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Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carolyn Arnold
 

2. I never use Narrator.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.



1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly


Vote Now <https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/vote?pollid=137>


Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Carolyn Arnold
 

The thing about Narrator is that it has such a pleasant voice, but, JAWS is the devil I know.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 8:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

Yes I think it is very poor that their flag ship browser is not accessible to us! I also think they could have and should have made Narrator a full blown integrated screen reader just like Apple did with VO on all it products!





Matt.from.florida@gmail.com <mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog



I have defended Microsoft for years when I thought they deserved it. I will not defend them in their accessibility implementation of accessibility in Windows 10. My thoughts on the blog entry are below.


Almost a year after Windows 10 has been released and Microsoft is still dealing with some of the kinds of things discussed in its blog? Being passionate about accessibility means not waiting a year and still having significant accessibility problems. Being passionate about accessibility means having reasonable accessibility at the time of initial release.



And please stop patronizing those who provide feedback. It isn't incredible. It's useful and good feedback but incredible? You aren't accomplishing anything by heaping excessive praise on those who provide feedback but patronizing them. We don't want to be called incredible nor our feedback. We want implementation and at a much faster and better rate. And does some of this feedback really have to be given in order for you to know about it? Since the nineties, Windows screen-readers have routinely offered speech that can go faster than 430 words per minute. If your accessibility team really needs user feedback to be aware of the need for fast speech, then what else is the team unaware of that should be common knowledge to anyone working in the field of accessibility?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher Hallsworth <mailto:challsworth2@icloud.com>

Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:06 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog




https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progr
ess-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-prog
ress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/>

Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary
Update

With more than one billion people with disabilities in the world, Microsoft is passionate about accessibility and ensuring our products work for all our customers. Today we are excited to share additional details about the Windows 10 Anniversary Update which represents a significant step forward in our effort to make Microsoft products accessible. We encourage anyone already running Windows 10 to upgrade when the update becomes available. We also recognize that we must continue to invest in accessibility and are committed to the continued improvement of built-in features like Narrator and Magnifier as well as the accessibility of experiences and apps like Cortana, Mail and setup. If you are a user of Assistive Technology and are still using Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 and want to wait to upgrade, don’t forget that you will still have the opportunity to upgrade at no cost even after the Windows 10 free upgrade period ends. We will have a page available on July 29 for people using AT to take advantage of the free upgrade offer.

We have already shared many of these details with our Windows Insider program over the last several months, so this blog post will recap those areas and share a few new things. Customer feedback through the Windows Insider program and from our users with disabilities has been essential to helping us focus our work in several key areas. These include improving the screen reading experience with Narrator, the accessibility of experiences and apps like Microsoft Edge, Mail and the Start menu, as well as better tools and resources for developers to build more accessible apps and experiences.

Improved Screen Reading with Narrator

As we’ve stated in a series of recent blog posts, a lot of changes with Narrator that you will see as a part of the Windows 10 Anniversary Update were directly influenced by your incredible feedback. Those changes include:

Faster text to speech voices

We’ve added new voices to Narrator that offer a much faster top rate of speech. Our current voices average a maximum of roughly 400 words per minute. The new voices average nearly twice that at approximately 800 words per minute.

New languages in Narrator

We continue to add new international languages for Narrator, including Arabic and several Nordic languages. The following new languages will be available either with the corresponding international version of Windows or will be available for download.

Spanish (Mexico) French (Canada) Portuguese (Brazil) Arabic (Egypt)
Catalan (Spain) Danish (Denmark) Finnish (Finland) Norwegian (Norway)
Dutch (Belgium) Dutch (Netherlands) Portuguese (Portugal) Swedish
(Sweden) Turkish (Turkey) More familiar keyboard navigation

Keyboard commands in Narrator are now more familiar to users of other screen readers. Some keyboard interactions have been simplified to ensure better ergonomics, making them easier to type.

Introducing scan mode

We’ve introduced a new navigation mode to Narrator called Scan mode. Scan Mode is turned on with a press of CAPS LOCK and SPACE. While you are in Scan mode you can press SPACE to activate an item of interest, such as following a link on a web page or pressing a button in an app.

Six levels of verbosity

Narrator now supports six levels of verbosity for giving you more details about the characteristics of text. You can cycle through these modes by pressing CAPS LOCK + CTRL + (PLUS). For example, at what we call Verbose mode 0 (zero), you will hear just the text. At verbose mode 1, you might hear if the text is a heading. At other verbose levels, you will get varying indications of other text properties, like text color or formatting.

Punctuation Modes

Narrator now gives you more control over how much punctuation you hear when reading text. CAPS LOCK+ALT+(PLUS) and CAPS LOCK+ALT+(MINUS) cycle through the settings for punctuation. The settings for punctuation include none, some, most, all and math along with default.

Now announcing AutoSuggest results

Many applications in Windows 10 offer automatic suggestions as you enter information. For example, when you start entering a search term in an application search box you may get suggestions based on what you are entering. With Narrator you will now get a verbal hint with an audio indication when these suggestions are available.

Feedback made easy

Pressing CAPS LOCK + E + E when running Narrator is an easy way to send us feedback. This shortcut will bring up a feedback form where you can submit comments and suggestions about your experience with Narrator.

User guides and documentation

Our documentation team has been working hard to update the resources available to those who are learning how to use Narrator. We are looking forward to providing improved and more complete documentation like an updated Narrator user guide that will be available online when the Anniversary Update is released.

Working to make apps and experiences more accessible

Along with many of these accessibility updates to Windows 10, most of our app teams have also been making regular updates. Below are a few of the notable highlights.

More accessible browsing and reading with Microsoft Edge

In a series of blog posts, the Microsoft Edge team has been providing detailed updates on their accessibility progress. For example, the team has already shared how work to support modern web accessibility standards is helping developers more easily build accessible sites. And with the introduction of Microsoft Edge’s new accessibility architecture, we are working to make Edge a more inclusive and reliable experience for everyone. The team has also been working closely with the most popular third-party assistive technology vendors to guide them through the transition to this new platform.

In addition to the work the team has already shared, we are also excited for you to try the improvements to the end user accessibility experience of the Microsoft Edge app and PDF reader. These include broad support for tagged PDF files, and a wide range of improvements to common daily browsing features such as address bar, tabs, windows, and favorites.

Mail

Since the initial release of Windows 10 last summer, there have been many improvements to the accessibility of the Mail app. The Mail team described many of these updates in a blog last February and has since that time continued to make progress on things like improving the account setup experience when using a screen reader.

Cortana

You can more reliably operate search and Cortana with the keyboard, including things like navigating using arrow keys and tab order. There are also Improvements to high contrast that make the Cortana UI more legible in all contrast modes. The team has also made a number of general fixes that improve the experience with Cortana when using accessibility tools such as Windows Speech Recognition, Narrator and other screen-readers.

Groove

The Groove team has delivered a number of key updates for low vision users like better support for high DPI scaling and better high contrast support, including better color combinations and the boxing of text when appearing on top of album art. In addition, the team has done work to make the app a better experience when using a screen reader by adding a number of new shortcut keys as well as fixing a number of bugs when using Narrator.

Making accessibility easier for developers

In addition to the progress being made with our apps and built-in accessibility features we have been making investments in the tools and reference materials that developers rely on to create accessible experiences within their apps and websites. Here are a few developer resources we have already made available or will be a part of the Windows 10 anniversary Update.

New Tools

Developer tools are essential to making accessibility just work. The Visual Studio App Analysis tool was updated to helping devs to find, triage and fix accessibility errors like flagging controls that don’t have an accessible name. We also introduced a new developer mode in Narrator. Narrator dev mode can be turned on when Narrator is already running by pressing SHIFT + CAPS LOCK + F12. When dev mode is turned on the screen will be masked and will highlight only the accessible objects and the associated text that is exposed programmatically to Narrator.

XAML Improvements

The XAML team has improved the support for Mnemonics within Universal Windows Apps (UWA’s) allowing for better Access Key customizations. For example, the developer of a shopping app can now assign a custom Access Key like P, that can be activated by pressing ALT then the letter P, in order to activate the purchase button.

Improved Documentation

And finally the team has worked hard to improve the discoverability and update the documentation we provide for developers. We recently relaunched the accessibility developer hub as well as general design guidelines and sample code for accessibility.

Most importantly, your feedback is imperative to getting accessibility right. Keep letting us know what accessibility features are important to you. If you are already running Windows 10, you can simply press CAPS LOCK + E (two times) to bring up a feedback form when using Narrator. Or, if you are technically minded, you can help us by becoming a Windows Insider and giving us feedback on the latest updates to Windows as we are building them.

Previous Blogs and Resources:

Windows

Further Details on the Coming Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/09/further-det
ails-on-the-coming-improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>
Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/11/improvement
s-to-narrator-in-windows-10/> Making Windows 10 and Office 365 more
accessible: Our path forward
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/24/making-wind
ows-10-and-office-365-more-accessible-our-path-forward/>
Accessibility Update for Windows 10 Mail
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/01/accessibili
ty-update-for-windows-10-mail/> Accessibility and the Windows 10 Free
Upgrade
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/06/accessibili
ty-and-the-windows-10-free-upgrade/>
Microsoft Edge

Ensuring high-quality browser accessibility with automation
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/26/new-edge-bl
og-ensuring-high-quality-browser-accessibility-with-automation/>
Building a more accessible user experience with HTML5 and UIA
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/13/new-edge-bl
og-building-a-more-accessible-user-experience-with-html5-and-uia/>
Building a More Accessible Web Platform
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/21/building-a-
more-accessible-web-platform/>
Developers

Accessibility Design guidelines
<https://msdn.microsoft.com/windows/uwp/accessibility/accessibility-ov
erview> Accessibility Developer Hub
<https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/accessible-apps>


Re: all about guns and safety was Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Carolyn Arnold
 

Guns are technical. All computers are technical, but not all
technical equipment is a computer. Now that is being very
objective from me, since anyone who knows me well knows my
viewpoint on guns. However, that viewpoint is not shared by
everyone, and I am not so dogmatic to say that only one idea
is correct. I just point out, that it would seem that guns,
while not computers, are technical. Clocks, recorders and
hearing aids are not, but we have discussed them at length.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk]
Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Hi Carlos,

In hopes of not stepping on toes, I think you might want to
define what is meant by technology as it relates to this
list. I don't think most would consider guns technology in
terms of the scope of blind members wanting to know about
computer sciences and general computing. As is, it appears
that just about anything can be considered technology is one
thinks about it.
Would the study of ants be considered technology if an
electronic device is used to watch them at work? Would
Woman's make-up be on topic on this list if someone twists
him or herself in pretzels to box up a question using a
technology slant? I think most list members consider
computers and all they do for us as on topic, but
seismographs and oscilloscopes might not be as relevant.
...Just looking for a bit more clarity.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk]
Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident

Guns are most certainly technology and I personally don't
have a problem with the discussion, but I believe some
members might not be quite as understanding so we might want
to close this topic or move it to the chat list as was
suggested.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk]
Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal Accident


Well it not just because it a gun thread if it was about
guns and the
technology that could be implemted on them then it would
be on topic.
But just guns in general no . or if it is abut guns and
blindness it
would be on topic. As carlos is fairly flexable and most
anything
technology wise or blindness related is on topic . But I
have no
problem about moving to the chat room.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:31 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk]
Self-Driving Car
Involved In Fatal Accident

It might be time for the chat list as this topic has now
morphed into
some sort of gun thread.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: all about guns and safety was [TechTalk]
Self-Driving Car
Involved In Fatal Accident

Well this is true on single action revolvers of today and
it is still
the safety way is to let the hammer set on an empty
chamber. Now you
could do the same for a double action as well let it set
on the empty
chamber but you don't have to . As the trigger pull unless
modified is
usually a fairly heavy pull anyhow. . but the safest way
is not to put
your finger on the trigger till you are ready to pull it.
they really
have 4types of revolvers as I know. They are single shot,
single
action, double action only and DASA (Double action plus
single action)
another words you can just pull the trigger or you can
cock the hammer
and pull the trigger. Your choice. Most double action only
does not
have an external hammer.
Now I was brought up with guns and had them around me and
learn at
every early age about them and how to handle them. But you
need to get
training on handling them and using them as well as
training on the
laws and how to protect yourself with them. it is much
more than just
going out and buying gun. This is just stupid. I not a big
fan of most
regulation but some I am and some I have no problem with
them at all.
But I don't know if we are not sort of straying off topic
and off the
the subject as well so this might need to be moved to the
chat room.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

You can't even pull the trigger on a single action
revolver unless the
hammer is cocked back in to the firing position. You
never cock the
gun unless you intend to discharge it.

Most double action revolvers do not have a safety because
the gun still
needs to be cocked before it can be fired. Or, the
necessary trigger
travel to discharge the gun is so great that it would be
almost
impossible to accidentily pull the trigger far enough to
shoot the gun.

James



-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 11:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

You can on most all pistols you cannot on revolvers the
safety is not
to pull the trigger.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

I think you can lock the trigger. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rajmund
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

My problem with a gun would be, what if I accidently
trigger it in my
pocket? Or sit on it, or whatever?
Knife, cane, spray, they're all good, but I'd be worried
with a gun.
Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:12:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

Nothing wrong with pepper spray in certain events but you
don't take
pepper spray to a gun fight or a knife fight or even a
baseball bat
fight. If you did you would be on the losing end of the
fight for
sure!
You can have lots of things in your protection tool box!
Pepper spray
is one of them. But it should not be the only thing. You
should have
a knife , stun gun or Taser and a gun for sure a good old
fashion
hickory cane with a good hook to it that is very pointed
at the end of
the hook is good or asord cane is good. But a water gun
is not much
good unless you have something besides water in it.



Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Rajmund
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 4:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

Hi All,
Speaking of protection, I'd feel safer with a bottle of
pepper spray
myself, too. I have worries about guns myself, but the
good old
pepper spray.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laz" <laz@talkingmp3players.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:55:52 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

Gerald, I really hope you're just joking with all this
drivel. I know
one of these so-called "blind extremists" who carries a
gun and he
carries it for protection only. The times he has shot it
in public
was because he was being threatened by four sighted
extremist thugs
also known as criminals, who were threatening to not only
rob him but
cause him physical harm. He took out his gun and shot
once, straight
up into the air. Yes, the extremist thugs quickly ran
away in fright
and I hope they also needed to do some laundry quickly
afterward.
Who
knows what would have happened to my friend if he hadn't
been legally
carrying his weapon. But I know I'm wasting my time with
telling you
that as you're not for the individual and his rights but
for some
other agenda instead. BTW there are more deaths due to
automobile
accidents than there are due to shootings so this brings
it back
around to your glass half full attitude aimed at
self-driving cars
which have caused how many deaths so far...

