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locked Re: warning if you doing business

Laz
 

Our price for the Victor Reader Stream is $359.99 and of course no tax
or shipping charges inside the US unless you're in florida where I
wuld have to charge you for FL tax. Before we go into how you would
pay we'll take this off the list, so my next message to you will be
private.

Laz

On 3/5/20, jan howells via Groups.Io <gale7978=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
How much is the Victor Reader Trek, and how do I begin to pay
you? I think that I was confusing you with Radio Shack. My
roommate put a stereo on lay away that she bought me back in
1979. I get paid on the third of each month. Is there a way
that I could have you automatically take the fixed payment out
each month from my bank account? Or would you want me to pay you
through Cash App, or Apple Pay, or Zelle? Please let me know how
I can begin to pay. Thank you.

Jan Howells



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locked Re: warning if you doing business

Dave
 

I'll do Business with any Company that gives me good service, and gets
me the items I purchased in a quick delivery.


I don't mind at all paying for Shipping.  It is part of having them
package up the item, wrap it, put postage on it, and then have the
postal service come by and pick it up.  So, Shipping charges are expected.


I've never used Free Matter for the blind, and probably won't, only
because for the kinds of things I order, shipping is next to nothing.


Now if I am looking at something on Ebay, and the Seller wants $75 for
shipping when Shipping should be $20, I won't Bid on that item.


The Seller is attempting to pay less Fees to Ebay, and if they are
willing to cheat ebay out of what they have coming to them, then should
I be surprised if they cheat me, if they have the opportunity?



I just don't let some Stranger selling something, maybe from far far
away, cheat me in some way.


Grumpy Dave


Re: Looking for a Full Featured dictionary to load on my System

Gene
 

The first thing to do is to try the program.  Either it will work or it won't.  The person shouldn't assume.
 
If the program doesn't work and the person wants more information because Word web won't be satisfactory, please ask how he intends to use the dictionary.  When someone uses a broad term like "full featured" I had no idea if the person means what the term seems to mean or whether the person is just using a term that sounds good and that the person thinks will cover anything. 
 
I also see no reason why anything more than Word Web and, if more information is needed about a certain word, access to a site like dictionary.com would be needed.  In the nineties, maybe a dictionary program that is more capable than Word Web might have been desired by some blind users.  I see no reason now, with the Internet being ubiquitous and sites like dictionary.com being available along with Word Web for quickly looking up workds for definitions. 
 
I don't remember when, if ever, I last saw a request for a full dictionary program such as the full Webster's dictionary. 
 
Also, Word Web can be tried for something like a month for free without the person deciding whether to continue to use the free version or pay for it. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Looking for a Full Featured dictionary to load on my System

Hello Gene,


Sorry, was only posting the request for a Full Featured Dictionary, for
another blind individual who uses a Computer, but doesn't belong to any
Lists such as this one.


Their worry was that if they went out and bought some program off the
Web some where, they would find out it would not work with Jaws, or it
would not be a Full Featured dictionary.  So I posted what they asked.


a Million years ago, they used a Webster's dictionary that was on a CD. 
It worked and ran fine in Win XP.  However, as of two weeks ago, they
now have Win 10, and is experiencing the many changes between the two
Operating Systems, and that few of their Old Software works in Win 10. 
thus their Search for something Newer to replace the old.


by Full Featured, I imagine they are hoping for as many features as
possible, and for the Dictionary to not be a smaller Pocket Dictionary
with fewer Words, Synonyms, Thesaurus, and Etymology.



They are also looking for a replacement program to Play their many MP3
files.


I've told them about VLC, but they are willing to pay for some other
software if it would work better.



Thanks again,


Grumpy Dave






locked Re: warning if you doing business

jan howells <gale7978@...>
 

How much is the Victor Reader Trek, and how do I begin to pay you? I think that I was confusing you with Radio Shack. My roommate put a stereo on lay away that she bought me back in 1979. I get paid on the third of each month. Is there a way that I could have you automatically take the fixed payment out each month from my bank account? Or would you want me to pay you through Cash App, or Apple Pay, or Zelle? Please let me know how I can begin to pay. Thank you.

Jan Howells


locked Re: warning if you doing business

Carolyn Arnold
 

The problem is that the Victor Stream costs the merchant more than $200.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 6:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business

You just proved my point that you don't care. Blind people just don't have 200 dollars we need payments for much than that. Free mater is not the problem thats just an excuse not to use it. That could happen if it is used or not and it does. I exper better than this from somone who isblind. If somthing is able to be sent by free mater than it should be. I would never spend 1,000 dollars for an iphone I just have a basic phone that I make my monthly payments on. For the record 200 dollars would be about a third of the monthly income of the blind so thats is taking advantage of the blind. What about braille? If somone requested braille would you provide it? If not than you are no better than all of the rest of the other companies. We need braille and not audio.

Brian Sackrider

On 3/5/2020 5:57 PM, Laz wrote:
I do operate my own business and would not use free matter for the
blind under any circumstances. Instead I use the USPS and pay for the
postage myself, except on international orders but I do subsidize the
international postage as well.

I had too many experiences before I started my business when I did use
free matter for the blind personally, of packages getting lost,
packages coming back postage due, etc, that I decided I would never
use it in my business.

In answer to someone else's comments in this thread about
blindbusinesses not caring about blind people or offering payment
plans, we do offer lay-away plans but only for orders totaling $200 or
more such as for a Victor Reader Stream, Victor Reader Trek, etc.

I am blind, am not rich by any stretch of the imagination, and I do care.

