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locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Leedy Diane Bomar
 

Do you have predictive text turned on? I know that works the way you described.


Diane Bomar
On Feb 21, 2020, at 16:31, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:
Ron, it seems like on my SE, that VoiceOver would say a word, and I could check above my text for choices, but I am not noticing that on my 11. It could be that I haven't typed enough for that yet. I usually dictate texts, but I do type emails. I don't know why I do that, but that has been my habbit.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 12:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Hi Chris,

I was initially scared of the touch screen keyboard. But I kept trying and trying and I've gotten pretty good at it as well. I am not very fast with it, but I m very accurate. I learned the method of editing by using the rotor to move around in a text field by word and character and then to edit mistakes.

I would say it takes me about a half an hour to write a 250 word message.

I am wondering if you have been able to develop any real speed. Sighted people have the advantage of the suggestions list--where in if you are typing along, the words are anticipated and they appear and can be selected by tapping on them before the need to type the whole word. I have not mastered that feature. Is there any way a blind person can take advantage of the suggestions list.



On 2/21/2020 5:21 AM, chris judge wrote:


I find the on-screen keyboard fine now. What made it so was practice, practice, practice.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: February 20, 2020 8:38 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Hi again:



I wish there were some good tutorials for learning the on screen keyboard so that more of us could type on that keyboard as easily as sighted people do. I know of an app called talking Taiper, but it has not been updated in over a year. It might not be a very good tutorial anymore and it might not be compatible with iOS 13. But if you know braille, braille screen input is a very good way to use your on screen keyboard. Especially if you have one of the larger iPhones such as the iPhone 7 Plus or later.



Victor







On Feb 20, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Jim Wohlgamuth <wohlggie@... <mailto:wohlggie@...> > wrote:



Hi There Again!

When I received my first Iphone I purchased a blue tooth keyboard expecting to have issues with the onscreen keyboard. After about a month to month and a half I found myself using the external keyboard less and less. I do wish there was a blue tooth keyboard with a numberpad so when I wish to enter a string of numbers I could do it much easier. Good Luck and Have A Good 1! de

<wohlggie@...> <mailto:wohlggie@...> <KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>.

On 20-Feb-20 18:19, Victor wrote:

The one thing I have not mastered on touchscreens is using the on-screen keyboard well. However, I work around that by using braille screen input and dictation. But again, those who have dexterity issues and finger sensitivity issues may have trouble using a touchscreen.



Victor







On Feb 20, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Victor via Groups.Io <victorelawrence=gmail.com@groups.io> <mailto:victorelawrence=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:



Hello again:



For those who have lost their eyesight later in life, I can totally understand why they might have trouble using touch screens. They may have a deck stair ready issues and finger sensitivity issues that those of us who have been blind since birth or since we were very young do not have. Therefore, I can certainly see the exceptions to what we are talking about. In these cases, maybe a flip phone would be best.



Victor







On Feb 20, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Jim Wohlgamuth via Groups.Io <wohlggie=gmail.com@groups.io> <mailto:wohlggie=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:



Hello Jerald!

Wonder what you base you conclusions on? I personally know quite a number of totally blind iPhone users and I personally have owned 6 or 7 touch screen phones and know of a fairly large number of other totally blind Androind users. So wonder if you actually took any sort of poll -scientific or other wise to come up with your conclusions..? Yes, I had a small amount of sighted help in getting my first iphone setup and a bit more in getting my Android setup but using a touch screen device is far from being difficult for the folks that I know as well as don't know.

To answer your question as to how a totally blind or partially sighted person uses the touch screens, we use our fingers to navigate around the screen and locate the various items that we wish to activate and then double tap them to activate them. Yes, my first touch screen was a bit of a challenge but now I would rather have a touch screen phone than a physical key board. I do use blue tooth keyboards with my various touch screen devices but that is more out of convenience rather than necessity. Of course I have always been a very inquisitive indevisual. Just my thoughts! Catch Ya later! de

<wohlggie@...> <mailto:wohlggie@...> <KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>.

