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Re: OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

This is an important distinction when reading posts on these lists. When one
states their opinion, it is likely a personal opinion conveying how they use
a product. It is likely the person hasn't used or tested more than the
single product he or she is using, and while it may meet his or her needs,
it is not an objective through assessment of the features or abilities of
the product. You might hear from someone who has in fact used multiple types
of the same product, but if that person isn't a discerning, objective type,
then the person will post similar subjective assessments. I'm only
mentioning this because it appears that many individuals on these lists
conclude a regular poster to be a power-user or reliable source of
information, but this may not be the case at all since there's lots of
passing on of information on these lists without the person having tested
for him/herself. Also, don't forget that if a person on these lists is
knowledgeable at X, then it does not mean he or she is equally as
knowledgeable at Y, or Z. And yes, this goes for me too, but since I am
aware of the many types of logical fallacies the human mind is susceptible
to, I avoid some of these psychological traps. I really do love the fact
that in university I was encouraged to study the soft sciences and hard
sciences associated with the human mind and body as it instilled respect for
the huge, and I mean huge variance in the psychology of the human species.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Matt
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 5:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Well, I have to say I like my KNFB Reader . I don't use it with a stand. But
all I use it for is mail and boxes and med bottles and computer screens and
so on. I don't use it for books to scan and read. I choose the KNFB Reader
for 99 bucks and was sure one of the first one to get it as I got it as soon
as it was released in the app store. To me this is a great solution for what
I do ! If I was scanning books and legal papers and such I might look at
something different. I just not going to fork out for what I do with OCR
around 1000 bucks plus SMA every two years and a scanner price and the up
keep on a scanner! Also the scanner and open book or Ker swell will not scan
and read medicine bottles, computer screens or TV screens or cans of food
and the list goes on. To me the 99 bucks for what I am doing is the best 99
bucks I have ever spent. But like I say I not reading books and most of the
time I not reading legal papers or medical papers and such. Also it is hard
to carry that flatbed scanner around with you to read things with it. It is
not very portable. I need something portable and on the go. The KNFB Reader
fits that bill. So I can see where a flat bed or even a sheet feed scanner
and OB or KW or some other OCR would fit the bill of some. It just don't
work for me and my needs! Also it is more money than I want to spend on OCR.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Take whatever you're scanning with the KNFB Reader then scan this same item
with a full flatbed scanner then compare results.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 11:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Really, my knfb reader works just as good as my scanner and sometimes even
better! Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:49 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
> To the best of my knowledge, a usual Smartphone camera is not
> comparable to a scanner.

Not to mention focus issues. I gave some thought to trying out this
KNFB reader thing, but images (pun intended) of me waving the phone
frantically back and forth trying to get the tiny camera in focus and
repeatedly failing ketp intruding into my thoughts. You have to have the
thing lined up absolutely perfect in order to get intelligible OCR. What a
headache. Not to mention lighting issues, weird fonts and other things I
probably am not thinking of right now.


Re: OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Carlos
 

LOL isn't this a pointless debate? Different solutions for different needs. Although you don't have to pay $1000 for OCR software. FineReader is much less expensive and several of the much more expensive blind oriented solutions like OpenBook use the FineReader engine.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market


Well, I have to say I like my KNFB Reader . I don't use it with a stand. But
all I use it for is mail and boxes and med bottles and computer screens and
so on. I don't use it for books to scan and read. I choose the KNFB Reader
for 99 bucks and was sure one of the first one to get it as I got it as soon
as it was released in the app store. To me this is a great solution for what
I do ! If I was scanning books and legal papers and such I might look at
something different. I just not going to fork out for what I do with OCR
around 1000 bucks plus SMA every two years and a scanner price and the up
keep on a scanner! Also the scanner and open book or Ker swell will not scan
and read medicine bottles, computer screens or TV screens or cans of food
and the list goes on. To me the 99 bucks for what I am doing is the best 99
bucks I have ever spent. But like I say I not reading books and most of the
time I not reading legal papers or medical papers and such. Also it is hard
to carry that flatbed scanner around with you to read things with it. It is
not very portable. I need something portable and on the go. The KNFB Reader
fits that bill. So I can see where a flat bed or even a sheet feed scanner
and OB or KW or some other OCR would fit the bill of some. It just don't
work for me and my needs! Also it is more money than I want to spend on OCR.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Take whatever you're scanning with the KNFB Reader then scan this same item
with a full flatbed scanner then compare results.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 11:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Really, my knfb reader works just as good as my scanner and sometimes even
better! Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:49 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, a usual Smartphone camera is not
comparable to a scanner.
Not to mention focus issues. I gave some thought to trying out this
KNFB reader thing, but images (pun intended) of me waving the phone
frantically back and forth trying to get the tiny camera in focus and
repeatedly failing ketp intruding into my thoughts. You have to have the
thing lined up absolutely perfect in order to get intelligible OCR. What a
headache. Not to mention lighting issues, weird fonts and other things I
probably am not thinking of right now.