Laz

On 3/5/20, Dave Mitchel <dbmitchel@...> wrote:
the government pays for free matter. that is not or does not include
things you pay for as it is free matter.
if I am selling you or anyone else I cannot send that free matter as
it is not free but has been paid for.

From: brian
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 1:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business

We should not do business with any company that will not mail
out products that do qualafy for free matter. Tell them that they
don't then we will go else whear. If companies can't deal with the
cost of doing business then they don't belong in business. It's bad
enough when companies that sell products for the blind refuse to
provide us with accessable meterials such as manuals and catalogs.
They all do this and neither Acb or Nfb are doing anything about
this. They just don't care about real world problems of the blind
they are a very big joke. They have always been and will always will
be. Companies that sell products for the blind are proving that they
really don't care about the needs of the blind they just want our
money. They are taking advantage of and they should all be very
ashamed of themselves. What a big scam? They just can't comprehend
that the majority of theblind are either unimployed living on ssi or
ssdi income that barly pays for your monthly living expensive. There
is very little room for expensive products in their budgets. Thats
just reality but they will never comprehend that. How many companies
that sell products for the blind offer any monthly payment plans?
They want full payment and thats just not possible. When I first applied to my local lions club for a reading machine they told me that it would take their whole anual budget just to pay for it.
This prevents the blind from achieving the independence that the
blind truly want and they could care less. I am not saying that we
should get somthing for nothing but just work with us and charge a
more reasonable price for their products. Offer monthly payment
plans and they will sell more products. They have no business sinse.
There is a double standard here. If we request braille we are told
that the cost is to high and only
10 percent of blind people read braille anyway. On the other hand
they ignore the 70-80 unimployment rate of the blind and expect us to pay money
that we don't have. They are very selish and very inconciterate of our
needs the very people they claim to be in business for. I know that
nothing will probably ever change unless the blind community as a
whole demand change. I doubt that will ever happen you just can't
getthe blind to unite on any issue. Just some food for thought for what's werth.

Brian Sackrider


On 3/5/2020 4:04 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

If I operated a business, I probably would not send stuff out free matter.
Did you have an agreement that they would send it out free matter?
Did you get anything in writing saying this?

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 1:01 PM heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

No it was not a restocking fee. They charged me for something
that could have been sent free matter. So if one orders something
from them, be prepared! That is all I am going to say on the subject!
Heather



From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business



I don't know if your message is a valid warning. Are users told
in some sort of straightforward way that returning something will
involve a restocking fee? I purchase very little and I have returned
nothing. What is customary for those companies that specialize in
dealing with blind purchasers? Do they generally charge a restocking
fee for returns? How much? Is this company within what is customary now?



Aside from that, since all sorts of merchants charge restocking
fees now, is the charge within what is reasonable for merchants in general?
Shipping isn't the question. Restocking fees aren't based on
shipping costs. they are a cost imposed for restocking a returned item.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: heather albright

Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 2:50 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business



Hello, I just want to worn anyone who does business that, this
company does not return all your money even with items that could be
shipped free matter for the blind. So LoganTech.

Proxtalker, be warned and go else where! Heather







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sudddenly getting tons of spam

Troy Burnham
 

Hi all,

I use thunderbird as my e-mail client and gmail for e-mail, and over the last several days I've suddenly started noticing mail going to my spam folder in thunderbird that never went there before. There is a lot of legitimate spam, but also a friend of mine's e-mail is also going into the spam folder and her e-mail is in my address book.

Actually I've only seen one e-mail from my friend in my spam folder and the subject line was just medication so that might've been why it ended up there, but I've e-mailed her a few times this week and haven't seen any replies so I'm wondering now if she replied and her messages were going to spam and I didn't realize it because it was mixed in with all of the legitimate spam I've been getting and just selecting and deleting.

My question is, is there anything I can change either in thunderbird or in my account on gmail.com to get rid of the legitimate spamand to make e-mail that should be going to my inbox to go there instead of into my spam folder?

Thanks.

Troy


locked Re: warning if you doing business

Carolyn Arnold
 

True, Laz. You do not charge shipping, a real plus.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laz
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 5:57 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business

I do operate my own business and would not use free matter for the blind under any circumstances. Instead I use the USPS and pay for the postage myself, except on international orders but I do subsidize the international postage as well.

I had too many experiences before I started my business when I did use free matter for the blind personally, of packages getting lost, packages coming back postage due, etc, that I decided I would never use it in my business.

In answer to someone else's comments in this thread about blindbusinesses not caring about blind people or offering payment plans, we do offer lay-away plans but only for orders totaling $200 or more such as for a Victor Reader Stream, Victor Reader Trek, etc.

I am blind, am not rich by any stretch of the imagination, and I do care.

Laz

On 3/5/20, Dave Mitchel <dbmitchel@...> wrote:
the government pays for free matter. that is not or does not include
things you pay for as it is free matter.
if I am selling you or anyone else I cannot send that free matter as
it is not free but has been paid for.