Laz

On 7/1/16, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

That's a damn good question. Why, indeed, are some blind
extremists
allowed

to walk around with guns? Oh, excuse me, it's their
constitutional right.
Never mind that they place the rest of us at risk. It's
bad enough
that terrorists and sociopaths are allowed to buy and own
firearms.
But blind
consumers as well? No wonder this country is a screwed up
mess that
has become beholden to dangerous demagogues like Donald
Trump.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

It is nonsense because it is simply not possible. And if
the
lawmakers were so determined to put a halt to any
technology that is
not 100% safe and foolproof, there are many types of
technology we
would not have access to in modern society. If the
lawmakers in
Washington care so much about keeping dangerous technology
out of the
hands of the blind, then why are there several blind
individuals who
are still being allowed to legally own firearms?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident



You may think that making self-driving cars 100% foolproof
is nonsense.
But
you can bet that the lawmakers in Washington and elsewhere
won't see
it that way. They will demand that self-driving vehicles
be made as
close to 100% foolproof as possible before they consider
enacting
legislation that would allow blind drivers to operate them
without the
accompaniment of a sighted driver. That's just the
realities of
politics in a predominantly sighted world.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

Who knows when blind people will be allowed to manage
these types of cars.
Will it be any time soon? Probably not, but there is a
difference
between soon and never. But as far as I'm concerned, the
other issue
here is this ridiculous assumption that somehow the
technology should
be or ever can be made 100% safe and foolproof. That is
just nonsense
and trying to predict the future of the technology based
on one
accident or even several is just more nonsense.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident


Well I usually don't or try not to look at things with a
half empty
blass but a half full one. But in some cases this is just
not
possible. I have to agree with him on this Gerald . It
is also not
just the US legislature but from state to state. Just
like all
driving laws vary from state to state..
It
is called states' rights and there forth each state will
more than
likely implement it on law on driving driverless cars. I
also think
they would require very special training even for the
sited but
certainly for the blind person as well! I just don't see
the blind
being able to do this in my life time and I hope to be
here around
another 30 years. I am coming up on my 58th birthday.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident


It really doesn't matter what caused the accident. The
bottom line is
that it will be a very long time, if ever, before blind
consumers are
allowed to operate one of these gizmos by themselves. One
fatal
accident is still one fatal accident too many. These
vehicles must be
made 100% safe and foolproof before the powers that be in
Washington
will let blind drivers behind the wheel without the
accompaniment of a
sighted driver in the passenger's seat. Sorry to throw
water on your
parade.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident

Again, another reflexive post of yours. There's lots of
reasons why
this could have happened. It is likely these multiple car
manufacturers are using different gPS databases and
supporting
software, as well as other yet to be determined reasons,
so what
happened here may not happen to other researchers who are
using more
developed databases--the results depend on lots of
variables. The
Google car has not had this type of history, and the
single accident
it had was due to a human disabling the computer and
taking over the
driving.

Gerald, I don't think technology is for you, so you might
consider
solutions which are less stressful to you.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Self-Driving Car Involved In Fatal
Accident


For those of you who are chomping at the bit to buy one of
those
newfangled
self-driving cars that may some day revolutionize the
lives of us blind
consumers, not so fast. The race to develop a safe and
reliable
self-driving vehicle suffered a major setback recently
when a Tesla
all-electric self-driving car was involved in a fatal
accident that killed
the driver while it was operating in self-driving mode. I
guess it's back
to the drawing board:


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/business/self-driving-tesl
a-fat
al-crash-investigation.html?_r=0

Gerald
































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Re: Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi All,
This is a calm, and quite often, like yesterday, entertaining list. I'm not afraid to contribute or ask things, as unlike with most places, I won't be attacked. LOL, prepare, I'm entering the world of windows next week, so there will be real real bginner questions. Anyway, just wanted to say I like how it is relaxed, yet, is still on the point. Thanks for a place like this one, Carlos.
No pretending behind this, if I had to recommend a general tech list, it would have to be this one. Sorry for mods and co-mods from other lists, if you're here.
Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 14:15:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Totally agree !




Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 2, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

I honestly can't understand why some people have such a narrow definition of the word technology. The word technology is not a synonym for computer. While I can understand that is usually the primary interest of discussion on such lists, I figured there were enough lists which exclusively discuss computer technology that trying to keep this list a bit more flexible wouldn't be considered unreasonable.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Wohlgamuth
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Hi there Folks!

Wonder what this topic has to do with technology and accessibility? To my knowledge they do not make a gun with any sort of blindness technology-or do they..? I really do wish we could get this list back on topic and leave the gun talk to the chat list. Personally I am 60 years old and have never owned a gun-and probably never will. If I were to own a gun it would be somethihng like a shotgun so that if I actually had to shoot at someone in self defense, I might have a chance of hitting them. We really don't need a bunch of Barney Fifes shooting themselves in the foot<SMILE!>. I know there are folks out there who use guns responsibly and that is most of them.

But I wonder just how many gun owners are blind or legally blind? Anyone no any stats on that? Have A Good 1! de
<KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>.
On 02-Jul-16 12:32, James Bentley wrote:
What's insane is that the general public can purchase a version of this sniper rifle that hits a very small target at over half a mile.

Yikes, I think I will just stay in the house with the blinds drrawn.



-----Original Message----- From: Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 11:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Wow! that is freakin insane!

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

The United States military has a computerized rifle and scope combination.
It first takes a photo of the entire target area. Next, the shooter uses a
cursor on a touch screen to tell the computer where to put the bullet.
Next, the shooter aims at the target. The computer fires the rifle only
when it sees that the rifle is aimed with pin point accuracy. 3 inch
Targets can be hit accurately at distances over two miles.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Finally, a relevant informative post. Thank you for contributing to my small
pool of knowledge. :)

And while on the subject matter, I'm thinking an audio beep of some sort
might be able to alert the blind shooter than the object of interest is
within the cross hairs of scope. Key will be determining what is target
object and what is some sort of artifact.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joe
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

There is now what some are calling a smart rifle, out of Texas. At $25,000,
it's beyond the reach of most enthusiasts, but it can fetch that price for
the level of precision it can automatically adjust to help the shooter
acquire a target. If technology has leaped that far, one can almost wonder
what credit, if any, the shooter gets, but my question is this: What
technology have the hunters among us used to rely a little less on sighted
assistance? I go deer hunting, but thus far I have leaned heavily on
discrete cues from sighted companions to know where and when to fire. It's
not a bad method. I've brought down three bucks in this fashion, and while
hunting can often be enjoyed with companions, it would be nice to
independently, but responsibly, engage and execute the target myself. Right
now I use a laser to help my sighted companions get a better sense of where
I am aiming. This allows me to hold and operate the rifle on my own, but
again, it feels inefficient. Any tips would be welcomed.

I'll note that while I am a member of a local shooting range, I have
hesitated to obtain a gun permit. I understand my shooting would be optimal
at very close range, but the risk of hitting someone innocent, however
small, still weighs on my conscience.

I realize for some the discussion of guns and hunting could be abhorrent. If
so, feel free to email me off list. For whatever it's worth, I eat what I
kill. I've never gone hunting for the mere sport. I've learned how to skin
my own kill, and I suppose one could argue the knife skill in doing so could
itself be viewed as a form of technology skill.

Not to stray too far off topic here, but any number of disasters could occur
in our lifetime and in our own backyard. In a scenario with no power and
extensive food shortage, that Windows machine isn't going to be worth a
whole lot except for maybe scrap metal. Our definition of "technology" just
might revert to what technology used to be. That is, the means to survive.

Best,

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi Carlos,
I deleted your original post, but, know how you're saying Mac? To my knowledge, talkBack is built into android, yet, there's another one called ShinePlus. I wonder, if, say, MS made a fully built in screen reader, as long as windows was opened, I can't see why something like would NVDA died. Apple is different, as their system is not opened.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "RJ Sandefur" <manbatsandefur@outlook.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 18:11:19 +0000
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

No it wouldn't. RJ


On 7/2/2016 1:53 PM, Carlos wrote:
Whether Narrator becomes a full-blown screen reader some day, it has a
long
way to go. And in my opinion, making Narrator a full-blown screen reader
would only stifle development for the competition. It is good to have
options and Macs are a good example of what happens when a full-blown
screen
reader is built-in to the operating system.
----- Original Message -----
From: "RJ Sandefur" <manbatsandefur@outlook.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I am not usually one to use this type of strong language, but really?
How do you think NVDA and Jaws got to where they are? Feedback! Let's
all give narrator a chance. Microsoft alone won't make the screenreader,
but together, the end users,(Us the blind community) will make Narrator
a screenreader which could even beat out voice over if we really wanted
it bad enough. RJ


On 7/2/2016 1:19 PM, Marie wrote:
I find Narrator useful on occasion, but it is far from being a full
screen reader and I would hate it if they made it like the Apple
devices where it is your only choice.
Marie


-----Original Message----- From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

If they are going somewhere with Narrator, then they should simply
release a
major upgrade when it is ready to be used as a full-blown screen
reader. At
this point it is wasted effort to introduce these minor changes since
it is
still not functional enough to be used by most on a daily basis.
Gradually
introducing features that most people probably won't use because there
is a
better free alternative seems like effort that could be more
productively
invested somewhere else for now.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Yeah, but they might be going somewhere with it which we don't know
about
just yet. Some of the features discussed in the article seem as though
they
may have been influenced by general screen reader tech.

They might first want to start with the Windows OS then ultimately
create a
VoiceOver competitor for future Windows devices.

With technology advancing as it does, why not accept the help from
one of
the biggest computer software developers in the world? Furthermore,
this
development might yield discoveries which will help with other related
disabilities experienced by an aging population.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

And honestly, the focus on Narrator seems like wasted time and somewhat
excessive in my opinion. How many people really use Narrator on a
daily
basis? The fact is that most users only run Narrator in an emergency
or to
finish setting up Windows. It is useful and convenient to have, but
for
most it does not provide enough functionality to be used as a primary
screen
reader. These days those who cannot afford one of the expensive screen
readers will most likely use NVDA. And Narrator has a long way to go
before
it can compete with NVDA. That being the case, I believe their time
and
effort would be better spent on improving accessibility in other
areas. If
NVDA did not exist, then the efforts to improve Narrator might seem
more
significant, but again in my opinion at this time, it just seems like
wasted
effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

I have defended Microsoft for years when I thought they deserved it.
I will
not defend them in their accessibility implementation of
accessibility in
Windows 10. My thoughts on the blog entry are below


Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


My 2 cents worth:
1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Once you have successfully logged in, you should click the
link in the Email again.  LOL I guess I shouldn't have bothered.  I forgot about the need to log in.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Carlos,
 
I also clicked on ‘vote’ and it took me to logon so I did the password thing and it took me to a subscriptions page, I clicked on TechTalk and it took me to the TechTalk page but no ‘vote’ option.
 
Marvin
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:39 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll
 

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now


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Re: Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Matt
 

Totally agree !




Matt.from.florida@...
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 2, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

I honestly can't understand why some people have such a narrow definition of the word technology.  The word technology is not a synonym for computer.  While I can understand that is usually the primary interest of discussion on such lists, I figured there were enough lists which exclusively discuss computer technology that trying to keep this list a bit more flexible wouldn't be considered unreasonable.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Hi there Folks!

Wonder what this topic has to do with technology and accessibility? To my knowledge they do not make a gun with any sort of blindness technology-or do they..? I really do wish we could get this list back on topic and leave the gun talk to the chat list.  Personally I am 60 years old and have never owned a gun-and probably never will.  If I were to own a gun it would be somethihng like a shotgun so that if I actually had to shoot at someone in self defense, I might have a chance of hitting them.  We really don't need a bunch of Barney Fifes shooting themselves in the foot<SMILE!>.          I know there are folks out there who use guns responsibly and that is most of them.

  But I wonder just how many gun owners are blind or legally blind? Anyone no any stats on that?  Have A Good 1! de
<KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>.
On 02-Jul-16 12:32, James Bentley wrote:
What's insane is that the general public can purchase a version of this sniper rifle that hits a very small target at over half a mile.

Yikes,  I think I will just stay in the house with the blinds drrawn.



-----Original Message----- From: Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 11:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Wow! that is freakin insane!

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

The United States military has a computerized rifle and scope combination.
It first takes a photo of the entire target area.  Next, the shooter uses a
cursor on a touch screen to tell the computer where to put the bullet.
Next, the shooter aims at the target.  The computer fires the rifle only
when it sees that the rifle is aimed with pin point accuracy.  3 inch
Targets can be hit accurately at distances over two miles.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Finally, a relevant informative post. Thank you for contributing to my small
pool of knowledge. :)

And while on the subject matter, I'm thinking an audio beep of some sort
might be able to alert the blind shooter than the object of interest is
within the cross hairs of scope. Key will be determining what is target
object and what is some sort of artifact.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joe
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

There is now what some are calling a smart rifle, out of Texas. At $25,000,
it's beyond the reach of most enthusiasts, but it can fetch that price for
the level of precision it can automatically adjust to help the shooter
acquire a target. If technology has leaped that far, one can almost wonder
what credit, if any, the shooter gets, but my question is this: What
technology have the hunters among us used to rely a little less on sighted
assistance? I go deer hunting, but thus far I have leaned heavily on
discrete cues from sighted companions to know where and when to fire. It's
not a bad method. I've brought down three bucks in this fashion, and while
hunting can often be enjoyed with companions, it would be nice to
independently, but responsibly, engage and execute the target myself. Right
now I use a laser to help my sighted companions get a better sense of where
I am aiming. This allows me to hold and operate the rifle on my own, but
again, it feels inefficient. Any tips would be welcomed.

I'll note that while I am a member of a local shooting range, I have
hesitated to obtain a gun permit. I understand my shooting would be optimal
at very close range, but the risk of hitting someone innocent, however
small, still weighs on my conscience.

I realize for some the discussion of guns and hunting could be abhorrent. If
so, feel free to email me off list. For whatever it's worth, I eat what I
kill. I've never gone hunting for the mere sport. I've learned how to skin
my own kill, and I suppose one could argue the knife skill in doing so could
itself be viewed as a form of technology skill.

Not to stray too far off topic here, but any number of disasters could occur
in our lifetime and in our own backyard. In a scenario with no power and
extensive food shortage, that Windows machine isn't going to be worth a
whole lot except for maybe scrap metal. Our definition of "technology" just
might revert to what technology used to be. That is, the means to survive.

Best,

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe





















Re: How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Carlos,
 
I logged in & didn't find any radio buttons.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Yes I forgot about the need to log in when I created the poll.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

Well I think if you did not have to log in it would have been different! Most of us don’t know our password or never had one! Sorry !

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

Sigh I give up.  LOL everyone can just post their vote in a reply if it is more convenient.

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:17 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

It takes me to the Tech Talk group main page, no options to vote.

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

Interesting.  There should be several radio buttons which are the choices and a

"Vote"

link.

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:00 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

I clicked on vote now but did not see any option to vote.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:49 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

LOL click on the

link and choose an option to make it official.  This way everyone can also view the results of the poll.

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:45 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

I never use narrator.

----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos

Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 9:39 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] How frequently do you use the Windows Narrator screen reader? #poll

 

A new poll has been created:

Just for fun and because we rarely use this feature.

 

1. I only use Narrator for emergencies
2. I never use Narrator
3. I use Narrator regularly

Vote Now


Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Carlos
 


The point is that users have already been providing feedback for over a year now.  I am not enthusiastic about nor do I consider a list of Narrator features which most people will infrequently use to be progress.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

It isn't going to get better over night, but at least they're doing something. I say lets keed providing microsoft with our feedback. Who knows? The issues could be adressed in the next build. RJ


On 7/2/2016 1:55 PM, Gene wrote:
You seem to have thee attitude that the users have enormous influence over Microsoft by ssimply providing feedback.  And you keep insisting on this in message after message.  If that is true, then why is Windows 10 still not properly accessible almost a year after it has come out.  It isn't as though there hasn't been a torrent of criticism from the blind community. 
 
