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Carolyn Arnold
Right on, Marie.
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:44 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? I have no experience with the foldable Samsun but I am totally blind and use the newest IPhone which only has buttons on the sides for volume and power. I have no problem using the phone with no home button and I did not have any assistance learning to use it except for some written instructions. And I know quite a few totally blind users of this phone. Marie From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 7:01 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone. Gerald On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote: Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? You often state the worst case interpretation of situations. Gene ----- Origial Message ----- From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training. Gerald On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote: Hi Lisa, I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review. https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884 Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Belville To: Tech Talk Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Hi, all. My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon. He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc? TIA Lisa -- Lisa Belville missktlab1217@frontier.com
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Carolyn Arnold
I am as blind as the wall in front of me and use my iPhone every single day. Incidentaly, it does not have a Home Button.
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:02 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone. Gerald On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote: Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? You often state the worst case interpretation of situations. Gene ----- Origial Message ----- From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training. Gerald On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote: Hi Lisa, I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review. https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884 Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@frontier.com> To: Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Hi, all. My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon. He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc? TIA Lisa -- Lisa Belville missktlab1217@frontier.com <mailto:missktlab1217@frontier.com>
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Carolyn Arnold
And, wow, you could get two iPhone 11's with AT&T contract for $21.57 for 30 months, which would equal that $1,300 dollars - getting two phones with higher trade value down the line.
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:54 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? I’m sure it is smart and it flips. But holy moly, 1300 u s dollars and then you have to pay x dollars a month to use it!! Great for those with money to burn. I purchased a second-hand I phone for 20 per cent of that price and it does way more than what I need from a smart phone.There’s more than one reason to call it a wallet phone. …and on that note, I fold… From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Sent: February-20-20 8:41 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? You often state the worst case interpretation of situations. Gene ----- Origial Message ----- From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training. Gerald On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote: Hi Lisa, I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review. https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884 Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@frontier.com> To: Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Hi, all. My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon. He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc? TIA Lisa -- Lisa Belville missktlab1217@frontier.com <mailto:missktlab1217@frontier.com>
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Re: Accessible Program for Remapping Keys on Laptop
Penny Golden
Hi. I just got a laptop and haven't begun to fight, as it were.
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But tell me, or us, if you wish, what you've renamed. Inquiring minds want to know. The first thing I did was to have a friend turn off the mouse pad. Sorry, I did get that done by a sighted friend of mine. Could I have done it myself? Yes, but it was tricky for him, and he works I T day in and day out every day. Could I have done it on my own? Probably; but it would have been a time-waster. And that is why I do sometimes have things done for me. I don't have to prove anything to myself. I can do many things I choose not to do, because doing them would complicate life; and not doing them does not make me less capable. Sorry, but that's my take on this. And to nail it down, I just love BeMyEyes. It is so delightful to have someone do a little reading or identifying. the other evening late, I spoke to an american in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. two nights later, I spoke to a delightful lady in Iran. Pen
On 2/20/2020 11:20 AM, Rich DeSteno wrote:
I did indeed find this key-remapping program and I find it to be fantastic! It is easy to use and works perfectly.
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Mail app question
Loy <loyrg2845@...>
I have set up one of my gmail email accounts as
IMAP in the mail app. I have set it to down load the messages from last three
months, but it only downloads current mail. What am I doing
wrong.
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Re: Accessible Program for Remapping Keys on Laptop
Rich DeSteno
I did indeed find this key-remapping program and I find it to be fantastic! It is easy to use and works perfectly.
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On 2/20/2020 11:26 AM, Joe Orozco wrote:
I didn't see anyone respond to this email. Yes, there's a program --
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Norma A. Boge
Ok. I’ve used only Android phones, got my first one in 2014. I’ve been totally blind for 30 years. I’ve never had a phone with a physical home button. Some of us need to quit making these mass generalizations about the capabilities of others. It’s just dumb to do it. Best, Norma
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Dowling
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:29 AM To: main@techtalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Hi everyone: I am totally blind, and have been since birth. Gerald, what your saying is just, bazar... Of course blind people can use a phone without buttons. After the introduction of the iPhone 10, apple implemented a way for VoiceOver users to go to the home screen, and app switcher. I went from an iPhone 8 to an iPhone 11. Don't forget about the 2016 macbook pro with its touch bar which apple also made accessible with VoiceOver. I'm not an android user, but I'm sure companies like Samsung have made ways of making there phones accessible with services like TalkBack and that other screen reader samsung themselves developed. if you can, I would suggest going to your local apple store and checking out the new phones. There really easy to use once you get the hang of sliding up to go home instead of pushing buttons. then again, maybe since I'm so used to change, I really don't think about stuff like that lol.