From: brian
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 1:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business

We should not do business with any company that will not mail out
products that do qualafy for free matter. Tell them that they don't
then we will go else whear. If companies can't deal with the cost of
doing business then they don't belong in business. It's bad enough
when companies that sell products for the blind refuse to provide us
with accessable meterials such as manuals and catalogs. They all do
this and neither Acb or Nfb are doing anything about this. They just
don't care about real world problems of the blind they are a very big
joke. They have always been and will always will be. Companies that
sell products for the blind are proving that they really don't care
about the needs of the blind they just want our money. They are
taking advantage of and they should all be very ashamed of themselves.
What a big scam? They just can't comprehend that the majority of
theblind are either unimployed living on ssi or ssdi income that barly
pays for your monthly living expensive. There is very little room for
expensive products in their budgets. Thats just reality but they will
never comprehend that. How many companies that sell products for the
blind offer any monthly payment plans? They want full payment and
thats just not possible. When I first applied to my local lions club for a reading machine they told me that it would take their whole anual budget just to pay for it.
This prevents the blind from achieving the independence that the
blind truly want and they could care less. I am not saying that we
should get somthing for nothing but just work with us and charge a
more reasonable price for their products. Offer monthly payment plans
and they will sell more products. They have no business sinse. There
is a double standard here. If we request braille we are told that the
cost is to high and only
10 percent of blind people read braille anyway. On the other hand
they ignore the 70-80 unimployment rate of the blind and expect us to pay money
that we don't have. They are very selish and very inconciterate of our
needs the very people they claim to be in business for. I know that
nothing will probably ever change unless the blind community as a
whole demand change. I doubt that will ever happen you just can't
getthe blind to unite on any issue. Just some food for thought for what's werth.

Brian Sackrider


On 3/5/2020 4:04 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

If I operated a business, I probably would not send stuff out free matter.
Did you have an agreement that they would send it out free matter? Did
you get anything in writing saying this?

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 1:01 PM heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

No it was not a restocking fee. They charged me for something that
could have been sent free matter. So if one orders something from
them, be prepared! That is all I am going to say on the subject!
Heather



From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business



I don't know if your message is a valid warning. Are users told
in some sort of straightforward way that returning something will
involve a restocking fee? I purchase very little and I have returned
nothing. What is customary for those companies that specialize in
dealing with blind purchasers? Do they generally charge a restocking
fee for returns? How much? Is this company within what is customary now?



Aside from that, since all sorts of merchants charge restocking
fees now, is the charge within what is reasonable for merchants in general?
Shipping isn't the question. Restocking fees aren't based on shipping
costs. they are a cost imposed for restocking a returned item.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: heather albright

Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 2:50 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business



Hello, I just want to worn anyone who does business that, this
company does not return all your money even with items that could be
shipped free matter for the blind. So LoganTech.

Proxtalker, be warned and go else where! Heather







--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

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addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
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locked Re: warning if you doing business

Laz
 

Of course Jan. Each customer pays what they can, when they can. I keep
track of the payments and when the total price is reached, out goes
the package.

However I believe you're confusing me with another blind business
owned by someone else. We do not rip you off if you don't complete
your payments. I have yet to determine if I should charge anything for
the work involved in keeping track of the payments but it would not be
anywhere near all the money the customer has paid on the lay-away plan
as that would be very criminal. Perhaps 5 or 10 bucks depending on how
much work I had to do.

Regards,

Laz

On 3/5/20, jan howells via Groups.Io <gale7978=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Laz,

Would I be able to pay say $50 a month? I understand that you do
not send the equipment until paid off. If I were not to pay, I
would lose what I have paid plus the equipment. I have forgotten
how much the unit is. Perhaps I would pay more.

Jan



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Bluetooth devices, and accessories
http://www.talkingmp3players.com/
Email: laz@...
Phone: 727-498-0121
Skype: lazmesa
Personal Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/laz.mesa
Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/Talkingmp3players?_rdr


locked Re: warning if you doing business

jan howells <gale7978@...>
 

Hi Laz,

Would I be able to pay say $50 a month? I understand that you do not send the equipment until paid off. If I were not to pay, I would lose what I have paid plus the equipment. I have forgotten how much the unit is. Perhaps I would pay more.

Jan


locked Re: warning if you doing business

Laz
 

And with that, we all now have a better idea of what this person is
like. No matter what anyone says he will continue to come up with
negative commentary and personal attacks.

Ah well,

Laz

On 3/5/20, brian <bsackrider55@...> wrote:
You just proved my point that you don't care. Blind people just
don't have 200 dollars we need payments for much than that. Free mater
is not the problem thats just an excuse not to use it. That could happen
if it is used or not and it does. I exper better than this from somone
who isblind. If somthing is able to be sent by free mater than it
should be. I would never spend 1,000 dollars for an iphone I just have
a basic phone that I make my monthly payments on. For the record 200
dollars would be about a third of the monthly income of the blind so
thats is taking advantage of the blind. What about braille? If somone
requested braille would you provide it? If not than you are no better
than all of the rest of the other companies. We need braille and not
audio.

Brian Sackrider

On 3/5/2020 5:57 PM, Laz wrote:
I do operate my own business and would not use free matter for the
blind under any circumstances. Instead I use the USPS and pay for the
postage myself, except on international orders but I do subsidize the
international postage as well.

I had too many experiences before I started my business when I did use
free matter for the blind personally, of packages getting lost,
packages coming back postage due, etc, that I decided I would never
use it in my business.

In answer to someone else's comments in this thread about
blindbusinesses not caring about blind people or offering payment
plans, we do offer lay-away plans but only for orders totaling $200 or
more such as for a Victor Reader Stream, Victor Reader Trek, etc.

I am blind, am not rich by any stretch of the imagination, and I do care.

Laz

On 3/5/20, Dave Mitchel <dbmitchel@...> wrote:
the government pays for free matter. that is not or does not include
things
you pay for as it is free matter.
if I am selling you or anyone else I cannot send that free matter as it
is
not free but has been paid for.