Re: IPhone Inquiry

Matt
 

Hmm no way do I trust Facebook at all! Google well maybe they are just taking Apple lead on this privacy thing. But Facebook is anything but private.

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] IPhone Inquiry

 

No. Other companies like Google and Facebook are also working on end-to-end encryption. 

 

From: Matt

Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:24 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] IPhone Inquiry

Well as big as Apple is on privacy I don’t think I would worry about this too much. As for as I know they are the only company that will deny the government to unlock a phone or have a backdoor to their OS to snoop around on people!

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 7:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] IPhone Inquiry

 

People may or may not care but it's my understanding that if you use dictate, your speech is sent to somewhere where Apple uses a speech recognition program to recognize it and transform it to text. 

 

I haven't looked into this enough to know whether serious privacy concerns exist. 

I find it disturbing, however, that this     question hasn't been brought up yet in this discussion. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] IPhone Inquiry

 

Hello,
didn't want to be mean, but, imagining dictating details of contacts, just remind me of having to edit. Guys, trust me, becoming the besq friend of the keyboard, will pay off. You could also try braille screen input, rather than third party apps. Bluetooth keyboard, the options are almost limitless.,

Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On 16 Jun 2016, at 7:24 pm, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:
>
> You will likely lose your mind with aggravation if you are planning on entering contacts using the default onscreen touch keyboard. I'm sure there are some out there who have the patience for such a procedure, but if productivity is your goal, you're better off using MBraille or an external keyboard for entering contacts. Personally, I simply sync contacts into my iPhone using iTunes and Outlook.
>
> JR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:07 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: [TechTalk] IPhone Inquiry
>
> Hi Group,
>
>
> Well, I am taking the plunge and getting training in use of the IPhone.
> So far it's going reasonably well.  I'm learning basic navigation and how to work using voice commands with Siri.
>
>
> I have one question.  Has anyone figured out how to enter contacts into
> yhour e-mail client or phone numbers into your contacts list in an
> easier method than the problematic keyboard that appears when you get
> past the add contact icon?
>
>
> The person instructing is not an absolute expert in instruction in use
> of the IPhone for the visually impaired, and she does not have the
> latest software updates.  Maybe there's an AP that helps with this?
>
>
> If I am able to figure out a relatively easy way of adding contacts as
> well as favorites for browsing, I will probably be a decent user of the
> IPhone.
>
>
>
> --
> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Re: The Future of the Screen Reader Market

Ann Parsons <akp@...>
 

Evening all,

Gene, Kurzweil has two settings, one at 300 DPI and one at 400 DPI.

You are right that criteria for choosing a given software or hardware depends heavily on the consumer's need.

Fine reader may be excellent for reading mail and the occasional document. There is, as you say, no reason for spending lots of money if one does not need to do so.

KNFB Reader is good for reading on the go, but I wouldn't scan a book with it.

However, if one needs to scan books or large amounts of documents, then one needs a flat bed scanner and Kurzweil 1000. Nothing else will do, in fact, one should, if one intends to do serious OCR work, consider the scanner as well. What is needed for serious OCR work is a book Edge scanner.