I don't care about if Narrator is worked on now.  Windows 10 should be brought up to proper acccessibility standards.  Narrator is of marginal importance.  If a company upgrades to Windows 10 and the result is problems that may range from annoyances to serious job threatening problems for blind employees, why worry about Narrator? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

We could help make narrator a full screen reader if we really wanted it
bad enough. RJ


On 7/2/2016 1:19 PM, Marie wrote:
> I find Narrator useful on occasion, but it is far from being a full
> screen reader and I would hate it if they made it like the Apple
> devices where it is your only choice.
> Marie
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Carlos
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:33 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
> If they are going somewhere with Narrator, then they should simply
> release a
> major upgrade when it is ready to be used as a full-blown screen
> reader.  At
> this point it is wasted effort to introduce these minor changes since
> it is
> still not functional enough to be used by most on a daily basis.
> Gradually
> introducing features that most people probably won't use because there
> is a
> better free alternative seems like effort that could be more productively
> invested somewhere else for now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>
> Yeah, but they might be going somewhere with it which we don't know about
> just yet. Some of the features discussed in the article seem as though
> they
> may have been influenced by general screen reader tech.
>
> They might first want to start with the Windows OS then ultimately
> create a
> VoiceOver competitor for future Windows devices.
>
> With technology advancing as it does, why not accept the help from one of
> the biggest computer software developers in the world? Furthermore, this
> development might yield discoveries which will help with other related
> disabilities experienced by an aging population.
>
> JR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of
> Carlos
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:03 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
> And honestly, the focus on Narrator seems like wasted time and somewhat
> excessive in my opinion.  How many people really use Narrator on a daily
> basis?  The fact is that most users only run Narrator in an emergency
> or to
> finish setting up Windows.  It is useful and convenient to have, but for
> most it does not provide enough functionality to be used as a primary
> screen
> reader.  These days those who cannot afford one of the expensive screen
> readers will most likely use NVDA.  And Narrator has a long way to go
> before
> it can compete with NVDA.  That being the case, I believe their time and
> effort would be better spent on improving accessibility in other
> areas.  If
> NVDA did not exist, then the efforts to improve Narrator might seem more
> significant, but again in my opinion at this time, it just seems like
> wasted
> effort.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
> I have defended Microsoft for years when I thought they deserved it. 
> I will
> not defend them in their accessibility implementation of accessibility in
> Windows 10.  My thoughts on the blog entry are below.
>
> Almost a year after Windows 10 has been released and Microsoft is still
> dealing with some of the kinds of things discussed in its blog? Being
> passionate about accessibility means not waiting a year and still having
> significant accessibility problems.  Being passionate about accessibility
> means having reasonable accessibility at the time of initial release.
>
> And please stop patronizing those who provide feedback.  It isn't
> incredible.  It's useful and good feedback but incredible?  You aren't
> accomplishing anything by heaping excessive praise on those who provide
> feedback but patronizing them.  We don't want to be called incredible nor
> our feedback.  We want implementation and at a much faster and better
> rate.
> And does some of this feedback really have to be given in order for
> you to
> know about it?  Since the nineties, Windows screen-readers have routinely
> offered speech that can go faster than 430 words per minute.  If your
> accessibility team really needs user feedback to be aware of the need for
> fast speech, then what else is the team unaware of that should be common
> knowledge to anyone working in the field of accessibility?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Christopher Hallsworth <mailto:challsworth2@...>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:06 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>
>> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/
>>
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/>
>>
>>
>> Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update
>>
>> With more than one billion people with disabilities in the world,
>> Microsoft is passionate about accessibility and ensuring our products
>> work
>> for all our customers. Today we are excited to share additional details
>> about the Windows 10 Anniversary Update which represents a significant
>> step forward in our effort to make Microsoft products accessible. We
>> encourage anyone already running Windows 10 to upgrade when the update
>> becomes available. We also recognize that we must continue to invest in
>> accessibility and are committed to the continued improvement of built-in
>> features like Narrator and Magnifier as well as the accessibility of
>> experiences and apps like Cortana, Mail and setup. If you are a user of
>> Assistive Technology and are still using Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 and
>> want
>> to wait to upgrade, don’t forget that you will still have the
>> opportunity
>> to upgrade at no cost even after the Windows 10 free upgrade period
>> ends.
>> We will have a page available on July 29 for people using AT to take
>> advantage of the free upgrade offer.
>>
>> We have already shared many of these details with our Windows Insider
>> program over the last several months, so this blog post will recap those
>> areas and share a few new things. Customer feedback through the Windows
>> Insider program and from our users with disabilities has been
>> essential to
>> helping us focus our work in several key areas. These include improving
>> the screen reading experience with Narrator, the accessibility of
>> experiences and apps like Microsoft Edge, Mail and the Start menu, as
>> well
>> as better tools and resources for developers to build more accessible
>> apps
>> and experiences.
>>
>> Improved Screen Reading with Narrator
>>
>> As we’ve stated in a series of recent blog posts, a lot of changes with
>> Narrator that you will see as a part of the Windows 10 Anniversary
>> Update
>> were directly influenced by your incredible feedback. Those changes
>> include:
>>
>> Faster text to speech voices
>>
>> We’ve added new voices to Narrator that offer a much faster top rate of
>> speech. Our current voices average a maximum of roughly 400 words per
>> minute. The new voices average nearly twice that at approximately 800
>> words per minute.
>>
>> New languages in Narrator
>>
>> We continue to add new international languages for Narrator, including
>> Arabic and several Nordic languages. The following new languages will be
>> available either with the corresponding international version of Windows
>> or will be available for download.
>>
>> Spanish (Mexico) French (Canada) Portuguese (Brazil)
>> Arabic (Egypt) Catalan (Spain) Danish (Denmark)
>> Finnish (Finland) Norwegian (Norway) Dutch (Belgium)
>> Dutch (Netherlands) Portuguese (Portugal) Swedish (Sweden)
>> Turkish (Turkey)
>> More familiar keyboard navigation
>>
>> Keyboard commands in Narrator are now more familiar to users of other
>> screen readers. Some keyboard interactions have been simplified to
>> ensure
>> better ergonomics, making them easier to type.
>>
>> Introducing scan mode
>>
>> We’ve introduced a new navigation mode to Narrator called Scan mode.
>> Scan
>> Mode is turned on with a press of CAPS LOCK and SPACE. While you are in
>> Scan mode you can press SPACE to activate an item of interest, such as
>> following a link on a web page or pressing a button in an app.
>>
>> Six levels of verbosity
>>
>> Narrator now supports six levels of verbosity for giving you more
>> details
>> about the characteristics of text. You can cycle through these modes by
>> pressing CAPS LOCK + CTRL + (PLUS). For example, at what we call Verbose
>> mode 0 (zero), you will hear just the text. At verbose mode 1, you might
>> hear if the text is a heading. At other verbose levels, you will get
>> varying indications of other text properties, like text color or
>> formatting.
>>
>> Punctuation Modes
>>
>> Narrator now gives you more control over how much punctuation you hear
>> when reading text. CAPS LOCK+ALT+(PLUS) and CAPS LOCK+ALT+(MINUS) cycle
>> through the settings for punctuation. The settings for punctuation
>> include
>> none, some, most, all and math along with default.
>>
>> Now announcing AutoSuggest results
>>
>> Many applications in Windows 10 offer automatic suggestions as you enter
>> information. For example, when you start entering a search term in an
>> application search box you may get suggestions based on what you are
>> entering. With Narrator you will now get a verbal hint with an audio
>> indication when these suggestions are available.
>>
>> Feedback made easy
>>
>> Pressing CAPS LOCK + E + E when running Narrator is an easy way to
>> send us
>> feedback. This shortcut will bring up a feedback form where you can
>> submit
>> comments and suggestions about your experience with Narrator.
>>
>> User guides and documentation
>>
>> Our documentation team has been working hard to update the resources
>> available to those who are learning how to use Narrator. We are looking
>> forward to providing improved and more complete documentation like an
>> updated Narrator user guide that will be available online when the
>> Anniversary Update is released.
>>
>> Working to make apps and experiences more accessible
>>
>> Along with many of these accessibility updates to Windows 10, most of
>> our
>> app teams have also been making regular updates. Below are a few of the
>> notable highlights.
>>
>> More accessible browsing and reading with Microsoft Edge
>>
>> In a series of blog posts, the Microsoft Edge team has been providing
>> detailed updates on their accessibility progress. For example, the team
>> has already shared how work to support modern web accessibility
>> standards
>> is helping developers more easily build accessible sites. And with the
>> introduction of Microsoft Edge’s new accessibility architecture, we are
>> working to make Edge a more inclusive and reliable experience for
>> everyone. The team has also been working closely with the most popular
>> third-party assistive technology vendors to guide them through the
>> transition to this new platform.
>>
>> In addition to the work the team has already shared, we are also excited
>> for you to try the improvements to the end user accessibility experience
>> of the Microsoft Edge app and PDF reader. These include broad support
>> for
>> tagged PDF files, and a wide range of improvements to common daily
>> browsing features such as address bar, tabs, windows, and favorites.
>>
>> Mail
>>
>> Since the initial release of Windows 10 last summer, there have been
>> many
>> improvements to the accessibility of the Mail app. The Mail team
>> described
>> many of these updates in a blog last February and has since that time
>> continued to make progress on things like improving the account setup
>> experience when using a screen reader.
>>
>> Cortana
>>
>> You can more reliably operate search and Cortana with the keyboard,
>> including things like navigating using arrow keys and tab order.
>> There are
>> also Improvements to high contrast that make the Cortana UI more legible
>> in all contrast modes. The team has also made a number of general fixes
>> that improve the experience with Cortana when using accessibility tools
>> such as Windows Speech Recognition, Narrator and other screen-readers.
>>
>> Groove
>>
>> The Groove team has delivered a number of key updates for low vision
>> users
>> like better support for high DPI scaling and better high contrast
>> support,
>> including better color combinations and the boxing of text when
>> appearing
>> on top of album art. In addition, the team has done work to make the
>> app a
>> better experience when using a screen reader by adding a number of new
>> shortcut keys as well as fixing a number of bugs when using Narrator.
>>
>> Making accessibility easier for developers
>>
>> In addition to the progress being made with our apps and built-in
>> accessibility features we have been making investments in the tools and
>> reference materials that developers rely on to create accessible
>> experiences within their apps and websites. Here are a few developer
>> resources we have already made available or will be a part of the
>> Windows
>> 10 anniversary Update.
>>
>> New Tools
>>
>> Developer tools are essential to making accessibility just work. The
>> Visual Studio App Analysis tool was updated to helping devs to find,
>> triage and fix accessibility errors like flagging controls that don’t
>> have
>> an accessible name. We also introduced a new developer mode in Narrator.
>> Narrator dev mode can be turned on when Narrator is already running by
>> pressing SHIFT + CAPS LOCK + F12. When dev mode is turned on the screen
>> will be masked and will highlight only the accessible objects and the
>> associated text that is exposed programmatically to Narrator.
>>
>> XAML Improvements
>>
>> The XAML team has improved the support for Mnemonics within Universal
>> Windows Apps (UWA’s) allowing for better Access Key customizations. For
>> example, the developer of a shopping app can now assign a custom Access
>> Key like P, that can be activated by pressing ALT then the letter P, in
>> order to activate the purchase button.
>>
>> Improved Documentation
>>
>> And finally the team has worked hard to improve the discoverability and
>> update the documentation we provide for developers. We recently
>> relaunched
>> the accessibility developer hub as well as general design guidelines and
>> sample code for accessibility.
>>
>> Most importantly, your feedback is imperative to getting accessibility
>> right. Keep letting us know what accessibility features are important to
>> you. If you are already running Windows 10, you can simply press CAPS
>> LOCK
>> + E (two times) to bring up a feedback form when using Narrator. Or, if
>> you are technically minded, you can help us by becoming a Windows
>> Insider
>> and giving us feedback on the latest updates to Windows as we are
>> building
>> them.
>>
>> Previous Blogs and Resources:
>>
>> Windows
>>
>> Further Details on the Coming Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/09/further-details-on-the-coming-improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>
>>
>> Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/11/improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>
>>
>> Making Windows 10 and Office 365 more accessible: Our path forward
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/24/making-windows-10-and-office-365-more-accessible-our-path-forward/>
>>
>> Accessibility Update for Windows 10 Mail
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/01/accessibility-update-for-windows-10-mail/>
>>
>> Accessibility and the Windows 10 Free Upgrade
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/06/accessibility-and-the-windows-10-free-upgrade/>
>>
>> Microsoft Edge
>>
>> Ensuring high-quality browser accessibility with automation
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/26/new-edge-blog-ensuring-high-quality-browser-accessibility-with-automation/>
>>
>> Building a more accessible user experience with HTML5 and UIA
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/13/new-edge-blog-building-a-more-accessible-user-experience-with-html5-and-uia/>
>>
>> Building a More Accessible Web Platform
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/21/building-a-more-accessible-web-platform/>
>>
>> Developers
>>
>> Accessibility Design guidelines
>> <https://msdn.microsoft.com/windows/uwp/accessibility/accessibility-overview>
>>
>> Accessibility Developer Hub
>> <https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/accessible-apps>
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Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

RJ Sandefur <manbatsandefur@...>
 

No it wouldn't. RJ

On 7/2/2016 1:53 PM, Carlos wrote:
Whether Narrator becomes a full-blown screen reader some day, it has a
long
way to go. And in my opinion, making Narrator a full-blown screen reader
would only stifle development for the competition. It is good to have
options and Macs are a good example of what happens when a full-blown
screen
reader is built-in to the operating system.
----- Original Message -----
From: "RJ Sandefur" <manbatsandefur@outlook.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I am not usually one to use this type of strong language, but really?
How do you think NVDA and Jaws got to where they are? Feedback! Let's
all give narrator a chance. Microsoft alone won't make the screenreader,
but together, the end users,(Us the blind community) will make Narrator
a screenreader which could even beat out voice over if we really wanted
it bad enough. RJ


On 7/2/2016 1:19 PM, Marie wrote:
I find Narrator useful on occasion, but it is far from being a full
screen reader and I would hate it if they made it like the Apple
devices where it is your only choice.
Marie


-----Original Message----- From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

If they are going somewhere with Narrator, then they should simply
release a
major upgrade when it is ready to be used as a full-blown screen
reader. At
this point it is wasted effort to introduce these minor changes since
it is
still not functional enough to be used by most on a daily basis.
Gradually
introducing features that most people probably won't use because there
is a
better free alternative seems like effort that could be more
productively
invested somewhere else for now.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Yeah, but they might be going somewhere with it which we don't know
about
just yet. Some of the features discussed in the article seem as though
they
may have been influenced by general screen reader tech.

They might first want to start with the Windows OS then ultimately
create a
VoiceOver competitor for future Windows devices.

With technology advancing as it does, why not accept the help from
one of
the biggest computer software developers in the world? Furthermore,
this
development might yield discoveries which will help with other related
disabilities experienced by an aging population.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

And honestly, the focus on Narrator seems like wasted time and somewhat
excessive in my opinion. How many people really use Narrator on a
daily
basis? The fact is that most users only run Narrator in an emergency
or to
finish setting up Windows. It is useful and convenient to have, but
for
most it does not provide enough functionality to be used as a primary
screen
reader. These days those who cannot afford one of the expensive screen
readers will most likely use NVDA. And Narrator has a long way to go
before
it can compete with NVDA. That being the case, I believe their time
and
effort would be better spent on improving accessibility in other
areas. If
NVDA did not exist, then the efforts to improve Narrator might seem
more
significant, but again in my opinion at this time, it just seems like
wasted
effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

I have defended Microsoft for years when I thought they deserved it.
I will
not defend them in their accessibility implementation of
accessibility in
Windows 10. My thoughts on the blog entry are below.

Almost a year after Windows 10 has been released and Microsoft is still
dealing with some of the kinds of things discussed in its blog? Being
passionate about accessibility means not waiting a year and still
having
significant accessibility problems. Being passionate about
accessibility
means having reasonable accessibility at the time of initial release.

And please stop patronizing those who provide feedback. It isn't
incredible. It's useful and good feedback but incredible? You aren't
accomplishing anything by heaping excessive praise on those who provide
feedback but patronizing them. We don't want to be called
incredible nor
our feedback. We want implementation and at a much faster and better
rate.
And does some of this feedback really have to be given in order for
you to
know about it? Since the nineties, Windows screen-readers have
routinely
offered speech that can go faster than 430 words per minute. If your
accessibility team really needs user feedback to be aware of the
need for
fast speech, then what else is the team unaware of that should be
common
knowledge to anyone working in the field of accessibility?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher Hallsworth <mailto:challsworth2@icloud.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/


<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/>



Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary
Update

With more than one billion people with disabilities in the world,
Microsoft is passionate about accessibility and ensuring our products
work
for all our customers. Today we are excited to share additional
details
about the Windows 10 Anniversary Update which represents a significant
step forward in our effort to make Microsoft products accessible. We
encourage anyone already running Windows 10 to upgrade when the update
becomes available. We also recognize that we must continue to
invest in
accessibility and are committed to the continued improvement of
built-in
features like Narrator and Magnifier as well as the accessibility of
experiences and apps like Cortana, Mail and setup. If you are a
user of
Assistive Technology and are still using Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 and
want
to wait to upgrade, don’t forget that you will still have the
opportunity
to upgrade at no cost even after the Windows 10 free upgrade period
ends.
We will have a page available on July 29 for people using AT to take
advantage of the free upgrade offer.

