might need to be moved to the
chat room.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

You can't even pull the trigger on a single action
revolver unless the
hammer is cocked back in to the firing position. You
never cock the
gun unless you intend to discharge it.

Most double action revolvers do not have a safety because
the gun still
needs to be cocked before it can be fired. Or, the
necessary trigger
travel to discharge the gun is so great that it would be
almost
impossible to accidentily pull the trigger far enough to
shoot the gun.

James



-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 11:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

You can on most all pistols you cannot on revolvers the
safety is not
to pull the trigger.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

I think you can lock the trigger. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

My problem with a gun would be, what if I accidently
trigger it in my
pocket? Or sit on it, or whatever?
Knife, cane, spray, they're all good, but I'd be worried
with a gun.
Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:12:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

Nothing wrong with pepper spray in certain events but you
don't take
pepper spray to a gun fight or a knife fight or even a
baseball bat
fight. If you did you would be on the losing end of the
fight for
sure!
You can have lots of things in your protection tool box!
Pepper spray
is one of them. But it should not be the only thing. You
should have
a knife , stun gun or Taser and a gun for sure a good old
fashion
hickory cane with a good hook to it that is very pointed
at the end of
the hook is good or asord cane is good. But a water gun
is not much
good unless you have something besides water in it.



Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Rajmund
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 4:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

Hi All,
Speaking of protection, I'd feel safer with a bottle of
pepper spray
myself, too. I have worries about guns myself, but the
good old
pepper spray.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laz" <laz@talkingmp3players.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:55:52 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

Gerald, I really hope you're just joking with all this
drivel. I know
one of these so-called "blind extremists" who carries a
gun and he
carries it for protection only. The times he has shot it
in public
was because he was being threatened by four sighted
extremist thugs
also known as criminals, who were threatening to not only
rob him but
cause him physical harm. He took out his gun and shot
once, straight
up into the air. Yes, the extremist thugs quickly ran
away in fright
and I hope they also needed to do some laundry quickly
afterward.
Who
knows what would have happened to my friend if he hadn't
been legally
carrying his weapon. But I know I'm wasting my time with
telling you
that as you're not for the individual and his rights but
for some
other agenda instead. BTW there are more deaths due to
automobile
accidents than there are due to shootings so this brings
it back
around to your glass half full attitude aimed at
self-driving cars
which have caused how many deaths so far...

Laz

On 7/1/16, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

That's a damn good question. Why, indeed, are some blind
extremists
allowed

to walk around with guns? Oh, excuse me, it's their
constitutional right.
Never mind that they place the rest of us at risk. It's
bad enough
that terrorists and sociopaths are allowed to buy and own
firearms.
But blind
consumers as well? No wonder this country is a screwed up
mess that
has become beholden to dangerous demagogues like Donald
Trump.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

It is nonsense because it is simply not possible. And if
the
lawmakers were so determined to put a halt to any
technology that is
not 100% safe and foolproof, there are many types of
technology we
would not have access to in modern society. If the
lawmakers in
Washington care so much about keeping dangerous technology
out of the
hands of the blind, then why are there several blind
individuals who
are still being allowed to legally own firearms?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident



You may think that making self-driving cars 100% foolproof
is nonsense.
But
you can bet that the lawmakers in Washington and elsewhere
won't see
it that way. They will demand that self-driving vehicles
be made as
close to 100% foolproof as possible before they consider
enacting
legislation that would allow blind drivers to operate them
without the
accompaniment of a sighted driver. That's just the
realities of
politics in a predominantly sighted world.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

Who knows when blind people will be allowed to manage
these types of cars.
Will it be any time soon? Probably not, but there is a
difference
between soon and never. But as far as I'm concerned, the
other issue
here is this ridiculous assumption that somehow the
technology should
be or ever can be made 100% safe and foolproof. That is
just nonsense
and trying to predict the future of the technology based
on one
accident or even several is just more nonsense.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident


Well I usually don't or try not to look at things with a
half empty
blass but a half full one. But in some cases this is just
not
possible. I have to agree with him on this Gerald . It
is also not
just the US legislature but from state to state. Just
like all
driving laws vary from state to state..
It
is called states' rights and there forth each state will
more than
likely implement it on law on driving driverless cars. I
also think
they would require very special training even for the
sited but
certainly for the blind person as well! I just don't see
the blind
being able to do this in my life time and I hope to be
here around
another 30 years. I am coming up on my 58th birthday.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident


It really doesn't matter what caused the accident. The
bottom line is
that it will be a very long time, if ever, before blind
consumers are
allowed to operate one of these gizmos by themselves. One
fatal
accident is still one fatal accident too many. These
vehicles must be
made 100% safe and foolproof before the powers that be in
Washington
will let blind drivers behind the wheel without the
accompaniment of a
sighted driver in the passenger's seat. Sorry to throw
water on your
parade.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

Again, another reflexive post of yours. There's lots of
reasons why
this could have happened. It is likely these multiple car

manufacturers are using different gPS databases and
supporting
software, as well as other yet to be determined reasons,
so what
happened here may not happen to other researchers who are
using more
developed databases--the results depend on lots of
variables. The
Google car has not had this type of history, and the
single accident
it had was due to a human disabling the computer and
taking over the
driving.