Kurzweil is the undisputed creme de la creme of OCR programs. that is because its company makes nothing but OCR software. that is all it does and it concentrates on doing that, and that alone. That is why they are the best in the field; just as Baum is the undisputed best in the field when it comes to Braille mechanics and displays. That's all they do! They do have a screen reader, but it is, by far the least of its product line.

There's nothing wrong with giving a company their due and saying that it is the best in its field. That's mere acknowledgement of a fact.

Matching consumer to product is a difficult thing and that's why rehab pays Assistive Trainers to do evaluations before they recommend software and hardware. If given license, a good AT Trainer will recommend the best software and hardware for a consumer no matter which companies pay rehab to push their products. The ability to make choices as to what hardware and software one uses is what it means to be independent.

Ann P.

Original message:

You should not specify one product such as Kurzweil as an ideal OCR system. It may be that using a scanner with an OCR program is superior to using a camera. I have no idea. But there are many good OCR programs to be used with computers and saying one is ideal is not correct.
Also, Kurzweil is about ten times more expensive than fine reader because it is a blindness specific program, not an off the shelf program for purchase by the public. If you don't need the specialized features Kurzweil offers, you are wasting an enormous amount of money.
I am also skeptical about your discussion of resolution. The usual resolution used for OCR with a scanner is 300DPI, dots per inch.) I would think that to be below the resolution capability of any modern cell phone camera. I don't know if a scanner or a camera is better for OCR. But I wouldn't form a conclusion at this time.
Gene
--
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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@samobile.net
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

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Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Matt
 

Well, I have to say I like my KNFB Reader . I don't use it with a stand. But
all I use it for is mail and boxes and med bottles and computer screens and
so on. I don't use it for books to scan and read. I choose the KNFB Reader
for 99 bucks and was sure one of the first one to get it as I got it as soon
as it was released in the app store. To me this is a great solution for what
I do ! If I was scanning books and legal papers and such I might look at
something different. I just not going to fork out for what I do with OCR
around 1000 bucks plus SMA every two years and a scanner price and the up
keep on a scanner! Also the scanner and open book or Ker swell will not scan
and read medicine bottles, computer screens or TV screens or cans of food
and the list goes on. To me the 99 bucks for what I am doing is the best 99
bucks I have ever spent. But like I say I not reading books and most of the
time I not reading legal papers or medical papers and such. Also it is hard
to carry that flatbed scanner around with you to read things with it. It is
not very portable. I need something portable and on the go. The KNFB Reader
fits that bill. So I can see where a flat bed or even a sheet feed scanner
and OB or KW or some other OCR would fit the bill of some. It just don't
work for me and my needs! Also it is more money than I want to spend on OCR.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Take whatever you're scanning with the KNFB Reader then scan this same item
with a full flatbed scanner then compare results.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 11:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Really, my knfb reader works just as good as my scanner and sometimes even
better! Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:49 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
> To the best of my knowledge, a usual Smartphone camera is not
> comparable to a scanner.

Not to mention focus issues. I gave some thought to trying out this
KNFB reader thing, but images (pun intended) of me waving the phone
frantically back and forth trying to get the tiny camera in focus and
repeatedly failing ketp intruding into my thoughts. You have to have the
thing lined up absolutely perfect in order to get intelligible OCR. What a
headache. Not to mention lighting issues, weird fonts and other things I
probably am not thinking of right now.


Re: OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Take whatever you're scanning with the KNFB Reader then scan this same item
with a full flatbed scanner then compare results.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
heather albright
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 11:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Really, my knfb reader works just as good as my scanner and sometimes even
better! Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:49 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
> To the best of my knowledge, a usual Smartphone camera is not
> comparable to a scanner.

Not to mention focus issues. I gave some thought to trying out this
KNFB reader thing, but images (pun intended) of me waving the phone
frantically back and forth trying to get the tiny camera in focus and
repeatedly failing ketp intruding into my thoughts. You have to have the
thing lined up absolutely perfect in order to get intelligible OCR. What a
headache. Not to mention lighting issues, weird fonts and other things I
probably am not thinking of right now.