John.
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Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Gerald, I was 18 months old when blindness set in due to measles. I don't
recall what anyone's face looks like; I can't blink or make any expressions with my eyes; I can't MOVE MY EYES, look down, left or right as the ophthalmologists at the eye clinic try to make me do when I present for checkup. Colors are just that, I've never seen them, and so I don't make sense of them. Yet, people talk about colors all the time. Ok, silly child, why go through this charade? I have done so to refute your argument that those of us who are blind using touchscreen toys do so with sighted assistance and or help. Sorry sir, this is NOT THE CASE with me! My touchscreen toy HAS NO PHYSICAL BUTTONS of any kind and I use it unperturbed with NO SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND HELP! I took my Shiny Android Toy OUT OF THE BOX and got it going ALL ON MY OWN sitting at my desk at work. And, yes, I'm THE ONLY EMPLOYEE here until I fire myself! For the records, I DO NOT CONSIDER MYSELF AN EXPERT in anything; I am CONSTANTLY LEARNING and seeking for ways to learn. I start out by trying to explore anything on my own; when I get stuck, I ask questions either here on this list, or some other lists I roam on, but I don't go around looking for sighted help until I have exhausted my channels within the blind community. All that said, is there an area where I fall short? Sure! I'm not too good at using my toy to scan and read printed materials; I suppose this has to do with my spatial orientation; I'm working on it on my own presently. However, if I don't hatch it down within the period I have allotted, I'll seek sighted assistance for this purpose only. Apologies for making this post rather long; I, like several others, had to write to dispel the notion that blind users of touchscreen toys are heavily reliant on folks with a pair of eyes! Of course, I belong to the school which believes that if an individual is visually impaired and has sufficient residual vision, this should be used always to the maximum extent possible. Any such individual should NEVER PERMIT anyone to PULL SLEEPSHADES over his or her face for any reason. I still have LIGHT PERCEPTION which is slowly going away. I do enjoy being able to use it and I'll never participate in any rehabilitative training skill or program that seeks to force me to wear sleepshades. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado
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Marie <magpie.mn@...>
I have no experience with the foldable Samsun but I am totally blind and
use the newest IPhone which only has buttons on the sides for volume and power.
I have no problem using the phone with no home button and I did not have any
assistance learning to use it except for some written instructions.
And I know quite a few totally blind users of this phone.
Marie
From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 7:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are
completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually
impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a
touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen
smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with
tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So
I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer
using the new Samsung smart flip phone.
Gerald
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
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Joe Orozco
I didn't see anyone respond to this email. Yes, there's a program
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called Sharp Keys. In one column you pick the key you want to remap, and in the second column you pick the key function you want to replace it with. Make sure you set your screen reader to read all punctuation at least temporarily so that you can hear the exact key names. Let me know if you don't find it on Google. Joe
On 2/7/20, Rich DeSteno <axcruncher@gmail.com> wrote:
The subject says it all. Are there any such programs?
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Pamela Dominguez
But they are coming back with a revised version. Pam.
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From: Lenron Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:26 AM To: main@techtalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? It bombed I am sure like most of that sort of thing does. The price was probably out of this world. Anyways on the subject of this foldable phone this is just second gen tech, so I am sure it has some growing to do. I feel like they will get it right though. I would still try it because it's something different. Also phones with buttons not a big deal to me these days. I miss the days of phones with nice keyboards but it's not what most people care about so they will not be made much anymore. On 2/20/20, jan howells via Groups.Io <gale7978=aol.com@groups.io> wrote: A While ago, I have heard about a combo smart phone with a keypad -- Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762
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Re: Pontes Media Downloaded Issue
Joe Orozco
Does anyone have a link to download the older version? Thanks in advance.--Joe
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On 2/19/20, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi George,
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Lisa Belville
Thank you, Mike, this is probably it. Dad is sighted, but not used to smart technology beyond his Windows 10 laptop and his smart TV, but I think he would be interested in at least checking this phone out.