Gerald, I don't think technology is for you, so you might
consider
solutions which are less stressful to you.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident


For those of you who are chomping at the bit to buy one of
those
newfangled
self-driving cars that may some day revolutionize the
lives of us blind
consumers, not so fast. The race to develop a safe and
reliable
self-driving vehicle suffered a major setback recently
when a Tesla
all-electric self-driving car was involved in a fatal
accident that killed
the driver while it was operating in self-driving mode. I
guess it's back
to the drawing board:



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/business/self-driving-tesl
a-fat
al-crash-investigation.html?_r=0

Gerald
































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Re: all about guns and safety was Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Pamela Dominguez
 

Why aren't clocks, recorders and hearing aids technical? Sure they are. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 2:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Guns are technical. All computers are technical, but not all
technical equipment is a computer. Now that is being very
objective from me, since anyone who knows me well knows my
viewpoint on guns. However, that viewpoint is not shared by
everyone, and I am not so dogmatic to say that only one idea
is correct. I just point out, that it would seem that guns,
while not computers, are technical. Clocks, recorders and
hearing aids are not, but we have discussed them at length.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk]
Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Hi Carlos,

In hopes of not stepping on toes, I think you might want to
define what is meant by technology as it relates to this
list. I don't think most would consider guns technology in
terms of the scope of blind members wanting to know about
computer sciences and general computing. As is, it appears
that just about anything can be considered technology is one
thinks about it.
Would the study of ants be considered technology if an
electronic device is used to watch them at work? Would
Woman's make-up be on topic on this list if someone twists
him or herself in pretzels to box up a question using a
technology slant? I think most list members consider
computers and all they do for us as on topic, but
seismographs and oscilloscopes might not be as relevant.
...Just looking for a bit more clarity.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk]
Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Guns are most certainly technology and I personally don't
have a problem with the discussion, but I believe some
members might not be quite as understanding so we might want
to close this topic or move it to the chat list as was
suggested.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk]
Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident


Well it not just because it a gun thread if it was about
guns and the
technology that could be implemted on them then it would
be on topic.
But just guns in general no . or if it is abut guns and
blindness it
would be on topic. As carlos is fairly flexable and most
anything
technology wise or blindness related is on topic . But I
have no
problem about moving to the chat room.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk]
Self-Driving Car
Involved In Fatal Accident

It might be time for the chat list as this topic has now
morphed into
some sort of gun thread.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk]
Self-Driving Car
Involved In Fatal Accident

Well this is true on single action revolvers of today and
it is still
the safety way is to let the hammer set on an empty
chamber. Now you
could do the same for a double action as well let it set
on the empty
chamber but you don't have to . As the trigger pull unless
modified is
usually a fairly heavy pull anyhow. . but the safest way
is not to put
your finger on the trigger till you are ready to pull it.
they really
have 4types of revolvers as I know. They are single shot,
single
action, double action only and DASA (Double action plus
single action)
another words you can just pull the trigger or you can
cock the hammer
and pull the trigger. Your choice. Most double action only
does not
have an external hammer.
Now I was brought up with guns and had them around me and
learn at
every early age about them and how to handle them. But you
need to get
training on handling them and using them as well as
training on the
laws and how to protect yourself with them. it is much
more than just
going out and buying gun. This is just stupid. I not a big
fan of most
regulation but some I am and some I have no problem with
them at all.
But I don't know if we are not sort of straying off topic
and off the
the subject as well so this might need to be moved to the
chat room.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

You can't even pull the trigger on a single action
revolver unless the
hammer is cocked back in to the firing position. You
never cock the
gun unless you intend to discharge it.

Most double action revolvers do not have a safety because
the gun still
needs to be cocked before it can be fired. Or, the
necessary trigger
travel to discharge the gun is so great that it would be
almost
impossible to accidentily pull the trigger far enough to
shoot the gun.

James



-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 11:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

You can on most all pistols you cannot on revolvers the
safety is not
to pull the trigger.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

I think you can lock the trigger. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

My problem with a gun would be, what if I accidently
trigger it in my
pocket? Or sit on it, or whatever?
Knife, cane, spray, they're all good, but I'd be worried
with a gun.
Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:12:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

Nothing wrong with pepper spray in certain events but you
don't take
pepper spray to a gun fight or a knife fight or even a
baseball bat
fight. If you did you would be on the losing end of the
fight for
sure!
You can have lots of things in your protection tool box!
Pepper spray
is one of them. But it should not be the only thing. You
should have
a knife , stun gun or Taser and a gun for sure a good old
fashion
hickory cane with a good hook to it that is very pointed
at the end of
the hook is good or asord cane is good. But a water gun
is not much
good unless you have something besides water in it.



Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Rajmund
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 4:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

Hi All,
Speaking of protection, I'd feel safer with a bottle of
pepper spray
myself, too. I have worries about guns myself, but the
good old
pepper spray.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laz" <laz@talkingmp3players.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:55:52 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

Gerald, I really hope you're just joking with all this
drivel. I know
one of these so-called "blind extremists" who carries a
gun and he
carries it for protection only. The times he has shot it
in public
was because he was being threatened by four sighted
extremist thugs
also known as criminals, who were threatening to not only
rob him but
cause him physical harm. He took out his gun and shot
once, straight
up into the air. Yes, the extremist thugs quickly ran
away in fright
and I hope they also needed to do some laundry quickly
afterward.
Who
knows what would have happened to my friend if he hadn't
been legally
carrying his weapon. But I know I'm wasting my time with
telling you
that as you're not for the individual and his rights but
for some
other agenda instead. BTW there are more deaths due to
automobile
accidents than there are due to shootings so this brings
it back
around to your glass half full attitude aimed at
self-driving cars
which have caused how many deaths so far...

Laz

On 7/1/16, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

That's a damn good question. Why, indeed, are some blind
extremists
allowed

to walk around with guns? Oh, excuse me, it's their
constitutional right.
Never mind that they place the rest of us at risk. It's
bad enough
that terrorists and sociopaths are allowed to buy and own
firearms.
But blind
consumers as well? No wonder this country is a screwed up
mess that
has become beholden to dangerous demagogues like Donald
Trump.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

It is nonsense because it is simply not possible. And if
the
lawmakers were so determined to put a halt to any
technology that is
not 100% safe and foolproof, there are many types of
technology we
would not have access to in modern society. If the
lawmakers in
Washington care so much about keeping dangerous technology
out of the
hands of the blind, then why are there several blind
individuals who
are still being allowed to legally own firearms?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident



You may think that making self-driving cars 100% foolproof
is nonsense.
But
you can bet that the lawmakers in Washington and elsewhere
won't see
it that way. They will demand that self-driving vehicles
be made as
close to 100% foolproof as possible before they consider
enacting
legislation that would allow blind drivers to operate them
without the
accompaniment of a sighted driver. That's just the
realities of
politics in a predominantly sighted world.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