Re: OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

The posted assessments regarding scanning printed material support my
experience with the inferiority of the KNFB reader. I've also been using
K1000, OpenBook, and there just isn't any question, a flatbed scanner and
scanning software is a much better solution if the goal is as much accuracy
as possible and ease of use. At times it feels to me as if one must use
laboratory testing conditions for the KNFB reader to obtain consistent
results on par with a flatbed scanner.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rob
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 10:49 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, a usual Smartphone camera is not
comparable to a scanner.
Not to mention focus issues. I gave some thought to trying out this KNFB
reader thing, but images (pun intended) of me waving the phone frantically
back and forth trying to get the tiny camera in focus and repeatedly failing
ketp intruding into my thoughts. You have to have the thing lined up
absolutely perfect in order to get intelligible OCR. What a headache. Not to
mention lighting issues, weird fonts and other things I probably am not
thinking of right now.


Re: IPhone Inquiry

Flor Lynch
 

No. Other companies like Google and Facebook are also working on end-to-end encryption. 
 

From: Matt
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] IPhone Inquiry

Well as big as Apple is on privacy I don’t think I would worry about this too much. As for as I know they are the only company that will deny the government to unlock a phone or have a backdoor to their OS to snoop around on people!

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 7:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] IPhone Inquiry

 

People may or may not care but it's my understanding that if you use dictate, your speech is sent to somewhere where Apple uses a speech recognition program to recognize it and transform it to text. 

 

I haven't looked into this enough to know whether serious privacy concerns exist. 

I find it disturbing, however, that this     question hasn't been brought up yet in this discussion. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rajmund

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] IPhone Inquiry

 

Hello,
didn't want to be mean, but, imagining dictating details of contacts, just remind me of having to edit. Guys, trust me, becoming the besq friend of the keyboard, will pay off. You could also try braille screen input, rather than third party apps. Bluetooth keyboard, the options are almost limitless.,

Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On 16 Jun 2016, at 7:24 pm, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:
>
> You will likely lose your mind with aggravation if you are planning on entering contacts using the default onscreen touch keyboard. I'm sure there are some out there who have the patience for such a procedure, but if productivity is your goal, you're better off using MBraille or an external keyboard for entering contacts. Personally, I simply sync contacts into my iPhone using iTunes and Outlook.
>
> JR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:07 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: [TechTalk] IPhone Inquiry
>
> Hi Group,
>
>
> Well, I am taking the plunge and getting training in use of the IPhone.
> So far it's going reasonably well.  I'm learning basic navigation and how to work using voice commands with Siri.
>
>
> I have one question.  Has anyone figured out how to enter contacts into
> yhour e-mail client or phone numbers into your contacts list in an
> easier method than the problematic keyboard that appears when you get
> past the add contact icon?
>
>
> The person instructing is not an absolute expert in instruction in use
> of the IPhone for the visually impaired, and she does not have the
> latest software updates.  Maybe there's an AP that helps with this?
>
>
> If I am able to figure out a relatively easy way of adding contacts as
> well as favorites for browsing, I will probably be a decent user of the
> IPhone.
>
>
>
> --
> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: carlos's win-x boot media

David Mehler
 

Hello,

Thank you Carlos. I appreciate the information, and yes this machine
was purchased with win8 so it's uefi.

Thanks.
Dave.

On 6/15/16, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Hello David,

Win7PE can only boot on a system running Windows 8 if it is configured to
boot in legacy BIOS mode. Almost any systems purchased with Windows 8
preinstalled will be configured to boot in UEFI mode. Win7PE is not capable

of booting in UEFI mode so you will have to use the Win10PE images instead.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Mehler" <dave.mehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:35 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] carlos's win-x boot media


Hello,

Question, more for Carlos but if anyone else knows this please chime
in. Will the win7 boot images, usb cd etc, boot if the underlying host
is a win8 box? I just tried it and it gave me an invalid signature
error.

Second question, can the win10 boot images if any work in booting if
the underlying host is win8?

I'm needing to do an 8 reinstall on a laptop prior to taking it to ten
as it's windows is corrupted. To that end I'm needing the key off this
laptop. It's about a three year old hp.

Thanks.
Dave.






