Date   

locked References to Christ.

Penny Golden
 

Some of us take exception to the discussion of Christ that is going on.

I mean, bash each other, or laud each other, but can't we keep references to Christ out of it, maybe?


Re: Charter account on WLM

Gene
 

I don't know if this will solve your problem, but if you do a Google search for something like mobile charter.net imap you will find relevant results. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Lynette
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Charter account on WLM

Okay I changed the outgoing to smtp and when I send messages I get an error message that the server is using an expired security license and do I want to sen anyway. I selected to send and it did go out, but this could be a pain if it does it every time.

Lynn


On 2/22/2020 8:36 AM, Lynette wrote:

Mike,

I am currently trying imap and both the incoming and outgoing ports are

mobile.charter.net

Incoming port 993 and outgoing 587

I am going to try changing the outgoing to smtp.charter.net


Also, if you have the server setting for pop 3, could you post that. I know they say they don't support pop any longer but I suspect it will still work

Thanks

Lynn


On 2/21/2020 9:55 PM, Mike B wrote:

I'm with Charter / Spectrum and it sound like your server settings need to be updated.  What do you have for, incoming & outgoing, settings on yourAccounts / properties / server tab, and are you using POP3 or IMAP??

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynette
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:28 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Charter account on WLM

Is anyone using a Charter.net email account with WLM?I can receive
messages but they won't send?

Lynn





Re: Charter account on WLM

Lynette
 

I am using it with Win10 1909 and Jaws 2020

Newest WLM (laugh!)

Lynn

On 2/22/2020 8:56 AM, Brian Zolo wrote:
Hey there,Lynn, Brian Zolo in Gahanna, Ohio, feel free to call me BZ, grin! I'm also a charter subscriber though I use outlook. I'll certainly be happy to research this issue and see whether they are still supporting windows live mail. Are you using windows live mail with windows ten or are you using an older operating system? Have a great day and let me know if you'll need further assistance as I'll be happy to do more research and let you know what I find out. BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lynette
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Charter account on WLM

Is anyone using a Charter.net email account with WLM?I can receive messages but they won't send?

Lynn








Re: What is a good flip phone to buy?

Gene
 

You can text reasonably easily but I haven't figured out one or two odd things about texting.  For example, for some reason, even after I read a message, it is often still listed as unread. 
 
You can turn on speech without sighted assistance but I can only tell you how to do it with the Go Flip3. 
 
Replying to a text is very easy.  I'd have to figure out how to send a completely new text again.  I almost never do so and after I figured it out, I haven't done so for such a long time I forgot the exact procedure.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Lynette
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

Does the Alcotel support text messages and if so, how difficult is it to read and respond?

Also can a totally blind person turn on voice guidance without assistance?

Thanks


On 2/22/2020 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
Then I would suggest she go to places that sell phones to look at them.  What would be recommended for a blind user or be considered might or might not be the best choice for a sighted person.  We also don't know how she wants to use the phone.  If just for calls and texts, a far more simple and cheap phone might be available for her purposes.  The Go Flip 3 is a 4G phone.  But it has a lot of features such as e-mail, a browser, and WI-FI that your wife might or might not want.  Will people please specify such things as if a person is sighted?  If no specification is made, the assumption is that the person is blind. 
 
Also, since you are looking for a phone for a sighted person, searching for something like best flip phone review may bring up useful information.  If the person is interested in other designs as well, such as a candy bar phone, doing a similar search, such as best candy bar phone review may bring up useful results. 
 