Who knows when blind people will be allowed to manage
these types of cars.
Will it be any time soon? Probably not, but there is a
difference
between soon and never. But as far as I'm concerned, the
other issue
here is this ridiculous assumption that somehow the
technology should
be or ever can be made 100% safe and foolproof. That is
just nonsense
and trying to predict the future of the technology based
on one
accident or even several is just more nonsense.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident


Well I usually don't or try not to look at things with a
half empty
blass but a half full one. But in some cases this is just
not
possible. I have to agree with him on this Gerald . It
is also not
just the US legislature but from state to state. Just
like all
driving laws vary from state to state..
It
is called states' rights and there forth each state will
more than
likely implement it on law on driving driverless cars. I
also think
they would require very special training even for the
sited but
certainly for the blind person as well! I just don't see
the blind
being able to do this in my life time and I hope to be
here around
another 30 years. I am coming up on my 58th birthday.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident


It really doesn't matter what caused the accident. The
bottom line is
that it will be a very long time, if ever, before blind
consumers are
allowed to operate one of these gizmos by themselves. One
fatal
accident is still one fatal accident too many. These
vehicles must be
made 100% safe and foolproof before the powers that be in
Washington
will let blind drivers behind the wheel without the
accompaniment of a
sighted driver in the passenger's seat. Sorry to throw
water on your
parade.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

Again, another reflexive post of yours. There's lots of
reasons why
this could have happened. It is likely these multiple car
manufacturers are using different gPS databases and
supporting
software, as well as other yet to be determined reasons,
so what
happened here may not happen to other researchers who are
using more
developed databases--the results depend on lots of
variables. The
Google car has not had this type of history, and the
single accident
it had was due to a human disabling the computer and
taking over the
driving.

Gerald, I don't think technology is for you, so you might
consider
solutions which are less stressful to you.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident


For those of you who are chomping at the bit to buy one of
those
newfangled
self-driving cars that may some day revolutionize the
lives of us blind
consumers, not so fast. The race to develop a safe and
reliable
self-driving vehicle suffered a major setback recently
when a Tesla
all-electric self-driving car was involved in a fatal
accident that killed
the driver while it was operating in self-driving mode. I
guess it's back
to the drawing board:


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/business/self-driving-tesl
a-fat
al-crash-investigation.html?_r=0

Gerald
































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Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Pamela Dominguez
 

How can you give something a chance when you can't do anything with it
except make it say its name? Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: RJ Sandefur
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

I am not usually one to use this type of strong language, but really?
How do you think NVDA and Jaws got to where they are? Feedback! Let's
all give narrator a chance. Microsoft alone won't make the screenreader,
but together, the end users,(Us the blind community) will make Narrator
a screenreader which could even beat out voice over if we really wanted
it bad enough. RJ


On 7/2/2016 1:19 PM, Marie wrote:
I find Narrator useful on occasion, but it is far from being a full
screen reader and I would hate it if they made it like the Apple
devices where it is your only choice.
Marie


-----Original Message----- From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

If they are going somewhere with Narrator, then they should simply
release a
major upgrade when it is ready to be used as a full-blown screen
reader. At
this point it is wasted effort to introduce these minor changes since
it is
still not functional enough to be used by most on a daily basis.
Gradually
introducing features that most people probably won't use because there
is a
better free alternative seems like effort that could be more productively
invested somewhere else for now.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Yeah, but they might be going somewhere with it which we don't know about
just yet. Some of the features discussed in the article seem as though
they
may have been influenced by general screen reader tech.

They might first want to start with the Windows OS then ultimately
create a
VoiceOver competitor for future Windows devices.

With technology advancing as it does, why not accept the help from one of
the biggest computer software developers in the world? Furthermore, this
development might yield discoveries which will help with other related
disabilities experienced by an aging population.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

And honestly, the focus on Narrator seems like wasted time and somewhat
excessive in my opinion. How many people really use Narrator on a daily
basis? The fact is that most users only run Narrator in an emergency
or to
finish setting up Windows. It is useful and convenient to have, but for
most it does not provide enough functionality to be used as a primary
screen
reader. These days those who cannot afford one of the expensive screen
readers will most likely use NVDA. And Narrator has a long way to go
before
it can compete with NVDA. That being the case, I believe their time and
effort would be better spent on improving accessibility in other
areas. If
NVDA did not exist, then the efforts to improve Narrator might seem more
significant, but again in my opinion at this time, it just seems like
wasted
effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

I have defended Microsoft for years when I thought they deserved it.
I will
not defend them in their accessibility implementation of accessibility in
Windows 10. My thoughts on the blog entry are below.

Almost a year after Windows 10 has been released and Microsoft is still
dealing with some of the kinds of things discussed in its blog? Being
passionate about accessibility means not waiting a year and still having
significant accessibility problems. Being passionate about accessibility
means having reasonable accessibility at the time of initial release.

And please stop patronizing those who provide feedback. It isn't
incredible. It's useful and good feedback but incredible? You aren't
accomplishing anything by heaping excessive praise on those who provide
feedback but patronizing them. We don't want to be called incredible nor
our feedback. We want implementation and at a much faster and better
rate.
And does some of this feedback really have to be given in order for
you to
know about it? Since the nineties, Windows screen-readers have routinely
offered speech that can go faster than 430 words per minute. If your
accessibility team really needs user feedback to be aware of the need for
fast speech, then what else is the team unaware of that should be common
knowledge to anyone working in the field of accessibility?