From: brian
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 1:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business

We should not do business with any company that will not mail out
products that do qualafy for free matter. Tell them that they don't then
we
will go else whear. If companies can't deal with the cost of doing
business
then they don't belong in business. It's bad enough when companies that
sell products for the blind refuse to provide us with accessable
meterials
such as manuals and catalogs. They all do this and neither Acb or Nfb
are
doing anything about this. They just don't care about real world
problems
of the blind they are a very big joke. They have always been and will
always will be. Companies that sell products for the blind are proving
that
they really don't care about the needs of the blind they just want our
money. They are taking advantage of and they should all be very ashamed
of
themselves. What a big scam? They just can't comprehend that the
majority
of theblind are either unimployed living on ssi or ssdi income that
barly
pays for your monthly living expensive. There is very little room for
expensive products in their budgets. Thats just reality but they will
never
comprehend that. How many companies that sell products for the blind
offer
any monthly payment plans? They want full payment and thats just not
possible. When I first applied to my local lions club for a reading
machine
they told me that it would take their whole anual budget just to pay for
it.
This prevents the blind from achieving the independence that the blind
truly want and they could care less. I am not saying that we should get
somthing for nothing but just work with us and charge a more reasonable
price for their products. Offer monthly payment plans and they will
sell
more products. They have no business sinse. There is a double standard
here. If we request braille we are told that the cost is to high and
only
10 percent of blind people read braille anyway. On the other hand they
ignore the 70-80 unimployment rate of the blind and expect us to pay
money
that we don't have. They are very selish and very inconciterate of our
needs the very people they claim to be in business for. I know that
nothing
will probably ever change unless the blind community as a whole demand
change. I doubt that will ever happen you just can't getthe blind to
unite
on any issue. Just some food for thought for what's werth.

Brian Sackrider


On 3/5/2020 4:04 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

If I operated a business, I probably would not send stuff out free
matter.
Did you have an agreement that they would send it out free matter? Did
you
get anything in writing saying this?

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 1:01 PM heather albright <kd5cbl@...>
wrote:

No it was not a restocking fee. They charged me for something that
could
have been sent free matter. So if one orders something from them, be
prepared! That is all I am going to say on the subject! Heather



From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business



I don't know if your message is a valid warning. Are users told in
some
sort of straightforward way that returning something will involve a
restocking fee? I purchase very little and I have returned nothing.
What
is customary for those companies that specialize in dealing with blind
purchasers? Do they generally charge a restocking fee for returns? How
much? Is this company within what is customary now?



Aside from that, since all sorts of merchants charge restocking
fees
now, is the charge within what is reasonable for merchants in general?
Shipping isn't the question. Restocking fees aren't based on shipping
costs. they are a cost imposed for restocking a returned item.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: heather albright

Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 2:50 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business



Hello, I just want to worn anyone who does business that, this
company
does not return all your money even with items that could be shipped
free
matter for the blind. So LoganTech.

Proxtalker, be warned and go else where! Heather







--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its
contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine
is
up to you. Thanks.

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
and above, please click here:
http://www.nvda-project.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at
(970)
(393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank
you, and have a great day!






--
Affordably priced Accessible Talking MP3 Players, Accessible phones,
Bluetooth devices, and accessories
http://www.talkingmp3players.com/
Email: laz@...
Phone: 727-498-0121
Skype: lazmesa
Personal Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/laz.mesa
Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/Talkingmp3players?_rdr


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Laz
 

Hi Jan, That of course would depend on your finances and how soon you
wanted to pay it off.

I work with the customer and their nees and wants so each customer
determines how much and how often their payments get made.

Regards,

Laz

On 3/5/20, jan howells via Groups.Io <gale7978=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Laz,

How much would I have to pay a month to put a Victor Reader Trek
on lay away? How many months would I have?

Jan Howells



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Re: Looking for a Full Featured dictionary to load on my System

Dave
 

Hello Gene,


Sorry, was only posting the request for a Full Featured Dictionary, for
another blind individual who uses a Computer, but doesn't belong to any
Lists such as this one.


Their worry was that if they went out and bought some program off the
Web some where, they would find out it would not work with Jaws, or it
would not be a Full Featured dictionary.  So I posted what they asked.


a Million years ago, they used a Webster's dictionary that was on a CD. 
It worked and ran fine in Win XP.  However, as of two weeks ago, they
now have Win 10, and is experiencing the many changes between the two
Operating Systems, and that few of their Old Software works in Win 10. 
thus their Search for something Newer to replace the old.


by Full Featured, I imagine they are hoping for as many features as
possible, and for the Dictionary to not be a smaller Pocket Dictionary
with fewer Words, Synonyms, Thesaurus, and Etymology.



They are also looking for a replacement program to Play their many MP3
files.


I've told them about VLC, but they are willing to pay for some other
software if it would work better.



Thanks again,


Grumpy Dave


locked Re: warning if you doing business

brian
 

You just proved my point that you don't care.  Blind people just don't have 200 dollars we need payments for much than that. Free mater is not the problem thats just an excuse not to use it. That could happen if it is used or not and it does.  I exper better than this from somone who isblind.  If somthing is able to be sent by free mater than it should be.  I would never spend 1,000 dollars for an iphone I just have a basic phone that I make my monthly payments on.  For the record 200 dollars would be about a third of the monthly income of the blind so thats is taking advantage of the blind.  What about braille?  If somone requested braille would you provide it?  If not than you are no better than all of the rest of the other companies.  We need braille and not audio.

Brian Sackrider

On 3/5/2020 5:57 PM, Laz wrote:
I do operate my own business and would not use free matter for the
blind under any circumstances. Instead I use the USPS and pay for the
postage myself, except on international orders but I do subsidize the
international postage as well.

