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locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn Arnold
 

Yes, definitely, one can check and see if it is possible to keep some apps from running in the background. One thing that is a battery user, but I like it, is Location Services. I like to say to my phone, remind me to call Sharon, when I get home, and it does. Another is Raise to Wake. I don't like it and turned that thing off. Sometimes in a hurry, I don't line up well enough for facial recognition on the first go, and I have gotten to be a whiz on my six-digit passcode.

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

I don't know enough about this to comment much except that some apps drain the battery quickly. I'm not sure what the best way is to get information about whether any you are using drain the battery quickly, but I've read of apps that do.

Gene
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From: Alex Stone <mailto:alexstone87@...>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:32 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

No, it doesn’t on mine either.




On 22 Feb 2020, at 00:55, Victor <victorelawrence@... <mailto:victorelawrence@...> > wrote:




When I listen to my music library or Internet radio stations on my iPhone, it doesn’t seem to drain the battery too quickly. However, the YouTube app and FaceTime drain the battery faster. I think that in general, video drains the battery more quickly than audio.

HTH,

Victor



On Feb 21, 2020, at 4:40 PM, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> wrote:







When you listen to the radio, on the iphone, does the battery stay at a high %?

I can make it last longer when I used the data option to low usage.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 3:43 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



For those iPhone users who have problems with their batteries draining quickly, try using low power mode and make sure that you research ways to save your battery. There are many ways to do so. Your battery should not drain that quickly if you are taking certain steps to preserve it.



Victor




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On Feb 21, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Gary Greico <pianotuner3@... <mailto:pianotuner3@...> > wrote:



Could we stop fighting children.



On 21-Feb-20 4:30 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:



No, I'm not really Christ. I'm Jewish and find your reference to Christ in this context highly offensive and inappropriate for this list. Don't do it again.



Gerald





On 2/21/2020 3:34 PM, Alex Stone wrote:

Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he?


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On 21 Feb 2020, at 15:47, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> <mailto:chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:



Christ Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it?



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 9:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





And why do you guys insist on evading my question? Don't sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone. Something as simple as a loose battery connection could cause it to stop working. My understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not user accessible. A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car. He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination, he discovered that the screen was blank. He wound up taking the phone to a phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the battery had been jostled loose. And blind pedestrians bump into things all the time. It's just one of the hazards of being blined. So don't tell me that things like this can never happen.



Gerald





On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone wrote:

Why do you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone says?



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On 21 Feb 2020, at 12:15, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:





So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?



Gerald





On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:

Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by:

a. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
b. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
c. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.



Gerald





On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!





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On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> > wrote:





I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.





Gerald





On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?



You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.



Gene

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Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.



Gerald





On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,



I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.



https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884






Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.

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From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@...>

To: Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


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locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn Arnold
 

I told my husband you were so savvy, but for some reason, I
did not realize you had visual problems for so long.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Holly
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 8:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn:

I have been visually impaired for all my life, but lost a
lot of vision at age 35. That is when I lost the ability to
read printed material.

So, that was over 40 years ago, and now I have very little
useable vision left.

I have used the iPhone for three years without ever seeing
the screen. I keep screen curtain on all the time.

I use a lot of text to speech apps and 'Be My Eyes' and
AIRA.


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn Arnold
 

I have a girlfriend in Texas, Pam, and she was always so good on that stuff. She worked for an oil company, so was forever having to learn a new computer program. She could do anything, had one job with all kind of complicated forms. She was good at mechanical things, how things went together and all that stuff. A lot of years with serious health problems have been a real energy drain, and so, she has a bit of a time with her iPhone, and somehow, the Hadley videos weren't the help of her that they were to me. I think, for one thing, her daughter couldn't connect with them. Her daughter did really work hard, when I showed her how VoiceOver worked and the different gestures that were required.

