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Re: bookshare question.
Norma A. Boge
Hi Penny, are you asking if you can read DAISY books on a refreshable braille device? I do this with my Apex, I just put the .zip file on the Apex and unzip it and I can read it in the Apex book reader. Apologies if I'm not understanding your question. I am a frequent user of and long-time Bookshare member so please ask again if I'm not getting what you're looking for. Thanks, Norma
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Penny Golden Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 11:21 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: [TechTalk] bookshare question. Say, I used to get all my books from bookshare in BRF format. Now, it is so much easier to download them using the victor stream. But I really prefer to have them under my hands at times. Is there a file in those bookshare daisy books that is the plain text of the book? I don't need daisy. I seem to remember that you can go into the daisy folder, find the file and extracting it, put it on your braille device, if you so desire. But I forget the file I'm supposed to look for. Thanks to anyone who can set me straighter. Penny
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Re: bookshare question.
Penny Golden
Yes, that's right; lots of smils, but the file one looks for is not a txt. I mean, it is in text, but the extension is not txt.
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Get it? It seems to me that a friend used to extract the right file, rename it, and it worked fine on my braille devices, which turn the text into braille as the file opens. Best, Penny.
On 2/8/2020 11:26 AM, Monte Single wrote:
Well, I do not have the answer, but it is a great question?
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Re: bookshare question.
Monte Single
Well, I do not have the answer, but it is a great question?
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I have looked at the files in a daisy book folder but I do not recall seeing .txt files; lots of smils.
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Penny Golden Sent: February-08-20 11:21 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: [TechTalk] bookshare question. Say, I used to get all my books from bookshare in BRF format. Now, it is so much easier to download them using the victor stream. But I really prefer to have them under my hands at times. Is there a file in those bookshare daisy books that is the plain text of the book? I don't need daisy. I seem to remember that you can go into the daisy folder, find the file and extracting it, put it on your braille device, if you so desire. But I forget the file I'm supposed to look for. Thanks to anyone who can set me straighter. Penny
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bookshare question.
Penny Golden
Say, I used to get all my books from bookshare in BRF format. Now, it is so much easier to download them using the victor stream.
But I really prefer to have them under my hands at times. Is there a file in those bookshare daisy books that is the plain text of the book? I don't need daisy. I seem to remember that you can go into the daisy folder, find the file and extracting it, put it on your braille device, if you so desire. But I forget the file I'm supposed to look for. Thanks to anyone who can set me straighter. Penny
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Re: Two outlook problems!
Gene
Or you could down arrow through items until you
find it. But from what you say, up arrow is much faster to get
there.
Gene
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From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2020 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Two outlook problems! -----Original Message----- From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 12:40 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Two outlook problems! That isn't the case. I'm not just saying that to disagree with you. I'm discussing it because others are likely following the thread as well. Things may be in something you have to open, but everything you can reach with a shortcut key sequence in the ribbons, you can reach in the ribbons themselves. Some things may be in menus or dialogs or perhaps something else you open from a ribbon. In the case of options, I have Word 10 starter. If I open the home ribbon, then left arrow once, I am on a menu button. If I open the menu and down arrow, I find options. If I open the menu with alt f and down arrow, I find options. Its just a different way of opening the menu. The sequence is alt f t. Gene ------ Original Message ----- From: Nancy Shackelford <mailto:n.k.nancelady@...> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 10:32 PM To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Two outlook problems! I did look in the File menu itself and there was no Options. Many things don't show up in the ribbons unless you know the hot key. Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
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Re: Two outlook problems!
Carolyn Arnold
Right. In my File menu, Alt+f, Up Arrow - there's Options.
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 12:40 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Two outlook problems! That isn't the case. I'm not just saying that to disagree with you. I'm discussing it because others are likely following the thread as well. Things may be in something you have to open, but everything you can reach with a shortcut key sequence in the ribbons, you can reach in the ribbons themselves. Some things may be in menus or dialogs or perhaps something else you open from a ribbon. In the case of options, I have Word 10 starter. If I open the home ribbon, then left arrow once, I am on a menu button. If I open the menu and down arrow, I find options. If I open the menu with alt f and down arrow, I find options. Its just a different way of opening the menu. The sequence is alt f t. Gene ------ Original Message ----- From: Nancy Shackelford <mailto:n.k.nancelady@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 10:32 PM To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Two outlook problems! I did look in the File menu itself and there was no Options. Many things don't show up in the ribbons unless you know the hot key. Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
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Re: Two outlook problems!
