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Could we stop fighting children.
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On 21-Feb-20 4:30 PM, Gerald Levy via
Groups.Io wrote:
No, I'm not really Christ. I'm Jewish and find your reference
to Christ in this context highly offensive and inappropriate for
this list. Don't do it again.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 3:34 PM, Alex Stone
wrote:
Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he?
Christ
Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it?
And why do you guys insist on evading my question?
Don't sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go
wrong with an IPhone. Something as simple as a loose
battery connection could cause it to stop working. My
understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not
user accessible. A sighted friend of mine had his
IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his
car. He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his
destination, he discovered that the screen was blank.
He wound up taking the phone to a phone or electronics
store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the
battery had been jostled loose. And blind pedestrians
bump into things all the time. It's just one of the
hazards of being blined. So don't tell me that things
like this can never happen.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone
wrote:
Why do
you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything
that anyone says?
So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS
that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and
cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes
like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it
not true that the latest IPhone models have no
physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you
locate the volume and home keys if you have no
speech in the first place?
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris
judge wrote:
Yes,
but once you learn the device you will learn
that loss of speech is usually caused by:
- Speech
being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double
tap.
- Voice
over being turned off. Solved by either
asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the
home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the
iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3
times.
- Voice
over volume being turned down. Solved by
invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the
volume button.
It’s
like any other technology, Once you learn it,
things are much simpler than they seem when
the device is new to you.
Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone,
and there is no speech? Then what? How do you
restore Voice Over without sighted help if you
have no idea what's causing the problem in the
first place? No operating system, not even IOS,
is immune from problems that could cause loss of
speech.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris
judge wrote:
That’s
ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since
birth and have used an IPhone since 2009.
Give it a try.
Gerald, I can
assure you that I am really blind, and I think
I take exception to the suggestion that I’m
not!
On 20 Feb
2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
<bwaylimited@...>
wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who
use smart phones that are completely
devoid of tactile buttons are not really
"blind" at all, but visually impaired and
retain some funtional vision to navigate
around a touchscreen. Those who are
totally blind and purport to use a
touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot
of sighted help. Which is why smart phones
with tactile keypads like the BlindShell
and Smart Vision have been introduced. So
I'm looking forward to hearing about the
experiences of a totally blind consumer
using the new Samsung smart flip phone.
Gerald
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM,
Gene wrote:
Your
statement about buttons is
inaccurate based on discussions I've
seen on this topic before. Most
smart phones already had very few
buttons, and, as for the elimination
of the home button on the I-Phone,
while I can't speak from personal
experience, I've seen enough
comments on lists like this that the
button's elimination doesn't mean
blind people can't use the phone.
Evidently, the screen simulates the
presence of a button by vibrating.
I'm not saying I definitely
understand the situation and I await
other comments but how many people
have you seen say they stopped using
an I-Phone because of elimination of
the home button?
You
often state the worst case
interpretation of situations.
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Sent:
Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22
AM
Subject: Re:
[TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this
Samsung smart flip phone employs a new
touchscreen technology that allows it to
be thin and flexible enough to be folded
in half like a wallet. But in tests, it
proved to be very fragile, and CR did
not recommend it, especially in view of
its very high price tag. And it would
probably not be a good choice for a
blind consumer because even unfolded the
touchscreen is relatively small and has
no tactile buttons. This seems to be a
growing trend in smart phones:
eliminating all physical buttons, making
it virtually impossible for a blind
consumer to use the phone without some
sighted help or a lot of hands-on
training.
Gerald
On 2/19/2020 9:20
PM, Mike B wrote:
I
heard about a phone like you're
describing just the other day and
I think they said that Samsung was
the company producing it. From
the way the guy was describing the
way it works, it sounds like it'll
be a really cool phone, but for
$1300 it damn well otta be! LOL
LOL Check out the link below for
a review.
Take care.
Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
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Sent:
Wednesday, February 19, 2020
5:02 PM
Subject:
[TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Hi, all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to
trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV
advertising a smart flip phone, he
means
a phone with the same body style as a
feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or
Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here
have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
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toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 21 Feb 2020, at 21:30, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:
No, I'm not really Christ. I'm Jewish and find your reference to Christ in this context highly offensive and inappropriate for this list. Don't do it again.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 3:34 PM, Alex Stone wrote:
Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he?