Now my friend got a Victor Reader Stream and can do anything with the thing. It has physical buttons, and away she went.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 8:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Back when I was younger, and we had mechanical and analog stuff, I used to say nothing could beat me, because I wouldn't allow it to. But times are different, now. I wish I could still say the same thing, but I'm not that good. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Victor
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:17 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Yes, it certainly helps to be curious about new technology. Being curious makes it much easier to learn. If you don’t particularly like new technology or you have no curiosity about it, it’s going to be much harder to learn it.

I have been curious about science and technology all my life. I’ve also been a huge science-fiction fan all my life. Some of my best times were spent watching great science-fiction TV shows and movies. I’ve never been afraid of the computer or learning new technology. I have always found it interesting and fun.

Victor
On Feb 21, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<ukekearuaro@...> wrote:

Mr. Judge wrote in part:

"I can't speak for anyone else, but there's nothing quite like the
feeling of being independent."

Yes you can! You just spoke for me in a much simpler way than I would
have done. The need for independence is a huge reason why I am always
tinkering with all sorts of toys! No, I am neither a super being nor
the best child in the block; I just have an enquiring mind whose
thirst can't be quenched!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado




locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn Arnold
 

So it is no help to you with the phone screen?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:18 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

No, I have a little bit of light perception, but nothing much.
On 21 Feb 2020, at 23:59, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:

Oh! Do you have partial sight? My sighted husband prefers bigger screens. He just loves hi iPad.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 6:50 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

A 10 x max
On 21 Feb 2020, at 23:45, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:

What is an ssmax?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

I feel the same about my xsmax.
On 21 Feb 2020, at 18:21, Victor <victorelawrence@...> wrote:
I love my iPhone 11 and I use it for everything everywhere.

Yes, iPhones do crash. My iPhone 7 Plus that I had for two years crashed last summer. Fortunately, I was able to get a decent deal on the iPhone 11 back in October. Now I use it and I’m very happy with it. Wow phones to crash, it isn’t too hard to get a new one if you can work out a deal with your carrier as I did with T-Mobile.

You can do just about everything with the iPhone and the android phone using Siri, Google assistant and some form of dictation. Yes, the iPhone and the android phone is a very convenient pocket computer that will enable you to do so much in your daily life that you will not believe it! It is well worth the investment and the time it takes to learn.

Blessings,

Victor
On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:08 AM, james f hooper <james_hooper@...> wrote:
Greetings holly I tried writing off list couldn't figure out how or what
command to use, wanted to talk with you about your hearing aids,
I was just diagnosed Tuesday with a severe hearing loss and need to
look in to getting hearing aids.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of Holly
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Gerald:

I have blue tooth hearing aids from Costco that are compatible with my
iPhone. They cost $1400 a pair and work great.

Also, with dictation and Siri you can do almost everything hands free.

Unfortunately, I don't think any amount of useful information the
list members offer you would convince you, as you are just closed
minded on the subject.




















locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

James Bentley
 

Hi Carolyn,

A larger phone is probably perfect for you. You can carry a purse. I would look funny if I tried that.

The last time that I looked, OtterBox stopped putting the plastic screen protector on its Defender series. You just add the second tempered glass protective screen which all by itself might get you by a short drop to a hard surface.

Glad you are enjoying your new phone.

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 5:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

I had wanted one, James, but my SE needed battery replacement. I was not going to replace a battery, then buy a new phone in a couple of months. So, I decided to get an XR, but they had none in stock, got an 11 for $648, so a good deal, and I do like the phone. It, of course, is well built and in a sturdy case, so feels very stout and reliable. I got a tempered glass screen protector - like the glass feeling, not the plastic type as with an Otter Box.

And oh, Seeing A I is really a good thing, and they are working on it to improve it all the time. When I first got it, I took this picture of Jim cooking, and was told man cooking.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 11:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

From what I have read in several places, this S E 2 will have a bezel. The phisical home button/finger print sensor is on the bottom bezel. And, it doesn't take up any screen space.

This phone sounds like it is a perfect size for me.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

The Volume Keys are on the left side. The Power Button is on the right side. There are just no buttons on the screen; they occupy screen space. They are saying that there will be a Home Button on the SE that could come out this spring, but my bet is against a button that would occupy screen space. There are others more savvy than I, who disagree with my opinion in that regard.