Gene
That isn't the case. I'm not just saying that
to disagree with you. I'm discussing it because others are likely
following the thread as well. Things may be in something you have to open,
but everything you can reach with a shortcut key sequence in the ribbons, you
can reach in the ribbons themselves. Some things may be in menus or
dialogs or perhaps something else you open from a ribbon.
In the case of options, I have Word 10
starter. If I open the home ribbon, then left arrow once, I am on a menu
button. If I open the menu and down arrow, I find options.
If I open the menu with alt f and down arrow, I
find options. Its just a different way of opening the menu. The
sequence is alt f t.
Gene
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From: Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Two outlook problems! things don't show up in the ribbons unless you know the hot key. Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
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Re: Two outlook problems!
Nancy Shackelford
I did look in the File menu itself and there was no Options. Many
things don't show up in the ribbons unless you know the hot key. Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
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Uber/lift group
joseph hudson <jhud7789@...>
Hello everyone, on another group that I'm a part of, somebody was looking for an Uber/lift group. I don't think we have one over here on Groups..IO so I went ahead and created one. If anyone wishes to join, please use the following email address. All you have to do is send a blank email.
Uber-Lyft+subscribe@groups.io
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Re: mesh systems
DJ
we have been using the Netgear system for a couple of years. It is quite excellent coverage and speed wise. It is also very accessible via web interface and the iOS app. I very very highly recommend it. You will not be disappointed.
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 9:11 AM David Mehler <dave.mehler@...> wrote: Hello,
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Re: Two outlook problems!
Carolyn Arnold
Then it will be in the Mail Tab. That was why I said Alt+F+T+M.
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 8:16 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Two outlook problems! Hi. If using outlook 2016, press altF followed by the letter t to get to the options. I can't say for sure with other versions as I haven't seen them in so long. -----Original Message----- From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy Shackelford Sent: February 7, 2020 7:53 AM To: main@techtalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Two outlook problems! I did get my problems fixed, but there is no Options under the File ribbon. Don't know where that is. That would probably be where I can set up my signature, the location of which I cannot find! Thanks, Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
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Re: Two outlook problems!
Carolyn Arnold
It is, and the keystrokes for the tab for signature (and you'll be sorry) is:
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Alt+F+T+M.
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Shackelford Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 6:53 AM To: main@techtalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Two outlook problems! I did get my problems fixed, but there is no Options under the File ribbon. Don't know where that is. That would probably be where I can set up my signature, the location of which I cannot find! Thanks, Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
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removing data from facebook
heather albright
Hay, I know it was discussed like a year ago but, can someone please tell me the correct steps for obtaining my data and closing my facebook account for good! Also how do I be come for gotten again! Thanks cheers Heather
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Re: blind programmers group
Kerryn Gunness
this is stress
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do u have an email to subscribe?
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From: "Rayn Darren" <rayndarren@gmail.com> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io> Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] blind programmers group I had the same issue, had to do it a few times before it accepted me.
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Scrip Talk mobile app.
Barb O'Connor
Good afternoon listers. Sorry for the cross post but I wanted to get this at least to these two lists. I hope it will go through this way.
Some of you may have already gone to the app store to update the Scrip Talk mobile app from InVision America. When you go to update it, however, it says that the app has been removed from the App Store by the developer. I called InVision America and they did say that this was the case. They hope to get it back in the App Store sometime next week, but, the apps we still have on our phone should still work. The update apparently was going to fix the scan feature and some other issue that some people were having. Just wanted all of you to know what happened. Barb
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Re: which one to try?
Jim Ruby
I would go for the dexcom, it is accessible. My gf has one and I can
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use her app just fine and I use the sharing app and that works fine too.
On 1/31/20, Kay Malmquist <kay.malmquist@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
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Re: Jaws 2018 and firefox
Gene
I'm not sure what changes may have been made in
that version of Firefox that would cause that message. Were you using an
old version of Firefox before or the previous version?
This message was displayed by JAWS when Firefox
Quantum came out before JAWS was modified so it would work with Firefox
again. You probably have only two choices, other than using an old
version, which is a bad idea.
Either use NVDA when using Firefox or use something
like Chrome.
Gene
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From: David Mehler
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 8:06 AM
To: techtalk
Subject: [TechTalk] Jaws 2018 and firefox I've got a question. I'm running jaws 2018 and just installed firefox 72.0.1. When I try to open it I'm getting a message that tabbed browsing is disabled due to incompatibilities between firefox and my screen reader. Is this a known issue with these two software packages and short of an upgrade which isn't going to happen for at least a year, is there a fix, a downgrade is also not possible? Thanks. Dave.