You can see phones at phone stores run by companies like AT&T, TMobile, etc. or at places like Best Buy.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

What is the make and model of the phone and is it 4G Let. I am looking for one for my wife who is sighted and does not want a touch screen . The one she has now will not work after the end of the year.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I'm going to do a presentation on Accessible World on March 9 about the phone I use.  You will have to decide if you want to use that phone, with its prolems and accessibility limitations or another.  After seeing discussions of two other off-the-shelf phones on one of the lists I follow, I don't remember which, and considering how I use a phone, I decided that mine is probably the best for me, but you may want something else.  But small things may be very important.  for example, one person discussed a phone that sounded very good except he said that it doesn't announce who is calling nor does it announce the number.  it just does something like announce incoming.  I would never by a phone, no matter how good otherwise, that doesn't tell me information about the incoming call.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 7:44 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I’m going to have to replace my flip phone at the end of the year because of 3 g going away. Could someone recommend a inexpensive phone that I can buy? Would appreciate the help. All the information that you can give to me about the phone would be appreciated.


Re: What is a good flip phone to buy?

Onwardbob
 

I have the Kyocera Dura and like it. It isn't cheap but it is very
accessible and full featured.

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Terry Olandese
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 5:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I'm going to have to replace my flip phone at the end of the year because of
3 g going away. Could someone recommend a inexpensive phone that I can buy?
Would appreciate the help. All the information that you can give to me about
the phone would be appreciated.


Re: Charter account on WLM

Brian Zolo
 

Hey there,Lynn, Brian Zolo in Gahanna, Ohio, feel free to call me BZ, grin! I'm also a charter subscriber though I use outlook. I'll certainly be happy to research this issue and see whether they are still supporting windows live mail. Are you using windows live mail with windows ten or are you using an older operating system? Have a great day and let me know if you'll need further assistance as I'll be happy to do more research and let you know what I find out. BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lynette
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Charter account on WLM

Is anyone using a Charter.net email account with WLM?I can receive messages but they won't send?

Lynn


Re: Charter account on WLM

Lynette
 

Okay I changed the outgoing to smtp and when I send messages I get an error message that the server is using an expired security license and do I want to sen anyway. I selected to send and it did go out, but this could be a pain if it does it every time.

Lynn


On 2/22/2020 8:36 AM, Lynette wrote:

Mike,

I am currently trying imap and both the incoming and outgoing ports are

mobile.charter.net

Incoming port 993 and outgoing 587

I am going to try changing the outgoing to smtp.charter.net


Also, if you have the server setting for pop 3, could you post that. I know they say they don't support pop any longer but I suspect it will still work

Thanks

Lynn


On 2/21/2020 9:55 PM, Mike B wrote:

I'm with Charter / Spectrum and it sound like your server settings need to be updated.  What do you have for, incoming & outgoing, settings on yourAccounts / properties / server tab, and are you using POP3 or IMAP??

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynette
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:28 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Charter account on WLM

Is anyone using a Charter.net email account with WLM?I can receive
messages but they won't send?

Lynn





Re: What is a good flip phone to buy?

Lynette
 

Does the Alcotel support text messages and if so, how difficult is it to read and respond?

Also can a totally blind person turn on voice guidance without assistance?

Thanks


On 2/22/2020 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
Then I would suggest she go to places that sell phones to look at them.  What would be recommended for a blind user or be considered might or might not be the best choice for a sighted person.  We also don't know how she wants to use the phone.  If just for calls and texts, a far more simple and cheap phone might be available for her purposes.  The Go Flip 3 is a 4G phone.  But it has a lot of features such as e-mail, a browser, and WI-FI that your wife might or might not want.  Will people please specify such things as if a person is sighted?  If no specification is made, the assumption is that the person is blind. 
 
Also, since you are looking for a phone for a sighted person, searching for something like best flip phone review may bring up useful information.  If the person is interested in other designs as well, such as a candy bar phone, doing a similar search, such as best candy bar phone review may bring up useful results. 
 