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?




So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?





Gerald








On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:


Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by:

a. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
b. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
c. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.



Gerald





On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!






On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> > wrote:





I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.





Gerald





On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?



You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.



Gene

----- Origial Message -----

From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.



Gerald





On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,



I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.



https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884






Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@...>

To: Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
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missktlab1217@... <mailto:missktlab1217@...>


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Gene
 

I don't know enough about this to comment much except that some apps drain the battery quickly.  I'm not sure what the best way is to get information about whether any you are using drain the battery quickly, but I've read of apps that do.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

No, it doesn’t on mine either.


On 22 Feb 2020, at 00:55, Victor <victorelawrence@...> wrote:


When I listen to my music library or Internet radio stations on my iPhone, it doesn’t seem to drain the battery too quickly. However, the YouTube app and FaceTime drain the battery faster. I think that in general, video drains the battery more quickly than audio.

HTH,

Victor


On Feb 21, 2020, at 4:40 PM, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> wrote:



 

When you listen to the radio, on the iphone, does the battery stay at a high %?

I can make it last  longer when I used the data option to low usage.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 3:43 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

For those iPhone users who have problems with their batteries draining quickly, try using low power mode and make sure that you research ways to save your battery. There are many ways to do so. Your battery should not drain that quickly if you are taking certain steps to preserve it.

 

Victor

 


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On Feb 21, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Gary Greico <pianotuner3@...> wrote:



Could we stop fighting children.

 

On 21-Feb-20 4:30 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

 

No, I'm not really Christ.  I'm Jewish and find your reference to Christ in this context highly offensive and inappropriate for this list. Don't do it again.  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 3:34 PM, Alex Stone wrote:

Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he?


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On 21 Feb 2020, at 15:47, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:



Christ Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it?

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 9:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

And why do you guys insist on evading my question?  Don't sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone.  Something as simple as a loose battery connection could cause it to stop working.  My understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not user accessible.  A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car.  He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination, he discovered that the screen was blank.  He wound up taking the phone to a phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the battery had been jostled loose.  And blind pedestrians bump into things all the time.  It's just one of the hazards of being blined.  So don't tell me that things like this can never happen.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone wrote:

Why do you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone says?



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On 21 Feb 2020, at 12:15, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind?  If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:

Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by:

  1. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
  2. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
  3. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech?  Then what?  How do you restore Voice Over  without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place?  No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!





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On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen.  Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.  

 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before.  Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.  Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating.  I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? 

 

You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.

 

Gene

----- Origial Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet.  But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag.  And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons.  This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,

 

I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company  producing it.  From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!  LOL  LOL  Check out the link below for a review.

 


 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

To: Tech Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...




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locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Holly
 

Carolyn:

I have been visually impaired for all my life, but lost a lot of vision at age 35. That is when I lost the ability to read printed material.

So, that was over 40 years ago, and now I have very little useable vision left.

I have used the iPhone for three years without ever seeing the screen. I keep screen curtain on all the time.

I use a lot of text to speech apps and 'Be My Eyes' and AIRA.


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Alex Stone
 

No, it doesn’t on mine either.


On 22 Feb 2020, at 00:55, Victor <victorelawrence@...> wrote:


When I listen to my music library or Internet radio stations on my iPhone, it doesn’t seem to drain the battery too quickly. However, the YouTube app and FaceTime drain the battery faster. I think that in general, video drains the battery more quickly than audio.

HTH,

Victor


On Feb 21, 2020, at 4:40 PM, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> wrote:



 

When you listen to the radio, on the iphone, does the battery stay at a high %?

I can make it last  longer when I used the data option to low usage.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 3:43 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

For those iPhone users who have problems with their batteries draining quickly, try using low power mode and make sure that you research ways to save your battery. There are many ways to do so. Your battery should not drain that quickly if you are taking certain steps to preserve it.

 

Victor

 



On Feb 21, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Gary Greico <pianotuner3@...> wrote:



Could we stop fighting children.