Gene
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From: Christopher Hallsworth <mailto:challsworth2@icloud.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/

<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/>


Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update

With more than one billion people with disabilities in the world,
Microsoft is passionate about accessibility and ensuring our products
work
for all our customers. Today we are excited to share additional details
about the Windows 10 Anniversary Update which represents a significant
step forward in our effort to make Microsoft products accessible. We
encourage anyone already running Windows 10 to upgrade when the update
becomes available. We also recognize that we must continue to invest in
accessibility and are committed to the continued improvement of built-in
features like Narrator and Magnifier as well as the accessibility of
experiences and apps like Cortana, Mail and setup. If you are a user of
Assistive Technology and are still using Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 and
want
to wait to upgrade, don’t forget that you will still have the
opportunity
to upgrade at no cost even after the Windows 10 free upgrade period
ends.
We will have a page available on July 29 for people using AT to take
advantage of the free upgrade offer.

We have already shared many of these details with our Windows Insider
program over the last several months, so this blog post will recap those
areas and share a few new things. Customer feedback through the Windows
Insider program and from our users with disabilities has been
essential to
helping us focus our work in several key areas. These include improving
the screen reading experience with Narrator, the accessibility of
experiences and apps like Microsoft Edge, Mail and the Start menu, as
well
as better tools and resources for developers to build more accessible
apps
and experiences.

Improved Screen Reading with Narrator

As we’ve stated in a series of recent blog posts, a lot of changes with
Narrator that you will see as a part of the Windows 10 Anniversary
Update
were directly influenced by your incredible feedback. Those changes
include:

Faster text to speech voices

We’ve added new voices to Narrator that offer a much faster top rate of
speech. Our current voices average a maximum of roughly 400 words per
minute. The new voices average nearly twice that at approximately 800
words per minute.

New languages in Narrator

We continue to add new international languages for Narrator, including
Arabic and several Nordic languages. The following new languages will be
available either with the corresponding international version of Windows
or will be available for download.

Spanish (Mexico) French (Canada) Portuguese (Brazil)
Arabic (Egypt) Catalan (Spain) Danish (Denmark)
Finnish (Finland) Norwegian (Norway) Dutch (Belgium)
Dutch (Netherlands) Portuguese (Portugal) Swedish (Sweden)
Turkish (Turkey)
More familiar keyboard navigation

Keyboard commands in Narrator are now more familiar to users of other
screen readers. Some keyboard interactions have been simplified to
ensure
better ergonomics, making them easier to type.

Introducing scan mode

We’ve introduced a new navigation mode to Narrator called Scan mode.
Scan
Mode is turned on with a press of CAPS LOCK and SPACE. While you are in
Scan mode you can press SPACE to activate an item of interest, such as
following a link on a web page or pressing a button in an app.

Six levels of verbosity

Narrator now supports six levels of verbosity for giving you more
details
about the characteristics of text. You can cycle through these modes by
pressing CAPS LOCK + CTRL + (PLUS). For example, at what we call Verbose
mode 0 (zero), you will hear just the text. At verbose mode 1, you might
hear if the text is a heading. At other verbose levels, you will get
varying indications of other text properties, like text color or
formatting.

Punctuation Modes

Narrator now gives you more control over how much punctuation you hear
when reading text. CAPS LOCK+ALT+(PLUS) and CAPS LOCK+ALT+(MINUS) cycle
through the settings for punctuation. The settings for punctuation
include
none, some, most, all and math along with default.

Now announcing AutoSuggest results

Many applications in Windows 10 offer automatic suggestions as you enter
information. For example, when you start entering a search term in an
application search box you may get suggestions based on what you are
entering. With Narrator you will now get a verbal hint with an audio
indication when these suggestions are available.

Feedback made easy

Pressing CAPS LOCK + E + E when running Narrator is an easy way to
send us
feedback. This shortcut will bring up a feedback form where you can
submit
comments and suggestions about your experience with Narrator.

User guides and documentation

Our documentation team has been working hard to update the resources
available to those who are learning how to use Narrator. We are looking
forward to providing improved and more complete documentation like an
updated Narrator user guide that will be available online when the
Anniversary Update is released.

Working to make apps and experiences more accessible

Along with many of these accessibility updates to Windows 10, most of
our
app teams have also been making regular updates. Below are a few of the
notable highlights.

More accessible browsing and reading with Microsoft Edge

In a series of blog posts, the Microsoft Edge team has been providing
detailed updates on their accessibility progress. For example, the team
has already shared how work to support modern web accessibility
standards
is helping developers more easily build accessible sites. And with the
introduction of Microsoft Edge’s new accessibility architecture, we are
working to make Edge a more inclusive and reliable experience for
everyone. The team has also been working closely with the most popular
third-party assistive technology vendors to guide them through the
transition to this new platform.

In addition to the work the team has already shared, we are also excited
for you to try the improvements to the end user accessibility experience
of the Microsoft Edge app and PDF reader. These include broad support
for
tagged PDF files, and a wide range of improvements to common daily
browsing features such as address bar, tabs, windows, and favorites.

Mail

Since the initial release of Windows 10 last summer, there have been
many
improvements to the accessibility of the Mail app. The Mail team
described
many of these updates in a blog last February and has since that time
continued to make progress on things like improving the account setup
experience when using a screen reader.

Cortana

You can more reliably operate search and Cortana with the keyboard,
including things like navigating using arrow keys and tab order.
There are
also Improvements to high contrast that make the Cortana UI more legible
in all contrast modes. The team has also made a number of general fixes
that improve the experience with Cortana when using accessibility tools
such as Windows Speech Recognition, Narrator and other screen-readers.

Groove

The Groove team has delivered a number of key updates for low vision
users
like better support for high DPI scaling and better high contrast
support,
including better color combinations and the boxing of text when
appearing
on top of album art. In addition, the team has done work to make the
app a
better experience when using a screen reader by adding a number of new
shortcut keys as well as fixing a number of bugs when using Narrator.

Making accessibility easier for developers

In addition to the progress being made with our apps and built-in
accessibility features we have been making investments in the tools and
reference materials that developers rely on to create accessible
experiences within their apps and websites. Here are a few developer
resources we have already made available or will be a part of the
Windows
10 anniversary Update.