We have already shared many of these details with our Windows Insider
program over the last several months, so this blog post will recap
those
areas and share a few new things. Customer feedback through the
Windows
Insider program and from our users with disabilities has been
essential to
helping us focus our work in several key areas. These include
improving
the screen reading experience with Narrator, the accessibility of
experiences and apps like Microsoft Edge, Mail and the Start menu, as
well
as better tools and resources for developers to build more accessible
apps
and experiences.

Improved Screen Reading with Narrator

As we’ve stated in a series of recent blog posts, a lot of changes
with
Narrator that you will see as a part of the Windows 10 Anniversary
Update
were directly influenced by your incredible feedback. Those changes
include:

Faster text to speech voices

We’ve added new voices to Narrator that offer a much faster top
rate of
speech. Our current voices average a maximum of roughly 400 words per
minute. The new voices average nearly twice that at approximately 800
words per minute.

New languages in Narrator

We continue to add new international languages for Narrator, including
Arabic and several Nordic languages. The following new languages
will be
available either with the corresponding international version of
Windows
or will be available for download.

Spanish (Mexico) French (Canada) Portuguese (Brazil)
Arabic (Egypt) Catalan (Spain) Danish (Denmark)
Finnish (Finland) Norwegian (Norway) Dutch (Belgium)
Dutch (Netherlands) Portuguese (Portugal) Swedish (Sweden)
Turkish (Turkey)
More familiar keyboard navigation

Keyboard commands in Narrator are now more familiar to users of other
screen readers. Some keyboard interactions have been simplified to
ensure
better ergonomics, making them easier to type.

Introducing scan mode

We’ve introduced a new navigation mode to Narrator called Scan mode.
Scan
Mode is turned on with a press of CAPS LOCK and SPACE. While you
are in
Scan mode you can press SPACE to activate an item of interest, such as
following a link on a web page or pressing a button in an app.

Six levels of verbosity

Narrator now supports six levels of verbosity for giving you more
details
about the characteristics of text. You can cycle through these
modes by
pressing CAPS LOCK + CTRL + (PLUS). For example, at what we call
Verbose
mode 0 (zero), you will hear just the text. At verbose mode 1, you
might
hear if the text is a heading. At other verbose levels, you will get
varying indications of other text properties, like text color or
formatting.

Punctuation Modes

Narrator now gives you more control over how much punctuation you hear
when reading text. CAPS LOCK+ALT+(PLUS) and CAPS LOCK+ALT+(MINUS)
cycle
through the settings for punctuation. The settings for punctuation
include
none, some, most, all and math along with default.

Now announcing AutoSuggest results

Many applications in Windows 10 offer automatic suggestions as you
enter
information. For example, when you start entering a search term in an
application search box you may get suggestions based on what you are
entering. With Narrator you will now get a verbal hint with an audio
indication when these suggestions are available.

Feedback made easy

Pressing CAPS LOCK + E + E when running Narrator is an easy way to
send us
feedback. This shortcut will bring up a feedback form where you can
submit
comments and suggestions about your experience with Narrator.

User guides and documentation

Our documentation team has been working hard to update the resources
available to those who are learning how to use Narrator. We are
looking
forward to providing improved and more complete documentation like an
updated Narrator user guide that will be available online when the
Anniversary Update is released.

Working to make apps and experiences more accessible

Along with many of these accessibility updates to Windows 10, most of
our
app teams have also been making regular updates. Below are a few of
the
notable highlights.

More accessible browsing and reading with Microsoft Edge

In a series of blog posts, the Microsoft Edge team has been providing
detailed updates on their accessibility progress. For example, the
team
has already shared how work to support modern web accessibility
standards
is helping developers more easily build accessible sites. And with the
introduction of Microsoft Edge’s new accessibility architecture, we
are
working to make Edge a more inclusive and reliable experience for
everyone. The team has also been working closely with the most popular
third-party assistive technology vendors to guide them through the
transition to this new platform.

In addition to the work the team has already shared, we are also
excited
for you to try the improvements to the end user accessibility
experience
of the Microsoft Edge app and PDF reader. These include broad support
for
tagged PDF files, and a wide range of improvements to common daily
browsing features such as address bar, tabs, windows, and favorites.

Mail

Since the initial release of Windows 10 last summer, there have been
many
improvements to the accessibility of the Mail app. The Mail team
described
many of these updates in a blog last February and has since that time
continued to make progress on things like improving the account setup
experience when using a screen reader.

Cortana

You can more reliably operate search and Cortana with the keyboard,
including things like navigating using arrow keys and tab order.
There are
also Improvements to high contrast that make the Cortana UI more
legible
in all contrast modes. The team has also made a number of general
fixes
that improve the experience with Cortana when using accessibility
tools
such as Windows Speech Recognition, Narrator and other screen-readers.

Groove

The Groove team has delivered a number of key updates for low vision
users
like better support for high DPI scaling and better high contrast
support,
including better color combinations and the boxing of text when
appearing
on top of album art. In addition, the team has done work to make the
app a
better experience when using a screen reader by adding a number of new
shortcut keys as well as fixing a number of bugs when using Narrator.

Making accessibility easier for developers

In addition to the progress being made with our apps and built-in
accessibility features we have been making investments in the tools
and
reference materials that developers rely on to create accessible
experiences within their apps and websites. Here are a few developer
resources we have already made available or will be a part of the
Windows
10 anniversary Update.

New Tools

Developer tools are essential to making accessibility just work. The
Visual Studio App Analysis tool was updated to helping devs to find,
triage and fix accessibility errors like flagging controls that don’t
have
an accessible name. We also introduced a new developer mode in
Narrator.
Narrator dev mode can be turned on when Narrator is already running by
pressing SHIFT + CAPS LOCK + F12. When dev mode is turned on the
screen
will be masked and will highlight only the accessible objects and the
associated text that is exposed programmatically to Narrator.

XAML Improvements

The XAML team has improved the support for Mnemonics within Universal
Windows Apps (UWA’s) allowing for better Access Key customizations.
For
example, the developer of a shopping app can now assign a custom
Access
Key like P, that can be activated by pressing ALT then the letter
P, in
order to activate the purchase button.

Improved Documentation

And finally the team has worked hard to improve the discoverability
and
update the documentation we provide for developers. We recently
relaunched
the accessibility developer hub as well as general design
guidelines and
sample code for accessibility.

Most importantly, your feedback is imperative to getting accessibility
right. Keep letting us know what accessibility features are
important to
you. If you are already running Windows 10, you can simply press CAPS
LOCK
+ E (two times) to bring up a feedback form when using Narrator.
Or, if
you are technically minded, you can help us by becoming a Windows
Insider
and giving us feedback on the latest updates to Windows as we are
building
them.

Previous Blogs and Resources:

Windows

Further Details on the Coming Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/09/further-details-on-the-coming-improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>


Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/11/improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>


Making Windows 10 and Office 365 more accessible: Our path forward
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/24/making-windows-10-and-office-365-more-accessible-our-path-forward/>


Accessibility Update for Windows 10 Mail
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/01/accessibility-update-for-windows-10-mail/>


Accessibility and the Windows 10 Free Upgrade
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/06/accessibility-and-the-windows-10-free-upgrade/>


Microsoft Edge

Ensuring high-quality browser accessibility with automation
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/26/new-edge-blog-ensuring-high-quality-browser-accessibility-with-automation/>


Building a more accessible user experience with HTML5 and UIA
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/13/new-edge-blog-building-a-more-accessible-user-experience-with-html5-and-uia/>


Building a More Accessible Web Platform
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/21/building-a-more-accessible-web-platform/>


Developers

Accessibility Design guidelines
<https://msdn.microsoft.com/windows/uwp/accessibility/accessibility-overview>


Accessibility Developer Hub
<https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/accessible-apps>




















Re: new lenovo

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Within the last 1.5 months I've setup about 3 Lenovo computers, and without the use of Narrator I would not have been able to do so without sighted help.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] new lenovo

I got the Lenovo Idea Pad 100 2 days ago. I had a sighted friend help me set it up for the first time. HA HA HA!!! Maybe I could have used narrator!!! Anyway it is a win 10 machine. I would not describe the case as rugged, maybe tough. The good part is that it has a numeric keypad. It will not be my main machine, just to take here and there. Yes I am aware of the privacy issues with this o s. I installed Firefox as I figured it would be better than hanging on to THE EDGE!!! Yes, latest version of n v d a..

Later,

Monte

P s Sometimes I see messages on these groups about some aspects of computers not being accessible; e.g. setting up a laptop for the first time.
In this I do not mind getting some sighted help for a few minutes. Most anybody with a drivers licence can chang the oil in their car, but how many do or even want to??


Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

RJ Sandefur <manbatsandefur@...>
 

It isn't going to get better over night, but at least they're doing something. I say lets keed providing microsoft with our feedback. Who knows? The issues could be adressed in the next build. RJ


On 7/2/2016 1:55 PM, Gene wrote:
You seem to have thee attitude that the users have enormous influence over Microsoft by ssimply providing feedback.  And you keep insisting on this in message after message.  If that is true, then why is Windows 10 still not properly accessible almost a year after it has come out.  It isn't as though there hasn't been a torrent of criticism from the blind community. 
 
I don't care about if Narrator is worked on now.  Windows 10 should be brought up to proper acccessibility standards.  Narrator is of marginal importance.  If a company upgrades to Windows 10 and the result is problems that may range from annoyances to serious job threatening problems for blind employees, why worry about Narrator? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

We could help make narrator a full screen reader if we really wanted it
bad enough. RJ


On 7/2/2016 1:19 PM, Marie wrote:
> I find Narrator useful on occasion, but it is far from being a full
> screen reader and I would hate it if they made it like the Apple
> devices where it is your only choice.
> Marie
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Carlos
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:33 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
> If they are going somewhere with Narrator, then they should simply
> release a
> major upgrade when it is ready to be used as a full-blown screen
> reader.  At
> this point it is wasted effort to introduce these minor changes since
> it is
> still not functional enough to be used by most on a daily basis.
> Gradually
> introducing features that most people probably won't use because there
> is a
> better free alternative seems like effort that could be more productively
> invested somewhere else for now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>
> Yeah, but they might be going somewhere with it which we don't know about
> just yet. Some of the features discussed in the article seem as though
> they
> may have been influenced by general screen reader tech.
>
> They might first want to start with the Windows OS then ultimately
> create a
> VoiceOver competitor for future Windows devices.
>
> With technology advancing as it does, why not accept the help from one of
> the biggest computer software developers in the world? Furthermore, this
> development might yield discoveries which will help with other related
> disabilities experienced by an aging population.
>
> JR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of
> Carlos
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:03 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
> And honestly, the focus on Narrator seems like wasted time and somewhat
> excessive in my opinion.  How many people really use Narrator on a daily
> basis?  The fact is that most users only run Narrator in an emergency
> or to
> finish setting up Windows.  It is useful and convenient to have, but for
> most it does not provide enough functionality to be used as a primary
> screen
> reader.  These days those who cannot afford one of the expensive screen
> readers will most likely use NVDA.  And Narrator has a long way to go
> before
> it can compete with NVDA.  That being the case, I believe their time and
> effort would be better spent on improving accessibility in other
> areas.  If
> NVDA did not exist, then the efforts to improve Narrator might seem more
> significant, but again in my opinion at this time, it just seems like
> wasted
> effort.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
> I have defended Microsoft for years when I thought they deserved it. 
> I will
> not defend them in their accessibility implementation of accessibility in
> Windows 10.  My thoughts on the blog entry are below.
>
> Almost a year after Windows 10 has been released and Microsoft is still
> dealing with some of the kinds of things discussed in its blog? Being
> passionate about accessibility means not waiting a year and still having
> significant accessibility problems.  Being passionate about accessibility
> means having reasonable accessibility at the time of initial release.
>
> And please stop patronizing those who provide feedback.  It isn't
> incredible.  It's useful and good feedback but incredible?  You aren't
> accomplishing anything by heaping excessive praise on those who provide
> feedback but patronizing them.  We don't want to be called incredible nor
> our feedback.  We want implementation and at a much faster and better
> rate.
> And does some of this feedback really have to be given in order for
> you to
> know about it?  Since the nineties, Windows screen-readers have routinely
> offered speech that can go faster than 430 words per minute.  If your
> accessibility team really needs user feedback to be aware of the need for
> fast speech, then what else is the team unaware of that should be common
> knowledge to anyone working in the field of accessibility?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Christopher Hallsworth <mailto:challsworth2@...>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:06 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>
>> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/
>>
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/>
>>
>>
>> Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update
>>
>> With more than one billion people with disabilities in the world,
>> Microsoft is passionate about accessibility and ensuring our products
>> work
>> for all our customers. Today we are excited to share additional details
>> about the Windows 10 Anniversary Update which represents a significant
>> step forward in our effort to make Microsoft products accessible. We
>> encourage anyone already running Windows 10 to upgrade when the update
>> becomes available. We also recognize that we must continue to invest in
>> accessibility and are committed to the continued improvement of built-in
>> features like Narrator and Magnifier as well as the accessibility of
>> experiences and apps like Cortana, Mail and setup. If you are a user of
>> Assistive Technology and are still using Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 and
>> want
>> to wait to upgrade, don’t forget that you will still have the
>> opportunity
>> to upgrade at no cost even after the Windows 10 free upgrade period
>> ends.
>> We will have a page available on July 29 for people using AT to take
>> advantage of the free upgrade offer.
>>
>> We have already shared many of these details with our Windows Insider
>> program over the last several months, so this blog post will recap those
>> areas and share a few new things. Customer feedback through the Windows
>> Insider program and from our users with disabilities has been
>> essential to
>> helping us focus our work in several key areas. These include improving
>> the screen reading experience with Narrator, the accessibility of
>> experiences and apps like Microsoft Edge, Mail and the Start menu, as
>> well
>> as better tools and resources for developers to build more accessible
>> apps
>> and experiences.
>>
>> Improved Screen Reading with Narrator
>>
>> As we’ve stated in a series of recent blog posts, a lot of changes with
>> Narrator that you will see as a part of the Windows 10 Anniversary
>> Update
>> were directly influenced by your incredible feedback. Those changes
>> include:
>>
>> Faster text to speech voices
>>
>> We’ve added new voices to Narrator that offer a much faster top rate of
>> speech. Our current voices average a maximum of roughly 400 words per
>> minute. The new voices average nearly twice that at approximately 800
>> words per minute.
>>
>> New languages in Narrator
>>
>> We continue to add new international languages for Narrator, including
>> Arabic and several Nordic languages. The following new languages will be
>> available either with the corresponding international version of Windows
>> or will be available for download.
>>
>> Spanish (Mexico) French (Canada) Portuguese (Brazil)
>> Arabic (Egypt) Catalan (Spain) Danish (Denmark)
>> Finnish (Finland) Norwegian (Norway) Dutch (Belgium)
>> Dutch (Netherlands) Portuguese (Portugal) Swedish (Sweden)
>> Turkish (Turkey)
>> More familiar keyboard navigation
>>
>> Keyboard commands in Narrator are now more familiar to users of other
>> screen readers. Some keyboard interactions have been simplified to
>> ensure
>> better ergonomics, making them easier to type.
>>
>> Introducing scan mode
>>
>> We’ve introduced a new navigation mode to Narrator called Scan mode.
>> Scan
>> Mode is turned on with a press of CAPS LOCK and SPACE. While you are in
>> Scan mode you can press SPACE to activate an item of interest, such as
>> following a link on a web page or pressing a button in an app.
>>
>> Six levels of verbosity
>>
>> Narrator now supports six levels of verbosity for giving you more
>> details
>> about the characteristics of text. You can cycle through these modes by
>> pressing CAPS LOCK + CTRL + (PLUS). For example, at what we call Verbose
>> mode 0 (zero), you will hear just the text. At verbose mode 1, you might
>> hear if the text is a heading. At other verbose levels, you will get
>> varying indications of other text properties, like text color or
>> formatting.
>>
>> Punctuation Modes
>>
>> Narrator now gives you more control over how much punctuation you hear
>> when reading text. CAPS LOCK+ALT+(PLUS) and CAPS LOCK+ALT+(MINUS) cycle
>> through the settings for punctuation. The settings for punctuation
>> include
>> none, some, most, all and math along with default.
>>
>> Now announcing AutoSuggest results
>>
>> Many applications in Windows 10 offer automatic suggestions as you enter
>> information. For example, when you start entering a search term in an
>> application search box you may get suggestions based on what you are
>> entering. With Narrator you will now get a verbal hint with an audio
>> indication when these suggestions are available.
>>
>> Feedback made easy
>>
>> Pressing CAPS LOCK + E + E when running Narrator is an easy way to
>> send us
>> feedback. This shortcut will bring up a feedback form where you can
>> submit
>> comments and suggestions about your experience with Narrator.
>>
>> User guides and documentation
>>
>> Our documentation team has been working hard to update the resources
>> available to those who are learning how to use Narrator. We are looking
>> forward to providing improved and more complete documentation like an
>> updated Narrator user guide that will be available online when the
>> Anniversary Update is released.
>>
>> Working to make apps and experiences more accessible
>>
>> Along with many of these accessibility updates to Windows 10, most of
>> our
>> app teams have also been making regular updates. Below are a few of the
>> notable highlights.
>>
>> More accessible browsing and reading with Microsoft Edge
>>
>> In a series of blog posts, the Microsoft Edge team has been providing
>> detailed updates on their accessibility progress. For example, the team
>> has already shared how work to support modern web accessibility
>> standards
>> is helping developers more easily build accessible sites. And with the
>> introduction of Microsoft Edge’s new accessibility architecture, we are
>> working to make Edge a more inclusive and reliable experience for
>> everyone. The team has also been working closely with the most popular
>> third-party assistive technology vendors to guide them through the
>> transition to this new platform.
>>
>> In addition to the work the team has already shared, we are also excited
>> for you to try the improvements to the end user accessibility experience
>> of the Microsoft Edge app and PDF reader. These include broad support
>> for
>> tagged PDF files, and a wide range of improvements to common daily
>> browsing features such as address bar, tabs, windows, and favorites.
>>
>> Mail
>>
>> Since the initial release of Windows 10 last summer, there have been
>> many
>> improvements to the accessibility of the Mail app. The Mail team
>> described
>> many of these updates in a blog last February and has since that time
>> continued to make progress on things like improving the account setup
>> experience when using a screen reader.
>>
>> Cortana
>>
>> You can more reliably operate search and Cortana with the keyboard,
>> including things like navigating using arrow keys and tab order.
>> There are
>> also Improvements to high contrast that make the Cortana UI more legible
>> in all contrast modes. The team has also made a number of general fixes
>> that improve the experience with Cortana when using accessibility tools
>> such as Windows Speech Recognition, Narrator and other screen-readers.
>>
>> Groove
>>
>> The Groove team has delivered a number of key updates for low vision
>> users
>> like better support for high DPI scaling and better high contrast
>> support,
>> including better color combinations and the boxing of text when
>> appearing
>> on top of album art. In addition, the team has done work to make the
>> app a
>> better experience when using a screen reader by adding a number of new
>> shortcut keys as well as fixing a number of bugs when using Narrator.
>>
>> Making accessibility easier for developers
>>
>> In addition to the progress being made with our apps and built-in
>> accessibility features we have been making investments in the tools and
>> reference materials that developers rely on to create accessible
>> experiences within their apps and websites. Here are a few developer
>> resources we have already made available or will be a part of the
>> Windows
>> 10 anniversary Update.
>>
>> New Tools
>>
>> Developer tools are essential to making accessibility just work. The
>> Visual Studio App Analysis tool was updated to helping devs to find,
>> triage and fix accessibility errors like flagging controls that don’t
>> have
>> an accessible name. We also introduced a new developer mode in Narrator.
>> Narrator dev mode can be turned on when Narrator is already running by
>> pressing SHIFT + CAPS LOCK + F12. When dev mode is turned on the screen
>> will be masked and will highlight only the accessible objects and the
>> associated text that is exposed programmatically to Narrator.
>>
>> XAML Improvements
>>
>> The XAML team has improved the support for Mnemonics within Universal
>> Windows Apps (UWA’s) allowing for better Access Key customizations. For
>> example, the developer of a shopping app can now assign a custom Access
>> Key like P, that can be activated by pressing ALT then the letter P, in
>> order to activate the purchase button.
>>
>> Improved Documentation
>>
>> And finally the team has worked hard to improve the discoverability and
>> update the documentation we provide for developers. We recently
>> relaunched
>> the accessibility developer hub as well as general design guidelines and
>> sample code for accessibility.
>>
>> Most importantly, your feedback is imperative to getting accessibility
>> right. Keep letting us know what accessibility features are important to
>> you. If you are already running Windows 10, you can simply press CAPS
>> LOCK
>> + E (two times) to bring up a feedback form when using Narrator. Or, if
>> you are technically minded, you can help us by becoming a Windows
>> Insider
>> and giving us feedback on the latest updates to Windows as we are
>> building
>> them.
>>
>> Previous Blogs and Resources:
>>
>> Windows
>>
>> Further Details on the Coming Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/09/further-details-on-the-coming-improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>
>>
>> Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/11/improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>
>>
>> Making Windows 10 and Office 365 more accessible: Our path forward
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/24/making-windows-10-and-office-365-more-accessible-our-path-forward/>
>>
>> Accessibility Update for Windows 10 Mail
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/01/accessibility-update-for-windows-10-mail/>
>>
>> Accessibility and the Windows 10 Free Upgrade
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/06/accessibility-and-the-windows-10-free-upgrade/>
>>
>> Microsoft Edge
>>
>> Ensuring high-quality browser accessibility with automation
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/26/new-edge-blog-ensuring-high-quality-browser-accessibility-with-automation/>
>>
>> Building a more accessible user experience with HTML5 and UIA
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/13/new-edge-blog-building-a-more-accessible-user-experience-with-html5-and-uia/>
>>
>> Building a More Accessible Web Platform
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/21/building-a-more-accessible-web-platform/>
>>
>> Developers
>>
>> Accessibility Design guidelines
>> <https://msdn.microsoft.com/windows/uwp/accessibility/accessibility-overview>
>>
>> Accessibility Developer Hub
>> <https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/accessible-apps>
>
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Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Carlos
 