On 20-Feb-20 10:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:



I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.





Gerald





On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?



You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.



Gene

----- Origial Message -----

From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.



Gerald





On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,



I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.



https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884






Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@...>

To: Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@... <mailto:missktlab1217@...>





--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Alex Stone
 

It’s longer than that, I can remember testing a windows surface tablet in about 2012 which had a removable Bluetooth keyboard.

On 22 Feb 2020, at 04:52, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:

For the last years, at least 4 or 5, there are laptops on which the keyboard can be easily removed or reattached. Thus, it is a cross or combo laptop or tablet.
Of course when the keyboard is detached, you use the on-screen keyboard. -----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Leedy Diane Bomar
Sent: February-21-20 10:41 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Don't all laptops have keyboards? I thought that only tablets do not have built-in keyboard.

Diane Bomar
On Feb 21, 2020, at 18:16, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@...> wrote:
Did you ask if there are any laptops with physical built-in keyboards? Because I think you made a writing mistake. Yes, there are laptops with built-in keyboards. I'm writing on one. But I have connected a keyboard to mine, because I am having problems with my built-in keyboard. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: jan howells via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Are there any such things any more, or what was the last thing that would be a lapto to carry around with a physical built in keyboard? Thank you.

Jan













locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Ron Canazzi
 

hahahahahah


On 2/21/2020 6:32 PM, Alex Stone wrote:
And did he crucify you?


On 21 Feb 2020, at 22:47, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

 ...And I once referred to another Chris on another list by accidentally adding a T to his name as in Chris = Christ.  Until the day he died, he never let me forget it.  What bad hings happen over simple typos.


On 2/21/2020 4:44 PM, John Dowling wrote:
Gerald,
Lighten up man.
I wasn't around for windows 95, but I did come along during windows 2000, and I remember using windows xp during 3rd grade lol.
Man, I feel so old, although, I think I'm the youngest on this list, I'm 19.


On Feb 21, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:




No, I'm not really Christ.  I'm Jewish and find your reference to Christ in this context highly offensive and inappropriate for this list. Don't do it again.  


Gerald



On 2/21/2020 3:34 PM, Alex Stone wrote:
Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he?


On 21 Feb 2020, at 15:47, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:



Christ Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it?

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 9:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

And why do you guys insist on evading my question?  Don't sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone.  Something as simple as a loose battery connection could cause it to stop working.  My understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not user accessible.  A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car.  He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination, he discovered that the screen was blank.  He wound up taking the phone to a phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the battery had been jostled loose.  And blind pedestrians bump into things all the time.  It's just one of the hazards of being blined.  So don't tell me that things like this can never happen.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone wrote:

Why do you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone says?



On 21 Feb 2020, at 12:15, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind?  If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:

Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by:

  1. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
  2. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
  3. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech?  Then what?  How do you restore Voice Over  without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place?  No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!





On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen.  Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.  

 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before.  Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.  Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating.  I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? 

 

You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.

 

Gene

----- Origial Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet.  But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag.  And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons.  This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,

 

I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company  producing it.  From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!  LOL  LOL  Check out the link below for a review.

 


 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...





-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Charter account on WLM

Mike B
 


I'm with Charter / Spectrum and it sound like your server settings need to be updated.  What do you have for, incoming & outgoing, settings on yourAccounts / properties / server tab, and are you using POP3 or IMAP??

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lynette
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:28 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Charter account on WLM

Is anyone using a Charter.net email account with WLM?I can receive
messages but they won't send?

Lynn





Charter account on WLM

Lynette
 

Is anyone using a Charter.net email account with WLM?I can receive messages but they won't send?

Lynn


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Lynette
 

Wow! This tech list has turned into a chat list!

The content is all over the place?

Lynn

On 2/21/2020 6:33 PM, Lenron wrote:
I have never had a problem fitting a phone in my pocket. I do tend to
really like my phone clips though.