New Tools

Developer tools are essential to making accessibility just work. The
Visual Studio App Analysis tool was updated to helping devs to find,
triage and fix accessibility errors like flagging controls that don’t
have
an accessible name. We also introduced a new developer mode in Narrator.
Narrator dev mode can be turned on when Narrator is already running by
pressing SHIFT + CAPS LOCK + F12. When dev mode is turned on the screen
will be masked and will highlight only the accessible objects and the
associated text that is exposed programmatically to Narrator.

XAML Improvements

The XAML team has improved the support for Mnemonics within Universal
Windows Apps (UWA’s) allowing for better Access Key customizations. For
example, the developer of a shopping app can now assign a custom Access
Key like P, that can be activated by pressing ALT then the letter P, in
order to activate the purchase button.

Improved Documentation

And finally the team has worked hard to improve the discoverability and
update the documentation we provide for developers. We recently
relaunched
the accessibility developer hub as well as general design guidelines and
sample code for accessibility.

Most importantly, your feedback is imperative to getting accessibility
right. Keep letting us know what accessibility features are important to
you. If you are already running Windows 10, you can simply press CAPS
LOCK
+ E (two times) to bring up a feedback form when using Narrator. Or, if
you are technically minded, you can help us by becoming a Windows
Insider
and giving us feedback on the latest updates to Windows as we are
building
them.

Previous Blogs and Resources:

Windows

Further Details on the Coming Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/09/further-details-on-the-coming-improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>

Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/11/improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>

Making Windows 10 and Office 365 more accessible: Our path forward
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/24/making-windows-10-and-office-365-more-accessible-our-path-forward/>

Accessibility Update for Windows 10 Mail
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/01/accessibility-update-for-windows-10-mail/>

Accessibility and the Windows 10 Free Upgrade
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/06/accessibility-and-the-windows-10-free-upgrade/>

Microsoft Edge

Ensuring high-quality browser accessibility with automation
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/26/new-edge-blog-ensuring-high-quality-browser-accessibility-with-automation/>

Building a more accessible user experience with HTML5 and UIA
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/13/new-edge-blog-building-a-more-accessible-user-experience-with-html5-and-uia/>

Building a More Accessible Web Platform
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/21/building-a-more-accessible-web-platform/>

Developers

Accessibility Design guidelines
<https://msdn.microsoft.com/windows/uwp/accessibility/accessibility-overview>

Accessibility Developer Hub
<https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/accessible-apps>



















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How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7 #article

Joe
 

I hope the article below helps someone?--Joe

 

How To Make Windows 10 Look and Feel Like Windows 7

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Windows 7 screenshotIf you want to use Windows 10 and it's new features (or have to use Windows 10 for various reasons) but would be happier with the Windows 7 interface, then this article is a must read.
The article outlines 15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7, getting you as close to the familiar Windows 7 interface as possible. Windows 10 has made some improvements over Windows 8 (bringing back the Start menu for one) but it's still quite a difference to anyone using Windows 7. With Windows 8, installing a Start Menu Replacement made Windows 8 look and act like Windows 7 for the most part. In Windows 10, it's not quite as easy.
Here's a list of the various changes that make Windows 10 more like Windows 7:

  • Windows 7 like Start Menu
  • Aero Glass Transparency
  • Disable the Lock Screen
  • Remove Cortana search box from the taskbar
  • Disable Windows Explorer ribbon
  • Disable Quick Access
  • Disable Action Center
  • Install desktop gadgets
  • Get Windows 7 like folders
  • Uninstall and remove Edge browser
  • Get rid of default modern apps
  • Use a local account to sign in
  • Enable the classic Personalization window
  • Set Windows 7 wallpaper as your desktop background

Here are two additional helpful Windows 10 articles - one on blocking Windows 10 updates (I'm not in favor of forced updates), and this article has options for Home versions of Windows 10. Windows Pro and up have some options for blocking Windows Updates that the Home version doesn't. The other one addresses six of the most common Windows 10 annoyances and how to fix them.
Block Windows 10 forced updates without breaking your machine
Six Windows 10 annoyances: How to make them go away for good

You may have noticed that there are 14 (instead of 15) items listed. I left off the "Install Windows 7 games" because the link goes to a forum where you have to register to see the information. You can find a direct link to the download listed in our article here: Get Classic Windows 7 Games in Windows 8 and 10 for Free.

15 ways to make Windows 10 look and feel like Windows 7
 

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Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 0:44

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My only concern is that after all these tweaks, will any of them break or don't work after another update of Windows 10?

Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 1:16

(126983)

Jojo,
The more you "tweak" the higher the chance of the tweak being "broken" by an update; that update does nothing but "reset" the tweak to a known good default like MIcro$oft wants it.

Submitted by Jojo Yee on 22. June 2016 - 1:48

(126984)

Yes eikelein I think it's true that chances are higher for broken parts when we have more tweaks.

The problem is that we do not know if some tweaks are interlinked in the system settings contained in the registry or hidden files and how they work together.

Micro$oft might update some of them, leaving some remaining tweaked parts untouched since they were considered or supposed to be original without needing an update. It would be perfect if the tweaked parts and the updated parts can work together :) but a nightmare if not :(

Submitted by eikelein on 22. June 2016 - 2:31

(126987)

Jojo,
You are correct again.

And exactly that is why I don't like to tweak at all.

I use Classic Shell; there is at least a chance that things will eventually get fixed should an update "break" it.
Worst case I just uninstall Classic Shell and live with W10 as it is meant to be.

If I really hate it I can still switch to Linux and/or run Linux in Virtual Box... ;-)

Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:40

(126995)

eikelein, how different is Classic Shell from Winaero on how it instigates changes and in your opinion do you think Winaero would have problems with updates?

Submitted by eikelein on 23. June 2016 - 1:30

(127001)

Ron525,
I guess it's about time to wish you a Happy B-Day.

To answer your question: I have no clue. Quite some time ago I found Classic Shell's description, I believe on Sourceforge.
I liked what I read and tried it; have never looked back and just don't have enough time and energy to make any kind of comparison. Sorry.

Submitted by ron525 on 23. June 2016 - 7:07

(127005)

eikelein,
Thanks.