Christ Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it?
And why do you guys insist on evading my question? Don't sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone. Something as simple as a loose battery connection could cause it to stop working. My understanding is that the battery is sealed
and is not user accessible. A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car. He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination, he discovered that the screen was blank. He wound up taking the phone
to a phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the battery had been jostled loose. And blind pedestrians bump into things all the time. It's just one of the hazards of being blined. So don't tell me that things like this can
never happen.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone wrote:
Why do you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone says?
So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical
buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:
Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by:
-
Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
-
Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
-
Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.
It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.
Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems
that could cause loss of speech.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:
That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.
Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!
On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind
and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally
blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.
Gerald
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of
the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button
by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?
You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.
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Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it,
especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating
all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.
Gerald
On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:
I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way
it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
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Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Hi, all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
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missktlab1217@...
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John Dowling <1008jmd@...>
Gerald, Lighten up man. I wasn't around for windows 95, but I did come along during windows 2000, and I remember using windows xp during 3rd grade lol. Man, I feel so old, although, I think I'm the youngest on this list, I'm 19.
On Feb 21, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:
No, I'm not really Christ. I'm Jewish and find your reference to
Christ in this context highly offensive and inappropriate for this
list. Don't do it again.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 3:34 PM, Alex Stone wrote:
Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he?
Christ
Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it?
And why do you guys insist on evading my question? Don't
sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with
an IPhone. Something as simple as a loose battery
connection could cause it to stop working. My
understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not
user accessible. A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone
sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car. He
apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his
destination, he discovered that the screen was blank. He
wound up taking the phone to a phone or electronics
store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the
battery had been jostled loose. And blind pedestrians
bump into things all the time. It's just one of the
hazards of being blined. So don't tell me that things
like this can never happen.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone
wrote:
Why do
you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything
that anyone says?
So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS
that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and
cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like
the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not
true that the latest IPhone models have no physical
buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the
volume and home keys if you have no speech in the
first place?
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris
judge wrote:
Yes,
but once you learn the device you will learn
that loss of speech is usually caused by:
-
Speech
being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
-
Voice
over being turned off. Solved by either asking
siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3
times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or
above, press the power button 3 times.
-
Voice
over volume being turned down. Solved by
invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the
volume button.
It’s
like any other technology, Once you learn it,
things are much simpler than they seem when the
device is new to you.
Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and
there is no speech? Then what? How do you
restore Voice Over without sighted help if you
have no idea what's causing the problem in the
first place? No operating system, not even IOS,
is immune from problems that could cause loss of
speech.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris
judge wrote:
That’s
ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since
birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give
it a try.
Gerald,
I can assure you that I am really blind, and I
think I take exception to the suggestion that
I’m not!
On 20 Feb 2020,
at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...>
wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who
use smart phones that are completely devoid
of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at
all, but visually impaired and retain some
funtional vision to navigate around a
touchscreen. Those who are totally blind
and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone
probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is
why smart phones with tactile keypads like
the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been
introduced. So I'm looking forward to
hearing about the experiences of a totally
blind consumer using the new Samsung smart
flip phone.
Gerald
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM,
Gene wrote:
Your
statement about buttons is inaccurate
based on discussions I've seen on this
topic before. Most smart phones
already had very few buttons, and, as
for the elimination of the home button
on the I-Phone, while I can't speak
from personal experience, I've seen
enough comments on lists like this
that the button's elimination doesn't
mean blind people can't use the
phone. Evidently, the screen
simulates the presence of a button by
vibrating. I'm not saying I
definitely understand the situation
and I await other comments but how
many people have you seen say they
stopped using an I-Phone because of
elimination of the home button?
You
often state the worst case
interpretation of situations.
-----
Origial Message -----
Sent:
Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22
AM
Subject: Re:
[TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this
Samsung smart flip phone employs a new
touchscreen technology that allows it to
be thin and flexible enough to be folded
in half like a wallet. But in tests, it
proved to be very fragile, and CR did not
recommend it, especially in view of its
very high price tag. And it would
probably not be a good choice for a blind
consumer because even unfolded the
touchscreen is relatively small and has no
tactile buttons. This seems to be a
growing trend in smart phones: eliminating
all physical buttons, making it virtually
impossible for a blind consumer to use the
phone without some sighted help or a lot
of hands-on training.