On 2/21/20, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:
Good to kjnow that Otter got rid of that dreadful plastic. I do not like
that feel.

You have a point about the purse. I thought some of my pockets would be too
small, but so far, they have not been.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 8:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Hi Carolyn,

A larger phone is probably perfect for you. You can carry a purse. I would
look funny if I tried that.

The last time that I looked, OtterBox stopped putting the plastic screen
protector on its Defender series. You just add the second tempered glass
protective screen which all by itself might get you by a short drop to a
hard surface.

Glad you are enjoying your new phone.

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 5:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

I had wanted one, James, but my SE needed battery replacement. I was not
going to replace a battery, then buy a new phone in a couple of months. So,
I decided to get an XR, but they had none in stock, got an 11 for $648, so a
good deal, and I do like the phone. It, of course, is well built and in a
sturdy case, so feels very stout and reliable. I got a tempered glass screen
protector - like the glass feeling, not the plastic type as with an Otter
Box.

And oh, Seeing A I is really a good thing, and they are working on it to
improve it all the time. When I first got it, I took this picture of Jim
cooking, and was told man cooking.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 11:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

From what I have read in several places, this S E 2 will have a bezel. The
phisical home button/finger print sensor is on the bottom bezel. And, it
doesn't take up any screen space.

This phone sounds like it is a perfect size for me.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

The Volume Keys are on the left side. The Power Button is on the right side.
There are just no buttons on the screen; they occupy screen space. They are
saying that there will be a Home Button on the SE that could come out this
spring, but my bet is against a button that would occupy screen space. There
are others more savvy than I, who disagree with my opinion in that regard.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?




So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for
anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes
like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest
IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you
locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?






Gerald








On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:


Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is
usually caused by:

a. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
b. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on,
or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or
above, press the power button 3 times.
c. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then
pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler
than they seem when the device is new to you.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech? Then
what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have no
idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No operating system,
not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.



Gerald





On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an
IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take
exception to the suggestion that I’m not!






On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
<bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io
<mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> > wrote:





I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are
completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but
visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a
touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen
smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones
with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been
introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a
totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.





Gerald





On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've
seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons,
and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't
speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this
that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.
Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm
not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments
but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because
of elimination of the home button?



You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.



Gene

----- Origial Message -----

From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
<mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a
new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to
be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very
fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high
price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer
because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile
buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all
physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use
the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.



Gerald





On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,



I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I
think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way
the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really
cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the
link below for a review.



https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884






Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@...>

To: Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.

He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means

a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of

phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@... <mailto:missktlab1217@...>



























locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Leedy Diane Bomar
 

I really like the fact that the Apple accessibility reps cannot alter my phone. I remember things better if I am taught how to do it myself.

Though, there have been times that an app didn't have an image button labeled on the screen, that I cannot click with VoiceOver, and Apple doesn't like to help with apps they didn't create.

Diane Bomar
On Feb 21, 2020, at 16:34, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:
Oh yes, they will screen share, and what I like, unlike Microsoft Disability, they'll say, go to Settings; then General, then Battery or whatever. They will direct instead of fix the question.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Leedy Diane Bomar
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 12:10 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Also, the Apple magic keyboards have tactile markings on the F and J keys. Seeing AI is actually produced by Microsoft but runs on iOS.
Apple Accessibility is available 24/7 for free, and they will screen share with you.


Diane Bomar
On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:02, Holly <feyk7@...> wrote:
Gerald:

I have an Apple Magic blue tooth keyboard. It is light weight and portable, and the keys are large enough to accommodate locator dots.

Of course, it would not be practical to walk and use it.

Also, with a smart phone, you have access to sighted help anytime with apps like 'Be My Eyes' and AiRA.

There are many text to speech scanning apps, money identifiers, color identifiers.
Apple also has a free app called Seeing AI, which does many amazing things to help blind people. Even can read handwriting.