Lisa
Lisa Belville missktlab1217@... On 2/19/2020 8:20 PM, Mike B wrote:
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John Dowling <1008jmd@...>
Hi everyone:
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I am totally blind, and have been since birth. Gerald, what your saying is just, bazar... Of course blind people can use a phone without buttons. After the introduction of the iPhone 10, apple implemented a way for VoiceOver users to go to the home screen, and app switcher. I went from an iPhone 8 to an iPhone 11. Don't forget about the 2016 macbook pro with its touch bar which apple also made accessible with VoiceOver. I'm not an android user, but I'm sure companies like Samsung have made ways of making there phones accessible with services like TalkBack and that other screen reader samsung themselves developed. if you can, I would suggest going to your local apple store and checking out the new phones. There really easy to use once you get the hang of sliding up to go home instead of pushing buttons. then again, maybe since I'm so used to change, I really don't think about stuff like that lol. John.
On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:
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Pamela Dominguez
The one they are talking about recently is a regular smart phone with a touch screen, but it folds in half and flips shut. Pam.
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From: Lisa Belville Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 8:02 PM To: Tech Talk Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Hi, all. My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon. He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc? TIA Lisa -- Lisa Belville missktlab1217@frontier.com
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Gene
I should add that there is a problem with my phone
that those who want very much to use it as an alarm clock should know
about. There is a bug that, if you set the alarm, then change the setting,
the alarm will often sound at both the old time and the new time for one
day. I don't think it will for more than one day. Also, it appears
that if you set the alarm, let it go off at that time, then change it to a new
time, that it will go off at the old time and the new time the next day. I
haven't made a thorough study of how long this lasts, but it appears to me to
happen for one day.
I put up with this problem because that problem
isn't important to how I use the alarm and also, because the phone I have
appears to be the best for what I want a phone to do at the price. But
this problem isn't discussed in the review I sent.
Gene
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It isn't clear to me what is being asked for.
Does the person want a smart phone that is a flip phone, that is, a full smart
phone, or is he interested in a more capable flip phone which will do more of
what a smart phone does and yet is a flip phone?
I don't particularly like this phone as a blind
user because accessibility isn't well implemented. But it is well enough
implemented that I can do what I want with it and it appeared to be perhaps the
best option for what I want, a flip phone that has features like a voice
recorder, and other features such as a note taker, an earphone jack, and one
thing I really like, an FM radio.
And for a sighted person, this phone gets pretty
good reviews, if this one is anything to judge by. I looked up one.
You may look up others to compare. The phone is the Alcatel Go flip
3.
I am going to be doing a presentation on the Go
Flip 3 in March, I think the 9th. I'll show how to work around limitations
in accessibility to allow features such as contacts to be used that would seem
to many not usable. Those not interested in the phone may benefit from
listening as well, because the kinds of techniques and logic I use may be of
important benefit in other situations of limited accessibility.
Gene
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Re: nvda and page brakes
Ann Parsons
Morning all,
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Page Breaks are integral to a document that may be marked up for conversion to DAISY. Depending on what kind of document this is, you do *not* want to remove the page-breaks. Getting NVDA to not announce page-breaks, yes, certainly, but removing them from the document is a recipe for disaster. Ann P. Original message:
1. Use CTRL+H to move focus into the Replace page of the dialog box. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- Hay does anyone know how to make NVDA not announce page breaks? I went threw all the settings and tried to turn this feature off. When I am reading a book, I don’t want to here “page break…page break. I would love to NVDA full time but, the page break issues when I am reading turns me off; it is really annoying to me! Thanks Heather --
Ann K. Parsons Portal Tutoring EMAIL: akp@sero.email Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/ Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info Skype: Putertutor "All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost."
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Re: New Smart Flip Phone?
Gerald Levy
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that
are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at
all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to
navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and
purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of
sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like
the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm
looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally
blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.
Gerald
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
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Gene
It appears, from two friends of mine who have one,
that it does what it is supposed to do. I'll wait to see what others on
the list who use it have to say before commenting further, if I have anything to
add. But what do you want to use a phone for and do you want to spend
perhaps $250 more than you can get an off-the-shelf phone for? It depends
in part on what you want a phone to do.
Gene
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From: Terry Olandese
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Does anyone know anything about the blind shell phone?
From:
main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?
You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.
Gene ----- Origial Message ----- Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.
Gerald
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Monte Single
I’m sure it is smart and it flips. But holy moly, 1300 u s dollars and then you have to pay x dollars a month to use it!! Great for those with money to burn. I purchased a second-hand I phone for 20 per cent of that price and it does way more than what I need from a smart phone.There’s more than one reason to call it a wallet phone. …and on that note, I fold…
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February-20-20 8:41 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?
You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.
Gene ----- Origial Message ----- Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.
Gerald
On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:
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