Yes that is exactly my point.  Narrator is indeed of marginal importance when there are already much more powerful free alternatives and other aspects of Windows 10 where accessibility should be a priority.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

You seem to have thee attitude that the users have enormous influence over Microsoft by ssimply providing feedback.  And you keep insisting on this in message after message.  If that is true, then why is Windows 10 still not properly accessible almost a year after it has come out.  It isn't as though there hasn't been a torrent of criticism from the blind community. 
 
I don't care about if Narrator is worked on now.  Windows 10 should be brought up to proper acccessibility standards.  Narrator is of marginal importance.  If a company upgrades to Windows 10 and the result is problems that may range from annoyances to serious job threatening problems for blind employees, why worry about Narrator? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

We could help make narrator a full screen reader if we really wanted it
bad enough. RJ


On 7/2/2016 1:19 PM, Marie wrote:
> I find Narrator useful on occasion, but it is far from being a full
> screen reader and I would hate it if they made it like the Apple
> devices where it is your only choice.
> Marie
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Carlos
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:33 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
> If they are going somewhere with Narrator, then they should simply
> release a
> major upgrade when it is ready to be used as a full-blown screen
> reader.  At
> this point it is wasted effort to introduce these minor changes since
> it is
> still not functional enough to be used by most on a daily basis.
> Gradually
> introducing features that most people probably won't use because there
> is a
> better free alternative seems like effort that could be more productively
> invested somewhere else for now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>
> Yeah, but they might be going somewhere with it which we don't know about
> just yet. Some of the features discussed in the article seem as though
> they
> may have been influenced by general screen reader tech.
>
> They might first want to start with the Windows OS then ultimately
> create a
> VoiceOver competitor for future Windows devices.
>
> With technology advancing as it does, why not accept the help from one of
> the biggest computer software developers in the world? Furthermore, this
> development might yield discoveries which will help with other related
> disabilities experienced by an aging population.
>
> JR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of
> Carlos
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:03 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
> And honestly, the focus on Narrator seems like wasted time and somewhat
> excessive in my opinion.  How many people really use Narrator on a daily
> basis?  The fact is that most users only run Narrator in an emergency
> or to
> finish setting up Windows.  It is useful and convenient to have, but for
> most it does not provide enough functionality to be used as a primary
> screen
> reader.  These days those who cannot afford one of the expensive screen
> readers will most likely use NVDA.  And Narrator has a long way to go
> before
> it can compete with NVDA.  That being the case, I believe their time and
> effort would be better spent on improving accessibility in other
> areas.  If
> NVDA did not exist, then the efforts to improve Narrator might seem more
> significant, but again in my opinion at this time, it just seems like
> wasted
> effort.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
> I have defended Microsoft for years when I thought they deserved it. 
> I will
> not defend them in their accessibility implementation of accessibility in
> Windows 10.  My thoughts on the blog entry are below.
>
> Almost a year after Windows 10 has been released and Microsoft is still
> dealing with some of the kinds of things discussed in its blog? Being
> passionate about accessibility means not waiting a year and still having
> significant accessibility problems.  Being passionate about accessibility
> means having reasonable accessibility at the time of initial release.
>
> And please stop patronizing those who provide feedback.  It isn't
> incredible.  It's useful and good feedback but incredible?  You aren't
> accomplishing anything by heaping excessive praise on those who provide
> feedback but patronizing them.  We don't want to be called incredible nor
> our feedback.  We want implementation and at a much faster and better
> rate.
> And does some of this feedback really have to be given in order for
> you to
> know about it?  Since the nineties, Windows screen-readers have routinely
> offered speech that can go faster than 430 words per minute.  If your
> accessibility team really needs user feedback to be aware of the need for
> fast speech, then what else is the team unaware of that should be common
> knowledge to anyone working in the field of accessibility?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Christopher Hallsworth <mailto:challsworth2@...>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:06 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>
>> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/
>>
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/>
>>
>>
>> Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update
>>
>> With more than one billion people with disabilities in the world,
>> Microsoft is passionate about accessibility and ensuring our products
>> work
>> for all our customers. Today we are excited to share additional details
>> about the Windows 10 Anniversary Update which represents a significant
>> step forward in our effort to make Microsoft products accessible. We
>> encourage anyone already running Windows 10 to upgrade when the update
>> becomes available. We also recognize that we must continue to invest in
>> accessibility and are committed to the continued improvement of built-in
>> features like Narrator and Magnifier as well as the accessibility of
>> experiences and apps like Cortana, Mail and setup. If you are a user of
>> Assistive Technology and are still using Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 and
>> want
>> to wait to upgrade, don’t forget that you will still have the
>> opportunity
>> to upgrade at no cost even after the Windows 10 free upgrade period
>> ends.
>> We will have a page available on July 29 for people using AT to take
>> advantage of the free upgrade offer.
>>
>> We have already shared many of these details with our Windows Insider
>> program over the last several months, so this blog post will recap those
>> areas and share a few new things. Customer feedback through the Windows
>> Insider program and from our users with disabilities has been
>> essential to
>> helping us focus our work in several key areas. These include improving
>> the screen reading experience with Narrator, the accessibility of
>> experiences and apps like Microsoft Edge, Mail and the Start menu, as
>> well
>> as better tools and resources for developers to build more accessible
>> apps
>> and experiences.
>>
>> Improved Screen Reading with Narrator
>>
>> As we’ve stated in a series of recent blog posts, a lot of changes with
>> Narrator that you will see as a part of the Windows 10 Anniversary
>> Update
>> were directly influenced by your incredible feedback. Those changes
>> include:
>>
>> Faster text to speech voices
>>
>> We’ve added new voices to Narrator that offer a much faster top rate of
>> speech. Our current voices average a maximum of roughly 400 words per
>> minute. The new voices average nearly twice that at approximately 800
>> words per minute.
>>
>> New languages in Narrator
>>
>> We continue to add new international languages for Narrator, including
>> Arabic and several Nordic languages. The following new languages will be
>> available either with the corresponding international version of Windows
>> or will be available for download.
>>
>> Spanish (Mexico) French (Canada) Portuguese (Brazil)
>> Arabic (Egypt) Catalan (Spain) Danish (Denmark)
>> Finnish (Finland) Norwegian (Norway) Dutch (Belgium)
>> Dutch (Netherlands) Portuguese (Portugal) Swedish (Sweden)
>> Turkish (Turkey)
>> More familiar keyboard navigation
>>
>> Keyboard commands in Narrator are now more familiar to users of other
>> screen readers. Some keyboard interactions have been simplified to
>> ensure
>> better ergonomics, making them easier to type.
>>
>> Introducing scan mode
>>
>> We’ve introduced a new navigation mode to Narrator called Scan mode.
>> Scan
>> Mode is turned on with a press of CAPS LOCK and SPACE. While you are in
>> Scan mode you can press SPACE to activate an item of interest, such as
>> following a link on a web page or pressing a button in an app.
>>
>> Six levels of verbosity
>>
>> Narrator now supports six levels of verbosity for giving you more
>> details
>> about the characteristics of text. You can cycle through these modes by
>> pressing CAPS LOCK + CTRL + (PLUS). For example, at what we call Verbose
>> mode 0 (zero), you will hear just the text. At verbose mode 1, you might
>> hear if the text is a heading. At other verbose levels, you will get
>> varying indications of other text properties, like text color or
>> formatting.
>>
>> Punctuation Modes
>>
>> Narrator now gives you more control over how much punctuation you hear
>> when reading text. CAPS LOCK+ALT+(PLUS) and CAPS LOCK+ALT+(MINUS) cycle
>> through the settings for punctuation. The settings for punctuation
>> include
>> none, some, most, all and math along with default.
>>
>> Now announcing AutoSuggest results
>>
>> Many applications in Windows 10 offer automatic suggestions as you enter
>> information. For example, when you start entering a search term in an
>> application search box you may get suggestions based on what you are
>> entering. With Narrator you will now get a verbal hint with an audio
>> indication when these suggestions are available.
>>
>> Feedback made easy
>>
>> Pressing CAPS LOCK + E + E when running Narrator is an easy way to
>> send us
>> feedback. This shortcut will bring up a feedback form where you can
>> submit
>> comments and suggestions about your experience with Narrator.
>>
>> User guides and documentation
>>
>> Our documentation team has been working hard to update the resources
>> available to those who are learning how to use Narrator. We are looking
>> forward to providing improved and more complete documentation like an
>> updated Narrator user guide that will be available online when the
>> Anniversary Update is released.
>>
>> Working to make apps and experiences more accessible
>>
>> Along with many of these accessibility updates to Windows 10, most of
>> our
>> app teams have also been making regular updates. Below are a few of the
>> notable highlights.
>>
>> More accessible browsing and reading with Microsoft Edge
>>
>> In a series of blog posts, the Microsoft Edge team has been providing
>> detailed updates on their accessibility progress. For example, the team
>> has already shared how work to support modern web accessibility
>> standards
>> is helping developers more easily build accessible sites. And with the
>> introduction of Microsoft Edge’s new accessibility architecture, we are
>> working to make Edge a more inclusive and reliable experience for
>> everyone. The team has also been working closely with the most popular
>> third-party assistive technology vendors to guide them through the
>> transition to this new platform.
>>
>> In addition to the work the team has already shared, we are also excited
>> for you to try the improvements to the end user accessibility experience
>> of the Microsoft Edge app and PDF reader. These include broad support
>> for
>> tagged PDF files, and a wide range of improvements to common daily
>> browsing features such as address bar, tabs, windows, and favorites.
>>
>> Mail
>>
>> Since the initial release of Windows 10 last summer, there have been
>> many
>> improvements to the accessibility of the Mail app. The Mail team
>> described
>> many of these updates in a blog last February and has since that time
>> continued to make progress on things like improving the account setup
>> experience when using a screen reader.
>>
>> Cortana
>>
>> You can more reliably operate search and Cortana with the keyboard,
>> including things like navigating using arrow keys and tab order.
>> There are
>> also Improvements to high contrast that make the Cortana UI more legible
>> in all contrast modes. The team has also made a number of general fixes
>> that improve the experience with Cortana when using accessibility tools
>> such as Windows Speech Recognition, Narrator and other screen-readers.
>>
>> Groove
>>
>> The Groove team has delivered a number of key updates for low vision
>> users
>> like better support for high DPI scaling and better high contrast
>> support,
>> including better color combinations and the boxing of text when
>> appearing
>> on top of album art. In addition, the team has done work to make the
>> app a
>> better experience when using a screen reader by adding a number of new
>> shortcut keys as well as fixing a number of bugs when using Narrator.
>>
>> Making accessibility easier for developers
>>
>> In addition to the progress being made with our apps and built-in
>> accessibility features we have been making investments in the tools and
>> reference materials that developers rely on to create accessible
>> experiences within their apps and websites. Here are a few developer
>> resources we have already made available or will be a part of the
>> Windows
>> 10 anniversary Update.
>>
>> New Tools
>>
>> Developer tools are essential to making accessibility just work. The
>> Visual Studio App Analysis tool was updated to helping devs to find,
>> triage and fix accessibility errors like flagging controls that don’t
>> have
>> an accessible name. We also introduced a new developer mode in Narrator.
>> Narrator dev mode can be turned on when Narrator is already running by
>> pressing SHIFT + CAPS LOCK + F12. When dev mode is turned on the screen
>> will be masked and will highlight only the accessible objects and the
>> associated text that is exposed programmatically to Narrator.
>>
>> XAML Improvements
>>
>> The XAML team has improved the support for Mnemonics within Universal
>> Windows Apps (UWA’s) allowing for better Access Key customizations. For
>> example, the developer of a shopping app can now assign a custom Access
>> Key like P, that can be activated by pressing ALT then the letter P, in
>> order to activate the purchase button.
>>
>> Improved Documentation
>>
>> And finally the team has worked hard to improve the discoverability and
>> update the documentation we provide for developers. We recently
>> relaunched
>> the accessibility developer hub as well as general design guidelines and
>> sample code for accessibility.
>>
>> Most importantly, your feedback is imperative to getting accessibility
>> right. Keep letting us know what accessibility features are important to
>> you. If you are already running Windows 10, you can simply press CAPS
>> LOCK
>> + E (two times) to bring up a feedback form when using Narrator. Or, if
>> you are technically minded, you can help us by becoming a Windows
>> Insider
>> and giving us feedback on the latest updates to Windows as we are
>> building
>> them.
>>
>> Previous Blogs and Resources:
>>
>> Windows
>>
>> Further Details on the Coming Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/09/further-details-on-the-coming-improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>
>>
>> Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/11/improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>
>>
>> Making Windows 10 and Office 365 more accessible: Our path forward
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/24/making-windows-10-and-office-365-more-accessible-our-path-forward/>
>>
>> Accessibility Update for Windows 10 Mail
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/01/accessibility-update-for-windows-10-mail/>
>>
>> Accessibility and the Windows 10 Free Upgrade
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/06/accessibility-and-the-windows-10-free-upgrade/>
>>
>> Microsoft Edge
>>
>> Ensuring high-quality browser accessibility with automation
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/26/new-edge-blog-ensuring-high-quality-browser-accessibility-with-automation/>
>>
>> Building a more accessible user experience with HTML5 and UIA
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/13/new-edge-blog-building-a-more-accessible-user-experience-with-html5-and-uia/>
>>
>> Building a More Accessible Web Platform
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/21/building-a-more-accessible-web-platform/>
>>
>> Developers
>>
>> Accessibility Design guidelines
>> <https://msdn.microsoft.com/windows/uwp/accessibility/accessibility-overview>
>>
>> Accessibility Developer Hub
>> <https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/accessible-apps>
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Gameday Audio Question for a Friend.