I had too many experiences before I started my business when I did use
free matter for the blind personally, of packages getting lost,
packages coming back postage due, etc, that I decided I would never
use it in my business.

In answer to someone else's comments in this thread about
blindbusinesses not caring about blind people or offering payment
plans, we do offer lay-away plans but only for orders totaling $200 or
more such as for a Victor Reader Stream, Victor Reader Trek, etc.

I am blind, am not rich by any stretch of the imagination, and I do care.

Laz

On 3/5/20, Dave Mitchel <dbmitchel@...> wrote:
the government pays for free matter. that is not or does not include things
you pay for as it is free matter.
if I am selling you or anyone else I cannot send that free matter as it is
not free but has been paid for.

From: brian
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 1:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business

We should not do business with any company that will not mail out
products that do qualafy for free matter. Tell them that they don't then we
will go else whear. If companies can't deal with the cost of doing business
then they don't belong in business. It's bad enough when companies that
sell products for the blind refuse to provide us with accessable meterials
such as manuals and catalogs. They all do this and neither Acb or Nfb are
doing anything about this. They just don't care about real world problems
of the blind they are a very big joke. They have always been and will
always will be. Companies that sell products for the blind are proving that
they really don't care about the needs of the blind they just want our
money. They are taking advantage of and they should all be very ashamed of
themselves. What a big scam? They just can't comprehend that the majority
of theblind are either unimployed living on ssi or ssdi income that barly
pays for your monthly living expensive. There is very little room for
expensive products in their budgets. Thats just reality but they will never
comprehend that. How many companies that sell products for the blind offer
any monthly payment plans? They want full payment and thats just not
possible. When I first applied to my local lions club for a reading machine
they told me that it would take their whole anual budget just to pay for it.
This prevents the blind from achieving the independence that the blind
truly want and they could care less. I am not saying that we should get
somthing for nothing but just work with us and charge a more reasonable
price for their products. Offer monthly payment plans and they will sell
more products. They have no business sinse. There is a double standard
here. If we request braille we are told that the cost is to high and only
10 percent of blind people read braille anyway. On the other hand they
ignore the 70-80 unimployment rate of the blind and expect us to pay money
that we don't have. They are very selish and very inconciterate of our
needs the very people they claim to be in business for. I know that nothing
will probably ever change unless the blind community as a whole demand
change. I doubt that will ever happen you just can't getthe blind to unite
on any issue. Just some food for thought for what's werth.

Brian Sackrider


On 3/5/2020 4:04 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

If I operated a business, I probably would not send stuff out free matter.
Did you have an agreement that they would send it out free matter? Did you
get anything in writing saying this?

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 1:01 PM heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

No it was not a restocking fee. They charged me for something that could
have been sent free matter. So if one orders something from them, be
prepared! That is all I am going to say on the subject! Heather



From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business



I don't know if your message is a valid warning. Are users told in some
sort of straightforward way that returning something will involve a
restocking fee? I purchase very little and I have returned nothing. What
is customary for those companies that specialize in dealing with blind
purchasers? Do they generally charge a restocking fee for returns? How
much? Is this company within what is customary now?



Aside from that, since all sorts of merchants charge restocking fees
now, is the charge within what is reasonable for merchants in general?
Shipping isn't the question. Restocking fees aren't based on shipping
costs. they are a cost imposed for restocking a returned item.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: heather albright

Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 2:50 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business



Hello, I just want to worn anyone who does business that, this company
does not return all your money even with items that could be shipped free
matter for the blind. So LoganTech.

Proxtalker, be warned and go else where! Heather







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locked Re: warning if you doing business

jan howells <gale7978@...>
 

Hi Laz,

How much would I have to pay a month to put a Victor Reader Trek on lay away? How many months would I have?

Jan Howells


locked Re: warning if you doing business

Gene
 

it isn't a question of the Feds pressing the question.  You can send books and equipment.  You can send Braille writers and slates, you can send cassette recorders, I would imagine you can send computers if they are delivered to blind people.  You can even insure free matter for the blind. 
 
I can't comment on delivery problems or how long it may take to receive packages,  I'm saying that those are the problems that are relevant, such as Laas is discussing.  But a lot of items can be sent free matter.  the government doesn't reimburse the post office for every item.  there is a certain amount of money in the budget to offset the general cost of material sent free matter in a year.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business

Oh Laz, you are worth billions last I heard. lol
I have had boxes delivered that were totally destroyed when sent free
matter. it's a minimal cost to send things paid in comparison to what it
could cost in damages and fines if the feds decided to really press the
issue of free matter for the blind.


-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:57 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business

I do operate my own business and would not use free matter for the
blind under any circumstances. Instead I use the USPS and pay for the
postage myself, except on international orders but I do subsidize the
international postage as well.

I had too many experiences before I started my business when I did use
free matter for the blind personally, of packages getting lost,
packages coming back postage due, etc, that I decided I would never
use it in my business.

In answer to someone else's comments in this thread about
blindbusinesses not caring about blind people or offering payment
plans, we do offer lay-away plans but only for orders totaling $200 or
more such as for a Victor Reader Stream, Victor Reader Trek, etc.

I am blind, am not rich by any stretch of the imagination, and I do care.

