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Re: Jaws, NVDA & Google Chrome

Ann Parsons
 

Hi Gene,

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Ann P.

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Re: Jaws, NVDA & Google Chrome

Gene
 

I haven’t looked but I would expect a Google search for Google Chrome hot keys or short cut keys, I don’t know which might provide better results, would bring up pages with such information. 
 
I was just looking at Chrome to see if a lot of shortcut keys are shown in the menus and submenus.  They are, but that’s not the main reason I’m writing.  I opened the history submenu and I found something I hadn’t known about before.  In the past, I just used control h to open history.  But I found out that when the submenu is opened, you can down arrow through a list of the nine most recently opened pages.  The control h history is a web page interface, as most things are in Chrome.  The list is much more convenient and faster to get to. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws, NVDA & Google Chrome
 
Hi all,

I'm finding that NVDA works better in Chrome.  It's not that different,
though I'd like to find a list of keystrokes for Chrome if anybody
knows where I can find one?

Ann P.

--
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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL:  akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."



I need an accessible revo uninstaller

joanne
 

I know that there was a link or website this group had for a Revo Portable that Carlos had made accessible with jaws. Does anyone know how I can get this version, or if not is there a Jaws-friendly version of Revo Uninstaller? I found a portable and a regular one online, but neither show the programs and you just have a page you can't tab through because I'm assuming it's too graphical. Thanks for any help.
 
Joanne
 


Re: Jaws, NVDA & Google Chrome

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

I'm finding that NVDA works better in Chrome. It's not that different, though I'd like to find a list of keystrokes for Chrome if anybody knows where I can find one?

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Jaws, NVDA & Google Chrome

Gene
 

Browsing is browsing with any browser that supports the Virtual PC Cursor, as JAWS calls it, or browse mode, as NVDA calls it.  If you want to change settings, the interfaces of the browsers are different from Internet Explorer, but just for browsing, you will use all the same commands you have been using if you use JAWS of whatever version and if you use NVDA, all or just about all the browsing commands will be identical.  I don’t know if your version of JAWS works with Firefox.  Firefox went through internal changes ;perhaps a year ago and I don’t know if your version of JAWS is compatible with it.  If it isn’t, when you open Firefox, you will get a message that you need to upgrade JAWS, whatever it says, that’s what it amounts to.  But you needn’t worry about using NVDA with whatever browser you want, for just browsing, there will be very little to learn.  You may want to learn screen-reader commands such as read current line, read title bar, that command is the same in JAWS and NVDA, and perhaps a small number of others, such as controling the speaking speed and such commands but if you want to use JAWS in general and NVDA for browsing, if you don’t want to learn more about NVDA, you don’t have to.
 
But you may want to.  At some point, you will switch to Windows 10.  You may want to learn NVDA so you can switch whenever you want without learning what you need to know about Windows 10 and the screen-reader at the same time.  That is, of course, if you don’t want to continue using JAWS at that time, and you will have to upgrade JAWS then.
Gene,

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:07 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Jaws, NVDA & Google Chrome
 

Hi All.  I am finding that increasingly web sites won't support I.E. and although many still do, it is happening more often that they are instructing me to get a more up-to-date browser and I think the time for doing so has arrived.

 

I am at this point using Jaws 17 on this computer and I'm not at this point able to upgrade to a higher version but that means I can't use Google Chrome, at least not to it's fullest potential.

 

I'm just trying to think of the options I have.

 

One option is to use Firefox or Brave but will I get full function whilst I use Jaws 17 with these two browsers and if I would, which versions of either of these two is the optimal for using with Jaws 17?

 

Another option is to use NVDA but would I get full function of Google Chrome if I did use NVDA.  If I could stick with Jaws that would please me the most as I am familiar with that screen reader.

 

Whether I go for Firefox, Brave or even Google Chrome or even use NVDA I will have a learning curve and I wonder which would be the least troublesome.

 

Opinions and observations are welcome please.  Walter.


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Re: Saving the URL from an Internet Radio Station as a .pls or .m3u playlist file

Ron Canazzi
 

Your method works sometimes, but if the station used an embedded player such as a Java applet, you won't find the address very easily. 

On 4/12/2020 2:12 PM, - wrote:
> > I went to the url given and chose an example stream. The listen live > is the url of interest. Download that file, using a text editor the > actual active url is given, in the example: > > http://cms.stream.publicradio.org/cms.mp3 > > When fed to a media player the stream started. There are more > examples of a stream in addition to pls and mu3; as the above > illustrates. > > I have used this method several times to find the active stream url > for web stations. > > On Sat, 11 Apr 2020, Gene wrote: > >> Here is the page: https://billsparks.net/ >> >> If you want to search for a station, use your sscreen-reader???s >> find command to look for the word search. Be at the top of the >> page when you use the find command. it???s a link. Follow it and >> you will be on a search page. There is an edit field, use the >> letter e to move to it and search for a station. When the results >> page comes up, use your screen-reader???s find function again and >> from the top of the page, look for the word results. Then start >> looking down. >> >> If the result you want has a play in media player link, that???s >> the one you want to follow. You may find two links, something like >> play in browser and play in media player. If you follow the media >> player link, the stream will play in your default player. You can >> book mark it in the player itself or you can probably copy the link >> itself to the clipboard. If you want to know how, I???ll explain >> it in another message. >> >> Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene via groups.io Sent: >> Saturday, April 11, 2020 4:08 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Saving the URL from an Internet Radio >> Station as a .pls or .m3u playlist file >> >> You may find streams you can use by using the Bill Sparks radio >> page. I???ll look it up and send it in a later message. >> >> Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Canazzi Sent: Saturday, >> April 11, 2020 1:36 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: >> [TechTalk] Saving the URL from an Internet Radio Station as a .pls >> or .m3u playlist file >> >> Hi Steven, >> >> I have done this in the past with mixed results. If the player is >> a JAVA based player, lots of luck. The only way to get a streaming >> address when the player is a Java player is to use a program like >> IP Sniffer and pick from several IP addresses that show up under >> the program. I know sighted people who have had good results doing >> this, but the program is largely inaccessible with JAWS and NVDA. >> >> >> >> >> On 4/11/2020 1:19 PM, Steven Johnson wrote: >> >> I am messing around with the Blaze ET, trying to load a few of my >> favorite streaming radio stations. I know that I need to take the >> URL of a stream and make a .pls or .m3u playlist file out of it. >> My difficulty is finding the right URL that will make a stream >> start playing when pasted into the address bar of my browser. I >> can make the stream play within my browser, but the URL that shows >> up on my address bar when the stream is playing never seems to work >> when I save it as a favorite, or copy it to clipboard and then try >> to open it by pasting it on to my address bar. Anyone ever >> monkeyed around with this and had success? >> >> >> >> >
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Re: Games to play?