Gerald
On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM,
Mike B wrote:
I
heard about a phone like you're
describing just the other day and I
think they said that Samsung was the
company producing it. From the way
the guy was describing the way it
works, it sounds like it'll be a
really cool phone, but for $1300 it
damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check
out the link below for a review.
Take care. Mike.
Sent from my iBarstool.
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02
PM
Subject:
[TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Hi, all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to
trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV
advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a
feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android
Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here
have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...
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Re: New Smart Flip Phone?
No, I'm not really Christ. I'm Jewish and find your reference to
Christ in this context highly offensive and inappropriate for this
list. Don't do it again.
Gerald
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 2/21/2020 3:34 PM, Alex Stone wrote:
Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he?
Christ
Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it?
And why do you guys insist on evading my question? Don't
sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with
an IPhone. Something as simple as a loose battery
connection could cause it to stop working. My
understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not
user accessible. A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone
sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car. He
apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his
destination, he discovered that the screen was blank. He
wound up taking the phone to a phone or electronics
store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the
battery had been jostled loose. And blind pedestrians
bump into things all the time. It's just one of the
hazards of being blined. So don't tell me that things
like this can never happen.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone
wrote:
Why do
you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything
that anyone says?
So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS
that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and
cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like
the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not
true that the latest IPhone models have no physical
buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the
volume and home keys if you have no speech in the
first place?
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris
judge wrote:
Yes,
but once you learn the device you will learn
that loss of speech is usually caused by:
-
Speech
being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
-
Voice
over being turned off. Solved by either asking
siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3
times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or
above, press the power button 3 times.
-
Voice
over volume being turned down. Solved by
invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the
volume button.
It’s
like any other technology, Once you learn it,
things are much simpler than they seem when the
device is new to you.
Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and
there is no speech? Then what? How do you
restore Voice Over without sighted help if you
have no idea what's causing the problem in the
first place? No operating system, not even IOS,
is immune from problems that could cause loss of
speech.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris
judge wrote:
That’s
ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since
birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give
it a try.
Gerald,
I can assure you that I am really blind, and I
think I take exception to the suggestion that
I’m not!
On 20 Feb 2020,
at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...>
wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who
use smart phones that are completely devoid
of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at
all, but visually impaired and retain some
funtional vision to navigate around a
touchscreen. Those who are totally blind
and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone
probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is
why smart phones with tactile keypads like
the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been
introduced. So I'm looking forward to
hearing about the experiences of a totally
blind consumer using the new Samsung smart
flip phone.
Gerald
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM,
Gene wrote:
Your
statement about buttons is inaccurate
based on discussions I've seen on this
topic before. Most smart phones
already had very few buttons, and, as
for the elimination of the home button
on the I-Phone, while I can't speak
from personal experience, I've seen
enough comments on lists like this
that the button's elimination doesn't
mean blind people can't use the
phone. Evidently, the screen
simulates the presence of a button by
vibrating. I'm not saying I
definitely understand the situation
and I await other comments but how
many people have you seen say they
stopped using an I-Phone because of
elimination of the home button?
You
often state the worst case
interpretation of situations.
-----
Origial Message -----
Sent:
Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22
AM
Subject: Re:
[TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this
Samsung smart flip phone employs a new
touchscreen technology that allows it to
be thin and flexible enough to be folded
in half like a wallet. But in tests, it
proved to be very fragile, and CR did not
recommend it, especially in view of its
very high price tag. And it would
probably not be a good choice for a blind
consumer because even unfolded the
touchscreen is relatively small and has no
tactile buttons. This seems to be a
growing trend in smart phones: eliminating
all physical buttons, making it virtually
impossible for a blind consumer to use the
phone without some sighted help or a lot
of hands-on training.
Gerald
On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM,
Mike B wrote:
I
heard about a phone like you're
describing just the other day and I
think they said that Samsung was the
company producing it. From the way
the guy was describing the way it
works, it sounds like it'll be a
really cool phone, but for $1300 it
damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check
out the link below for a review.
Take care. Mike.