Laz

On 3/5/20, Dave Mitchel <dbmitchel@...> wrote:
> the government pays for free matter. that is not or does not include
> things
> you pay for as it is free matter.
> if I am selling you or anyone else I cannot send that free matter as it is
> not free but has been paid for.
>
> From: brian
> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 1:55 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business
>
>     We should not do business with any company that will not mail out
> products that do qualafy for free matter.  Tell them that they don't then
> we
> will go else whear.  If companies can't deal with the cost of doing
> business
> then they don't belong in business.  It's bad enough when companies that
> sell products for the blind refuse to provide us with accessable meterials
> such as manuals and catalogs.  They all do this and neither Acb or Nfb are
> doing anything about this.  They just don't care about real world problems
> of the blind they are a very big joke.  They have always been and will
> always will be.  Companies that sell products for the blind are proving
> that
> they really don't care about the needs of the blind they just want our
> money.  They are taking advantage of and they should all be very ashamed
> of
> themselves.  What a big scam?  They just can't comprehend that the
> majority
> of theblind are either unimployed living on ssi or ssdi income that barly
> pays for your monthly living expensive.  There is very little room for
> expensive products in their budgets.  Thats just reality but they will
> never
> comprehend that.  How many companies that sell products for the blind
> offer
> any monthly payment plans?  They want full payment and thats just not
> possible.  When I first applied to my local lions club for a reading
> machine
> they told me that it would take their whole anual budget just to pay for
> it.
>  This prevents the blind from achieving the independence that the blind
> truly want and they could care less.  I am not saying that we should get
> somthing for nothing but just work with us and charge a more reasonable
> price for their products.  Offer monthly payment plans and they will sell
> more products.  They have no business sinse.  There is a double standard
> here.  If we request braille we are told that the cost is to high and only
> 10 percent of blind people read braille anyway.  On the other hand they
> ignore the 70-80 unimployment rate of the blind and expect us to pay money
> that we don't have.   They are very selish and very inconciterate of our
> needs the very people they claim to be in business for.  I know that
> nothing
> will probably ever change unless the blind community as a whole demand
> change.  I doubt that will ever happen you just can't getthe blind to
> unite
> on any issue.  Just some food for thought for what's werth.
>
> Brian Sackrider
>
>
> On 3/5/2020 4:04 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>
>   If I operated a business, I probably would not send stuff out free
> matter.
> Did you have an agreement that they would send it out free matter? Did you
> get anything in writing saying this?
>
>   On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 1:01 PM heather albright <kd5cbl@...>
> wrote:
>
>     No it was not a restocking fee. They charged me for something that
> could
> have been sent free matter. So if one orders something from them, be
> prepared! That is all I am going to say on the subject! Heather
>
>
>
>     From: Gene
>     Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:58 PM
>     To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>     Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business
>
>
>
>     I don't know if your message is a valid warning.  Are users told in
> some
> sort of straightforward way that returning something will involve a
> restocking fee?  I purchase very little and I have returned nothing.  What
> is customary for those companies that specialize in dealing with blind
> purchasers?  Do they generally charge a restocking fee for returns?  How
> much?  Is this company within what is customary now?
>
>
>
>     Aside from that, since all sorts of merchants charge restocking fees
> now, is the charge within what is reasonable for merchants in general?
> Shipping isn't the question.  Restocking fees aren't based on shipping
> costs.  they are a cost imposed for restocking a returned item.
>
>
>
>     Gene
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     From: heather albright
>
>     Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 2:50 PM
>
>     To: TechTalk@groups.io
>
>     Subject: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business
>
>
>
>     Hello, I just want to worn anyone who does business that, this company
> does not return all your money even with items that could be shipped free
> matter for the blind. So LoganTech.
>
>     Proxtalker, be warned and go else where! Heather
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   --
>
>   Best,
>
>   Nimer Jaber
>
>   The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
>   addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
>   please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
>   correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
>   by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
>   criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
>   attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
>   up to you. Thanks.
>
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> (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank
>   you, and have a great day!
>
>
>
>
>


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locked Re: warning if you doing business

Dave Mitchel
 

Oh Laz, you are worth billions last I heard. lol
I have had boxes delivered that were totally destroyed when sent free matter. it's a minimal cost to send things paid in comparison to what it could cost in damages and fines if the feds decided to really press the issue of free matter for the blind.

-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:57 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business

I do operate my own business and would not use free matter for the
blind under any circumstances. Instead I use the USPS and pay for the
postage myself, except on international orders but I do subsidize the
international postage as well.

I had too many experiences before I started my business when I did use
free matter for the blind personally, of packages getting lost,
packages coming back postage due, etc, that I decided I would never
use it in my business.

In answer to someone else's comments in this thread about
blindbusinesses not caring about blind people or offering payment
plans, we do offer lay-away plans but only for orders totaling $200 or
more such as for a Victor Reader Stream, Victor Reader Trek, etc.

I am blind, am not rich by any stretch of the imagination, and I do care.

Laz

On 3/5/20, Dave Mitchel <dbmitchel@...> wrote:
the government pays for free matter. that is not or does not include things
you pay for as it is free matter.
if I am selling you or anyone else I cannot send that free matter as it is
not free but has been paid for.