Shelly Kane
 

Thanks Everyone:


I will give these games a try.  I do like monopoly but have never played it on the computer.  I am really into word games though. Thanks again for your suggestions.

Shelly

On 4/12/2020 7:32 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Shelly,

The sports games are what I like. In particular, Golf and Baseball. There are Casino games.  The games gives you the instructions for each of the various card games and how to play if you don't know these real card games.

Trucker is also a nice game.  You are a trucker and you pick a route to go cross country.  You get to choose one of four routes. There are advantages and disadvantages to each of the routes.  You get a certain amount of money to start, to pick sleep times, gas up times and so on.  If you complete the trick the game sis over and you win. If you are out of cash or out of gas and/or the police stop you too many times and you wind up in jail, you lose the game.

There are some adult oriented games such as coupling and dungeons and dragons.  The rules are explained when you launch these games. There is also a concentration game similar to the old TV game show. There is Monopoly similar to the board game.

I know there used to be a bop-it game but for some reason, this installation doesn't include it. Maybe it's on the site as a stand alone game somewhere.  I used to like that one.  I'll check it out.

On 4/12/2020 4:43 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Ron:


I was able to go to the desktop and type the letter K and I found it with no problems.  I actually played Hangman and I stunk at it.  It has been a long time.  I really enjoy that game.  Can you recommend any of the other games in that package I just downloaded?  Not really into sports.


Donna, you had suggested that I download game world and I did and I got my account all set up but had no idea how to start games and how the whole thing worked.  If you wish to write off line, please do.  Another problem I had is when I closed the app and then opened it again later, it crashed on me several times. Have you ever had this problem before?  I called Apple Accessibility and the agent was terrified when I opened the app.  It was a strange picture of an ugly looking cat and it lasted ten seconds and then the app crashed.  I will try downloading it again like he suggested but if this is going to keep happening, I won't bother using it.  One more question, how do friends find you and how do I find friends?  Thank you all for your help.  It is greatly appreciated.

Shelly

On 4/11/2020 9:10 PM, Dave wrote:
Hello Olusegun,


<Slight laugh>  I think Grumpiness happens when you Care too much about
something, but can't do a darn thing to change it.


But, if you Need Grumpy Lessons, I probably could enroll you in the Next
"Intro to Grumpiness" class.   Let me know eh?


As for the Backgammon lessons-


I would think you should be able to Google for the Rules of Backgammon.


However, if you would like the Personal Touch, I could call you, or you
me, and you could have your Backgammon board and I mine, and I could
walk you through the basics.


If you have ever played "Aggravation", or Parcheesi" or Trouble, all of
these Games are similar to Backgammon.


The one thing Backgammon has, that adds a great deal to the Game is the
Doubling Cube.


Since Backgammon is a Dice game, there is a great deal of "Chance"
involved.  So much so, that a Beginner player, could beat an Expert
player if they were to only play one game.  The beginner player happen
to roll some great Dice, and the Expert couldn't roll Doubles if he had to.

So, what most do who are serious Backgammon players do,  is to play a
Tournament.  Which is an agreed on number of Games.  Say 10 Games, or 50
Games.


At the start of the Game, that game is worth only One Game. So if you
should win that game, you can put that one game in the Win Col um.


Where the Doubling Cube comes into play is when Grumpy Dave is playing
against Olusegun
, and Dave looks at the Board and the placement of his Pieces, and the
placement of your Pieces, and notices that he is ahead.


Dave could then take the Doubling Cube, and place it on your side of the
board, as he says, I Double you.  by my doing this, I have just
challenged you to raise the worth of the current Game to be Double of
what it had been before.  Since the game was worth only one game, to
double the worth of that game would now make that game worth two games
to the person who wins that game.


Now if you hear my challenge, and you take a look at the Board and the
arrangement of the pieces, and you determine there is no way you will
win, you can refuse the offer to Double, and at that point the game is
over, as to refuse the offer to double is an automatic Forfeit of that
game.


Because the nature of Backgammon is very fluid, a couple of bad dice
rolls and a couple of good ones by the opponent, could easily turn a
losing game for you, into one that is now a winning game for you.


As the game progresses, perhaps the advantage has swung in your
direction, and it is now you who looks to be winning.  You could then
challenge me by stating that you are Doubling me, and if I refuse, you
win two games, since that is what the game was worth when I refused the
offer to Double.  Now if I accept your challenge, the game we are
playing, is now worth 4 games.


the Doubling cube goes all the way up to 64.


So if that game is now worth 4 games, the winner would be able to add
four games to the win column.



Having this Doubling Cube adds a great deal of extra energy to the game.


There is much more to the game, and you can read the rules, but the best
way to get an idea is for us to talk by phone, and for both of us to
have a Backgammon game in front of us as we talk.


Back in the 1980's when this game was much more popular, I almost
Monthly would lower my Rent by $50 as my Land Lord was an avid player,
and we would play for money.  In his case I had to give him money, or
take him out to some place for dinner, or lunch, and if I won the
Tournament, he would play to a limit of $50 lost, which he would then
take off of my next months rent.


Backgammon is my all time favorite game, too bad it's popularity has
gone down to just about Zero.