I found Winaero being mentioned a bit on W10, W7 threads on Whirlpool Forum AU, recommended for some tweaks, It has been around for a few years and members have used it for a fair amount of time with no issues being raised.

I don't have it installed on my daily l/top at present so will run it on 2nd l/top to see if it has problems, nothing untoward happened after latest W10 update last night.

Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 22. June 2016 - 4:48

(126989)

There is another issue related to this in that many folks still insist on using so called registry cleaners for reasons beyond my comprehension. These things are coded to see a system in a certain state and chuck out anything that doesn't match. In so doing they are quite capable of trashing Windows and often do. A tweaked system is even more likely to be "corrected" to produce a nice blank screen at next boot . :) MC - Site Manager.

Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 14:01

(126976)

It appears to me as computers were evolving it was a race for the best bling i.e. good colour outstanding icon graphics.

So what happened now we have to put up with faint characters that are hard to see and often small pale colours and flat grade school quality graphics.

Submitted by Jojo Yee on 21. June 2016 - 23:49

(126980)

True, ron525, but it appears to me that technology is one thing, trend or fashion is another.

Submitted by ron525 on 22. June 2016 - 14:31

(126994)

How true Jojo Yee, I see that issue on my Xiaomi phone adding a lot of fancy mods(many could be called bloat) far out weighs true enhancements, simplifications and fixing bugs.

But I think some of the W10 changes create more actions to get to things as well, or I still have to adjust to a different OS.
Maybe change is not liked but when one is used to a product and it it works so easily and smooth you start to question why it has been altered.

Submitted by These Old Eyes on 20. June 2016 - 20:21

(126966)

Will someone at MS please notice that the population is aging, in many cases (like mine) with diminishing ability for eyes to adjust to radically different light levels? I'd like to see a third party develop an appropriately intrusive "app" (shudder) to restore user control over background colors in Window 10, preferably within the next month!

Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 20:41

(126967)

This is all I could come up, hopefully things will improve. http://www.groovypost.com/howto/using-Windows-10-improved-color-personal...

Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 15:39

(126959)

Howdy, rhiannon:

Appreciate your response.

I personally am fed up with Microsoft's ANTICS... however I am dependent on Win 7 now due to software Internet Marketing software that runs on Windows only.

I have been watching Linux for years... but now able to bring myself across the threshold for business purposes... so I have to plead IGNORANCE on my part in regards to the Linux world.

Sounds to me like virtual machine or virtual box would be the way to go vs. dual boot option.

My current laptop is a:

Gateway EC5801u laptop

- Intel Core 2 Duo SU7300 1.2GHz, 4GB DDR3, 500GB HDD, DVDRW, 15.6" LED, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

I am starting to look for a KILLER DEAL on a :

- 15.6 **business** laptop, Quad Core i5 (at most), 16GB DDR4, 256 SSD, 1TB...

which will inevitably come with Win 10... then I will Virtual Machine UP with Linux Mint.

Open to any brilliant comments!

Thx much... ~ Alan

Submitted by abrandt on 21. June 2016 - 0:19

(126970)

Thank you, eikelein and MidnightCowboy !

Truthfully, I have neither the time or inclination to experiment with Linux.

My Linux interest does not stem from a hobby... but business application... user-friendliness and efficiency... keeping in mind I am tethered to Windows due to specialized applications needed for business.

Much appreciate. ~ Alan

Submitted by eikelein on 20. June 2016 - 22:00

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Alan,
Even for your "oldie" laptop I recommend you at least look at Linux Lite (https://www.linuxliteos.com/).
I have found it to be much more efficient with computer resources than Linux Mint which for me slowed a computer (with much more Ooomph than your laptop) down to a virtual crawl.

Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 20. June 2016 - 22:21

(126969)

There are many issues that determine how slow or fast a particular Linux might run on different hardware. This is a good list to experiment with although not all of these are particularly user friendly. My vote goes to MX Linux. MC - Site Manager. http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-of-the-most-...

Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:20

(126962)

There are several virtual machine programs around, you can check out our article here:
Best Free Virtualization Solutions

I think Midnight Cowboy runs Windows 7 in a virtual machine using Linux. Maybe he'll chime in with his preferences.

Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:27

(126963)

rhiannon: Appreciate the reference article. Have read and will implement with new laptop. Thx. ~ Alan

Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 16:39

(126964)

If you're inclined to using Virtual Box, you might find this article helpful:
VirtualBox 5.0 Released – Install on RHEL/CentOS/Fedora and Debian/Ubuntu/Linux Mint

Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 16:46

(126965)

rhiannon: Appreciate and reviewed this 2nd vitualization reference article. THX! ~ Alan

Submitted by abrandt on 20. June 2016 - 3:22

(126951)

Thank you to Stephen Jackson and Bob Peterson for their clean, clear and intelligent comments.
Bob... based on your post... I am going take a more serious look at Linux Mint... even though much of my Internet Marketing software is all Win-concentric.
Thank you, ~ Alan

Submitted by rhiannon on 20. June 2016 - 14:54

(126956)

You can run Windows "inside" Linux, as our very own Midnight Cowboy does, as a virtual machine or virtual box. Another option is to dual boot Windows and Linux.

Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:45

(126973)

I have never looked at running a virtual machine thought it might be complicated,
I am running dual boot W7 and Mint 17.3.

Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 21. June 2016 - 13:53

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It'as a lot easier than you might think. There are tons of tutorials on Youtube and the web in general, many for specific distros. This is just one example. https://www.pcsteps.com/207-windows-virtual-machine-linux-windows/. The only real issue you might encounter is getting USB recognition for the virtual system but this and anything else are bound to be documented with an appropriate fix in one of the Linux forums. MC - Site Manager.

Submitted by ron525 on 19. June 2016 - 12:41

(126947)

I have W7 and 10 on partitions on a Compaq l/top to see what 10 was like have found it hard to adjust but have done a lot of retro fitting with Winaero tweaker to make it feel more usable.