I was very reluctant to switch from my flip phone to a smart phone, but after taking the plunge, I never looked back. I am 75 years old, so no spring chicken either.


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Monte Single
 

For the last years, at least 4 or 5, there are laptops on which the keyboard can be easily removed or reattached. Thus, it is a cross or combo laptop or tablet.

Of course when the keyboard is detached, you use the on-screen keyboard. -----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Leedy Diane Bomar
Sent: February-21-20 10:41 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Don't all laptops have keyboards? I thought that only tablets do not have built-in keyboard.

Diane Bomar
On Feb 21, 2020, at 18:16, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@...> wrote:
Did you ask if there are any laptops with physical built-in keyboards? Because I think you made a writing mistake. Yes, there are laptops with built-in keyboards. I'm writing on one. But I have connected a keyboard to mine, because I am having problems with my built-in keyboard. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: jan howells via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Are there any such things any more, or what was the last thing that would be a lapto to carry around with a physical built in keyboard? Thank you.

Jan


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Leedy Diane Bomar
 

Don't all laptops have keyboards? I thought that only tablets do not have built-in keyboard.

Diane Bomar
On Feb 21, 2020, at 18:16, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@...> wrote:
Did you ask if there are any laptops with physical built-in keyboards? Because I think you made a writing mistake. Yes, there are laptops with built-in keyboards. I'm writing on one. But I have connected a keyboard to mine, because I am having problems with my built-in keyboard. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: jan howells via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Are there any such things any more, or what was the last thing
that would be a lapto to carry around with a physical built in
keyboard? Thank you.

Jan


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Alex Stone
 

None at all, I can’t even see the screen if it’s lit up like a Christmas tree!

On 22 Feb 2020, at 02:08, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:

So it is no help to you with the phone screen?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:18 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

No, I have a little bit of light perception, but nothing much.
On 21 Feb 2020, at 23:59, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:

Oh! Do you have partial sight? My sighted husband prefers bigger screens. He just loves hi iPad.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 6:50 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

A 10 x max
On 21 Feb 2020, at 23:45, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:
What is an ssmax?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

I feel the same about my xsmax.
On 21 Feb 2020, at 18:21, Victor <victorelawrence@...> wrote:
I love my iPhone 11 and I use it for everything everywhere.

Yes, iPhones do crash. My iPhone 7 Plus that I had for two years crashed last summer. Fortunately, I was able to get a decent deal on the iPhone 11 back in October. Now I use it and I’m very happy with it. Wow phones to crash, it isn’t too hard to get a new one if you can work out a deal with your carrier as I did with T-Mobile.

You can do just about everything with the iPhone and the android phone using Siri, Google assistant and some form of dictation. Yes, the iPhone and the android phone is a very convenient pocket computer that will enable you to do so much in your daily life that you will not believe it! It is well worth the investment and the time it takes to learn.

Blessings,

Victor
On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:08 AM, james f hooper <james_hooper@...> wrote:
Greetings holly I tried writing off list couldn't figure out how or what
command to use, wanted to talk with you about your hearing aids,
I was just diagnosed Tuesday with a severe hearing loss and need to
look in to getting hearing aids.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of Holly
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Gerald:

I have blue tooth hearing aids from Costco that are compatible with my
iPhone. They cost $1400 a pair and work great.

Also, with dictation and Siri you can do almost everything hands free.

Unfortunately, I don't think any amount of useful information the
list members offer you would convince you, as you are just closed
minded on the subject.

























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Leedy Diane Bomar
 

On my iPhone, going to settings/battery brings up information about the health of my battery, and the hourly charge amount, and the percentage each app I used within the last 24 hours or 10 days has used. That is a great indicator of which apps drain the battery the most. A good battery case is a must for me, and all are not created equal. The cases have the battery max capacity written inside. At a T-mobile store, the sales guy compared the battery capacity of my Apple case with the case they sell, finding that my Apple case had significantly more capacity. He said that as soon as he got off work, he was going to the Apple store and get a case from them.
Apple's battery case comes with a one-year warranty, which I once took advantage of after mine dipped into a bowl of soup. I wear my phone on a lanyard around my neck.