Re: OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Hi Brent,

I just bought the Epson V39, which is inexpensive and very good. I paid $99 on Amazon.ca. It is USB powered, and very small on the desktop. It stores away very neatly, and can also be used for vertical scanning if space is really tight. It is fast, and for me, does a better job than the KNFBReader. Don't get me wrong; I like the KNFBReader, but they serve two different functions for me. Personally, I haven't had great luck with scan stands for the iPhone, and wouldn't scan books with the phone. That's just my usage preference.
Jean

-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Harding
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 2:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

I wonder if there are scanners that aren't too expensive that have close to
the speed of the camera that you can use with Kurzweil? That would really
help with getting through the mail faster.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:49 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market


Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, a usual Smartphone camera is not
comparable to a scanner.
Not to mention focus issues. I gave some thought to trying out this KNFB
reader thing, but images (pun intended) of me waving the phone frantically
back and forth trying to get the tiny camera in focus and repeatedly failing
ketp intruding into my thoughts. You have to have the thing lined up
absolutely perfect in order to get intelligible OCR. What a headache. Not to
mention lighting issues, weird fonts and other things I probably am not
thinking of right now.


Re: OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Brent Harding
 

I wonder if there are scanners that aren't too expensive that have close to the speed of the camera that you can use with Kurzweil? That would really help with getting through the mail faster.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:49 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market


Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, a usual Smartphone camera is not
comparable to a scanner.
Not to mention focus issues. I gave some thought to trying out this KNFB reader thing, but images (pun intended) of me waving the phone frantically back and forth trying to get the tiny camera in focus and repeatedly failing ketp intruding into my thoughts. You have to have the thing lined up absolutely perfect in order to get intelligible OCR. What a headache. Not to mention lighting issues, weird fonts and other things I probably am not thinking of right now.


Re: Outlook 2010 difficulties

Andrew
 

    Hello Carlos, I do trust ya.. How do I get it to you? I have send space or drop box. Andrew

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Outlook 2010 difficulties

Well, if you're willing to trust me with your .wab address book file, I can export and send it back to you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Outlook 2010 difficulties

That is where the problem is. The computer that had the OE 7 on it is gone. My friend sent me what could be salvaged off the old HD.

Is there a way to maybe convert this WAB to something recognizable by Outlook 2010. Andrew

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 2:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Outlook 2010 difficulties

 

Export wab files as comma separated values csv files.  Use Outlook Express to Export them.  Then import them into Outlook.  Wab is an old Outlook Express format.  It is no longer supported by modern e-mail programs.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Andrew

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:52 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Outlook 2010 difficulties

 

Hello Carlos & all. I've veen using OE for Windows 7 for a while now & who I considered a friend, suggested Outlook 2010.
I've  been struggling with it for some time now. I downloaded the Sweetman podcast from Tech talk, although well done.
I have some issues. Contacts.. I have .WAB files with all my contacts in them. which don't seem to import into outlook 2010. DRAT!
andrew  


Re: The Future of the Screen Reader Market

Matt
 

I have to disagree with this!


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 1:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Future of the Screen Reader Market

Hi Matt,
To the best of my knowledge, a usual Smartphone camera is not comparable to a scanner. A flatbed scanner may be able to cover a larger surface area, scan with higher resolution images, thus leading to better OCRed results. KNFb Reader probably does what it can to the best of its abilities, but Kurzweil with a scanner is the only ideal pair for hard core print to electronic text conversion.
Thanks.

On 6/18/16, Matt <matt.from.florida@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you use a stand with your phone? If not then I can understand why.
If you use one of the stands and use the Knfb reader they say it works
great and very fast and easy.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 11:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Future of the Screen Reader Market

Oh, the thought of that! I use the Kurzweil and my scanner for books.
It's
bad enough scanning a page with my phone, never mind a whole book of pages!

Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 7:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Future of the Screen Reader Market

Mark, have you tried scanning a book with k n f b reader?