 

On 21-Feb-20 4:30 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

 

No, I'm not really Christ.  I'm Jewish and find your reference to Christ in this context highly offensive and inappropriate for this list. Don't do it again.  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 3:34 PM, Alex Stone wrote:

Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he?



On 21 Feb 2020, at 15:47, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:



Christ Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it?

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 9:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

And why do you guys insist on evading my question?  Don't sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone.  Something as simple as a loose battery connection could cause it to stop working.  My understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not user accessible.  A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car.  He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination, he discovered that the screen was blank.  He wound up taking the phone to a phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the battery had been jostled loose.  And blind pedestrians bump into things all the time.  It's just one of the hazards of being blined.  So don't tell me that things like this can never happen.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone wrote:

Why do you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone says?




On 21 Feb 2020, at 12:15, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind?  If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:

Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by:

  1. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
  2. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
  3. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech?  Then what?  How do you restore Voice Over  without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place?  No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!






On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen.  Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.  

 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before.  Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.  Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating.  I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? 

 

You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.

 

Gene

----- Origial Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet.  But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag.  And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons.  This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,

 

I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company  producing it.  From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!  LOL  LOL  Check out the link below for a review.

 


 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

To: Tech Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...






locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Gerald, I may be stupid as usual, but in My Shiny Android world, I don't
necessarily have to use a physical bluetooth keyboard for typing text on my
toys. I can, using a USB OTG cable, connect a regular keyboard with a USB
interface to my toys and use it.

Since I'm always MOVING MY RESTLESS LEGS all over the place, a bluetooth
comes in handy as I don't need to tinker with wires and cables. Again, this
is what I am able to do in My Shiny Android world; in this regard, my
options are almost virtually endless in Android Land!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Pamela Dominguez
 

Did you ask if there are any laptops with physical built-in keyboards? Because I think you made a writing mistake. Yes, there are laptops with built-in keyboards. I'm writing on one. But I have connected a keyboard to mine, because I am having problems with my built-in keyboard. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: jan howells via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Are there any such things any more, or what was the last thing
that would be a lapto to carry around with a physical built in
keyboard? Thank you.

Jan


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Pamela Dominguez
 

Back when I was younger, and we had mechanical and analog stuff, I used to say nothing could beat me, because I wouldn't allow it to. But times are different, now. I wish I could still say the same thing, but I'm not that good. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Victor
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:17 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Yes, it certainly helps to be curious about new technology. Being curious makes it much easier to learn. If you don’t particularly like new technology or you have no curiosity about it, it’s going to be much harder to learn it.

I have been curious about science and technology all my life. I’ve also been a huge science-fiction fan all my life. Some of my best times were spent watching great science-fiction TV shows and movies. I’ve never been afraid of the computer or learning new technology. I have always found it interesting and fun.

Victor
On Feb 21, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. <ukekearuaro@...> wrote:

Mr. Judge wrote in part:

"I can't speak for anyone else, but there's nothing quite like the feeling
of being independent."

Yes you can! You just spoke for me in a much simpler way than I would have
done. The need for independence is a huge reason why I am always tinkering
with all sorts of toys! No, I am neither a super being nor the best child
in the block; I just have an enquiring mind whose thirst can't be quenched!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado




locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Victor
 

When I listen to my music library or Internet radio stations on my iPhone, it doesn’t seem to drain the battery too quickly. However, the YouTube app and FaceTime drain the battery faster. I think that in general, video drains the battery more quickly than audio.

HTH,

Victor


On Feb 21, 2020, at 4:40 PM, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> wrote:



 

When you listen to the radio, on the iphone, does the battery stay at a high %?

I can make it last  longer when I used the data option to low usage.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 3:43 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

For those iPhone users who have problems with their batteries draining quickly, try using low power mode and make sure that you research ways to save your battery. There are many ways to do so. Your battery should not drain that quickly if you are taking certain steps to preserve it.

 

Victor

 



On Feb 21, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Gary Greico <pianotuner3@...> wrote:



Could we stop fighting children.