Sent from my iBarstool.
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02
PM
Subject:
[TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Hi, all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to
trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV
advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a
feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android
Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here
have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
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missktlab1217@...
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On 21 Feb 2020, at 10:05, Penny Golden <pengold2@...> wrote:
Notice how there is a line break? but you won't want that linebreak that is showing for me between the words
plextalk and subscribe
I hope this helps. give it a good look so you catch the intent for the address to subscribe.
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Wow! Windows 98 crashed? I used it for a long time, and it was
good for me. Pam.
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Let’s see
now.
In
the last millennium, I think it was 1998, Mr. Micro, Bill Gates was on
stage, Start me up by the rolling stones was blasting in the background.
It was the launch of windows 98, the newest, hottest operating system in the
solar system.
Bang!!! Windows 98
crashed.
So,
if you experience a little hiccup with your device, favorite or otherwise,
don’t despair; pick up that shovel and deal with it. If
yu expect flawless performance, all the time, everytime,
you’ll need a new existence in a new universe.
I
still wish my fn I phone had an s d card slot.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent:
February-21-20 6:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject:
Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
They do have physical
volume buttons and power button. Whoever said they had no physical buttons meant
the lack of a home button. No I’m not saying that IOS is so great that nothing
can go wrong that can’t be easily fixed by the methods I mentioned. Can you name
me a single operating system that is that infallible?
So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for
anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like
the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone
models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the
volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:
Yes, but once you learn
the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused
by:
- Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger
double tap.
- Voice over being turned off. Solved by
either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly.
In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3
times.
- Voice over volume being turned down.
Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume
button.
It’s like any other
technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the
device is new to you.
Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech?
Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if
you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No
operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss
of speech.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge
wrote:
That’s
ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone
since 2009. Give it a try.
Gerald, I can assure you that
I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m
not!
On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01,
Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...>
wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are
completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but
visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a
touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a
touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why
smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision
have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the
experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip
phone.
Gerald
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Your statement
about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic
before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as
for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't
speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like
this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use
the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a
button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the
situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen
say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home
button?
You often state
the worst case interpretation of situations.
----- Origial
Message -----
Sent: Thursday,
February 20, 2020 5:22 AM
Subject: Re:
[TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs
a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible
enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved
to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of
its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good
choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is
relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a
growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making
it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without
some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.
Gerald
On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B
wrote:
I heard
about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think
they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From
the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll
be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!
LOL LOL Check out the link below for a
review.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my
iBarstool.
-----
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Sent: Wednesday,
February 19, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk]
New Smart Flip Phone?
Hi, all.
My
semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he
means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but
with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I
haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info
about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier,
etc?
TIA
Lisa
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No, but he can surely try the patience of Jobe.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: February-21-20 2:35 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he? Christ Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it? And why do you guys insist on evading my question? Don't sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone. Something as simple as a loose battery connection could cause it to stop working. My understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not user accessible. A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car. He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination, he discovered that the screen was blank. He wound up taking the phone to a phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the battery had been jostled loose. And blind pedestrians bump into things all the time. It's just one of the hazards of being blined. So don't tell me that things like this can never happen. Gerald On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone wrote: Why do you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone says? So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place? Gerald On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote: Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by: - Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
- Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
- Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.
It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you. Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech. Gerald On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote: That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try. Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!
On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone. Gerald On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote: Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? You often state the worst case interpretation of situations. ----- Origial Message ----- Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training. Gerald On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote: I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Hi, all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
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Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he?
On 21 Feb 2020, at 15:47, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
Christ Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it?
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 9:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
And why do you guys insist on evading my question? Don't sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone. Something as simple as a loose battery connection could cause it to stop working. My understanding is that the battery is sealed
and is not user accessible. A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car. He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination, he discovered that the screen was blank. He wound up taking the phone
to a phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the battery had been jostled loose. And blind pedestrians bump into things all the time. It's just one of the hazards of being blined. So don't tell me that things like this can
never happen.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone wrote:
Why do you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone says?
So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical
buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:
Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by:
-
Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
-
Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
-
Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.
It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you.
Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems
that could cause loss of speech.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:
That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.
Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!
On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind
and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally
blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.