My daily is a Toshiba l/top partitioned with W7 and Linux Mint, Really want to move over to Mint but I don't seem to find the time at present as I am trying to keep up on the W10"s evolution.

I could kiss all the heart ache good bye If I could convince myself to only log onto Mint but I really don't understand linux at all and had zero success getting my scanner to function which I need continuously and installing other items not knowing if they are enabled or installed even at all.

Submitted by MidnightCowboy on 19. June 2016 - 13:30

(126950)

Just enter your scanner details into the Mint forum search and someone has bound to have encountered the same issue before and obtained a fix. I use a HP Deskjet for instance and it's just a matter of installing the appropriate driver using Synaptic. MC - Site Manager.

Submitted by ron525 on 21. June 2016 - 13:50

(126974)

I will do that I did try google with specific for the LiDE 110 but found nothing, tried Canon but they don't support Linux for it.

Submitted by lunchbeast on 18. June 2016 - 18:33

(126944)

Speaking of Luddites, how far back can we go with this 'make it look like the old version that looked and worked better'? I have always preferred the look and feel of Win2K/WinXP, and I was able to get Win7 to look very similar. If Win10 can be made to look like Win7, can Win10 be made to look like Win7 looking like Win2K/WinXP?

Submitted by rhiannon on 18. June 2016 - 20:39

(126945)

I haven't run across anything that mentions that. If anyone else knows, maybe they'll comment. :)

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Re: all about guns and safety was Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Flor Lynch
 

Oscilloscopes have their use in radio technololgy, and if one could be made to speak or emit audible tones, it certainly would be on topic here! (Smile>.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 12:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Hi Carlos,

In hopes of not stepping on toes, I think you might want to define what is
meant by technology as it relates to this list. I don't think most would
consider guns technology in terms of the scope of blind members wanting to
know about computer sciences and general computing. As is, it appears that
just about anything can be considered technology is one thinks about it.
Would the study of ants be considered technology if an electronic device is
used to watch them at work? Would Woman's make-up be on topic on this list
if someone twists him or herself in pretzels to box up a question using a
technology slant? I think most list members consider computers and all they
do for us as on topic, but seismographs and oscilloscopes might not be as
relevant. ...Just looking for a bit more clarity.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car
Involved In Fatal Accident

Guns are most certainly technology and I personally don't have a problem
with the discussion, but I believe some members might not be quite as
understanding so we might want to close this topic or move it to the chat
list as was suggested.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car
Involved In Fatal Accident


Well it not just because it a gun thread if it was about guns and the
technology that could be implemted on them then it would be on topic.
But just guns in general no . or if it is abut guns and blindness it
would be on topic. As carlos is fairly flexable and most anything
technology wise or blindness related is on topic . But I have no
problem about moving to the chat room.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car
Involved In Fatal Accident

It might be time for the chat list as this topic has now morphed into
some sort of gun thread.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car
Involved In Fatal Accident

Well this is true on single action revolvers of today and it is still
the safety way is to let the hammer set on an empty chamber. Now you
could do the same for a double action as well let it set on the empty
chamber but you don't have to . As the trigger pull unless modified is
usually a fairly heavy pull anyhow. . but the safest way is not to put
your finger on the trigger till you are ready to pull it. they really
have 4types of revolvers as I know. They are single shot, single
action, double action only and DASA (Double action plus single action)
another words you can just pull the trigger or you can cock the hammer
and pull the trigger. Your choice. Most double action only does not
have an external hammer.
Now I was brought up with guns and had them around me and learn at
every early age about them and how to handle them. But you need to get
training on handling them and using them as well as training on the
laws and how to protect yourself with them. it is much more than just
going out and buying gun. This is just stupid. I not a big fan of most
regulation but some I am and some I have no problem with them at all.
But I don't know if we are not sort of straying off topic and off the
the subject as well so this might need to be moved to the chat room.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

You can't even pull the trigger on a single action revolver unless the
hammer is cocked back in to the firing position. You never cock the
gun unless you intend to discharge it.

Most double action revolvers do not have a safety because the gun still
needs to be cocked before it can be fired. Or, the necessary trigger
travel to discharge the gun is so great that it would be almost
impossible to accidentily pull the trigger far enough to shoot the gun.

James



-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 11:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

You can on most all pistols you cannot on revolvers the safety is not
to pull the trigger.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

I think you can lock the trigger. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

My problem with a gun would be, what if I accidently trigger it in my
pocket? Or sit on it, or whatever?
Knife, cane, spray, they're all good, but I'd be worried with a gun.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:12:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Nothing wrong with pepper spray in certain events but you don't take
pepper spray to a gun fight or a knife fight or even a baseball bat
fight. If you did you would be on the losing end of the fight for
sure!
You can have lots of things in your protection tool box! Pepper spray
is one of them. But it should not be the only thing. You should have
a knife , stun gun or Taser and a gun for sure a good old fashion
hickory cane with a good hook to it that is very pointed at the end of
the hook is good or asord cane is good. But a water gun is not much
good unless you have something besides water in it.



Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Rajmund
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 4:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Hi All,
Speaking of protection, I'd feel safer with a bottle of pepper spray
myself, too. I have worries about guns myself, but the good old
pepper spray.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Laz" <laz@talkingmp3players.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:55:52 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Gerald, I really hope you're just joking with all this drivel. I know
one of these so-called "blind extremists" who carries a gun and he
carries it for protection only. The times he has shot it in public
was because he was being threatened by four sighted extremist thugs
also known as criminals, who were threatening to not only rob him but
cause him physical harm. He took out his gun and shot once, straight
up into the air. Yes, the extremist thugs quickly ran away in fright
and I hope they also needed to do some laundry quickly afterward.
Who
knows what would have happened to my friend if he hadn't been legally
carrying his weapon. But I know I'm wasting my time with telling you
that as you're not for the individual and his rights but for some
other agenda instead. BTW there are more deaths due to automobile
accidents than there are due to shootings so this brings it back
around to your glass half full attitude aimed at self-driving cars
which have caused how many deaths so far...