 

On 21-Feb-20 4:30 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

 

No, I'm not really Christ.  I'm Jewish and find your reference to Christ in this context highly offensive and inappropriate for this list. Don't do it again.  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 3:34 PM, Alex Stone wrote:

Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he?



On 21 Feb 2020, at 15:47, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:



Christ Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it?

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 9:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

And why do you guys insist on evading my question?  Don't sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone.  Something as simple as a loose battery connection could cause it to stop working.  My understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not user accessible.  A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car.  He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination, he discovered that the screen was blank.  He wound up taking the phone to a phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the battery had been jostled loose.  And blind pedestrians bump into things all the time.  It's just one of the hazards of being blined.  So don't tell me that things like this can never happen.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone wrote:

Why do you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone says?




On 21 Feb 2020, at 12:15, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind?  If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:

Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by:

  1. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
  2. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
  3. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech?  Then what?  How do you restore Voice Over  without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place?  No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!






On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen.  Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.  

 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before.  Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.  Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating.  I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? 

 

You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.

 

Gene

----- Origial Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet.  But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag.  And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons.  This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,

 

I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company  producing it.  From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!  LOL  LOL  Check out the link below for a review.

 


 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...






locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Karim Lakhani
 

 

When you listen to the radio, on the iphone, does the battery stay at a high %?

I can make it last  longer when I used the data option to low usage.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 3:43 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

For those iPhone users who have problems with their batteries draining quickly, try using low power mode and make sure that you research ways to save your battery. There are many ways to do so. Your battery should not drain that quickly if you are taking certain steps to preserve it.

 

Victor

 



On Feb 21, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Gary Greico <pianotuner3@...> wrote:



Could we stop fighting children.

 

On 21-Feb-20 4:30 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

 

No, I'm not really Christ.  I'm Jewish and find your reference to Christ in this context highly offensive and inappropriate for this list. Don't do it again.  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 3:34 PM, Alex Stone wrote:

Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he?



On 21 Feb 2020, at 15:47, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:



Christ Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it?

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 9:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

And why do you guys insist on evading my question?  Don't sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone.  Something as simple as a loose battery connection could cause it to stop working.  My understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not user accessible.  A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car.  He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination, he discovered that the screen was blank.  He wound up taking the phone to a phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the battery had been jostled loose.  And blind pedestrians bump into things all the time.  It's just one of the hazards of being blined.  So don't tell me that things like this can never happen.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone wrote:

Why do you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone says?




On 21 Feb 2020, at 12:15, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind?  If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:

Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by:

  1. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
  2. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
  3. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech?  Then what?  How do you restore Voice Over  without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place?  No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!






On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen.  Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.  

 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before.  Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.  Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating.  I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? 

 

You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.

 

Gene

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Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet.  But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag.  And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons.  This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,

 

I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company  producing it.  From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!  LOL  LOL  Check out the link below for a review.

 


 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...






locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Gene
 

Crashed may mean it stopped working, but a crash usually means it stopped working and a reboot caused it to work again.  It is much more clear to say something like it stopped working altogether instead of crashed, which may mean more than one thing.
 
If something permanently stops working, it usually isn't the operating system that permanently crashes.  It is usually something like the hard drive, the motherboard, or something necessary for the functioning of the computer physically. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Wow!  Windows 98 crashed?  I used it for a long time, and it was good for me.  Pam.
 
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
 

Let’s see now.

In the last millennium, I think it was 1998,  Mr. Micro, Bill Gates was on stage, Start me up by the rolling stones was blasting in the background.  It was the launch of windows 98, the newest, hottest operating system in the solar system.

Bang!!! Windows 98 crashed.

So, if you experience a little hiccup with your device, favorite or otherwise,  don’t despair;  pick up that shovel and deal with it.  If yu   expect  flawless performance, all the time, everytime,  you’ll need a new existence in a new universe.

I still wish my fn I phone had an s d card slot.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: February-21-20 6:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

They do have physical volume buttons and power button. Whoever said they had no physical buttons meant the lack of a home button. No I’m not saying that IOS is so great that nothing can go wrong that can’t be easily fixed by the methods I mentioned. Can you name me a single operating system that is that infallible?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 8:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind?  If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:

Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by:

  1. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
  2. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
  3. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.