Barb O'Connor
 

Is anyone using Windows 10, having difficulty using Gameday Audio? I have a friend who is using it and his feed stops and he can't seem to get back in? It still works fine on his WindowsXP Computer and his iPhone.
 
Thanks for any help regarding this.
 
Barb


new lenovo

Monte Single
 

I got the Lenovo Idea Pad 100 2 days ago. I had a sighted friend help me set it up for the first time. HA HA HA!!! Maybe I could have used narrator!!! Anyway it is a win 10 machine. I would not describe the case as rugged, maybe tough. The good part is that it has a numeric keypad. It will not be my main machine, just to take here and there. Yes I am aware of the privacy issues with this o s. I installed Firefox as I figured it would be better than hanging on to THE EDGE!!! Yes, latest version of n v d a..

Later,

Monte

P s Sometimes I see messages on these groups about some aspects of computers not being accessible; e.g. setting up a laptop for the first time.
In this I do not mind getting some sighted help for a few minutes. Most anybody with a drivers licence can chang the oil in their car, but how many do or even want to??


Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Gene
 

You seem to have thee attitude that the users have enormous influence over Microsoft by ssimply providing feedback.  And you keep insisting on this in message after message.  If that is true, then why is Windows 10 still not properly accessible almost a year after it has come out.  It isn't as though there hasn't been a torrent of criticism from the blind community. 
 
I don't care about if Narrator is worked on now.  Windows 10 should be brought up to proper acccessibility standards.  Narrator is of marginal importance.  If a company upgrades to Windows 10 and the result is problems that may range from annoyances to serious job threatening problems for blind employees, why worry about Narrator? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

We could help make narrator a full screen reader if we really wanted it
bad enough. RJ


On 7/2/2016 1:19 PM, Marie wrote:
> I find Narrator useful on occasion, but it is far from being a full
> screen reader and I would hate it if they made it like the Apple
> devices where it is your only choice.
> Marie
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Carlos
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:33 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
> If they are going somewhere with Narrator, then they should simply
> release a
> major upgrade when it is ready to be used as a full-blown screen
> reader.  At
> this point it is wasted effort to introduce these minor changes since
> it is
> still not functional enough to be used by most on a daily basis.
> Gradually
> introducing features that most people probably won't use because there
> is a
> better free alternative seems like effort that could be more productively
> invested somewhere else for now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>
> Yeah, but they might be going somewhere with it which we don't know about
> just yet. Some of the features discussed in the article seem as though
> they
> may have been influenced by general screen reader tech.
>
> They might first want to start with the Windows OS then ultimately
> create a
> VoiceOver competitor for future Windows devices.
>
> With technology advancing as it does, why not accept the help from one of
> the biggest computer software developers in the world? Furthermore, this
> development might yield discoveries which will help with other related
> disabilities experienced by an aging population.
>
> JR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
> Behalf Of
> Carlos
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:03 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
> And honestly, the focus on Narrator seems like wasted time and somewhat
> excessive in my opinion.  How many people really use Narrator on a daily
> basis?  The fact is that most users only run Narrator in an emergency
> or to
> finish setting up Windows.  It is useful and convenient to have, but for
> most it does not provide enough functionality to be used as a primary
> screen
> reader.  These days those who cannot afford one of the expensive screen
> readers will most likely use NVDA.  And Narrator has a long way to go
> before
> it can compete with NVDA.  That being the case, I believe their time and
> effort would be better spent on improving accessibility in other
> areas.  If
> NVDA did not exist, then the efforts to improve Narrator might seem more
> significant, but again in my opinion at this time, it just seems like
> wasted
> effort.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
> Windows 10
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
> I have defended Microsoft for years when I thought they deserved it. 
> I will
> not defend them in their accessibility implementation of accessibility in
> Windows 10.  My thoughts on the blog entry are below.
>
> Almost a year after Windows 10 has been released and Microsoft is still
> dealing with some of the kinds of things discussed in its blog? Being
> passionate about accessibility means not waiting a year and still having
> significant accessibility problems.  Being passionate about accessibility
> means having reasonable accessibility at the time of initial release.
>
> And please stop patronizing those who provide feedback.  It isn't
> incredible.  It's useful and good feedback but incredible?  You aren't
> accomplishing anything by heaping excessive praise on those who provide
> feedback but patronizing them.  We don't want to be called incredible nor
> our feedback.  We want implementation and at a much faster and better
> rate.
> And does some of this feedback really have to be given in order for
> you to
> know about it?  Since the nineties, Windows screen-readers have routinely
> offered speech that can go faster than 430 words per minute.  If your
> accessibility team really needs user feedback to be aware of the need for
> fast speech, then what else is the team unaware of that should be common
> knowledge to anyone working in the field of accessibility?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Christopher Hallsworth <mailto:challsworth2@...>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:06 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
> Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog
>
>
>> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/
>>
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/>
>>
>>
>> Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update
>>
>> With more than one billion people with disabilities in the world,
>> Microsoft is passionate about accessibility and ensuring our products
>> work
>> for all our customers. Today we are excited to share additional details
>> about the Windows 10 Anniversary Update which represents a significant
>> step forward in our effort to make Microsoft products accessible. We
>> encourage anyone already running Windows 10 to upgrade when the update
>> becomes available. We also recognize that we must continue to invest in
>> accessibility and are committed to the continued improvement of built-in
>> features like Narrator and Magnifier as well as the accessibility of
>> experiences and apps like Cortana, Mail and setup. If you are a user of
>> Assistive Technology and are still using Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 and
>> want
>> to wait to upgrade, don’t forget that you will still have the
>> opportunity
>> to upgrade at no cost even after the Windows 10 free upgrade period
>> ends.
>> We will have a page available on July 29 for people using AT to take
>> advantage of the free upgrade offer.
>>
>> We have already shared many of these details with our Windows Insider
>> program over the last several months, so this blog post will recap those
>> areas and share a few new things. Customer feedback through the Windows
>> Insider program and from our users with disabilities has been
>> essential to
>> helping us focus our work in several key areas. These include improving
>> the screen reading experience with Narrator, the accessibility of
>> experiences and apps like Microsoft Edge, Mail and the Start menu, as
>> well
>> as better tools and resources for developers to build more accessible
>> apps
>> and experiences.
>>
>> Improved Screen Reading with Narrator
>>
>> As we’ve stated in a series of recent blog posts, a lot of changes with
>> Narrator that you will see as a part of the Windows 10 Anniversary
>> Update
>> were directly influenced by your incredible feedback. Those changes
>> include:
>>
>> Faster text to speech voices
>>
>> We’ve added new voices to Narrator that offer a much faster top rate of
>> speech. Our current voices average a maximum of roughly 400 words per
>> minute. The new voices average nearly twice that at approximately 800
>> words per minute.
>>
>> New languages in Narrator
>>
>> We continue to add new international languages for Narrator, including
>> Arabic and several Nordic languages. The following new languages will be
>> available either with the corresponding international version of Windows
>> or will be available for download.
>>
>> Spanish (Mexico) French (Canada) Portuguese (Brazil)
>> Arabic (Egypt) Catalan (Spain) Danish (Denmark)
>> Finnish (Finland) Norwegian (Norway) Dutch (Belgium)
>> Dutch (Netherlands) Portuguese (Portugal) Swedish (Sweden)
>> Turkish (Turkey)
>> More familiar keyboard navigation
>>
>> Keyboard commands in Narrator are now more familiar to users of other
>> screen readers. Some keyboard interactions have been simplified to
>> ensure
>> better ergonomics, making them easier to type.
>>
>> Introducing scan mode
>>
>> We’ve introduced a new navigation mode to Narrator called Scan mode.
>> Scan
>> Mode is turned on with a press of CAPS LOCK and SPACE. While you are in
>> Scan mode you can press SPACE to activate an item of interest, such as
>> following a link on a web page or pressing a button in an app.
>>
>> Six levels of verbosity
>>
>> Narrator now supports six levels of verbosity for giving you more
>> details
>> about the characteristics of text. You can cycle through these modes by
>> pressing CAPS LOCK + CTRL + (PLUS). For example, at what we call Verbose
>> mode 0 (zero), you will hear just the text. At verbose mode 1, you might
>> hear if the text is a heading. At other verbose levels, you will get
>> varying indications of other text properties, like text color or
>> formatting.
>>
>> Punctuation Modes
>>
>> Narrator now gives you more control over how much punctuation you hear
>> when reading text. CAPS LOCK+ALT+(PLUS) and CAPS LOCK+ALT+(MINUS) cycle
>> through the settings for punctuation. The settings for punctuation
>> include
>> none, some, most, all and math along with default.
>>
>> Now announcing AutoSuggest results
>>
>> Many applications in Windows 10 offer automatic suggestions as you enter
>> information. For example, when you start entering a search term in an
>> application search box you may get suggestions based on what you are
>> entering. With Narrator you will now get a verbal hint with an audio
>> indication when these suggestions are available.
>>
>> Feedback made easy
>>
>> Pressing CAPS LOCK + E + E when running Narrator is an easy way to
>> send us
>> feedback. This shortcut will bring up a feedback form where you can
>> submit
>> comments and suggestions about your experience with Narrator.
>>
>> User guides and documentation
>>
>> Our documentation team has been working hard to update the resources
>> available to those who are learning how to use Narrator. We are looking
>> forward to providing improved and more complete documentation like an
>> updated Narrator user guide that will be available online when the
>> Anniversary Update is released.
>>
>> Working to make apps and experiences more accessible
>>
>> Along with many of these accessibility updates to Windows 10, most of
>> our
>> app teams have also been making regular updates. Below are a few of the
>> notable highlights.
>>
>> More accessible browsing and reading with Microsoft Edge
>>
>> In a series of blog posts, the Microsoft Edge team has been providing
>> detailed updates on their accessibility progress. For example, the team
>> has already shared how work to support modern web accessibility
>> standards
>> is helping developers more easily build accessible sites. And with the
>> introduction of Microsoft Edge’s new accessibility architecture, we are
>> working to make Edge a more inclusive and reliable experience for
>> everyone. The team has also been working closely with the most popular
>> third-party assistive technology vendors to guide them through the
>> transition to this new platform.
>>
>> In addition to the work the team has already shared, we are also excited
>> for you to try the improvements to the end user accessibility experience
>> of the Microsoft Edge app and PDF reader. These include broad support
>> for
>> tagged PDF files, and a wide range of improvements to common daily
>> browsing features such as address bar, tabs, windows, and favorites.
>>
>> Mail
>>
>> Since the initial release of Windows 10 last summer, there have been
>> many
>> improvements to the accessibility of the Mail app. The Mail team
>> described
>> many of these updates in a blog last February and has since that time
>> continued to make progress on things like improving the account setup
>> experience when using a screen reader.
>>
>> Cortana
>>
>> You can more reliably operate search and Cortana with the keyboard,
>> including things like navigating using arrow keys and tab order.
>> There are
>> also Improvements to high contrast that make the Cortana UI more legible
>> in all contrast modes. The team has also made a number of general fixes
>> that improve the experience with Cortana when using accessibility tools
>> such as Windows Speech Recognition, Narrator and other screen-readers.
>>
>> Groove
>>
>> The Groove team has delivered a number of key updates for low vision
>> users
>> like better support for high DPI scaling and better high contrast
>> support,
>> including better color combinations and the boxing of text when
>> appearing
>> on top of album art. In addition, the team has done work to make the
>> app a
>> better experience when using a screen reader by adding a number of new
>> shortcut keys as well as fixing a number of bugs when using Narrator.
>>
>> Making accessibility easier for developers
>>
>> In addition to the progress being made with our apps and built-in
>> accessibility features we have been making investments in the tools and
>> reference materials that developers rely on to create accessible
>> experiences within their apps and websites. Here are a few developer
>> resources we have already made available or will be a part of the
>> Windows
>> 10 anniversary Update.
>>
>> New Tools
>>
>> Developer tools are essential to making accessibility just work. The
>> Visual Studio App Analysis tool was updated to helping devs to find,
>> triage and fix accessibility errors like flagging controls that don’t
>> have
>> an accessible name. We also introduced a new developer mode in Narrator.
>> Narrator dev mode can be turned on when Narrator is already running by
>> pressing SHIFT + CAPS LOCK + F12. When dev mode is turned on the screen
>> will be masked and will highlight only the accessible objects and the
>> associated text that is exposed programmatically to Narrator.
>>
>> XAML Improvements
>>
>> The XAML team has improved the support for Mnemonics within Universal
>> Windows Apps (UWA’s) allowing for better Access Key customizations. For
>> example, the developer of a shopping app can now assign a custom Access
>> Key like P, that can be activated by pressing ALT then the letter P, in
>> order to activate the purchase button.
>>
>> Improved Documentation
>>
>> And finally the team has worked hard to improve the discoverability and
>> update the documentation we provide for developers. We recently
>> relaunched
>> the accessibility developer hub as well as general design guidelines and
>> sample code for accessibility.
>>
>> Most importantly, your feedback is imperative to getting accessibility
>> right. Keep letting us know what accessibility features are important to
>> you. If you are already running Windows 10, you can simply press CAPS
>> LOCK
>> + E (two times) to bring up a feedback form when using Narrator. Or, if
>> you are technically minded, you can help us by becoming a Windows
>> Insider
>> and giving us feedback on the latest updates to Windows as we are
>> building
>> them.
>>
>> Previous Blogs and Resources:
>>
>> Windows
>>
>> Further Details on the Coming Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/09/further-details-on-the-coming-improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>
>>
>> Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/11/improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>
>>
>> Making Windows 10 and Office 365 more accessible: Our path forward
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/24/making-windows-10-and-office-365-more-accessible-our-path-forward/>
>>
>> Accessibility Update for Windows 10 Mail
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/01/accessibility-update-for-windows-10-mail/>
>>
>> Accessibility and the Windows 10 Free Upgrade
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/06/accessibility-and-the-windows-10-free-upgrade/>
>>
>> Microsoft Edge
>>
>> Ensuring high-quality browser accessibility with automation
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/26/new-edge-blog-ensuring-high-quality-browser-accessibility-with-automation/>
>>
>> Building a more accessible user experience with HTML5 and UIA
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/13/new-edge-blog-building-a-more-accessible-user-experience-with-html5-and-uia/>
>>
>> Building a More Accessible Web Platform
>> <https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/21/building-a-more-accessible-web-platform/>
>>
>> Developers
>>
>> Accessibility Design guidelines
>> <https://msdn.microsoft.com/windows/uwp/accessibility/accessibility-overview>
>>
>> Accessibility Developer Hub
>> <https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/accessible-apps>
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Re: FS podcast