Perhaps the game is still popular within some cultures from other
Countries.  But, have never checked this out.


Let me know if you want to talk by phone for some Backgammon
instruction, and we will make arrangements to make it happen.


Grumpy Dave







Re: Games to play?

Shelly Kane
 

Gene:


Thank you so much for telling me this.  I kind of had a feeling and tried it last night and it worked.

Shelly

On 4/12/2020 7:25 AM, Gene wrote:
This may help you when sighted people are telling you what to do.  The person you were talking to wanted you to open the start menu. I don’t know what she wanted you to do after that.  Others with Windows 10 may explain further what you do after you open the start menu.  I don’t have Windows 10 and my explanation may not completely apply. 
 
The start button is at the bottom left of the screen, but for you just pressing the Windows key opens the start menu and places you in the search field.  It does the same thing as clicking the start button with a mouse. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Games to play?
 
Ron:


I was able to go to the desktop and type the letter K and I found it
with no problems.  I actually played Hangman and I stunk at it.  It has
been a long time.  I really enjoy that game.  Can you recommend any of
the other games in that package I just downloaded?  Not really into sports.


Donna, you had suggested that I download game world and I did and I got
my account all set up but had no idea how to start games and how the
whole thing worked.  If you wish to write off line, please do.  Another
problem I had is when I closed the app and then opened it again later,
it crashed on me several times.  Have you ever had this problem before? 
I called Apple Accessibility and the agent was terrified when I opened
the app.  It was a strange picture of an ugly looking cat and it lasted
ten seconds and then the app crashed.  I will try downloading it again
like he suggested but if this is going to keep happening, I won't bother
using it.  One more question, how do friends find you and how do I find
friends?  Thank you all for your help.  It is greatly appreciated.

Shelly

On 4/11/2020 9:10 PM, Dave wrote:
> Hello Olusegun,
>
>
> <Slight laugh>  I think Grumpiness happens when you Care too much about
> something, but can't do a darn thing to change it.
>
>
> But, if you Need Grumpy Lessons, I probably could enroll you in the Next
> "Intro to Grumpiness" class.   Let me know eh?
>
>
> As for the Backgammon lessons-
>
>
> I would think you should be able to Google for the Rules of Backgammon.
>
>
> However, if you would like the Personal Touch, I could call you, or you
> me, and you could have your Backgammon board and I mine, and I could
> walk you through the basics.
>
>
> If you have ever played "Aggravation", or Parcheesi" or Trouble, all of
> these Games are similar to Backgammon.
>
>
> The one thing Backgammon has, that adds a great deal to the Game is the
> Doubling Cube.
>
>
> Since Backgammon is a Dice game, there is a great deal of "Chance"
> involved.  So much so, that a Beginner player, could beat an Expert
> player if they were to only play one game.  The beginner player happen
> to roll some great Dice, and the Expert couldn't roll Doubles if he
> had to.
>
> So, what most do who are serious Backgammon players do,  is to play a
> Tournament.  Which is an agreed on number of Games.  Say 10 Games, or 50
> Games.
>
>
> At the start of the Game, that game is worth only One Game.  So if you
> should win that game, you can put that one game in the Win Col um.
>
>
> Where the Doubling Cube comes into play is when Grumpy Dave is playing
> against Olusegun
> , and Dave looks at the Board and the placement of his Pieces, and the
> placement of your Pieces, and notices that he is ahead.
>
>
> Dave could then take the Doubling Cube, and place it on your side of the
> board, as he says, I Double you.  by my doing this, I have just
> challenged you to raise the worth of the current Game to be Double of
> what it had been before.  Since the game was worth only one game, to
> double the worth of that game would now make that game worth two games
> to the person who wins that game.
>
>
> Now if you hear my challenge, and you take a look at the Board and the
> arrangement of the pieces, and you determine there is no way you will
> win, you can refuse the offer to Double, and at that point the game is
> over, as to refuse the offer to double is an automatic Forfeit of that
> game.
>
>
> Because the nature of Backgammon is very fluid, a couple of bad dice
> rolls and a couple of good ones by the opponent, could easily turn a
> losing game for you, into one that is now a winning game for you.
>
>
> As the game progresses, perhaps the advantage has swung in your
> direction, and it is now you who looks to be winning.  You could then
> challenge me by stating that you are Doubling me, and if I refuse, you
> win two games, since that is what the game was worth when I refused the
> offer to Double.  Now if I accept your challenge, the game we are
> playing, is now worth 4 games.
>
>
> the Doubling cube goes all the way up to 64.
>
>
> So if that game is now worth 4 games, the winner would be able to add
> four games to the win column.
>
>
>
> Having this Doubling Cube adds a great deal of extra energy to the game.
>
>
> There is much more to the game, and you can read the rules, but the best
> way to get an idea is for us to talk by phone, and for both of us to
> have a Backgammon game in front of us as we talk.
>
>
> Back in the 1980's when this game was much more popular, I almost
> Monthly would lower my Rent by $50 as my Land Lord was an avid player,
> and we would play for money.  In his case I had to give him money, or
> take him out to some place for dinner, or lunch, and if I won the
> Tournament, he would play to a limit of $50 lost, which he would then
> take off of my next months rent.
>
>
> Backgammon is my all time favorite game, too bad it's popularity has
> gone down to just about Zero.
>
>
> Perhaps the game is still popular within some cultures from other
> Countries.  But, have never checked this out.
>
>
> Let me know if you want to talk by phone for some Backgammon
> instruction, and we will make arrangements to make it happen.
>
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: OT, happy easter

Shelly Kane
 

Happy Easter Everyone!  Hope you all are having a great day despite the circumstances.  Try to make the best of it.  Stay safe and healthy.

Shelly

On 4/12/2020 4:26 AM, Victor wrote:
Hi all:

I also wish everyone a happy Easter!

Blessings,

Victor
On Apr 12, 2020, at 3:23 AM, aisha <2001.aisha123@gmail.com> wrote:

hi all,


I hope everyone has a great easter sunday today what ever you are doing.


and a safe one too


aisha



.