Gerald
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of
the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button
by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?
You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.
----- Origial Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it,
especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating
all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.
Gerald
On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:
I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way
it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Hi, all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
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John Dowling <1008jmd@...>
I also love my iPhone 11.
Just got it a few weeks ago, and switching from an 8 to an 11 was kinda challenging at first, but I used one of my friend's phone a few months back, and he had a xr, so it obviously wasn't that different.
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On Feb 21, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay; I can't figure out how you can have a virtual keyboard. I think that people were asking about physical keyboards. Pam.
-----Original Message----- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 7:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
I can't address anything iOS specifically; that said, in the Android World,
there are myriads of keyboards available. For example, there's a keyboard
that's exactly like a regular computer keyboard, only it's virtual. This
keyboard has the familiar Control, Alt, Up and Down Arrow keys.
For anyone interested, look for the Blind Accessibility Keyboard at Google's
Play Store. The most common keyboard used by the blind in Androidville is
Google's GBoard. No, it doesn't have the control, alt, up and down arrow
keys, and it is primarily a Touch & Lift keyboard. I believe I have about
five different keyboards installed on My Shiny Android toys and I switch
back and forth amongst them though I use GBoard much of the time.
Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado
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On 21 Feb 2020, at 20:28, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay; I can't figure out how you can have a virtual keyboard. I think that people were asking about physical keyboards. Pam.
-----Original Message----- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 7:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
I can't address anything iOS specifically; that said, in the Android World,
there are myriads of keyboards available. For example, there's a keyboard
that's exactly like a regular computer keyboard, only it's virtual. This
keyboard has the familiar Control, Alt, Up and Down Arrow keys.
For anyone interested, look for the Blind Accessibility Keyboard at Google's
Play Store. The most common keyboard used by the blind in Androidville is
Google's GBoard. No, it doesn't have the control, alt, up and down arrow
keys, and it is primarily a Touch & Lift keyboard. I believe I have about
five different keyboards installed on My Shiny Android toys and I switch
back and forth amongst them though I use GBoard much of the time.
Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado
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Okay; I can't figure out how you can have a virtual keyboard. I think that people were asking about physical keyboards. Pam.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 7:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
I can't address anything iOS specifically; that said, in the Android World,
there are myriads of keyboards available. For example, there's a keyboard
that's exactly like a regular computer keyboard, only it's virtual. This
keyboard has the familiar Control, Alt, Up and Down Arrow keys.
For anyone interested, look for the Blind Accessibility Keyboard at Google's
Play Store. The most common keyboard used by the blind in Androidville is
Google's GBoard. No, it doesn't have the control, alt, up and down arrow
keys, and it is primarily a Touch & Lift keyboard. I believe I have about
five different keyboards installed on My Shiny Android toys and I switch
back and forth amongst them though I use GBoard much of the time.
Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado
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I love my iphone! but the battery drains real fast. When I'm waiting for transportation it ccan go for hours, if you don't listen to radio and such. do you use a charging back up? I had a case with my 5se, but the 7 would be nice if I didn't have to carry back ups.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? I love my IPhone, if I only used the Seeing AI and Be My Eyes apps it has been worth the investment. You don't have to buy the latest and most expensive. You can purchase one used for under $200.00.----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? That's right. I hadn't thought about that. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Actualy, he could read the screen with his smart phone. Another reason to get one. Having an aira agent at your finger tips can solve a lot of issues. You don't know that. Interesting how someone with absolutely no experience has so many opinions on something he chooses to know nothing about from a standpoint of practical experience. Mix apples and oranges? If your mother board fails, please explain how having a tactile keyboard makes speech easier to obtain or how it is easier to diagnose the probem? If your sound card fails and you don't have a USB sound card or a USB headset, explain the same thing. There are certain instances where having a physical keyboard would make solving a problem easier. But these rare instances are no reason not to use a smart phone. And a smart phone with a keypad can certainly fail in ways that make having the keypad useless in trying to solve the problem. You have followed these lists long enough to know that no matter what you use, some problems require sighted assistance and that is no reason not to use such products. If Windows becomes corrupted and doesn't fully boot and displays an error message, please explain to me how you are going to read it unless you have an optacon, which very few blind people have. Again, begging the question just to support your bias. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? The difference is that a computer has a tactile keyboard. A smart phone doesn't, which makes it more difficult for a blind consumer to resolve a problem without sighted help. Don't mix Apples with oraanges. (pun intended) Gerald On 2/21/2020 8:41 AM, Gene wrote: He is not saying that. Your computer's mother board can develop a problem and the computer won't function at all. I don't see you begging the question about your computer or implying that you shouldn't use a computer. Sooner or later, it all comes down to this, no matter how often you discuss such topics and ask such questions, after a point, you are simply begging the question and setting up straw men because you are irremediably biased against smart phones. Your questions in the beginning of such discussions may serve a useful purpose because there may be people who are worried about trying such phones and people give answers that may be reassuring. But beyond a point, you are just indulging your antismart phone bias. No user who knows something about computers or minicomputers, which is what smart phones are, would say that loss of speech is impossible, A component may fail, something may become corrupted, and that is true of any computer or minicomputer. That is no reason not to use one. The brakes could fail when you are in a car, but do you ride busses or cabs? assessing risk is a risk/benefit evaluation. If the risk is low enough and the benefitsworht the risk, people constantly do activities with some risk. Almost any activity has at least a very small amount of risk. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place? Gerald On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote: Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by: - Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
- Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
- Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.
It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you. Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech. Gerald On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote: That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try. Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!
On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone. Gerald On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote: Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? You often state the worst case interpretation of situations. ----- Origial Message ----- Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training. Gerald On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote: I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Hi, all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
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I feel the same about my xsmax.
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On 21 Feb 2020, at 18:21, Victor <victorelawrence@gmail.com> wrote:
I love my iPhone 11 and I use it for everything everywhere.
Yes, iPhones do crash. My iPhone 7 Plus that I had for two years crashed last summer. Fortunately, I was able to get a decent deal on the iPhone 11 back in October. Now I use it and I’m very happy with it. Wow phones to crash, it isn’t too hard to get a new one if you can work out a deal with your carrier as I did with T-Mobile.
You can do just about everything with the iPhone and the android phone using Siri, Google assistant and some form of dictation. Yes, the iPhone and the android phone is a very convenient pocket computer that will enable you to do so much in your daily life that you will not believe it! It is well worth the investment and the time it takes to learn.
Blessings,
Victor
On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:08 AM, james f hooper <james_hooper@earthlink.net> wrote:
Greetings holly I tried writing off list couldn't figure out how or what
command to use, wanted to talk with you about your hearing aids, I was
just diagnosed Tuesday with a severe hearing loss and need to look in to
getting hearing aids.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Holly
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Gerald:
I have blue tooth hearing aids from Costco that are compatible with my
iPhone. They cost $1400 a pair and work great.
Also, with dictation and Siri you can do almost everything hands free.
Unfortunately, I don't think any amount of useful information the list
members offer you would convince you, as you are just closed minded on the
subject.
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Just hang in there, you may not ever set any sort
of speed record using this keyboard, but with practice you
should be able to get quite comfortable with it. Like you, when
I first started using smart phones I was scared to death of
touch screens. I finally decided one day that I was going to
take the plunge and I haven't looked back even once since I
did. One thing to consider though is that some folks may have
limited use of their fingers which would make using these
devices a great challenge<SMILE!>. I guess I am a bit of
a rebel since I like as well as enjoy a good challenge! Without
some challenges in our lives life would be very boring! Have A
Good 1! de
<wohlggie@...><KF8LT><Jim
Wohlgamuth>.
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On 21-Feb-20 12:01, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Chris,
I was initially scared of the touch screen keyboard. But I kept
trying and trying and I've gotten pretty good at it as well. I am
not very fast with it, but I m very accurate. I learned the method
of editing by using the rotor to move around in a text field by
word and character and then to edit mistakes.
I would say it takes me about a half an hour to write a 250 word
message.
I am wondering if you have been able to develop any real speed.
Sighted people have the advantage of the suggestions list--where
in if you are typing along, the words are anticipated and they
appear and can be selected by tapping on them before the need to
type the whole word. I have not mastered that feature. Is there
any way a blind person can take advantage of the suggestions list.
On 2/21/2020 5:21 AM, chris judge
wrote:
I find the on-screen keyboard fine
now. What made it so was practice, practice, practice.