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: June-17-16 5:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Future of the Screen Reader Market

Well, there is just so much you can do with OCr. Also they have other
type of OCR product as well. Also the KNFB Reader a lot of people is
using that now . Especially since it is on both IOS and Android
platform. 99 bucks sure is much cheaper than OB or KW is. Then the
cost of a Scanner on top of that.
Now KNFB reader not a OB or KW . As these has other features that
really has nothing to do with OCR. I myself was looking at getting OB
and some kind of scanner till abut then KNFB Reader came out and then
it was so good it was waste of money to get OB and scanner . not
talking about where I was going to put the scanner. So I now use the
KNFB reader and it does 95 percent or more of what I would have been
scanning. So I think things Like a big old scanner and paying the
outrageous price for OCR might have seen most of it days. Yes there
will be market for such A T products as there will always be someone
who want that A T product and of course government agencies and such
buying it for clients. But as more of us start paying out of the
pocket I think you will see people using alternative products that
cost much less and that are main stream products. JST


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

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Behalf Of Ann Parsons
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Future of the Screen Reader Market

Hi all,

Hmmm, perhaps I am equating updating with strong marketing. I haven't
seen any strong push on the part of FS/VFO for OB. It's not mentioned
often and it's not being brought out as a representative of their product line.

Ann P.

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Re: iphone timer

Anders Holmberg <anders@...>
 

Hi!
Well, maybe i should not try to help here but now you have solved your problem so thats fine.
Things work great for me with the normal timer and its stranged to be bashed if things works for one but not for the other.
But thats ok with me.
/A∆

On 16 Jun 2016, at 23:48, Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:

Set correct? Which way is correct. I originally had it set to none and after your message, I set it to all. Same result.
 
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 2:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] iphone timer
 
Hi!
Check that the punctioation is set correct.
On my screen it tells me the full time when i swipe so i really don’t know why it shouldn’t work for others.
 
On 16 Jun 2016, at 20:12, Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:
 
Hi,
 
In the lock screen, when the timer is going, it speaks the seconds. Is it possible to have it speak the complete time that has elapsed.  For example, if I set my timer for 25 minutes, instead of it saying 20 seconds, can it say 20 minutes and 30 seconds? If so, how do I set this up.
Thank you.
 



Re: OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Matt
 

Well that is why you use a stand for it and by the way on the iPhone and
sure it does on Android as well it helps you focus the camera. But you don't
need that if you use a stand. I don't use a stand and get great results. I
sure if I bought a stand and used it it would be even better.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rob
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 1:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, a usual Smartphone camera is not
comparable to a scanner.
Not to mention focus issues. I gave some thought to trying out this KNFB
reader thing, but images (pun intended) of me waving the phone frantically
back and forth trying to get the tiny camera in focus and repeatedly failing
ketp intruding into my thoughts. You have to have the thing lined up
absolutely perfect in order to get intelligible OCR. What a headache. Not to
mention lighting issues, weird fonts and other things I probably am not
thinking of right now.


Re: Making i phone ring more times

Monica Jones
 

You're right, this cannot be changed in settings. It must be changed through your carrier; it's how I changed mine. AT&T was able to set mine for 30 seconds without the extra ring time charging me air time. Some carriers might be better, but that's the way it must be done.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rajmund
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making i phone ring more times

Hi,
Don't believe that that is possible.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna" <donnamarie1947@roadrunner.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 09:27:27 -0700
Subject: [TechTalk] Making i phone ring more times

Where do I go in settings to have phone ring more times before
going
to voice mail,now it only rings on time then to voice.
Donna







Monni, the coffee gal
Twitter, @Monni52

Facebook, Monica Rose Jones


Re: FVO?

TerriLynne Pomeroy <tl1@...>
 

Thanks. That clears it up for me. *smile*

TerriLynne

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 7:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FVO?

It's VFO - Vision, Freedom, Optelec.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
TerriLynne Pomeroy
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] FVO?

What does the acronym FVO stand for in the messages about Freedom Scientific
and Ai Squared? I am looking on the internet and can't find what it stands
for.



TerriLynne


Re: Making i phone ring more times

Barb O'Connor
 

Donna, you have to call your carrier and ask them to change the rings. I can't believe that it would only ring once. Has it always done that or has something changed?