You can see phones at phone stores run by companies like AT&T, TMobile, etc. or at places like Best Buy.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

What is the make and model of the phone and is it 4G Let. I am looking for one for my wife who is sighted and does not want a touch screen . The one she has now will not work after the end of the year.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I'm going to do a presentation on Accessible World on March 9 about the phone I use.  You will have to decide if you want to use that phone, with its prolems and accessibility limitations or another.  After seeing discussions of two other off-the-shelf phones on one of the lists I follow, I don't remember which, and considering how I use a phone, I decided that mine is probably the best for me, but you may want something else.  But small things may be very important.  for example, one person discussed a phone that sounded very good except he said that it doesn't announce who is calling nor does it announce the number.  it just does something like announce incoming.  I would never by a phone, no matter how good otherwise, that doesn't tell me information about the incoming call.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 7:44 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I’m going to have to replace my flip phone at the end of the year because of 3 g going away. Could someone recommend a inexpensive phone that I can buy? Would appreciate the help. All the information that you can give to me about the phone would be appreciated.


Help with a Charter Email account

Lynette
 

I am new to Charter.net and want to know if anyone using it can tell me how to create filters on the web mail site? Any assistance will be appreciated.
Thanks, Lynn
 
IF MY BODY IS EVER FOUND ON A JOGGING TRAIL, JUST KNOW THAT I WAS MURDERED SOMEWHERE ELSE AND DUMPED THERE.


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Lynette
 

Wow! Has this tech list become a chat list? The content is all over the place.
Lynn

-----Original Message-----
From: Holly
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 5:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn:

I have been visually impaired for all my life, but lost a lot of vision at
age 35. That is when I lost the ability to read printed material.

So, that was over 40 years ago, and now I have very little useable vision
left.

I have used the iPhone for three years without ever seeing the screen. I
keep screen curtain on all the time.

I use a lot of text to speech apps and 'Be My Eyes' and AIRA.


Re: Charter account on WLM

Lynette
 

Mike,

I am currently trying imap and both the incoming and outgoing ports are

mobile.charter.net

Incoming port 993 and outgoing 587

I am going to try changing the outgoing to smtp.charter.net


Also, if you have the server setting for pop 3, could you post that. I know they say they don't support pop any longer but I suspect it will still work

Thanks

Lynn


On 2/21/2020 9:55 PM, Mike B wrote:

I'm with Charter / Spectrum and it sound like your server settings need to be updated.  What do you have for, incoming & outgoing, settings on yourAccounts / properties / server tab, and are you using POP3 or IMAP??

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynette
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:28 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Charter account on WLM

Is anyone using a Charter.net email account with WLM?I can receive
messages but they won't send?

Lynn





locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn Arnold
 

Ah, I have not turned mine on, but everything seemed to have ported over that I had. If someone doesn't tell you, I'll try to figure out, but I would think in Keyboard or typing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

AHi Diane,

Where do you go for the setting for 'predictive text?'


On 2/22/2020 1:26 AM, Leedy Diane Bomar wrote:
Do you have predictive text turned on? I know that works the way you described.


Diane Bomar
On Feb 21, 2020, at 16:31, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:
Ron, it seems like on my SE, that VoiceOver would say a word, and I could check above my text for choices, but I am not noticing that on my 11. It could be that I haven't typed enough for that yet. I usually dictate texts, but I do type emails. I don't know why I do that, but that has been my habbit.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 12:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Hi Chris,

I was initially scared of the touch screen keyboard. But I kept trying and trying and I've gotten pretty good at it as well. I am not very fast with it, but I m very accurate. I learned the method of editing by using the rotor to move around in a text field by word and character and then to edit mistakes.

I would say it takes me about a half an hour to write a 250 word message.

I am wondering if you have been able to develop any real speed. Sighted people have the advantage of the suggestions list--where in if you are typing along, the words are anticipated and they appear and can be selected by tapping on them before the need to type the whole word. I have not mastered that feature. Is there any way a blind person can take advantage of the suggestions list.



On 2/21/2020 5:21 AM, chris judge wrote:


I find the on-screen keyboard fine now. What made it so was practice, practice, practice.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: February 20, 2020 8:38 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Hi again:



I wish there were some good tutorials for learning the on screen keyboard so that more of us could type on that keyboard as easily as sighted people do. I know of an app called talking Taiper, but it has not been updated in over a year. It might not be a very good tutorial anymore and it might not be compatible with iOS 13. But if you know braille, braille screen input is a very good way to use your on screen keyboard. Especially if you have one of the larger iPhones such as the iPhone 7 Plus or later.