From: brian
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 1:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business

We should not do business with any company that will not mail out
products that do qualafy for free matter. Tell them that they don't then we
will go else whear. If companies can't deal with the cost of doing business
then they don't belong in business. It's bad enough when companies that
sell products for the blind refuse to provide us with accessable meterials
such as manuals and catalogs. They all do this and neither Acb or Nfb are
doing anything about this. They just don't care about real world problems
of the blind they are a very big joke. They have always been and will
always will be. Companies that sell products for the blind are proving that
they really don't care about the needs of the blind they just want our
money. They are taking advantage of and they should all be very ashamed of
themselves. What a big scam? They just can't comprehend that the majority
of theblind are either unimployed living on ssi or ssdi income that barly
pays for your monthly living expensive. There is very little room for
expensive products in their budgets. Thats just reality but they will never
comprehend that. How many companies that sell products for the blind offer
any monthly payment plans? They want full payment and thats just not
possible. When I first applied to my local lions club for a reading machine
they told me that it would take their whole anual budget just to pay for it.
This prevents the blind from achieving the independence that the blind
truly want and they could care less. I am not saying that we should get
somthing for nothing but just work with us and charge a more reasonable
price for their products. Offer monthly payment plans and they will sell
more products. They have no business sinse. There is a double standard
here. If we request braille we are told that the cost is to high and only
10 percent of blind people read braille anyway. On the other hand they
ignore the 70-80 unimployment rate of the blind and expect us to pay money
that we don't have. They are very selish and very inconciterate of our
needs the very people they claim to be in business for. I know that nothing
will probably ever change unless the blind community as a whole demand
change. I doubt that will ever happen you just can't getthe blind to unite
on any issue. Just some food for thought for what's werth.

Brian Sackrider


On 3/5/2020 4:04 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

If I operated a business, I probably would not send stuff out free matter.
Did you have an agreement that they would send it out free matter? Did you
get anything in writing saying this?

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 1:01 PM heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

No it was not a restocking fee. They charged me for something that could
have been sent free matter. So if one orders something from them, be
prepared! That is all I am going to say on the subject! Heather



From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business



I don't know if your message is a valid warning. Are users told in some
sort of straightforward way that returning something will involve a
restocking fee? I purchase very little and I have returned nothing. What
is customary for those companies that specialize in dealing with blind
purchasers? Do they generally charge a restocking fee for returns? How
much? Is this company within what is customary now?



Aside from that, since all sorts of merchants charge restocking fees
now, is the charge within what is reasonable for merchants in general?
Shipping isn't the question. Restocking fees aren't based on shipping
costs. they are a cost imposed for restocking a returned item.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: heather albright

Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 2:50 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business



Hello, I just want to worn anyone who does business that, this company
does not return all your money even with items that could be shipped free
matter for the blind. So LoganTech.

Proxtalker, be warned and go else where! Heather







--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
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attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
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http://www.talkingmp3players.com/
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locked Re: warning if you doing business

Laz
 

I do operate my own business and would not use free matter for the
blind under any circumstances. Instead I use the USPS and pay for the
postage myself, except on international orders but I do subsidize the
international postage as well.

I had too many experiences before I started my business when I did use
free matter for the blind personally, of packages getting lost,
packages coming back postage due, etc, that I decided I would never
use it in my business.

In answer to someone else's comments in this thread about
blindbusinesses not caring about blind people or offering payment
plans, we do offer lay-away plans but only for orders totaling $200 or
more such as for a Victor Reader Stream, Victor Reader Trek, etc.

I am blind, am not rich by any stretch of the imagination, and I do care.

Laz

On 3/5/20, Dave Mitchel <dbmitchel@...> wrote:
the government pays for free matter. that is not or does not include things
you pay for as it is free matter.
if I am selling you or anyone else I cannot send that free matter as it is
not free but has been paid for.

From: brian
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 1:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business

We should not do business with any company that will not mail out
products that do qualafy for free matter. Tell them that they don't then we
will go else whear. If companies can't deal with the cost of doing business
then they don't belong in business. It's bad enough when companies that
sell products for the blind refuse to provide us with accessable meterials
such as manuals and catalogs. They all do this and neither Acb or Nfb are
doing anything about this. They just don't care about real world problems
of the blind they are a very big joke. They have always been and will
always will be. Companies that sell products for the blind are proving that
they really don't care about the needs of the blind they just want our
money. They are taking advantage of and they should all be very ashamed of
themselves. What a big scam? They just can't comprehend that the majority
of theblind are either unimployed living on ssi or ssdi income that barly
pays for your monthly living expensive. There is very little room for
expensive products in their budgets. Thats just reality but they will never
comprehend that. How many companies that sell products for the blind offer
any monthly payment plans? They want full payment and thats just not
possible. When I first applied to my local lions club for a reading machine
they told me that it would take their whole anual budget just to pay for it.
This prevents the blind from achieving the independence that the blind
truly want and they could care less. I am not saying that we should get
somthing for nothing but just work with us and charge a more reasonable
price for their products. Offer monthly payment plans and they will sell
more products. They have no business sinse. There is a double standard
here. If we request braille we are told that the cost is to high and only
10 percent of blind people read braille anyway. On the other hand they
ignore the 70-80 unimployment rate of the blind and expect us to pay money
that we don't have. They are very selish and very inconciterate of our
needs the very people they claim to be in business for. I know that nothing
will probably ever change unless the blind community as a whole demand
change. I doubt that will ever happen you just can't getthe blind to unite
on any issue. Just some food for thought for what's werth.

Brian Sackrider


On 3/5/2020 4:04 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

If I operated a business, I probably would not send stuff out free matter.
Did you have an agreement that they would send it out free matter? Did you
get anything in writing saying this?

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 1:01 PM heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

No it was not a restocking fee. They charged me for something that could
have been sent free matter. So if one orders something from them, be
prepared! That is all I am going to say on the subject! Heather



From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business



I don't know if your message is a valid warning. Are users told in some
sort of straightforward way that returning something will involve a
restocking fee? I purchase very little and I have returned nothing. What
is customary for those companies that specialize in dealing with blind
purchasers? Do they generally charge a restocking fee for returns? How
much? Is this company within what is customary now?



Aside from that, since all sorts of merchants charge restocking fees
now, is the charge within what is reasonable for merchants in general?
Shipping isn't the question. Restocking fees aren't based on shipping
costs. they are a cost imposed for restocking a returned item.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: heather albright

Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 2:50 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business



Hello, I just want to worn anyone who does business that, this company
does not return all your money even with items that could be shipped free
matter for the blind. So LoganTech.

Proxtalker, be warned and go else where! Heather







--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
up to you. Thanks.

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

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locked Re: warning if you doing business

Gerald Levy
 


Here's why I have a big problem with your argument.  Sure, blindness merchants take advantage of us blind consumers by charging outrageous prices on many products and then tacking on ridiculously high S&H fees.  But I never hear anyone complain about paying $1000 for an IPhone, perhaps because it is a mainstream product and is the same price for everyone.  And Apple is perceived by many blind consumers as a "wonderful" company that really cares about accessibility, so they can get away with it.  One grand for a freaking telephone that doesn't even have any tactile buttons?  Give me a break.


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On 3/5/2020 4:55 PM, brian wrote:

    We should not do business with any company that will not mail out products that do qualafy for free matter.  Tell them that they don't then we will go else whear.  If companies can't deal with the cost of doing business then they don't belong in business.  It's bad enough when companies that sell products for the blind refuse to provide us with accessable meterials such as manuals and catalogs.  They all do this and neither Acb or Nfb are doing anything about this.  They just don't care about real world problems of the blind they are a very big joke.  They have always been and will always will be.  Companies that sell products for the blind are proving that they really don't care about the needs of the blind they just want our money.  They are taking advantage of and they should all be very ashamed of themselves.  What a big scam?  They just can't comprehend that the majority of theblind are either unimployed living on ssi or ssdi income that barly pays for your monthly living expensive.  There is very little room for expensive products in their budgets.  Thats just reality but they will never comprehend that.  How many companies that sell products for the blind offer any monthly payment plans?  They want full payment and thats just not possible.  When I first applied to my local lions club for a reading machine they told me that it would take their whole anual budget just to pay for it.  This prevents the blind from achieving the independence that the blind truly want and they could care less.  I am not saying that we should get somthing for nothing but just work with us and charge a more reasonable price for their products.  Offer monthly payment plans and they will sell more products.  They have no business sinse.  There is a double standard here.  If we request braille we are told that the cost is to high and only 10 percent of blind people read braille anyway.  On the other hand they ignore the 70-80 unimployment rate of the blind and expect us to pay money that we don't have.   They are very selish and very inconciterate of our needs the very people they claim to be in business for.  I know that nothing will probably ever change unless the blind community as a whole demand change.  I doubt that will ever happen you just can't getthe blind to unite on any issue.  Just some food for thought for what's werth.

Brian Sackrider 

On 3/5/2020 4:04 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
If I operated a business, I probably would not send stuff out free matter. Did you have an agreement that they would send it out free matter? Did you get anything in writing saying this?

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 1:01 PM heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

No it was not a restocking fee. They charged me for something that could have been sent free matter. So if one orders something from them, be prepared! That is all I am going to say on the subject! Heather

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business

 

I don't know if your message is a valid warning.  Are users told in some sort of straightforward way that returning something will involve a restocking fee?  I purchase very little and I have returned nothing.  What is customary for those companies that specialize in dealing with blind purchasers?  Do they generally charge a restocking fee for returns?  How much?  Is this company within what is customary now? 

 

Aside from that, since all sorts of merchants charge restocking fees now, is the charge within what is reasonable for merchants in general?  Shipping isn't the question.  Restocking fees aren't based on shipping costs.  they are a cost imposed for restocking a returned item.

 

Gene

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Subject: [TechTalk] warning if you doing business

 

Hello, I just want to worn anyone who does business that, this company does not return all your money even with items that could be shipped free matter for the blind. So LoganTech.

Proxtalker, be warned and go else where! Heather

 

 



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Re: Looking for a Full Featured dictionary to load on my System

Gene
 

What is wanted?  What do you mean by full featured?  Word web is fine for spelling and definitions.  it isn't full featured.  it doesn't offer etimology.  I don't recall if it offers pronunciation information or syllabification.  I didn't originally answer the question because I don't know what is wanted.  Most people use a dictionary for spelling and definitions.  Full featured means much more than that.
 
Gene

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Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Looking for a Full Featured dictionary to load on my System

WordWeb - Free thesaurus and dictionary
http://www.wordweb.co.uk/free/

works well, not sure if it works with word, but work well alone


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dlh007@...>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:16 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Looking for a Full Featured dictionary to load on my
System


Hello,


I know there are Web sites, and Smart phones where I can go to find
information about Words. But, I want something that installs on my
System, and that will work with Microsoft Word.


Anyone using a full Featured Webster's, or American Heritage Dictionary?


And if you do, I assue it is read by Jaws or NVDA?


thanks for any help,


Grumpy Dave









Re: Looking for a Full Featured dictionary to load on my System

Kerryn Gunness
 

WordWeb - Free thesaurus and dictionary
http://www.wordweb.co.uk/free/

works well, not sure if it works with word, but work well alone

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dlh007@...>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:16 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Looking for a Full Featured dictionary to load on my System


Hello,


I know there are Web sites, and Smart phones where I can go to find
information about Words. But, I want something that installs on my
System, and that will work with Microsoft Word.


Anyone using a full Featured Webster's, or American Heritage Dictionary?


And if you do, I assue it is read by Jaws or NVDA?


thanks for any help,


Grumpy Dave