 Diane Bomar

On Feb 21, 2020, at 18:36, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:


I don't know enough about this to comment much except that some apps drain the battery quickly.  I'm not sure what the best way is to get information about whether any you are using drain the battery quickly, but I've read of apps that do.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

No, it doesn’t on mine either.


On 22 Feb 2020, at 00:55, Victor <victorelawrence@...> wrote:


When I listen to my music library or Internet radio stations on my iPhone, it doesn’t seem to drain the battery too quickly. However, the YouTube app and FaceTime drain the battery faster. I think that in general, video drains the battery more quickly than audio.

HTH,

Victor


On Feb 21, 2020, at 4:40 PM, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> wrote:



 

When you listen to the radio, on the iphone, does the battery stay at a high %?

I can make it last  longer when I used the data option to low usage.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 3:43 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

For those iPhone users who have problems with their batteries draining quickly, try using low power mode and make sure that you research ways to save your battery. There are many ways to do so. Your battery should not drain that quickly if you are taking certain steps to preserve it.

 

Victor

 


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On Feb 21, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Gary Greico <pianotuner3@...> wrote:



Could we stop fighting children.

 

On 21-Feb-20 4:30 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

 

No, I'm not really Christ.  I'm Jewish and find your reference to Christ in this context highly offensive and inappropriate for this list. Don't do it again.  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 3:34 PM, Alex Stone wrote:

Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he?


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On 21 Feb 2020, at 15:47, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:



Christ Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it?

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 9:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

And why do you guys insist on evading my question?  Don't sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone.  Something as simple as a loose battery connection could cause it to stop working.  My understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not user accessible.  A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car.  He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination, he discovered that the screen was blank.  He wound up taking the phone to a phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the battery had been jostled loose.  And blind pedestrians bump into things all the time.  It's just one of the hazards of being blined.  So don't tell me that things like this can never happen.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone wrote:

Why do you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone says?



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On 21 Feb 2020, at 12:15, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind?  If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:

Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by:

  1. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
  2. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
  3. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech?  Then what?  How do you restore Voice Over  without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place?  No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!





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On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen.  Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.  

 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before.  Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.  Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating.  I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? 

 

You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.

 

Gene

----- Origial Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet.  But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag.  And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons.  This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,

 

I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company  producing it.  From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!  LOL  LOL  Check out the link below for a review.

 


 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

To: Tech Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...




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locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Leedy Diane Bomar
 

I don't understand the advantage you are trying to imply. Without wires, or my computer, I use either the virtual keyboard on my iPhone, or a bluetooth keyboard for longer messages. I usually have an Apple bluetooth keyboard in my backpack, much smaller and lighter than a laptop!

In fact, I seldom use my computers for anything, these days.

Diane Bomar
On Feb 21, 2020, at 18:21, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. <ukekearuaro@...> wrote:
Gerald, I may be stupid as usual, but in My Shiny Android world, I don't
necessarily have to use a physical bluetooth keyboard for typing text on my
toys. I can, using a USB OTG cable, connect a regular keyboard with a USB
interface to my toys and use it.

Since I'm always MOVING MY RESTLESS LEGS all over the place, a bluetooth
comes in handy as I don't need to tinker with wires and cables. Again, this
is what I am able to do in My Shiny Android world; in this regard, my
options are almost virtually endless in Android Land!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Monte Single
 

What is the difference between the alcatel go 3 and go 5.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
jan howells via Groups.Io
Sent: February-21-20 6:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Yesterday, my brother bought me an Alcatel Go 5 cell phone nn his plan. I
will get it at Easter time.