Victor







On Feb 20, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Jim Wohlgamuth <wohlggie@... <mailto:wohlggie@...> > wrote:



Hi There Again!

When I received my first Iphone I purchased a blue tooth keyboard expecting to have issues with the onscreen keyboard. After about a month to month and a half I found myself using the external keyboard less and less. I do wish there was a blue tooth keyboard with a numberpad so when I wish to enter a string of numbers I could do it much easier. Good Luck and Have A Good 1! de

<wohlggie@...> <mailto:wohlggie@...> <KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>.

On 20-Feb-20 18:19, Victor wrote:

The one thing I have not mastered on touchscreens is using the on-screen keyboard well. However, I work around that by using braille screen input and dictation. But again, those who have dexterity issues and finger sensitivity issues may have trouble using a touchscreen.



Victor







On Feb 20, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Victor via Groups.Io <victorelawrence=gmail.com@groups.io> <mailto:victorelawrence=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:



Hello again:



For those who have lost their eyesight later in life, I can totally understand why they might have trouble using touch screens. They may have a deck stair ready issues and finger sensitivity issues that those of us who have been blind since birth or since we were very young do not have. Therefore, I can certainly see the exceptions to what we are talking about. In these cases, maybe a flip phone would be best.



Victor







On Feb 20, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Jim Wohlgamuth via Groups.Io <wohlggie=gmail.com@groups.io> <mailto:wohlggie=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:



Hello Jerald!

Wonder what you base you conclusions on? I personally know quite a number of totally blind iPhone users and I personally have owned 6 or 7 touch screen phones and know of a fairly large number of other totally blind Androind users. So wonder if you actually took any sort of poll -scientific or other wise to come up with your conclusions..? Yes, I had a small amount of sighted help in getting my first iphone setup and a bit more in getting my Android setup but using a touch screen device is far from being difficult for the folks that I know as well as don't know.

To answer your question as to how a totally blind or partially sighted person uses the touch screens, we use our fingers to navigate around the screen and locate the various items that we wish to activate and then double tap them to activate them. Yes, my first touch screen was a bit of a challenge but now I would rather have a touch screen phone than a physical key board. I do use blue tooth keyboards with my various touch screen devices but that is more out of convenience rather than necessity. Of course I have always been a very inquisitive indevisual. Just my thoughts! Catch Ya later! de

<wohlggie@...> <mailto:wohlggie@...> <KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>.

On 20-Feb-20 10:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:



I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.





Gerald





On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?



You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.



Gene

----- Origial Message -----

From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.



Gerald





On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,



I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.



https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884






Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@...>

To: Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@... <mailto:missktlab1217@...>




--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: re keyboards and touch-screen computers, etc.

Carolyn Arnold
 

Sandra, that is a great tablet for the money. I hope you
take to the keyboard better than I did. Actually, I had
started doing some stuff on the screen, but it is so big?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sandra
Streeter
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 9:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] re keyboards and touch-screen computers,
etc.

Just bought myself an RCA Android tablet from HSN-it has a
keyboard included; not all hope is lost!





Sandra





The Truth must dazzle gradually

Or every man be blind -



(Emily Dickinson)


The Blind Shell.

Carolyn Arnold
 

Would the person who sent that article about the Blind Shell
please send it again, either to the list or to:

4carolyna@...

I copied it to send to a friend, had her email ready, phone
rang, I hit Send, night time came, I closed computer, away
went the copy. Also, I delete everything last thing. I would
appreciate it very much, if it could be sent back.