I wish there were some good tutorials
for learning the on screen keyboard so that more of us
could type on that keyboard as easily as sighted people
do. I know of an app called talking Taiper, but it has not
been updated in over a year. It might not be a very good
tutorial anymore and it might not be compatible with iOS
13. But if you know braille, braille screen input is a
very good way to use your on screen keyboard. Especially
if you have one of the larger iPhones such as the iPhone 7
Plus or later.
On Feb 20, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Jim
Wohlgamuth <wohlggie@...>
wrote:
Hi There Again!
When I received my first Iphone I purchased a
blue tooth keyboard expecting to have issues with
the onscreen keyboard. After about a month to month
and a half I found myself using the external
keyboard less and less. I do wish there was a blue
tooth keyboard with a numberpad so when I wish to
enter a string of numbers I could do it much
easier. Good Luck and Have A Good 1! de
<wohlggie@...><KF8LT><Jim
Wohlgamuth>.
On 20-Feb-20 18:19, Victor wrote:
The one thing I have not
mastered on touchscreens is using the on-screen
keyboard well. However, I work around that by
using braille screen input and dictation. But
again, those who have dexterity issues and finger
sensitivity issues may have trouble using a
touchscreen.
For those who have lost
their eyesight later in life, I can totally
understand why they might have trouble using
touch screens. They may have a deck stair
ready issues and finger sensitivity issues
that those of us who have been blind since
birth or since we were very young do not
have. Therefore, I can certainly see the
exceptions to what we are talking about. In
these cases, maybe a flip phone would be
best.
On Feb 20, 2020, at
12:37 PM, Jim Wohlgamuth via Groups.Io <wohlggie@...>
wrote:
Hello Jerald!
Wonder what you base you
conclusions on? I personally know
quite a number of totally blind iPhone
users and I personally have owned 6 or
7 touch screen phones and know of a
fairly large number of other totally
blind Androind users. So wonder if
you actually took any sort of poll
-scientific or other wise to come up
with your conclusions..? Yes, I had a
small amount of sighted help in
getting my first iphone setup and a
bit more in getting my Android setup
but using a touch screen device is far
from being difficult for the folks
that I know as well as don't know.
To answer your question as to how
a totally blind or partially sighted
person uses the touch screens, we use
our fingers to navigate around the
screen and locate the various items
that we wish to activate and then
double tap them to activate them.
Yes, my first touch screen was a bit
of a challenge but now I would rather
have a touch screen phone than a
physical key board. I do use blue
tooth keyboards with my various touch
screen devices but that is more out of
convenience rather than necessity. Of
course I have always been a very
inquisitive indevisual. Just my
thoughts! Catch Ya later! de
<wohlggie@...><KF8LT><Jim
Wohlgamuth>.
On 20-Feb-20 10:01,
Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers
who use smart phones that are
completely devoid of tactile buttons
are not really "blind" at all, but
visually impaired and retain some
funtional vision to navigate around a
touchscreen. Those who are totally
blind and purport to use a touchscreen
smart phone probably had a lot of
sighted help. Which is why smart
phones with tactile keypads like the
BlindShell and Smart Vision have been
introduced. So I'm looking forward to
hearing about the experiences of a
totally blind consumer using the new
Samsung smart flip phone.
Gerald
On 2/20/2020 9:41
AM, Gene wrote:
Your
statement about buttons is
inaccurate based on discussions
I've seen on this topic before.
Most smart phones already had
very few buttons, and, as for
the elimination of the home
button on the I-Phone, while I
can't speak from personal
experience, I've seen enough
comments on lists like this that
the button's elimination doesn't
mean blind people can't use the
phone. Evidently, the screen
simulates the presence of a
button by vibrating. I'm not
saying I definitely understand
the situation and I await other
comments but how many people
have you seen say they stopped
using an I-Phone because of
elimination of the home button?
You often
state the worst case
interpretation of situations.