Re: Games to play?

Curtis Delzer
 

the Jim Kitchen suite of games.

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@calweb.com

On 4/12/2020 8:11 AM, Marie wrote:
I apologize for asking, but have not been following this thread, so what is the app being discussed here? Thanks
Marie
-----Original Message----- From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 3:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Games to play?
Shelly, try the Skunk game.  It is very simple but becomes kind of
addictive once you start playing.  Also, you might enjoy the Casino
suite which includes Blackjack, Roulette, Slot Machine and Draw Poker.
Gerald
On 4/12/2020 4:43 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Ron:


I was able to go to the desktop and type the letter K and I found it with no problems.  I actually played Hangman and I stunk at it.  It has been a long time.  I really enjoy that game.  Can you recommend any of the other games in that package I just downloaded?  Not really into sports.


Donna, you had suggested that I download game world and I did and I got my account all set up but had no idea how to start games and how the whole thing worked.  If you wish to write off line, please do.
Another problem I had is when I closed the app and then opened it again later, it crashed on me several times.  Have you ever had this problem before?  I called Apple Accessibility and the agent was terrified when I opened the app.  It was a strange picture of an ugly looking cat and it lasted ten seconds and then the app crashed.  I will try downloading it again like he suggested but if this is going to keep happening, I won't bother using it.  One more question, how do friends find you and how do I find friends?  Thank you all for your help.  It is greatly appreciated.

Shelly

On 4/11/2020 9:10 PM, Dave wrote:
Hello Olusegun,


<Slight laugh>  I think Grumpiness happens when you Care too much about
something, but can't do a darn thing to change it.


But, if you Need Grumpy Lessons, I probably could enroll you in the Next
"Intro to Grumpiness" class.   Let me know eh?


As for the Backgammon lessons-


I would think you should be able to Google for the Rules of Backgammon.


However, if you would like the Personal Touch, I could call you, or you
me, and you could have your Backgammon board and I mine, and I could
walk you through the basics.


If you have ever played "Aggravation", or Parcheesi" or Trouble, all of
these Games are similar to Backgammon.


The one thing Backgammon has, that adds a great deal to the Game is the
Doubling Cube.


Since Backgammon is a Dice game, there is a great deal of "Chance"
involved.  So much so, that a Beginner player, could beat an Expert
player if they were to only play one game.  The beginner player happen
to roll some great Dice, and the Expert couldn't roll Doubles if he had to.

So, what most do who are serious Backgammon players do,  is to play a
Tournament.  Which is an agreed on number of Games.  Say 10 Games, or 50
Games.


At the start of the Game, that game is worth only One Game.  So if you
should win that game, you can put that one game in the Win Col um.


Where the Doubling Cube comes into play is when Grumpy Dave is playing
against Olusegun
, and Dave looks at the Board and the placement of his Pieces, and the
placement of your Pieces, and notices that he is ahead.


Dave could then take the Doubling Cube, and place it on your side of the
board, as he says, I Double you.  by my doing this, I have just
challenged you to raise the worth of the current Game to be Double of
what it had been before.  Since the game was worth only one game, to
double the worth of that game would now make that game worth two games
to the person who wins that game.


Now if you hear my challenge, and you take a look at the Board and the
arrangement of the pieces, and you determine there is no way you will
win, you can refuse the offer to Double, and at that point the game is
over, as to refuse the offer to double is an automatic Forfeit of that
game.


Because the nature of Backgammon is very fluid, a couple of bad dice
rolls and a couple of good ones by the opponent, could easily turn a
losing game for you, into one that is now a winning game for you.


As the game progresses, perhaps the advantage has swung in your
direction, and it is now you who looks to be winning.  You could then
challenge me by stating that you are Doubling me, and if I refuse, you
win two games, since that is what the game was worth when I refused the
offer to Double.  Now if I accept your challenge, the game we are
playing, is now worth 4 games.


the Doubling cube goes all the way up to 64.


So if that game is now worth 4 games, the winner would be able to add
four games to the win column.



Having this Doubling Cube adds a great deal of extra energy to the game.


There is much more to the game, and you can read the rules, but the best
way to get an idea is for us to talk by phone, and for both of us to
have a Backgammon game in front of us as we talk.


Back in the 1980's when this game was much more popular, I almost
Monthly would lower my Rent by $50 as my Land Lord was an avid player,
and we would play for money.  In his case I had to give him money, or
take him out to some place for dinner, or lunch, and if I won the
Tournament, he would play to a limit of $50 lost, which he would then
take off of my next months rent.


Backgammon is my all time favorite game, too bad it's popularity has
gone down to just about Zero.


Perhaps the game is still popular within some cultures from other
Countries.  But, have never checked this out.


Let me know if you want to talk by phone for some Backgammon
instruction, and we will make arrangements to make it happen.


Grumpy Dave








Re: Saving the URL from an Internet Radio Station as a .pls or .m3u playlist file

-
 

I went to the url given and chose an example stream. The listen live is the url of interest.
Download that file, using a text editor the actual active url is given, in the example:

http://cms.stream.publicradio.org/cms.mp3

When fed to a media player the stream started. There are more examples of a stream in addition to pls and mu3; as the above illustrates.

I have used this method several times to find the active stream url for web stations.

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020, Gene wrote:

Here is the page:
https://billsparks.net/

If you want to search for a station, use your sscreen-reader???s find command to look for the word search. Be at the top of the page when you use the find command. it???s a link. Follow it and you will be on a search page.
There is an edit field, use the letter e to move to it and search for a station.
When the results page comes up, use your screen-reader???s find function again and from the top of the page, look for the word results.
Then start looking down.