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn Arnold
 

Oh, I was there. I hope you can keep what you have as long as you can. Every bit helps, I think. I think some people think I over rate sight - at least those who do not have it think that, not those who do.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 11:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

None at all, I can’t even see the screen if it’s lit up like a Christmas tree!
On 22 Feb 2020, at 02:08, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:

So it is no help to you with the phone screen?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:18 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

No, I have a little bit of light perception, but nothing much.
On 21 Feb 2020, at 23:59, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:

Oh! Do you have partial sight? My sighted husband prefers bigger screens. He just loves hi iPad.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 6:50 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

A 10 x max
On 21 Feb 2020, at 23:45, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:
What is an ssmax?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

I feel the same about my xsmax.
On 21 Feb 2020, at 18:21, Victor <victorelawrence@...> wrote:
I love my iPhone 11 and I use it for everything everywhere.

Yes, iPhones do crash. My iPhone 7 Plus that I had for two years crashed last summer. Fortunately, I was able to get a decent deal on the iPhone 11 back in October. Now I use it and I’m very happy with it. Wow phones to crash, it isn’t too hard to get a new one if you can work out a deal with your carrier as I did with T-Mobile.

You can do just about everything with the iPhone and the android phone using Siri, Google assistant and some form of dictation. Yes, the iPhone and the android phone is a very convenient pocket computer that will enable you to do so much in your daily life that you will not believe it! It is well worth the investment and the time it takes to learn.

Blessings,

Victor
On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:08 AM, james f hooper <james_hooper@...> wrote:
Greetings holly I tried writing off list couldn't figure out how or what
command to use, wanted to talk with you about your hearing aids,
I was just diagnosed Tuesday with a severe hearing loss and need
to look in to getting hearing aids.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of Holly
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Gerald:

I have blue tooth hearing aids from Costco that are compatible with my
iPhone. They cost $1400 a pair and work great.

Also, with dictation and Siri you can do almost everything hands free.

Unfortunately, I don't think any amount of useful information the
list members offer you would convince you, as you are just closed
minded on the subject.

























locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn Arnold
 

Mine kept crashing, because I had so much on the computer, I ended up moving it to a new XP and selling the 98.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Yes, it crashed on the grand launch with Bill Gates front and center.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: February-21-20 3:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Wow! Windows 98 crashed? I used it for a long time, and it was good for me. Pam.



From: Monte Single <mailto:mrsingle@...>

Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 8:31 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Let’s see now.

In the last millennium, I think it was 1998, Mr. Micro, Bill Gates was on stage, Start me up by the rolling stones was blasting in the background. It was the launch of windows 98, the newest, hottest operating system in the solar system.

Bang!!! Windows 98 crashed.

So, if you experience a little hiccup with your device, favorite or otherwise, don’t despair; pick up that shovel and deal with it. If yu expect flawless performance, all the time, everytime, you’ll need a new existence in a new universe.

I still wish my fn I phone had an s d card slot.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: February-21-20 6:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



They do have physical volume buttons and power button. Whoever said they had no physical buttons meant the lack of a home button. No I’m not saying that IOS is so great that nothing can go wrong that can’t be easily fixed by the methods I mentioned. Can you name me a single operating system that is that infallible?





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 8:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?



Gerald





On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:

Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by:

a. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
b. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
c. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.



Gerald





On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!





On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> > wrote:





I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.





Gerald





On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?



You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.



Gene

----- Origial Message -----

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Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.



Gerald





On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,



I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.



https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884






Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@...>

To: Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@... <mailto:missktlab1217@...>


Re: What is a good flip phone to buy?

Gene
 

Then I would suggest she go to places that sell phones to look at them.  What would be recommended for a blind user or be considered might or might not be the best choice for a sighted person.  We also don't know how she wants to use the phone.  If just for calls and texts, a far more simple and cheap phone might be available for her purposes.  The Go Flip 3 is a 4G phone.  But it has a lot of features such as e-mail, a browser, and WI-FI that your wife might or might not want.  Will people please specify such things as if a person is sighted?  If no specification is made, the assumption is that the person is blind. 
 