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According to Consumer Reports, this
Samsung smart flip phone employs a
new touchscreen technology that
allows it to be thin and flexible
enough to be folded in half like a
wallet. But in tests, it proved to
be very fragile, and CR did not
recommend it, especially in view of
its very high price tag. And it
would probably not be a good choice
for a blind consumer because even
unfolded the touchscreen is
relatively small and has no tactile
buttons. This seems to be a growing
trend in smart phones: eliminating
all physical buttons, making it
virtually impossible for a blind
consumer to use the phone without
some sighted help or a lot of
hands-on training.
Gerald
On 2/19/2020
9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:
I heard
about a phone like you're
describing just the other day
and I think they said that
Samsung was the company
producing it. From the way
the guy was describing the way
it works, it sounds like it'll
be a really cool phone, but
for $1300 it damn well otta
be! LOL LOL Check out the
link below for a review.
Take care.
Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
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Hi, all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going
to trade in his old flip phone
soon.
He said he saw something on TV
advertising a smart flip phone, he
means
a phone with the same body style
as a feature flip phone but with
the
capability of a modern iPhone or
Android Smart phone. I haven't
heard
anything about this. Does anyone
here have any info about this type
of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier,
etc?
TIA
Lisa
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James: Here is a link with info about the Costco hearing aids. It will give you a good overview of the features, etc. Don't hesitate to ask me anything else. https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl
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I love my iPhone 11 and I use it for everything everywhere.
Yes, iPhones do crash. My iPhone 7 Plus that I had for two years crashed last summer. Fortunately, I was able to get a decent deal on the iPhone 11 back in October. Now I use it and I’m very happy with it. Wow phones to crash, it isn’t too hard to get a new one if you can work out a deal with your carrier as I did with T-Mobile.
You can do just about everything with the iPhone and the android phone using Siri, Google assistant and some form of dictation. Yes, the iPhone and the android phone is a very convenient pocket computer that will enable you to do so much in your daily life that you will not believe it! It is well worth the investment and the time it takes to learn.
Blessings,
Victor
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Greetings holly I tried writing off list couldn't figure out how or what
command to use, wanted to talk with you about your hearing aids, I was
just diagnosed Tuesday with a severe hearing loss and need to look in to
getting hearing aids.
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Gerald:
I have blue tooth hearing aids from Costco that are compatible with my
iPhone. They cost $1400 a pair and work great.
Also, with dictation and Siri you can do almost everything hands free.
Unfortunately, I don't think any amount of useful information the list
members offer you would convince you, as you are just closed minded on the
subject.
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James:
You can write me off list at feyk7@comcast.net.
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Which is great if you live near a Costco with an audiology department. But unfortunately, I don't,and would have to buy them from a private audiologist. And I am not comfortable buying a refurbed IPhone online, which would still cost a few hundred dollars, because if I have trouble with it, who would I turn to for help? So between a new IPhone, which would cost about $1000, plus another $1000 for the cost of one yearof service, and a pair of blutoot hearing aids to go with it, which could cost as much as $8000 or more, the total cost could come close to ten grand. Yikes! This topic has been discussed extensively on the Blind Hearing Aid Users list.
Gerald
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On 2/21/2020 12:53 PM, Holly wrote: Gerald:
I have blue tooth hearing aids from Costco that are compatible with my iPhone. They cost $1400 a pair and work great.
Also, with dictation and Siri you can do almost everything hands free.
Unfortunately, I don't think any amount of useful information the list members offer you would convince you, as you are just closed minded on the subject.
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You got an iPhone in 1013? boy are you old ..and so is your phone.
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On 2/21/2020 10:04 AM, jan howells via Groups.Io wrote: I have been using ios since 2012. My brother bought me my very first iPod Touch, Then in 1013, he bought me an iPad mini. He just bought me an iPad mini 4. I love the books by Larry Lewis that National Braille Press has. Thez have helped tremendously. I think that he is the direcjor of flying blind.
Jan
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james f hooper <james_hooper@...>
Greetings holly I tried writing off list couldn't figure out how or what
command to use, wanted to talk with you about your hearing aids, I was
just diagnosed Tuesday with a severe hearing loss and need to look in to
getting hearing aids.
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Holly
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Gerald:
I have blue tooth hearing aids from Costco that are compatible with my
iPhone. They cost $1400 a pair and work great.
Also, with dictation and Siri you can do almost everything hands free.
Unfortunately, I don't think any amount of useful information the list
members offer you would convince you, as you are just closed minded on the
subject.
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