Carolyn Arnold
 

Maybe there is some kind of tax advantage to them for
selling at such a discount at conventions. When I was a
medical transcriptionist, I don't remember getting a break
on any medical books at AAMT (American Association for
Medical Transcription) seminars. A chapter holding a seminar
or the national organization at the national ones did make
money from the fees for booths charged to the vendors.

Some of them offered some door prizes.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lynn White
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 1:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FS podcast

Maybe it's just a simply fact that Freedom Scientific is
helping to promote people to go to conventions.


It promotes good will and gets people involved. If they
sold to every
blind person the discounted price, they wouldn't make any
kind of money
at all.


You would then have another screen reader possibly to fall
by the wayside.


On 7/1/2016 11:48 PM, Matt wrote:
So if they are paying for the space then that would be
even a another reason
not to give the discount at all . but I sure them paying
for the booth at
the convention would come under advertisement and is
taking off taxes. This
still don't explain why not offer this to everyone not
just convention
goers. Like the Blind Bargains (A T Guys) they have a
booth and they have
sells as well but it is not limited to just convention
goers . To me it
would make sense to offer it to everyone and they would
come out in the long
run plus help a lot of people. The reason is that in the
long run more than
likely they would get the people that is buying it would
keep the SMA up .
which they make good money off them the SMA itself. Which
is a lot better
than it used to be since they lower the price on SMA Two
years for 125 bucks
is very good and the SMA is on sale at the convention as
well but it is only
for convention goers. Too me it just don't make sense as
they would be more
than likely in the long run making money . In fact at 75
bucks I bet they
are still making money as they hope to sell enough they
will make money. I
just cannot help it I seem to have a problem with this.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FS podcast

Plus, the vendors at the conventions have to pay or the
space that they have
there.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 4:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] FS podcast

Well this talks all about convention time. They have some
really good deals
but the thing is it is only for those that goes to the
convention. I
personally think this is just so wrong! Why can they not
offer this to
everyone!? Like Jaws is just 75 bucks but you have to go
to the convention
and be registered. Why not just offer this to all the
blind community? To me
this just don't seem exactly right! I might be wrong but
it should be
offered to anyone who wants it! or any of the products
they are selling at a
discount. You know not everyone can afford or even get to
these places. But
here is the podcast below.



FS podcast 128
<http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast
128-Conference_Specials,MathML,Mike_Wood.mp3>



http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast1
28-Conference_Specials,MathML,Mike_Wood.mp3







Matt.from.florida@gmail.com
<mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>














Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Carlos
 

Whether Narrator becomes a full-blown screen reader some day, it has a long
way to go. And in my opinion, making Narrator a full-blown screen reader
would only stifle development for the competition. It is good to have
options and Macs are a good example of what happens when a full-blown screen
reader is built-in to the operating system.

----- Original Message -----
From: "RJ Sandefur" <manbatsandefur@outlook.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


I am not usually one to use this type of strong language, but really?
How do you think NVDA and Jaws got to where they are? Feedback! Let's
all give narrator a chance. Microsoft alone won't make the screenreader,
but together, the end users,(Us the blind community) will make Narrator
a screenreader which could even beat out voice over if we really wanted
it bad enough. RJ


On 7/2/2016 1:19 PM, Marie wrote:
I find Narrator useful on occasion, but it is far from being a full
screen reader and I would hate it if they made it like the Apple
devices where it is your only choice.
Marie


-----Original Message----- From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

If they are going somewhere with Narrator, then they should simply
release a
major upgrade when it is ready to be used as a full-blown screen
reader. At
this point it is wasted effort to introduce these minor changes since
it is
still not functional enough to be used by most on a daily basis.
Gradually
introducing features that most people probably won't use because there
is a
better free alternative seems like effort that could be more productively
invested somewhere else for now.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Yeah, but they might be going somewhere with it which we don't know about
just yet. Some of the features discussed in the article seem as though
they
may have been influenced by general screen reader tech.

They might first want to start with the Windows OS then ultimately
create a
VoiceOver competitor for future Windows devices.

With technology advancing as it does, why not accept the help from one of
the biggest computer software developers in the world? Furthermore, this
development might yield discoveries which will help with other related
disabilities experienced by an aging population.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

And honestly, the focus on Narrator seems like wasted time and somewhat
excessive in my opinion. How many people really use Narrator on a daily
basis? The fact is that most users only run Narrator in an emergency
or to
finish setting up Windows. It is useful and convenient to have, but for
most it does not provide enough functionality to be used as a primary
screen
reader. These days those who cannot afford one of the expensive screen
readers will most likely use NVDA. And Narrator has a long way to go
before
it can compete with NVDA. That being the case, I believe their time and
effort would be better spent on improving accessibility in other
areas. If
NVDA did not exist, then the efforts to improve Narrator might seem more
significant, but again in my opinion at this time, it just seems like
wasted
effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

I have defended Microsoft for years when I thought they deserved it.
I will
not defend them in their accessibility implementation of accessibility in
Windows 10. My thoughts on the blog entry are below.

Almost a year after Windows 10 has been released and Microsoft is still
dealing with some of the kinds of things discussed in its blog? Being
passionate about accessibility means not waiting a year and still having
significant accessibility problems. Being passionate about accessibility
means having reasonable accessibility at the time of initial release.

And please stop patronizing those who provide feedback. It isn't
incredible. It's useful and good feedback but incredible? You aren't
accomplishing anything by heaping excessive praise on those who provide
feedback but patronizing them. We don't want to be called incredible nor
our feedback. We want implementation and at a much faster and better
rate.
And does some of this feedback really have to be given in order for
you to
know about it? Since the nineties, Windows screen-readers have routinely
offered speech that can go faster than 430 words per minute. If your
accessibility team really needs user feedback to be aware of the need for
fast speech, then what else is the team unaware of that should be common
knowledge to anyone working in the field of accessibility?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher Hallsworth <mailto:challsworth2@icloud.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/

<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/>


Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update

With more than one billion people with disabilities in the world,
Microsoft is passionate about accessibility and ensuring our products
work
for all our customers. Today we are excited to share additional details
about the Windows 10 Anniversary Update which represents a significant
step forward in our effort to make Microsoft products accessible. We
encourage anyone already running Windows 10 to upgrade when the update
becomes available. We also recognize that we must continue to invest in
accessibility and are committed to the continued improvement of built-in
features like Narrator and Magnifier as well as the accessibility of
experiences and apps like Cortana, Mail and setup. If you are a user of
Assistive Technology and are still using Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 and
want
to wait to upgrade, don’t forget that you will still have the
opportunity
to upgrade at no cost even after the Windows 10 free upgrade period
ends.
We will have a page available on July 29 for people using AT to take
advantage of the free upgrade offer.

We have already shared many of these details with our Windows Insider
program over the last several months, so this blog post will recap those
areas and share a few new things. Customer feedback through the Windows
Insider program and from our users with disabilities has been
essential to
helping us focus our work in several key areas. These include improving
the screen reading experience with Narrator, the accessibility of
experiences and apps like Microsoft Edge, Mail and the Start menu, as
well
as better tools and resources for developers to build more accessible
apps
and experiences.

Improved Screen Reading with Narrator

As we’ve stated in a series of recent blog posts, a lot of changes with
Narrator that you will see as a part of the Windows 10 Anniversary
Update
were directly influenced by your incredible feedback. Those changes
include:

Faster text to speech voices

We’ve added new voices to Narrator that offer a much faster top rate of
speech. Our current voices average a maximum of roughly 400 words per
minute. The new voices average nearly twice that at approximately 800
words per minute.

New languages in Narrator

We continue to add new international languages for Narrator, including
Arabic and several Nordic languages. The following new languages will be
available either with the corresponding international version of Windows
or will be available for download.

Spanish (Mexico) French (Canada) Portuguese (Brazil)
Arabic (Egypt) Catalan (Spain) Danish (Denmark)
Finnish (Finland) Norwegian (Norway) Dutch (Belgium)
Dutch (Netherlands) Portuguese (Portugal) Swedish (Sweden)
Turkish (Turkey)
More familiar keyboard navigation

Keyboard commands in Narrator are now more familiar to users of other
screen readers. Some keyboard interactions have been simplified to
ensure
better ergonomics, making them easier to type.

Introducing scan mode

We’ve introduced a new navigation mode to Narrator called Scan mode.
Scan
Mode is turned on with a press of CAPS LOCK and SPACE. While you are in
Scan mode you can press SPACE to activate an item of interest, such as
following a link on a web page or pressing a button in an app.

Six levels of verbosity

Narrator now supports six levels of verbosity for giving you more
details
about the characteristics of text. You can cycle through these modes by
pressing CAPS LOCK + CTRL + (PLUS). For example, at what we call Verbose
mode 0 (zero), you will hear just the text. At verbose mode 1, you might
hear if the text is a heading. At other verbose levels, you will get
varying indications of other text properties, like text color or
formatting.

Punctuation Modes

Narrator now gives you more control over how much punctuation you hear
when reading text. CAPS LOCK+ALT+(PLUS) and CAPS LOCK+ALT+(MINUS) cycle
through the settings for punctuation. The settings for punctuation
include
none, some, most, all and math along with default.

Now announcing AutoSuggest results

Many applications in Windows 10 offer automatic suggestions as you enter
information. For example, when you start entering a search term in an
application search box you may get suggestions based on what you are
entering. With Narrator you will now get a verbal hint with an audio
indication when these suggestions are available.

Feedback made easy

Pressing CAPS LOCK + E + E when running Narrator is an easy way to
send us
feedback. This shortcut will bring up a feedback form where you can
submit
comments and suggestions about your experience with Narrator.

User guides and documentation

Our documentation team has been working hard to update the resources
available to those who are learning how to use Narrator. We are looking
forward to providing improved and more complete documentation like an
updated Narrator user guide that will be available online when the
Anniversary Update is released.

Working to make apps and experiences more accessible

Along with many of these accessibility updates to Windows 10, most of
our
app teams have also been making regular updates. Below are a few of the
notable highlights.

More accessible browsing and reading with Microsoft Edge

In a series of blog posts, the Microsoft Edge team has been providing
detailed updates on their accessibility progress. For example, the team
has already shared how work to support modern web accessibility
standards
is helping developers more easily build accessible sites. And with the
introduction of Microsoft Edge’s new accessibility architecture, we are
working to make Edge a more inclusive and reliable experience for
everyone. The team has also been working closely with the most popular
third-party assistive technology vendors to guide them through the
transition to this new platform.

In addition to the work the team has already shared, we are also excited
for you to try the improvements to the end user accessibility experience
of the Microsoft Edge app and PDF reader. These include broad support
for
tagged PDF files, and a wide range of improvements to common daily
browsing features such as address bar, tabs, windows, and favorites.

Mail

Since the initial release of Windows 10 last summer, there have been
many
improvements to the accessibility of the Mail app. The Mail team
described
many of these updates in a blog last February and has since that time
continued to make progress on things like improving the account setup
experience when using a screen reader.

Cortana

You can more reliably operate search and Cortana with the keyboard,
including things like navigating using arrow keys and tab order.
There are
also Improvements to high contrast that make the Cortana UI more legible
in all contrast modes. The team has also made a number of general fixes
that improve the experience with Cortana when using accessibility tools
such as Windows Speech Recognition, Narrator and other screen-readers.

Groove

The Groove team has delivered a number of key updates for low vision
users
like better support for high DPI scaling and better high contrast
support,
including better color combinations and the boxing of text when
appearing
on top of album art. In addition, the team has done work to make the
app a
better experience when using a screen reader by adding a number of new
shortcut keys as well as fixing a number of bugs when using Narrator.

Making accessibility easier for developers

In addition to the progress being made with our apps and built-in
accessibility features we have been making investments in the tools and
reference materials that developers rely on to create accessible
experiences within their apps and websites. Here are a few developer
resources we have already made available or will be a part of the
Windows
10 anniversary Update.

New Tools

Developer tools are essential to making accessibility just work. The
Visual Studio App Analysis tool was updated to helping devs to find,
triage and fix accessibility errors like flagging controls that don’t
have
an accessible name. We also introduced a new developer mode in Narrator.
Narrator dev mode can be turned on when Narrator is already running by
pressing SHIFT + CAPS LOCK + F12. When dev mode is turned on the screen
will be masked and will highlight only the accessible objects and the
associated text that is exposed programmatically to Narrator.

XAML Improvements

The XAML team has improved the support for Mnemonics within Universal
Windows Apps (UWA’s) allowing for better Access Key customizations. For
example, the developer of a shopping app can now assign a custom Access
Key like P, that can be activated by pressing ALT then the letter P, in
order to activate the purchase button.

Improved Documentation

And finally the team has worked hard to improve the discoverability and
update the documentation we provide for developers. We recently
relaunched
the accessibility developer hub as well as general design guidelines and
sample code for accessibility.

Most importantly, your feedback is imperative to getting accessibility
right. Keep letting us know what accessibility features are important to
you. If you are already running Windows 10, you can simply press CAPS
LOCK
+ E (two times) to bring up a feedback form when using Narrator. Or, if
you are technically minded, you can help us by becoming a Windows
Insider
and giving us feedback on the latest updates to Windows as we are
building
them.