Jan


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Monte Single
 

Yes,  video uses more energy than audio and video uses way more storage space than audio.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: February-21-20 6:55 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

When I listen to my music library or Internet radio stations on my iPhone, it doesn’t seem to drain the battery too quickly. However, the YouTube app and FaceTime drain the battery faster. I think that in general, video drains the battery more quickly than audio.

 

HTH,

 

Victor

 



On Feb 21, 2020, at 4:40 PM, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> wrote:



 

When you listen to the radio, on the iphone, does the battery stay at a high %?

I can make it last  longer when I used the data option to low usage.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 3:43 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

For those iPhone users who have problems with their batteries draining quickly, try using low power mode and make sure that you research ways to save your battery. There are many ways to do so. Your battery should not drain that quickly if you are taking certain steps to preserve it.

 

Victor

 



On Feb 21, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Gary Greico <pianotuner3@...> wrote:



Could we stop fighting children.

 

On 21-Feb-20 4:30 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

 

No, I'm not really Christ.  I'm Jewish and find your reference to Christ in this context highly offensive and inappropriate for this list. Don't do it again.  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 3:34 PM, Alex Stone wrote:

Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he?



On 21 Feb 2020, at 15:47, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:



Christ Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it?

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 9:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

And why do you guys insist on evading my question?  Don't sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone.  Something as simple as a loose battery connection could cause it to stop working.  My understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not user accessible.  A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car.  He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination, he discovered that the screen was blank.  He wound up taking the phone to a phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the battery had been jostled loose.  And blind pedestrians bump into things all the time.  It's just one of the hazards of being blined.  So don't tell me that things like this can never happen.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone wrote:

Why do you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone says?




On 21 Feb 2020, at 12:15, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind?  If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:

Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by:

  1. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
  2. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
  3. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech?  Then what?  How do you restore Voice Over  without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place?  No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!






On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen.  Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.  

 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before.  Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.  Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating.  I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? 

 

You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.

 

Gene

----- Origial Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet.  But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag.  And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons.  This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,

 

I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company  producing it.  From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!  LOL  LOL  Check out the link below for a review.

 


 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...






locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Monte Single
 

Yes,  it crashed on the grand launch with Bill Gates front and center.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: February-21-20 3:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Wow!  Windows 98 crashed?  I used it for a long time, and it was good for me.  Pam.

 

Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 8:31 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Let’s see now.

In the last millennium, I think it was 1998,  Mr. Micro, Bill Gates was on stage, Start me up by the rolling stones was blasting in the background.  It was the launch of windows 98, the newest, hottest operating system in the solar system.

Bang!!! Windows 98 crashed.

So, if you experience a little hiccup with your device, favorite or otherwise,  don’t despair;  pick up that shovel and deal with it.  If yu   expect  flawless performance, all the time, everytime,  you’ll need a new existence in a new universe.

I still wish my fn I phone had an s d card slot.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: February-21-20 6:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

They do have physical volume buttons and power button. Whoever said they had no physical buttons meant the lack of a home button. No I’m not saying that IOS is so great that nothing can go wrong that can’t be easily fixed by the methods I mentioned. Can you name me a single operating system that is that infallible?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 8:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind?  If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:

Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by:

  1. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
  2. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
  3. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech?  Then what?  How do you restore Voice Over  without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place?  No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!



On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen.  Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.  

 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before.  Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.  Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating.  I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? 

 

You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.

 

Gene

----- Origial Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet.  But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag.  And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons.  This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,

 

I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company  producing it.  From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!  LOL  LOL  Check out the link below for a review.

 


 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...



locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Holly
 

I first learned the computer at age 60. I knew my vision would get progressively worse, as I have a degenerative retinal disease, so didn't want to be sitting in the dark with no way of communicating or connecting with people. I was lucky to have a wonderful local blind foundation and took lessons there for as long as I could.

I was also lucky enough to have a long-time friend who went into his own computer business and he built all my computers and helped out immensely.

It did take a while for me to jump to the iPhone, but when I read an article about 'Seeing AI', I was hooked.