Laz

On 7/1/16, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

That's a damn good question. Why, indeed, are some blind extremists
allowed

to walk around with guns? Oh, excuse me, it's their constitutional right.
Never mind that they place the rest of us at risk. It's bad enough
that terrorists and sociopaths are allowed to buy and own firearms.
But blind
consumers as well? No wonder this country is a screwed up mess that
has become beholden to dangerous demagogues like Donald Trump.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

It is nonsense because it is simply not possible. And if the
lawmakers were so determined to put a halt to any technology that is
not 100% safe and foolproof, there are many types of technology we
would not have access to in modern society. If the lawmakers in
Washington care so much about keeping dangerous technology out of the
hands of the blind, then why are there several blind individuals who
are still being allowed to legally own firearms?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident



You may think that making self-driving cars 100% foolproof is nonsense.
But
you can bet that the lawmakers in Washington and elsewhere won't see
it that way. They will demand that self-driving vehicles be made as
close to 100% foolproof as possible before they consider enacting
legislation that would allow blind drivers to operate them without the
accompaniment of a sighted driver. That's just the realities of
politics in a predominantly sighted world.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Who knows when blind people will be allowed to manage these types of cars.
Will it be any time soon? Probably not, but there is a difference
between soon and never. But as far as I'm concerned, the other issue
here is this ridiculous assumption that somehow the technology should
be or ever can be made 100% safe and foolproof. That is just nonsense
and trying to predict the future of the technology based on one
accident or even several is just more nonsense.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident


Well I usually don't or try not to look at things with a half empty
blass but a half full one. But in some cases this is just not
possible. I have to agree with him on this Gerald . It is also not
just the US legislature but from state to state. Just like all
driving laws vary from state to state..
It
is called states' rights and there forth each state will more than
likely implement it on law on driving driverless cars. I also think
they would require very special training even for the sited but
certainly for the blind person as well! I just don't see the blind
being able to do this in my life time and I hope to be here around
another 30 years. I am coming up on my 58th birthday.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident


It really doesn't matter what caused the accident. The bottom line is
that
it will be a very long time, if ever, before blind consumers are allowed
to
operate one of these gizmos by themselves. One fatal accident is still
one
fatal accident too many. These vehicles must be made 100% safe and
foolproof before the powers that be in Washington will let blind drivers
behind the wheel without the accompaniment of a sighted driver in the
passenger's seat. Sorry to throw water on your parade.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Again, another reflexive post of yours. There's lots of reasons why this
could have happened. It is likely these multiple car manufacturers are
using different gPS databases and supporting software, as well as other
yet
to be determined reasons, so what happened here may not happen to other
researchers who are using more developed databases--the results depend on
lots of variables. The Google car has not had this type of history, and
the
single accident it had was due to a human disabling the computer and
taking
over the driving.

Gerald, I don't think technology is for you, so you might consider
solutions
which are less stressful to you.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident


For those of you who are chomping at the bit to buy one of those
newfangled
self-driving cars that may some day revolutionize the lives of us blind
consumers, not so fast. The race to develop a safe and reliable
self-driving vehicle suffered a major setback recently when a Tesla
all-electric self-driving car was involved in a fatal accident that killed
the driver while it was operating in self-driving mode. I guess it's back
to the drawing board:


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/business/self-driving-tesla-fat
al-crash-investigation.html?_r=0

Gerald
































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Re: Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Pamela Dominguez
 

ey! I don't blame you for that, given this information. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 12:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

What's insane is that the general public can purchase a version of this
sniper rifle that hits a very small target at over half a mile.

Yikes, I think I will just stay in the house with the blinds drrawn.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 11:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Wow! that is freakin insane!

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

The United States military has a computerized rifle and scope combination.
It first takes a photo of the entire target area. Next, the shooter uses a
cursor on a touch screen to tell the computer where to put the bullet.
Next, the shooter aims at the target. The computer fires the rifle only
when it sees that the rifle is aimed with pin point accuracy. 3 inch
Targets can be hit accurately at distances over two miles.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Finally, a relevant informative post. Thank you for contributing to my small
pool of knowledge. :)

And while on the subject matter, I'm thinking an audio beep of some sort
might be able to alert the blind shooter than the object of interest is
within the cross hairs of scope. Key will be determining what is target
object and what is some sort of artifact.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joe
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

There is now what some are calling a smart rifle, out of Texas. At $25,000,
it's beyond the reach of most enthusiasts, but it can fetch that price for
the level of precision it can automatically adjust to help the shooter
acquire a target. If technology has leaped that far, one can almost wonder
what credit, if any, the shooter gets, but my question is this: What
technology have the hunters among us used to rely a little less on sighted
assistance? I go deer hunting, but thus far I have leaned heavily on
discrete cues from sighted companions to know where and when to fire. It's
not a bad method. I've brought down three bucks in this fashion, and while
hunting can often be enjoyed with companions, it would be nice to
independently, but responsibly, engage and execute the target myself. Right
now I use a laser to help my sighted companions get a better sense of where
I am aiming. This allows me to hold and operate the rifle on my own, but
again, it feels inefficient. Any tips would be welcomed.

I'll note that while I am a member of a local shooting range, I have
hesitated to obtain a gun permit. I understand my shooting would be optimal
at very close range, but the risk of hitting someone innocent, however
small, still weighs on my conscience.

I realize for some the discussion of guns and hunting could be abhorrent. If
so, feel free to email me off list. For whatever it's worth, I eat what I
kill. I've never gone hunting for the mere sport. I've learned how to skin
my own kill, and I suppose one could argue the knife skill in doing so could
itself be viewed as a form of technology skill.

Not to stray too far off topic here, but any number of disasters could occur
in our lifetime and in our own backyard. In a scenario with no power and
extensive food shortage, that Windows machine isn't going to be worth a
whole lot except for maybe scrap metal. Our definition of "technology" just
might revert to what technology used to be. That is, the means to survive.

Best,

Joe

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