Previous Blogs and Resources:

Windows

Further Details on the Coming Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/09/further-details-on-the-coming-improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>

Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/11/improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>

Making Windows 10 and Office 365 more accessible: Our path forward
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/24/making-windows-10-and-office-365-more-accessible-our-path-forward/>

Accessibility Update for Windows 10 Mail
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/01/accessibility-update-for-windows-10-mail/>

Accessibility and the Windows 10 Free Upgrade
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/06/accessibility-and-the-windows-10-free-upgrade/>

Microsoft Edge

Ensuring high-quality browser accessibility with automation
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/26/new-edge-blog-ensuring-high-quality-browser-accessibility-with-automation/>

Building a more accessible user experience with HTML5 and UIA
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/13/new-edge-blog-building-a-more-accessible-user-experience-with-html5-and-uia/>

Building a More Accessible Web Platform
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/21/building-a-more-accessible-web-platform/>

Developers

Accessibility Design guidelines
<https://msdn.microsoft.com/windows/uwp/accessibility/accessibility-overview>

Accessibility Developer Hub
<https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/accessible-apps>

















Re: Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog #article

Carlos
 

No one is complaining. I was simply expressing the opinion that it is
wasted effort. I see no point in using Narrator except in special cases
when there are free alternatives which offer much more functionality.

----- Original Message -----
From: "RJ Sandefur" <manbatsandefur@outlook.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Come on guys! I say give narrator a chance, and quit the bitching!


On 7/2/2016 1:19 PM, Marie wrote:
I find Narrator useful on occasion, but it is far from being a full
screen reader and I would hate it if they made it like the Apple
devices where it is your only choice.
Marie


-----Original Message----- From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10 Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

If they are going somewhere with Narrator, then they should simply
release a
major upgrade when it is ready to be used as a full-blown screen
reader. At
this point it is wasted effort to introduce these minor changes since
it is
still not functional enough to be used by most on a daily basis.
Gradually
introducing features that most people probably won't use because there
is a
better free alternative seems like effort that could be more productively
invested somewhere else for now.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy.richards7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


Yeah, but they might be going somewhere with it which we don't know about
just yet. Some of the features discussed in the article seem as though
they
may have been influenced by general screen reader tech.

They might first want to start with the Windows OS then ultimately
create a
VoiceOver competitor for future Windows devices.

With technology advancing as it does, why not accept the help from one of
the biggest computer software developers in the world? Furthermore, this
development might yield discoveries which will help with other related
disabilities experienced by an aging population.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

And honestly, the focus on Narrator seems like wasted time and somewhat
excessive in my opinion. How many people really use Narrator on a daily
basis? The fact is that most users only run Narrator in an emergency
or to
finish setting up Windows. It is useful and convenient to have, but for
most it does not provide enough functionality to be used as a primary
screen
reader. These days those who cannot afford one of the expensive screen
readers will most likely use NVDA. And Narrator has a long way to go
before
it can compete with NVDA. That being the case, I believe their time and
effort would be better spent on improving accessibility in other
areas. If
NVDA did not exist, then the efforts to improve Narrator might seem more
significant, but again in my opinion at this time, it just seems like
wasted
effort.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the
Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog

I have defended Microsoft for years when I thought they deserved it.
I will
not defend them in their accessibility implementation of accessibility in
Windows 10. My thoughts on the blog entry are below.

Almost a year after Windows 10 has been released and Microsoft is still
dealing with some of the kinds of things discussed in its blog? Being
passionate about accessibility means not waiting a year and still having
significant accessibility problems. Being passionate about accessibility
means having reasonable accessibility at the time of initial release.

And please stop patronizing those who provide feedback. It isn't
incredible. It's useful and good feedback but incredible? You aren't
accomplishing anything by heaping excessive praise on those who provide
feedback but patronizing them. We don't want to be called incredible nor
our feedback. We want implementation and at a much faster and better
rate.
And does some of this feedback really have to be given in order for
you to
know about it? Since the nineties, Windows screen-readers have routinely
offered speech that can go faster than 430 words per minute. If your
accessibility team really needs user feedback to be aware of the need for
fast speech, then what else is the team unaware of that should be common
knowledge to anyone working in the field of accessibility?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher Hallsworth <mailto:challsworth2@icloud.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10
Anniversary Update | Microsoft Accessibility Blog


https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/

<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/07/01/making-progress-on-accessibility-with-the-windows-10-anniversary-update/>


Making progress on accessibility with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update

With more than one billion people with disabilities in the world,
Microsoft is passionate about accessibility and ensuring our products
work
for all our customers. Today we are excited to share additional details
about the Windows 10 Anniversary Update which represents a significant
step forward in our effort to make Microsoft products accessible. We
encourage anyone already running Windows 10 to upgrade when the update
becomes available. We also recognize that we must continue to invest in
accessibility and are committed to the continued improvement of built-in
features like Narrator and Magnifier as well as the accessibility of
experiences and apps like Cortana, Mail and setup. If you are a user of
Assistive Technology and are still using Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 and
want
to wait to upgrade, don’t forget that you will still have the
opportunity
to upgrade at no cost even after the Windows 10 free upgrade period
ends.
We will have a page available on July 29 for people using AT to take
advantage of the free upgrade offer.

We have already shared many of these details with our Windows Insider
program over the last several months, so this blog post will recap those
areas and share a few new things. Customer feedback through the Windows
Insider program and from our users with disabilities has been
essential to
helping us focus our work in several key areas. These include improving
the screen reading experience with Narrator, the accessibility of
experiences and apps like Microsoft Edge, Mail and the Start menu, as
well
as better tools and resources for developers to build more accessible
apps
and experiences.

Improved Screen Reading with Narrator

As we’ve stated in a series of recent blog posts, a lot of changes with
Narrator that you will see as a part of the Windows 10 Anniversary
Update
were directly influenced by your incredible feedback. Those changes
include:

Faster text to speech voices

We’ve added new voices to Narrator that offer a much faster top rate of
speech. Our current voices average a maximum of roughly 400 words per
minute. The new voices average nearly twice that at approximately 800
words per minute.

New languages in Narrator

We continue to add new international languages for Narrator, including
Arabic and several Nordic languages. The following new languages will be
available either with the corresponding international version of Windows
or will be available for download.

Spanish (Mexico) French (Canada) Portuguese (Brazil)
Arabic (Egypt) Catalan (Spain) Danish (Denmark)
Finnish (Finland) Norwegian (Norway) Dutch (Belgium)
Dutch (Netherlands) Portuguese (Portugal) Swedish (Sweden)
Turkish (Turkey)
More familiar keyboard navigation

Keyboard commands in Narrator are now more familiar to users of other
screen readers. Some keyboard interactions have been simplified to
ensure
better ergonomics, making them easier to type.

Introducing scan mode

We’ve introduced a new navigation mode to Narrator called Scan mode.
Scan
Mode is turned on with a press of CAPS LOCK and SPACE. While you are in
Scan mode you can press SPACE to activate an item of interest, such as
following a link on a web page or pressing a button in an app.

Six levels of verbosity

Narrator now supports six levels of verbosity for giving you more
details
about the characteristics of text. You can cycle through these modes by
pressing CAPS LOCK + CTRL + (PLUS). For example, at what we call Verbose
mode 0 (zero), you will hear just the text. At verbose mode 1, you might
hear if the text is a heading. At other verbose levels, you will get
varying indications of other text properties, like text color or
formatting.

Punctuation Modes

Narrator now gives you more control over how much punctuation you hear
when reading text. CAPS LOCK+ALT+(PLUS) and CAPS LOCK+ALT+(MINUS) cycle
through the settings for punctuation. The settings for punctuation
include
none, some, most, all and math along with default.

Now announcing AutoSuggest results

Many applications in Windows 10 offer automatic suggestions as you enter
information. For example, when you start entering a search term in an
application search box you may get suggestions based on what you are
entering. With Narrator you will now get a verbal hint with an audio
indication when these suggestions are available.

Feedback made easy

Pressing CAPS LOCK + E + E when running Narrator is an easy way to
send us
feedback. This shortcut will bring up a feedback form where you can
submit
comments and suggestions about your experience with Narrator.

User guides and documentation

Our documentation team has been working hard to update the resources
available to those who are learning how to use Narrator. We are looking
forward to providing improved and more complete documentation like an
updated Narrator user guide that will be available online when the
Anniversary Update is released.

Working to make apps and experiences more accessible

Along with many of these accessibility updates to Windows 10, most of
our
app teams have also been making regular updates. Below are a few of the
notable highlights.

More accessible browsing and reading with Microsoft Edge

In a series of blog posts, the Microsoft Edge team has been providing
detailed updates on their accessibility progress. For example, the team
has already shared how work to support modern web accessibility
standards
is helping developers more easily build accessible sites. And with the
introduction of Microsoft Edge’s new accessibility architecture, we are
working to make Edge a more inclusive and reliable experience for
everyone. The team has also been working closely with the most popular
third-party assistive technology vendors to guide them through the
transition to this new platform.

In addition to the work the team has already shared, we are also excited
for you to try the improvements to the end user accessibility experience
of the Microsoft Edge app and PDF reader. These include broad support
for
tagged PDF files, and a wide range of improvements to common daily
browsing features such as address bar, tabs, windows, and favorites.

Mail

Since the initial release of Windows 10 last summer, there have been
many
improvements to the accessibility of the Mail app. The Mail team
described
many of these updates in a blog last February and has since that time
continued to make progress on things like improving the account setup
experience when using a screen reader.

Cortana

You can more reliably operate search and Cortana with the keyboard,
including things like navigating using arrow keys and tab order.
There are
also Improvements to high contrast that make the Cortana UI more legible
in all contrast modes. The team has also made a number of general fixes
that improve the experience with Cortana when using accessibility tools
such as Windows Speech Recognition, Narrator and other screen-readers.

Groove

The Groove team has delivered a number of key updates for low vision
users
like better support for high DPI scaling and better high contrast
support,
including better color combinations and the boxing of text when
appearing
on top of album art. In addition, the team has done work to make the
app a
better experience when using a screen reader by adding a number of new
shortcut keys as well as fixing a number of bugs when using Narrator.

Making accessibility easier for developers

In addition to the progress being made with our apps and built-in
accessibility features we have been making investments in the tools and
reference materials that developers rely on to create accessible
experiences within their apps and websites. Here are a few developer
resources we have already made available or will be a part of the
Windows
10 anniversary Update.

New Tools

Developer tools are essential to making accessibility just work. The
Visual Studio App Analysis tool was updated to helping devs to find,
triage and fix accessibility errors like flagging controls that don’t
have
an accessible name. We also introduced a new developer mode in Narrator.
Narrator dev mode can be turned on when Narrator is already running by
pressing SHIFT + CAPS LOCK + F12. When dev mode is turned on the screen
will be masked and will highlight only the accessible objects and the
associated text that is exposed programmatically to Narrator.

XAML Improvements

The XAML team has improved the support for Mnemonics within Universal
Windows Apps (UWA’s) allowing for better Access Key customizations. For
example, the developer of a shopping app can now assign a custom Access
Key like P, that can be activated by pressing ALT then the letter P, in
order to activate the purchase button.

Improved Documentation

And finally the team has worked hard to improve the discoverability and
update the documentation we provide for developers. We recently
relaunched
the accessibility developer hub as well as general design guidelines and
sample code for accessibility.

Most importantly, your feedback is imperative to getting accessibility
right. Keep letting us know what accessibility features are important to
you. If you are already running Windows 10, you can simply press CAPS
LOCK
+ E (two times) to bring up a feedback form when using Narrator. Or, if
you are technically minded, you can help us by becoming a Windows
Insider
and giving us feedback on the latest updates to Windows as we are
building
them.

Previous Blogs and Resources:

Windows

Further Details on the Coming Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/09/further-details-on-the-coming-improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>

Improvements to Narrator in Windows 10
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/11/improvements-to-narrator-in-windows-10/>

Making Windows 10 and Office 365 more accessible: Our path forward
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/24/making-windows-10-and-office-365-more-accessible-our-path-forward/>

Accessibility Update for Windows 10 Mail
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/02/01/accessibility-update-for-windows-10-mail/>

Accessibility and the Windows 10 Free Upgrade
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/06/accessibility-and-the-windows-10-free-upgrade/>

Microsoft Edge

Ensuring high-quality browser accessibility with automation
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/26/new-edge-blog-ensuring-high-quality-browser-accessibility-with-automation/>

Building a more accessible user experience with HTML5 and UIA
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/05/13/new-edge-blog-building-a-more-accessible-user-experience-with-html5-and-uia/>

Building a More Accessible Web Platform
<https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2016/04/21/building-a-more-accessible-web-platform/>

Developers

Accessibility Design guidelines
<https://msdn.microsoft.com/windows/uwp/accessibility/accessibility-overview>

Accessibility Developer Hub
<https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/accessible-apps>

















Re: Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Carlos
 

I honestly can't understand why some people have such a narrow definition of the word technology.  The word technology is not a synonym for computer.  While I can understand that is usually the primary interest of discussion on such lists, I figured there were enough lists which exclusively discuss computer technology that trying to keep this list a bit more flexible wouldn't be considered unreasonable.

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Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Hi there Folks!

Wonder what this topic has to do with technology and accessibility? To my knowledge they do not make a gun with any sort of blindness technology-or do they..? I really do wish we could get this list back on topic and leave the gun talk to the chat list.  Personally I am 60 years old and have never owned a gun-and probably never will.  If I were to own a gun it would be somethihng like a shotgun so that if I actually had to shoot at someone in self defense, I might have a chance of hitting them.  We really don't need a bunch of Barney Fifes shooting themselves in the foot<SMILE!>.          I know there are folks out there who use guns responsibly and that is most of them.

  But I wonder just how many gun owners are blind or legally blind? Anyone no any stats on that?  Have A Good 1! de
<KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>.
On 02-Jul-16 12:32, James Bentley wrote:
What's insane is that the general public can purchase a version of this sniper rifle that hits a very small target at over half a mile.

Yikes,  I think I will just stay in the house with the blinds drrawn.



-----Original Message----- From: Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 11:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Wow! that is freakin insane!

JR

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

The United States military has a computerized rifle and scope combination.
It first takes a photo of the entire target area.  Next, the shooter uses a
cursor on a touch screen to tell the computer where to put the bullet.
Next, the shooter aims at the target.  The computer fires the rifle only
when it sees that the rifle is aimed with pin point accuracy.  3 inch
Targets can be hit accurately at distances over two miles.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

Finally, a relevant informative post. Thank you for contributing to my small
pool of knowledge. :)

And while on the subject matter, I'm thinking an audio beep of some sort
might be able to alert the blind shooter than the object of interest is
within the cross hairs of scope. Key will be determining what is target
object and what is some sort of artifact.

JR

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joe
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Gun Technique, Hunting and Technology

There is now what some are calling a smart rifle, out of Texas. At $25,000,
it's beyond the reach of most enthusiasts, but it can fetch that price for
the level of precision it can automatically adjust to help the shooter
acquire a target. If technology has leaped that far, one can almost wonder
what credit, if any, the shooter gets, but my question is this: What
technology have the hunters among us used to rely a little less on sighted
assistance? I go deer hunting, but thus far I have leaned heavily on
discrete cues from sighted companions to know where and when to fire. It's
not a bad method. I've brought down three bucks in this fashion, and while
hunting can often be enjoyed with companions, it would be nice to
independently, but responsibly, engage and execute the target myself. Right
now I use a laser to help my sighted companions get a better sense of where
I am aiming. This allows me to hold and operate the rifle on my own, but
again, it feels inefficient. Any tips would be welcomed.

I'll note that while I am a member of a local shooting range, I have
hesitated to obtain a gun permit. I understand my shooting would be optimal
at very close range, but the risk of hitting someone innocent, however
small, still weighs on my conscience.

I realize for some the discussion of guns and hunting could be abhorrent. If
so, feel free to email me off list. For whatever it's worth, I eat what I
kill. I've never gone hunting for the mere sport. I've learned how to skin
my own kill, and I suppose one could argue the knife skill in doing so could
itself be viewed as a form of technology skill.

Not to stray too far off topic here, but any number of disasters could occur
in our lifetime and in our own backyard. In a scenario with no power and
extensive food shortage, that Windows machine isn't going to be worth a
whole lot except for maybe scrap metal. Our definition of "technology" just
might revert to what technology used to be. That is, the means to survive.

Best,

Joe

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