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Lenron
 

I have never had a problem fitting a phone in my pocket. I do tend to
really like my phone clips though.

On 2/21/20, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:
Good to kjnow that Otter got rid of that dreadful plastic. I do not like
that feel.

You have a point about the purse. I thought some of my pockets would be too
small, but so far, they have not been.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 8:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Hi Carolyn,

A larger phone is probably perfect for you. You can carry a purse. I would
look funny if I tried that.

The last time that I looked, OtterBox stopped putting the plastic screen
protector on its Defender series. You just add the second tempered glass
protective screen which all by itself might get you by a short drop to a
hard surface.

Glad you are enjoying your new phone.

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 5:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

I had wanted one, James, but my SE needed battery replacement. I was not
going to replace a battery, then buy a new phone in a couple of months. So,
I decided to get an XR, but they had none in stock, got an 11 for $648, so a
good deal, and I do like the phone. It, of course, is well built and in a
sturdy case, so feels very stout and reliable. I got a tempered glass screen
protector - like the glass feeling, not the plastic type as with an Otter
Box.

And oh, Seeing A I is really a good thing, and they are working on it to
improve it all the time. When I first got it, I took this picture of Jim
cooking, and was told man cooking.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 11:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

From what I have read in several places, this S E 2 will have a bezel. The
phisical home button/finger print sensor is on the bottom bezel. And, it
doesn't take up any screen space.

This phone sounds like it is a perfect size for me.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

The Volume Keys are on the left side. The Power Button is on the right side.
There are just no buttons on the screen; they occupy screen space. They are
saying that there will be a Home Button on the SE that could come out this
spring, but my bet is against a button that would occupy screen space. There
are others more savvy than I, who disagree with my opinion in that regard.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?




So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for
anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes
like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest
IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you
locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?






Gerald








On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:


Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is
usually caused by:

a. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
b. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on,
or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or
above, press the power button 3 times.
c. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then
pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler
than they seem when the device is new to you.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech? Then
what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have no
idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No operating system,
not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.



Gerald





On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an
IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take
exception to the suggestion that I’m not!






On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
<bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io
<mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> > wrote:





I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are
completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but
visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a
touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen
smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones
with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been
introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a
totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.





Gerald





On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've
seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons,
and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't
speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this
that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.
Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm
not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments
but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because
of elimination of the home button?



You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.



Gene

----- Origial Message -----

From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
<mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a
new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to
be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very
fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high
price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer
because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile
buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all
physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use
the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.



Gerald





On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,



I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I
think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way
the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really
cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the
link below for a review.



https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884






Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@...>

To: Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.

He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means

a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of

phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@... <mailto:missktlab1217@...>


























--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn Arnold
 

Good to kjnow that Otter got rid of that dreadful plastic. I do not like that feel.

You have a point about the purse. I thought some of my pockets would be too small, but so far, they have not been.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 8:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Hi Carolyn,

A larger phone is probably perfect for you. You can carry a purse. I would look funny if I tried that.

The last time that I looked, OtterBox stopped putting the plastic screen protector on its Defender series. You just add the second tempered glass protective screen which all by itself might get you by a short drop to a hard surface.

Glad you are enjoying your new phone.

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 5:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

I had wanted one, James, but my SE needed battery replacement. I was not going to replace a battery, then buy a new phone in a couple of months. So, I decided to get an XR, but they had none in stock, got an 11 for $648, so a good deal, and I do like the phone. It, of course, is well built and in a sturdy case, so feels very stout and reliable. I got a tempered glass screen protector - like the glass feeling, not the plastic type as with an Otter Box.

And oh, Seeing A I is really a good thing, and they are working on it to improve it all the time. When I first got it, I took this picture of Jim cooking, and was told man cooking.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 11:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

From what I have read in several places, this S E 2 will have a bezel. The phisical home button/finger print sensor is on the bottom bezel. And, it doesn't take up any screen space.