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Re: Signature in outlook
Gene
That confuses the issue. Alt h opens the home menu. By left
arrowing, you are moving to the menu. Just as you can left and right arrow
to move through the ribbons, home, view, whatever ribbons are in a specific
program, you will also get to the menu if you do that, But using alt f is
the shortcut. Also, any ribbon program I've seen displays the menu option
as a button when you move to it in this way. You must press the space bar
or enter on that button and you can then down arrow through the menu.
If you are tabbing through a ribbon, you will get to the end of the ribbon
and you will tab to the menu button and certain other items that are always
there, regardless of which ribbon you are moving through. they are
commands you may want to use no matter what ribbon you are working with, such as
the menu button.
An important reason people have problems with ribbons is because they
aren't taught properly. Below my signature, is my ribbon tutorial.
Gene
I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote years ago of how to
work with ribbons.
I've added a little to it here.
I don't know how the organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10 but
this description should allow you to look through the Windows ribbons, or any
other ribbons, and see how things are organized.
First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows that you
need to know about-- the split button.
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action. Let's take an example. Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows. If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down. That is the default action. Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow. As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open. the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others. You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list. the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus. So, let's review. You find a split button that says shut down.
If you press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other
options may be displayed. Or if you down arrow, other options may be
displayed. A split button won't work with both methods. One method,
either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done with the
button. Try both methods if you don't know which one might work. If
you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from left to right, down
arrowing will open additional options. If you think about this, it makes
sense. If you are in a menu, down arrowing will move you to the next item
in the menu. So you right arrow on the split button to cause it to display
more options. In a tool bar that extends across the screen from left to
right, right arrowing will move you to the next item in the tool bar. So
you down arrow when on the split button to cause it to display more
options. But some tool bars run up and down the screen, as menus do.
And at times, you may not be sure which way a structure extends on screen.
So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't know, try both methods of causing
the split button to display more options. Often, one of them will work. If
you open the options a split button offers and don't want to work with them,
arrow in the opposite direction to move out of them. For example, if you
right arrowed to open more options, left arrow.
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow. In that case, open them with alt down arrow. Then tab through the additional options. I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it. Now, to ribbons themselves.
Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted if
you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands effectively and
efficiently. and I would strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual
menus, no matter what the JAWS training material says about ribbons being
difficult to use. the training material is just plain wrong and using
virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader.
There are other disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here.
Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad.
Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their machine. Wordpad provides a
good environment to look at and practice working with ribbons.
The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon. You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc. To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons. Move in one direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus. For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move with
the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can keep right
arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish. You can move
through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can move with the left
arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite direction.
Stop on view. Then start tabbing. You will move through all
items in what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon.
In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to
it. Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you
backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons. Use either the space bar
or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a menu and if
you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.
Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to work
with that item.
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't. To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab. If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert. Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert
tab. You will hear some extraneous information. The last thing you
will hear is the short cut sequence. You can repeat the information by
repeating the command as often as you want.
Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu.
Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons. You
can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press alt
once. Now, open the ribbons again with alt.
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu. You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid. Never mind drop down grid. It's a description you don't have to worry about. The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu. Press enter or the space bar to activate the button. Activating the button opens the menu. Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action. When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f. When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced. for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a. that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a. Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as. Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it. Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there. By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu. Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure some
more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt. Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu. You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter. So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon. Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc. Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon. Shift tab to move back through the items. So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab. for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond. You may hear this announced as respond tool bar. As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category. When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken. You will miss the first command in the category if you do. I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon. there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu. So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly. As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items. You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through. Move to a ribbon in Wordpad. For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view. Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back. When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing. Of course, you can shift tab to move back. Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized by
moving through it.
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category. Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are
mostly retained in programs that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program. Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work.
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Re: Signature in outlook
Gene
You never tab to move through a menu. You are
tabbing through one of the ribbons. There is an actual menu and alt f,
which opens the menu followed by the letter t, t is the shortcut in the menu
that will either open options or move you to it,
It is important not to confuse menus with
ribbons. You tab through ribbons. You use the up and down arrows to
move through menus.
Gene
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From: Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 7:23 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Signature in outlook If you just tab through the file menu, you don't see Options, but hitting Alt-F then T does bring up the options, so I just fixed my signature. Thanks for the offer. I am using Outlook 2013, but I'm going to upgrade soon. Thanks again, Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
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Re: Two outlook problems!
Gene
All ribbon programs have one menu which you open
with alt f. To familiarize yourself with a ribbon program, look at that
menu, not just at the ribbons. I don't use Outlook but what you are
looking for is probably there.
Gene
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From: Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Two outlook problems! ribbon. Don't know where that is. That would probably be where I can set up my signature, the location of which I cannot find! Thanks, Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
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