If the result you want has a play in media player link, that???s the one you want to follow. You may find two links, something like play in browser and play in media player. If you follow the media player link, the stream will play in your default player. You can book mark it in the player itself or you can probably copy the link itself to the clipboard. If you want to know how, I???ll explain it in another message.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 4:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Saving the URL from an Internet Radio Station as a .pls or .m3u playlist file

You may find streams you can use by using the Bill Sparks radio page. I???ll look it up and send it in a later message.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:36 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Saving the URL from an Internet Radio Station as a .pls or .m3u playlist file

Hi Steven,

I have done this in the past with mixed results. If the player is a JAVA based player, lots of luck. The only way to get a streaming address when the player is a Java player is to use a program like IP Sniffer and pick from several IP addresses that show up under the program. I know sighted people who have had good results doing this, but the program is largely inaccessible with JAWS and NVDA.




On 4/11/2020 1:19 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:

I am messing around with the Blaze ET, trying to load a few of my favorite streaming radio stations. I know that I need to take the URL of a stream and make a .pls or .m3u playlist file out of it. My difficulty is finding the right URL that will make a stream start playing when pasted into the address bar of my browser. I can make the stream play within my browser, but the URL that shows up on my address bar when the stream is playing never seems to work when I save it as a favorite, or copy it to clipboard and then try to open it by pasting it on to my address bar. Anyone ever monkeyed around with this and had success?



--
XR


Re: Saving the URL from an Internet Radio Station as a .pls or .m3u playlist file

-
 

I went to the url given and chose a station. The listenlive url was downloaded as a file.
If you use a text editor; inside that file an url of the actual link is given. Here is the url of the example:

http://cms.stream.publicradio.org/cms.mp3

When given to a media player the stream starts.

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020, Gene wrote:

Here is the page:
https://billsparks.net/

If you want to search for a station, use your sscreen-reader???s find command to look for the word search. Be at the top of the page when you use the find command. it???s a link. Follow it and you will be on a search page.
There is an edit field, use the letter e to move to it and search for a station.
When the results page comes up, use your screen-reader???s find function again and from the top of the page, look for the word results.
Then start looking down.

If the result you want has a play in media player link, that???s the one you want to follow. You may find two links, something like play in browser and play in media player. If you follow the media player link, the stream will play in your default player. You can book mark it in the player itself or you can probably copy the link itself to the clipboard. If you want to know how, I???ll explain it in another message.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 4:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Saving the URL from an Internet Radio Station as a .pls or .m3u playlist file

You may find streams you can use by using the Bill Sparks radio page. I???ll look it up and send it in a later message.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:36 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Saving the URL from an Internet Radio Station as a .pls or .m3u playlist file

Hi Steven,

I have done this in the past with mixed results. If the player is a JAVA based player, lots of luck. The only way to get a streaming address when the player is a Java player is to use a program like IP Sniffer and pick from several IP addresses that show up under the program. I know sighted people who have had good results doing this, but the program is largely inaccessible with JAWS and NVDA.




On 4/11/2020 1:19 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:

I am messing around with the Blaze ET, trying to load a few of my favorite streaming radio stations. I know that I need to take the URL of a stream and make a .pls or .m3u playlist file out of it. My difficulty is finding the right URL that will make a stream start playing when pasted into the address bar of my browser. I can make the stream play within my browser, but the URL that shows up on my address bar when the stream is playing never seems to work when I save it as a favorite, or copy it to clipboard and then try to open it by pasting it on to my address bar. Anyone ever monkeyed around with this and had success?



--
XR


Re: Games to play?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Pam,

Jim Kitchen definitely had a bop it game. I still haven't gotten around to looking for it. I will.

On 4/12/2020 12:03 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
I actually had the physical bopit game, and the bopit extreme.  These were actual electronic games, not on the computer.  But I did hear they made computer ones.  Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 9:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Games to play?

Hi Shelly,

The sports games are what I like. In particular, Golf and Baseball.
There are Casino games.  The games gives you the instructions for each
of the various card games and how to play if you don't know these real
card games.

Trucker is also a nice game.  You are a trucker and you pick a route to
go cross country.  You get to choose one of four routes.  There are
advantages and disadvantages to each of the routes.  You get a certain
amount of money to start, to pick sleep times, gas up times and so on.
If you complete the trick the game sis over and you win. If you are out
of cash or out of gas and/or the police stop you too many times and you
wind up in jail, you lose the game.

There are some adult oriented games such as coupling and dungeons and
dragons.  The rules are explained when you launch these games. There is
also a concentration game similar to the old TV game show. There is
Monopoly similar to the board game.

I know there used to be a bop-it game but for some reason, this
installation doesn't include it. Maybe it's on the site as a stand alone
game somewhere.  I used to like that one.  I'll check it out.

On 4/12/2020 4:43 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Ron:


I was able to go to the desktop and type the letter K and I found it with no problems.  I actually played Hangman and I stunk at it.  It has been a long time.  I really enjoy that game.  Can you recommend any of the other games in that package I just downloaded?  Not really into sports.


Donna, you had suggested that I download game world and I did and I got my account all set up but had no idea how to start games and how the whole thing worked.  If you wish to write off line, please do.  Another problem I had is when I closed the app and then opened it again later, it crashed on me several times. Have you ever had this problem before?  I called Apple Accessibility and the agent was terrified when I opened the app.  It was a strange picture of an ugly looking cat and it lasted ten seconds and then the app crashed.  I will try downloading it again like he suggested but if this is going to keep happening, I won't bother using it.  One more question, how do friends find you and how do I find friends?  Thank you all for your help.  It is greatly appreciated.

Shelly

On 4/11/2020 9:10 PM, Dave wrote:
Hello Olusegun,


<Slight laugh>  I think Grumpiness happens when you Care too much about
something, but can't do a darn thing to change it.


But, if you Need Grumpy Lessons, I probably could enroll you in the Next
"Intro to Grumpiness" class.   Let me know eh?


As for the Backgammon lessons-


I would think you should be able to Google for the Rules of Backgammon.


However, if you would like the Personal Touch, I could call you, or you
me, and you could have your Backgammon board and I mine, and I could
walk you through the basics.