This phone sounds like it is a perfect size for me.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

The Volume Keys are on the left side. The Power Button is on the right side. There are just no buttons on the screen; they occupy screen space. They are saying that there will be a Home Button on the SE that could come out this spring, but my bet is against a button that would occupy screen space. There are others more savvy than I, who disagree with my opinion in that regard.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?




So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?





Gerald








On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:


Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by:

a. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
b. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
c. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.



Gerald





On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!






On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> > wrote:





I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.





Gerald





On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?



You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.



Gene

----- Origial Message -----

From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.



Gerald





On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,



I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.



https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884






Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@...>

To: Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@... <mailto:missktlab1217@...>


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn Arnold
 

Yes, definitely, one can check and see if it is possible to keep some apps from running in the background. One thing that is a battery user, but I like it, is Location Services. I like to say to my phone, remind me to call Sharon, when I get home, and it does. Another is Raise to Wake. I don't like it and turned that thing off. Sometimes in a hurry, I don't line up well enough for facial recognition on the first go, and I have gotten to be a whiz on my six-digit passcode.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

I don't know enough about this to comment much except that some apps drain the battery quickly. I'm not sure what the best way is to get information about whether any you are using drain the battery quickly, but I've read of apps that do.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Alex Stone <mailto:alexstone87@...>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:32 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

No, it doesn’t on mine either.




On 22 Feb 2020, at 00:55, Victor <victorelawrence@... <mailto:victorelawrence@...> > wrote:




When I listen to my music library or Internet radio stations on my iPhone, it doesn’t seem to drain the battery too quickly. However, the YouTube app and FaceTime drain the battery faster. I think that in general, video drains the battery more quickly than audio.

HTH,

Victor



On Feb 21, 2020, at 4:40 PM, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> wrote:







When you listen to the radio, on the iphone, does the battery stay at a high %?

I can make it last longer when I used the data option to low usage.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 3:43 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



For those iPhone users who have problems with their batteries draining quickly, try using low power mode and make sure that you research ways to save your battery. There are many ways to do so. Your battery should not drain that quickly if you are taking certain steps to preserve it.



Victor




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On Feb 21, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Gary Greico <pianotuner3@... <mailto:pianotuner3@...> > wrote:



Could we stop fighting children.



On 21-Feb-20 4:30 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:



No, I'm not really Christ. I'm Jewish and find your reference to Christ in this context highly offensive and inappropriate for this list. Don't do it again.



Gerald





On 2/21/2020 3:34 PM, Alex Stone wrote:

Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he?


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On 21 Feb 2020, at 15:47, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> <mailto:chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:



Christ Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it?



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 9:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





And why do you guys insist on evading my question? Don't sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone. Something as simple as a loose battery connection could cause it to stop working. My understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not user accessible. A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car. He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination, he discovered that the screen was blank. He wound up taking the phone to a phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the battery had been jostled loose. And blind pedestrians bump into things all the time. It's just one of the hazards of being blined. So don't tell me that things like this can never happen.



Gerald





On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone wrote:

Why do you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone says?



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On 21 Feb 2020, at 12:15, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:





So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?



Gerald





On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:

Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by:

a. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
b. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
c. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.



Gerald





On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!





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On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> > wrote:





I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.





Gerald





On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?



You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.



Gene

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From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>

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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.



Gerald





On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,



I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.



https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884






Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.

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From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@...>

To: Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


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locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn Arnold
 

I told my husband you were so savvy, but for some reason, I
did not realize you had visual problems for so long.

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[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Holly
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 8:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn:

I have been visually impaired for all my life, but lost a
lot of vision at age 35. That is when I lost the ability to
read printed material.

So, that was over 40 years ago, and now I have very little
useable vision left.

I have used the iPhone for three years without ever seeing
the screen. I keep screen curtain on all the time.

I use a lot of text to speech apps and 'Be My Eyes' and
AIRA.