Also, since you are looking for a phone for a sighted person, searching for something like best flip phone review may bring up useful information.  If the person is interested in other designs as well, such as a candy bar phone, doing a similar search, such as best candy bar phone review may bring up useful results. 
 
You can see phones at phone stores run by companies like AT&T, TMobile, etc. or at places like Best Buy.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

What is the make and model of the phone and is it 4G Let. I am looking for one for my wife who is sighted and does not want a touch screen . The one she has now will not work after the end of the year.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I'm going to do a presentation on Accessible World on March 9 about the phone I use.  You will have to decide if you want to use that phone, with its prolems and accessibility limitations or another.  After seeing discussions of two other off-the-shelf phones on one of the lists I follow, I don't remember which, and considering how I use a phone, I decided that mine is probably the best for me, but you may want something else.  But small things may be very important.  for example, one person discussed a phone that sounded very good except he said that it doesn't announce who is calling nor does it announce the number.  it just does something like announce incoming.  I would never by a phone, no matter how good otherwise, that doesn't tell me information about the incoming call.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 7:44 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I’m going to have to replace my flip phone at the end of the year because of 3 g going away. Could someone recommend a inexpensive phone that I can buy? Would appreciate the help. All the information that you can give to me about the phone would be appreciated.


Re: What is a good flip phone to buy?

Gene
 

I read a very little about it.  I think it is similar to the Alcotel Go Flip 3. 
I don't know what differences there may be.  I would suggest going over the phone with a sighted person, because, though I can tell you about the Go Flip3, if a procedure doesn't apply, you may not be able to do it without help in seeing how it is done. 
 
Speech is turned on on the Go Flip3 by opening settings, opening accessibility and turning on Readout.  You may well benefit from listening to my presentation to be given on the Go Flip 3 if the phone requires the same or similar work arounds for incomplete accessibility.  It might appear, for example, that contacts can't be used on the Go Flip3, but with the right workarounds, they can.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

My brother just bought me an Alcatel Go 5.  He has Verizon.  I
know nothing about the Alcatel Go 5 yet.  Can anyone enlighten
me? I will get it on Easter Sunday.

Jan



Re: What is a good flip phone to buy?

Loy
 

What is the make and model of the phone and is it 4G Let. I am looking for one for my wife who is sighted and does not want a touch screen . The one she has now will not work after the end of the year.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I'm going to do a presentation on Accessible World on March 9 about the phone I use.  You will have to decide if you want to use that phone, with its prolems and accessibility limitations or another.  After seeing discussions of two other off-the-shelf phones on one of the lists I follow, I don't remember which, and considering how I use a phone, I decided that mine is probably the best for me, but you may want something else.  But small things may be very important.  for example, one person discussed a phone that sounded very good except he said that it doesn't announce who is calling nor does it announce the number.  it just does something like announce incoming.  I would never by a phone, no matter how good otherwise, that doesn't tell me information about the incoming call.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 7:44 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I’m going to have to replace my flip phone at the end of the year because of 3 g going away. Could someone recommend a inexpensive phone that I can buy? Would appreciate the help. All the information that you can give to me about the phone would be appreciated.


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Pamela Dominguez
 

Yes, but it has a keyboard, whether it is detachable or not. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 11:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

For the last years, at least 4 or 5, there are laptops on which the keyboard can be easily removed or reattached. Thus, it is a cross or combo laptop or tablet.
Of course when the keyboard is detached, you use the on-screen keyboard. -----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Leedy Diane Bomar
Sent: February-21-20 10:41 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Don't all laptops have keyboards? I thought that only tablets do not have built-in keyboard.

Diane Bomar
On Feb 21, 2020, at 18:16, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@...> wrote:
Did you ask if there are any laptops with physical built-in keyboards? Because I think you made a writing mistake. Yes, there are laptops with built-in keyboards. I'm writing on one. But I have connected a keyboard to mine, because I am having problems with my built-in keyboard. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: jan howells via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Are there any such things any more, or what was the last thing that would be a lapto to carry around with a physical built in keyboard? Thank you.

Jan