If you have ever played "Aggravation", or Parcheesi" or Trouble, all of
these Games are similar to Backgammon.


The one thing Backgammon has, that adds a great deal to the Game is the
Doubling Cube.


Since Backgammon is a Dice game, there is a great deal of "Chance"
involved.  So much so, that a Beginner player, could beat an Expert
player if they were to only play one game.  The beginner player happen
to roll some great Dice, and the Expert couldn't roll Doubles if he had to.

So, what most do who are serious Backgammon players do,  is to play a
Tournament.  Which is an agreed on number of Games.  Say 10 Games, or 50
Games.


At the start of the Game, that game is worth only One Game. So if you
should win that game, you can put that one game in the Win Col um.


Where the Doubling Cube comes into play is when Grumpy Dave is playing
against Olusegun
, and Dave looks at the Board and the placement of his Pieces, and the
placement of your Pieces, and notices that he is ahead.


Dave could then take the Doubling Cube, and place it on your side of the
board, as he says, I Double you.  by my doing this, I have just
challenged you to raise the worth of the current Game to be Double of
what it had been before.  Since the game was worth only one game, to
double the worth of that game would now make that game worth two games
to the person who wins that game.


Now if you hear my challenge, and you take a look at the Board and the
arrangement of the pieces, and you determine there is no way you will
win, you can refuse the offer to Double, and at that point the game is
over, as to refuse the offer to double is an automatic Forfeit of that
game.


Because the nature of Backgammon is very fluid, a couple of bad dice
rolls and a couple of good ones by the opponent, could easily turn a
losing game for you, into one that is now a winning game for you.


As the game progresses, perhaps the advantage has swung in your
direction, and it is now you who looks to be winning.  You could then
challenge me by stating that you are Doubling me, and if I refuse, you
win two games, since that is what the game was worth when I refused the
offer to Double.  Now if I accept your challenge, the game we are
playing, is now worth 4 games.


the Doubling cube goes all the way up to 64.


So if that game is now worth 4 games, the winner would be able to add
four games to the win column.



Having this Doubling Cube adds a great deal of extra energy to the game.


There is much more to the game, and you can read the rules, but the best
way to get an idea is for us to talk by phone, and for both of us to
have a Backgammon game in front of us as we talk.


Back in the 1980's when this game was much more popular, I almost
Monthly would lower my Rent by $50 as my Land Lord was an avid player,
and we would play for money.  In his case I had to give him money, or
take him out to some place for dinner, or lunch, and if I won the
Tournament, he would play to a limit of $50 lost, which he would then
take off of my next months rent.


Backgammon is my all time favorite game, too bad it's popularity has
gone down to just about Zero.


Perhaps the game is still popular within some cultures from other
Countries.  But, have never checked this out.


Let me know if you want to talk by phone for some Backgammon
instruction, and we will make arrangements to make it happen.


Grumpy Dave






--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Games to play?

Dave
 

I too have one of those Bop-it games.  Never heard of the Extreme
version, what is that like?


I love playing mine from time to time.  Can't get anyone else to play it
with me.  No one likes Memory games but me in our family.


I have an Old Old Simon Game that is also one of my Favorites, and no
one wants to play that either. Boo Hoo!


Grumpy Dave


Jaws, NVDA & Google Chrome

Walter Ramage
 

Hi All.  I am finding that increasingly web sites won't support I.E. and although many still do, it is happening more often that they are instructing me to get a more up-to-date browser and I think the time for doing so has arrived.

 

I am at this point using Jaws 17 on this computer and I'm not at this point able to upgrade to a higher version but that means I can't use Google Chrome, at least not to it's fullest potential.

 

I'm just trying to think of the options I have.

 

One option is to use Firefox or Brave but will I get full function whilst I use Jaws 17 with these two browsers and if I would, which versions of either of these two is the optimal for using with Jaws 17?

 

Another option is to use NVDA but would I get full function of Google Chrome if I did use NVDA.  If I could stick with Jaws that would please me the most as I am familiar with that screen reader.

 

Whether I go for Firefox, Brave or even Google Chrome or even use NVDA I will have a learning curve and I wonder which would be the least troublesome.

 

Opinions and observations are welcome please.  Walter.


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Re: Games to play?

Pamela Dominguez
 

I actually had the physical bopit game, and the bopit extreme. These were actual electronic games, not on the computer. But I did hear they made computer ones. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 9:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Games to play?

Hi Shelly,

The sports games are what I like. In particular, Golf and Baseball.
There are Casino games. The games gives you the instructions for each
of the various card games and how to play if you don't know these real
card games.

Trucker is also a nice game. You are a trucker and you pick a route to
go cross country. You get to choose one of four routes. There are
advantages and disadvantages to each of the routes. You get a certain
amount of money to start, to pick sleep times, gas up times and so on.
If you complete the trick the game sis over and you win. If you are out
of cash or out of gas and/or the police stop you too many times and you
wind up in jail, you lose the game.

There are some adult oriented games such as coupling and dungeons and
dragons. The rules are explained when you launch these games. There is
also a concentration game similar to the old TV game show. There is
Monopoly similar to the board game.

I know there used to be a bop-it game but for some reason, this
installation doesn't include it. Maybe it's on the site as a stand alone
game somewhere. I used to like that one. I'll check it out.

On 4/12/2020 4:43 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Ron:


I was able to go to the desktop and type the letter K and I found it with no problems. I actually played Hangman and I stunk at it. It has been a long time. I really enjoy that game. Can you recommend any of the other games in that package I just downloaded? Not really into sports.


Donna, you had suggested that I download game world and I did and I got my account all set up but had no idea how to start games and how the whole thing worked. If you wish to write off line, please do. Another problem I had is when I closed the app and then opened it again later, it crashed on me several times. Have you ever had this problem before? I called Apple Accessibility and the agent was terrified when I opened the app. It was a strange picture of an ugly looking cat and it lasted ten seconds and then the app crashed. I will try downloading it again like he suggested but if this is going to keep happening, I won't bother using it. One more question, how do friends find you and how do I find friends? Thank you all for your help. It is greatly appreciated.

Shelly

On 4/11/2020 9:10 PM, Dave wrote:
Hello Olusegun,


<Slight laugh> I think Grumpiness happens when you Care too much about
something, but can't do a darn thing to change it.


But, if you Need Grumpy Lessons, I probably could enroll you in the Next
"Intro to Grumpiness" class. Let me know eh?


As for the Backgammon lessons-


I would think you should be able to Google for the Rules of Backgammon.


However, if you would like the Personal Touch, I could call you, or you
me, and you could have your Backgammon board and I mine, and I could
walk you through the basics.


If you have ever played "Aggravation", or Parcheesi" or Trouble, all of
these Games are similar to Backgammon.


The one thing Backgammon has, that adds a great deal to the Game is the
Doubling Cube.


Since Backgammon is a Dice game, there is a great deal of "Chance"
involved. So much so, that a Beginner player, could beat an Expert
player if they were to only play one game. The beginner player happen
to roll some great Dice, and the Expert couldn't roll Doubles if he had to.

So, what most do who are serious Backgammon players do, is to play a
Tournament. Which is an agreed on number of Games. Say 10 Games, or 50
Games.


At the start of the Game, that game is worth only One Game. So if you
should win that game, you can put that one game in the Win Col um.


Where the Doubling Cube comes into play is when Grumpy Dave is playing
against Olusegun
, and Dave looks at the Board and the placement of his Pieces, and the
placement of your Pieces, and notices that he is ahead.


Dave could then take the Doubling Cube, and place it on your side of the
board, as he says, I Double you. by my doing this, I have just
challenged you to raise the worth of the current Game to be Double of
what it had been before. Since the game was worth only one game, to
double the worth of that game would now make that game worth two games
to the person who wins that game.


Now if you hear my challenge, and you take a look at the Board and the
arrangement of the pieces, and you determine there is no way you will
win, you can refuse the offer to Double, and at that point the game is
over, as to refuse the offer to double is an automatic Forfeit of that
game.


Because the nature of Backgammon is very fluid, a couple of bad dice
rolls and a couple of good ones by the opponent, could easily turn a
losing game for you, into one that is now a winning game for you.


As the game progresses, perhaps the advantage has swung in your
direction, and it is now you who looks to be winning. You could then
challenge me by stating that you are Doubling me, and if I refuse, you
win two games, since that is what the game was worth when I refused the
offer to Double. Now if I accept your challenge, the game we are
playing, is now worth 4 games.


the Doubling cube goes all the way up to 64.


So if that game is now worth 4 games, the winner would be able to add
four games to the win column.



Having this Doubling Cube adds a great deal of extra energy to the game.


There is much more to the game, and you can read the rules, but the best
way to get an idea is for us to talk by phone, and for both of us to
have a Backgammon game in front of us as we talk.


Back in the 1980's when this game was much more popular, I almost
Monthly would lower my Rent by $50 as my Land Lord was an avid player,
and we would play for money. In his case I had to give him money, or
take him out to some place for dinner, or lunch, and if I won the
Tournament, he would play to a limit of $50 lost, which he would then
take off of my next months rent.


Backgammon is my all time favorite game, too bad it's popularity has
gone down to just about Zero.


Perhaps the game is still popular within some cultures from other
Countries. But, have never checked this out.


Let me know if you want to talk by phone for some Backgammon
instruction, and we will make arrangements to make it happen.


Grumpy Dave






--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"





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Re: Games to play?

Dave
 

Most it has been about the various Games Jim Kitchen wrote, all to be Accessible.


The last few messages have mostly been about which game or games a person enjoyed, and any comments about Jim himself. Who was quite the Character.


Grumpy Dave


Re: Games to play?

Marie
 

I apologize for asking, but have not been following this thread, so what is the app being discussed here? Thanks



Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 3:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Games to play?


Shelly, try the Skunk game. It is very simple but becomes kind of
addictive once you start playing. Also, you might enjoy the Casino
suite which includes Blackjack, Roulette, Slot Machine and Draw Poker.


Gerald



On 4/12/2020 4:43 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Ron:


I was able to go to the desktop and type the letter K and I found it with no problems. I actually played Hangman and I stunk at it. It has been a long time. I really enjoy that game. Can you recommend any of the other games in that package I just downloaded? Not really into sports.


Donna, you had suggested that I download game world and I did and I got my account all set up but had no idea how to start games and how the whole thing worked. If you wish to write off line, please do. Another problem I had is when I closed the app and then opened it again later, it crashed on me several times. Have you ever had this problem before? I called Apple Accessibility and the agent was terrified when I opened the app. It was a strange picture of an ugly looking cat and it lasted ten seconds and then the app crashed. I will try downloading it again like he suggested but if this is going to keep happening, I won't bother using it. One more question, how do friends find you and how do I find friends? Thank you all for your help. It is greatly appreciated.

Shelly

On 4/11/2020 9:10 PM, Dave wrote:
Hello Olusegun,


<Slight laugh> I think Grumpiness happens when you Care too much about
something, but can't do a darn thing to change it.


But, if you Need Grumpy Lessons, I probably could enroll you in the Next
"Intro to Grumpiness" class. Let me know eh?


As for the Backgammon lessons-


I would think you should be able to Google for the Rules of Backgammon.


However, if you would like the Personal Touch, I could call you, or you
me, and you could have your Backgammon board and I mine, and I could
walk you through the basics.


If you have ever played "Aggravation", or Parcheesi" or Trouble, all of
these Games are similar to Backgammon.


The one thing Backgammon has, that adds a great deal to the Game is the
Doubling Cube.


Since Backgammon is a Dice game, there is a great deal of "Chance"
involved. So much so, that a Beginner player, could beat an Expert
player if they were to only play one game. The beginner player happen
to roll some great Dice, and the Expert couldn't roll Doubles if he had to.

So, what most do who are serious Backgammon players do, is to play a
Tournament. Which is an agreed on number of Games. Say 10 Games, or 50
Games.