Barb

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Donna <donnamarie1947@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Where do I go in settings to have phone ring more times before going to voice mail,now it only rings on time then to voice.
Donna




Re: OCR, was Screen Reader Market

heather albright
 

Really, my knfb reader works just as good as my scanner and sometimes even better! Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:49 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] OCR, was Screen Reader Market

Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
> To the best of my knowledge, a usual Smartphone camera is not
> comparable to a scanner.

Not to mention focus issues. I gave some thought to trying out this KNFB reader thing, but images (pun intended) of me waving the phone frantically back and forth trying to get the tiny camera in focus and repeatedly failing ketp intruding into my thoughts. You have to have the thing lined up absolutely perfect in order to get intelligible OCR. What a headache. Not to mention lighting issues, weird fonts and other things I probably am not thinking of right now.



Re: The Future of the Screen Reader Market

Gene
 

You should not specify one product such as Kurzweil as an ideal OCR system.  It may be that using a scanner with an OCR program is superior to using a camera.  I have no idea.  But there are many good OCR programs to be used with computers and saying one is ideal is not correct. 
 
Also, Kurzweil is about ten times more expensive than fine reader because it is a blindness specific program, not an off the shelf program for purchase by the public.  If you don't need the specialized features Kurzweil offers, you are wasting an enormous amount of money.
 
I am also skeptical about your discussion of resolution.  The usual resolution used for OCR with a scanner is 300DPI, dots per inch.)  I would think that to be below the resolution capability of any modern cell phone camera.  I don't know if a scanner or a camera is better for OCR.  But I wouldn't form a conclusion at this time.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Future of the Screen Reader Market

Hi Matt,
To the best of my knowledge, a usual Smartphone camera is not
comparable to a scanner. A flatbed scanner may be able to cover a
larger surface area, scan with higher resolution images, thus leading
to better OCRed results. KNFb Reader probably does what it can to the
best of its abilities, but Kurzweil with a scanner is the only ideal
pair for hard core print to electronic text conversion.
Thanks.

On 6/18/16, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
> Do you use a stand with your phone? If not then I can understand why. If
> you
> use one of the stands and use the Knfb reader they say it works great and
> very fast and easy.
>
>
> Matt.from.florida@...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Pamela Dominguez
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 11:46 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Future of the Screen Reader Market
>
> Oh, the thought of that!  I use the Kurzweil and my scanner for books.
> It's
> bad enough scanning a page with my phone, never mind a whole book of pages!
>
> Pam.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Monte Single
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 7:57 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Future of the Screen Reader Market
>
> Mark, have you tried scanning a book with k n f b reader?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Matt
> Sent: June-17-16 5:12 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Future of the Screen Reader Market
>
> Well, there is just so much you can do with OCr. Also they have other type
> of OCR product as well. Also the KNFB Reader a lot of people is using that
> now . Especially since it is on both IOS and Android platform. 99 bucks
> sure
> is much cheaper than OB or KW is. Then the cost of a Scanner on top of
> that.
> Now KNFB reader not a OB or KW . As these has other features that really
> has
> nothing to do with OCR.  I myself was looking at getting OB and some kind
> of
> scanner till abut then KNFB Reader came out and then it was so good it was
> waste of money to get OB and scanner . not talking about where I was going
> to put the scanner. So I now use the KNFB reader and it does 95 percent or
> more of what I would have been scanning. So I think things Like a big old
> scanner and paying the outrageous price for OCR might have seen most of it
> days. Yes there will be market for such A T products as there will always
> be
> someone who want that A T product and of course government agencies and
> such
> buying it for clients. But as more of us start paying out of the pocket I
> think you will see people using alternative products that cost much less
> and
> that are main stream products. JST
>
>
> Matt.from.florida@...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Ann Parsons
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:18 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] The Future of the Screen Reader Market
>
> Hi all,
>
> Hmmm, perhaps I am equating updating with strong marketing.  I haven't seen
> any strong push on the part of FS/VFO for OB.  It's not mentioned often and
> it's not being brought out as a representative of their product line.
>
> Ann P.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> Portal Tutoring
> EMAIL:  akp@...
> web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
> Skype: Putertutor
>
> "All that is gold does not glitter,
> Not all those who wander are lost."
>
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Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09