It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech?  Then what?  How do you restore Voice Over  without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place?  No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:

That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!




On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen.  Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.  

 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before.  Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.  Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating.  I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? 

 

You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.

 

Gene

----- Origial Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet.  But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag.  And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons.  This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,

 

I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company  producing it.  From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!  LOL  LOL  Check out the link below for a review.

 


 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

To: Tech Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...




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jan howells <gale7978@...>
 

Yesterday, my brother bought me an Alcatel Go 5 cell phone nn his plan. I will get it at Easter time.

Jan


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jan howells <gale7978@...>
 

Does the iPad mini 5 have a physical home button, or do you use the physical power button? The mini 4 still has a physical home button. One of my friends calls the home button on the iPad a belly button, because it is indented. LOL!! I ne heard that before.


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jan howells <gale7978@...>
 

Are there any such things any more, or what was the last thing that would be a lapto to carry around with a physical built in keyboard? Thank you.

Jan


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Alex Stone
 

No, I have a little bit of light perception, but nothing much.

On 21 Feb 2020, at 23:59, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:

Oh! Do you have partial sight? My sighted husband prefers bigger screens. He just loves hi iPad.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 6:50 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

A 10 x max
On 21 Feb 2020, at 23:45, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:

What is an ssmax?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

I feel the same about my xsmax.
On 21 Feb 2020, at 18:21, Victor <victorelawrence@...> wrote:
I love my iPhone 11 and I use it for everything everywhere.

Yes, iPhones do crash. My iPhone 7 Plus that I had for two years crashed last summer. Fortunately, I was able to get a decent deal on the iPhone 11 back in October. Now I use it and I’m very happy with it. Wow phones to crash, it isn’t too hard to get a new one if you can work out a deal with your carrier as I did with T-Mobile.

You can do just about everything with the iPhone and the android phone using Siri, Google assistant and some form of dictation. Yes, the iPhone and the android phone is a very convenient pocket computer that will enable you to do so much in your daily life that you will not believe it! It is well worth the investment and the time it takes to learn.

Blessings,

Victor
On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:08 AM, james f hooper <james_hooper@...> wrote:
Greetings holly I tried writing off list couldn't figure out how or what
command to use, wanted to talk with you about your hearing aids, I
was just diagnosed Tuesday with a severe hearing loss and need to
look in to getting hearing aids.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Holly
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Gerald:

I have blue tooth hearing aids from Costco that are compatible with my
iPhone. They cost $1400 a pair and work great.

Also, with dictation and Siri you can do almost everything hands free.

Unfortunately, I don't think any amount of useful information the
list members offer you would convince you, as you are just closed
minded on the subject.




















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Victor
 

Yes, it certainly helps to be curious about new technology. Being curious makes it much easier to learn. If you don’t particularly like new technology or you have no curiosity about it, it’s going to be much harder to learn it.

I have been curious about science and technology all my life. I’ve also been a huge science-fiction fan all my life. Some of my best times were spent watching great science-fiction TV shows and movies. I’ve never been afraid of the computer or learning new technology. I have always found it interesting and fun.

Victor

On Feb 21, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. <ukekearuaro@...> wrote:

Mr. Judge wrote in part:

"I can't speak for anyone else, but there's nothing quite like the feeling
of being independent."

Yes you can! You just spoke for me in a much simpler way than I would have
done. The need for independence is a huge reason why I am always tinkering
with all sorts of toys! No, I am neither a super being nor the best child
in the block; I just have an enquiring mind whose thirst can't be quenched!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado




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Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Mr. Judge wrote in part:

"I can't speak for anyone else, but there's nothing quite like the feeling
of being independent."

Yes you can! You just spoke for me in a much simpler way than I would have
done. The need for independence is a huge reason why I am always tinkering
with all sorts of toys! No, I am neither a super being nor the best child
in the block; I just have an enquiring mind whose thirst can't be quenched!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado