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Re: Changing Browsers

Gene
 

yes. I don't use tabs in that way.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 4:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers

Well Gene that's a matter of personal preference. I have several tabs that open when I launch chrome, including google, my banking site, audible, amazon and a number of others. This way I can launch the browser, then quickly move to the page I want by using control tab, or, since I've finally been able to remember the order of the tabs, I can press control 1 to move to my bank, control 4 to move to audible, etc. There are many ways to do things.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 1, 2020 6:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers

I consider it a bad use of the home page feature to have it be a search engine site in most cases. I, for example, would much rather have a news site as the home page, since I look at it a number of times a day to see what new content has been added.

Unless I want to conduct a search almost every time I open a browser, why have a search engine as the home page? I can simply issue the command control k, type a search and press enter no matter what page I'm on.

I, myself, would far rather have a news site as a home page, since I look at it a number of times a day to see if new content has been added. others might want another kind of home page but why use a search engine when conducting searches is so easy without being on the actual page?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 3:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers



Hi Nancy.



I use google chrome and ms edge. In both cases I have google set to be the
page I land on when the browser opens. I land on the search field for google
and I have forms mode automatically come on, so I just have to type what I’m
looking for, then press enter. When the page of search results loads I use
the R key to move to the main region of the page. I then use the H key to
move through the search results as most of them are denoted by a heading. If
you require assistance setting up chrome or edge I’m sure one of us can give
you a hand.



Cheers.



Chris Judge









From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy
Hill
Sent: September 1, 2020 12:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers





I am not good at explaining...When I go to google to look something up, IE
puts me right where I need to enter my inquiry. I do not see any mention of
IE...just the place where I neeed to ask my inquiry. When I have tried to
use edge, there seems to be more 'things' involved than just landingt on the
place I need to ask my question. That total simplicity is what I am looking
for in a new browser.



I am using an updated win10 and one of the latest jaws.



Thanks to all!

Nancy



On 8/31/2020 11:23 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:



On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 03:50 AM, chris judge wrote:



What do you mean by invisible?



-
I share this question. Without a definition of what this means, in
practice, it's really impossible to help much.

And, like so much in Windows, and in this case in browsers, ALT+D throws
focus straight to the web address edit box and selects what's already there,
so if you wish to overtype on a tab/page already open to go somewhere else
you can. It works in every modern browser I'm aware of and I just tested it
in Firefox, Edge, Chrome, and Brave and it has this behavior in all of them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely
fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Changing Browsers

chris judge
 

Well Gene that's a matter of personal preference. I have several tabs that open when I launch chrome, including google, my banking site, audible, amazon and a number of others. This way I can launch the browser, then quickly move to the page I want by using control tab, or, since I've finally been able to remember the order of the tabs, I can press control 1 to move to my bank, control 4 to move to audible, etc. There are many ways to do things.

Chris Judge

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 1, 2020 6:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers

I consider it a bad use of the home page feature to have it be a search engine site in most cases. I, for example, would much rather have a news site as the home page, since I look at it a number of times a day to see what new content has been added.

Unless I want to conduct a search almost every time I open a browser, why have a search engine as the home page? I can simply issue the command control k, type a search and press enter no matter what page I'm on.

I, myself, would far rather have a news site as a home page, since I look at it a number of times a day to see if new content has been added. others might want another kind of home page but why use a search engine when conducting searches is so easy without being on the actual page?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 3:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers



Hi Nancy.



I use google chrome and ms edge. In both cases I have google set to be the
page I land on when the browser opens. I land on the search field for google
and I have forms mode automatically come on, so I just have to type what I’m
looking for, then press enter. When the page of search results loads I use
the R key to move to the main region of the page. I then use the H key to
move through the search results as most of them are denoted by a heading. If
you require assistance setting up chrome or edge I’m sure one of us can give
you a hand.



Cheers.



Chris Judge









From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy
Hill
Sent: September 1, 2020 12:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers





I am not good at explaining...When I go to google to look something up, IE
puts me right where I need to enter my inquiry. I do not see any mention of
IE...just the place where I neeed to ask my inquiry. When I have tried to
use edge, there seems to be more 'things' involved than just landingt on the
place I need to ask my question. That total simplicity is what I am looking
for in a new browser.



I am using an updated win10 and one of the latest jaws.



Thanks to all!

Nancy



On 8/31/2020 11:23 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:



On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 03:50 AM, chris judge wrote:



What do you mean by invisible?



-
I share this question. Without a definition of what this means, in
practice, it's really impossible to help much.

And, like so much in Windows, and in this case in browsers, ALT+D throws
focus straight to the web address edit box and selects what's already there,
so if you wish to overtype on a tab/page already open to go somewhere else
you can. It works in every modern browser I'm aware of and I just tested it
in Firefox, Edge, Chrome, and Brave and it has this behavior in all of them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely
fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Changing Browsers

Gene
 

I consider it a bad use of the home page feature to have it be a search engine site in most cases. I, for example, would much rather have a news site as the home page, since I look at it a number of times a day to see what new content has been added.

Unless I want to conduct a search almost every time I open a browser, why have a search engine as the home page? I can simply issue the command control k, type a search and press enter no matter what page I'm on.

I, myself, would far rather have a news site as a home page, since I look at it a number of times a day to see if new content has been added. others might want another kind of home page but why use a search engine when conducting searches is so easy without being on the actual page?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 3:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers



Hi Nancy.



I use google chrome and ms edge. In both cases I have google set to be the page I land on when the browser opens. I land on the search field for google and I have forms mode automatically come on, so I just have to type what I’m looking for, then press enter. When the page of search results loads I use the R key to move to the main region of the page. I then use the H key to move through the search results as most of them are denoted by a heading. If you require assistance setting up chrome or edge I’m sure one of us can give you a hand.



Cheers.



Chris Judge









From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: September 1, 2020 12:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers





I am not good at explaining...When I go to google to look something up, IE puts me right where I need to enter my inquiry. I do not see any mention of IE...just the place where I neeed to ask my inquiry. When I have tried to use edge, there seems to be more 'things' involved than just landingt on the place I need to ask my question. That total simplicity is what I am looking for in a new browser.



I am using an updated win10 and one of the latest jaws.



Thanks to all!

Nancy



On 8/31/2020 11:23 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:



On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 03:50 AM, chris judge wrote:



What do you mean by invisible?



-
I share this question. Without a definition of what this means, in practice, it's really impossible to help much.

And, like so much in Windows, and in this case in browsers, ALT+D throws focus straight to the web address edit box and selects what's already there, so if you wish to overtype on a tab/page already open to go somewhere else you can. It works in every modern browser I'm aware of and I just tested it in Firefox, Edge, Chrome, and Brave and it has this behavior in all of them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Changing Browsers

chris judge
 

Hi Nancy.

 

I use google chrome and ms edge. In both cases I have google set to be the page I land on when the browser opens. I land on the search field for google and I have forms mode automatically come on, so I just have to type what I’m looking for, then press enter. When the page of search results loads I use the R key to move to the main region of the page. I then use the H key to move through the search results as most of them are denoted by a heading. If you require assistance setting up chrome or edge I’m sure one of us can give you a hand.

 

Cheers.  

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: September 1, 2020 12:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers

 

I am not good at explaining...When I go to google to look something up, IE puts me right where I need to enter my inquiry.  I do not see any mention of IE...just the place where I neeed to ask my inquiry.  When I have tried to use edge, there seems to be more 'things' involved than just landingt on the place I need to ask my question.  That total simplicity is what I am looking for in a new browser.

 

I am using an updated win10 and one of the latest jaws.

 

Thanks to all!

Nancy

On 8/31/2020 11:23 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 03:50 AM, chris judge wrote:

What do you mean by invisible?

-
I share this question.  Without a definition of what this means, in practice, it's really impossible to help much.

And, like so much in Windows, and in this case in browsers, ALT+D throws focus straight to the web address edit box and selects what's already there, so if you wish to overtype on a tab/page already open to go somewhere else you can.  It works in every modern browser I'm aware of and I just tested it in Firefox, Edge, Chrome, and Brave and it has this behavior in all of them.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Question About Desktop

Gene
 

I don't think people, even with good training are taught as well as they should be to infer form from how they move with the arrow keys. Good training will give some description of an interface, such as the Desktop is a list view with columns. But I don't recall anyone showing me how to move through the list view as I described. In other words, you can't do so from the keyboard efficiently if your intention is to look through every item unless you do what I described. there is no move to top of current column command, therefore, you go bac, to the beginning so you have a uniform starting point and right arrow to the next column you want to move down.

To use other movement following form examples, when you are using down arrow to move down a menu, you are actually moving down through items. When you press alt, then use the left and right arrow to move from one menu title to another, you are actually moving left or right from title to title, such as file, edit, etc. Of course, people take for granted that when you are moving in a document, the right arrow moves you right and the left left, etc. in the doccument. But this, in my experience, isn't consistently explained and taught else where.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 3:51 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About Desktop

Gene:


Thanks for chiming in. As I said before, I didn't know the desktop was
in columns. When I listen to the items I have in there, I usually do
first letter navigation or arrow through them. I never thought to use
the home key and right arrow to navigate around. I was never taught
that in training when I was young. Thanks again.

Shelly

On 8/29/2020 3:41 PM, Gene wrote:
It’s a good idea to provide a systeematic way of doing things in such cases. To illustrate in this case, as was said, the desktop is a list view in columns. Let's say you want to move through every item on the desktop to see what is there. When on the desktop, press home to move you to the top of the list at the left, the very beginning of the list. Down arrow through all the items you can. Then press home again to move to the top of the list, right arrow once, then down arrow through all the things in the second column. Again, use home, then right arrow two times, which will place you on the third column.

When you get to the last column and are down arrowing, you will either jump back to things you heard in the previous column at some point, or if the final column is full, you will stop at the bottom and still be in that column. But the desktop, if the final column isn't full, automatically moves you into the column to the left of where you are if you down arrow past the last item in that column and you aren't at the bottom of the column, in other words, if part of that column is not yet filled.

the concept of movement following form isn't taught well, if at all, in training. In other wordss, even though you can't see if a tool bar has items from left to right or up and down, if you can't move through the items by up or down arrowing but you can move through them with the left and right arrows, those aren't just meaningless arbitrary movement options. You move as the form of what you are moving through is laid out. Knowing this helps you understand how things are laid out and may help you brealize that if you can't move one way, try another.

It may also help you understand what you are doing when you look at something using screen review, keeping in mind that movement follows form.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 3:26 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About Desktop

Hi all,

Shelly, what operating system are you running? It depends on what OS
you're running as to where the downloads folder is. Before I explain
how to find your downloads folder, which is where all programs put
files unless you tell them differently, I want to explain your desktop to you.

Don't know where you got your training, but whomever it was did a poor
job in this area. Your desktop is a list view, but it is displayed in
columns and rows. Have you ever seen a bulletin board with pictures
and announcements and so on placed in columns and rows on it? There
will be a picture, and below that will be the menu for the kids'
lunches at school, to the right of the picture will be Martha's drawing
of Spot the Dog and so on. That's what your desktop looks like. So,
if you want to see items 8-14, use your right arrow key to move to the
second column of icons. You can always use first letter navigation
too, which is sometimes more efficient.

As for the downloads folder, that depends on the OS. If it's win10,
it's in 'this PC'. If it's Win7, look in 'computer' at:
c:\users\name\downloads\.

Ann P.


Original message:
Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop open
and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can only see
seven. How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I delete a
program from the desktop? One more thing, how do I get to the download
folder? I usually have all of my programs go right to desktop but
someone told me some of them may be in the downloads folder. Thanks in
advance.
Shelly


Re: switching browsers

Gene
 

there may be ways to get rid of some of it but not all of it. When you open a browser, type control l and type an address and press enter, or use a bookmark or use control k, type a search string and press enter. or follow a link that opens another page, in short, any time you do something that opens a page or when your home page opens, you will be in the web page with one exception. If you have set a blank page as your home page, you will be, I believe, on the address bar. Most people don't use a blank page. If you do , let us know.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 12:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Gene, I think you have interpreted what I meant. Do all the things

you mentioned have to sho up? I really only want to look for answers
or see what's out there. If I find something I want to keep, I simply
link to it and then put it in the Misc folder on my Desktop.

My simple system works well for me. Am I hearing thatany new browser I
set up will have all that extra stuff by default? Is there no way to
get rid of all that extra stuff?

Thanks,
Nancy

8/31/2020 7:46 PM, Gene wrote:
Are you talking about tool bars or other structures you can move to as you tab around the program window that are outside of the page? If so, and I'm still not sure what you are referring to, that sort of thing is standard today.

I'm not sure how or if you are moving out of the page after it loads. Use f6 if you are to return to the page. Once you are in the page, you won't leave it unless you tab or shift tab beyond the bottom or top of it. When you load a page, you should always be in the page.

I don't know if these comments will help because it isn't clear to me just what you are seeing but they may.

Without more information, I doubt that trying different browsers will help, as I said, having various tool bars and structures on screen in addition to the web page is standard these days.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 6:36 PM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Guys, Thanks for the tips on the browser.


By invisible, I mean that when I looked up something with IE, there was
no extraneous 'things' such as places to put favorites or anything like
that. I hope I can find another browser like that. I think I will see
about starting out with brave or the new edge.


After all, I did get used to win 10 even though I was very happy with win7.


Thank you for being there for me.


Nancy







Re: Changing Browsers

Gene
 

When you open Google as by typing the web site or making it your home page, you should be placed in the edit field as well. But there is no reason to actually go to Google or make it your home page if you are going to use Google to search. What could be more simple than typing control k, typing a search, and pressing enter.

If you aren't being placed in the edit field, when you open the site itself is something I'm not sure of why. That is controled by the site itself, which uses JAVA scripts to move the browser into the field when the site opens.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 10:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers



I am not good at explaining...When I go to google to look something up, IE puts me right where I need to enter my inquiry. I do not see any mention of IE...just the place where I neeed to ask my inquiry. When I have tried to use edge, there seems to be more 'things' involved than just landingt on the place I need to ask my question. That total simplicity is what I am looking for in a new browser.




I am using an updated win10 and one of the latest jaws.





Thanks to all!

Nancy


On 8/31/2020 11:23 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 03:50 AM, chris judge wrote:
What do you mean by invisible?-
I share this question. Without a definition of what this means, in practice, it's really impossible to help much.

And, like so much in Windows, and in this case in browsers, ALT+D throws focus straight to the web address edit box and selects what's already there, so if you wish to overtype on a tab/page already open to go somewhere else you can. It works in every modern browser I'm aware of and I just tested it in Firefox, Edge, Chrome, and Brave and it has this behavior in all of them.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Question About Desktop

Shelly Kane
 

Gene:


Thanks for chiming in.  As I said before, I didn't know the desktop was in columns.  When I listen to the items I have in there, I usually do first letter navigation or arrow through them.  I never thought to use the home key and right arrow to navigate around.  I was never taught that in training when I was young.  Thanks again.

Shelly

On 8/29/2020 3:41 PM, Gene wrote:
It’s a good idea to provide a systeematic way of doing things in such cases. To illustrate in this case, as was said, the desktop is a list view in columns.  Let's say you want to move through every item on the desktop to see what is there.  When on the desktop, press home to move you to the top of the list at the left, the very beginning of the list.  Down arrow through all the items you can.  Then press home again to move to the top of the list, right arrow once, then down arrow through all the things in the second column. Again, use home, then right arrow two times, which will place you on the third column.

When you get to the last column and are down arrowing, you will either jump back to things you heard in the previous column at some point, or if the final column is full, you will stop at the bottom and still be in that column.  But the desktop, if the final column isn't full, automatically moves you into the column to the left of where you are if you down arrow past the last item in that column and you aren't at the bottom of the column, in other words, if part of that column is not yet filled.

the concept of movement following form isn't taught well, if at all, in training.  In other wordss, even though you can't see if a tool bar has items from left to right or up and down, if you can't move through the items by up or down arrowing but you can move through them with the left and right arrows, those aren't just meaningless arbitrary movement options.  You move as the form of what you are moving through is laid out.  Knowing this helps you understand how things are laid out and may help you brealize that if you can't move one way, try another.

It may also help you understand what you are doing when you look at something using screen review, keeping in mind that movement follows form.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 3:26 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About Desktop

Hi all,

Shelly, what operating system are you running?   It depends on what OS
you're running as to where the downloads folder is.  Before I explain
how to find your downloads folder, which is where all programs put
files unless you tell them differently, I want to explain your desktop to you.

Don't know where you got your training, but whomever it was did a poor
job in this area.  Your desktop is a list view, but it is displayed in
columns and rows.  Have you ever seen a bulletin board with pictures
and announcements and so on placed in columns and rows on it? There
will be a picture, and below that will be the menu for the kids'
lunches at school, to the right of the picture will be Martha's drawing
of Spot the Dog and so on.   That's what your desktop looks like. So,
if you want to see items 8-14, use your right arrow key to move to the
second column of icons.  You can always use first letter navigation
too, which is sometimes more efficient.

As for the downloads folder, that depends on the OS.  If it's win10,
it's in 'this PC'.  If it's Win7, look in 'computer' at:
c:\users\name\downloads\.

Ann P.


Original message:
         Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop open
and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can only see
seven.  How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I delete a
program from the desktop?  One more thing, how do I get to the download
folder?  I usually have all of my programs go right to desktop but
someone told me some of them may be in the downloads folder. Thanks in
advance.
Shelly


Re: Question About Desktop

Shelly Kane
 

Ann:


Thanks for explaining  things to me.  I am totally blind and had no idea what the desktop looked like.  I would just arrow down and listen to the items that are there.  I will definitely do as you said and hit the right arrow key to move to the next column.  I am using Windows 10.  How do I find this PC?  I will admit, I didn't have the best training.  I don't want to get into personal things but I had a bad rehab counselor who basically thought I was retarded.  I don't like using that word but that's what he classified me as.  He wanted me in a sheltered workshop and I tried it for three days and it was degrading so I quit and put myself through college.  He wouldn't help me with that.

Shelly

On 8/29/2020 2:26 PM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,

Shelly, what operating system are you running?   It depends on what OS you're running as to where the downloads folder is. Before I explain how to find your downloads folder, which is where all programs put files unless you tell them differently, I want to explain your desktop to you.

Don't know where you got your training, but whomever it was did a poor job in this area.  Your desktop is a list view, but it is displayed in columns and rows.  Have you ever seen a bulletin board with pictures and announcements and so on placed in columns and rows on it?  There will be a picture, and below that will be the menu for the kids' lunches at school, to the right of the picture will be Martha's drawing of Spot the Dog and so on. That's what your desktop looks like.  So, if you want to see items 8-14, use your right arrow key to move to the second column of icons.  You can always use first letter navigation too, which is sometimes more efficient.

As for the downloads folder, that depends on the OS.  If it's win10, it's in 'this PC'.  If it's Win7, look in 'computer' at: c:\users\name\downloads\.

Ann P.


Original message:
         Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop open
and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can only see
seven.  How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I delete a
program from the desktop?  One more thing, how do I get to the download
folder?  I usually have all of my programs go right to desktop but
someone told me some of them may be in the downloads folder. Thanks in
advance.
Shelly


Re: Changing Browsers

Nancy Hill
 

Thank you Everyone...I am starting to get a little hope.  Hopefully I will give something new a whirl by the weekend.


Thanks,

Nancy

On 9/1/2020 12:00 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Not to mention that all modern browsers use what they tried to get the world to call the omnibox, which is what most of us still call the address box because that's mostly what we're used to entering in it.  But I don't know of a single browser these days where the address box/omnibox is not a combination web search box and address box.  If you type something like "largest cranberry harvest" and hit enter, the search engine you've chosen as your default will run that search and present the results to you then and there.

What each uses as the default search engine is different, but they all allow you to set up a search engine of your choosing in the settings.  You can be certain that Chrome has Google as its default search engine and that Edge has Bing.

And ALT+D will throw focus to the address box/omnibox in all of them, and if something already happens to be there, it will be selected, so you can just start typing to replace it if you're done with whatever you had been looking at, be it a web page or prior search results.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: switching browsers

Nancy Hill
 

Gene, I think you have interpreted what I meant.  Do all the things

you mentioned have to sho up?  I really only want to look for  answers or see what's out there.  If I find something I want to keep, I simply link to it and then put it in the Misc folder on my Desktop.

My simple system works well for me.  Am I hearing thatany new browser I set up will have all that extra stuff by default?  Is there no way to get rid of all that extra stuff?

Thanks,
Nancy

8/31/2020 7:46 PM, Gene wrote:

Are you talking about tool bars or other structures you can move to as you tab around the program window that are outside of the page?  If so, and I'm still not sure what you are referring to, that sort of thing is standard today.

I'm not sure how or if you are moving out of the page after it loads.  Use f6 if you are to return to the page.  Once you are in the page, you won't leave it unless you tab or shift tab beyond the bottom or top of it.  When you load a page, you should always be in the page.

I don't know if these comments will help because it isn't clear to me just what you are seeing but they may.

Without more information, I doubt that trying different browsers will help, as I said, having various tool bars and structures on screen in addition to the web page is standard these days.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 6:36 PM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Guys, Thanks for the tips on the browser.


By invisible, I mean that when I looked up something with IE, there was
no extraneous  'things' such as places to put favorites or anything like
that.  I hope I can find another browser like that.  I think I will see
about starting out with brave or the new edge.


After all, I did get used to win 10 even though I was very happy with win7.


Thank you for being there for me.


Nancy






Re: Changing Browsers

Hope Williamson
 

Not to mention that all modern browsers use what they tried to get the
world to call the omnibox, which is what most of us still call the
address box because that's mostly what we're used to entering in it. 
But I don't know of a single browser these days where the address
box/omnibox is not a combination web search box and address box.
Although I don't use it that way. I still do things the old-fashion way.
I type URLs into the address bar, and use a search engine for searches.
Sometimes if I make a mistake typing something, it will automatically
perform a search. I then proceed to type the correct URL into the
address bar.


Re: Changing Browsers

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Not to mention that all modern browsers use what they tried to get the world to call the omnibox, which is what most of us still call the address box because that's mostly what we're used to entering in it.  But I don't know of a single browser these days where the address box/omnibox is not a combination web search box and address box.  If you type something like "largest cranberry harvest" and hit enter, the search engine you've chosen as your default will run that search and present the results to you then and there.

What each uses as the default search engine is different, but they all allow you to set up a search engine of your choosing in the settings.  You can be certain that Chrome has Google as its default search engine and that Edge has Bing.

And ALT+D will throw focus to the address box/omnibox in all of them, and if something already happens to be there, it will be selected, so you can just start typing to replace it if you're done with whatever you had been looking at, be it a web page or prior search results.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Changing Browsers

Mike B.
 


When you open a browser after it's fully loaded you can press the letter, E, to take you to the edit / forms field you're looking for, that's if you don't have forms fields set to open automatically.  Once on the edit field press enter to open, type your whatever then tab to the search button and press spacebar or enter.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Changing Browsers

I am not good at explaining...When I go to google to look something up, IE puts me right where I need to enter my inquiry.  I do not see any mention of IE...just the place where I neeed to ask my inquiry.  When I have tried to use edge, there seems to be more 'things' involved than just landingt on the place I need to ask my question.  That total simplicity is what I am looking for in a new browser.


I am using an updated win10 and one of the latest jaws.


Thanks to all!

Nancy

On 8/31/2020 11:23 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 03:50 AM, chris judge wrote:
What do you mean by invisible?
-
I share this question.  Without a definition of what this means, in practice, it's really impossible to help much.

And, like so much in Windows, and in this case in browsers, ALT+D throws focus straight to the web address edit box and selects what's already there, so if you wish to overtype on a tab/page already open to go somewhere else you can.  It works in every modern browser I'm aware of and I just tested it in Firefox, Edge, Chrome, and Brave and it has this behavior in all of them.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Changing Browsers

Nancy Hill
 

I am not good at explaining...When I go to google to look something up, IE puts me right where I need to enter my inquiry.  I do not see any mention of IE...just the place where I neeed to ask my inquiry.  When I have tried to use edge, there seems to be more 'things' involved than just landingt on the place I need to ask my question.  That total simplicity is what I am looking for in a new browser.


I am using an updated win10 and one of the latest jaws.


Thanks to all!

Nancy

On 8/31/2020 11:23 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 03:50 AM, chris judge wrote:
What do you mean by invisible?
-
I share this question.  Without a definition of what this means, in practice, it's really impossible to help much.

And, like so much in Windows, and in this case in browsers, ALT+D throws focus straight to the web address edit box and selects what's already there, so if you wish to overtype on a tab/page already open to go somewhere else you can.  It works in every modern browser I'm aware of and I just tested it in Firefox, Edge, Chrome, and Brave and it has this behavior in all of them.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: computer speaker recommendations please

Troy Burnham
 

Thanks Loy, this looks like just what I'm looking for.

Are these USB powered? Near the top of the description it says something about 3.5 mm which would be the plug for the earphone jack I presume, but at the bottom I see USB mentioned.

Troy

On 8/31/2020 8:22 PM, Loy wrote:
I just purchase the below speakers from Amazon. They are great, excellent
quality for the price. Like you I am not a big Music listener, but they
sound great with music. Here is the information:
Creative Pebble V2 - Minimalistic 2.0 USB-C Powered Desktop Speakers, 3.5 mm
AUX-in, Up to 8W RMS Power for Computers and Laptops, Type-A Adapter
Included and Extended Cable (Black)
Amazon'sChoicefor "creative pebble v2"$29.99
1.. 1.. 1.. 1.. 1.. 1.. 1.. a.. a.. a.. a.. a.. a.. a..


4 Colors:
Black with USB Type-C Plug$ 29 99
----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Burnham" <troyburnham34@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 7:41 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] computer speaker recommendations please


Hi all,

I seem to be getting a short in the computer speakers I'm using now and
so I need to replace them, does anybody have recommendations on a set of
reasonably priced speakers? Btw I rarely if ever listen to music on the
computer so I don't need anything with a lot of base or anything, just
something that sounds good with jaws. I would like what I get to be a
pair of speakers, but they can be USB, bluetooth, or they can just plug
in via the earphone jack.

Thanks.

Troy






Re: Browser Help Please.

Janet
 

Hi Gene and All,
Brave appears to be working fine now. I did play around with it a little. I do have Brave on my desktop, and when I bring it up, it gives me a edit field, so I just type in what I want to search for, and Brave takes me to Google for the results. I also can now get my downloads to go in to the folder of my choice. In which that is fine. Brave and I are beginning to be friends! Smile! So, all is well thanks to those who helped me with this. I have to admit I am quite relieved that I am rid of that IE, as I had just way too many problems with it.
Thank you again.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

I don't know why it does that. Try using the start menu search, find Brave,
open it and see what happens. It sounds to me as though the short cut is
leading to the wrong place.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 4:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Hi Gene and All,
Ok, I finally downloaded the Brave Browser, and I restarted my computer, and
then I had an update from JAWS, and had to restart again, so, I finally got
to try to use Brave. I do have the Brave icon on my desktop, but when I
enter on Brave, it seems to take me to my download folder as that is where I
download files to, instead of Brave connecting to my internet. How can I
get Brave to connect to my internet, so if I want to browse the internet? I
can't find where to tell Brave where to download my files either. Any
suggestions?

Thank you.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

If all you want to do is browse and not modify other behavior, that's it.
You may want to change the download location of files or cause the ask where
to save files dialog to come up when you save a file. I'd have to look to
see where those settings are if you have problems finding them.

But if you generally don't change settings in browsers, there is nothing you
need to change in Brave.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Hi Gene and All,
I'm sorry for my late reply, as I was called away from my PC as soon as I
sent the message out to the list, but I am back now. I thank all those who
might have sent me a reply. Gene, I just downloaded the Brave Browser, and
I am currently in the settings options, and I did select the option to make
Brave Browser as my default. Do I need to select any other settings while
I'm in the settings options?
Thank you all for any help in this.
Janet
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 6:56 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Browsing is browsing with any browser that supports the virtual pc cursor or
browse mode, whatever your screen-reader calls it. Firefox, Chrome, and The
Brave browser all support The Virtual PC Cursor or Browse mode. that's the
same thing that you have been using in Internet Explorer. Its unfortunate
that so many people have needless fear and use an increasingly oudated
browser. Use control l instead of control o to move to the address bar,
where you type an address.
Book marks are gotten to a little differently than in Internet Explorer.
I'll send more information about an easy way to work with them in another
message. I sent such a message earlier to another list. Others will, I
hope, tell you more about im;portting book marks. but with either browser,
you will see that navigating web pages is just about identical to doing so
in Internet Explorer. A page may display something a little differently,
for example, a button or link may show different words. On one site I've
worked with to upload files, the button may say something like browse with
one browser and select a file with another browser. Sometimes, different
browsers see different parts of code on web pages.

As far as which browser to use between the Brave browser and Google Chrome,
if you want to use a browser that takes what I consider an ethical stance
towards advertisements on web sites, the Brave browser does. I'll provide a
link to the page where you can read about it and download it.

Aside from its policies on advertising by web sites, the browser itself is
very similar to the Chrome browser, it is based on Chrome.

You will get faster loading of web sites because a lot of commercials are
blocked and its safer because, at times advertising is hacked and hackers
try to download malware through hacked advertising.
https://brave.com/

Gene

----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 6:05 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: [TechTalk] Browser Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I have been having a problem trying to get to any web site do to my IE
browser, so I am finally getting around to it. I can't access half of the
web sites I want to. I have received many messages when I try to get to a
web site, I keep getting the message saying I need to update my browser, or
a message telling me I am using an outdated browser. I am using the latest
IE as my browser along with Windows 7. I have this same problem regardless
which web site I go to. Can someone tell me a little about Brave and Chrome
browsers, as I have always just used IE, but now, IE is almost disabled!
Can someone also please give me a web site to download either browser, as I
am in need for a update browser as soon as possible. Is either of these
browsers difficult to be configured, if so, can someone please tell me what
I need to do?

Thank you all in advance.
Janet
Peace Be With You.


Re: computer speaker recommendations please

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

I just purchase the below speakers from Amazon. They are great, excellent
quality for the price. Like you I am not a big Music listener, but they
sound great with music. Here is the information:
Creative Pebble V2 - Minimalistic 2.0 USB-C Powered Desktop Speakers, 3.5 mm
AUX-in, Up to 8W RMS Power for Computers and Laptops, Type-A Adapter
Included and Extended Cable (Black)
Amazon'sChoicefor "creative pebble v2"$29.99
1.. 1.. 1.. 1.. 1.. 1.. 1.. a.. a.. a.. a.. a.. a.. a..


4 Colors:
Black with USB Type-C Plug$ 29 99

----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Burnham" <troyburnham34@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 7:41 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] computer speaker recommendations please


Hi all,

I seem to be getting a short in the computer speakers I'm using now and
so I need to replace them, does anybody have recommendations on a set of
reasonably priced speakers? Btw I rarely if ever listen to music on the
computer so I don't need anything with a lot of base or anything, just
something that sounds good with jaws. I would like what I get to be a
pair of speakers, but they can be USB, bluetooth, or they can just plug
in via the earphone jack.

Thanks.

Troy


Re: restore point

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Heather,

           The two things I always recommend when "weirdness" begins occurring under Windows 10 are the following:

1. Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10 


2. 
Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file


Someone else said to me, on another topic, that they did not believe the issue was with Windows 10, which may be so, but is actually irrelevant.  Very often when troubleshooting one has absolutely no idea where the root cause actually lies, and some of the steps are done so as to eliminate possibilities from the list.   Using SFC/DISM is quick, at least as far as end-user action goes.  The commands do take some time to complete, but you can be doing other things as they work.   Doing a Repair Install can be more time consuming, as it's very much akin to doing a Feature Update itself or a Reset, but it allows you to keep your files AND apps.  And the Repair Install is done only after SFC/DISM don't fix the issue and nothing else that's "easy to try" has worked, either.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: restore point

heather albright
 

I uninstalled jaws completely, so went back to NVDA and so far it is reading correctly. However, narrator is doing that choppy thing when reading text like jaws was doing. So I am at a complete loss. I am running the latest NVDA. I am using the same 3 programs for reading text. SO not sure what fix NVDA to make it start working again, so I can fix it with the other programs, screen readers! Thank everyone for all the suggestions, any more please! Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "heather albright via groups.io" <kd5cbl=gmail.com@groups.io>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] restore point


It started before I updated my windows. I actually, one, restarted after windows wanted to update, that did not fix the issue, was thinking the windows update was causing it. So next, I did a jaws repare, not sure how to repare NVDA, so was trying to get jaws to work. So jaws asked me to restart my pc after it finished. It did not fix the issue. Did a repare twice and had to restart the system again. I tried 3 programs for reading text; with the same results. Just now checked the blutooth box with the jaws settings, as suggested, did not fix my issue. It is like an out of the blue thing for this just to start; mondays. So the only thing I can think is to uninstall and reinstall the screen readers. I can honestly say I have never had this happen before. thanks Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] restore point


I saw your message answering Brians questions and if I remember an earlier message, you left out important information. As I recall, you said that you have the same problem with more than one screen-reader, JAWS and NVDA. that is very important. also, you didn't say in your last message when the Windows update occurred relative to when the problem started. Did it start immediately after the update or had it started before?
Did it start after you first booted up today and did you boot from a full shut down?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 6:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] restore point

I'll let others discuss oother possible solutions. I ncan't urge you
strongly enough in future, to make sure system restore is on when you first
start using a computer, unless you have a reversion program you are using.
Microsoft, from what I have read, has system restore off in Windows 10 by
default. I consider that to be extremely negligent design.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 5:49 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] restore point


Hello, I do not have any restore points, they did not come up. Do I just
reset this pc? I have keep files as an option. I remember in the past, it
gave me dates but, i did not get any dates to choose from. Running windows
10 1909. Thanks Heather






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