At the start of the Game, that game is worth only One Game. So if you
should win that game, you can put that one game in the Win Col um.


Where the Doubling Cube comes into play is when Grumpy Dave is playing
against Olusegun
, and Dave looks at the Board and the placement of his Pieces, and the
placement of your Pieces, and notices that he is ahead.


Dave could then take the Doubling Cube, and place it on your side of the
board, as he says, I Double you. by my doing this, I have just
challenged you to raise the worth of the current Game to be Double of
what it had been before. Since the game was worth only one game, to
double the worth of that game would now make that game worth two games
to the person who wins that game.


Now if you hear my challenge, and you take a look at the Board and the
arrangement of the pieces, and you determine there is no way you will
win, you can refuse the offer to Double, and at that point the game is
over, as to refuse the offer to double is an automatic Forfeit of that
game.


Because the nature of Backgammon is very fluid, a couple of bad dice
rolls and a couple of good ones by the opponent, could easily turn a
losing game for you, into one that is now a winning game for you.


As the game progresses, perhaps the advantage has swung in your
direction, and it is now you who looks to be winning. You could then
challenge me by stating that you are Doubling me, and if I refuse, you
win two games, since that is what the game was worth when I refused the
offer to Double. Now if I accept your challenge, the game we are
playing, is now worth 4 games.


the Doubling cube goes all the way up to 64.


So if that game is now worth 4 games, the winner would be able to add
four games to the win column.



Having this Doubling Cube adds a great deal of extra energy to the game.


There is much more to the game, and you can read the rules, but the best
way to get an idea is for us to talk by phone, and for both of us to
have a Backgammon game in front of us as we talk.


Back in the 1980's when this game was much more popular, I almost
Monthly would lower my Rent by $50 as my Land Lord was an avid player,
and we would play for money. In his case I had to give him money, or
take him out to some place for dinner, or lunch, and if I won the
Tournament, he would play to a limit of $50 lost, which he would then
take off of my next months rent.


Backgammon is my all time favorite game, too bad it's popularity has
gone down to just about Zero.


Perhaps the game is still popular within some cultures from other
Countries. But, have never checked this out.


Let me know if you want to talk by phone for some Backgammon
instruction, and we will make arrangements to make it happen.


Grumpy Dave








Re: accessible air purifier

Geoff Eden
 

Unfortunately, the way air purifiers work is that they set up an electric field that ionizes the dust and makes it stick to its elements for later cleaning. This electric field is not easily contained within this electric field's effects are not necessarily contained within the device, as the eye and ice particles pass out on the airstream and stick to anything that's slightly positively charged in the environment. Hence, there will always be a slight bloom of dust that sticks to things around an air purifier.

Geoff
 

From: Mike Gurney
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessible air purifier
 

Hello Robin

 

This machine does attract some dust but I think that is inevitable because of the way air purifiers work.  As they suck the air and all that it contains towards the unit, it inevitably attracts some just Etc. which doesn't make it right inside the machine.  I find a regular wipe around and over the unit will keep it to an acceptable level.  I have used my machines both on top of cupboards and also stood on the floor.

 

The one in my bedroom is never turned off and provided I wipe it over it isn't a problem.  I also VACUUM the grills which helps keep the dust issue to a MINIMUM.

  I believe Heaven Fresh are based in America.

 

Best wishes

 

Mike.

1/04/2020 23:51, Robin Frost wrote:

Hi Mike,

One more question for you. Every single air purifier I've ever had has sadly had the terrible problem of attracting a grey or black residue near wherever it's set up even if I placed it the prescribed 1 to 2 feet away from walls and the like. Is this a table top or floor standing model and have you had any difficulties with this unit drawing dirt to itself and depositing it on surfaces nearby? Thanks again for enlightening us all.

Take good care.

Robin

 

On 4/11/2020 4:25 PM, Mike Gurney wrote:
Hello Everyone


I found my Heaven Fresh air purifier on the Web.  I believe Amazon used to sell them.


My machines consume 20 watts on low setting and I believe  it is 40 watts on high.  My machines include a 3 speed fan setting, a timer which is not accessible and a low level ozone generator.


I hope I have answered all the questions.


Best wishes


Mike.

#/04/2020 20:27, Curtis Delzer wrote:

Mike, where did you get your Heaven sent air purifier?

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@...

On 4/11/2020 12:15 AM, Mike Gurney wrote:
Hello


I have a couple of heaven fresh 300 models which are both reasonably accessible.  They have buttons and the unit bleeps when the buttons are pressed.They also have an ultraviolet lamp inside which they claim will kill bugs and virus.    Filters last approximately 2 years if the units are in use 24 hour per day and 7 days a week.


Best wishes


Mike

On 11/04/2020 07:18, heather albright wrote:

Hello, does anyone know of any accessible air

Purifiers? They the apartments said I cant get any knew air filters till all of this is over. So I needed away to clean my air around me. I just want to know has anyone found one that is accessible either with buttons or threw the app! It would have to be a stand alone, not one that is connected to my air AC  unit; it is not allowed! Thanks stay safe everyone Heather









Re: accessible air purifier

Steve Matzura
 

If an air purifier attracts dust, isn't that what it's for? If the dust isn't being trapped by the internals of the machine, then the fan isn't strong enough, and I wouldn't consider owning that model.

On 4/12/2020 4:01 AM, Mike Gurney wrote:

Hello Robin


This machine does attract some dust but I think that is inevitable because of the way air purifiers work.  As they suck the air and all that it contains towards the unit, it inevitably attracts some just Etc. which doesn't make it right inside the machine.  I find a regular wipe around and over the unit will keep it to an acceptable level.  I have used my machines both on top of cupboards and also stood on the floor.


The one in my bedroom is never turned off and provided I wipe it over it isn't a problem.  I also VACUUM the grills which helps keep the dust issue to a MINIMUM.

  I believe Heaven Fresh are based in America.


Best wishes


Mike.

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